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Robert Spencer: Freedom of Speech Dead in UK as London’s Muslim Mayor Defends Arrest of Christian Preacher

Mar 24, 2019 1:00 pm By Robert Spencer

Britain continues to race toward its own ruin. My latest in the Geller Report:

How much has Britain deteriorated as a free society? This much: a Christian preacher from Nigeria, Oluwole Ilesanmi, recently discovered that preaching Christianity in public is illegal in London, because it offends Muslims. And London’s Muslim mayor has defended the arrest of Ilesanmi, saying that “there are limitations” on the freedom of speech.

Ilesanmi was arrested on February 23 while he was preaching, after a Muslim complained to police. A London activist, Ambrosine Shitrit, filmed the arrest. She explained what happened in an interview with CBN News: “A man with a hoodie was trying to humiliate, to be aggressive towards this Christian street preacher. I could see that he was a Muslim man because he was talking about, ‘No. Allah is the right way.’”

The Muslim who was harassing Ilesanmi was not arrested. Ilesanmi was. A police officer asked him, “What are you doing here?”

“I am preaching,” Ilesanmi answered.

The police officer responded: “You’re preaching. I am going to require you to go away.”

To that, Ilesanmi said: “You can never.”

“Okay,” said the police officer, “then I will arrest you for breach of peace.” What Ilesanmi asked him how he was breaching the peace, the officer replied: “What you’re doing. You’re causing problems, you’re disturbing people’s day and you’re breaching their peace.”

Ambrosine Shitrit explains: “Nobody was offended by the preaching, nobody. Nobody was offended and nobody came to see what was happening.”

Andrea Williams of the Christian Legal Centre, which is working with Ilesanmi on his case, explained: “This was completely an overreach of their authority. There was no basis upon which to arrest the pastor although they did know clearly because it’s caught on the camera. There was no proper investigation. They arrested him for Islamophobia which isn’t an offense and certainly there was no evidence of the fact that he was Islamophobic or racist.”

London’s Muslim mayor, Sadiq Khan, thought this arrest was just fine. According to Christian Today, Khan was asked about the arrest of Ilesanmi during Mayor’s Question Time at the London Assembly on March 21. Instead of saying that he thought the arrest was appalling and gratuitous, and defending the freedom of speech in general and Ilesanmi’s right to preach Christianity in particular, Khan said with studied blandness: “I expect the police to take this matter seriously.”

He added: “It’s always been clear that freedom of speech is critical and must be protected but also the police must be able to investigate when allegations are made of a criminal offence.”

The possible “criminal offense” in Ilesanmi’s case is “Islamophobia” or offending a Muslim, which are criminal offenses according to Sharia, but not illegal in Britain – at least not officially.

This is in a London that has become so unsafe that Somali Muslim migrants are actually sending their children back to war-torn Mogadishu in order to keep them out of harm’s way. Crime rates are skyrocketing in Khan’s London, and Khan’s police are devoting time and attention not to stopping knife crime and making the city safe again, but making sure that Muslims don’t have to suffer hearing the sound of Christian preaching.

And when Khan was asked whether Christians could preach in London without risking arrest, he answered: “There’s not an unlimited right to freedom of expression or free speech. There are limitations and there’s a balance that needs to be done. But I’m quite clear in my own views – we should go as far as we can to uphold that really important principle [of free speech] and that includes discourse about religion.”

If there are any limits to the freedom of speech other than prohibitions on open calls for violence and criminal activity, then there is no freedom of speech at all. And if there is no freedom of speech, there is no longer a free society. Muslims complained about Oluwole Ilesanmi’s preaching, and now it is official: Muslims in Britain are a protected class whose wishes must be catered to in all circumstances.

As long as that principle goes unchallenged, Britain will continue to race toward its own ruin.

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Comments

  1. paul 316 says

    Mar 24, 2019 at 1:19 pm

    If we don’t block the encroachment of islam in America, soon we will lose our rights as well.

    • K WAGNER says

      Mar 24, 2019 at 3:46 pm

      AMEN!

  2. Ann Marie says

    Mar 24, 2019 at 1:32 pm

    Okay, this problem with Islam is reaching Twilight Zone proportions…

    You would think that this far in man’s evolution, we would’ve been able to distinguish good from evil. But the perception that islam is good and Christianity is evil is beyond belief.

