Dr Duke & Eric Striker: By Defiance to Z.O.G. Ilhan Omar is NOW the most important Member of the US Congress! https://t.co/R4d4X81xdv pic.twitter.com/C083V57VQp
— David Duke (@DrDavidDuke) March 7, 2019
David Duke is a former member of the American Nazi Party and a former Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. Ladies and gentleman, your new Democrat Party.
“Z.O.G.” is “Zionist Occupation Government,” i.e., an implied endorsement of genocide of Israelis.
Ashley says
Absolutely revolting.
Bill says
I second that…
mortimer says
The Dems haven’t been this crazy since we took away their slaves.
gravenimage says
+1
TruthHonestReality says
I was thinking since the Democraps committed the Trail of Tears.
Lauren Hermann says
Quite eloquently stated, mortimer.
Couldn’t have said it better.
Frederick King says
There are between 5-7000 KKK members. Less than 1000 nazis in America. How many islamist , al kabab supporters in Dearborn , or wherever the jihadist congress thing was voted in ? Why did she rty to get the somalis terrorists’ prison sentences lowered ?
Clarence LaFuentes II says
The same that dr. Duke Spokeo are the ones that print the money run the banks the mortgages all the Commerce which goes back to slavery because they helped start the slave trade they always manage to get all the people pay to do it and make it look like say I’m turning on a light on a their Sabbath on a Saturday and because I consider to work a little too strange of the law but they’re the ones in charge of immigration this is been since the thirties are in charge of the military and that’s why we had his Wars about design.
I believe it seems like the greater Israel plan my emigrating people and that area out I guess makes way for you know Zion is to move in and there’s a clash of cultures you might say like a War of the Worlds because whenever an area has a majority. Going to try to influence that majority as it is when I’ll have separate police forces in New York City where is we are aware Unity laws that should apply decent laws no it’s grotesque is in a beer the barbarity comes back about I guess that’ll be when it wakes people to see what we need to not have.
Elizabeth Baklaich says
Oh look, the Nazis are working their old buddies again. Hitler and the Mufti would be proud…
Jule Bacal says
So many people do not know this.
gravenimage says
So true.
Many naive fools think that Omar is a “progressive”.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“Tommy Robinson facing 2 years in jail for contempt of court”
https://www.rt.com/uk/453268-tommy-robinson-new-contempt-trial/
gravenimage says
Appalling, Flavius–especially considering what happened to Tommy Robinson when he was last unjustly jailed.
CogitoErgoSum says
Sugar draws flies but so does something else.
somehistory says
CogitoErgoSum
Within seconds of an animal…human or otherwise…dying, blowflies arrive to lay their eggs…unless the death happens in the dark.
This ‘death’ is happening in the light of day…for the whole world to see and the flies to smell.
CogitoErgoSum says
Yes, I’m afraid the dead carcass of the Democratic Party will bring forth an infestation of many maggots.
Charles says
Let’s see how the SPLC deals with this. Criticism of Ilhan Omar will be construed as Islamophobic, misogynistic, and racist. That’s a full triple, versus “antisemitic”, which is a single. In the game of identity politics she comes out the winner. As a scorned straight white male, I have zero points, so I could never even play. Ilhan Omar is the face of the democratic party.
mummymovie says
In a sense, Duke is correct:
Currently, she IS the most important member of Congress… especially to Hamas-linked CAIR, the Muslim Brotherhood, and the OIC.
She is the conduit for the implementation of sharia law into U.S. policy and Government. This is the golden chalice for these pro-hijra / jihadist groups, and has been for decades.
And it will be very difficult for any patriotic and/or sane lawmakers to oppose this resolution: They can then be branded as anti-Semitic for not signing the “Resolution Condemning Anti-Semitism”!
Ultimately, those getting to throw the stones and do the branding, ironically, will the very anti-Semites in islam and the Democrats on the Left who generated the perceived need for this resolution in the first place!!!
