The savage and heinous terrorist attacks on the mosques in New Zealand are being and will be used to try to silence all criticism of jihad terror and Sharia oppression of women and others. The effort to stamp out such criticism is longstanding, and has gained new impetus now, although few stop to think about the fact that there is a big difference between non-violent analysis of a source of violence and oppression and vigilante violence against innocent people. The silencing will proceed apace. Here, in the meantime, is some perspective.
“New Zealand Attacks: Repercussions and Perspective,” by Srdja Trifkovic, Chronicles, March 15, 2019:
Terrorist attacks against Muslims in the Western world are extremely rare. This morning’s carnage in two mosques in New Zealand, with the death toll currently at 50, is the first major event of its kind since the Quebec City mosque shooting—over two years ago – which killed six persons.
(As for the alleged “Islamophobic incidents” in general, overwhelmingly they are either unverifiable or too trivial to be taken seriously.)
While 56 dead in two years is 56 too many, this regrettable incident will dominate the headlines infinitely more than any comparable carnage involving Christians, notably the 2017 Palm Sunday church bombings in Alexandria; it killed 45 people, and was all but ignored by the Western media and politicians. The developing frenzy of compassion with the victims of Christchurch will result in a number of mathematically predictable consequences:
- The ruling elites and their media cohorts all over the Western world will have a field day equating “violent extremism” (which has nothing to do with “true Islam,” of course) with the neo-nazi, right-wing, white, Christian-inspired racism, xenophobia, Islamophobia, and all other traits of the deplorables; and yes, it will be Trump’s fault to boot.
- Various Islamic activist in the West, such as the sharia-promoting CAIR in the U.S. and its fellow-conspirators elsewhere, will clamor for ever more stringent laws criminalizing “Islamophobia,” effectively defined as any form of meaningful debate of Islam, its scriptural message, historical practice, and current ambitions.
- Such demands will be promptly translated into legislative proposals by the jihadophile liberal class which will proclaim zero tolerance of “Islamophobia” as defined by CAIR et al. And, of course, they will demand additional Soviet/Nazi style gun laws.
Six years ago in these pages I defined jihadophilia as a mental disorder affecting members of the Western (including Anglo-Antipodean) elite class, which is characterized by a breakdown of the ability to name Muslims as perpetrators of the acts of Islamic terrorism, by the tendency to systematically ignore Islam as a factor in terrorist attacks or to deny its relevance in such attacks, and by an acute deficit of the capacity or will to provide appropriate institutional or legal responses to such attacks. This psychosis, hard to cure ab initio, will be let loose now like never before.
For starters, there will be no attempt to place today’s killings “in perspective,” as is invariably the case after Muslim terrorists strike Western targets—in Nice, Paris, Berlin etc.—killing hundreds of people. That “perspective” should include the fact that some 30 million Muslims reside in the Western world today (many more on their own reckoning), which makes the probability of any one of them falling victim to a deplorable attack in any given year roughly one in ten million.
These odds may be higher than being eaten by a great white shark, but they compare rather favorably with the probability of a Frenchman being killed by a Muslim fanatic. Be patient, dear reader; let us recoup with precision, lest we be accused of inflammatory rhetoric:
- 7-9 January 2015: Charlie Hebdo attacks kill 22 people.
- 26 June 2015: In Saint-Quentin-Fallavier, a Muslim decapitated a Frenchman and rammed a van into cylinders at a gas factory trying to start an explosion.
- 13-14 November 2015: The horrendous Paris attacks killed 137 people in the single deadliest terrorist outrage in French history
- 13 June 2016: At Magnanville, a policeman and his wife were murdered by a jihadist.
- 14 July 2016: A truck was driven into crowds celebrating Bastille Day in Nice. The driver, Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, killed 86 people.
- 26 July 2016: In Normandy two jihadists attacked a church during mass, killing an 86-year-old priest.
- 1 October 2017: A Muslim stabbed to death two young women at a Marseille train station. Before he was shot dead he shouted Allahu Akbar.
- 23 March 2018: A Muslim stole a car in Carcassonne, killing the passenger, went to Trèbes, attacked a supermarket, killed three people and injured several others.
- 12 May 2018: A Chechen-born “Frenchman” stabbed to death one pedestrian and injured several others near the Garnier Opera in Paris.
- 11 December 2018: In Strasbourg a gunman opened fire just outside the Christmas Market, killing 5 and injuring 11.
That makes 261 dead and many more injured, in attacks by Muslims on non-Muslims, in less than four years, in only one country, France (pop. 66 million). With 66 dead a year on average, Frenchmen are exactly ten times more likely to be murdered by a Muslim than a Muslim being killed by a non-Muslim terrorist anywhere in the Western world.
The score is incomparably worse if we look at the situation of Christians in the Muslim world. It is the most egregious example of human right violations in today’s world: according to “Open Doors,” at least 4,305 Christians known by name were murdered by Muslims because of their faith in 2018. Aid to the Church in Need, in its latest “Religious Freedom Report,” warned that 300 million Christians, overwhelmingly in the majority-Muslim countries, were subjected to violence, making it “the most persecuted religion in the world.”
This makes the odds of a Christian in a majority-Muslim country being murdered by a Muslim—simply for being what he is—approximately one in 70,000. This means a Christian living in a majority Muslim country is 143 times more likely to be killed by a Muslim for being a Christian than a Muslim is likely to be killed by a non-Muslim in a Western country for being what he is.
These are some of the facts that need to be taken into account as we face today’s onslaught of massive Agitprop and self-hatred inducement from every screen and every printed page in every Western country. The victims and their families in New Zealand deserve sympathy. So do the victims of jihadism, which is the most murderous ideology in human history, incomparably more lethal than Bolshevism and National Socialism combined….
AnneM04031959 says
Could we see much more stricter gun control laws being pushed world-wide including in the USA?
mortimer says
The Left is looking for excuses to crush those who resist globalism. Any excuse will do. Anti-Islam speech will be slandered as ‘anti-Muslim’ speech.
The importance of taking firearms away from non-Muslims should not be underestimated. Even in Germany, where most firearms are heavily restricted, Germans afraid of the Muslim migrants are buying AIRGUNS with high-penetration ammunition to circumvent firearm restrictions.
CRUSADER says
There exists denial among Westerners over the problem of Moslem militancy for world domination.
christianblood says
CRUSADER
Pulse Night Club in Orlando with its 49 murdered by a muslim jihadist comes to mind! What goes around comes around! REVIVE THE CRUSADERS AND START MARCHING IN EVERY MAJOR WESTERN CITY NOW!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky6GKty6azk
christianblood says
I won’t shed tears for a few Islamists who got hurt in a mosque when over
100.000 Christians are being murdered for their faith in the Islamic world in every single year!
https://catholicherald.co.uk/news/2013/06/03/vatican-official-says-100000-christians-are-killed-each-year-because-of-their-faith/
gravenimage says
Yet christianblood continually says that he wants to see Muslims conquer the West.
na says
This shooting happened in New Zealand where 99 percent population are Christian. But look at Islamic terrorism they want free Islamic nation in Europe.Shooting in the USA and Europe. Is it possible terrorism in Saudi Arabia by any non Muslim? Plus in Muslim countries are killing 1000’s of non Muslim every day. They are not keeping the records. Or UN is absent minded.
christianblood says
na posted
(..This shooting happened in New Zealand where 99 percent population are Christian. But look at Islamic terrorism they want free Islamic nation in Europe.Shooting in the USA and Europe. Is it possible terrorism in Saudi Arabia by any non Muslim? Plus in Muslim countries are killing 1000’s of non Muslim every day..)
Very well-said, indeed! Excellent points!
Ernie says
In Germany the maximum power allowed for air-guns is 7.5 joules . And that’s NOT very powerful Mortimer .
t. says
Pure logic, to the point, precise and above all true is the above article by R. S. God bless you, Robert!
Songwriters: Lenin-McCarthy says
No. The Second Amendment is un-repeal-able.
CRUSADER says
Repealing the Second Amendment – is it even possible?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/repealing-the-second-amendment-is-it-even-possible/
Overturning that decision via a constitutional amendment to get rid of the … do more to weaken the N.R.A.’s ability to stymie legislative debate and block … “They should demand a repeal of the Second Amendment,” he wrote.
_ _ _ _
fredoniahead says
They’ll find a way one day. To get around it. They’re already finding ways to get around the electoral college so Democrats stay in power permanently. Never say Never. Do not be surprised what you see because you ain’t seen nuthin’ yet.
gravenimage says
The existence of the Second Amendment has not prevented strict gun-control laws in may places.
CRUSADER says
Just as with the existence of the First Amendment…
….free speech is getting more limited by the day….
gravenimage says
Grimly true, CRUSADER. The Bill of Rights only offers safeguards if the people demand them.
Savvy Kafir says
Gun-haters & left-wing totalitarians throughout the West will certainly try to use these shootings as justification for new gun bans. Now that some of the people they value & cherish most (Muslims) have been killed by people using the things they fear & despise most (guns), they’re sure to get fired up.
If you’re not a member of the NRA (or a gun-rights organization in some other country), this would be a good time to join up. Also a good time to buy whatever guns are still legal in your country. In the U.S., AR-15s and high-capacity magazines should be at the top of your shopping list, as they might become scarce soon, and totally unavailable later on. Elsewhere in the West, buy shotguns & hunting rifles, and whatever else is available.
The next decade or two are going to be very volatile times; and there’s no way to know how things will play out. Be prepared for whatever comes.
christianblood says
Because of the teachings of the hateful supremacist islamic beliefs, muslims are crazily self-righteous and spiritually and morally blind. Islam has totally decimated the muslim’s self-awareness and because of it, most muslims have no or very little self-awareness. There is no golden rule in islam, no love for humanity in islam and no righteousness or decency or mercy in islam. Islam teaches, promotes, commands and authorizes hate, beheading, stoning, religious genocide, sexual slavery, child marriage, terrorism, discrimination, religious supremacism, violent jihadist activities and hateful warmongering. Islam is an evil, satanic cult full of hatred, ignorance, spiritual darkness, violence, crucifixions, burning-people-alive, amputations, stoning, beheading, flogging pple to death, suicide-bombing, wickedness, mass murder, honor-killing, throwing homosexuals off high buildings, barbarism, cruelty, extreme brutality, wickedness, supremacism, bloodshed, savagery, assassinations, wife-beating, instant divorces, false beliefs, demonic practices, cruel halal slaughter, female genital mutilation, jealousy and death. Islam and those who practice its evil, satanic teachings are the purest forms of evil on planet Earth!
na says
The shooter is a fool. Few innocent refugees are the victims of this attack. Big whales are still hiding in Saudi,Iran and Stan nations. But the truth is he fed up with Islamic terrorism. May be this is a trap of right wing.
But this is a micro terrorism compare to Islamic terrorism. Medias such as BBC, ABC,CNN are not happy to reveal the truth of Islamic terrorism .But they called yesterdays terrorism ‘Very cruel’.And they gave protection of Mosque.
Other side, take Nigeria shooting nobody protects Christians, Jews or Hindus. Pulwama attack 50 police men dead.Media did not give that much interest to publish this news.
At any cost native people should destroy the proxies of Islam.
Many previous victims of Islamic terrorism called this action “Gods revenge against Satan.Now we have little scope that there is a God exists”
na says
**trap of left wing. A conspiracy against right wing anti terrorism supporters.
christianblood says
na posted
(..Medias such as BBC, ABC,CNN are not happy to reveal the truth of Islamic terrorism .But they called yesterdays terrorism ‘Very cruel’.And they gave protection of Mosque. Other side, take Nigeria shooting nobody protects Christians, Jews or Hindus. Pulwama attack 50 police men dead.Media did not give that much interest to publish this news.
At any cost native people should destroy the proxies of Islam..)
You are exactly right! Every single time an islamic terrorist mass-murders infidels in some church or night club, Western MSM start claiming the jihadist had ‘mental issues’ to protect the jihadist from prosecution.
I agree that real danger to native infidels is not really the islamic jihadists but the local jihadist enablers that live among the native infidels such as the MSM and the like!
