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New Zealand teen faces 14-year jail term for sharing massacre video

Mar 19, 2019 7:30 am By Christine Douglass-Williams

The attack on the mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand was wrong and despicable. That said, it must also be affirmed that all lives matter equally. In Western societies, Muslim lives are equal to those of Christians, Jews, atheists, gays, and everyone else. There is no legal superiority of Muslims over infidels in Western law. But Muslim Brotherhood groups and Islamic jihadists, as well as their Western enablers, constantly assume the supremacy of Islam and Muslims over all other belief systems and groups, in keeping with Sharia.

A report just emerged to the effect that a “New Zealand man is facing charges as police continue to ask the public not to share video of the Christchurch terrorist attack,” and that was not the only case. In another, an 18-year-old faces 14 years in jail for sharing the video. The youth is also said to have been inciting violence, and he should face the consequences for that. But does his punishment fit the crime? 14 years in jail for sharing a video and incitement, while jihadists who have murdered and tortured for al Qaeda and the Islamic State are roaming free in the UK and elsewhere. Also, have authorities gone after mosques that call for the killing of Jews and Internet incitement against Jews and other infidels? Hardly.

It is troubling that authorities are not making the same strenuous efforts against the jihad that they make when Muslims are attacked. Instead, it is increasingly difficult even to discuss jihad openly. Jihad attacks in the West, and against Israel, against Christians and Yazidis, and against every other infidel and apostate worldwide should be able to be discussed civilly in open debates among all citizens, and this should be encouraged by politicians and other leaders, as well as by the media, but this is not happening. Citizens are being told to shut their mouths and essentially to accept the jihad mission to conquer infidels violently and stealthily.

A case in point about this double standard is the fact that while the Sharia police is out hunting down anyone — from those perceived to be inciting violence to those who merely do not use the right words in condemning the attack as “Islamophobic” (the expression “anti-Muslim bigotry” just won’t do) — there has been scant discussion about important information regarding the same mosque where most of the shootings took place: the Al Noor mosque. A 2014 article entitled “Christchurch mosque linked to al-Qaida suspect” stated:

A Christchurch mosque has been linked to the drone killing of New Zealand al-Qaida suspect Daryl Jones. The parents of an Australian killed alongside Jones say their son was taught radical Islam in Christchurch, where he also met Mr Jones…..His parents, Neill and Bronwyn Dowrick, say their son told them he was first taught radical Islam at the Al Noor mosque in Addington.

The bullying of anyone who calls out jihad for what it is has reached totalitarian levels. Anyone who does not kowtow as a dhimmi before jihadists and Islamic supremacists will now be taken to the woodshed, including people who are not part of the counter-jihad movement. Leftists and Islamic supremacists have succeeded in defaming and silencing counter-jihadists, and now they are going after anyone who may have inadvertently failed to appease them.

Take, for example in Canada, where Conservative opposition leader Andrew Scheer has been sensitive about the New Zealand mosque shootings. But because he failed to use the preferred words demanded by Islamic supremacists and their Leftist enablers, he was harshly criticized. Scheer posted on Twitter and Facebook that “freedom has come under attack” and referred to “peaceful worshippers” and the “despicable act of evil.” But his statement was not enough to serve the new guardians of acceptable discourse. He was savaged for not including the words “Islamophobia” or “Muslim.” The National Council of Canadian Muslims (formerly CAIR-CAN) weighed in:

“While some of our elected leaders sadly choose not to mention `Muslim’ or `mosque’ while denouncing the Christchurch attacks, the reality is that these horrific shootings and the Quebec City mosque attack on Jan. 29, 2017, have left Canadian Muslim communities — and indeed, Muslims around the world — feeling very vulnerable and unsafe,” wrote the Council’s executive director Ihsaan Gardee. “It is therefore essential that our elected leaders speak out clearly and unequivocally against such attacks and name them for the Islamophobic terrorist attacks that they are.”

What about the multitude of victims of jihad? Are jihad killers not Muslims? (And no, the fact that they are does not mean that “all Muslims are terrorists,” as Leftist ideologues accuse foes of jihad of claiming.

“I blame these increasing terror attacks on the current Islamophobia post-9/11 (where) 1.3 billion Muslims have collectively been blamed for any act of terror,” Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan wrote on social media.

Perhaps the abuses perpetrated by jihadists don’t exist, and are all a figment of the Western imagination? Which lives matter to the likes of NCCM and Khan, and which do not?

When Muslims attack non-Muslims — which happens frequently — the virtue-signalers on the Left and agenda-driven Islamic supremacist lobbies refuse to use the word “Muslim” and even shun the words “jihadist” and “Islamic supremacist,” heedless of how unsafe Westerners are feeling.

The Muslim Brotherhood plan for America states:

The process of settlement is a ‘Civilization-Jihadist Process’ with all the word means. The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and
God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.

That Muslim Brotherhood mission is advancing quite nicely throughout the West.

“New Zealand Jails Teen for Sharing Mosque Shooting Video Online — Faces 14 Years in Prison,” by Jim Hoft, Gateway Pundit, March 18, 2019:

An 18-year-old teenager appeared in the Christchurch District Court on Monday and was charged with re-posting of the livestream video of Friday’s mosque shootings.

The judge denied bail. The teen’s next court date is in April.

Australia’s Nine News reported:

An 18-year-old New Zealander accused of sharing a live-stream of a mass shooting across two mosques that left 50 dead has been denied bail.

Police have said the man – who cannot yet be named – was not involved in the attack in Christchurch allegedly carried out by Australian white supremacist Brenton Tarrant, 28, on Friday.

Appearing in the Christchurch District Court on Monday, the accused was granted interim name suppression but was declined bail by Judge Stephen O’Driscoll.

The details behind the bail decision cannot be published.

He will appear in court again in April……

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  1. AnneM04031959 says

    Mar 19, 2019 at 7:46 am

    Not surprised. Unlike the USA which has a written constitution.

    • Jayme says

      Mar 19, 2019 at 7:55 am

      NCCM has far to much pull with in the gov.

      • AnneM04031959 says

        Mar 19, 2019 at 9:39 am

        What does NCCM stand for? Thank-you.

        • PABLO says

          Mar 19, 2019 at 10:33 am

          The National Council of Canadian Muslims (formerly CAIR-CAN)

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 19, 2019 at 6:35 pm

          This happened in New Zealand, not Canada.

  2. na says

    Mar 19, 2019 at 8:26 am

    This is a tactics of Westerners,
    For example the story,
    Terrorist kidnapped a catholic woman(Not beautiful , IQ is 50-50). They give a a Koran. She understood Islam is the only true religion. Converted. Brothers welcomed and raped.Media praised. She tells mom “I converted to Islam for a good future”. She is seeing Miracles. She was a lesbian God saved her. Now she married a Muslim black and dwarf man like Imran Khan(his billed height is 6′ real is 5 ‘9”). They have 3 children . they are PM of third world. Now we have panama investment and have some terrorism. One day he was killed by a suicide bomber. These 3 children 1 in the US, 1 in Europe and 1 in native place. After several years meeting. One is a Bollywood “chamak chamak dancer”. One is a cricket player. One is a politician. And they have lot of fans.I think this story is running from 14th century well.??

    • na says

      Mar 19, 2019 at 8:27 am

      Some of the 20 th century example of western ladies are Rahim Green, Yousaf estate…..

    • na says

      Mar 19, 2019 at 8:35 am

      I forgot one point ” she came to know that Nasa is a bull shit. Because Koran predicted everything in the universe before 2000 years!!!!!! Koran has mentioned Physics, chemistry , Computer ……. She was surprised. debate with NASA scientist and victory. Alla lifted her bran from 50 to 200..Ask them, Whatever in the universe they have answer. Science is a bullshit. Equations and math are perfect.

      • Gert Zoot says

        Mar 19, 2019 at 8:59 am

        Haha you hit the nail on the head

      • No Fear says

        Mar 19, 2019 at 6:39 pm

        The Quran is a centre of pestilence. The language used in the Quran is poetic, vague and imprecise. It predicts nothing scientific at all. The Quran says imbecilic things such as ‘Allah throws meteors at demons’. The Quran is totally useless. Go and read a chemistry or physics or maths textbook and learn something useful.

      • Dry Academy says

        Mar 19, 2019 at 8:02 pm

        Go drink a bucket of camel piss like your ‘prophet’ recommended, you Bedouin scum.

    • Dogman1947 says

      Mar 19, 2019 at 11:42 am

      Some unintelligible remarks here. People used abbreviated English to excess. Actually to the point that the message is lost. Maybe they are merely communicating with themselves.

      • gravenimage says

        Mar 19, 2019 at 6:38 pm

        I don’t think English is na’s first language. Some of his posts are very clear, some–like the above–not so much.

        • na says

          Mar 20, 2019 at 1:46 am

          I do not have even good education(Thanks I did not waste my money for education). So good JOB and family both are still a dream. I am from one of the 3rd world scum. I learned English by hearing English movies, Songs, News paper, News, Monologue, Group discussion, WWE….But I can now speak English better than any Executives/Doctor/Software engineer from my 3 rd world. Plus I learned lot of things from free internet.
          It is not possible if you join a college spending millions for education. What you finally get !!!!!!!!

        • na says

          Mar 20, 2019 at 2:47 am

          But I know the value of “Jihadwatch” . Robert doing a GREAT job.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 20, 2019 at 8:54 pm

          Agreed, na.

  3. na says

    Mar 19, 2019 at 8:30 am

    Some modern examples of ladies are Yousf Estate and Rhim Green they were catholic nuns.

    • Jayell says

      Mar 19, 2019 at 8:57 am

      Hello Na. I have read your posts 4 or 5 times, and each time they seem to make less and less coherent sense. For example, I have a copy of the Qur’an and nowhere in it have I found anything that even vaguely resembles a respectable or intelligent reference to scientific matters let alone modern computing. If that had been the case, why haven’t islamic societies been at the forefront of scientific advance over the last 1,400 years? Explanation, please.

      • na says

        Mar 19, 2019 at 9:04 am

        You please ask western bullshit media like BBC, CNN, ABC ….. Now a days I have fed up with the media. You please google “quran and science” “Moon split “….
        May be media joke!!!!!!