The true anti-Semites will then get to grandstand, and cast themselves as heroes defending Jews from the “far-right bigots” in Congress who refused to sign the resolution.
See how this trick works?
Elizabeth Baklaich says
Yuck…
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“Denmark police prosecute 14 over sharing Morocco hikers ‘murder video'”
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/denmark-police-prosecute-14-over-sharing-morocco-hikers-132334746.html
del says
duke uses Z.O.G. as an imagined Jewish clique supposedly controlling the US. He isn’t referring to Israel here, although as a KKK/Nazi/Democrat, he does hate anything and everything which he believes is connected to Jews, both in the US and abroad, including Israel.
gravenimage says
You are right, Del–I was assuming most here at Jihad Watch would know this, but many may not be familiar with this unhinged conspiracy theory:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_Occupation_Government_conspiracy_theory
Indiana Tom says
duke uses Z.O.G. as an imagined Jewish clique supposedly controlling the US.
Well, he has the right idea of a clique controlling the US, but it is an equal opportunity organization with much diversity and collusion.
revereridesagain says
David Duke continues to resist accepting his own irrelevancy.
gravenimage says
Nazi KKK leader David Duke: “By Defiance to Z.O.G. Ilhan Omar is NOW the most important Member of the US Congress!”
……………………….
She must feel so proud.
And this is pretty much the only time that Nazis and the Klan will embrace a Black woman and send her heart emojis–when she hates Jews as much as they do. *Ugh*.
Wellington says
Very strange bed fellows indeed, gravenimage. Well, with warped ideologies no inconsistency is too improbable. Hitler actually had to make an exception for the Japanese with whom he was allied and referred to them as “honorary Aryans.” Perhaps Duke will make Omar an “honorary KKK member.”
gravenimage says
True, Wellington. And don’t forget how lovey-lovey Hitler was with Muslims–even though he technically considered Arabs to be racially inferior.
And while pious Muslims hate all Infidels, they so often make an exception for Hitler, whom most of them admire and consider a role model.
Wellington says
I believe, gravenimage, if a fair and accurate poll could be taken worldwide of Muslims respecting which non-Muslim Mohammedans most admire, Hitler would come out on top.
Indiana Tom says
Hitler was actually very popular in North Africa during WW2. American GI s noted the Muslims were just wild about him. The Arabs had all sorts of Nazi souvenirs and memorabilia.
gravenimage says
Grimly true, Wellington and Indiana Tom.
Reziac says
Hitler also said that European whites were weak and should be replaced by strong Arab barbarians. Where have we heard that before??
gravenimage says
Reziac wrote:
Hitler also said that European whites were weak and should be replaced by strong Arab barbarians.
………………
No, he didn’t.
He said he admired Islam and considered Christianity to be “weak and flabby”.
But Hitler was a racist–he considered Arabs to be inferior.
What he said was that if Islam had reached all of Europe that Muslim Germans would have conquered the continent.
Brian hoff says
In ww2 many black solider from africa and former germany colonies in africa durning ww1 sidely with germany and many move to germany. There where afew black in the Nazie Party and in the SS.
gravenimage says
The small Black population was actually severely persecuted in Germany, since they were held by the Nazis to be racially inferior. Many lost their passports, were fired from their jobs (especially in entertainment and the arts), and had their marriages to white Germans annulled. Some were forcibly sterilized. Black children–along with Jews and Gypsies–were barred from schools in 1941. They were subject to forced labor. Some Blacks were also victims of the Holocaust.
Despite this, there *were* some Blacks in Africa who fought for the Nazis–most notably those with the “Free Arabian Legion”. Almost all of those involved were, of course, Muslims–mostly from the Middle East and North Africa, but including Black Africans from the Sahel and sub-Saharan Africa.
Here’s one notorious picture from Greece:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Arabian_Legion#/media/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-177-1465-16,_Griechenland,_Soldaten_der_%22Legion_Freies_Arabien%22.jpg
I can find no record of Black Nazi Party members.