Renate says
Maybe if governments would crack down on jihad killings of innocent non-Muslim civilians, which seem to occur on a regular basis, lone individuals like this one wouldn’t be incited to respond in kind.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
For such a short post you sure said a lot. You’re exactly right about that. If Western leaders did their part to deal honestly with islam’s violent jihad agenda then certain folks wouldn’t feel compelled to take matters into their own hands so drastically. Maybe now they’ll realize that things are starting to boil over and they’ll start doing the right thing for all concerned. No more lies and excuses for islam, it’s violent and it’s jihad agenda is 1400 years old. We have a right to act in our own defense against foreign invaders, for god and country. Do I think violence is good response? No, I suppose not. But I’m not at all surprised that this happened. Western governments are pushing their good citizens to the limits with islam, When your kids and women get treated like sex toys and your entire way of life is threatened for a depraved ideology like islam then of course society is going to crack and break. It’s time for some honesty and well meaning action by our leaders. Or I fear more violence will come in defense of our freedoms that cost us so much in blood and toil.
Terry Gain says
This mass murderer is not a good citizen. He is a deranged fool and this masssacre will provide Islam with a great propaganda victory. It will lead to more restrictions on speech which is critical of Islam. The clear link between Islamic doctrine and Muslim violence will continue to be ignored or denied.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
You are 100% correct. He/they hurt us with this deranged act. But I fear it’s only going to escalate, because too many in power won’t deal fairly with our rational and justified concerns about islam.
christianblood says
Terry Gain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b11-37Me_a4
Savvy Kafir says
Good point, Renate! If Western governments did more to protect their people from violence-prone Muslims, instead of welcoming more & more of them to our countries — while restricting free speech in order to silence critics of Islam and their own reckless, suicidal policies — non-Muslims would not be driven to the point of desperation & desperate acts.
As long as politicians & the mainstream media refuse to be honest regarding Islam and the danger it poses for us & our societies — and as long as they, and social media platforms, deny us the ability to discuss the issue honestly in public venues — the more desperate the response will become, as people see their countries being steadily Islamized.
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.” — John Fitzgerald Kennedy
Those who make the peaceful resistance to Islam impossible will make violent resistance inevitable. – Savvy Kafir
lebel says
“non-Muslims would not be driven to the point of desperation & desperate acts.”
Poor guy, pushed to killing defenseless men, women and children. Does that logic work both ways? no of course not, only our narrative can justify mass murder and the killing of children.
Savvy Kafir says
What about all of the defenseless non-Muslim men, women, & children that Muslims slaughter on a fairly REGULAR basis throughout the West, for explicitly religious reasons? And that’s just ONE of the problems/varieties of barbarism brought to us, courtesy of Islam, that make some people feel desperate to resist its spread, via any means left to them.
Wellington says
Well, lebel, Islam’s clear hatred of non-Muslims (e.g., Sura 98:6 which states that Jews and Christians “are the vilest of creatures”) does indeed lend itself to slaughter. Over 34,000 documented Islamic terrorist attacks worldwide just since 9/11 does, duh, make one think that Islam is really, really effed up. And look at the way Hamas and other Islamic terrorist organizations go out of their way to target women and children or place their own children in harm’s way in order to have them as casualties and thus elicit more sympathy from all those who remain willfully ignorant of Islam’s many profoundly troubling tenets, one of them being death for apostasy and another being death or at least severe bodily harm for those who dare criticize Mo’s creed, Mo himself or that most wretched of religious works, the Koran.
Harming an unarmed Muslim simply because that person is a Muslim is unquestionably wrong but I would say the same thing about harming an unarmed KKK member, Neo-Nazi, Marxist, anarchist, et al. And, as Robert Spencer indicated in great detail above, the number of Muslims harmed by non-Muslims pales in comparison to the number of non-Muslims harmed by Muslims.
Gee, I have to wonder how you will spin all this in yet another feeble attempt to denigrate Jihad Watch. I’m sure you’ll find a way.
FYI says
“our” narrative?
As an islamic apologist and constant defender of the endless murderous violence of the “religion of peace”you surely mean “your” narrative.
The Media response is hysterical with opportunities given to the likes of that devout islamic Playboy of the Western World,imran khan,telling us that islam is a peaceful religion.Who knew?
Sure it is:it would be “islamophobic” to suggest otherwise.And muhammed the MASS MURDERER {Abu Dawud 4390}was a little lambkin.
Meanwhile the Daily Mail,the UK’s National Toilet paper, says the attacker was a “Trump-supporting white supremacist”Ya see?It’s all Donald Trump’s fault.
The political Quislings and pro-globalist Leftard politicians who allow mass islamic immigration into their countries like NZ and Australia must share the blame.
I always thought NZ would be safe until I saw the muslim immigrant populationstealthily increasing:how did they get in?Why are they in NZ when they have nothing to offer and will NEVER be part of NZ society{“Take not the Jews and Christians for friends” k5:51 That’s not a very sociable teaching..}
Only a muslim or an islamic apologist of the evil religion of islam would try to use this as an excuse to attack JW.
That’s “your” narrative lebel.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
Poor guy, pushed to killing defenseless men, women and children. Does that logic work both ways? no of course not, only our narrative can justify mass murder and the killing of children.~lebel
So what’s your argument here, lebel? That when muslims terrorize innocent civilians and persecute Jews and Christians for religious bigotry that they are “desperate” people doing “desperate acts”?
Listen, jihadists don’t terrorize out of desperation, they do it out of dedication to their god and religion, and the backstory behind the terror they do is usually the same, they involved themselves more and more in islamic doctrine until finally one day they consummated their love for allah by killing innocent people. Muslim terrorists act aggressively against our people and laws for the same reason “moderate” muslims hold signs that read, “islam will dominate the west!” or “death to those who slander the prophet!” they do it to advance islamic culture and religion. That’s not “desperation” darling, that’s political aggression for a sick and depraved ideology. Now let’s consider things on an international level, when islamic nations abuse the rights of their own people and oppress non-muslims, are they acting desperately? Hardly, they’re acting tyrannical. When gays get thrown from buildings, are their murderers acting out of “desperation”? No, they’re killing for hateful and bigoted reasons (now THAT’S hate!). When millions of girls suffer FGM, are their butchers acting out of desperation? No, they’re only perpetuating a senseless and cruel barbaric practice against children. How ’bout victims of “honor killing,” are their killers acting out of desperation? No, they’re only killing their family for false pride and self-interest. I could go on with this, but I think I made my point, lebel. Your assertions are too stupid, you’re ignoring 1400 years of islamic aggression and suffering for allah. Muslims who kill for islam aren’t acting out of desperation, they’re acting out of loyalty to an ancient but outmoded ideology that glorifies terror, hate, and bigotry.
You are way out of your league here, lebel. Go home and eat your pudding. I feel angry and bad for the victims of this tragedy. But I feel even more angry and bad that Western leaders are facilitating this terror with their own self-serving complicity.
Ashley says
Agostino Armo Pellegrini…you are a fine writer.
Thank you for speaking out on behalf of many of us here.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
Agostino Armo Pellegrini…you are a fine writer.
Thank you for speaking out on behalf of many of us here. ~Ashley
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Thanks. I don’t have much to say, but I say it with much conviction. lol
I’m very much against any religion–or any ideology that pretends to be a religion–that teaches political aggression and murderous maxims as godly truth. The association between what islam teaches and the violence muslims do is unmistakable in my mind, their motivation springs from religious conviction and it is misguided, unprincipled and bigoted, and without spiritual merit in my opinion. The very best elements in islam aren’t worth more than what old fashioned commonsense could provide, the practical benefits of simply being a good person is readily understand by most humans without religions like islam. Islam does not support our natural inclination to like others and get along, it promotes the kind of intolerance that kills and that’s what we’re getting on a genocidal scale. And this aggression by muslims comes on many levels and in many different forms, from the worst terrorist down to the peaceful “moderate” muslims that support that same ideology for which those terrorists kill. I’ve used the analogy before, that if I affiliated with a Nazi organization, gave money for their evil cause of hating Jews, etc, it would not mean much if I declared myself a “peaceful moderate” if other members were actually killing Jews. No, more accurately I would be part of an organized conspiracy of murder. I think my analogy is true enough to cause alarm about these so-called “moderates.” I certainly feel bad that so many of them were born into that sharia mindset for allah, but that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be concerned about the terror and social unrest their witting or unwitting complicity is causing. To me conscientious action in the face of this obvious immorality is not to ignore it, but to confront it with truth and genuine concern for others. That’s what I try to do with my paltry posts, encourage good thinking and action by supporting Spencer and other good teachers like him. They are the ones who are truly making a difference with their gifted brains and courage. I’m just a little cheerleader who donate$ when he can. 🙂
Mirren10 says
Are we now going to see a torchlight procession of mohammedans, all laying down tealights, soggy teddy bears, flowers, photos of the victims, photos of tears running down cheeks, and statements lsuch as , ”we are better than them we will not give in to hatred, or kufferophobia, ?
Somehow I don’t think so.
*That* sort of reaction is confined to the peoples of the West, who react to mohammedan murders and atrocities against *us* with knee jerk responses which imply, or explicitly state, that it’s our own fault, and the mohammedans who committed it are not ‘real muslims’, and that ‘islam is a religion of peace’.
Will the mohammedans from the Christchurch mosque say the same with reference to the charges of ‘white supremacism’ ? I doubt it.
mohammedans will use this horrible mass murder to further push ‘islamophobia’, and the ongoing stealth jihad.
My above comment does not mean I condone the murders of unarmed and helpless mohammedans at a mosque; I do not, I hope the murderer is tried, convicted, and gets the death penalty, if NZ has one, We have a moral code totally different to that of islam, and we must live up to it..
But it is instructive, and interesting, to compare the msm reactions to this atrocity, with their reactions to the *many* mohammedan atrocities committed even since 9/11, Germany, France, the UK
Italy, Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden, et al.
The almost universal silence on the atrociities committed against the Yazidi, the Syrian Christians, the discovery by the SAS of the heads of 50 Yazidi women, found in *bins*.: I have not seen one single msm article referring to the horror of *that*. If I have missed them, I’m sure others will correct me.
Reading over my comment, I will make reference to the ”elephant in the room”. As I have said, in no way do I excuse or condone these horrific murders. Murder is murder, and I will *never* condone that, under *any* circumstances..
*But*, we now have a situation where the governments of the West, have, for whatever reasons, known only to themselves, , allowed into our societies, a religion/ideology dedicated to our destruction. This religion/ideology wants to *destroy* us, and according to it;s own tenets, will do this by whatever means suits them best, jihad of the sword, or stealth jihad
Our governments have. almost universally, pandered to this foul. religion/ideology,, to the extent of destroying our freedom of speech, and pandering to the scum who tell us that defending our rights is ‘islamophobia;. We have now reached the point where putting a piece of bacon on a mosque door knob results in a 18th month jail sentence,, but a mass murder plot against hundreds/of thousands of people is dismissed as ‘islamophobia.’
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christianblood says
Why Western Civilization Needs To Discard Secular Liberalism And Embrace Christianity Again!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=u0cKuFfYnVw
carpediadem says
@Agostino Armo Pellegrini Tweeted your fine response to lebel.
Demsci says
Only the other day I pointed out to A Muslim neighbor the horrible rape/ murder of A 19 year old girl by A Palestinian bent on killing A Jew.
His answer: yes that is bad, but the Palestinians are just so DESPARATE.
Sure this Logic Goes both ways, or is used just as well by “the other side”.
Kay says
lebel’s point is to equate the heartache felt over the many Mohammeden attacks with justification of this attack in NZ.
However no one here is justifying the horrible attack in NZ.
He voices a red herring that in certain political stripes is readily believed.
jcz says
Hmmm, Bolshevism and National Socialism combined, 100,000,000+ dead in 20th century. Jihad how many dead in 20th century?
Strong Aingel says
Carl Jung, one of the founding fathers of psychology, wrote this about Hitler in the late 1930s.
We don’t know whether Hitler is founding a “new Islam”. He has already gone some way towards it; he resembles Mohammed. The German emotional world (Gefühlswelt) is Islamic. They are all acting as if intoxicated by a raging god. That may be our future history.
don vito says
Islam has existed for much longer than a century, so why should the time limit be to only the 20th century? When the 20th Century was fairly young the Ottoman Empire declare a jihad and within its borders the most recognized jihad is the infamous Armenian Genocide. Victims numbered in a range of between 1 million to 1 and 1/2 million people. There were other victims as well, such as Greek and East European, in the Ottoman Empire. The number totals I don.t have. However if we don’t limit our time frame to just the 20th Century, and we look at all Kufr victims of jihad from islam’s founding to present, the Apostate Prophet from India quotes numbers ranging from 200 million to 800 million victims in India alone. Staggering numbers for a 1400 year existence of the religion of peace
christianblood says
don vito
Very well-said!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo
Kay says
So many people don’t know. The history isn’t taught.