    How many muslim missionaries go into war battered countries to help out the poor and sick? No, their way of doing things is to invade, pillage, rape and kill…
    Organizations? Hospitals? Of course not..

    I fear humanity has reached the pinnacle of its existence and is quickly siding down into the medieval times.. Probably further if we allow Islam to continue as it is..

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 26, 2019 at 3:26 pm

      +1

  3. christianblood says

    Mar 24, 2019 at 1:46 pm

    WAKE UP LIPTARDS! THIS IS SPIRITUAL WAR AND THE ONLY SOLUTION LIES IN MASS CRUSADER/TEMPLAR MARCHES!

    • Wellington says

      Mar 24, 2019 at 2:09 pm

      The only solution, christianblood, is Crusader marches? How about just accurately describing Islam as inimical to liberty and equality under the law and pursuing legal recourses based upon this whereby Muslim immigration to the West is stopped, Muslims already in the West put on notice that any part of Sharia which is contrary to Western legal codes and constitutions and engaged in will be prosecuted to the maximum and social ostracization of Islam occurs by way of severe criticism and mockery of Mo’s warped creed?

      What, are only recourse, are, per your words, “MASS CRUSADER/TEMPLAR MARCHES! What a buffoon you are.

      • gravenimage says

        Mar 24, 2019 at 2:33 pm

        And while it is pleasant to see Spain acknowledging her past and her fight to regain her freedom from Islam, this is mostly a tourist festival in Murcia. It’s been going on for a long time, and is not a specific reference to the modern Jihad threat at all.

        And far from being a fighting force, the Knights Templar today are mostly about dressing up. You can become a “Full Sir Knight” for USD $890.00.

        https://www.knightstemplarorder.com/join

        This is fun, and a nice nod to history, but is not a serious part of the Counter Jihad at all as christianblood seems to think.

        • christianblood says

          Mar 24, 2019 at 6:38 pm

          gravenimage

          The website you quoted above as ‘knightstemplar’ is just a person or a group of people sharing some good ideas and selling costumes. They are not real Templar’s order!

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 26, 2019 at 3:33 pm

          The Knights Templar no longer exist as an order–they have not existed as such since 1312.

      • christianblood says

        Mar 24, 2019 at 2:37 pm

        Wellington

        Don’t expect Western governments to do the things you are talking about!
        As a secular agnostic person, you won’t understand this but this is a spiritual war to the core and Islamists and Leftists are winning it! You can’t fight spiritual war with secular methods! If the original Templars were not persecuted and destroyed by the greedy Catholic Popes and Kings, Islamists, Leftists and others like them would not be doing what they are doing today in the Western world, with impunity. The original Templars knew the profound mystic/secret knowledge that I am talking about here. See (St. Matthew 13:11).

        Do Western Christians today know this secret (mystic) knowledge and its holy implications? No, they don’t! Because their consciousness and Christianity is so materialized, rationalized and secularized that they have NO clue anything beyond their childish materialized senses! The situation is very, very serious, and its like a vicious pincer movement! Profound ignorance and materialized consciousness of the masses on the one front and Islamism and leftism on the other!

        (…The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit…) 1 Corinthians 2:14.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 24, 2019 at 2:43 pm

          christianblood has said before that Christians in the West are not “real” Christians because most are Catholic or Protestant, and he demands that God let Muslims conquer and destroy us.

        • CRUSADER says

          Mar 25, 2019 at 1:38 am

          The Parable of the Sower

          13 That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the lake. 2 Such large crowds gathered around him that he got into a boat and sat in it, while all the people stood on the shore. 3 Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. 8 Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. 9 Whoever has ears, let them hear.”

          10 The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?”

          11 He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12 Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 13 This is why I speak to them in parables:

          “Though seeing, they do not see;
          though hearing, they do not hear or understand.

          +++

        • christianblood says

          Mar 25, 2019 at 8:03 am

          CRUSADER

          +1

        • christianblood says

          Mar 25, 2019 at 8:26 am

          CRUSADER

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 26, 2019 at 3:40 am

          This is odd–I thought christianblood was an Orthodox Christian, and didn’t consider any other Christians to be real Christians–yet the Gnostic “Gospel of Thomas” is not recognized by any Orthodox authorities.

      • gravenimage says

        Mar 24, 2019 at 2:56 pm

        And the claim that none of the things Wellington cited can happen in the West is not the case. More people here *are* waking up to the threat of Islam, in no small part due to sites like Jihad Watch.