By the way, “Brian hoff”–really, “DefenderofIslam”–often gets excited about references to the Nazis. Very telling.
Tom W Harris says
Learn some basic English and get back to us, Doofie.
Demsci says
At work I had a Guinean (black) Muslim, raised in Holland, and by all accounts a respectable and respectful young man, who ……
He examined the news and wanted to discuss matters. He had a very negative view of the Jews. Maintaining that Hitler and Nazi Germany were not so bad etc. One day he showed me an article called: “What the Jews did to Germany” ! evidently embracing its conclusions, with its ridiculous arguments. This article he found on the neo nazi website of “Stormfront”. When I pointed out how Nazi;’s thought about blacks, I doubt if it registered with him.
gravenimage says
Thanks for that account, Demsci. I’m afraid it does not surprise.
CRUSADER says
How is Eric Striker relevant?
gravenimage says
His allying with this Muslim antisemite is very telling, no?
Wellington says
Fitting since the KKK and Islam have so much in common. Both need a “them” to despise which is deficient and deserving of second-class status (or even death), chiefly blacks (but there are others like Jews) in the case of the KKK, and of course non-Muslims, and especially Jews, in the case of Islam. Neither has adopted a Golden Rule for all. Both are enemies of true freedom. Each has a real problem with equality under the law. Both don’t have a clue about what America stands for at its best—or Western Civilization for that matter. Both are incapable of tolerating any criticism. And neither has the capacity to apologize for any wrongdoing, even though both have so much to apologize for.
Ah, it’s a long list and I have just provided a sampling here. And here is a beautiful thought: That someday Islam will become as marginalized and ostracized as the KKK has become. Oh yeah, what a boon mankind were this to occur.
Anyway, Omar and Duke—perfect together. And perhaps some schadenfreude is in order here too since the Democrats have tried to paint the Republicans as sympathetic to KKK positions (which I vigorously contend is a rotten lie) and now we have Duke of the KKK quite supportive of a wretched member of Congress, one Omar by name, who is a Democrat. Delicious.
Demsci says
Yes, very inspiring, Wellington. If only we could get such a message across to a majority of voters. As the fact that Enlightenment/ democratic nations came a thousand years after Islam and are in a way a rebellion against Islam too. In contrast with the view that somehow Muslims now are in some New revolt against “some Western culture”. No, in my view the Muslims represent the old tyrants.
Islam is lacking that all Important Golden Rule, which is so central in Enlightenment/ Democratic theory/ tenets. And I like to juxtapose Islam to that theory/ these tenets. It is in my approach to Muslims and leftists who pay lipservice to (protection of) democracy. So far, the response by Muslims is contempt for democracy or downplaying of the efficacy of it.
On KKK and republicans; yes, Wellington; Angela Rye, who decries and in confrontations ignores Ann Coulter as a bigot for criticizing Islam, on CNN did actually compare MAGA hats to KKK white hoods, saying they upset her in equal measure! This was during the Covington kids controversy. We now see how absurd this is!
thebigW says
“chiefly blacks (but there are others like Jews) in the case of the KKK, ”
KKK hates Jews most of all. A grand Dragon told Howard Stern when he asked him who do you hate the most? said Jews are the worst, because they’re demonic and trying to destroy the world, Catholics are second worst for I guess similar reasons, and blacks are just animals that need to be put down.
FYI says
nazism;a violently antisemitic {secular} supremacist ideology influenced by the personality cult of a false {secular} messiah-“prophet”,hitler.
The lie of a superior race.Superior to the “Untermenschen”
Propagated through war,violence,falsehoods
islam: a violently antisemitic {religious} supremacist ideology influenced by the personality cult of a false {religious} messiah-“prophet”,muhammad.
The lie of a superior religion.Superior to the “kuffar”
Propagated through jihad,violence,falsehoods.
