I knew there was white and I knew there was nationalism, but I didn’t know that if you combine them you get the name of a white supremacist group… so that is news to me!
Nothing wrong with white or nationalist, but there is something wrong with white supremacist groups.
Anyway it does look like they made this madman flexible enough to suit any of their agendas so that they can target any group!
CRUSADERsays
“Intellectuals and Society” book by Thomas Sowell.
Intellectuals are defined as “idea workers” that exercise profound influence on policy makers and public opinion, but are often not directly accountable for the results. “Intellectuals and Society” examines the record of these idea workers and the conditions, methods and incentives driving their points of view that, according to Sowell, have often resulted in disaster for societies where intellectuals have been allowed “undue influence”.
Sowell explained undue influence of intellectuals as follows:
“Those whose careers are built on the creation and dissemination of ideas — the intellectuals — have played a role in many societies out of all proportion to their numbers. Whether that role has, on balance, made those around them better off or worse off is one of the key questions of our times.
“The quick answer is that intellectuals have done both.
“But certainly, during the 20th century, it is hard to escape the conclusion that intellectuals have on balance made the world a worse and more dangerous place. Scarcely a mass-murdering dictator of the 20th century was without his supporters, admirers, or apologists among the leading intellectuals — not only within his own country, but in foreign democracies, where intellectuals were free to say whatever they wanted.
“…intellectuals are people whose end products are intangible ideas, and they are usually judged by whether those ideas sound good to other intellectuals or resonate with the public. Whether their ideas turn out to work — whether they make life better or worse for others — is another question entirely.”
CRUSADERsays
Sowell argues that intellectuals, whom he defines as people whose occupations deal primarily with ideas (writers, historians, academics, etc.), usually consider themselves as “anointed”, or as endowed with superior intellect or insight with which to guide the masses and those who have authority over them. Sowell contends that several characteristics mark such intellectuals.
An intellectual’s work begins and ends with ideas, not the practical application of ideas to real world problems. These purveyors of ideas may be at all points of the political and ideological spectrum, although Sowell generally reserves his sharpest criticisms for those on the left.
Certain common patterns in intellectuals, he argues, cut across specific political ideologies. Intellectuals, for example, show a marked preference for third parties, working outside the established power structures and applying what is presumed to be superior insight, to control the resources and decision making processes of the masses and their official leaders. This preference sometimes makes outwardly competing ideologies appear more alike than different. For example both National Socialism and Stalinism attempted to micro-manage the lives of their citizens; both implemented sweeping propaganda campaigns to reframe reality, and both resulted in leadership by an elite outside group. This, apparently, despite the fact that both movements were notoriously anti-intellectual.
Lack of real accountability
The work of intellectuals is ultimately not subject to external (real world) verifiability, as compared to those engaged in more practical pursuits with readily observable results. An intellectual, for example, can condemn a military operation for “excessive force” but has no accountability in regards to the actual outcome of that operation. By contrast, a military commander who fails to deploy sufficient force at the appropriate time can pay with his own life and that of his men. The acclaim given to intellectuals, despite their predictions having failed, is a prime example of the lack of ultimate accountability, Sowell maintains.
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So much for the perp’s “manifesto”….
Mikesays
Islam is an ideology Islamic terrorists use to justify thousands of terrorist attacks around the world.This is a huge problem maybe the worlds greatest one but White supremacist do not offer us anything better AKA Hitler .
David Msays
I’m wondering where he got the money from to do all the travelling he did, & buy all the weapons.
Frederick Kingsays
the Apostate Prophet did a very good analysis of the NZ killer’s manifesto. I believe his reasoning had more to do with just mass migration to western value countries than anything else. He was not a “white supremacist.” He Just didn’t want foreign cultures coming and destroying his culture. The youtube “apostate Prophet” is a converted out of islam , german turk. He really does superior analysis of complex things.
somehistorysays
Good discussion. If things were ‘right’…this would make the main street news and everyone could hear and learn.
Video: David Wood and Robert Spencer on the New Zealand massacre and how it is being exploited
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As soon as I heard about this terrible attack I knew it would be used against those who stand against Jihad terrorism–despite the fact that Anti-Jihadists like Robert Spencer oppose violence. Cynical but grimly predictable.
Westmansays
Fortunately there is no way to put the truth Jinn back in the bottle in the 21st century. The death knell of Islam in the West has sounded. The Media, CAIR, SPLC, Hamas, Erdogan, the MB, and another million sources are powerless to stop it because Islam’s own doctrines and history are available in every major language. Add to that – there is so much jihad activity that it is impossible to completely suppress it.
Like other ancient Luddite religions, Islam will fade; the only questions are how quickly and how much damage it will inflict in the process. I doubt any of us will live that long – yet since the 1940’s we have watched Christianity noticeably fading to the point a US President felt he could degrade it.
I think we are seeing the beginning of Islam’s weakening. It has no comfortable place left in the 21st century West and it can’t offer its youth opportunity where it’s in the majority.
gravenimagesays
I hope so, Westman.
thebigWsays
“Like other ancient Luddite religions, Islam will fade; the only questions are how quickly and how much damage it will inflict in the process.”