And the many names confuse— Ottoman, Salafist, Mohammedan, ISIS, Fulani . . .
D. Morris says
Gun Laws aren’t necessarily the answer. Many countries have strict gun laws, but if you want to kill someone, you will find a way.
It is sad that 49 people have died so far in New Zealand. BUT I agree with Robert in how the media ignores the killings BY Muslims unless the number of dead is high such as in France. Maybe if the media was more open and honest instead of proclaiming “Islamophobia” the attacks/killings by Muslims would decrease.
We need to petition Pres. Trump to be totally honest about Islam.
Dude says
After this, I fully expect Islamic schoIars to finally remove all calls for murder, rape, robbery, and slavery that inhabit the various scriptures of Islam.
mortimer says
Dear Dude, the Islamic leaders will quietly ask Muslims to arm themselves and take martial arts classes. They will increase the paranoia and encourage jihad all the more.
Dude says
And when they’re caught killing us, they will be found unfit for trial (insane), unlike the guy in Canada who got 40 years for shooting up a Quebec mosque a year ago. Maybe once we realize that we are actually declaring their ancient leader insane, (how islamophobic!), we will begin treating them like real citizens, and no more can they shoot up downtown Toronto and get off with an insanity plea or rape children and claim ignorance of the law.
pemba says
Please the shooters are not terrorists, they are just mentally disturbed guys. It is not fair to call them TERRORISTS.
christianblood says
Sure, the shooter was having some mental issues!
rubiconcrest says
A major religious inspired attack that should have been on the list:
20 dead 81 wounded but alive(which can mean many with horrific injuries) and no outrage by the Muslim community.
The killing in New Zealand was savage and cannot be justified on any grounds but it pales in comparison to the steady killing of Christians all over the world on a daily basis. Will a killing chart be made by ideology? I doubt it but we need to write news organizations to demand it!
rubiconcrest says
…. 20 dead as bombs target Sunday Mass in Philippine cathedral …. Jan 27, 2019
revereridesagain says
Oh by the way, Marxachusetts has seen fit to increase security at the Islamic Center of Boston, the mosque known for its most notorious former members, the Tsarnaev brothers, bombers of the Boston Marathon. (Also the Islamic Center of Quincy, whose former imam saw fit to lecture us about the moral horrors of Monica Lewinsky immediately following the 9/11/01 jihad attacks.)
Other “faith leaders” in the Boston area obediently chimed in with their support. The police commissioner announced that “we are all Muslims deep down”. I don’t know what makes that smug fool think he can speak for me.
https://whdh.com/news/boston-police-boost-presence-at-mosques-following-new-zealand-mass-shootings/
https://www.truthrevolt.org/news/boston-police-commissioner-were-all-muslims-deep-down
Carol the 1st says
In regard to that Philippine attack:
https://www.raymondibrahim.com/2019/03/12/is-it-really-human-beings-doing-this-muslim-persecution-of-christians-january-2019/
Carol the 1st says
In regard to the killing of Christians (about ELEVEN PER DAY):
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/13813/christians-persecuted-
Tony Naim says
There are very few people in the west who understand political Islam as much as Robert Spencer. I agree with what he says. Numbers don’t lie. Violence is intrinsically inherent in political Islam. In Christianity, political violence is an aberration. That is a big difference there.Political islam is incompatible with Human Rights.
elee says
Hear hear. He did for 20 minutes whaat their scriptures have told them to do for a millennium and a half. From media reports it appears he was pretty well-informed.
If he had shouted allah hu abkbar and committed the same acts would it even be news?
dan christensen says
Normally the authorities should now begin to protect churches and synagogues from conceivable muslim backlash attacks. Instead New York city and other places now starts protecting mosques from Christian backlash following an expected muslim backlash.
After the 9/11 muslim terror attack, palarabs in my neighborhood started cruising around in cars, with waving of arab flags and screams of joy!!! Police let them do it without any hindrance.
Savvy Kafir says
The virtue-signaling in New York City yesterday was pretty revolting. All those heavily-armed police officers photographed for public consumption, standing guard outside various mosques, like good little dhimmis, protecting our precious Muslims/ future overlords, who must ALWAYS be reassured of our love, understanding, & good intentions, whenever some Allah junkie has just slaughtered some innocent infidels, or on the very rare occasion when some desperate, pissed-off infidel finally strikes back.
If only our “leaders” cared as much about the feelings & welfare of us non-Muslims – the patriots of the West, who actually love our free, open, progressive societies! Instead their concern is always for the Muslim colonizers – the barbarians within the gates, busily turning Western countries into Sharia-compliant hell-holes like the ones they came from.
Carol the 1st says
The extreme guilt-peddling by the female New Zealand Prime Minister was absolutely contemptible and absurd – as was the cotton-candy-wrapped, self-centered, self-pity of the ever-so-sensitive and helpless Islamic “true believers”. Even intelligent video-makers like Frank Vaughan fell into the hand-wringing, white-man self-flagellating, obscene hysteria.
If any group shamelessly indulges in supporting directly or indirectly those that go after your hide in the name of some rotten graven image then you’d better retain the furious, guilt-free joy of hunting them back or you’ll go the way of the ill-equipped Dodo bird. The smell of weakness permeates the air.
Savvy Kafir says
“The smell of weakness permeates the air.”
And the enemy loves that scent. For them, it smells like victory in the making. And the way things are going — STILL, after so many years of openly making war on us & our societies — they have every reason to be optimistic.
Carol the 1st says
I saw a picture of scorched Nigerian Christian bodies (an act done very recently). Seems Trump spoke out about it ten months ago (so much to read unfortunately – and so little time unfortunately).
I haven’t watched this one yet but Apostate Prophet is always worthwhile:
The Christchurch Mosque Massacre Blame Game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt3r5GdbC1w
pemba says
Shooters in New Zealand should not be considered as Terrorist, they just mentally unstable, likewise Muslims who go around stabbing non Muslims while yelling ” alla-hu-akbar ” are taken for granted as mentally disturbed people.
mortimer says
In NIGERIA in the last 20 years, at least 1,000 Christian Nigerians have been killed by Muslims. There is a war against Christians being waged by Boko Haram which is self-confessedly and primarily anti-Christian, particularly in education.
The world looks the other way as Christians are largely defenseless in Nigeria.
Michael says
Seems as if most of our politicians are traitors but is shouldn’t come as a surprise that they lie to us about the dangers of Islam since they lie to us about everything else! But an equal danger is whit supremacy or in fact any supremacy organisation.
Carol the 1st says
There’s a difference between homegrown ‘white supremacists’ who feel entitled to hold their own and the ‘Travellin’ Muzzie Supremacy Show’. I have no respect for the latter.
Walter Sieruk says
First and foremost, in the nation of New Zealand those four hooters and murderers of all those people in the mosques are four despicable people who did wrong, evil and need to be punished by their murderous violence. There is strong and clear different between rights and wrong. What those violent characters did by their shootings was wrong .very viciously wrong.
It make no difference that the shooter might have had the “feeling” that they were in the right by their violent and deadly actions. They were wrong.
Many people don’t approve of mass unvetted immigration and understand that Islam had many things about it that are very disturbing about this religion yet they don’t become violent as those four shooter did in New Zealand . There is no excuse for what they did.
The fact of whatever a person believes about Islam the true of reality is that Muslims are not Islam. Peaceful Muslims should be treated with respect and never threaten with violence in any way or of any sort .
Second, as a result of the wicked individuals who murdered those Muslims in that city, many Islamic propagandist in a lot of nations ,cities and towns will seize and exploit this tragic incident and will attempt to depict all Westerns as malicious and murderous and as the “real terrorist”
gravenimage says
Fine post, Walter. All civilized Infidels condemn this.
Few pious Muslims condemn Jihad terror, though.
Mike says
The people who did this are no friend to anybody as white supremists if the reports are correct are just as dangerous as Hitler was or Islam is .Most people’s family trees will have a variety of nationalities so who could really claim to be of pure white heritage ? Not many.
gravenimage says
The idea that there are no choices between loving and excusing Jihad terror and attacks like this one is quite false.
Savvy Kafir says
Mike — White supremacy is just as dangerous as Islam? Really?
White supremacists would be just as dangerous (in some ways) as Muslims IF there were 1.6 billion of them, breeding like rabbits. But there aren’t. Also, white supremacists are not making great strides towards undermining basic freedoms in the West, such as free speech. They aren’t raping thousands of women & girls in Europe. They have not carried out thousands of terrorist attacks since 9/11/01. (And there aren’t millions of white supremacists colonizing Muslim countries, trying to undermine and subjugate them and turn them into bastions of white supremacy.)
People who hate others because of their skin color or ethnicity are assholes & moral retards. But white supremacy, as loathsome as it is, does not pose the sort of danger that Islam does. Not even close. Let’s keep it real!
Demsci says
the problem with those reports is that all top often the label of white supremacist or Some such label is put on the perpetrator of A shooter, attacker. by biased reporters I suspect.
And the burden of proof is still on them if these labels were really correct.
So really there are 1. Muslim attackers. 2. White suprem. Attackers. 3. Miscellaneous attackers if you Will.
And categories 2 and 3 are often “conflated” I believe is the word. But 1 and 3 seldom can be conflated although Many try it.
Jayme says
Mike
In Canada the left wants to do away with western values you think that’s fine.
Michael says
I would not like Islam or Nazi white supremists to take over the world.Either way the majority of people would see hell on earth.
Savvy Kafir says
White supremacy is disgusting; but it doesn’t keep me awake at night, worrying about the future of Western Civilization. Islam does. We shouldn’t get distracted or confused by a few white supremacist assholes pursuing their odious agenda. We need to keep our eye on the ball. Islam is the real threat. That’s the one we need to focus on.
Carol the 1st says
Most feel safer if they go off-track and stick to ‘chasing the bunny’.
Walter Sieruk says
About that awful and deadly incident in the countries of New Zealand, those murderous villains who shot all those Muslims who were in the mosques and only being religious. Those four murderers are responsible for their evil behavior and likewise should be punished for their wicked actions .
This also leads to the subject of the Quran based theology of the Islamic doctrine that Allah’s had indeed sent that wicked murderer to commit that shooting Muslim massacre . This means then the god of Islam, as if he really does exist is a destructive and malicious god. For the Quran teaches in Surah 57:22. “No misfortune [disaster] can happen on earth or in your souls but is recorded in a decree [Quran ] before [in eternity ] We [Allah] bring it into existence: that is easy for Allah.” Therefore according the Islam’s “holy book,” the Quran the Islamic god, Allah, is guilty of causing the mass murder os all those Muslim in those two mosques .What a cruel vicious, malicious god Allah must be. So Allah is than a very unloving malice –filled god. This Allah is even malicious to the people who worship him.
The God of the Bible is not really Allah the god of Islam. To explain, through the passing of time it has become widely accepted that the word “Allah” is just the Arabic word for God. This started when truth compromising Bible “translators” substituted the word Allah where the word God should have had been uses in the Arabic translation of the Bible. Furthermore, in the glossary in the book ASSASSINS! By Dr. Haha Lung it defines Allah as the “Pre-Islamic Lunar god : the god of Islam. “ Likewise, in the book entitled INSIDE ISLAM by a former Muslim who is now a Christian, Reza F. Safa on pages 22, 23 it reads “In pre-Islamic times both Allah –worship and Baal-worship involved the worship of the sun, the moon and the stars which h defines them as astral religions. [Which are condemned in the Bible, Second Kings 23:5] The crescent moon, which was the symbol of moon worship, is also the symbol of Islam.” In conclusion the Islamic god, Allah, is not the God of the Bible.