No wonder they are attracted to each other!
islam,like nazism, also has an official Genocidal policy towards the Jews:
SAHIH MUSLIM # 6985
Communists too, find some attraction to islam as it is a religious way to control,enslave and manipulate people.
gravenimage says
Nazi KKK leader David Duke: “By Defiance to Z.O.G. Ilhan Omar is NOW the most important Member of the US Congress!”
………………..
Will Omar disavow her Nazi and Klan fans? I wouldn’t count on it…
mummymovie says
Regarding her importance, it depends to whom:
Omar is the infiltrating agent and embedded host organism for the implementation of sharia law into U.S. policy and Government.
That is pretty damn important to the forces of global jihad.
somehistory says
In the recent past, moslims have had assistance in their attempts to bring annihilation to the nation of Israel and Jews wherever they may be. hitler was a willing participant.
There are more of those people…hitlerites…helping moslims in this present day to bring annihilation to the nation of Israel and Jews wherever they may live. But, just as evil adolf included others in his decrees of death, and moslims willingly went along with him, the same thing is happening today.
moslims hate. How the “house’ will eliminate hate will be something to watch…and see them fail. moslims hate Jews and Christians. hitler hated Jews and some who identified with Christianity. Christianity is hated by a lot of people who are friendly to the idea of islam and helpful to moslims.
omar is the hideous face representing the hatred of Jews and Christians. And she is grinning in her evil and sickening way. But how will those who condemn the KKK…even though they would wear the robes if convenient for them…reconcile duke’s endorsement of omar? They won’t be able to, but as long as they can lie and twist the facts, they’ll keep trying. Trying the lying.
lebel says
Can someone find all the good words David Duke had about Donald Trump? no? why not?
Oh right, it’s not the same when its for our guy. Logic only works one way.
Here’s one, lots more if you bother to google (no one gives a shit of course):
““I [sic] my lifetime I have never seen such a courageous attack on the whole of the ZOG, the Zionist Occupied Government of the United States and the Zionist Occupied Media!” Duke tweeted in July. “Today Trump is a Hero! Trump is no Jesus but they hate him as much!!!!!!”
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/403210-david-duke-praises-trump-for-tweet-about-large-scale-killing-of-white
Wellington says
Oh, lebel, this is even beneath you, difficult as that is to achieve, but you “managed” it. You should be deeply ashamed of yourself—but you won’t be.
In the link you provided, Trump quite correctly and humanely criticized the targeting of whites in South Africa simply because they are white.
And you actually used this as an example of Trump being deficient? No, lebel, you have once again demonstrated how truly deficient you are. And deceptive—yeah, egregiously so.
And just because a hater like David Duke may on some occasion back a decent man like Trump means NOTHING. Haters can occasionally back good people. Thus in such instances, this is of zero significance.
Really, lebel, you just sink more and more the more you post here at JW. But keep posting here at JW because, as is the case with ALL who attempt to defend Islam, they invariably shoot themselves in the foot, as you just did.
Raja says
Wellington, Your reply to Lebel is apt to say the least.
Historiccally, we have had so many “allies” across board especially for war.
War mongering pious Muslims and Sharia fans loved their ally Hilter. (Islam it seems was always for downfall of West and all civilizations), West allied with evil Stalin for WW-2 and the list is endless.
Mere comments of praise do no change the DNA of a person. more so with Duke.
Raja says
Wellington, Your reply to Lebel is apt to say the least.
Historically, we have had so many “allies” across board especially for war.
War mongering pious Muslims and Sharia fans loved their ally Hilter. (Islam it seems was always for downfall of West and all civilizations), West allied with evil Stalin for WW-2 and the list is endless.
Mere comments of praise do no change the DNA of a person. more so with Duke.
lebel says
“And you actually used this as an example of Trump being deficient? No, lebel, you have once again demonstrated how truly deficient you are. And deceptive—yeah, egregiously so.”