I like how you just breeze by what will probably be the massacres by Muslims of millions of the great-grandchildren of our great grandchildren and widespread destruction and chaos and social breakdown throughout the West. Yeah, that’s some “damage” LOLOLOL
Westmansays
I didn’t intend to seem dissmissive of the trouble ahead for our descendents. We must warn them about the nature and goal of Islam. However, that will not change Islam or its threat to freedom. We simply don’t have a way to change an Islam which seems only vulnerable to the world’s progress. Have you found another way to influence Islam despite its doctrines of shunning, or, fighting with, the unbelieving world – a world in which it is now uncomfortably immersed?
thebigWsays
some things you can’t “influence” you just got to manage. I’m against vigilantism against Muslims as I’m sure all of us here are, but that don’t mean Muslims are going to change in numbers big enough to dissolve their jihad, and goin’ by history, they’re going to get worse not better. what you’re talking about is wishful thinking. How about deporting them instead? Just ’cause prolly won’t deport them don’t mean that that ain’t the only reasonable way to manage this catastrophe comin’ down the pike.
That sounds incredibly optimistic to me, Westman. From where I’m sitting, it looks as if Islam is continually gaining strength in the West, and in many other parts of the world. And there’s no reason to assume that Muslims will turn away from their religion en masse, the way Christians have in many parts of the West. Muslims have a lot more to lose by abandoning their faith. And they don’t tend to be very good at rational, scientific thought, for the most part. And most of them seem to have NO ability to be self-critical, or critical of their religion.
Geasays
Winston Churchill on Islam:
How dreadful are the curses which Mohammed-anism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.
The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.
Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome
Ashleysays
Nihad Awad must be taken to task for uttering the names of Spencer and Geller in his tirade. Brenton Tarrant never mentioned either one of them in his manifesto.
I’m curious as to why Awad flashed a copy of “The Great Replacement” during the CAIR press conference. He condemned Tarrant’s manifesto while sort of promoting it. Tarrant wanted to spark division and unrest. Awad should have suppressed mention of the manifesto’s title…instead he made damn sure it was flashed before the cameras so folks could access it online.
I can’t help but wonder if Nihad Awad welcomes this horrific white supremacist terror attack to advance the Islamic agenda.
I also took note that Awad reassured the American Muslim community to attend mosque and that protection would be provided by local, state, and federal law enforcement. You know…the folks that cannot infiltrate the mosques.
Kind of like asking Sheriff Andy Taylor to stand guard at the Mayberry Whore House.
gravenimagesays
+1
revereridesagainsays
In case anyone imagines attacks such as the one in New Zealand will have the effect of discouraging jihad via immigration — I’ve forgotten the formal term for that — here’s the statement released by the Islamic Society of Boston, home of the Marathon-bombing Tsarnaev brothers. (After the 2013 Marathon massacre we here in Boston went around in “Boston Strong” t-shirts and watched inspirational tv news spots on how well the maimed survivors were coping. It did not take long before our “leaders” were back to their established kowtowing to the ISBCC. Alas.)
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Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu Dear Beloved ISBCC Community,
We all woke up to the horrific news of 49 of our brothers and sisters in faith brutally murdered by a white supremacist terrorist. Our hearts are with our brothers and sisters, their families and their communities. We pray that God grants our blessed dead with the highest levels of Paradise, showers their families with His grace after this terrible hardship, and inspires our communities to drown out this hate and violence with love and peace.
The whole Muslim community across the world is in mourning. Some of us are in a state of fear, some of us are in a state of anger, many of us in both and more.
At these times, we turn to God first to settle us and to remind us who we are meant to be – souls who “repel [evil] by that which is a most beautiful deed” (41:34). We know that God always has our back. We then turn to our community for support, comfort and solidarity.
In Boston, we are a community that sticks together. Tragedy after tragedy, Bostonians from diverse faiths and backgrounds have come together, supported one another, and spoke out against hate. We do not let fear and hate bully us. We expect nothing less this time. We are Boston Strong.
In this spirit, Boston’s Mayor, Commissioner and interfaith leaders will be attending our Friday services today at the ISBCC at 1 pm to express their support and solidarity. We welcome any Bostonians who would like to join us. InshAllah let us all come together for Jumua.
We have also stepped up our security efforts. The Boston Police will have several cruises around the mosque. We will also have extra security guards inside of our masjid. We recommend the same for all the mosques around New England.
Your ISBCC Family
somehistorysays
Just sickening. Making a big show of the ‘victimhood’ in a city that saw such terror from moslims not that long ago, but which some seem to have forgotten was due to islam.
revereridesagainsays
It’s “Marxachusetts” so it’s already leftist and pro-Muslim and they are very aggressive of shutting down any criticism of Islam. That huge mosque is coddled when it should have been shut down in the wake of the bombing.
I’ve got JihadWatch and a Defeat Jihad stickers on the bumper of my car and if they try to ban Jihad Watch they will stay right where they are. But I’ve ordered a couple of “Banned” stickers just in case I have to go all sarcastic on these b@$t@rd$.
gravenimagesays
Yes–just disgusting.