The words in brackets are my own. In addition other some other books that expose this little known truths are WHO IS THIS ALLAH ? by G..J.O.. Moshay also UNVEILING ISLAM by Ergun Mehmet Caner and Emir Fethi Caner and THE ISLAMIC INVASION by Robert Morey . There is also PHILISTINE by Ramon Bennett and ANSWERING JIHAD by Mabeel Qureshi
elee says
These Muslims suffered an expedited version of Christian martyrdom. According to their scriptures Allah would have been more pleased with them if they had wielded the firearms in a Christian church. That has happened on occasion over the last 1400 years. Usually, as Boromir’s Horn points out above, it’s old news and doesn’t rate a headline.
Carol the 1st says
Walter said: “About that awful and deadly incident in the countries of New Zealand, those murderous villains who shot all those Muslims who were in the mosques and only being religious.”
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“only being religious” is wearing more than a little thin. They have eyes to see and shoes that are made for walking. Their ‘innocent’ membership condones kaffirs being treated as extermination projects. Our ‘good’ behaviour is wearing thin too.
Savvy Kafir says
Agreed. At this point — after the thousands of demonstrations of the vile, savage nature of Islam we’ve seen in recent years — there is really no excuse for any decent (adult) person to still be a Muslim. There is no excuse good enough, given the extremely toxic, barbaric nature of this religion, which is spelled out very clearly in the Qur’an, and demonstrated very clearly in the example of the prophet Muhammad.
revereridesagain says
Excellent point, Walter. I fear it would be lost (or, more to the point, denied) by the vast majority even if they were so informed, but it is truth well spoken anyway.
mortimer says
Robert Spencer is correct: STATISTICS regarding the relative danger of different groups should be collected and compared to assess the RELATIVE RISKS.
WHERE ARE THE GREATEST RISKS TO PUBLIC SAFETY COMING TODAY??? Answer: from the Islamic PRIMARY SOURCE TEXTS which counsel terrorist-warfare against disbelievers ‘in Allah’s cause’.
Emilie Green says
Of course this is not surprising. When the people are ruled without their consent – as Merkel, Blair, Major, May several French presidents (going back to the 1970s) and the EU generally are doing (including all the resettlement agencies and their helpers (looking at you, Catholic Charities, UN) in the United States; Little Mogadishu in Minneapolis or Lewiston, Maine were purposefully created) – people do reach their I’ve-had-enough moments. As individual tolerances vary, some will reach their boiling point moment earlier than others.
gravenimage says
There is no excusing this attack.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
Of course the shooters are getting blamed for this incident, when in reality the principal responsibility lay with the politicians who created this situation with muslims in the first place. I’m not defending the shooters and I feel bad for the victims. But let’s be realistic about this, of course some folks are going to react this way to the muslim take over of society, they’re distraught over all the rape while their beloved nation(s) and freedoms get flushed down the toilet for a demon ideology. They are afraid, and rightly so, islam is violent and there’s an epidemic of muslim terror because of it. Virtually every Western nation lives in fear because of what muslims have done and what they might do in the future. And all we good citizens ever get for our concerns is to be shushed by our leaders. Their indifference to the facts and their lies and excuses for islam only makes things worse. It’s primarily the politicians and their leftist allies in the press and academia who are creating all this social friction in the first place, they are robbing us of our peace and freedoms for islam’s supremacist ideology that is violent and misogynistic in the extreme–IT’S WORSE THAN COMMUNISM! If our leaders aren’t going to help with sincere efforts then, unsurprisingly, certain people are going to try and fix things themselves by any means possible.
I think this sad incident should be a good lesson for the corrupt and self-serving establishment, they should stop and consider the effect their own bad actions are having on society. Their gross indifference and lack of concern for our legitimate fears about islam must be addressed. I’m angry at these shooters who caused all this pain, they are part of the problem not the solution. But I’m even more angry at Western leaders who ignore all the warning signs and therefore precipitate these outcomes. It’s time they sit up and listen and start caring about all relevant parties, not just muslims who haven’t received even 1/1000 of the pain their “religion” has caused everyone else. No more double standard. If merely speaking truthfully about the violent bigotry in islam is going to be considered a hate crime then it’s only fair that the violent bigotry in islam be considered an even bigger crime. Fair? You’re f*cking right it is.
We will never have peace until our leaders accept the ugly facts about islam and start acting judiciously about the violence it teaches and provokes. They are responsible for the destruction of the West for islam, and they more than anyone bear the guilt for the violence and bigotry islam is causing in our nations.
gravenimage says
The shooters *are* to blame for this incident.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
“The shooters *are* to blame for this incident.”~Graven
Of course, I admitted as much in my first sentence. But there’s a larger truth I felt deserved mention, and that’s the complicity of Western leaders who created this climate of fear and tension in the first place. Their lies and shilling for islam is much to blame for the rise in tension that precipitates this kind of retaliatory action, I truly believe this. I can’t imagine you’d ever disagree with that, Graven.
gravenimage says
I have condemned Western appeasement and enabling of Islam many times, as anyone with even a glancing familiarity with my posting history well knows.
Condemning this attack *and* Western dhimmitude in the face of Jihad are not contradictory.
And Peter, the idea that the proper response to Jihad terror is to murder children as Breivik did is madness.
Robert Spencer does not do this.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
I have condemned Western appeasement and enabling of Islam many times, as anyone with even a glancing familiarity with my posting history well knows.
Condemning this attack *and* Western dhimmitude in the face of Jihad are not contradictory.
And Peter, the idea that the proper response to Jihad terror is to murder children as Breivik did is madness.
Robert Spencer does not do this.
~Graven
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I think what is really happening here, Graven, is that some, like me and perhaps Peter, are want to point out the deeper causes at play here, principally the misguided and corrupt acts of many Western politicians and leaders who shill for islam. Of course those who pull the trigger are the immediate cause of death, but in the larger scheme of things, who created this highly charged atmosphere of death and terror? Well I say that it’s the traitorous politicians and their leftist allies in the media who bear much of the blame. That was the point I was trying to make, I would never say this murder was a good thing, I’m not insane. I don’t think I would word my POV quite like Peter did, but I understand what he’s trying to convey there. I believe he understands, like most of us, the growing frustration many feel about islam and why some are acting crazy like in this New Zealand murder. I did not interpret his post as support for the murder of muslims, only that he understands the depth of anguish and frustration that so many feel about islam and all the ugliness it brings. On an emotional level I agree with Peter, on an intellectual level I would refrain from accepting his diction at face value. Still, I’m quite sure we are all on the same side with this issue, we know islam contains violent and supremacist elements and that it has caused untold death and suffering. Right?
gravenimage says
Agostino, I never implied–or thought–that you or Peter were supportive of this attack.
Note that what this shooter really wanted was to stoke strife in the West, to destabilize and polarize the West and finally to destroy individualism here.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
Agostino, I never implied–or thought–that you or Peter were supportive of this attack.
Note that what this shooter really wanted was to stoke strife in the West, to destabilize and polarize the West and finally to destroy individualism here. ~Graven
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No, we’re good, Graven. I only saw your post as an opportunity to explore the issue. I never really felt “attacked” by anything you said. I hope you didn’t cry TOO hard, lol.
gravenimage says
OK,, Agostino.
And no, I wasn’t crying over your posts. Why would you think so?
lebel says
It is no surprise that a genocide denier (Bosnian genocide) would be the one to penning this “condemnation” which is full of hate for Islam and tu qoque (But but Islam is much worse, focus on that!). The reason of course is that the shooter was inspired by Serbian ethnic fanaticism (https://www.rferl.org/a/christchurch-attacks-yugoslavia-tarrant-inspiration-suspect-new-zealand/29823655.html) the same ideology which the author defends and promotes. I also noticed that Mr. Fitzgerald, another genocide denier, has just penned an article on Bosnia, what a coincidence.
As if anyone would there think about writing something like this following the Pittsburg Synagogue shooting for example? that would be pure evil but when Muslims are killed the rules change. Digusting but very much expected. How could it be otherwise? this is a hate site.
CogitoErgoSum says
I suppose this is a hate site if you hate ideologies which espouse hate.
lebel says
the ideology and its adherents as is obvious when reading just about any comment on jihadwatch.
CogitoErgoSum says
I try to maintain within my thoughts a distinction between ideologies and human beings. While I think hating any human being is wrong I do not see why it is wrong to hate an ideology. Please explain why hating an ideology is wrong. If hate is the wrong word to use for not liking an ideology what word is the proper one? Or should I either love or feel indifferent towards all ideologies?
Carol the 1t says
I doubt you have enough feeling in your bones for hate (and quite obviously compassion) Lebel. Contrariness is your bag and you travel light.
gravenimage says
lebel has always said that opposing Muslims oppressing, raping, and murdering their victims is “hate”.
gravenimage says
As he has always done, Peter.
FYI says
“Genocide denier”?
You mean like ,…yourself….lebel.?
SAHIH MUSLIM #6985
islam’s plan of Genocide for the Jews;isn’t SAHIH MUSLIM #6985 antisemitic “HATE SPEECH”??
The muslims and their islamic apologists stay SILENT..
Demsci says
Lebel, as CES says, this site is about Defending against an encroaching supremacist, expansionist, unapologetic ideology; Islams most important guiding texts. Which can never be altered or amended.
But can be, and are, known, by many non Muslims, who see in them AND in A big part of the1,6 billion Muslims, so not all, due to variabele interpretaties, A threat to:
Some of the essences of our Democratic system.
Call the 2 ideologies; Islam and Democracy, as global competitors for adhering humans and countries if you Will.
Of course both sides fear, hate, verbally attack the other side
Ashley says
A well composed piece on the heels of a most despicable and senseless mass murder, Robert.
lebel says
Really? can you not see how unacceptable this would be to you if a similar article was written following a terrorist attack against the US? This is EXACTLY the kind of articles which would outrage jihadwatchers if they had been written following September 11 and indeed such articles WERE written. These are the articles that start with the “I condemn this horrible attack BUT the US did lots of bad stuff everywhere etc”
CRUSADER says
“‘Islamophobic’ is a word created by fascists, and used by cowards, to manipulate morons.”
— The late, great Christopher Hitchens
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Demsci says
So to avoid double standards, lebel, I support Roberts article, but I also am prepared to listen well to the arguments in the reverse articles that you mention.
Which CAN have legitimate complaints about “bad” behaviour of non Muslims against innocent Muslims. This IS A 2waystreet I admit.
But Robert is on very sure footing with scriptural proof and testimony by Muslims themselves, pointing to them as motivation.
Much more than the other side can. We believe Muslims to be the agressors, ourselves to be the defenders.
Carol the 1st says
I’m sure lebel continues to scratch his head (and underarms).
Terra Nova says
Many countries are holding marches already tonight for remembrance of the killed muslims.
But no remembrance for 31.000 Christians, Yazidi women, people who got decapitated, stoned, killed for “honour, young girls mutilated, forced into marriages with old guys, all under Sharia Law and our governments are staying committing treason in the most propounded ways.
Get together with the Germans during 2nd World war has never stopped. They are waiting until they have enough men in higher positions in Congress, when that time comes, you will see how fast it will all go, we have to be prepared at all times. But there still is God, not Allah, but God. And the Jews are still the chosen people, and at a moment when you don’t expect it, all people who committed those horrendous crimes will be called in. Because why were the Jews the promised people,? Because they were the first ones who brought out, that there was only on God, they are the closing piece to all religions. And of course, Jews are not perfect, but then, nobody is. But this horrible time will come to an end. The signs are all there. We have to be patient, but it will come, but in Gods time, not ours and in the heavens there is no time, but it will happen. Keep on to your faith,Christ will be back in the worst time.
And the original Koran was given to the real prophet Muhammed who was a person like the `Christ”
And the real Koran was given to the real prophet, but written by Arch Angel Gabriel. But muslims and the false prophet did not like it, so they rewrote it. And the real Koran, nothing is left of it, it all got destroyed.
There does not exist an authentic Koran any more. I know this all sounds like mumbo jumbo to people but you will see, keep your fate, do not despair and fear not!
Savvy Kafir says
The “signs” I see are very different, Terra Nova. Your advice to be patient and allow things to unfold in God’s time sounds like a recipe for disaster. And if we’re counting on Jesus to step in and put things right, I think we’re in deep poo-poo.