Nope that is your strawman. The problem is that a horrible person like Duke has endorsed Omar. That is it, that is all that RS has. Why then the lack of outrage when Duke has publically praised Trump including over Charlottesville? because Trump is our guy (or rather your guy) in that he’s standing up to Islam etc.. That’s it. It’s called a double standard. It’s also ludicrous to now reduce the Democratic party to this tweet but that’s what RS did and not a peep out of you.
On a related matter your comprehension skills are slipping I’m sorry to say. More and more I feel like I’m talking to GI, which makes sense I guess.
Demsci says
Yes, I saw your point, lebel. As I see it; there is Islam and there are specific Muslims that are the defendants in sort of trial here. For their theology and words and deeds or lack thereof.
I am so bold as to describe Robert Spencer as “prosecutor”, “district attorney” and by that token, yes, he IS prejudiced. It is his role. Granted that a part of JW posters are firmly in his team, so also on the offense against Islam and specific Muslims. An offense that you understandably view as showing double standards, because you expect RS and allies to make an effort to appear unpartial.
The Muslims themselves, the leftists and the mainstream media and quite a few celebraties act, in my view, in practice, as defenders of Islam. Now we are here to tell each other and the world that huge numbers of the Muslims, leftists, media and celebraties really look like and act exrtremely prejudiced, rigidly so,
much more, in number and publishing faciliteit and time than our “district attorney-team”. And it is highly likely you are prejudiced too.
Do WE see double standards with these defenders of Islam??? Yes, hugely so, in number, frequency, intensity and through endless propaganda and censorship, and oppressing. Especially if we add to that the huge one-sided, prejudiced influence of the OIC, the 56 Islamic countries.
We are vastly outnumbered IMO.
I guess both sides should not try to convince the other side, as in a trial both sides seek to win. By convincing the judge and jury. Maybe the silent majority of voters in next election. That is who must be persuaded in an fair debate. May the truth and the best functioning human values and societal ideologies win.
Ashley says
lebel…I find your comments here thought provoking and worthy of merit.
Robert does nothing more than report previously posted articles and videos regarding Islam, sharia, and jihad and provides his own context and analysis. Sure…cherry picking if you will. Robert ALWAYS cites his sources and leaves it to his readers to judge the veracity and validity of the content posted.
You, on the other hand, attempt to demean Mr. Spencer and those that follow Jihad Watch at every turn. I resent that.
“On a related matter your comprehension skills are slipping I’m sorry to say. More and more I feel like I’m talking to GI, which makes sense I guess.”
Your rude and juvenile stab towards Wellington and GI is a poor reflection on you, lebel.
You and I both have David Duke’s number and know why he is in support of this witch…the two share a mutual hatred of jews. I didn’t see Trump courting Duke’s endorsement during his campaign.
Grow up.
CogitoErgoSum says
Lebel, looks like you are at least in agreement with us in your feelings of disgust concerning Ihlan Omar’s anti-Semitism — David Duke aside. Right? Or wrong? Or no comment? By the way, this news story did not have anything to do with comments made by Donald Trump so why deflect attention away from what Omar said? (Hey, everybody, look over there. Nothing to see here.)
lebel says
@CogitoErgoSum no, I am not in agreement. What is the evidence for anti-semitism? is it OK to ask this question or is that in itself anti-semitic? From what I know she said that US foreign policy is biased towards Israel because Israel has a powerful lobby in the US.
DUH!
really? does anyone at jihadwatch ACTUALLY doubt this?
What I said that there was a powerful Saudi or ever Arab lobby, would that be anti-Arab racism? no? why not?
CogitoErgoSum says
Well, you understand her differently from what I do. From what I understand she said American Jews have a greater loyalty to Israel than they do to the U.S. simply because they are Jews. This is different than saying Israel has a lobby in the U.S. Congress. It is saying you can’t trust a Jew because he’s a Jew. It’s like saying you can’t trust an American of Japanese descent because he’s Japanese …. round them up and put them in internment camps. She’s insinuating this to prepare us for the day when she and her supporters will put Jews in internment camps. But how is this any different from Muhammad telling his followers the Jews are untrustworthy apes and pigs who will one day be forced by their superiors, the Muslims, to pay the Jizya or die and WILL die when Isa returns to do away with the Jizya?