        Italy is restricting Muslim immigration, in the US under the “Muslim ban” Muslim immigration is down an estimated 91%–this is tremendously significant:

        https://www.cato.org/blog/trump-cut-muslim-refugees-91-immigrants-30-visitors-18

        More Western nations are also balking at allowing Muslims who joined the Islamic State to return. Deportations of Muslims is also up in places like Norway.

        Certainly, a return to Christian values can also be a real part of the stand against Islam.

        But christianblood claims to be a devout Christian, and he constantly cites a site that tells Orthodox Christians to ally with Muslim thugs to destroy the West. He is also a constant apologist for such Islamic horrors as child marriage, forced veiling, wife beating and “Honor Killing”, murdering homosexuals, and mass slaughtering Jews. So he is *hardly* a poster boy for his own claims here.

        • christianblood says

          Mar 24, 2019 at 6:33 pm

          gravenimage

          The last part of your comment above is so full of shit, hogwash, false accusations and lies as I don’t believe any of the things you are falsely accusing me of there. Yes, I do constantly criticize the West for its pro-Islamic and anti-Christian actions and attitudes and I also criticize Israel for the same reasons and will continue to do so whether you like it or not but I don’t believe all of the hateful things you are accusing me of Graven, and I am not surprised that you are indeed such a malicious and a deceitful liar!

        • Wellington says

          Mar 24, 2019 at 7:47 pm

          Just look, christianblood, at your 2:37 P.M. post above to me to help confirm gravenimage’s statements about you. You accuse “Western Christians” of being materialized (whatever the hell this means) and not in possession of secret, mystic knowledge. What rot.

          You lost the argument long ago here at JW and I will tell you why. Here it is: You function in “Russianworld,” where only Orthodox Christianity is the true Christianity and the Roman Catholic and Protestant worlds are so base that Orthodox Christians (particularly Russian Orthodox) are perfectly within their right to side with Muslims (especially Shiite Muslims) against the US, Israel and the West in general.

          Thus, God bless Hezbollah, the Iranian regime, Russian Orthodoxy, et al., right, christianblood?

          You’re a clown, christianblood, and you exhibit this “characteristic” again and again and again. And, unwittingly, you help confirm the assessment of Russia as “the stupid half-sister of the West.”

          You won’t get any of this, but sometimes I like to state the reality of matters just for the record. Done here for now, but know full well I never know when to quit. It’s part of my charm.

        • christianblood says

          Mar 24, 2019 at 9:02 pm

          Wellington

          You don’t understand what I am talking about, Wellington!
          As an agnostic/atheistic you are totally ignorant and in the dark on anything immaterial which you cannot detect with your five physical senses! You are indeed like a child!

          1 Corinthians 2:14.

        • Wellington says

          Mar 24, 2019 at 9:22 pm

          I provided you several details, christianblood, why I think you’re a clown. By contrast, all you could do is tell me that because I am an agnostic I am in the dark and like a child. I NEVER criticized you simply because you are a Christian.

          You “argue” like a person who is out of arguments.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 26, 2019 at 3:55 am

          I wrote:

          But christianblood claims to be a devout Christian, and he constantly cites a site that tells Orthodox Christians to ally with Muslim thugs to destroy the West. He is also a constant apologist for such Islamic horrors as child marriage, forced veiling, wife beating and “Honor Killing”, murdering homosexuals, and mass slaughtering Jews. So he is *hardly* a poster boy for his own claims here.

          christianblood replied:

          gravenimage

          The last part of your comment above is so full of shit, hogwash, false accusations and lies as I don’t believe any of the things you are falsely accusing me of there. Yes, I do constantly criticize the West for its pro-Islamic and anti-Christian actions and attitudes and I also criticize Israel for the same reasons and will continue to do so whether you like it or not but I don’t believe all of the hateful things you are accusing me of Graven, and I am not surprised that you are indeed such a malicious and a deceitful liar!
          ……………………..

          Let’s parse this, then, shall we? Is christianblood denying that he often links to The Saker site?

          He does so here, lauding Hezb’allah fighters:

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/09/hizballah-operates-museum-for-jihadi-tourism-in-south-lebanon#comment-1989774

          There are many more examples of christianblood linking to this site.