FYIsays
“At these times we turn to God to settle us…”
They turn to allah the BEST OF DECEIVERS k3:54,the PAGAN god of islam.
allah is NOT the Judeo-Christian Biblical God.
allah, the god of the Doctrine of Hate{al walaa wal baraa}
allah, who tells muslims in violation of God’s 2nd chief commandment
“Oh ye who believe !Take not the Jews and christians for friends” k5:51
allah, who CURSES Christians and Jews in k9:30
allah, who teaches muslims they can violate God’s Exodus 20 laws in his “holy” koran
Let’s not have these multicult prayers where the muslims,who subscribe to a false god, are allowed to take center stage…
CRUSADERsays
“Marxachusetts” — that’s accurate!
Regarding the Islamic Society of Boston….
How is the ACT for America gathering going over in the Patriot State?
The Cbc had NCCM on today and the whole time they pushed Sharia law also The Star took this has a chance to say if your white your more or less the problem.
somehistorysays
Ashley wondered: IF “Nihad Awad welcomes this horrific white supremacist terror attack to advance the Islamic agenda.”
Yes, yes he does. First of all, as Mr. Spencer has written so many times, they need attacks. They don’t get them, so they file fake police reports, claiming attacks on the head covering, being told to ‘go back’ from where they came, etc. If there are no attacks, moslims make them up.
This guy helped cair and the others by his killing of moslims in their own spaces. Now, they have “proof” that they are victims. This will be a never-ending thing with cair…for as long as they can get attention for it.
Ashleysays
Thanks, friend.
I seriously doubt Awad welcomed the attacks but he sure is exploiting the shit out of this. Grotesque.
He was wrong, wrong, WRONG to utter Spencer and Geller by name in the nifty presser. Robert is fighting an uphill battle as is…he needs this shit like a hole-in-the-head.
Sorry for the salty language…I’m pretty riled after viewing the clip.
somehistorysays
Ashley
You know how the moslims in Gaza…hamas and their followers…put their little kids and pregnant women in front of them as a shield, how they place their bunkers under schools and nurseries…so when Israel fires back at those who have first fired on Israel, the Jews will be held accountable.
moslims **use** their children as tools in the fight, the war, to gain larger ground to destroy everything not moslim. They don’t have natural affection, no love of family, so it doesn’t hurt them when other moslims are killed. They just use the killings to whine about how much they are hated and how much they are victimized.
My guess is, awad is gloating and conspiring with his cocair people about what he can say to further the blame on Mr. Spencer and all others who speak about the evils and cause of jihad…islam. And to attack the freedom to speak.
gravenimagesays
Agreed, Somehistory.
revereridesagainsays
Awad is an attack dog who needs to be smacked on the nose with a rolled-up-newspaper now and again to teach him obedience and manners. The whole Boston political gang of dhimmis isn’t willing to do it, but when he called a VFW post in Newton last year and demanded they cancel Anni Cyrus’ appearance, the retired marine who runs the place took newspaper in hand and little Nihad slunk off with his tail between his legs. Robert and David are experts at this.
gravenimagesays
I finally had a chance to watch this whole video. Excellent, and it offers hope in a dark time. Thank you both.
Bezelelsays
When the objective is to support and defend the Constitutional rule of law VS the sharia rule of law, everything else just muddies the water. Of course under sharia it’s perfectly acceptable to mass murder non-muslims simply for being non-muslims.
The choice is ballots or bullets. The MSM and DNC are monkeying with our information to make wise decisions at the polls. They are degrading the integrity of the elections. By doing this they are ultimately removing Ballots from the equation. When we can’t trust the courts or government then chaos is going to happen. Like it or not. sharia law thrives on chaos, look at ISIS.
mortimersays
One attack per year by a Western racist is treated as the end of the world, while there are 3 lethal jihad attacks on average EVERY DAY of the year.
There are over 1,000 times MORE lethal jihad attacks per year than there are attacks like that in NZ against Muslims.
Where is the outrage on the statistic of 1,000 + JIHAD ATTACKS PER YEAR ???
vlparkersays
And while I certainly don’t advocate going into a mosque and shooting people, it seems to me if muslims are attending a mosque it is more than likely that they are paying the zakat. And since one-eighth of zakat goes to finance jihad then they are funding terrorism and they know that they are funding terrorism. Doesn’t sound like a bunch of innocents to me.
eduardo odraudesays
It has been way too long since the last installment of the Robert and David show!
Chandsays
Watched the whole video. The future looks grimmer. They correctly predict an escalation of violence between Muslims and non Muslims. And there are no real answers or solutions. This world war has acquired its own momentum now and will play itself out, it seems.
Brenton Tarrant has shown the way for some. Get armed and get to work. Quit discussions and start shooting.
Although as an atheist I would love to see the end of religions and Muslims quitting Islam, I am not as optimistic as David Wood who feels that they could quit in larger numbers soon. There might be increased radicalization among Muslims instead.
White nationalist terrorism seems to have become a very serious threat after this Christchurch massacre. This is the first real large scale targeting of Muslim civilians by one single individual, with disturbing portents.