        • Angry Aussie says

          Mar 19, 2019 at 9:13 am

          I think Na is a fan of Dr Zakir Naik. He is the spindoctor of fantasy.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 19, 2019 at 6:39 pm

          Angry Aussia, na is an Anti-Jihadist. He is right that many Muslims ludicrously claim that the Qur’an is a miracle of scientific knowledge.

      • na says

        Mar 19, 2019 at 9:16 am

        🤔🤔

  4. Agostino Armo Pellegrini says

    Mar 19, 2019 at 8:35 am

    New Zealand teen faces 14-year jail term for sharing massacre video

    These draconian tactics prove what I’ve known all along, that the left is using islam to gain tyrannical control of us, they love islam and all the power it brings. They want the same authority of a head- chopping caliph and rule every facet of our lives like allah rules his puppet followers.

    The real incitement to violence is the left’s complicity for islam, ignoring the rape epidemic, unbridled immigration, lying and shilling for the doctrines of islam and calling it a “religion of peace,” etc. In the meantime the West is getting over run by enclaves and an epidemic of muslim crime. They are importing every bad trait their culture has to offer, while the indigenous population are displaced and must pay billions in aid to help them do it. Good people are expected to sit quietly while their kids and women get raped, and if they complain they are treated worse than the rapists who are, apparently, too morally depraved to be held accountable for their own bad actions (it’s a cultural thing, don’t ya know). More and more people are jailed or fined for simply speaking truths about islam while others get banned by our corporate tyrants for the same reason. Muslims can stand on the street with signs that read, “Islam will dominate the West,” and “kill those who slander the prophet,” but if we object to this aggression we’re “islamophobes” and racists who must be silenced by any means. They tried to kill Tommy Robinson by putting him in a perilous situation, they’d kill us too if they could, I’m sure. There’s nothing “moderate” about islam when the end result is we lose everything, on the contrary, that’s about as “extreme” as it gets. Islam and the left are an unholy alliance that is destroying our peace and freedoms for a demon ideology. Muslims are always the victims, but we’re the ones losing our neighborhoods, our money, our security, and our culture for them. We are becoming a vanquished people, and the traitorous left is helping them do it.

    America, don’t do the same thing Europe did! Don’t give up everything to appease a lowdown religion and the people who live it. Instead stand for freedom and resist those who live by that creed of bigotry and hate against us.

    • Michael Copeland says

      Mar 19, 2019 at 8:53 am

      Thank you. So true.

    • Angry Aussie says

      Mar 19, 2019 at 9:16 am

      His crime was not only sharing the video but also of the typing of two words – “target aquired”.

      • Agostino Armo Pellegrini says

        Mar 19, 2019 at 10:02 am

        His crime was not only sharing the video but also of the typing of two words – “target aquired”–Angry Aussie
        —————————–

        O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be hard against them –Allah, god of the muslims

        And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah— Allah, god of the muslims

        …make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. –Allah, god of the muslims

        …slay the idolaters wherever you find them –Allah, god of the muslims

        I asked the Prophet, “What is the best deed?” He replied, “To believe in Allah and to fight for His Cause.” (Sahih Bukhari)

        Allah’s Apostle said, “Allah guarantees him who strives in His Cause and whose motivation for going out is nothing but Jihad in His Cause and belief in His Word…–(Sahih Bukhari)

        Allah’s Apostle said, “Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords.”–(Sahih Bukhari)

        If the powers that be would tackle the shocking and explicit violence in islam that’s been causing genocidal terror for 14 centuries then we wouldn’t have these kinds fear-based posts by non-muslims. And that’s what it is, FEAR, people see their whole way of life threatened by muslims who make no secret of their contempt or even hatred for them. Of course not all muslims are like this, but that doesn’t mean we have to let ourselves be destroyed by the majority who are. I want to see Western governments/leaders start dealing with this issue with honesty and concern for everyone, not just muslims who clearly place their own interests above ours. If we can’t post “target acquired” then muslims can’t teach “slay the idolaters” as divine truth to be followed, especially in the context of so many muslims actually doing it. I don’t think I’m being unreasonable here.

        I assumed you were being sarcastic in his defense, but it seemed like a perfect opportunity to expand. Thanks.

      • Ashley says

        Mar 19, 2019 at 2:37 pm

        Correct, Angry Aussie. The kid is actually facing a maximum of 14 years for each of the two charges. One for posting the video and another for posting a photo of the mosque with the “acquired target” comment.

        https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/new-zealand-attack-christchurch-teenager-charged-with-distributing-mosque-rampage-2009065

        Denied bail? For the crime of being a royal moron?

        That sure doesn’t sound reasonable to me.

        I’ve seen so many disturbing videos and comments all across the internet that sicken my sensibilities.

        Looks like New Zealand is going to have to erect a correctional facility for those found guilty of merely being an idiot. This ridiculous judge needs to be inmate #1.

        • Mary says

          Mar 19, 2019 at 6:31 pm

          I believe it heavy handed and an overreach in the general approach to law and order in New Zealand. The current government argues for a ‘catch and release’ approach. The accused here is only 18 years old.

          The media are telling us ISIS have already declared New Zealand a target for reprisals. Everything has changed here. Now the hard left will be able to advance their progressive aims. Strangely, despite the ISIS threat no one is expressing any concern about a backlash.

    • James Lincoln says

      Mar 19, 2019 at 11:00 am

      Agostino,

      Fantastic post, 100% correct – my compliments.

  5. Angry Aussie says

    Mar 19, 2019 at 9:09 am

    I attended a prayer vigil at an Islamic school on Sunday. It was a disgusting display of bullshittery if ever there was. I have never seen so many grinning and giggling muslimahs in my life. Thousands of people attended, including the media. The number of ignorant white women that donned scarves out of respect was gut churning. All had exposed arms, so clearly no idea about Islam. The area is predominantly Salafist, but not a niqab in sight. How odd because in that area, 3 out of 4 wear the niqab.

    The true face of Islam was absent. Police presence was huge.

    The Donation buckets were out, and were actual large household buckets.

    I viewed it as a display of conquest. Admittedly Australia and New Zealand have an unbreakable bond. When they grieve, we grieve with them. But…this was more than that. There was no grief, but pure glee on the faces of the Muslims.

    Did anybody watch the video? I did. Right at the start when the gunman walked into the mosque holding a semi automatic weapon, he was greeted with “Hi Brother”. I can’t help but wonder why the doorman was not concerned by the weapon. Unless it isn’t unusual to see a man walk into a mosque holding a weapon. Admittedly, none of the weapons were illegal.

    • Sivle says

      Mar 19, 2019 at 10:14 am

      They are all smiling because the Australian Prime Minister is giving the mosques (and the churches,synagogues..) $55,000,000 of free money to muscle up security.
      Yes, buckets of money. Buckets and buckets of more money. Buckets and buckets of more money from working taxpayers who are actually at work on Fridays.
      Bollards! More bollards!

    • Agostino Armo Pellegrini says

      Mar 19, 2019 at 11:55 am

      There was no grief, but pure glee on the faces of the Muslims.–Angry Aussie

      And I can believe your observation, they know they’ll be showered with gifts of sympathy from the left that will nurture their phony victimhood and claims of “islamophobia.” And what a relief it must have been for them to finally become the victims they so often claim to be. It must have become rather embarrassing for them in the midst of their terror and murder against us to never get any in return.

      Whew! they can breathe again!

      Of course in the larger sense muslims really are victims, but of their own bad “religion.” They kill and terrorize each other, too, much like mafia rivals might do for territory. In that sense they almost seem like confused delinquents to me, always getting in trouble for their own misdeeds but clueless as to why and how to stop it. That’s where we come in, it’s time we set these misguided fools straight with some franks truths about that so called “religion” of theirs. Islam is primarily political fascism and has little if anything to do with a loving, kind god; it’s rotten to the core with violence and hate, run by tyrannical men who see freedom as a grave threat to their authority. Islam glorifies violence and encourages violence for bigoted and hateful reasons. We need more muslims to be courageous and stand against the teachings of their religious leaders and parents, and start a new age of enlightenment that defeats the illogical trash they call a religion. I know, I sound like a pathetic dreamer. What can I say? I’m for peace, I wanna hope for the best.

    • Ashley says

      Mar 19, 2019 at 2:42 pm

      I attended a prayer vigil at an Islamic school on Sunday. It was a disgusting display of bullshittery if ever there was.
      ____________________

      +1

      You have every right to be an Angry Aussie…

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 19, 2019 at 6:41 pm

      Thanks for that disgusting account, Angry Aussie.

  6. Sivle says

    Mar 19, 2019 at 9:58 am

    One of the men who was present at the mosque said he couldn’t understand how someone could walk into a room and open fire on innocent people. He was talking about the NZ massacre. He wasn’t talking about Charlie Hebdo or Bataclan etc. etc. etc.

    The strong impression one gets in the Antipodes from all the talking hijabis and solemn muftis is that all the murderous muslim mayhem from 9/11 on didn’t actually happen. The slaughter by muslims of 140 Christians these last couple of weeks doesn’t even get a mention on the national broadcaster.

    And Waleed Ali is on TV telling us he is afraid, and he is not even a Jew sidling down the streets of Paris.

  7. saf says

    Mar 19, 2019 at 12:25 pm

    so in New Zealand it isn’t a crime nor Jail time to show beheadings… would that be correct?

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 19, 2019 at 6:42 pm

      Good question. I haven’t heard of their going after those approvingly posting Jihad terror videos.

  8. alex reid says

    Mar 19, 2019 at 1:18 pm

    What happened in Christchurch, NZ was tragic. However bear in mind since 9/11 Muslims have carried out something like 34,741 Attacks, (19/MAR/19). Since mid- Feb./19 they’ve murdered 140Christians in Nigeria. In Baghuz, Syria, since 2014, they’ve murdered something like 3,000women & carried out the murder of ethnic minorities. As a going away present from Baghuz,they beheaded 50Women & young girls held as sex slaves. So much for the religion of Peace. The NZ Muslim population is only about 1% of the total population. Just wait until their population reaches 4-5%. They’ll be attacking anything, & everyone not Muslim. & of course each other, as the victims are: “the wrong kind of Muslim”. Ban it FFS.