          And here is the appalling Sheikh Imran Nazar Hosein at that site, saying that Orthodox Christians need to ally with Muslims to destroy the West:

          “The Kuranic foundations of the need for an alliance between Islam and Orthodoxy”

          https://thesaker.is/the-kuranic-foundations-of-the-need-for-an-alliance-between-islam-and-orthodoxy/

          christianblood also refuses to criticize the Jihad against Israel at the story above about the Hezb’allah Jihad terror museum, but his has done this on countless other threads, as well.

          con’t

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 26, 2019 at 4:20 am

          con’t

          On this thread christianblood refuses to condemn child marriage in Chechnya. The salient comments begin here:

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/12/german-federal-supreme-court-rejects-law-banning-child-marriage-as-unconstitutional#comment-2038977

          He goes on to describe these horrors as “Russia chastity”, and instead condemns some silly transvestite in the West living as an “adult child”–but will not say anything against child marriage.

          He goes on to admiringly say that “Chechnyan federal state is stabilized and Chechnyans rule their internal affairs”. That this involves child marriage is apparently something he is fine with.

          On this thread–from just a week or so ago–he refuses to condemn forced veiling and the abuse of the lawyer who took the case in Iran:

          “Islamic Republic of Iran sentences lawyer who defends women who don’t wear hijab to 38 years prison, 148 lashes”

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/03/islamic-republic-of-iran-sentences-lawyer-who-defends-women-who-dont-wear-hijab-to-38-years-prison-148-lashes

          I asked him to condemn this *six times* on that thread, and he would not.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 26, 2019 at 4:42 am

          con’t

          Here, christianblood refuses to condemn “Honor Killing” of homosexuals in Chechnya:

          “Chechen authorities accused of ordering families to kill their LGBT family members”

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/01/chechen-authorities-accused-of-ordering-families-to-kill-their-lgbt-family-members

          I ask him to condemn this at least twice–and he would not.

          Here, in this story from just about a week ago, christianblood refuses to condemn women in Iran being beaten for not wearing the Hijab:

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/03/iran-videos-show-violent-assaults-on-women-for-not-wearing-hijab

          Re wife beating, christianblood also has said that women have no right to go to the police or the courts, but should protect their abusers,

          I could go on and on citing examples of christianblood doing this sort of thing–goodness knows there are many, many more cases–but I believe I have made my point here.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 26, 2019 at 3:36 pm

          Good posts, Wellington.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 27, 2019 at 2:48 am

          Is christianblood going to show up here and refute anything I said? I doubt he will even try…

  4. Keys says

    Mar 24, 2019 at 2:07 pm

    What this boils down to, and let’s hope it boils over, is that everything and everyone that is not muslim is Islamophobic, whether a muslim is offended or not.

    • Keys says

      Mar 24, 2019 at 2:12 pm

      Infidels are not hallal, and therefore offensive; especially because they are offensive to Allah.

      No peace, until all the world is for Allah. No co-existence.
      Islam is a scourge to all humanity.

      • Michael Copeland says

        Mar 24, 2019 at 4:43 pm

        “No peace can be made between us and the non-believers.
        This what our holy book says. This what Allah says.” 

        Yusuf al Qaradawi,
        spiritual adviser to the Muslim Brotherhood,
        :www.watson37.com

  5. gravenimage says

    Mar 24, 2019 at 2:12 pm

    Robert Spencer: Freedom of Speech Dead in UK as London’s Muslim Mayor Defends Arrest of Christian Preacher
    ……………..

    Yes–this is just sickening. One can argue that England was the birthplace of freedom of speech, but no more.

  6. Jay says

    Mar 24, 2019 at 2:18 pm

    Muslim mayor Khan is the enemy within! When will England wake up? Why England has allowed the
    unfettered invasion of Muslims into their country is the definition of insanity. There is no assimilation at
    all – only demands, crime, disease and invasion! England , like France and Germany and Norway and Sweden etc etc are all but lost! This is a world war against all non Muslims! PM Churchill is not resting easy today!
    The USA will not save England again! Why are the queen and parliament not acting on this situation?
    God save the world!🙏🙏🙏
    Trump 2020 is our only salvation to protect and save the USA 🇺🇸 and humanity!
    🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

  7. tim vivek says

    Mar 24, 2019 at 2:20 pm

    British people on Sundays all should go throughout UK and Preach gospel in the streets. Who is this slave who says what to do what not to do to the people.

    • CRUSADER says

      Mar 24, 2019 at 8:25 pm

      AMEN!