Finally I somehow feel that non-Muslim people don’t really care about the Muslim victims in Christchurch. Now I seem to better understand why Muslims don’t seem to care too much either when Islamic jihadi terrorism kills non-Muslims. Not many care about the fates of others.
gravenimagesays
The always dishonest Chand wrote:
Finally I somehow feel that non-Muslim people don’t really care about the Muslim victims in Christchurch. Now I seem to better understand why Muslims don’t seem to care too much either when Islamic jihadi terrorism kills non-Muslims. Not many care about the fates of others.
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There has been a huge outpouring of concern about Muslims from non-Muslims in the wake of the New Zealand Mosque shootings–whereas most Muslims cheer when their coreligionists mass slaughter Infidels, as they do on a regular basis.
The idea that Muslims don’t care about Infidels being slaughtered in Jihad because Infidels (supposedly) do not care about Muslims killed is grotesque calumny. This is blaming the victims of Islam for their own victimization by Muslims.
This ignores the fact that what Chand says is, firstly, not true; that Muslims have seldom spoken out against Jihad terror much predates the Mosque attacks in New Zealand; and that Islam *itself* teaches the brutalization and mass murder of any non-Muslims who don’t submit to Islam.
somehistorysays
g,
Right on. Some people lie so easily. Lies are *key* to the spread of islam.
gravenimagesays
Thank you, Somehistory.
Chand has a nasty posting history here, whitewashing the horrors of Islam.
The Rabbi is being sarcastic–saying what antisemites falsely claim Jews are doing.
Anyone who cannot grasp this is pretty dim-witted.
mortimersays
Key phrase in this video by Robert Spencer: “Muslims are the executors of the wrath of Allah against non-Muslims.”
eduardo odraudesays
Around the globe, there have been nearly 35,000 jihad terror attacks in the name of Islam since 2002. To look into each case, see thereligionofpeace.com
Those 35,000 attacks killed over 100,000 people and injured even more.
eduardo odraudesays
In fact, because thereligionofpeace.com is exceedingly careful in how attacks are counted, the numbers I just cited are a gross underestimate.
revereridesagainsays
Everyone must be encouraged to visit that site. It is an eye-opener that cannot be ignored or denied or wished away because it is ALL facts, and they cannot be ignored. Almost none of these attacks have been reported in the media.
CRUSADERsays
David Wood:
Predicted Massacre occurring at Mosques (New Zealand)
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Ethno-Nationalist/Eco-Fascist/Semi-Right-Wing/Leftist/Racist Terrorist attacked mosques….
Predictable that such attacks would occur… Tension will build until both sides react eventually because they haven’t learned an approach to address the uncomfortable issues. We can discuss Shariah without threats or intimidation or violence….
Breivik’s manifesto concluded that violence was the only way forward to stop muslim immigration policies…. Breivik became convinced that speech was useless and criticism was pointless due to stigmatizing. Media has stranglehold over public perception… Freedom of Speech is futile… Shock Attacks penetrate the censorship of socialist multi-cultural globalist regimes….
Many more people are becoming concerned about the spread of Islam / Shariah …. Silencing people is what led to Breivik in the first place… Jihadis on one side saying “Kill the Infidels, they are threats to our way of life” — yet, there is the other side saying the opposite counter to that… Killing Sprees and Governments which block hate speech are both efforts which are not going to further the solution to the problem…
The perpetrator of the Mosque massacres in New Zealand wanted to speed up conflict to get to the resolution… Silencing evil by turning to violence… Triggering a war is the only way to stop advancement of Islam and marginalization by demographic growth… Now we have fueling of division…. Politicians and Journalists are responding in the way terrorists manipulate them.
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On March 15, 2019, a terrorist named Brenton Tarrant opened fire at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, killing at least 49 people. I have been predicting attacks like this for a decade. Unless we take steps to address the escalating tensions, we will continue seeing terrorist attacks.
David Wood did not say he predicted when or where. He also did not say he was the only one who predicted it. Yet you write as if he claimed to have predicted when and where and as if he claimed that he alone made the prediction. Wood knows very well that others — for example Robert Spencer — made the same prediction, and Wood never claimed otherwise.
In the above video, Wood includes old video clips in which he does indeed predict that censoring non-violent criticism of Islam will lead some people to become violent, since they are not permitted to express their views peacefully.
John F. Kennedy made a similar prediction when he said, “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.” Peaceful change can happen through freedom of speech and open discussion. If free discussion is blocked, if censorship is used (censorship is itself a form of violence imposed by force), then that leads to violent extremism.
James Lincolnsays
During the last approximately 10 minutes of the video, David Wood talks about the possibilities – if only the mainstream news media, social media, etc., were on the side of the anti-jihadists and Islam was exposed for the evil and fraud that it is.
Islam would not stand a chance – if only a very powerful light would shine upon it, and totally expose it.
eduardo odraudesays
In the end, we must not look to others to shine that light. The problem is that too many are looking to others, so hardly anyone does anything. Almost everyone is afraid to go public on these issues, except to spout the safe lines. We need to keep self-educating.
One thing we can do is join Act for America or Act for Canada.
James Lincolnsays
Agree eduardo.
brane pilotsays
Radical mass-immigration laws that invite incompatible, alien cultures into our societies in large numbers are causing unstable people to commit mass murder with guns.