    • Jayell says

      Mar 21, 2019 at 12:34 am

      Just 1%? But that’s 1% too much. The good folks of NZ need only look at what’s been going on in Europe to see where they might be heading. Incidentally, I recently heard a phone-in contribution on London’s LBC radio just after the Christchurch event when a muslim said that there would never be that sort of thing happening in the UK because ‘the UK is the best country in the world’. This seems to be yet another example of the infamous ‘muslim happiness’ syndrome where muslims claim that they’re happiest in liberal non-muslim environments. Now, why might that be? Plenty of welfare resources to exploit? Plenty of kuffar females to use as a free escort agency? Plenty of credulous idiots to listen to their interminable spoilt-brat ‘islamophobia’ whingeing when they get the predictable reactions to their disgusting behaviour and attitudes as they pollute the social environment with their presence?

  9. gravenimage says

    Mar 19, 2019 at 6:34 pm

    New Zealand teen faces 14-year jail term for sharing massacre video
    ……………….

    This was pretty disgusting, but *14 years*? This is nuts.

  10. underbed cat says

    Mar 19, 2019 at 7:26 pm

    There is something very strange about this mosque shooting in New Zealand. It was done on a Friday. It was a jihad like shooting in a city called ChristChurch. The shooters manifesto did” not declare himself a white racist supremacist, nor a Trump supporter, but a eco terrorist (so did Osama) but the media democrats and left repeats it incessantly. Isis has recruited whites and posted some years ago it would be new strategy, a cover to enhance a white racist narrative and they have been successful to convert many white young men for jihad. He made many trips to islamic countries, such as Turkey to review the history of the Islamic ottoman empire of conquered land in the middle east, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, etc. If woman victims were injured were they covered and were found on the same floor as the men, very unusual mosque. Muslim wars consists of muslims fighting each other for control of new islamic caliphate. They are very clever with video taping attacks for propaganda. War is deceit. Flowers will arrive to mourn the losses, similar to other jihad attacks, was this revenge or to confuse, disrupt the peace ? Sometimes jihadist pass out candy, will the wrappers be left behind or will they be found in another city? Whatever his motive it was a unholy one.

    • Brian hoff says

      Mar 20, 2019 at 12:25 am

      You are so full of yourself.The reason there is no database on far rightwing extremism to help the police to track then. Than intelligence agency under W Bush hear about far rightwing violence group an they want to set up than database and watchlist to track these criminals. Some far rightwing nutjob found out about this and illegally raise than big sink without any justification.

      • graveost admires nimage says

        Mar 20, 2019 at 9:02 pm

        The claim that someone who calls himself an “eco-fascist” and who most admires Communist China is “far rightwing” is of course ridiculous.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 21, 2019 at 6:36 pm

          Sorry–the above post is mine.

  11. simpleton1 says

    Mar 19, 2019 at 7:33 pm

    Here we go, the censorship and criminalizing after the event has begun…

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12214083

    ” Chief Censor David Shanks has officially classified the full 17-minute video of the fatal Christchurch shootings which occurred on Friday 15 March, as “objectionable” – meaning it is banned.

    That raises the prospect of a fine of up to $10,000 or up to 14 years’ jail for anyone who shares the clip…”

    ” Earlier, Deputy Chief Censor Jared Mullen outlined the penalties for sharing banned material.

    “If you didn’t know the material was objectionable and you were found in possession of it, a maximum fine of $10,000 could apply,” ”

    So let’s get this straight. If on Friday you shared this clip it wasn’t an illegal act but as of today, the act that you did legally 3 days ago has been declared to be illegal even though it wasn’t at the time.

    This is total state control, whether the video should or should not be banned is not the point, the principle that you can be criminalised retrospectively is not something that New Zealand or the world should accept.

    • graveost admires nimage says

      Mar 20, 2019 at 9:03 pm

      That a supposedly democratic nation even has a “Chief Censor” is appalling.

      • gravenimage says

        Mar 21, 2019 at 6:37 pm

        The above post is mine.

  12. No Fear says

    Mar 19, 2019 at 8:30 pm

    I assume the NZ authorities have also declared the viewing,sharing or possessing of Jihadi attack videos to be criminal acts.

    • No Fear says

      Mar 19, 2019 at 8:37 pm

      I did a search of the database of banned material on the NZ govt censor site. No mention of any items related to the word “jihadi”or “beheading”.

      • gravenimage says

        Mar 19, 2019 at 8:47 pm

        What a surprise…

  13. UNCLE VLADDI says

    Mar 19, 2019 at 8:46 pm

    Re: “it must also be affirmed that all lives matter equally. In Western societies, Muslim lives are equal to those of Christians, Jews, atheists, gays, and everyone else.”

    i.e: “Everyone has the same legal rights, even when they refuse to accept their concomitant, corollary legal responsibilities, such as the members of global crime-gangs such as the Mafia and Islam.” BS!

    And, re: “What about the multitude of victims of jihad? Are jihad killers not Muslims? (And no, the fact that they are does not mean that “all Muslims are terrorists,” as Leftist ideologues accuse foes of jihad of claiming.”

    Wrong again, Christine!

    According to their own sharia “law” texts, NO muslims are “civilians.”

    In islam, ALLAH DID NOT CREATE ALL HUMANS EQUAL!

    According to their Qur’an, allah deliberately made infidels so muslims could murder them for him, as a test of their obedience (well, more as a joke, since allah knows in advance who will pass and fail his tests, and it’s all predetermined predestined force anyway)!

    If they truly follow islam, then YES all muslims are ALL terrorists.

    Just like you couldn’t be a “nazi” and not support Hitler and Mein Kampf, you can’t (by their own rules) be a “muslim” and not be a terrorist, because that’s what the Qur’an commands and Muhammad himself did: terrorize and extort everyone else!

    ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS!

    “Terrorism” is really only the simple crime of “extortion” writ large! Extortion is “threats!”

    (Extortion is “threats” and perpetual extortion is called “slavery”)!

    All group rights must come with group responsibilities.

    When you describe yourself as a criminal gangster who asserts it’s his holy right and duty to extort, enslave, and murder all the non-members of your gang, you get judged for that threat, because death-threats are already crimes.

    And that sums up islam.

    ALL Muslims are MURDERER-GANG MEMBERS. Their Quran COMMANDS murder. Therefore the only good Muslims are dead ones. Unless they only only commit “moderate” murder. Then only give them “moderate” executions.

    ALL muslims are criminals, simply by being members of the world’s largest and most ancient yet ongoing crime-gang. Being a member of a crime-gang is a crime, even if the member hasn’t committed any specific crime beyond that of their general membership, because they represent the inherent public threat the crime-gang presents. It’s the Law. Everything muslims pretend to believe is “holy” is already a crime!

    Islam is a monolithic crime-creed, with instructions in their war and crime-manual applying to all aspects of their holy mobster “muslim” minions’ lives. Its management is not a top-down affair.

    Each and every one of them knows their obligations to the tribe and knows they are at war with us. The Qur’an sentences us all to “Death By Muslim!” for our “crime” of simply not being muslims ourselves!

    Would we bother to separately arrest and try each and every individual member of a crime-gang or ARMY which had officially declared war on us and was openly attacking us?!

    IN SUM:

    People should just read the Qur’an: It orders ALL MUSLIMS to extort, enslave, and murder you for your “crime” of not-being a muslim.

    Anyone who admits they’re a member of a gang whose sworn, official purpose for existing is to extort, enslave, and murder you – embodies and embraces a permanent death-threat. And offensive death-threats are CRIMES.

    Even if the threat fails to convince, it’s still at least a form of ATTEMPTED extortion, and all attempted crimes are still crimes, no?

    Source-cited Proof of this?

    Muhammad, speaking as “allah,” commands striking terror in 8.57 & 8.60, and swore he would cast it in 3.151 & 8.12 and that he cast terror in 33.26 & 59.2. Moe said he was made victorious with terror, as quoted in Sahih Bukhari 4.52.220. Since obedience, imitation and emulation of Muhammad are commanded, and since Allah rewards acts of terrorism with Brownie Points in 9.120, every Muslim is a terrorist.

    CAPISCE?

    Without devout “muslims” to enact it’s commands, the Qur’an is only an old book.

    The Qur’an clearly and specifically tells muslims the Bible is wrong and also that all Christians and Jews are infidel criminals who worship a false god, and who must therefore be extorted, enslaved, and murdered for their “crime” of not being muslims:

    Sura (Chapter) 47:1-4 of the Qur’an:

    1: non-muslims are bad, because they insult allah by dividing his nature;
    2: muslims are good, because to them allah is the cause of everything;
    3: Allah made them both like that;
    4: So muslims should chop off the non-muslims’ heads.
    (Allah could have done it himself, but he wants you muslims to do it for him).”

    It’s all right there, in context: islamic violence is entirely general doctrine-driven, and not at all specific grievance-driven.

    (And chapter 47 isn’t by any stretch even remotely the worst, most violent chapter; that honor goes to either chapter 8 or 9).

    (And chapter 47 isn’t by any stretch even remotely the worst, most violent chapter; that honor goes to either chapter 8 or 9; 9:29 demands all non-muslims be fought, extorted, and enslaved because they don’t believe in Muhammad’s ‘allah’).

    That is, the Qur’an demands muslims wage offensive war – not in self-defense – but because of others’ “disbelief!”

    For instance:

    9:5. Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islâmic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikûn (see V.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakât, then leave their way free. Verily, Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

    9:14. Fight against them so that Allâh will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people,

    9:29. Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

    9:120. It was not becoming of the people of Al-Madinah and the bedouins of the neighbourhood to remain behind Allâh’s Messenger (Muhammad when fighting in Allâh’s Cause) and (it was not becoming of them) to prefer their own lives to his life. That is because they suffer neither thirst nor fatigue, nor hunger in the Cause of Allâh, nor they take any step to raise the anger of disbelievers nor inflict any injury upon an enemy but is written to their credit as a deed of righteousness. Surely, Allâh wastes not the reward of the Muhsinûn

    Muslims are commanded to hurt us in any way they can and are promised Brownie Points for it.

    So don’t go looking for what actions of yours may have offended or provoked them; they have been taught from birth that your existence alone offends their god, and so should offend them.

    Muslims have been officially taught to believe that they are the “best of people” (Qur’an 3:110) and that unbelievers are the “most vile of created beings” (Qur’an 98:6).

    Moe said that his provision was placed under the shade of his spear. Look up the hadith in Tafsir Ibn Kathir “The Benefits Of Iron”; it is near the end of the page.

    Moe dictated and dispatched extortion letters. Look them up in Ibn Sa’d or alquraan.net.

