Islamic tolerance. The Qur’an says “There is no compulsion in religion” (2:256). However, what constitutes “compulsion” is in the eye of the beholder. The institutionalized subjugation of the dhimma, with its regular humiliation and harassment, from which one can be freed for the simple price of converting to Islam, is not considered compulsion. Remember Steve Centanni and Olaf Wiig, the journalists who were kidnapped and forced to convert to Islam — even though their conversions were obviously coerced, their captors made them say that they were converting freely, and the captors probably believed that themselves. After all, the journos could have chosen to be killed instead.
“Two Hindu girls abducted on Holi eve in Pakistan’s Sindh,” by Yudhvir Rana, Times of India, March 23, 2019:
AMRITSAR: Two Hindu teenaged girls in Pakistan were allegedly kidnapped and forcibly converted to Islam on Holi eve in Dharki town of Sindh’s Ghotki district.
This led the Hindu community to stage massive protests, seeking stern action against the perpetrators and reminding Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan of his assurance to minorities.
Pakistan Hindu Sewa Welfare Trust Sanjesh Dhanja president told TOI over phone from Karachi on Friday that two sisters – Raveena, 13 and Reena, 15 – were allegedly abducted and forcibly converted to Islam after their marriage.
Pakistan Hindu Sewa Welfare Trust chief alleged that the police only lodged an FIR after the minority community came out on the streets to protest.
Imran Khan had recently tweeted, “Naya Pakistan is Quaid’s (Jinnah) Pakistan and we will ensure that our minorities are treated as equal citizens, unlike what is happening in India.”
The tweet had stirred a controversy.
Anjum James Paul, assistant professor of political science and head of department, Government Post Graduate College, Samundri, Pakistan, posted a poser for Imran Khan on his Facebook page: “And now who will stand (up) for Reena, Raveena and Sadaf Khan, Hindu and Christian Pakistani minor girls, who have been snatched from parents after abduction and conversion in February and March.”…
He said the two sisters were abducted and converted when they were celebrating Holi on March 20, while Sadaf Khan, a 13-year-old Christian girl was abducted, converted and married on February 6.
Dhanja further said that before this two other Hindu girls, Komal and Sonia, were abducted and forcibly converted.
Hari Singh says
This has been going on for over a thousand years. Since the arrival of Islam over a thousand years ago to India, scholars estimate between 50 million and upwards of 200 million Indians have been killed.
It is time that partition be completed and Pakistani Hindus and Sikhs be given refugees status in India and Indian Muslims be encouraged to go to Pakistan.
These outrages are making the situation between India and Pakistan worse possibly resulting in a war with nuclear ramifications.
The murder and abduction of Hindus and Sikhs must stop.
Jaladhi says
Hari Singh, you know this will not stop ever in Pakistan. It is in Muslim DNA – as they have done it ever since they invaded and occupied India. And in Pakistan who is going to stop them. – what ever Pakistan does in some cases it is for show only. and besides it isa daily occurrence – Hindu, Sikh, Christian .girls are not safe in Pakistan!! And in Egypt Muslims kidnap, convert and marry Coptic Christian girls!! Same beahvior everywhere. As the West has allowed Muslims to invade their countries in hordes under the guise of refugees, migrants, or multiculturalism, etc, they will reap the rewards of this folly when Muslim population multiplies with their higher birthrate in future.
Kay says
Did you hear Omar in her speech to CAIR refer to Mihammed’s invasions of other countries as “nation building”?
It’s clearly been violent takeover. Is she deceiving herself or just trying to deceive others?
gravenimage says
This is not Muslim DNA, since most Muslims there are descended from Hindus.
It is Muslim ideology.
Mac-101 says
It could very well be in the DNA. The good/compassionate ones are exterminated and those who murder have numerous wives and Sex Slaves BREED!
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Some scientist say the white man has been around only 10000 years due to superior vitamin D production in northern latitudes due to Europe being repopulated with the beginning of Global Warmin after the last Ice Year.