So what laws do they want to change?
The gun laws.
This talk by Robert Spencer and David Wood was one of their finest ever and set out the path of enlightenment and peace in opposition to the path of violence and war.
tim gallaghersays
To me, Robert Spencer and David Wood are heroes for their persistent efforts in trying to wake up the slumbering fools ( unfortunately, they still seem to be the majority of the populations in all of our countries) to the evil nature of Islam. All I can say is, all the best with your work and I wish so many people weren’t such slow learners when it comes to Islam’s nature. I don’t understand how almost everyone hasn’t woken up by now despite the garbage, the disinformation, much of the media constantly feed them about Islam’s nature.
eduardo odraudesays
Several causes explain it. 1) the truth is too horrible, and many people react to frightening things by putting their heads in the sand and going into denial; 2) because Islam is not just a religion but a political system, its core texts teach the use of disinformation propaganda and its religio-political leaders employ deception. That is simply what all governments and political movements do, especially the authoritarian and totalitarian kind; 3) significant parts of the left readily swallow the deception and disinformation because it feeds into the left narrative that the hated right and conservatives are xenophobic troglodytes.
tim gallaghersays
I’m sure you are right, Eduardo. Lots of people do, indeed, seem to have an amazing capacity to ignore unpleasant realities. If large numbers of people in our countries keep ignoring the reality of Islam’s evil nature, Islam will win this war against our civilised values. Robert and David keep trying to wake people up, which is incredibly important work.
CRUSADERsays
Christ Church New Zealand Mosque Tragedy and Hypocrisy
— Apostate Prophet
Since the Christ Church New Zealand Mosque attack happened, many people and the media have been trying to blame and attack everyone they could think of. Many think that “Islamophobia” and anti-Islamic or anti-Muslim speech is responsible, but is it really?
Some think that the terrorist just wanted to avenge the Islamic terrorist attacks all over Europe.
Ironically, that’s exactly how Islamic terrorists justify their attacks: by killing innocent civilians in the West and blaming it on military actions by the West.
Others think that we are all to blame for this terrorist act. Ironically, that’s exactly what they reject when an Islamic terrorist attack happens.
I like the apostate prophet. Thanks for posting that video. Also like the David Wood video. Would be cool to see Spencer, Wood, and the Apostate Prophet do something together, perhaps with some of the other usual suspects.
nasays
Last day I saw a video of TRT news, insulting westerners, But still westerners have patience .
Muslims should understand,
Wherever a Muslim there is a problem, They want their own nation.
They have a bad history, bloodthirsty people and you are cursed . That curse may follow you until 7-8 generations.until you confess.
You should do good things ,
For example you should join with Robert Spencer, donate and fight against terrorism. Your generations will be blessed. Leave Islam.
Look at Hindus, why they do not appreciate killing , because killing others is the top 1 sin. because one life is very precious than anything in the world.
You are immigrating to New Zealand and other countries illegally with the help of their own govt to make money you send that money back to hometown. Supporting terrorism , hawala , Binami.
Just monitor the victims of New Zealand they are illegals ask them documents, .
Robert, It is easy to catch illegal Muslim migrant. Use one Asian guy and mingle with them tell them that you are also a Muslim from Asia and I came here through Sham marriage. Illegal migrants may reveal the truth and expect this answer “We are also reached here through illegal solicitors or I came here in student visa but last 10 years am staying here illegally to promote terrorism against our western enemies”.
CRUSADERsays
Not very nice, there, na.
“Na na na na
Hey hey hey
Goodbye….”
! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Thankyou for the video.I listened to all of the discussion and I thought it was very reasonable and sensible.I particularly liked the quote of President Kennedy’s you mentioned Robert
I can not hear the sound or get sub titles . What is going on ?
vlparkersays
Lots and lots of coverage of the NZ massacre but nothing on the Nigerian murders last week of Christians by muslims. Surprise, surprise.
underbed catsays
I have been reading some New Zealand articles about this shooters many trips to Turkey and some other Islamic countries who did he visit. It certainly has the effect of bringing attention to another subduing force besides the “white supremacists”, as racist islamophobes, or the “muslims” perceived” far right mantra of hate, add the requirement not to expose the sura’s, it may turn out to be another “white jihadist ” in conflict or a collusion to script and incite a protest of free speech, which our President protects. We cannot ignores the deception of the Islamic law of slander….which restricts information about the doctrine of jihad to create a fantasy islam. The writing of the manifesto is highly programmed to follow suit,connects the lefts’s explanation of terror. However knowing the doctrine that connect isis, al queda, boko harem daesh and many islamic special groups who follow the commands of the Quranic sharia manifesto but deny the world’s connected slaughter, will get the media to spread the white conspirators manifesto quite disjointed work, but will work to get support from the uninformed and the left media. We may will see in coming days as the cracks show up. It is news to many unfamiliar with sharia law, jihad warfare, propaganda and organized marketing to silence, that muslims kill each other, mosque attacks do happen by their jihad competitors, does not happen as often as church attacks so think of a muslim sunni killed in Turkey shite country in a Sunni Saudi embassy, they do fight each other and has noting to do with the west but all to do with exposure.Either way it is gruesome. Spreading information about the quranic manifesto is prohibited any criticism of their sharia law is abhorrant. Truth only causes terror to the muslim.
vlparkersays
He also went to Pakistan. Seemed to enjoy it there. Makes you wonder if he isn’t a muzzie who sacrificed a bunch of other muzzies in the cause of allah.
gravenimagesays
Yes–*very* odd stuff.