If we are going to talk about people who follow a religion that demands dual loyalty from its followers until they wipe out all opposition let’s talk about Islam. But no …… we are bigots if we do that.
Demsci says
I second Wellington’s response. But for arguments sake: I see your point that, just like Donald Trump was endorsed by Dure but did not reciprocate this, neither does Omar reciprocate Duke’s endorsement.
It seems to follow that either both are guilty by association or innocent by not reciprocating.
And truly inquisitive truthseekers should examine the real or the fake common beliefs between Duke and Omar and Duke and Trump. And our posters are perfectly capable of that.
lebel says
@Demsci – right that would be sensible although I do not believe for a second that jihadwatchers are “perfectly capable of that” given the massive double standards at play on this site.
Demsci says
I can only speak for myself, level. And I can say it is good that there is some opposition, otherwise we all would preach to the choir here.
About double standards. I am all for COMPARISONS in broad contexts. And in my opinion it is the left, it is the mainstream media that engage in endless double standards.
Against people like many JW posters. And in favor of Muslims.
One of the most common double standards is the holding accountable of the Western Societies and of the Western people over, well, often Muslims. The war in Iraq for instance is blamed almost entirely on the West. Yet Saddam Hussein and many Iraqi’s Clearly stupidly provoked the democratic nation America. A country that at least after 1991 never fought another democracy. And before 1991 had to content with the Soviet Union, very powerful and more agressieve than America.
And Saddam Hussein and the Muslims are IMO also to be held accountable for their decisions as they too were/ are sane adult humans like the Americans. And if both were blamed but America got in terms of time 95 % of the blame in highligthing and commenting, that too is double standard.
And this is only one of myriad examples of double standards in accountability against Westerners en Democratic Nations IMO.
David Stephenson says
And no matter how much I point things like this out to lefties here in CA, they still insist there is nothing wrong with their party. It boggles the mind.
Brian hoff says
In India Tibet and Iran there are aryan people with dark and brown skin.
gravenimage says
Who knows what precise point “Brian hoff” is making here? It is clearly intended to be more apologia for his beloved Nazis, though.
eduardo odraude says
He’s probably trying to argue that because Hitler loved “Aryans” therefore Hitler was not a racist. Apparently Hoff thinks Hitler’s image of “Aryans” included dark skinned people. I believe Hitler’s image of “Aryan” was blond hair and blue eyes. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, who was one of the two or three most influential Muslim leaders in the world and one of Hitler’s best friends, had blue eyes and light hair, as I recall. Know why? Probably because his ancestors were the blond European slaves that Muslim slave-owners highly prized. Because of that, certain Muslim caliphate lineages became very blond, if I recall correctly.
eduardo odraude says
when I say “best friends” — I did not mean that literally. I meant he was an ally.
gravenimage says
I was being rhetorical here, Eduardo–but you are right.
nosmo king says
‘Iran’ actually means ‘Aryan’. There are light-skinned, blue-eyed people in Iran and in Northern India. These are thought rather fancifully to be descendants of Alexander the Great’s army which conquered those regions. The ancient Greeks / Macedonians tended to be light -eyed and light-skinned. According to Homer, Achilles has blond or reddish hair. The Daughter of Zeus has grey eyes.
There are blond and blue-eyed people in North Africa. These might be descendants of the Vandals and Alans, the Germanic tribes which conquered that area in the dark ages.
There are blue-eyed blond Turks. These are descendants of the Celtic tribe which settled in the area called after them in the Bible: Galatia.
The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem went to Berlin in WW2 to persuade the Nazis from ethnically cleansing the Jews to Palestine. This encouraged the physical destruction of European Jewry, as was likely the Mufti’s intention.