      Just like old times of good revivals!!!

      +++

  8. Raja says

    Mar 24, 2019 at 2:38 pm

    Muslims are offended at the drop of the hat in the West. Here in my home town in India nearly 50 per cent of the hospitals are owned by Christians the Muslims have no issues with the crucifix or a cross. A sizeable population of Muslims attend the Christian run School too.
    What West is doing is beyond suicidal. Why Political Islam should be equated with other faiths especially because of their avowed policy to kill all Kafirs and grab everything possible especially land and women? To make matters worse Islam has zero scrutiny or zero tolerance for any form of scrutiny. The first world status of the West and their gross injustice towards Kafirs just do not make any sense. They are do not understand what made them great or first world…
    With Christianity it is just the opposite. An excerpt:

    Why Is King David’s “Grocery List” in the Bible?

    Louis Gaussen (1790-1863) was a Swiss scholar who served as professor of systematic theology in Geneva, Switzerland. He produced a classic volume, Theopneustia — The Plenary Inspiration of the Holy Scriptures.
    In this work, he responded to several criticisms often made against the concept of the Bible’s verbal inspiration.
    One of these is “the apparent insignificance of certain details,” that allegedly tend to nullify the lofty purpose claimed for the Scriptures (1840, 306ff).
    On such example is a passage having to do with an incident in the life of David that is quite intriguing.
    The Bible student is informed that when king David came to Mahanaim, three men, Shobi an Ammonite, Machir of Lode bar, and Barzillai of Gilead:
    … brought beds, and basins, and earthen vessels, and wheat, and barley, and meal, and parched grain, and beans, and lentils, and parched pulse, and honey, and butter, and sheep, and cheese of the herd, for David and for the people that were with him (2 Sam. 17:28-29).
    The critic is prone to ask: “Do we really need an entire ‘grocery list,’ in this book that purports to be a spiritual document that guides one from earth to heaven?”
    But the possible background of the passage could shed a floodlight of meaning upon this seemingly trivial list.
    David’s beloved son, Absalom, was a rebel at heart. He was envious of his father’s success and wanted acclaim for himself.
    So he carefully plotted to wrest the allegiance of David’s subjects from him, and transfer the same to himself.
    And he was significantly successful. He “stole the hearts of the men of Israel” (2 Sam. 15:6).
    Eventually, a full-blown rebellion was ignited.
    David, with his remaining loyalists, fled Jerusalem. The king, with head covered, barefooted, and weeping, abandoned his palace for the sheltering seclusion of the forests east of Jordan (2 Sam. 15:30; 17:22ff).
    Absalom hotly pursued his father, doubtless with the intention of assassinating the king. Such wretchedness!
    David and his people were hungry, exhausted, and without adequate provisions.
    What were they to do? Was there no assistance? Where was God?
    Rather than acting directly, as in the case of dropping food from heaven for the Israelites (cf. Ex. 16:4), the Lord providentially intervened through indirect means that appeared altogether natural.
    Jehovah sustained this man “after [his] own heart” in his time of distress.
    Some scholars believe that Psalm 23 might well have been written to celebrate the answer to David’s prayers during this time of intense danger — especially verses 5-6 (see: Johnson 1981, 225; Kirkpatrick 1906, 124).
    You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies;
    You anoint my head with oil.
    My cup overflows.
    If there is no specific historical connection between the song and this episode in David’s life, the events certainly illustrate one example of how David was cared for by his Shepherd in the face of his adversaries.
    The sneered-at “grocery list” becomes a prime example of one’s “cup running over” — even in the looming shadow of a deadly enemy!
    Scripture Ref:
    2 Samuel 17:28-29; 2 Samuel 15:6; 2 Samuel 15:30, 17:22; Exodus 16:4; Psalm 23

  9. No Muzzies Here says

    Mar 24, 2019 at 2:48 pm

    Breach of peace is a catch-all charge for “you’re not doing anything wrong or illegal, but the town administration wants you arrested.”

    The UK has already adopted Sharia. Doesn’t matter what Theresa May does with the EU, the UK is toast.

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 24, 2019 at 2:58 pm

      Grimly true.

    • Michael Copeland says

      Mar 24, 2019 at 4:49 pm

      Tommy Robinson, peacefully and lawfully reporting outside a Court, was arrested for “Breach of the peace”. There was no breach: it was a bogus charge, bringing the police into disrepute.