    He prayed for prey at Badr. He asked the “Lord of the Devils” for “the good of this town” before every ghazwat. Look it up in “The Life of Muhammad”.pg. 510-511.

    Crack open Sahih Bukhari and read the books of Jihad, Khumus & Expedition, they show us what Islam really is. Obtain clues from the Qur’an, too. 3:151, 8:12, 39, 57, 60, 65, 67, 9:5, 29, 38, 39, 111, 120, 123, 33:26, 27, 47:4, 49:15, 59:2, 13, 61:10-13; Sahih Bukhari 1.7.331 & 4.52.220.

    If a Muslim is a believer, he is a threat to our lives, liberties and prosperity, whether in a pack or acting as a lone wolf.

    Jihad is what Islam is; what Muslims do and it is defined in Islamic law as “war against non-Muslims.” Look it up in “Reliance Of The Traveller” Book o, Chapter 9.0 and try to prove me wrong.

    Offensive Jihad is fard al-Kifaya, to be performed in every year. When we retaliate, the obligation becomes fard al-ayn: binding on the entire Ummah individually. That makes every Muslim a ticking time bomb.

    So, if and when you consider islam to be a religion, you must agree with it’s main tenet: that God is a violent murderer who wants his muslim tribe to violently conquer the world by extorting, enslaving, and murdering all the non-muslim humans, right?

    At WORST, all REAL religions only say:

    “Obey our silly rules, or GOD (/’the gods’) will get you!”

    …but ONLY islam says:

    “Obey our silly rules, or WE will get you (‘for god’)!”

    At forced ‘Faith!’ ISN’T a “Faith!” at all – it’s only extortion, and extortion is always a CRIME.

    Bottom line: If you decide to believe in “allah,” you have declared yourself a criminal, and so must be arrested, indicted, tried and convicted. Your confession of “faith” in your crime-god will help us to do so.

    And there are no “moderate” muslims, simply because there is not “moderate” islam!

    Here’s the REAL “difference” between “moderate” and “radical” muslims:

    “Radical” muslims want to murder you for not being a muslim.
    “Moderate” muslims want ‘radical’ muslims to murder you for not being a muslim.

  14. simpleton1 says

    Mar 19, 2019 at 9:30 pm

    More reactive, retro-control.

    “At least one person has been fired for watching the video while other employees were around – while others have been let go for sharing it with workmates”. ……
    …. “Privacy Commissioner John Edwards has called on Facebook to hand names of those who shared the video to NZ police”. …..
    … Edwards sees the video as an “egregious” abuse of the victims’ privacy”.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12214455

    I recall 9/11 and maybe there was some censorship, but still there was the people making shocking decisions in how to escape.
    I knew that I did not want to see what that shooter did when I figured that it was going to be graphic.
    So now one can be retro actively and unwittingly criminalized.

    The fear is the apparatus of the state, may make things more difficult, and just being slow, like in obtaining licences, banking, identification, like passports, taxation issues etc…

    There certainly is enough controlling staff in bureaucracies that can make life very difficult.

  15. Singh The Sikh says

    Mar 19, 2019 at 11:21 pm

    Not just New Zealand, Muslims must come together when terrorists attack non-Muslims too
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/christchurch-mosque-linked-to-alqaida-suspect-2014060417

    • graveost admires nimage says

      Mar 20, 2019 at 9:06 pm

      Don’t hold your breath…

      And I am not surprised to see that this Mosque has links to Al Qaida suspect.

      • gravenimage says

        Mar 20, 2019 at 11:22 pm

        I have no idea how this happened. The above is a comment from gravenimage.

  16. simpleton1 says

    Mar 19, 2019 at 11:34 pm

    New Zealand Parliament opens with an imam’s prayer
    “The verses come from chapter al-Baqarah (The Cow), which emphasise patience, prayers, and justice on judgement day.”

    https://www.msn.com/en-au/video/animal/new-zealand-parliament-opens-with-an-islamic-prayer/vi-BBUWDGH
    I wonder if some one more up to it can figure just what was said and which verses?

    Being ate in the chronological order,The Cow chapter abrogates a lot of earlier chapters,, and so some earlier and later verses, would help with the context of that prayer.

    • Brian hoff says

      Mar 20, 2019 at 12:33 am

      There is no abrogate of any passages in the Koran. The war passages donot cancel out the peaceful passages.

      • gravenimage says

        Mar 21, 2019 at 12:06 am

        What claptrap–the less violent Suras precede the latter more savage ones. Chapter 9, which includes the bloody “Sura of the Sword” (Qur’an 9:5) is the penultimate Sura.

        Every Islamic scholar acknowledges abrogation.

        Here’s the respected Muslim scholar Dr. Zakir Naik:

        https://newmuslimtube.com/the-reasons-behind-abrogation-in-the-quran-dr-zakir-naik/

  17. Felix Quigley says

    Mar 20, 2019 at 3:52 am

    This is a revolutionary socialist here and this is my position and that of http://www.trotskyist.org

    I need to identify myself.

    Simpleton 2 writes

    “So let’s get this straight. If on Friday you shared this clip it wasn’t an illegal act but as of today, the act that you did legally 3 days ago has been declared to be illegal even though it wasn’t at the time.”

    So our proposal is

    Jihadwatch publish this Manifesto and video NOW
    Gates of Vienna ditto
    All of opposers of Islam do the same

    I mean do it NOW before it is all too late!

  18. Felix Quigley says

    Mar 20, 2019 at 4:01 am

    They are trying to pull a fast one on the world. They are saying that if you are trying to understand the thinking and politics of Tarrant you are an evil thing, not even a human. So where will we stand. For freedom! Against ALL censorship!

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 21, 2019 at 12:11 am

      Felix Quigley can read up on this deranged manifesto on his own–that’s what I did. I’ve linked to it before:

      https://katana17.wordpress.com/2019/03/15/the-great-replacement-manifesto-of-new-zealand-mosque-shooter-mar-2019/

      The idea that Jihad Watch should have to post a manifesto it does not agree with is absurd. Of course, Felix Quigley is probably hoping that JW will start posting his Trotskyite claptrap…

  19. David M says

    Mar 20, 2019 at 7:16 am

    New Zealand is going to broadcast the call for prayer nationally on radio & tv on Friday. What’s next, forced conversions to Islam? When a Muslim kills infidels I say they get catholic church bells shove down their throats too.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiOtt2Cy5DhAhXaYH0KHWtmB1IQFjAEegQIABAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.indiatoday.in%2Fworld%2Fstory%2Fnew-zealand-to-broadcast-muslim-call-for-prayer-on-friday-observe-2-minute-silence-1482647-2019-03-20&usg=AOvVaw2DiAoVP_Vf1tUZHW7_Fh3_

  20. Felix Quigley says

    Mar 20, 2019 at 9:49 am

    Gravenimage

    Whose side are you on?

    When this is your line…”gravenimage says

    Mar 19, 2019 at 6:34 pm

    New Zealand teen faces 14-year jail term for sharing massacre video
    ……………….

    This was pretty disgusting, but *14 years*? This is nuts.”

    I could hardly believe my eyes when Gravenimage does not defend the right to publish and suggests very strongly attacking our colleague is in order, that is the state attacking our colleague. Cannot possibly win with a person like Gravenimage in our midst.

    So at a time when we are all fighting for dear life against censorship Gravenimage is for giving a lesser sentence than 14 years, whatever that might be does not matter, she is still on THEIR side, and not on OUR side. Perhaps a more “sensible” not nuts sentence of say 6 years would find her support. Sickens me!

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 21, 2019 at 12:20 am

      What a load of claptrap. Felix Quigley has now been following me around on several threads *enraged* that I have come out against preaching violence. I am a free speech absolutist with the single exception of inciting murder.

      His pretending that Jihad Watch is for the NZ shooter and considers him “our colleague” is utter calumny–Robert Spencer says no such thing. No, Jihad Watch does not want to publish this mass murderer’s unhinged manifesto.

      Felix Quigley is free to do so on his own Trotskyite site if he so desires.

  21. Felix Quigley says

    Mar 20, 2019 at 9:55 am

    So far nobody has taken up our call to publish this material…see my two comments earlier today. Perhaps people do not like my proposal because it is made by a revolutionary socialist that is me. Well too bad. In fact this situation is even more serious than Garland and there is a need not just to publish immediately but organize a major conference as a rallying point against this censorship coming out of New Zealand.

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 21, 2019 at 12:25 am

      That Felix Qigley considers this unhinged “manifesto” a “rallying point” is actually quite disturbing. (Nevertheless, I linked to it above).

      And if he wants to look for this massacre video, he’s on his own.

      The idea that we would rally ’round a mass murderer if only it was being urged by someone who is not an apologist for the horrors of Communism is absurd.

  22. Felix Quigley says

    Mar 20, 2019 at 10:06 am

    It is clear to me that we are at a turning point, or in the actual crisis of leadership, and there is a great responsibility on all organizations which stand for freedom. I am drawn to the idea of an organizing conference and it seems to me that that the defence of both President Trump and Tommy Robinson is also very central.

    Do not be under any illusions. The fact that there is such a wholesale censorship of everything to do with Tarrant is a major attack on democratic rights and a step towards dictatorship.There is a unity here, the banning of Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller, also Michael Savage, from entering UK, the Dossier attacks on Donald Trump and then President Trump. The massive attacks on Christians and Jews in the Middle East and on Christians in Africa.

    These are massive steps towards dictatorship, and this new Zealand issue is the most serious step to dictatorship of all.

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 21, 2019 at 12:28 am

      Felix Quigley’s happily comparing the decent Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller with a vicious mass murderer is just appalling calumny. They have *never* preached violence.

      • Felix Quigley says

        Mar 21, 2019 at 3:07 am

        Gravenimage never stops amazing us with her stupid lies. She said a few months ago that Leon Trotsky was guilty of terrible antisemitism. A man who defended Jews always and was a Jew himself, and never once in his whole life denied his Jewishness, and why would he! When I asked her about this she did not reply. This is also a feature of Gravenimage. In this case she answers here a question about her conduct with ANOTHER LIE!

        This is a most vicious lie against me here and my legal political movement Gravenimage. Stop your lies now!

        “Felix Quigley’s happily comparing the decent Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller with a vicious mass murderer is just appalling calumny. They have *never* preached violence.”

        So I ask you now Gravenimage try to clear your name by withdrawing the above.

        It is well known that Robert, Pamela, myself and my movement, and others do not engage in ANY violence.