I suggest we deal with real-world problems via real-world strategies & tactics.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
I suggest we deal with real-world problems via real-world strategies & tactics. Savvy
I have to agree with your sensible approach, Savvy. Terra said a few things that I agree with, but this interweaving of Jewish “end times” in with things doesn’t seem to provide any tangible, real world strategy for overcoming islamic jihad. I’m not against Judaism or Christianity, but this elitist talk of Jews as the “chosen people,” and that we should all just be “patient” and wait for “God’s time” seems to be too out of touch to be of any life-saving value. Yes, there may be a god who intervenes in history, but history has shown all too well that with islam the best defense comes from people having their minds firmly situated on planet earth, not lost in heavenly expectation. I’m sure among the millions who suffer and die for islam many had spiritual hopefulness that somehow they would be saved from islam. But divine help never comes for millions of them, instead they are beheaded, or raped, or tortured, or run out of their homes like so many others for muslim bigotry. I believe Christianity and Judaism can provide good inspiration and guidance for any who seek the best those faiths have to offer. But I much prefer real world solutions grounded in reason and experience. America isn’t the strongest nation on earth because of any religious beliefs, we are militarily great because we’re smart enough to know the best way to fight a war. And that ain’t by sitting and waiting for some god to help us, it comes from the brains and courage of our men and women who sacrifice to maintain our peace and freedoms–the very things islam threatens with its doctrines of supremacist hate against “unbelievers.”
Kay says
Even the chosen people try to protect themselves with the iron kipat.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
lol, brilliant, and so true.
Carol the 1st says
graven image said: “Note that what this shooter really wanted was to stoke strife in the West, to destabilize and polarize the West and finally to destroy individualism here.”
….
You didn’t elaborate so I guess those who haven’t read the killer’s manifesto will have to read up in order to figure out how his actions might have been supposedly designed to ‘destroy individualism’. I thought that was the bag of our wise social engineers.
gravenimage says
I’m sorry, Carol. This is part of what the shooter had to say in his twisted manifesto, on why he perpetrated the attack:
To add momentum to the pendulum swings of history, further destabilizing and polarizing Western society in order to eventually destroy the current…individualistic insanity that has taken control of Western thought.
And
Finally, to create conflict between the two ideologies within the United States on the ownership of firearms in order to further the social, cultural, political and racial divide within the United states.This conflict over the 2nd amendment and the attempted removal of firearms rights will ultimately result in a civil war that will eventually balkanize the US along political, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines.
Furthermore this balkanization will also reduce the USA’s ability to project power globally…
https://katana17.wordpress.com/2019/03/15/the-great-replacement-manifesto-of-new-zealand-mosque-shooter-mar-2019/
Lots more ugliness there.
Crusader says
The shooting was bad but it was inevitable. Strange how countries like Pakistan/Saudi Arabia are furious but when London Bridge happened, Saudi Arabia refused respect.
gravenimage says
I don’t think there was anything inevitable about an unhinged “eco-fascist” going on a rampage.
lebel says
“Of course the shooters are getting blamed for this incident, when in reality the principal responsibility lay with the politicians who created this situation with muslims in the first place. ”
Yeah, terrible that the twin towers were hit but the US brought in on itself. Remember the outrage when this was being said? now all of a sudden that logic works when its random Muslims being butchered. The typical jihadwatch double standards.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
Maybe you misunderstood me, or maybe my wording was lax. I’m saying that Western governments have encouraged this societal tension by shielding islam with lies and excuses. If you disagree with my assessment then that’s fine. But I don’t think any informed, fair minded person would deny there’s much truth in what I said.
Ole Pederson says
No. Almost all non-Muslims condemn these barbarous murders and do care about the victims. As many of the comments here prove! A psychological understanding of retaliation does not infer justification.
The difference is that after any muslim attack on non-muslims, the muslim community is silent, or if anything, the muslim side utters
(the upcoming repercussions, prejudice against all muslims, it giving islam a bad rep, yada yada). In reality, as all polls show time and again, many muslims consider violence in the name of islam justified and thus secretly support the terror against non-muslims. And just btw ISIS and other such groups do not attack non-Muslims, but all non-Muslims,There’s your double standards
Carol the 1st says
Good shot Ole! But, as usual, we’ll hear lebel’s crickets on this one.
gravenimage says
Exactly, Ole.
CogitoErgoSum says
So what sort of ideology did bring about the death and destruction on 9/11/2001 and what sort of ideology brought about he death and destruction yesterday in New Zealand? How are they different and what do they have in common? What ideology is best suited to end the death and destruction?
CogitoErgoSum says
I meant this to be a reply to Lebel’s 1:11 pm comment.
lebel says
Its anti-Muslim hatred, same as Jew hatred, same as hatred of american or hatred of infidels same as any kind of hatred against any group of people.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
Listen lebel, this ain’t about “muslim hatred,” it’s about dealing honestly with the problems in islam that are plaguing society, the misogyny, the sharia oppression, and all the murder and terror for that violent ideology. Don’t confuse genuine concern about the crime and immorality in islam for “hate.” Don’t call me or anyone else in here a “hater” because they care enough to defend freedom and to condemn the violence and bigotry in islam. I don’t hate muslims, I hate the ideology they support. I’m for muslims as much as anyone else. Yes, it’s true I get passionate about the issue and sometimes my anger spills over onto muslims a bit. And why not? They’re the ones that bring this crap in to our nations, who am I supposed to be mad at? I don’t hate anyone, I’m just disgusted, frustrated, and concerned. Sorry if that offends you. I’m human, I can’t change.
Ashley says
+1
Savvy Kafir says
Yeah … what he said!
Wellington says
You have written several fine posts on this thread, Agostino Armo Pellegrini. I applaud you.
Demsci says
Great response, Agostino.
It is anti islam, in Defense mode. Not racist. Whereas anti semitism is based on the Jewish race.
Being Muslim, choosing A radical interpretation of Islam and allegiance to violent oppressive co religionists, against non Muslim principles and supporters, that is a choice one should be held accountable for.
CogitoErgoSum says
I say again, I believe there is a difference between a human being and an ideology, For one thing, human beings have feelings while ideologies do not.
Wellington says
It’s not the same as Jew hatred, lebel, or hatred of Americans, etc. As many have tried to explain to you, it’s the ideology, it is Islam itself which is profoundly flawed, so flawed that Islam alone among the major religions of the world has been compared to two other seriously flawed ideologies, though secular ones, those being Nazism and Marxism. Bertrand Russell made such a comparison in his work of almost a century ago, The Practice and Theory of Bolzhevism.
What you will not face up to is that Islam is not just another religion. It is the turd in the punch bowl of world religions and is replete with hatred for the “other,” just as Nazism and Marxism are, with the only difference being the group or groups hated—with Islam, non-Muslims; with Nazism, certain ethnic groups; with Marxism, the socio-economic groups which are the middle and upper classes. Herein lies the essence of evil in all three of these ideologies.
I don’t care about all the nonsense Muslims believe (and it is a shitload of nonsense). What I do care about is that Islam alone among the world faiths instructs its believers to use force in this world to spread Islam throughout the world. Minus “the force factor,” Islam would be as innocuous as other major religions with the occasional fanatic violating the tenets of his creed, but with Islam what constitutes a violation of the theological blueprint of all other major faiths is actually condoned and encouraged, i.e., force in this world to insure that eventually “all religion is with Allah.” {Sura 8:39} Try addressing this unique and menacing aspect of Islam, lebel. No dodging.
James Lincoln says
Wellington,
You correctly stated (and my compliments):
“Islam alone among the world faiths instructs its believers to use force in this world to spread Islam throughout the world. Minus “the force factor,” Islam would be as innocuous as other major religions..”
I urge all Jihad Watch readers to reflect upon this statement – it is profound.
elee says
I heartily endorse “the typical jihadwatch double standards.” It is both just and realistic to expect and demand more of kafirs than of Muslims. This blog is full of 1400 years worth of reasons why that is so. I concede as did Winston Churchill that there are many admirable Muslim individuals in the world, but they are chained to a hateful and barbaric set of beliefs.
lebel says
“It’s not the same as Jew hatred, lebel, or hatred of Americans, etc. As many have tried to explain to you, it’s the ideology,”
No it’s the same, you are just trying to justify your own hatred but then everyone does that. The shooter feels the same way you do, he just decided to take action…based on your ideology or rather the logical conclusions of your ideology. Put in another way, killing Muslims because they’re Muslims is the same as killing jews because they’re jews or Americans because they’re Americans. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge this makes my point for me.
Now, there are jihadwatchers who would never hurt anyone or support violence against anyone but most given the right context and preparation would agree with violence. Just go look at any threat on the Bosnian genocide and you will hardly see any condemnation. Why? because the victims are Muslims, Muslims who carry this ideology you hate. Based on your own assessment of Islam, all the shooter did was kill a bunch of Nazis. Sure maybe there were a couple of innocent Nazis in there but they’re still Nazis.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
The shooter feels the same way you do, he just decided to take action…based on your ideology or rather the logical conclusions of your ideology. …~Lebel, the confused thinker
It looks like you’ve set up your own Straw man argument, lebel, neither Wellington nor any other welcome guest in here is advocating the murder of muslims, so it’s unfair to place our “feelings” on the same level of the murderer(s); in addition, you don’t really know the mind of the killer(s) yet as their motives are less than certain at this point, so you’re speaking off the cuff here. Also, I am not aware of any JW contributor, including Wellington, who participates in any “ideology” (your word) that advocates the terrorizing or murder of muslims. Nor is there anything in our Constitution or our Democratic principals that explicitly states that all good citizens should kill muslims. So I really don’t know what “ideology” you are referring to. So your argument seems to be little more than the unsubstantiated claim that you know Wellington feels the same way as the killer(s), and that he is acting on behalf of some “ideology,” even though you never specified what that ideology was. Maybe I missed something somewhere, but I don’t see any mention of an ideology by Wellington to bolster his views.
I believe things are quite different for muslims, however, who actively participate in the “religion” of islam, which clearly does speak of murdering and terrorizing “unbelievers,” and “idolaters” and not making friends with Christians and Jews. And by gosh, lebel, let’s at least be honest here and admit that millions have died and suffered for the ignorant and violent teachings of islam, are you willing to accept that fact? So your argument is nothing more than a stacked deck, lebel, you are conflating our justified concerns about islam with the unknown motives of some killers, and from that you infer that our motives therefore are no better than others who want to kill “Jews” or “Americans,” or anyone else. But you are wrong in a big way, lebel, we who merely act prudently and legally against islam’s jihad agenda and violence are not on the same page with killers. Speaking for myself, I am for peace, not hate and murder for any ideology. I’m not sure I can say the same about “moderate” muslims who provide all manner of support for the ideology of islam, however, which has proven itself to be the world’s greatest, most prolific killer in history, thanks in large measure to the help they provide.
Wellington says
lebel: A la Agostino Arma Pellegrini (and here I very much thank AAP for his 7:27 P.M. post defending me), exactly what ideology, lebel, is it that I adhere to that would condone the killing of unarmed Muslims simply because they are Muslims? Of all the straw men you have set up over the years in reply to me (and others), I think this is the most egregious of them all. Yes, name the damn ideology that I adhere to that would condone the killing of Muslims simply because they are Muslim.
You’re a cheap shot artist, lebel, but what is worse is that you are a rank apologist for the only religion that oozes hatred for non-believers and, per Islam’s warped religious instructions, can make non-believers second-class citizens, kill them, rape them, make them pay a special tax (jizya), et al. And you seek to deflect all this Islamic garbage (and it is garbage that stinks more terribly) by way of faux projection. You’re beneath contempt, lebel.
Meanwhile, almost 35,000 Islamic terrorist attacks worldwide just since 9/11 have occurred in the name of Islam, never mind all the tens and tens and tens of thousands of intended Islamic attacks that did not occur since 9/11 because security services across the world have thwarted them. And, lebel, how many religious terrorist attacks since 9/11 in the name of any other religion have occurred? Three? Four? Hope you get my drift.
You seek to exculpate Islam smearing others. This is how desperate you are—and how despicable you are. Well, your posts are here at JW for all to read and anyone who is not morally blind will see that the moral compass that guides you is deficient in the extreme. In your own “special” way you do a service for the cause of liberty in spite of who you are.
Done here for now.
elee says
Hey lebel, this NZ guy shot and killed human beings, not Islam. As British Muslim Maajid Nawaz said, you can’t kill a bad idea with bullets.