Bezelelsays
I read he had a recent trip to pakistan and loved the place? The mosk was bangladesh? Rivals? Believing anything he says is not advisable. So yes, I agree there is much more to it. Fact checking insanity is a challenge.
Elizabeth Thornesays
The names of the people on the shooter’s gun are Serbian people who were killed by Muslims, and an Orthodox church script. He is a Serbian Orthodox. The song he was playing is Remove the Kababab. There is a tower in Serbia, built of skull by the Muslims after they killed the people. There are hundreds of mosques in Bosnia and Shari’ah law is being forced on people. He used their tactics against them. He called the Muslims the barbarians.
underbed catsays
Elizabeth Thorne your comment is very informative and important to know. Yes they do use force to inflict this doctrine by terror. I know but I wonder if his trip to Turkey and Islamic countries was his final act to gather his information, details of Islam’s work of terror, before his attack that convinced him to act and not a collusion to spread the victim scenario of jihad doctrine attackers. They are experts at suppressing facts, and have a tight and plentiful base of organizations to fight back facts. Very clever, plentiful in all countries with money to coerce, influence media and governments who don’t study.
underbed catsays
Experts at reaching emotions, misinformation campaigns, omitted verses and use of dawah and achieving education to implant laws, working as advisers, persuading politicians,media and after heavy migration, in foreign countries will succeed to get many to comply or face attacks and slander. Cleverly evil deception.
thebigWsays
Elizabeth Thorne, if he’s Serbian, then that manifesto that’s goin’ around is a fake or partly fake, ’cause in it he says “My parents are of Scottish, Irish and English stock”.
That ex-CIA station chief Brad Johnson says in a video that the shooter is Serbian and that if ya hear anything else from the media, it’s “bullsh***t.”
Lots of contradictory stuff out there. I read his “manifesto”, and he does not say he is Serbian.
Marysays
Can’t he claim mental illness just as muslims do. Then a slap on the wrist, and don’t do it again. Nah probably won’t work.
Naildriversays
Another failed manifesto — very much like the ideas in Charles Manson’s Helter Skelter; and I doubt most good people would want this individual in their lives.
But individuals confronting this horror from Islam should be cut a little slack, at least given the violent reality of their enemy — Islam has set of directives to kill opposition, and any who would provide any opposition at all.
Islamics cut their fanatics who assault kufirs, or nonbelievers, a little slack in that they do not face the most severe sentences as those crimes against believers. Sort of like the reverse of ‘Hate’ crime law.
There is going to be bloodshed because Islam is structured to effect violence, and it cannot be reformed — at least without built in directives to kill those who might try to implement any such cleansing.
Any social science expert would certainly concur every population will have and array of personalities and genetically predisposed people who react to threats in degrees of intensity. But also most psychologists would say defensive measures are a perfectly normal — this man was not necessarily a paranoid psychotic -among those he murdered, there were those who likely understood their belief system required them to jihad against all beyond the walls of the mosque including the use of violence.
Islam has patently unacceptable directives or incitement to inflict horrors upon those who don’t share there beliefs built into their system, and Western peoples are not protected from them by their own governments — and these same governments bring millions of these Muslims in — and have the audacity to try and redefine these peoples beliefs. Islam is not OK.
Like the Balkans a very volatile state of affairs now exists. Islam is mankind’s enemy.
Boys, you just made big strategic mistake. It doesn’t matter if what you say is true — this is very bad timing and shows a callousness to the 50 human lives lost. Instead, a condemnation of this violence would have been both sufficient and superior. Why defend yourself when it is totally unneccessary?
Chandsays
How can one condemn something that one desires, by other means?
I mean since Islam is evil, then necessarily the followers of Islam are evil people and isn’t it best to stop these people, from worshipping their evil cult, their way of life and so isn’t it best they do not exist? Muslims ought not to practice their religion or be Muslims, and so they ought to be silent and dumb and invisible and apologetic and the logical extension of this is that they ought to renounce their religion or life itself.
So putting them six feet under will solve everything. No Muslims, no Islam, no problems. All happiness, liberty, peace, joy and glory everywhere.
David Wood, at one point, in the video, says that others thinking of taking the violent path like Brenton Tarrant to solve the jihadi/Islam problem should give ‘honest discussion’ a chance first and then they’ll have ample time to go on their violent spree if ‘honest discussion’ fails.
Even those who are considering a revolution in world affairs with whole Western govts appropriated for the cause of eliminating all non-White humans on the globe should first consider the possibility of stopping Islamic ideology through ‘honest discussion’ and non-violent means and then they could always follow their violent project if ‘discussion’ and persuasion fails.