Yasser Arafat, the PLO leader, was a relative of the Grand Mufti.
na says
Dear Robert dont give too much publicity for disgusting uncivilized city girls like Rashida Tlaib,Omar etc . One of the famous pastor said “These seven sisters (City girls) will definitely compete with Trump 2020. Trump and Bernie will defeat these 7 city girls”.
SDN says
As such this shouldn’t be used against Omar. Unless we believe we have to use Breivik’s praise of Spencer as evidence of guilt.
gravenimage says
Robert Spencer has never preached violence, and he has disavowed Breivik countless times.
Has Omar done the same here? Certainly not so far.
Here is a salient article:
“If Ilhan Omar were a Republican, the media would be demanding she address her endorsement by David Duke”
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/if-ilhan-omar-were-a-republican-the-media-would-be-demanding-she-address-her-endorsement-by-david-duke
Don Ameche says
The KKK was created by the Democrat Party. It has embodied the DNC’s racism, fascism and hatred since the 1860s all the way down to our time.
Omar expresses the inherent racism and fascism and hatred if islam itself.
They are natural allies.
s says
it is the beginnings of Mass Genocide…
lebel says
@CogitoErgoSum I don’t know that she said that but if she did I am glad you can immediately see the repercussions on living jews and japanese. I would ask now that you replace Jew with Muslim and understand that saying the same things about Muslims is equally unacceptable and anti-Muslim (even though some Muslims are involved in terrorism). Maybe you are able to do that but I would bet that the overwhelming majority of jihadwatchers would have a double standard here.
CogitoErgoSum says
Lebel, maybe I have the wrong idea that the writings which a certain people call their scriptures are the words that guide their lives. I don’t see Muslims being treated badly in large numbers anywhere … except by other Muslims. Then I see them either quoting their scriptures to justify certain actions which I find terribly wrong or I find them hoping I don’t have the intellectual capacity to understand what they are really saying. I’m just looking for the truth and hoping I am finding it. The truth I am finding about Islam repulses me but I can see now that the way I see the world was shaped by what I was taught as a child and the same is true of Muslims. If they are bent on changing me and the world or killing me and those like me then I am bent on preventing that. What I know of them is what I know of the things they hold holy … and I am not impressed.
Demsci says
But lebel, there would be a double standard if in this context there was interchangeability between the groups Japanese, Jews and Muslims. But Japanese are a race, about an accident of birth. And Jews? Also mostly! Unless people specify Jews by saying religious or orthodox Jews.
But Muslims? Should being a Muslim be considered only an accident of birth or a choice? There are so many ethnicities inside Islam. Can’t we see being a Muslim differently; as a choice? For a certain ideology? Of at least a part of Muslims who interpret Islam in a literal way?
There is no double standard if we juxtapose on the one hand someone’s race at birth against someone’s choice of religion after becoming an adult.
For instance; a Japanese Muslim cannot change his race but he/ she CAN shed his/ her faith. And a Japanese convert to Islam did choose to convert.
Demsci says
And people on JW could in future argue that if Muslims have freedom of religion, why the extra protection for this free choice? Why the use of this religion as an excuse for being anti-western, anti-democratic as some Muslims Inside Western democratic nations are?
Why the protection of this taboo that Westerners,
who would die in order to save Democracy in its essences, who would like to spread it, but peacefully and voluntarily,
Cannot even ask and ascertain what IS the first and foremost loyalty of Muslims? Whether it is to the laws and interests of the land or the laws and interests of the religion when the 2 contradict?
In early 5th century Shah Bahram of Sassanid empire started to persecute Christians in Persia because he suspected them to be more loyal to the Byzantine Christians than to Persia. Was HE wrong in doing so? Was being a Christian in Zoroastrian Persia a choice?
gravenimage says
As always, lebel is hoping we don’t know that Islam teaches that there can be no loyalty to Infidel authorities or laws.