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1400 years of boinkin your 1st cousin can definitely cause some dominate and recessive genes. Take it form a cattle breeder.
t. says
+1!
t. says
My above comment is for you gravenimage.
mortimer says
Not much chance of the stopping, Singh. The parliament of Pakistan refused to pass a bill protecting minorities against forcible conversion. The Pak blasphemy law keeps it semi-legal for vigilantes to abduct and murder minorities while in the service of Allah. Sharia law removes most legal rights from non-Muslims. As long as the Council of Islamic Ideology exists in Pakistan these problems will persist. The council defends Sharia supremacism.
gravenimage says
Grimly true, Mortimer.
Mac-101 says
So True. Muslims, You can’t live with em, but you can SURELY live WITHOUT them!
Krishna says
such an beautiful girls spoiled their lives by islam
Utis says
Does anyone know if the girls are safely back home and getting help to recover? I don’t see that mentioned in the article. Only a muslim would believe this “conversion” isn’t bogus. We are talking Pakistan, however.
gravenimage says
Sadly, I very much doubt it.
Girls who are kidnapped, raped, “married” to Muslims and forced to convert to Islam in the Muslim world are almost never allowed to escape.
Kerry Wade says
I believe the Hindu religion is far superior to the authoritarian gods of Judaism, Islam and Christianity even though I’m a confirmed atheist. Islam, as has been analysed, is not really a religion, it is a barbaric ideology and I hope India will take military action to stop these sickening conversions.
Wellington says
Kerry Wade: I wish to respectfully take issue with you about Hinduism being “far superior” to Judaism and Christianity. To Islam, yes, here we have no disagreement.
The reason why I am taking issue with you is that Judaism and Christianity place the most emphasis on the dignity and worth of the individual and thus work most easily with democratic tenets. Hinduism, though subtle (so are Judaism and Christianity in their own ways) and not a menace to humanity as Islam surely is, is possessed of a collectivist element that does not prize the individual as much. The multiple lives aspect of Hinduism also mitigates against Hinduism valuing the individual human being as much as Judaism and Christianity do. And let’s not forget that Hinduism traditionally had the caste system with the Untouchables, the lowest class, treated in sundry ways with contempt. The Christian and Judaic theological blueprints are devoid of any kind of tiered caste phenomenon—to their credit.
Finally, the removal by the ancient Hebrews of God from nature, looking upon the deity as a purely spiritual phenomenon, opened up the opportunity to look upon nature as not something to stand in awe of because it is suffused with spiritual realities and thus was an important, indeed an imperative, first step towards the idea that nature is here for mankind to use, understand, explore, explain and manipulate for the betterment of the human species. This was necessary in order for the scientific method to eventually develop since if you stand in awe of nature and see it spiritually endowed you are far less likely to try to comprehend it using reason alone, something uniquely invented by the West, which has bettered the lives of hundreds upon hundreds of millions of people, actually billions, and one can trace the origins of the scientific method in part to the theological development of ancient Judaism which was passed onto Christianity. This viewpoint, combined with the purely philosophical approach to existence developed by the ancient Greeks, proved to be highly instrumental in Western Civilization achieving what it did in the realms of science and technology as well as exploring the parameters of freedom such as no other civilization remotely has.
By the way, and for the record, I am not religious in the least. I am an agnostic but I nonetheless, all things considered, look upon Judaism and Christianity as the two most beneficial religions ever developed by man because of the reasons I stated above. I mean no slight to Hinduism nor to other Eastern religions or ways of thought like Buddhism and Taoism, all of which are worthy of admiration and not a menace to liberty as Islam surely is, but in comprehending why the West achieved more than any other civilization in history, and it most certainly did as Ibn Warraq, no Westerner himself, asserted in his tome “Why The West Is Best,” and not appreciate the contributions of Judaism and Christianity in this extraordinary achievement (and once again, also the ancient Greeks) is to miss a great deal, a huge amount actually. If you wish to respond to this comment of mine, I would be pleased to read it.