I personally feel David and Robert are doing an important work and their critiques of Islamic terror are a safety valve against the coming White terror, which they themselves claim. But they kind of admit that White supremacist violence, terror and revolution is kind of inevitable and forthcoming. It is an unstoppable force and we might as well accept it and condemning it is actually futile and silly.
So while David and Robert are definitely not responsible for White terror they are actually safety valves against the coming explosions in Western societies, that ultimately turned out to be futile. Robert even thinks that this could be his last video before being shut down by the leftist/Jihadi conspiracy.
gravenimagesays
Two creeps pretending that opposing the horrors of Jihad terror is calling for violence against Muslims. What dishonest claptrap.
Naildriversays
Hermes, no, you are wrong.
50 Muslims don’t matter as much as 50 Christians, or even 50 atheists. Religion of any sort is an option or choice — at least in the West.
Islam is not a genetic racial quality, so those who come to the West should know that, and weigh the benefits of staying Muslim when it is so harmful to those it’s inflicted upon.
Yes, they were ‘people’ but as Nazi or Huns, people involved in perpetuating a very evil system. Islam is not ok.
Discussion of the work of traitors, or as people like yourself and how it may exacerbate the propaganda machine is important. This defense isn’t to be delayed, as a real war is going on.
Chandsays
I read Brenton Tarrant’s manifesto today online. Woah, man! This work is all set to be a classic for his neo-Nazi brothers and sisters. He is going to be a cult Guru, I predict. He is Hitler, Adolf’s darling child. He has hit all the issues concerning White supremacists about the demise of the European culture and values.
He is deep and emotional and a good writer.
He mentions that little eleven year old Swedish girl, Ebba Akerlund, killed by the car jihadist and says this attack was revenge for that.
He brings up the issues of Muslim rapists targeting European women. He has hit all the right, sensitive spots. He describes how he sobbed on seeing all those white crosses in a French cemetery for dead soldiers from WW I and how their deaths should not go in vain.
He constantly asserts that immigrants are the main threat to White civilization.
Wonder how many like minded folks are out there. Heady guy, well read, well travelled,
I always fear the rise of a modern day Hitler with all the resources and technologies available to ethnically cleans the world. Brenton signals such a possibility for sure.
gravenimagesays
Notice that the dishonest Chand doesn’t mention that this “manifesto” is also largely incoherent. The shooter describes himself as an “eco-fascist” and says that the nation he most admires is Communist China.
Unsurprisingly, far from trying to protect the values of the West, he actually hates freedom, democracy, and individualism.
The claim that this ugly tripe has wide appeal in the West is just calumny.
Don Amechesays
Hitler was a Socialist… a leftist. Tarrant is a leftist. islam itself aligns with leftistism/fascism.
the hermitsays
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Renate says
We all know here that Robert Spencer and David Wood are the good guys.
gravenimage says
+1
Elizabeth Baklaich says
+2
Indeed!
revereridesagain says
+3
I’m posting this to my whole email group, lots of very concerned people.
t. says
I can’t get to see it. When I click on the play button in YouTube above, It doesn’t work as it usually does.
Does any one have an idea about what is going on?
gravenimage says
Works for me. Try Googling it.
CRUSADER says
Sure would be good to see what’s in the Qur’an !
It’d be great to release the pages of Tommy Robinson’s publication.
Jean (old) says
CRUSADER
You can presently order the book from their webpage http://mohammeds-koran.com/
– no matter where you live in the world.
Gea says
You can start by reading a summery of Koran, Hadiths and sira-life of Mohamed: http://www.cspipublishing.com/pdfs/ATwoHourKoran.pdf) whicfh gives you summary of Islamic history…
Lydia Church says
I knew there was white and I knew there was nationalism, but I didn’t know that if you combine them you get the name of a white supremacist group… so that is news to me!
Nothing wrong with white or nationalist, but there is something wrong with white supremacist groups.
Anyway it does look like they made this madman flexible enough to suit any of their agendas so that they can target any group!
CRUSADER says
“Intellectuals and Society” book by Thomas Sowell.
Intellectuals are defined as “idea workers” that exercise profound influence on policy makers and public opinion, but are often not directly accountable for the results. “Intellectuals and Society” examines the record of these idea workers and the conditions, methods and incentives driving their points of view that, according to Sowell, have often resulted in disaster for societies where intellectuals have been allowed “undue influence”.
Sowell explained undue influence of intellectuals as follows:
“Those whose careers are built on the creation and dissemination of ideas — the intellectuals — have played a role in many societies out of all proportion to their numbers. Whether that role has, on balance, made those around them better off or worse off is one of the key questions of our times.
“The quick answer is that intellectuals have done both.
“But certainly, during the 20th century, it is hard to escape the conclusion that intellectuals have on balance made the world a worse and more dangerous place. Scarcely a mass-murdering dictator of the 20th century was without his supporters, admirers, or apologists among the leading intellectuals — not only within his own country, but in foreign democracies, where intellectuals were free to say whatever they wanted.
“…intellectuals are people whose end products are intangible ideas, and they are usually judged by whether those ideas sound good to other intellectuals or resonate with the public. Whether their ideas turn out to work — whether they make life better or worse for others — is another question entirely.”