      • gravenimage says

        Mar 26, 2019 at 3:39 pm

        Yes–disgusting travesty of justice.

  10. Raja says

    Mar 24, 2019 at 3:08 pm

    If any one wants strreet marches or wants Gospel preached in the streets it is not going to serve any purpose.There might just be chaos. For an appetizer, the demise of Islam should be with the following:

    Apply the present Western laws and implement them
    Sue and press for criminal charges against mosques, imams and the supporters whereever there is killings etc.
    Islam should not be given any free pass or any preference over other faiths.
    The governments should speak out against political Islam and warn their citizens.
    UN should be abolished as Islam is continuing to punch holes in the world political system.
    Muslim apologists must be named and shamed.

    The world will be better place without Islam

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 26, 2019 at 3:43 pm

      Actually, a large number of Anti-Jihadists peacefully taking to the streets would make a large impression. Besides the ballot box and the press, this is one of the main ways of our getting ourselves heard.

  11. Mark Swan says

    Mar 24, 2019 at 3:16 pm

    While Western secular society has retained its democratic political tradition, it has lost its moral foundation. It now builds its morality upon the shifting sands of human reasoning, rather than upon the absolutes of the Judeo-Christian ethic that helped shape Western views of right and wrong in earlier times.

    Many in the West now consider morality to be nothing more than a “social construct.” Secularists insist that “you can’t legislate morality,” but in one way or another, civil laws reflect society’s view of right and wrong. For instance, if we think that it is wrong to rob banks, we pass a law against it. So, in an important sense, all laws legislate a morality.

    It is not a question of whether we can legislate morality, but rather, it is a question of whose morality we are going to legislate.

    The attempt to answer that question is called “the culture war,” and Judeo-Christian morality in the West is rapidly losing ground.

    The Muslim world watches and fears that Islam is next.

    In abandoning its biblical moral heritage in favor of an “anything goes” secular morality, Western society has “cast off all restraint.”

    And the Muslim world has been watching.

    Many Western policymakers have the conceit that the solution to Islam is instilling their own secular values in Muslim societies. But trying to cure Islam in Muslim societies by promoting Western secular values is like pouring gasoline on a fire. The perceived moral chaos that results from those values—modern jahiliyyah—is what Muslims are fleeing. And they are fleeing to Sharia.

    Alasdair MacIntyre is a prominent Scottish moral philosopher and academic whose writings were very influential in introducing the ideas that Dreher developed in The Benedict Option. Here is an excerpt from MacIntyre’s book After Virtue, which
    expresses this view:

    What matters at this stage is the construction of local forms of community within which civility and the intellectual and moral life can be sustained through the new dark ages which are already upon us. And if the tradition of the virtues was able to survive the horrors of the last dark ages, we are not entirely without grounds for hope. This time however the barbarians are not waiting beyond the frontiers; they have already been governing us for quite some time. And it is our lack of consciousness of this that constitutes part of our predicament. We are waiting… for another—doubtless very different—St. Benedict (p. 263, emphasis added).

    Muslims look at the Western world and see moral chaos.

    Christians in the West are coming to a similar view.

    No one should advocate the solutions proposed in The Benedict Option, and certainly no one should advocate Sharia law.

    However, it is worth noting that the sweeping moral changes in Western societies are stirring both Western religious communities and Muslim religious communities to consider alternatives.

    These massive cultural developments bear watching!

    More than fifteen years ago, Pope John Paul II asserted that Christianity defines the very idea of Europe. Will the challenge of Islam or an out-of-control secular morality force a reassertion of that “Christian” identity in Europe, led by a very charismatic religious figure? Such a person could be in the wings and preparing to walk onto the world stage.

    Through international media, a fluid and evolving Western secular morality is challenging cultural values around the world. Muslims are gravitating toward Sharia law, and many in what is considered Christianity are also seeking a refuge for the values of their faith.

    The moral systems of Islam, Christendom, and Western secularism are three great forces on a collision course!

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 26, 2019 at 4:10 pm

      I take your point, Mark–but there is nothing either moral *or* rational about crushing freedom of speech.

      By the way, good to see you posting here again.

      • Mark Swan says

        Mar 26, 2019 at 7:19 pm

        Thank you gravenimage, Yes I popped in and out, reading, not commenting—still around.