We have different rules than Muslims about when you shoot people. For us it has to do (mainly—–overgeneralization alert!) with bearing arms and wearing an uniform. For Muslims there is no distinction between civilian and military, man woman or child. Every Muslim is commanded to wage jihad for Allah, and no, jihad doesn’t mean struggling inside yourself, read the scripture.
The corollary is that we consider the NZ gunman reprehensible and evil and criminal because he violated our rules, and we feel that the Muslim worshippers he killed were victims of an evil and criminal act.
Conversely, when a Muslim kills infidels he has complied with and not violated their law, and the dead kafirs are not victims of any crime or evil but of their own kufar.
Like my culture I believe that under all but a very few situations it is wrong to go around shooting people. I’ve got a problem with people doing that.
I’ve got a much bigger problem with people brainwahing people to go around shooting people, or attacking them with vehicles or bombs.
gravenimage says
lebel’s claim that hating the horrors of Jihad terror is the same as hating peaceful Jews is just sick.
Kay says
And that, lebel, is the point RS makes. We stand against the violent attack in the NZ mosques. AND we should also stand against the many violent attacks against churches and innocents worldwide.
gravenimage says
+1
Carol the 1st says
We’d likely exhaust our resources and wear ourselves out attempting to do that since in the Islamic world “there’s a sucker born every minute” to the “travellin’ muzzie Supremacist Show”. We have to wonder if our politicians know that and this explains why they keep a lid on by endlessly “kicking the can down the road”.
vlparker says
Wow. An example of non-muslim mental illness. I never knew such a thing existed.
Savvy Kafir says
Thanks so much for this article, Srdja Trifkovic! It was badly needed, and very well done!
Savvy Kafir says
Thanks for posting this article, Robert! It does an excellent job of putting this incident in perspective.
CRUSADER says
Thank you from me to you Savvy Kafir !
http://www.savvykafir.com
( Savvy Kafir ~
Educating liberals who are ready to learn the truth about the “Religion of Peace”. )
CRUSADER says
“Let’s prove them wrong! Let’s do everything in our power to ensure that democracy, liberty,
critical thinking, human rights, and basic human decency will dominate the world,
instead of barbarism, misogyny, ignorance, and superstition.”
CRUSADER says
To Wellington’s previous point about Jihadism/Islam:
….victims of jihadism, which is the most murderous ideology in human history, incomparably more lethal than Bolshevism and National Socialism combined….
Wellington says
I agree, CRUSADER, if you are dealing in sheer numbers but Bolshevism and Nazism did their “bit” and then some when the short span of their existences are taken into account compared to the 1400 year record that “distinguishes” Islam. Well, all three are malevolent and it just so happens that one of these three has existed for a far longer time. Understand, I’m not disagreeing with you, just pointing out a key distinction between these three iniquities—the time factor. Where pure evil is concerned I am disinclined to establish gradations among the malevolencies in question.
Hope you are doing well. I enjoy reading your comments here at JW. They’re on point time after time.
Carol the 1st says
I didn’t care at all for this comment:
““Islam alone among the world faiths instructs its believers to use force in this world to spread Islam throughout the world. Minus “the force factor,” Islam would be as innocuous as other major religions..”
…..
Such things as swaddling women in garbage bags, parceling them out, depriving them of autonomy and depriving their little girls of sexual safety plus their intimate organs, making humans waste time in OCD exercises, cursing others etc. would not be “spreading Islam through the world” but these things certainly show that non-forceful Islam would definitely NOT be as innocuous as other major religions. I guess it would take some male asleep at the wheel to come up with such an insensitive oversight!
gravenimage says
Carol, all of the Islamic horrors against women are backed up by violence–FGM, forced veiling, forced marriage, child marriage, wife beating, “Honor Killing”, and stoning women to death.
Without force and the threat of force Islam in most cases would not get very far.
Don Ameche says
Maybe it’s just me. But I see Bolshevism-Socialism and islam as essentially the same. Destructive fascist ideologies intent on the complete destruction of the individual and total control through physical and economic means.
gravenimage says
They are both totalitarian.
CRUSADER says
Globalist socialist narrative allied philosophically with Muslim extremist imperialist expansionist goals….
(similarity during the WW2 alliances)
Thus reporting gets skewed….
“Terrorist” vs “Militants” as terminology.
New Zealand massacre – shooter’s motive? Manifesto he posted was taken down.
CIA stationer Brad Johnson’s analysis is accurate based on the information in the manifesto.
(Video is about 20 minutes long. Watch it smartly.)
https://bit.tube/play?hash=QmVh1nxEZ23Qvrf9nRaEZDQ138FdZEdUwh5VUpTmvMLEvw&channel=251530
thebigW says
anybody got a link to the manifesto?
Ashley says
https://katana17.wordpress.com/2019/03/15/the-great-replacement-manifesto-of-new-zealand-mosque-shooter-mar-2019/
Wellington says
Thanks for that link, Ashley. I read through a good bit of this guy’s manifesto. Reading it reminded me of reading Mein Kampf, which can make a perfectly clear and reasonable point on one page but on the very next page you will come across a statement which is completely bonkers and not just in left field but three blocks beyond the ball park. Mein Kampf and this guy’s manifesto also betoken the traditional Christian view of Satan, to wit, that he often mixes truths with lies which only makes him all the more menacing—and powerful. A document which would be completely devoid of the truth would be far less injurious, much more innocuous.
In any case, there can be no doubt this guy is a white supremacist. His favorite historical figure most aligned with his own viewpoints by his own admission is Oswald Mosley, who founded the British Union of Fascists (BUF) in 1932. This man is also an environmental nut and treats certain hypotheses as axioms, for example that the world is suffering from overpopulation. I would assert that this is not correct and that the world is suffering from too many stupid economic policies, too many tyrannies (including Islam), too many national control freaks (also known as dictators), too many wars and other rot along these lines. What he really misses is that race and ethnicity are not key, rather character coupled with common sense are (which totalitarian ideologies like Nazism, Marxism and Islam gravely mitigate against).
Well, he’s a nut-job all right, arguably an intelligent nut-job but a nut-job nonetheless. Thanks again for that link. I would recommend to others reading what this guy has to say, assuming of course that you can stand it. I was able to somewhat but no way entirely.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Ashley. He is a self-described “eco-fascist” who hates democracy and freedom and admires Communist China. He threatens Communists, then says he admires them–largely incoherent.
He is not just a loser, but a vicious homicidal loser.
I’ve read about half–I’ll read the rest of this ugly claptrap tomorrow.
gravenimage says
A few more points re this “manifesto”–he loves Sir Oswald Mosley, the Briton who betrayed his nation to the Fascists.
He also wants to destabilize society for its own sake, even saying “canvas public areas in support of radical positions, even if they are not your own”.
He openly rejects reason, and the above confirms this.
He also, unsurprisingly, hates free trade, and harks back to some fantasy “eco-fascism”. He openly wants to see a West that cannot compete economically with the rest of the world.
He never really says why he thinks the West would be safer kept poverty-stricken and poorer than the rest of the world. But–again–there is little that is rational in this ugly piece.
Georg says
Strange that this creep saying he’s doing it for white nationalism gets his actions pinned to white nationalism but other creeps doing misdeeds for a group called Islamic State gets nothing pinned to Islam.
Savvy Kafir says
That is strange, isn’t it? Islam is the Teflon ideology. Nothing sticks to it. Nothing negative, anyway, among the mainstream sheeple.
Mirren10 says
”Strange that this creep saying he’s doing it for white nationalism gets his actions pinned to white nationalism but other creeps doing misdeeds for a group called Islamic State gets nothing pinned to Islam.”
Excellent point, Georg.
gravenimage says
True, Georg.
thebigW says
“Six years ago in these pages I defined jihadophilia as a mental disorder affecting members of the Western (including Anglo-Antipodean) elite class,”
Not just the elites. if this was just the elites doin’ this crap ’cause of this mental disorder, the West wouldn’t have as big a problem as it’s got.
celia1000 says
I agree that these murders were savage and heinous. I don’t understand at all why the killer thought this would be a good thing to do for his cause, and really don’t understand how he could make his hand raise the gun and shoot people who were just standing around in hallways, or lying wounded on the ground. I completely agree that the non-Muslim world has a big problem on our hands, but sinking to such a brutal level is, first of all, completely unjustified under any terms. Second of all, on a political level, how could it have been conceived to have been an effective action to take for any purpose? So now they’ll have more gun control laws passed. Only insane people would side with the killer and applaud his action. Did the killer think that his murders would reduce the number of potential immigrants? If you were to ask most people from anywhere in the world where they’d rather live, Baghuz or Christchurch, I guarantee you that even today, a day out from the massacre, nearly everyone would sensibly choose Christchurch. I think it was mainly sadism seeking any excuse for an outlet.
elee says
“Sadism seeking any excuse for an outlet” as opposed to what the Muslim scriptures command (mostly in vain) of every Muslim. See my note above about the “double standard.” Better things are to be expected of us who were not raised in hatred and barbarism. We cannot descend to their level.
Compare this blog and this thread with the Muslim press. No one here has said that the New Zealand events were good or desirable or anything but regrettable. When Muslims kill and destroy their press, their preachers, their scriptures, and a few westerners applaud.
lebel says
Actually, what most people are saying is something like this “yes it’s horrible what happened BUT islam is also horrible” which is exactly the same as “Yes it’s horrible what happened but America did lots of bad things”. The first one is totally fine for jihadwatchers while the latter is outrageous is disgusting.
gravenimage says
lebel has made it clear here many times that he has no problem with Jihad savagery.
Wellington says
There’s no equivalency, lebel, between American civilization, with all its faults, and the Islamic world. For starters, America has explored the limits of freedom while the Islamic world has limited liberty extensively so Just look at the contemporary scene for confirmation of this.
There is also the matter that America has manifested an overwhelming capacity to apologize for its wrongdoings. When has the Islamic world apologized for anything, even though it has so much to apologize for?
America has also been the savior of the world over the past century—think WWI, WWII, the Cold War, et al.—while the Islamic world has never served as savior during this same time period—or ever.
America established long ago the noteworthy separation of church and state. The Islamic world is most deficient here.
America, because of freedom, has risen to great heights. The Islamic world, most particularly because of a dearth of freedom, continues to languish and parasitically feed off the accomplishments of others, much as it has from the seventh century onwards.
And this is just for starters, lebel, respecting the contrast between America, a la Lincoln the last best hope of mankind, versus a la Mohammed the longest lasting tyranny over mankind.
You won’t get any of this, but for the record I thought I would state it nonetheless. Yeah, for the record. And I ask you this: If you could entrust the fate of mankind over the next hundred years to America or the Islamic world, no other choices available, whom are you choosing, lebel?
thebigW says
I agree with celia, this was not only a horrible act it was stupid too, giving ammunition to all the Westerners who are in denial about the dangers of Islam, always worrying about a “backlash” that never came. Now they’ll crow about this for years.
Kay says
Yes, and see Wellington’s comment after reading the manifesto. A mixture of truth and lies (or twisted truth) is the most damaging, points to the traditional view that it is inspired by satan.
DogOnPorch says
Al Wala’ Wal Bara might have just a wee bit to do with this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Wala%27_Wal_Bara%27
Islam makes its bed and sleeps soundly…thinking it has a monopoly on hate. Well, surprise.
somehistory says
cair and other propaganda groups for islam don’t care about the victims…they will just use this terrorism to further the goals of islam. They will not call for moslims to tone down the calls for terror, murder, death and hatred of non moslims. They will not see that sometimes people do see that islam is evil and have no morals against taking the law into their own hands. They will not point out that it was not because of those against terrorism that this happened, but instead, will use it as a tool against those who speak out against terrorism.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
They will not point out that it was not because of those against terrorism that this happened, but instead, will use it as a tool against those who speak out against terrorism.