        However I say that the testament of Tarrant must be published and given the widest circulation so that the PEOPLE CAN JUDGE FOR THEMSELVES.

        I and my movement will not allow THE STATE to censure us.

        Withdraw your lies now Gravenimage and when you are at it you can withdraw your lies of a month ago when you called Leon Trotsky an antisemite.

        Just stop lying!

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 21, 2019 at 7:21 pm

          More from the repulsive Felix Quigley:

          Gravenimage never stops amazing us with her stupid lies.
          ………………………

          Note that Felix Quigley does not say what I have lied about here. No surprise, really.

          More:

          She said a few months ago that Leon Trotsky was guilty of terrible antisemitism. A man who defended Jews always and was a Jew himself, and never once in his whole life denied his Jewishness, and why would he!
          ………………………

          Leon Trotsky changed his name from Lev Davidovich Bronstein so that no one would know he was Jewish. He denied his own father a Jewish burial even though he requested it. He also hated Zionists.

          When the chief Rabbi of Moscow, Rabbi Jacob Maze, appeared before Trotsky in 1921 to plead on the behalf of starving Russian Jews. Trotsky rebuffed him, saying that he was a Communist and did not consider himself a Jew.

          He later wrote, “On the Jewish Problem”, using much the same terms as Hitler did.

          His only acceptance of Jews was of those who completely rejected their Jewishness, both religious and cultural.

          All this seems pretty antisemitic to any sane person, of course.

          More:

          When I asked her about this she did not reply.
          ………………………

          I have replied to Felix Quigley at some length on many threads. His claim that I would not reply to him is quite false.

          If there was ever a case where I did not reply to him, it must have been after a story had long since fallen into the archives and I never saw it. My policy has been generally to demolish his mendacious claptrap, not ignore it.

          More:

          This is also a feature of Gravenimage. In this case she answers here a question about her conduct with ANOTHER LIE!

          This is a most vicious lie against me here and my legal political movement Gravenimage. Stop your lies now!

          “Felix Quigley’s happily comparing the decent Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller with a vicious mass murderer is just appalling calumny. They have *never* preached violence.”

          So I ask you now Gravenimage try to clear your name by withdrawing the above.
          ………………………

          Why would I withdraw the above? Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller have *never* preached violence, whereas the NZ shooter not only preached violence but practiced it himself in the most appalling manner.

          Robert Spencer has quite openly *condemned* the actions of the NZ shooter.

          Felix Quigley’s lauding the sharing of this massacre video and demands that Jihad Watch post this murderous thug’s incoherent “manifesto” is just appalling.

          The demand that I endorse murder in order to “clear my name” is *just sickening*.

          More:

          It is well known that Robert, Pamela, myself and my movement, and others do not engage in ANY violence.

          However I say that the testament of Tarrant must be published and given the widest circulation so that the PEOPLE CAN JUDGE FOR THEMSELVES.
          ………………………

          Why should Jihad Watch be tasked with giving this call for murder a wider audience?

          Note also that I posted a link to this thing myself, if Felix Quigley wanted to read it, but he does not appear to have bothered to do so.

          But no–I do not intend to find a video of this massacre for him. As I noted above, if he wants to look for and watch this sick thing he’s on his own.

          More:

          I and my movement will not allow THE STATE to censure us.
          ………………………

          Note that he considers this savage murderer to be “us”. I reject that, and so does Robert Spencer.

          And if Felix Quigley wants to spread this bloody savagery, he can do it on his own Trotskyite site, rather than demanding that Jihad Watch do it for him. *Ugh*.

          More:

          Withdraw your lies now Gravenimage and when you are at it you can withdraw your lies of a month ago when you called Leon Trotsky an antisemite.

          Just stop lying!
          ………………………

          How many times has Felix Quigley now claimed that I have lied about him and about the bloody Soviets, without being able to cite anything?

          What rot. Just calling me a liar does not make it so, no matter how Felix Quigley may desperately hope it might.

          Ultimately, Communism has been almost as great a horror as has Islam, and very much along the same totalitarian lines.

          Most of us here oppose Islam because we love freedom. No this creep–he just wants to be able to impose his own brand of tyranny on us.

  23. Graeme Howarth says

    Mar 20, 2019 at 6:54 pm

    While on the surface this is concerning, there’s a bit more to it than meets the eye:~

    “The other charge alleges an offence between March 8 and March 15, under the same Act, by making an objectionable publication showing a photograph of the mosque in Deans Avenue with the message “Target Acquired” and further chat messaging around inciting extreme violence.”
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111442026/kiwis-face-charges-related-to-sharing-mosque-massacre-live-stream

    So the 18 year old seemed to have prior knowledge of the attack and may be a key witness I would have thought.

    • Ashley says

      Mar 21, 2019 at 3:05 am

      Whoa Graeme…thanks for that link.

      If the kid posted the image of the mosque with the “target acquired” remark prior to the massacre…well, that’s a horse of a different color.

      From the link Graeme provided:

      “One charge is dated March 15, the day of the shooting. It alleges an offence under the Films, Videos, and Publications Classifications Act by distributing an objectionable publication – a live stream of the murder of multiple victims at the Deans Avenue Mosque.

      The other charge alleges an offence between March 8 and March 15, under the same Act, by making an objectionable publication showing a photograph of the mosque in Deans Avenue with the message “Target Acquired” and further chat messaging around inciting extreme violence.”

      Again…thank you for the link. It gives me chills…

      • Felix Quigley says

        Mar 21, 2019 at 3:37 am

        Ashley…and this kid is in jail as we write for THAT??? Have you lost all sense of who we are? You would put the kid in jail for THAT???

        • Ashley says

          Mar 21, 2019 at 3:44 am

          Look at the dates, Felix. If the kid posted the image of the Dean Street mosque with “target acquired” prior to the attack that raises some questions in my mind.

          Possible prior knowledge and complicity come to mind.

        • Felix Quigley says

          Mar 21, 2019 at 4:08 am

          Ashley

          “Look at the dates, Felix. If the kid posted the image of the Dean Street mosque with “target acquired” prior to the attack that raises some questions in my mind.

          Possible prior knowledge and complicity come to mind.”

          Anything can come into your mind. We are not responsible for THAT!

          The bottom line is the kid is IN JAIL and YOU cannot give us any information about this, because there is wholesale censorship.

          You then have to resort to talking about what is coming into your mind.

          This is the whole essence of the Fascism we are moving into and it is being facilitated by people like Gravenimage WHO PROMOTES IN EVERY WAY CENSORSHIP

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 21, 2019 at 7:28 pm

          If the person who posted this did indeed have prior knowledge of the massacre and did nothing to stop it–and indeed lauded it–then this is *not* a praiseworthy thing.

          That Felix Quigley is an apologist for terrorism is very troubling–but does not, sadly, particularly surprise.

    • Felix Quigley says

      Mar 21, 2019 at 3:41 am

      Graeme Howarth

      You make the charge against this kid:

      “further chat messaging around inciting extreme violence” end quote

      So if you are not a complete shady character then the least you can do is be specific and show everything, full quote, context, everything!!!

      Do not try to censor us Graeme!

      • Ashley says

        Mar 21, 2019 at 3:58 am

        Felix…Graeme made no charge against the kid. He merely linked an article that included the quote.

        • Felix Quigley says

          Mar 21, 2019 at 4:17 am

          “Felix…Graeme made no charge against the kid. He merely linked an article that included the quote.”

          Ashley the whole position of Graeme is to back up the NZ state machine in its drive to censorship and terror against free speech.

          As he said HIS CONCLUSION AND LEADING READERS ON JIHADWATCH TO BELIEVE…”So the 18 year old seemed to have prior knowledge of the attack and may be a key witness I would have thought.”

          He claims THE KID “SEEMS TO HAVE” prior knowledge of the attack and that is the attack on this kid by Graeme.

          You see how the NZ fascist becoming government is having its supporters right inside of Jihadwatch.

          So we now have you, Graeme, in a massive way this strange character who at times controls the conversation on Jihadwatch namely Gravenimage, all working to back up this massive censorship in NZ, Australia and world wide.

          And as we all know with the silence of many others it takes only a few.

          Reply

      • gravenimage says

        Mar 22, 2019 at 8:30 pm

        Graeme Howarth is not censoring anyone by posting more information about the story above.

        Presenting *more* information has nothing to do with censorship. Felix Quigley seems to be unclear on the concept.

        And Graeme wasn’t replying to anything I said at all–he was just linking to another story about the above case.

        And the claim that I “control” the conversation at Jihad Watch by posting here is absurd. People can agree with my views, disagree with some or all of them, or ignore them altogether.

        That Felix Quigley considers exercising one’s freedom of speech to be “censorship” is oddly telling.

  24. Felix Quigley says

    Mar 21, 2019 at 3:33 am

    The bottom line here is that Gravenimage is opposing the publication of the Testament by Tarrant. Also publication (I assume) by any others such as Pamela Geller.

    This is serious indeed. It means that there is a body of opinion and ACTION which is seeking the struggle against Islam censor itself.

    The argument being used is that publishing the Testament by Tarrant is an incitement to violence.

    Who decides though? i will tell you who in this case…the very shady NZ state machine AND of course Gravenimage.

    That, of course, is the recipe for wholesale censorship, and as our ruling class and Islam which always operates WITH the ruling class want…above all SELF CENSORSHIP.

    As Gravenimage writes:

    “That Felix Qigley (sic) considers this unhinged “manifesto” a “rallying point” is actually quite disturbing. (Nevertheless, I linked to it above).

    And if he wants to look for this massacre video, he’s on his own.

    The idea that we would rally ’round a mass murderer if only it was being urged by someone who is not an apologist for the horrors of Communism is absurd.” end quote

    So Gravenimage is a communist hater. She is in good company here. With Hitler and Franco!

    So then let Gravenimage lie in her marxist and communist hating bed with Hitler and Franco. I do not mind if she moulders in her bed with Franco and Hitler.

    But we are not EVEN talking about that here. We are talking about censorship and its even more deadly form SELF CENSORSHIP.

    On reflection what is called for and what I mentioned above is a wide conference and discussion on Christchurch with all represented who oppose Islam and a strategy which will entail the opposition to this widespread censorship. Oppose all forms of censorship.

    But especially here NO to the censorship visited upon us by Gravenimage.