Mac-101 says
Very True Wellington. Western Civilization would never have advanced without the Real Life of Christ and his Teachings brought to the masses with the Printing Press in the indigenous languages of the populace..
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You forgot to mention the practice of Suttee,or something like that I believe. I found it amusing that when the British General made an effort to stop burnin widow ladies alive on their husband’s funeral pier and was told they could NOT stop it, he said go head “It is the British custom to hang those who kill widows. I’ve read the practice was greatly reduced after that.
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Raja says
Mac 101,
The practice of burning widow alive was abolished by the Brits. It originated when the vanquished Hindu women (and probably the society then) were unwilling to be carried away by marauding Muslims from Afghanistan and bordering areas of present day India.
In recent times a few widow burning did take place albeit with stealth and some public support prominent being Roop Kanwar of Rajasthan.
gravenimage says
Thankfully, the horrific practice of Suttee (or Sati) is illegal in India and is almost entirely a thing of the past.
Would that we could say the same regarding the barbarism of Islam.
Mac-101 says
Raja, I assume your Indian and perhaps most likely Hindu. Why is it every Indian I ever met in the USA have been highly intelligent and an extremely good citizen, but India has never really blossomed like Red China has? Your opinion?
Wellington says
I thought, Mac-101, of mentioning suttee, but I am not clear on whether that could be found in the Hindu theological blueprint or was rather a cultural matter due to exigent circumstances as Raja mentioned. My guess is that it was never part of Hinduism per se but I would welcome further exposition on this matter. Could it be the case that Hinduism never encouraged it but also never condemned it? I simply don’t know.
Respecting Jesus, though I, as with so many others, including Thomas Jefferson, have not considered Jesus divine, there is nonetheless zero doubt in my mind that the character of Jesus is infinitely preferable to that of Mohammed and I don’t see how any Muslim who “takes the chance” of reading the Gospels (and Acts), something unfortunately the vast majority of Muslims never do (Hell, many Muslims don’t even know what’s in the damn Koran), could possibly conclude that Mohammed should still be the Model Man and Jesus consigned to any kind of inferior status compared to Mohammed. This is part of the reason why I have stated numerous times that were every Muslim to wake up tomorrow a devout Christian, the world would suddenly be a far better, freer, wiser and safer world to live in.
gravenimage says
Raja wrote:
The practice of burning widow alive was abolished by the Brits. It originated when the vanquished Hindu women (and probably the society then) were unwilling to be carried away by marauding Muslims from Afghanistan and bordering areas of present day India.
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Raja, I hesitate to spend too much time on this topic, though, since the victims here are Hindu girls. Still, the grisly practice of suttee actually considerably predates the Muslim invasion of India.
Mac-101 says
Gravin, Back in the early 1970s I studied pretty much ALL the worlds major religion in depth. The practice does go back to the original Hindu Gods and when one of the Goddesses’ Husbands died she burned herself with him. Now thinkin about it how does a God die? Some say it is more about movin on and passing the family wealth on to the younger males. So like most things, generated by Power and/or Money.
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You’d think they’d have made it less terrifying by drugging the women to the point of oblivion so they did NOT run out of the fire once the ropes that tied them to their husband burnt off. Then they would git thrown back into the fire. Some British observers claimed that the local populace considered it entertainment, kinda like the sick SOBs back in the days of Lynicing in the USA.
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My wife of 42 years died a few months ago and it still feels like a major portion of me is missin. If our religion promised salvation for a spouse preforming Suttee I may of considered it. However instead of permanent salvation and no more reincarnations like Suttee promises, Christianity promises eternal hell and damnation for suicide.
Wellington says
On a most important specific matter, Mac-101, may I extend to you my condolences respecting the recent demise of your wife. Whatever differences that exist between us (and I indulge myself by thinking that we do agree on more than a little), this is as nothing compared to the loss you have experienced. 42 years is a long time to be with a spouse. Indeed, it is a blessing as much as the loss of that spouse is a tragedy.