That’s right, and like all good propagandists they will ignore the facts that hurt their dissembling cause, lie when they can, and distort any piece of information that might conceal the truth about their subversive desires. CAIR doesn’t have the guts to be honest about the horrifying problems within islam that hurt and kill so many, instead they are fully dedicated to the role of propagandist at the expense of our freedoms and peace. If they showed even half the concern about muslim crimes as they do about the imagined wrongs against them the world would experience a new renaissance of truth and peace. But that’s expecting too much of them, the pain of looking within at their own moral deficiencies and murderous doctrines is simply too much for them to bear. It can be hard to look at oneself sometimes, especially if you’re sure you won’t like what you see. I’m referring to their sharia madness, the misogyny and all the terror so many muslims do, their murder of gays and Christians for religious bigotry, the FGM, the honor killings, and the violent elements in their religious doctrines that inspire it all, and so on and so on… So your assessment is so on the money, Somehistory, just like sh*t runs downhill so will CAIR continue to be a front for the worst aspirations of islam, which is the destruction of freedom and democracy for their supremacist religion. That’s how I see it, the facts speak for their self.
somehistory says
Agostino Armo Pellegrini
Thank you.
gravenimage says
This has already started:
“Hamas-linked CAIR exploits New Zealand massacre to try to shut down opposition to jihad terror”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/03/hamas-linked-cair-exploits-new-zealand-massacre-to-try-to-shut-down-opposition-to-jihad-terror
dan christensen says
The perpetrator(s) attack in New Zealand was in fact not ‘terror’ – it was, at least according to their own manifesto, ‘counterterror’; which is defined as intended to prevent terrorism.
The perpetrator(s) were not hiding in a big truck, mowing dozens of people down, cutting their throats, or burning them alive – the muslim terrorists’ preferred modus operandi.
Muslims would be more readily admitted to the human race, if they proactively fought together with Christians to erase muslim terrorism from the earth. Let CAIR, the Muslim Brotherhood and the international islamic organisations report how many islamic terrorist attacks, they annually have prevented.
When a moral standard is good, double standards are twice as good.
gravenimage says
There is no moral basis for excusing this attack.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
There is no moral basis for excusing this attack.~Graven
Actually, I bet there are some who might disagree with you on that, though I’m not one of them.
Go ask some folks who have had a relative get their head cut off by a crazed jihadist, or their kid raped by ISIS, or someone driven from their home because of muslim intolerance and bigotry and find out what their opinion is on the matter. These people may feel a little differently about things, to them the “war” is all too real. When the allies bombed Germany in the 40’s were not many of the “victims” law abiding citizens whose worst crime was to wave a Swastika with enthusiasm, or give money to support the party? Yet countless thousands were killed by the allies, and it was thought “just” by those who did the killing. If you think I’m trying to justify this New Zealand shooter then you’re wrong, I’m dead against it. But I’ve come to accept that what islam brings to the table is nothing less than an attack on humanity, and that those who partake of its dish are beginning to seem more and more like those “innocent” Germans of WWII. Killing or terrorizing innocent people does not seem the best way to achieve peace to me. But sometimes tragedies like this result in positive change. Maybe now leftist leaders will begin to understand what their own bad actions regarding islam are doing, their lies and attacks on free speech and freedom for islam. Non-muslims are people too, and if they push too far then of course nuts like this New Zealand shooter and wackos like Breivik are going to crawl out of the woodwork. I abhor violence like most other normal people, but it’s like one famous Youtuber said, “Violence is grossly underrated.” For 1400 years it’s been working for islam, that’s why so many kowtow to their demands. God or nature has design a dangerous and violent world for us to live in. I’m all for peace, but every war must have its battles. In time of war “morality” is just a seven letter word. Only the winners are “morally” justified in the end, the losers are always portrayed as evil doers. That’s the way the game is typically played, it soothes our conscience and helps the victors sleep better at night.
Nothing profound or contentious here, Graven, just musing out loud.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
Oooops, “morality” has eight letters, not seven like I said. So much for sounding wise and intelligent, lol.
kuriakose says
Agostino, what you stated is part of human nature. We always see after the conclusion of any war, the victors usually take revenge on their adversaries as they see fit-torture, abuse, rape etc That is the unfortunate human response. No amount of human laws like the Geneva conventions can check such atrocities. Maybe only if a greater love is engraved in our hearts as per Christian teachings.
Years and years of abuse, especially if unchecked, finally leads to retaliatory actions, and that simply is inevitable. The western authorities have to shoulder great blame for minimising muslim abuses like jihadi attacks, rapes etc. Even pretending it doesn’t exist, and shutting down justified crticism of islam.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
Years and years of abuse, especially if unchecked, finally leads to retaliatory actions, and that simply is inevitable. The western authorities have to shoulder great blame for minimising muslim abuses like jihadi attacks, rapes etc. Even pretending it doesn’t exist, and shutting down justified criticism of islam.
Thanks, Kuriakose, I think you understand what I’m trying to say. It’s apparent to me that a new consciousness has developed among non-muslims of the world. It is finally sinking in just how influential islamic culture and religion has been in terrorizing the world, past and present. We all live in fear now for what muslims are doing against our societies and people. In some places these attacks are subtle and less apparent, in other areas deadly and war-like. Despite this, I don’t think it’s best to simply lump all muslims in with the worst killers, that ain’t right. But I do believe the world needs to engage in some serious and urgent dialogue about the uncomfortable facts of islam, and to also be honest about the role so-called “moderate” muslims play in disseminating and supporting the very doctrines that threaten our democratic peace and freedoms. All sides of this issue need to engage with more honesty and good will, bold face lying will get us no where. Just because someone was born into a muslim family doesn’t mean they are automatically “bad,” I realize this. But this is no excuse to ignore the reality of their participation in what ails us. Nobody is perfect on earth, not Jews, nor Christians, or muslims. All I ask of the left is, grant our feelings and thoughts a fair hearing. We aren’t bigots for speaking ugly facts about islam, we aren’t haters for talking about the violence it glorifies as godly truth. Make some effort to see things from our POV, don’t shut us out like we don’t matter. Such treatment will only result in more death and suffering for all, I’m sure of this.
elee says
Applause for the postings of both AAP and kuriakose in this thread. Observing that violence begets violence does not constitute praise or excuse for violent assaults on innocent noncombatants. It is simply an observation. In our culture responsibility for one’s decisions regarding unlawful violence rests with the individual.
Those who grew up in a culture that encourages individual responsibility come to this decision with huge advantages. Those who have memorized and obeyed e.g. Koran 33:37 come with a corresponding disadvantage. It is more understandable that they should revert to violence. Our expectations of them are not and should not be the same as what we expect of westerners.
Our expectation of people’s social behaviour is a moral judgment that only enters into the practical question of maintaining an organised, peaceful and interdependent society when they get enacted into criminal codes. Does the objective fact that Muslim culture denies people their full individual development excuse criminal violence? Not in a society that wants to remain peaceful, tolerant and civilised. Even the children of turbulent and abusive homes are required to obey the laws against violent acts against others or else suffer a predefined consequence. While the impoverishment of a billion and a half lives is regrettable, it can’t excuse their jihad”ism,” which remains an organised violent criminal conspiracy. Nor should it allow them to claim some form of “insanity” because they got force-fed this poison until at least adulthood. Children of Nazis don’t get to do this, children of Muslims shouldn’t either.
No excuse for the NZ guy or for Muslim murderers anywhere in the world.
gravenimage says
Agostino, I disagree that standing against Fascism is only considered moral because the Allies won.
Democracy and freedom *really are* morally superior to Fascism. Good people don’t just believe this because the Allies won and somehow made the poor Nazis look bad.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
Agostino, I disagree that standing against Fascism is only considered moral because the Allies won.
Democracy and freedom *really are* morally superior to Fascism. Good people don’t just believe this because the Allies won and somehow made the poor Nazis look bad.
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You’re right, Graven, I think our democracy is superior to fascism. But if the allies had lost 70 years ago there’s a good chance many in Western Europe and perhaps America too would be defending fascism for the same reason, and they’d be saying it in German.
gravenimage says
True, Agostino.
Carol the 1st says
Agostino…I found this shrewd and bordering on profound:
“But I’ve come to accept that what islam brings to the table is nothing less than an attack on humanity, and that those who partake of its dish are beginning to seem more and more like those “innocent” Germans of WWII.”
gravenimage says
kuriakose wrote:
Agostino, what you stated is part of human nature. We always see after the conclusion of any war, the victors usually take revenge on their adversaries as they see fit-torture, abuse, rape etc That is the unfortunate human response.
………………..
Actually, the Allies did *not* do this after WWII. Have you never heard of the Marshall Plan?
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
Agostino…I found this shrewd and bordering on profound:
“But I’ve come to accept that what islam brings to the table is nothing less than an attack on humanity, and that those who partake of its dish are beginning to seem more and more like those “innocent” Germans of WWII.”
Carol
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Honestly, I don’t think I’ve ever said anything profound in my whole life. But I accept your compliment graciously. 🙂
Sometimes I look back on old comments of mine and I cringe, and swear I’m never going to open my big dumb mouth again. Other times I think, Hey, that’s not bad! I find that my best stuff comes from simply speaking from the heart and staying in touch with my true self. When I get too egotistical about it and try to sound smarter than I am or entertain others with the wit I don’t have is when I fail miserably. But somewhere in the middle of it all I really do care about the issue. I think all my disdain for religion in general (shhhhh, don’t tell anyone I said that) gets vented on islam, and it’s deserved. I really do despise that ideology and think it’s as evil as Nazism, no, worse. I don’t feel guilty about speaking against it one bit, though sometimes I feel guilty about how I express it. I’m learning, every word counts, every syllable, every letter. One misplaced word or poorly written sentence can make one look like a fool or a bigot, or an insincere jacka$$ All I can do is try my best, and learn as I go. Keep doing your good work, you put out fine posts. Thanks.
Ade Fegan says
Tragedy
gravenimage says
New Zealand murders: repercussions and perspective
The savage and heinous terrorist attacks on the mosques in New Zealand are being and will be used to try to silence all criticism of jihad terror and Sharia oppression of women and others.
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Grimly, this sums it up. Who cares about those almost 35,000 Jihad terror attacks? Christchurch…
Wellington says
Indeed, gravenimage. Which points to one of the worst idiocies of our time, courtesy first and foremost of the Western elites in the media, academia and in the political realm, to wit, Muslim lives are worth far more than the lives of non-Muslims.
Anyone disputing this reality proffered by me is either manifesting their ignorance or their mendacity. Not even a close call.
gravenimage says
Grimly spot on.
Islamaphone says
Where’s the protestations that most white supremacists aren’t terrorists? …and that only a tiny minority of right-wingers are extremists? Where’s the reluctance to examine the terrorist’s manifesto? Where’s the presidential decree that Islamophobia is a Phobia of Peace?
Islamaphone says
…and I plum forgot the dire warnings of a back-lash against the non-Muslim community.
somehistory says
Islamaphone
++2
At some point, it was decided that these couldn’t be said…only moslims are “worthy.” If there is a group of “white nationalists” and one of their members commits a mass killing, there can be no cry of “not all’ ,,,and this mass killing doesn’t create a “back lash” …just a protection of moalim barracks everywhere because now all of them are in danger.
Kay says
I heard they increased police protection at “places of worship” in my city today.
Never heard about such a thing after any one of the many attacks on churches worldwide or after the attack on the synagogue last year.
commonsense says
Earlier today, on television, I saw a photo of one of the uninjured worshippers at the targeted mosques. He wore flowing robes and had a henna red-dyed beard, sans mustache. He was unidentified, but may have been an imam. Regardless, his attire and beard spoke volumes….he was, in effect, screaming that he was a True Believer, a Salafist. His red beard, dyed in emulation of his prophet, indicated that he was a full-bore supporter of Shari’a and jihad; and an enemy of the very country in which he now resides. He undoubtedly despises the “man-made” laws of New Zealand, and its Enlightenment-derived rejection of the primacy of any one religion. One would reasonably assume that he loathes Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, and all other faiths but Islam, and inveighs against all of them, either in word, thought, or deed. Let us not forget that during their five daily prayers, the first sura – the Fatiha, which is a condemnation of Jews and Christians – is uttered seventeen times every twenty four hours. The shootings occurred on Friday, at the Jumaa prayer, during which the imam delivers the weekly khutba. What, one wonders, was the subject of this week’s sermon, or for that matter the sermon of the week before, or the week before that? Cannily, the Linwood and al-Noor Mosques, it seems, keep these off their respective Facebook pages, based upon my efforts to discover this information. But the hijabbed women and the man with the henna-dyed beard and their like-minded cohorts who attend these mosques strongly suggest that the contents of these khutbas would be quite disturbing to any non-Muslim. These Muslims are enemies, whose message, through their attire, is clear enough, but no one is paying attention. And no one in authority, or in the media, or elsewhere, cares enough to eavesdrop on what is actually preached, and taught, at these mosques. Instead, those whose long-term goal is to Islamize New Zealand, which has so insanely and recklessly welcomed and succored those who wish to destroy it, are portrayed as victims. It is a great pity that inaction, ignorance, and cowardice on the part of those in government have resulted In vigilantism and bloodshed, since, as Trifkovic correctly points out, this will backfire. But what can be done to save civilized countries from encroaching Islamization if none of them are even willing to recognize and acknowledge what is happening?