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 21, 2019 at 8:10 pm

      Felix Quigley wrote:

      The bottom line here is that Gravenimage is opposing the publication of the Testament by Tarrant. Also publication (I assume) by any others such as Pamela Geller.
      ………………………

      How is my linking to Tarrant’s disgusting “manifesto” proof of my preventing others from reading it?

      Here it is again:

      https://katana17.wordpress.com/2019/03/15/the-great-replacement-manifesto-of-new-zealand-mosque-shooter-mar-2019/

      If Felix Quigley–or anyone else–wants to read it all they need do is click on it and read it. Interestingly, Felix Quigley does not appear to have bothered.

      And I have no control over what Jihad Watch or Pamela Geller publish, nor should I have any such control–these are not my blogs.

      But the implication that either Robert Spencer or Pamela Geller have any interest in publishing the ravings of a mass murderer is just calumny.

      More:

      This is serious indeed. It means that there is a body of opinion and ACTION which is seeking the struggle against Islam censor itself.

      The argument being used is that publishing the Testament by Tarrant is an incitement to violence.
      ………………………

      Of course this is an incitement to violence–did Felix Quigley miss the part where the NZ shooter murdered a large number of people? This is indeed violent.

      More:

      Who decides though? i will tell you who in this case…the very shady NZ state machine AND of course Gravenimage.
      ………………………

      What rot. My posting here is not censorship–just the opposite, really.

      I have censored no one–I suppose it has not occurred to Felix Quigley that not everyone wants to incite violence.

      More:

      That, of course, is the recipe for wholesale censorship, and as our ruling class and Islam which always operates WITH the ruling class want…above all SELF CENSORSHIP.
      ………………………

      Everyone can decide for themselves what they want to promote. If Felix Quigley wants to promote the rantings of a mass-murderer, he can do so. But his demanding that others do so is *not*, thankfully, something he can enforce.

      More:

      As Gravenimage writes:

      “That Felix Qigley (sic) considers this unhinged “manifesto” a “rallying point” is actually quite disturbing. (Nevertheless, I linked to it above).

      And if he wants to look for this massacre video, he’s on his own.

      The idea that we would rally ’round a mass murderer if only it was being urged by someone who is not an apologist for the horrors of Communism is absurd.” end quote
      ………………………

      My apologies for misspelling Felix Quigley’s name. I stand by everything I wrote, though.

      More:

      So Gravenimage is a communist hater. She is in good company here. With Hitler and Franco!

      So then let Gravenimage lie in her marxist and communist hating bed with Hitler and Franco. I do not mind if she moulders in her bed with Franco and Hitler.
      ………………………

      Felix Quigley has done this before–tried to pretend that the only reason anyone would have for opposing Communism is because they are Fascists. But this is *quite* false–These Fascists largely just considered the Communists to be rivals, whereas i actually oppose the savagery of both Communism *and* Fascism (as well as Islam). As I have noted, I champion freedom and reject all totalitarianism.

      And his claiming that I support Fascism is nothing but projection here, in any case–if he has read this “Manifesto” he keeps flogging here, he would know that the shooter proudly characterizes himself as an “eco-fascist”.

      More:

      But we are not EVEN talking about that here. We are talking about censorship and its even more deadly form SELF CENSORSHIP.
      ………………………

      Self censorship is the instance of someone really wanting to say something, but not doing so out of fear or out of toadying.

      But I have *no interest* in preaching the unhinged views of a mass murderer, and since Robert Spencer has also condemned this thug’s actions, there is no reason to suppose that he does, either. So not disseminating this ugliness is *not* self censorship.

      More:

      On reflection what is called for and what I mentioned above is a wide conference and discussion on Christchurch with all represented who oppose Islam and a strategy which will entail the opposition to this widespread censorship. Oppose all forms of censorship.
      ………………………

      If Felix Quigley wants to set up such a conference debating the supposedly salubrious effects of mass murder, he can do so. He should not expect Jihad Watch to fall in line with this sick demand, though.

      More:

      But especially here NO to the censorship visited upon us by Gravenimage.
      ………………………

      As noted, my posing here censors no one. Felix Quigley has claimed before that my countering his ugliness is censoring him, but of course it is not.

      No one should be surprised that a hard-core Communist like Felix Quigley understands nothing about freedom of speech.

      • Felix Quigley says

        Mar 22, 2019 at 3:31 am

        Gravenimage misspelling my name is not a big deal. The silence of all on Jihadwatch, on this issue of Tarrant, IS a big deal. Just as the shat hit the fan they are struck dumb. You are a tiny little voice trying to justify the censorship of the fascist becoming NZ state and its leaders like this PC PM.

        So Gravenimage this is the issue, the central issue. Read the Manifesto of Tarrant. His analysis of the situation in the world is in a key respect absolutely correct. He is in agreement with Charles Gave that the MAIN issue is that the Muslim Collective have set in motion a strategy that will end in France with Muslims in the majority inside of 40 years.

        Yet Tarrant ends up doing something that will actually help not us but them.

        How can that be explained without discussion?

        That is the cowardice of Gravenimage and the other commenters as a whole on Jihadwatch.

        All of her other lies and attacks on communism, at this moment, are really and truly just diversions. I can answer everything but her copy and paste is massively long already. If I was to in turn copy and paste THAT it would be a total chapter in a book!!!

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 22, 2019 at 6:19 pm

          More from the tedious Felix Quigley:

          Gravenimage misspelling my name is not a big deal.
          ……………………………

          My misspelling Felix Quigley’s name was not intentional.

          More:

          The silence of all on Jihadwatch, on this issue of Tarrant, IS a big deal. Just as the shat hit the fan they are struck dumb. You are a tiny little voice trying to justify the censorship of the fascist becoming NZ state and its leaders like this PC PM.
          ……………………………

          Felix Quigley’s constant claims that I am in support of New Zealand’s (or perhaps just this article’s) not pointing out exactly what was posted in the case above is absurd, given my comments on this thread. It is indeed important to know what was said, if there was support of the massacre, and whether this was done prior to the massacre, where it might have been stopped.

          And I have criticized the NZ PM’s response numerous times–all one need do is read my comments on this story:

          “New Zealand’s Prime Minister dons hijab, orders national broadcast of Islamic call to prayer”

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/03/new-zealands-prime-minister-dons-hijab-orders-national-broadcast-of-islamic-call-to-prayer

          More:

          So Gravenimage this is the issue, the central issue. Read the Manifesto of Tarrant.
          ……………………………

          I’ve read the thing three times in toto, and checked it several times to confirm specific points. This is far more attention than this generally incoherent thing deserves.

          More:

          His analysis of the situation in the world is in a key respect absolutely correct. He is in agreement with Charles Gave that the MAIN issue is that the Muslim Collective have set in motion a strategy that will end in France with Muslims in the majority inside of 40 years.
          ……………………………

          “A stopped clock”, etc. That he was able to cite a single relevant point in the mishmash of general ugliness of his “manifesto” is not particularly relevant.

          Felix Quigley could cite any number of sane and non-violent people who have noted the threat of high Muslim birthrates, but for some reason he is wedded to the rantings of this appalling mass murderer, instead.

          More:

          Yet Tarrant ends up doing something that will actually help not us but them.

          How can that be explained without discussion?
          ……………………………

          He’s a mass murdering thug whose stated goal is to cause dissention–he hopes violent dissention–in the free West. That he cites a single rational point in his screed should not leave us scratching our heads, even less does it warrant some great summit of reasonable people to debate it. This is, in fact, very common among madmen.

          Charles Manson may have made a rational point or two about the troubled nature of race relations in the US during the 1960s–does that mean that the fine points of his bloody massacres should be debated as though they were reasonable acts? I think not. I could cite other cases, but I doubt that I need to.

          More:

          That is the cowardice of Gravenimage and the other commenters as a whole on Jihadwatch.
          ……………………………

          How is not wanting to laud a coward and murderer itself cowardly? Of course this makes no sense.

          More:

          All of her other lies and attacks on communism, at this moment, are really and truly just diversions.
          ……………………………

          What rot. My opposing the horrors of Communism and citing its ugliness are the only reasons that Trotskyite Felix Quigley is so obsessed with me here.

          More:

          I can answer everything but her copy and paste is massively long already. If I was to in turn copy and paste THAT it would be a total chapter in a book!!!
          ……………………………

          In other words, he has no defense for the hideous savagery of Communism when confronted with its ugliness. No surprise there…

  25. Felix Quigley says

    Mar 21, 2019 at 3:55 am

    There is really no end ever to the way that Gravenimage lies:

    “That Felix Qigley considers this unhinged “manifesto” a “rallying point” is actually quite disturbing.”

    I have read parts of the Manifesto and it is very clear that Tarrant emerges out of exactly the same situation that we are all emerging out of.

    The main point that Tarrant makes in his Manifesto over and over again, he keeps returning to it, and many times, is the same point that Charles Gave of France has made about three years ago. Which is that in his words inside of 40 years France will be a Muslim majority country. By birth rate.

    Yet I do not see the Manifesto by Tarrant a rallying point. Tarrant in this regard is very like Gravenimage, he cuts out of his thinking completely history.

    So, for example, Tarrant AND Gravenimage both leave out the Russian Revolution led by Lenin and Trotsky, as if it did not happen, and leave out thereby the destruction of that revolution by Stalin and Stalinism, a whole historical period.

    Tarrant does not discuss that at all.

    Gravenimage not only does not discuss that but LIES about it.

    Not indeed a “rallying point”. But the struggle against censorship and self censorship needs to be a rallying point.

    In this struggle we have to confront these agents for censorship like Gravenimage and if we do not we are indeed lost, and Islam will be unstoppable, as Charles Gave clearly writes.

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 21, 2019 at 8:53 pm

      Yet more from Felix Quigley:

      There is really no end ever to the way that Gravenimage lies:

      “That Felix Qigley considers this unhinged “manifesto” a “rallying point” is actually quite disturbing.”

      I have read parts of the Manifesto and it is very clear that Tarrant emerges out of exactly the same situation that we are all emerging out of.
      …………………………

      If Felix Quigley means that the mass murdering NZ shooter and I and everyone else here live in the same world, this is true.

      Apart from that, we have little in common.

      And note that Felix Quigley is *still* unable to cite anything I have said that is untrue. His constantly saying I am lying does not make it so.