        “It is not a question of whether we can legislate morality, but rather, it is a question of whose morality we are going to legislate.”

        What standards do we base morality on—if one of the above does prevail—the results can
        still mean the crushing of freedom, for far too many.

        All I tried to do here, was reflect on where we seem to be heading, I vote for none of the above.

        Take Care gravenimage, good to converse with you again.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 26, 2019 at 7:26 pm

          Same here, Mark. Agree with your points.

          I have missed your comments here. Hope you post when you can.

  12. Lydia Church says

    Mar 24, 2019 at 4:17 pm

    They need to silence those islamic calls to prayer because they offend Christians (all over the world).
    But they won’t.
    Double standards… again.

  13. roberta says

    Mar 24, 2019 at 6:33 pm

    Ive heard people say that the police and military will never turn on the citizenry of the USA. I bet such things were said about the UK police and military.
    To think and feel this is very comforting. Might be a bit naive.

    The 2nd amendment may be all that keeps them honest.

    • Bro. Nick Nicholas says

      Mar 25, 2019 at 7:36 am

      Several years ago I read an article in a reliable publication – That a senior NCO in a USMC unit said that all of the members of his unit had ‘Pledged in Writing’ that they would fire upon fellow citizens of our country of ‘Amerika’ if/when they were ordered to do so.
      .
      About the 2d Amendment – The firepower – and advanced technology – and numbers of Personnel in the US Military (Active Duty – and Reserve – and Guard) – and Police Forces will overwhelm those few people who will actually engage in combat
      – For it is one thing to talk about killing another human being – AND a totally different one to actually ‘Pull-the-Trigger’ – especially when they personally see their family and/or friends wounded and dying
      – As it was well and accurately stated during WW II by General George ‘Blood and Guts’ Patton – War Is HELL.
      .
      My comment is based upon my personal experience as a Combat Veteran who has ‘Pulled the Trigger’ during the Vietnam ‘Conflict’.
      .

      • pumbar says

        Mar 25, 2019 at 7:28 pm

        Grimly true.

  14. FYI says

    Mar 24, 2019 at 7:12 pm

    Saddiq the Saddo khan..what would one expect from the mohammedan cultists of Hate and Violence :only to stop anyone preaching a Gospel of Love.

    “Breach of the Peace” is a neat trick used by the police sometimes:it could be anything..shouting,sneezing aggressively.But this is the first time I have ever seen a Christian preacher accused of being RACIST for preaching the Gospel.

    How the UK became Britainistan:Javid no doubt would love to be its first muslim PM.

    They even make Lords and Ladies of these taqqiya-tongued adherents of the satanic cult of islam with its false god {allah “the BEST of deceivers”k3;54},its false cross-dressing ,mass-murdering psycopath and self-confessed fraud of a “prophet”{Sahih Bukhari 2442,Abu Dawud 4390,al Tabari 6;111}muhammed{sbuh}and its false commandment-of-God violating unholy koran.

    How the UK has fallen into the pit!The Govt,the Judiciary,the Police,the Royals;what a joke!

  15. Georg says

    Mar 24, 2019 at 7:58 pm

    Khan is one seditious worm.

  16. CRUSADER says

    Mar 24, 2019 at 8:27 pm

    BREXIT better happen — a clean break — with a new alliance across the other span of water, toward the USA….

  17. Mr. Maxwell S. J. Fenton says

    Mar 25, 2019 at 4:38 am

    Britain is becoming a shithole right now, women dominate the narrative, the government are against Brexit, the media are so politically biased there are barely any objective investigations, weak, effeminate men and boys give reverence toward the despicable bullying and condemnation of masculinity and the meritocratic patriarchy, turning into self hating morons.
    Foreign pagan filth are filling the seats of power, as mayor’s of major towns and cities, these people don’t even recognise free thought and speech, they have no intention of upholding any such ideas, they don’t believe or understand them.
    Everyone is talking in lies, confused, judgemental, accusative.
    No one loves God or Truth, they don’t care what happens to Britain, it’s being given away to scum by scum.
    We can’t stop this madness, it’s vicious, ferocious, irrational and illogical.
    I’m all for war but I only see submission, weak voluntary slavery, a people happy to exchange everything for anything.
    Only God can alter our demise, the people are hopelessly lost, corrupt and wicked.

  18. AntiIslamicman says

    Mar 26, 2019 at 9:50 am

    Muslim Mayor is the simple answer

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