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
Very insightful and brilliantly stated. I believe you tapped into the fearful psyche of so many non muslims with your view of things. And you’re right, few if any in authority seem to care about the doctrines taught in those mosques, doctrines that obviously encourage mass violence, social unrest, and conflict between nations. Do muslims explicitly and verbally voice those violent teachings every single day in mosques and among themselves? Probably not, no more than the KKK has to constantly reaffirm their hatred of blacks or others they deem “inferior” to themselves (which is somewhat humorous, since most KKK members I’ve ever heard are some of the dumbest people I’ve ever listened to). Islamic jihad is 1400 years old, violence and supremacist hate in islam is as certain as death and taxes to anyone with an ounce of reason in their heads. Now we all have to sit and listen to a whole new round of unruly debate about gun control and suppression of free speech, none of which will do one bit of good concerning islam’s jihad agenda. We’ll all be unarmed and muffled in speech while islam grows bigger every day until they take over completely. Then it’s good night civilization and hello religious tyranny like in the Middle Ages. Brrrrrrrr…. that’s sounds like an Ice Age to me, with a lot of religious stupidity and murder thrown in.
commonsense says
Thank you, Agostino.
Michael Copeland says
commonsense refers to “….what is actually preached, and taught, at these mosques”
Here are some candidates:
Koran 9:5. Kill unbelievers wherever you find them
“Islam is a religion of blood for the infidels …
Islam says: kill all of the unbelievers … Kill them. Put them to the sword”. Khomeini
9:5 Capture them .. besiege them, lie in wait
8:12 strike off their heads and.. every fingertip
8:39 Fight and kill the unbelievers until all the governance is Islamic
“Muslims must kill non-muslims wherever they are unless they convert to Islam” Ali Gomaa
“Conversion to Islam or death” Al Baghdadi
“Christians must convert to Islam” Abu Qaqa of Boko Haram
“Kill the Christians” Imam in Egypt
“Jews and Christians are filthy. Their lives and property can be taken in jihad by the muslims”.
Yaser Qadhi, Tennessee
“…as for the Jews, you kill them physically.” Abdullah al-Faisal, Undercover Mosque C4
“Violence is the heart of Islam” Ayatollah Yazdi
There is a recurrent theme.
Michael Copeland says
Remember the Baghdad Church attack of October 2010.
58 Christians were murdered in their place of worship: 78 were maimed or wounded.
They were killed by muslims acting out the instructions in the Koran..
Heather says
They’ll be with allah now and the 76 or so virgins, won’t they?
Savvy Kafir says
72 virgins. 76? That would be silly. No one would fall for that.
Robin Datta says
If all 50 deceased were male, the Qureish deity would hawe to rustle up 3600.
Philip Damon says
Folks, here is some ammunition to counter the propaganda that the Far Left is putting out concerning what happened in Christchurch. I saved the manifesto with the only purpose in mind of refuting them.
The AP just wrote a hit piece on President Trump stating that the murderer supports him. The truth is this:
quote: “Were/are you a supporter of Donald Trump?
As a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose? Sure. As a policy maker and leader? Dear god no.”
Concerning the claims that he is a Christians – quote:
“Were/are you a christian?
That is complicated.
When I know, I will tell you.”
He is not a Christian.
Concerning Gun control:
quote: “Won’t your attack result in calls for the removal of gun rights from Whites in the United states?
Yes, that is the plan all along, you said you would fight to protect your rights and the constitution, well soon will come the time.”
“Won’t your attack result in calls for the removal of gun rights in the New Zealand?
The gun owners of New Zealand are a beaten, miserable bunch of baby boomers, who have long since given up the fight.When was the last time they won increased rights? Their loss was inevitable.I just accelerated things a bit.
They had long since lost their cities, take a look at Auckland. Did you really expect they would not also lose their rights?”
Save this, copy and paste and pass it on. I also posted this on my Facebook account it may soon be deleted as a result!
A special note to any law enforcement officials reading this: I abhor what this murderer did! I oppose it with every fiber in my being. However, I know that certain political organizations will attempt to twist this man’s words, so I saved this only to refute the lies that I knew were going to come out, and already are.
I am protected by the 1st Amendment of the United States Constitution for my freedom of speech. None of this is done in support of this man nor his actions. I in no way agree with what he has posted in his “manifesto.”
somehistory says
Philip Damon
thank you for posting it. I had read some of it when the news stories first hit the web, but I didn’t copy or save any of it.
He sounds very much like he wanted to make trouble for White people, esp those who appreciate the 2nd Amendment, and everyone who appreciates the First, knowing what kind of outcry there would be if he killed moslims instead of White people or Christians or Jews.
peter says
How strange that none of the popular media is wondering about the mental make up /illness of the perpetrator which is the first thing the left wing media ponder about whenever the criminal happens to be muslim . They have already branded him as a racist and how he pre -planned everything . The day these media people are held accountable along with their political partners who are fooling people and forcing islam down their throat will be the day of new beginning in the world
Savvy Kafir says
Peter — I hope that day isn’t too far off. They should all be sent to live in Muslim-majority countries, so they can get a good, close look at the people and the religion they have so much respect for.
tgusa says
“The ruling elites and their media cohorts all over the Western world will have a field day equating “violent extremism” (which has nothing to do with “true Islam,” of course) with the neo-nazi, right-wing, white, Christian-inspired racism, xenophobia, Islamophobia, and all other traits of the deplorables; and yes, it will be Trump’s fault to boot.”
The ruling elites and their media cohorts all over the Western world are the front men for the Islamic jihad and so it continues unabated.
Jihadists have an entire book that obligates them to pursue jihad against all non muslims but Trump or others point this out and its Trump and all those evil others fault.
Americans that I talk to that are not leftists all say the same thing, they want a divorce from the leftists, an ideological segregation and they are serious about that.
For me, in order to achieve some small amount of peace of mind in this world, I agree.
The ruling elites and their media cohorts all over the Western world along with their fellow travelers deserve to live the rest of their miserable lives as dhimmis among the muslims. I have had enough.
Mysterex says
One New Zealand site that frequently carries items critical of Islam, has already been deplatformed – despite no-one condoning the violence.
Savvy Kafir says
That is messed up! These Islam-friendly totalitarians busy squashing free speech seem to have no idea that they’re making desperate, violent actions against Muslims MORE likely.
gravenimage says
Very concerning.
Marigold says
Thankyou Robert for putting the Christchurch attack in perspective and suppying us with the figures.It must have been a terrifying experience for those praying inside the mosques.No matter what your opinion of Islam is no one deserve to die like that.
The evil man that did this has not done anyone any favours with his vile,cruel act.
1.He has provided the left wing media, polititians and people with bullets to fire at conservatives and ,Christians, especially the born again variety .
2.He has also given militant Islamists more cause to seek revenge as if they needed it.
3.He has given moderate Muslims more cause to become bitter and feel even more alienated.
4.He has fuelled the hatred and hopes of extreme right wing nationalists and fascists with his daring and successful operation.
It really is sad times we are living in.Then the polititians try and convince us that multi -culturalism works
dan christensen says
Evil provokes more evil. When muslims attack the Western civilization with cowardly attacks with more intensity, it must mean that forces in islam are trying to challenge the Western culture and destroy it.
They do it, because they are too dumb to comprehend the extent of Western military might.
Mekka could be completely erased from the surface of the earth with a few airstrikes – and goodbye islam.
If Western politicians let their own countries be dragged into to islamic quagmire slowly and deadly, the last resort to regain freedom could be to do a “Hiroshima” in Mekka to exterminate the darkest force that ever infested the earth. The alternative could be a prolonged religious world war, which also comprises civil wars as the West has invited millions of muslims to occupy Christian countries.
There was a reason for the Americans to end the Japanese aggression the way they did. It was the least costly way in human lives to end it.
gravenimage says
Mekka could be completely erased from the surface of the earth with a few airstrikes – and goodbye islam.
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This is, of course, ridiculous. The Ka’aba has been damaged or destroyed several times, and this has never stopped the spread of Islam.
Savvy Kafir says
Marigold (nice name!) — The battle-lines were already drawn before this attack. Muslims drew them, in accordance with the mandates of their religion. And ignorant, politically correct sheeple decided years ago to throw in with the Allah junkies.
Cunamarra says
Oddly enough I haven’t been swamped with stories in the media of how Westerners now suddenly feel threatened by the sure to come racist and anti-Western backlash and how nazis are the real victims.
Savvy Kafir says
That is curious, isn’t it? — considering that it’s been done dozens of times in the media’s pandering to Muslims, after lethal jihadi attacks on non-Muslims throughout the West.
na says
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Uprising_of_1876
Last week in France 2 french men were kidnapped by Isis suspects. Media is silent!!!!!
Crusades Were Right says
Usually, the Western media LIONIZE those who use violence to oppose colonialism in their countries…
…with ONE glaring exception, of course.
Savvy Kafir says
Good point!
Crusades Were Right says
Thanks, SK!
Naildriver says
Are these people that resort to violence and charge into a mosque really the most ‘heineous’ and culpable for these slaughters? Are these sorts of crimes not a certain outcome of the incompatibility of Islam with Western societies?
Most mass murder to date are committed by devotees to Islam, and I expect most that follow will also be of Islamic motivation and devotion –and there will certainly be many more such incidences. Spencer is correct to force that our freedoms are threatened with each such slaughter — and this reactionary one will certainly hasten the process for calls from corrupt politicians for abridgment of speech and and denial of firearms etc. But who is responsible? I say the responsible are those who conspire to bring in Muslims for cheap labor, venal interests, political interests or some deliberate intention of spreading Islam among non- Muslims.
Islam is an enemy! not just to New Zealanders, and Christians of the West, atheists, gays women, but all Mankind.
Savvy Kafir says
You hit the nail on the head, Naildriver.
elee says
+1 Naildriver & SK
gravenimage says
No–this shooter described himself as a Fascist who wants to sow discord in the West. He hates freedom and democracy and has said that he wants to destroy them, as well as destroying our economies. na.
The country he most admires is oppressive Communist China.
Indiana Tom says
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2019/03/15/new-zealand-shooter-hopes-for-u-s-civil-war-conservatism-is-dead-thank-god/
I see everything is going according to plan.
gravenimage says
Yes–ugly stuff.
drk says
I came across a YT video about muslims who lives in Sweden and supports isis and violence that comes with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZBKxi6CwnY
it is extremely frightening what muslim from Sweden says about his religion and I am dumbstruck of inability of eu govt’s doing absolutely anything about it !
Robin Datta says
One point to take away from this episode is that the teachings such as “strike the neck” and “kill them wherever you find them” must be rejected along with those who fail to overtly renounce such teachings. Also the vehicle in which the teachings are contained nust be rejected and denounced until such time that by consensus its adherents edit those passages out.
elee says
The whole scripture, or any and all parts of it, could quite well be fiction. It was composed at a later date by interested parties who made sure to burn any fragments that told a different story.
Carol the 1st says
If the crisped fragments came from Moe’s heart we must count our blessings to be sure.
Doreen Tan says
There will be more deaths and sufferings as long as immigrants are of different religion and culture. The only way to stop all these deaths and suffering is for all Christians, Buddhist, Hindus, muslims to live with their own kind. Do not mix. This mean that muslims should not go and live in Western Christian countries. What is their real agenda for their living in a Christians when they always claim discrimination!! I believe there will be peace and harmony on earth as long as only people of the same kind (religion, culture) live together. Please God let it be so
somehistory says
fredoniahead
I recall the guy who supposedly made a film about the ‘fake prophet” that was offensive to hillary and the o…so much that they put the guy in prison. Of course, they said it was because he wasn’t supposed to get on the internet while on parole/probation, but that seemed to be a fabrication just so they could get around the First Amendment.
Whatever they need to do to get around Any of the Laws, Any of the Amendments…they will do.