      More:

      The main point that Tarrant makes in his Manifesto over and over again, he keeps returning to it, and many times, is the same point that Charles Gave of France has made about three years ago. Which is that in his words inside of 40 years France will be a Muslim majority country. By birth rate.
      …………………………

      I guess Felix Quigley did finally get around to glancing at this “manifesto”.

      That there may be a valid point or two amidst all the homicidal ravings here means little.

      Note that Charles Gave has not been calling for mass murder himself, despite what Felix Quigley implies.

      More:

      Yet I do not see the Manifesto by Tarrant a rallying point. Tarrant in this regard is very like Gravenimage, he cuts out of his thinking completely history.
      …………………………

      Uh–right. Now Felix Quigley is trying to compare me to this savage mass murderer, despite my having condemned his actions over and over again, on this thread and elsewhere.

      Nice try…

      More:

      So, for example, Tarrant AND Gravenimage both leave out the Russian Revolution led by Lenin and Trotsky, as if it did not happen, and leave out thereby the destruction of that revolution by Stalin and Stalinism, a whole historical period.

      Tarrant does not discuss that at all.
      ……………………….

      Actually, the NZ shooter *does* touch on Communism–he says that the country he most admires is Communist China. This should not particularly surprise anyone.

      I have cited the savagery of the Russian Revolution and the horrors of the Soviet Union before–it just did not seem particularly relevant here, nor has Felix Quigley been able to show in what way it might be–except as another example of violence and savagery.

      More:

      Gravenimage not only does not discuss that but LIES about it.
      …………………………

      This actually makes no objective sense–how can someone lie about something while ignoring it?

      But of course I have done neither–I have often condemned the horrors of Communism and its blood-soaked history, but since this is Jihad Watch (and not Communism Watch) my main focus has been Jihad, rather than Communism. But–as I have often noted, they are not all that dissimilar, and are both hideously totalitarian.

      More:

      Not indeed a “rallying point”. But the struggle against censorship and self censorship needs to be a rallying point.
      …………………………

      Again, Felix Quigley can post anything he wants on his own blog, but does not have the right to demand that Jihad Watch plug any of his pet theories. If he *really* wants to try to convince Robert Spencer he should be promoting this unhinged “manifesto”, he can do so at the “Contact Us” box on the right-hand side of the page, rather than continuing to spam this comments thread. Good luck with that…

      More:

      In this struggle we have to confront these agents for censorship like Gravenimage and if we do not we are indeed lost, and Islam will be unstoppable, as Charles Gave clearly writes.
      …………………………

      Where has Charles Gave promoted this ugly “manifesto”? What rot.

      More, in reply to poster Boromir’s Horn:

      Listen Buster, you horn you, you are small fry in this discussion, first of all it is necessary to fight through the lies of Gravenimage, her sleight of hand on these big issues, and finally the fact that she is backing the NZ censorship and censorship with terror tactics and she is backing this horror show full on.
      …………………………

      No, Anti-Jihadist Boromir’s Horn is not “small fry” here. He has every right to comment here. Once again, Felix Quigley shows that he understands *nothing* about freedom of speech.

      And no–I have actually been quite critical of New Zealand’s actions here. Does Felix Quigley hope that no one here has actually read any of my comments?

      And once again he is unable to cite a single thing that I have lied about–doesn’t he realize that just spamming something over and over again is not proof? He is just terrible at rational argument–but I would expect nothing else of someone who backs the savagery of Communism.

      Moire:

      To sum up, her lies, her backing for the regime in NZ, her backing for censorship.
      …………………………

      I have actually done none of these things–I have not lied, I am not uncritical of New Zealand here, and I am not pro-censorship.

      More:

      Biggest issue on Jihadwatch for a long time because Gravenimage projects herself on Jihadwatch bigly!
      …………………………

      I ‘project myself bigly’? What does this mean? I post frequently here, but that is the extent of it. If Felix Quigley wants to post more frequently here on Jihad Watch himself, he is free to do so.

      More:

      So Byuster you little horn you stop providing a cover.
      …………………………

      Felix Quigley is ranting about censorship here, but he appears to want Boromir’s Horn to stop posting here. Oh, the irony…

      Note that I have *never* said that Felix Quigley should not spam his claptrap here. He can post, and sane people can counter his spewings.

      And Felix Quigley appears to be completely ignorant of the meaning of Boromir’s Horn’s user name. No real surprise there:

      https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Horn_of_Gondor

  26. Felix Quigley says

    Mar 21, 2019 at 11:12 am

    So if you dislike the “horn” name go by your own name as I do. You have entered into this discussion in order to provide a cover for Gravenimage.

    However Gravenimage is on the side of the hounding of people in New Zeraland who are opposed to the taking over of their country by Muslims and who are opposed to censorship, and a young boy of 18 is in prison and you three at least are supporting that.

    That is the issue. So don’t give me this stuff about debating civilly. I do but I also am relentless in exposing hypocrisy.

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 21, 2019 at 9:04 pm

      Felix Quigley wrote, replying to Boromir’s Horn:

      So if you dislike the “horn” name go by your own name as I do. You have entered into this discussion in order to provide a cover for Gravenimage.
      ……………………..

      Just because Felix Quigley is ignorant about Boromir’s Horn’s username, this does not mean that the rest of us here are.

      More:

      However Gravenimage is on the side of the hounding of people in New Zeraland (sic) who are opposed to the taking over of their country by Muslims and who are opposed to censorship, and a young boy of 18 is in prison and you three at least are supporting that.
      ……………………..

      I am against inciting violence, but–as I have noted here numerous times now–this sentence appears to be draconian from the information we have at this point.

      That Felix Quigley is raving over such a measured response is just bizarre.

      More:

      That is the issue. So don’t give me this stuff about debating civilly. I do but I also am relentless in exposing hypocrisy.
      ……………………..

      Of course Felix Quigley does not care about civil debate–he much prefers smearing anyone who does not share his love of imposing totalitarianis on his victims. After all, if his sick vision of another Communist state is ever realized, no one will expect those enforcing this savagery to be civil.

      And how is anything I said hypocritical? I am quite consistent, both rationally and morally. Just like Felix Quigley’s claims that I have lied, he doesn’t bother to back this up with any citations at all.

      • Felix Quigley says

        Mar 22, 2019 at 3:52 am

        I will take this part because Gravenimage writes liek a chapter all copy and past, all reaction, never initiating knowledge

        She writes

        “Just because Felix Quigley is ignorant about Boromir’s Horn’s username, this does not mean that the rest of us here are.”

        I do not know this and there may be others also. So why chose it and why not write under own authentic name?

        Gravenimage writes

        “More:

        However Gravenimage is on the side of the hounding of people in New Zeraland (sic) who are opposed to the taking over of their country by Muslims and who are opposed to censorship, and a young boy of 18 is in prison and you three at least are supporting that.
        ……………………..

        I am against inciting violence, but–as I have noted here numerous times now–this sentence appears to be draconian from the information we have at this point.”

        Here we are the very centre of the difference with Gravenimage. If any person, say this boy, is on the wrong lines, if you disagree with him, then answer him in words. DEFEND HIS RIGHT TO PUBLISH.

        Above all other things Gravenimage…

        DO NOT GO WITH THE REPRESSION OF THE STATE MACHINE”

        It is the latter that you Gravenimage are doing.

        There is not one hair of difference between you Gravenimage and this reactionary PM of New Zealand.

        That IS the issue.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 22, 2019 at 9:05 pm

          Felix Quigley wrote:

          I will take this part because Gravenimage writes liek (sic) a chapter all copy and past, all reaction, never initiating knowledge
          …………………………..

          Actually, the only “copy and past” (I presume he means “copy and paste”) was my citing Felix Quigley’s own comments.

          And I ‘initiate knowledge’ as he puts it all the time–I posted on this thread long before Felix Quigley did.

          The implication that I only post at Jihad Watch in reply to his own comments is of course absurd. In fact, I comment on most stories here at Jihad Watch, and often offer original information.

          More:

          She writes

          “Just because Felix Quigley is ignorant about Boromir’s Horn’s username, this does not mean that the rest of us here are.”

          I do not know this and there may be others also. So why chose it and why not write under own authentic name?
          …………………………..

          I addressed this above–it is dangerous for many to post here under their own names. And Boromir’s Horn is not that obscure a reference–it would take Felix Quigley five seconds to Google the reference. And he need not even do that–it is quite possible to read and respond to anyone’s comments without necessarily knowing the origins of their username.

          As for the rest, I have already indicated many times that I consider this sentence in NZ to be absurdly draconian. That Felix Quigley keeps ignoring this is just ludicrous–I suppose he hopes that other posters here will not notice.

          But his implication that incitement to violence is the core of freedom of speech is also grotesque–in fact, incitement of violence is pretty much the only thing *not* protected by freedom of speech.

  27. Felix Quigley says

    Mar 21, 2019 at 11:18 am

    Tarrant must be supported and defended on the basis that he has identified the main issue which is the breeding out of non Muslim people by Muslims. That fact is far more important than Jihad violence. It is both more important and it is also inseparable from Jihad violence. That is the way Tarrant starts his Manifesto and this must not be lied about or hidden. Where he goes from there can be disagreed about. But that is an important factor in this discussion and it is something that the people opposing me here especially Gravenimage is both hiding and lying about. Gravenimage is really a conscious liar. She took things I said and she totally lied about what I said. It is very difficult to be successful in any struggle with such a liar in our midst.

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 21, 2019 at 9:21 pm

      Felix Quigley wrote:

      Tarrant must be supported and defended on the basis that he has identified the main issue which is the breeding out of non Muslim people by Muslims. That fact is far more important than Jihad violence.
      ………………………………..

      Felix Quigley appears to be enraged that no one else here wants to support and defend a mass murderer. Poor fellow…

      Certainly, his point about Muslim breeding rates is valid, but this is hardly something he himself discovered. There are others who make this point without slaughtering people.

      Felix Quigley can die on this hill if he wants to–I doubt he will have much company, though…

      More:

      It is both more important and it is also inseparable from Jihad violence. That is the way Tarrant starts his Manifesto and this must not be lied about or hidden. Where he goes from there can be disagreed about. But that is an important factor in this discussion and it is something that the people opposing me here especially Gravenimage is both hiding and lying about.
      ………………………………..

      What claptrap. I was the one who posted a link to this “manifesto”–several times now–so the idea that I am trying to hide its contents makes no sense at all.