A la Lincoln, may the many fond memories you have of your wife serve as a comfort for you for the remaining years of your life. And thank you again for serving our nation. Take care.
gravenimage says
Mac, I am *so* sorry to hear about the death of your wife. I can only imagine the pain you must feel. I’m glad you had 42 years together (my husband and I just celebrated our 30th anniversary).
And I agree with the rest of your comments.
Mac-101 says
Thank you for your kind thoughts Wellington and Gravin. We, bein a Free People are bound to disagree on points. That is what makes America so great and which is bein snuffed out by the Leftist as much as they can.
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G-d, Country and Family are the most important things in Life and the Left hates all three and work tirelessly to destroy them. Islam is just another tool for them. One which will destroy them also in the end.
gravenimage says
Islam has very little in common morally with Judaism and Christianity.
Raja says
Indeed Gravenimage, In fact they are just opposites
gravenimage says
+1
Wellington says
So true, gravenimage. I wish far more would comprehend this.
alex reid says
Sura 109:5-6; Nor will you worship that which I worship. To you your religion, & to me my religion. There is another line from the Koran, had a scan through the Koran, but it’s there,……. “There is no compulsion in Religion.” something like that. So,….. when are the International Courts/Politicians going to move on this? Don’t hold your breath.
gravenimage says
Pakistan: Muslims abduct two Hindu girls, marry them to Muslims, forcibly convert them to Islam
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These *poor girls*. And despite Imran Kahn’s Taqiyya, I doubt Pakistani authorities will do anything to help the victims.
God, I hate Islam.
Mac-101 says
U wasting your time hatin a poe rabid dog. We must hate the PoliTicks, Financial, Judiciary Leaders and Media who allow this madness!
Battle says
Islam Moslems take Hindu and Christian girls age 13 and 15, kidnap, force to convert, force to marry. Is assault, kidnapping, child abductiion, child abuse, child molestation, rape and statutory rape, criminal multiple felonies.
gravenimage says
Grimly, most of this is not considered a crime in Islam.
Called LOVE JIHAD says
Its called LOVE JIHAD there and were discussed in TV years ago-you can find some clips in english in youtube.
na says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcPX7tGi6yM
This news is at least a joke(comics) good to hear.
But your news is very dangerous Robert.
Battle says
Boycott divestment and sanctions. As proposed by a previous poster same subject buy nothing from Pakistan unless known to be made exclusively by individuals and companies who do not support criminal multiple felonies assaulters, kidnappers, child abusers, child molesters and child rapists. Buy nothing from Pakistan. Where is the Office of Religious Freedom and Congress on sanctions? As proposed by a previous person, “Throw them out of your mosques.” And throw out the criminal imams, criminal muftis, criminal police, criminal prosecutors and criminal judges pushing and trafficking kidnappees, molestees and rapees.
dumbledoresarmy says
““And now who will stand (up) for Reena, Raveena and Sadaf Khan, Hindu and Christian Pakistani minor girls, who have been snatched from parents after abduction and conversion in February and March.”…
He said the two sisters were abducted and converted when they were celebrating Holi on March 20, while Sadaf Khan, a 13-year-old Christian girl was abducted, converted and married on February 6.
Dhanja further said that before this two other Hindu girls, Komal and Sonia, were abducted and forcibly converted.”
Perhaps the foolish hijab-donning PM of NZ should be sent a letter describing these most recent instances of Muslim supremacist abuse of vulnerable non-Muslim minorities, and requesting that she show some solidarity with these abused women and girls, non-Muslim women and girls who DON’T want to become Muslim but have been seized, terrorised, raped, probably beaten, very likely drugged, and terrorised by – very real – threats not just against themselves but against their families.
It is n’t just happening in Pakistan, either; it is also very, very, very common in Islamic Egypt, for the Christian girls there to be preyed upon by the Muslims; whilst the Authorities (Muslim to a man) either ignore it or actively aid and abet and approve of it.