      And I have actually been commenting about the threat of both Muslim immigration into the West as well as high Muslim birthrates–and I have been doing so long before this murderer included a reference to this in his “manifesto”, including my having cited the Muslim taunt “we will conquer you through the wombs of our women” many times.

      More:

      Gravenimage is really a conscious liar. She took things I said and she totally lied about what I said.
      ………………………………..

      Yet again, what have I said that is not true? Felix Quigley has got nothing. He just does not like the fact that I am not in agreement with him over wanting to destroy the free West and imposing a brutal Communist state in its place.

      More:

      It is very difficult to be successful in any struggle with such a liar in our midst.
      ………………………………..

      Well, this is just absurd. Even if I *were* dishonest here in opposing the savagery of Communism as well as that of Islam–and I am not–that this somehow damages the chances of successfully opposing the threat of Islam is ridiculous.

      What Felix Quigley *really* means is that he thinks that without me he would be able to get Jihad Watchers flocking to the cause of Communism. He’s deluding himself, though.

      And while I consider his constant flogging of Troskyism pointless, ugly, and annoying, he is not compromising the fight against Jihad–because this fight is, thank goodness, a lot bigger than he is.

      • Felix Quigley says

        Mar 22, 2019 at 4:04 am

        No Gravenimage you are a liar (A most vicious liar) and I can prove it very easily indeed. In other words YOU DO LIE and often. I can prove that.

        But the issue here is this…You write:

        “And while I consider his constant flogging of Troskyism pointless, ugly, and annoying, he is not compromising the fight against Jihad–because this fight is, thank goodness, a lot bigger than he is.”

        Note thelanguage used here “flogging of Troskyism”.

        That is exactly what I am not doing. I do believe in Marx and Trotsky of course I do. But that is not the issue here.

        I am saying that it is a very big issue that Tarrant gets it so right on the question that the overall strategy of Islam is the demographics. So it is a very big thing indeed that Tarrant takes the same position as Charles Gave on France, that it will be Muslim majority inside of now 37 years, by his calculations.

        That is a very big thing Gravenimage.

        Also a very big thing that after getting this exactly right Tarrant then (shooting up a mosque) uses a method that helps the Muslim Jihad against our civilization, also the civilization remember of the French Revolution.

        How did Tarrant go from there to there? That is a massive and hugely important question.

        But Gravenimage will do anything but discuss this Manifesto.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 22, 2019 at 9:23 pm

          More from the increasingly tiresome Felix Quigley:

          No Gravenimage you are a liar (A most vicious liar) and I can prove it very easily indeed. In other words YOU DO LIE and often. I can prove that.

          But the issue here is this…You write:

          “And while I consider his constant flogging of Troskyism pointless, ugly, and annoying, he is not compromising the fight against Jihad–because this fight is, thank goodness, a lot bigger than he is.”

          Note thelanguage used here “flogging of Troskyism”.

          That is exactly what I am not doing. I do believe in Marx and Trotsky of course I do. But that is not the issue here.
          ……………………………

          How am I lying by saying that Felix Quigley flogs Trotskytism?

          Besides the meaning of the word in the literal sense–that is, to beat with a stick–flogging also means “to sell, especially aggressively or vigorously” and “to promote; publicize”.

          https://www.dictionary.com/browse/flogging

          Felix Quigley constantly does this, including on this very thread.

          So no–I am not lying at all.

          More:

          I am saying that it is a very big issue that Tarrant gets it so right on the question that the overall strategy of Islam is the demographics. So it is a very big thing indeed that Tarrant takes the same position as Charles Gave on France, that it will be Muslim majority inside of now 37 years, by his calculations.

          That is a very big thing Gravenimage.
          ……………………………

          No, it’s not a big thing. As I have already noted, this has been mentioned by many sane and decent people–including Hugh Fitzgerald here at Jihad Watch.

          That this homicidal maniac mentions it in passing is not particularly significant–except in Felix Quigley’s imaginings.

          This issue has been covered here at Jihad Watch, by the Washington Post, at the American Conservative, by Daniel Pipes, at the Gates of Vienna blog, and many other places. That it also turned up in this nut’s “manifesto” tells us little.

          More:

          Also a very big thing that after getting this exactly right Tarrant then (shooting up a mosque) uses a method that helps the Muslim Jihad against our civilization, also the civilization remember of the French Revolution.

          How did Tarrant go from there to there? That is a massive and hugely important question.
          ……………………………

          Not really. If the implication is that other Anti-Jihadists are unhinged and poised for committing violence, this is calumny.

          One might as well focus on Tarrant’s calling himself an “eco-fascist” and admiring Communist China as on his passing reference to Muslim birthrates.

          More:

          But Gravenimage will do anything but discuss this Manifesto.
          ……………………………

          I have actually, discussed this witless “manifesto” at length here–giving it far more attention than it warrants.

  28. Felix Quigley says

    Mar 21, 2019 at 11:23 am

    One of the great shames of Jihadwatch is that there are so many on this site who often come across as great fighters against Jihad but they have been totally silent on the move into dictatorship and Fascism shown in the jailing of this young boy. I support Robert Spencer in many things but I am not at all sure if Jihadwatch can recover from this. This IS the biggest issue that there has ever been on Jihadwatch because so many people involved on Jihadwatch are unable to defend this boy. I do insist on this. It is the biggest issue ever and it is current. The boy is languishing in jail this very moment.

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 21, 2019 at 9:40 pm

      Felix Quigley wrote:

      One of the great shames of Jihadwatch is that there are so many on this site who often come across as great fighters against Jihad but they have been totally silent on the move into dictatorship and Fascism shown in the jailing of this young boy. I support Robert Spencer in many things but I am not at all sure if Jihadwatch can recover from this. This IS the biggest issue that there has ever been on Jihadwatch because so many people involved on Jihadwatch are unable to defend this boy. I do insist on this. It is the biggest issue ever and it is current. The boy is languishing in jail this very moment.
      ……………………

      The idea that Jihad Watch can never recover from someone saying that inciting violence is disgusting but that this sentence appears to be draconian is *very* strange.

      And there are at this point 97 comments on this story, so a lot of posters are being anything *but* silent on this story.

      And Felix Quigley appears to believe that he can “insist” on who posts at Jihad Watch and to dictate what they are allowed to say. He is actually mistaken.

    • marc says

      Mar 22, 2019 at 12:08 am

      I really can’t tell if @Felix Quigley is a raving lunatic or agent provocateur,
      There is clearly no interest here in sharing either the mosque murderers manifesto or his video.
      The purpose of this site is extremely clear, “Exposing the role that Islamic jihad theology and ideology play in the modern global conflicts”.
      Your discussion is troll like and irrelevant here, if you do not cease this behaviour I will ban you. Gravenimage may not have that ability, but I do.

      • Felix Quigley says

        Mar 22, 2019 at 4:10 am

        Marc writes:

        “Your discussion is troll like and irrelevant here, if you do not cease this behaviour I will ban you. Gravenimage may not have that ability, but I do.”

        Firstly who are YOU?

        Never even noticed you before!!!

        So you have the power to ban me but not Gravenimage? WHO ARE YOU?

        So ban me then fool! You think that will deal with the issues raised here in how this man Tarrant went from correct analysis of the key issue to action which helps the Jihad.

        And Marc WHO? Print your name you coward.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 22, 2019 at 9:34 pm

          Marc Louis is part of the Jihad Watch board.

          Here is one of his articles for Jihad Watch:

          “What you can do to stop the blocking of jihad news on Facebook”

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/02/what-you-can-do-to-stop-the-blocking-of-jihad-news-on-facebook

          Here are more stories by him:

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/author/marclouis

          He is also Jihad Watch’s ‘tech guru’.

          If you check out the “Contact Us” box, you will notice that all technical questions are fielded by him.

        • marc says

          Mar 23, 2019 at 9:18 am

          Still trying to “break this cabal apart and let the clear sunlight of the truth get into the cobwebs of the Neocons!”

          https://web.archive.org/web/20190323130714/https://themarxistblog.wordpress.com/tag/felix-quigley/

          How’s that working out for you Felix?

        • Ashley says

          Mar 23, 2019 at 12:11 pm

          What say you now Lix? What say you!
          ______________

          I think Felix has left the building.

          And no doubt in the spirit of “I’m taking my ball and going home!”

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 23, 2019 at 2:22 pm

          Wow–that article is bizarre. I had missed that blogpost from Felix Quigley–I didn’t even know he had a blog besides his Marxist one–where he prophesied the end of Spencer and Geller for writing about liberty in 2013. (As well as Debbie Schlussel and Tommy Robinson).

          He seems positively gleeful about it, too–*very* strange from someone who is supposed to be concerned about the threat of Islam.

  29. a says

    Mar 21, 2019 at 8:11 pm

    Give it a break, Felix. Your ramblings here are incoherent and tedious. You don’t have much of a following on social media platforms as far as I can see.

    If you could articulate and not attack, if you could express without belittling, if you could make a cogent point without wandering off the reservation…if only.

    Nice to have met you. Happier to part ways…

  30. Felix Quigley says

    Mar 22, 2019 at 3:15 am

    And here we go once again. The silence of the fools and reactionaries. All now combining on Jihadwatch to refuse and conspire really to discuss the Manifesto of Tarrant.

    However that precisely is what needs to be discussed.

    Tarrant in one respect at least, how he starts in the Manifesto, is completely correct in saying that the main problem is the Islamic collective as a whole, the deliberately high birth rate combined with the very low birthrate of such as the French or the British national people.

    So Tarrant in THAT respect is totally in line with Charles Gave the French analyst who predicts ON THAT VERY SAME BASIS that inside of 40 years (Gave was speaking on this 3 years ago so it is less now and time starts ticking down) THERE WILL BE MAJORITY MUSLIM POPULATION IN FRANCE, LAND OF REVOLUTION WILL BECOME SHARIA.

    Then the next big question is that the method used by Tarrant is totally counter productive.

    And those are the two things that need to be discussed and understood.

    And that is where censorship which is now being imposed on us by a very wide circle, including by all on Jihadwatch, the ones who are silent, the ones who oppose me, try to attack me on many levels while refusing to take up THIS discussion, are heading.

    The worst of these by far is Gravenimage and is followed by all those who have talked so much and so long over the years but now are silent, but the biggest issue stares them in the face. That is cowardly.

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 22, 2019 at 9:38 pm

      Yet more spam.

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