CRUSADER says
Sowell argues that intellectuals, whom he defines as people whose occupations deal primarily with ideas (writers, historians, academics, etc.), usually consider themselves as “anointed”, or as endowed with superior intellect or insight with which to guide the masses and those who have authority over them. Sowell contends that several characteristics mark such intellectuals.
An intellectual’s work begins and ends with ideas, not the practical application of ideas to real world problems. These purveyors of ideas may be at all points of the political and ideological spectrum, although Sowell generally reserves his sharpest criticisms for those on the left.
Certain common patterns in intellectuals, he argues, cut across specific political ideologies. Intellectuals, for example, show a marked preference for third parties, working outside the established power structures and applying what is presumed to be superior insight, to control the resources and decision making processes of the masses and their official leaders. This preference sometimes makes outwardly competing ideologies appear more alike than different. For example both National Socialism and Stalinism attempted to micro-manage the lives of their citizens; both implemented sweeping propaganda campaigns to reframe reality, and both resulted in leadership by an elite outside group. This, apparently, despite the fact that both movements were notoriously anti-intellectual.
Lack of real accountability
The work of intellectuals is ultimately not subject to external (real world) verifiability, as compared to those engaged in more practical pursuits with readily observable results. An intellectual, for example, can condemn a military operation for “excessive force” but has no accountability in regards to the actual outcome of that operation. By contrast, a military commander who fails to deploy sufficient force at the appropriate time can pay with his own life and that of his men. The acclaim given to intellectuals, despite their predictions having failed, is a prime example of the lack of ultimate accountability, Sowell maintains.
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So much for the perp’s “manifesto”….
Mike says
Islam is an ideology Islamic terrorists use to justify thousands of terrorist attacks around the world.This is a huge problem maybe the worlds greatest one but White supremacist do not offer us anything better AKA Hitler .
David M says
I’m wondering where he got the money from to do all the travelling he did, & buy all the weapons.
Frederick King says
the Apostate Prophet did a very good analysis of the NZ killer’s manifesto. I believe his reasoning had more to do with just mass migration to western value countries than anything else. He was not a “white supremacist.” He Just didn’t want foreign cultures coming and destroying his culture. The youtube “apostate Prophet” is a converted out of islam , german turk. He really does superior analysis of complex things.
somehistory says
Good discussion. If things were ‘right’…this would make the main street news and everyone could hear and learn.
Anne Marie Spears says
freedom of speech https://youtu.be/MXKZcV0eoUI
gravenimage says
Video: David Wood and Robert Spencer on the New Zealand massacre and how it is being exploited
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As soon as I heard about this terrible attack I knew it would be used against those who stand against Jihad terrorism–despite the fact that Anti-Jihadists like Robert Spencer oppose violence. Cynical but grimly predictable.
Westman says
Fortunately there is no way to put the truth Jinn back in the bottle in the 21st century. The death knell of Islam in the West has sounded. The Media, CAIR, SPLC, Hamas, Erdogan, the MB, and another million sources are powerless to stop it because Islam’s own doctrines and history are available in every major language. Add to that – there is so much jihad activity that it is impossible to completely suppress it.
Like other ancient Luddite religions, Islam will fade; the only questions are how quickly and how much damage it will inflict in the process. I doubt any of us will live that long – yet since the 1940’s we have watched Christianity noticeably fading to the point a US President felt he could degrade it.
I think we are seeing the beginning of Islam’s weakening. It has no comfortable place left in the 21st century West and it can’t offer its youth opportunity where it’s in the majority.
gravenimage says
I hope so, Westman.
thebigW says
“Like other ancient Luddite religions, Islam will fade; the only questions are how quickly and how much damage it will inflict in the process.”
I like how you just breeze by what will probably be the massacres by Muslims of millions of the great-grandchildren of our great grandchildren and widespread destruction and chaos and social breakdown throughout the West. Yeah, that’s some “damage” LOLOLOL
Westman says
I didn’t intend to seem dissmissive of the trouble ahead for our descendents. We must warn them about the nature and goal of Islam. However, that will not change Islam or its threat to freedom. We simply don’t have a way to change an Islam which seems only vulnerable to the world’s progress. Have you found another way to influence Islam despite its doctrines of shunning, or, fighting with, the unbelieving world – a world in which it is now uncomfortably immersed?
thebigW says
some things you can’t “influence” you just got to manage. I’m against vigilantism against Muslims as I’m sure all of us here are, but that don’t mean Muslims are going to change in numbers big enough to dissolve their jihad, and goin’ by history, they’re going to get worse not better. what you’re talking about is wishful thinking. How about deporting them instead? Just ’cause prolly won’t deport them don’t mean that that ain’t the only reasonable way to manage this catastrophe comin’ down the pike.
Savvy Kafir says
That sounds incredibly optimistic to me, Westman. From where I’m sitting, it looks as if Islam is continually gaining strength in the West, and in many other parts of the world. And there’s no reason to assume that Muslims will turn away from their religion en masse, the way Christians have in many parts of the West. Muslims have a lot more to lose by abandoning their faith. And they don’t tend to be very good at rational, scientific thought, for the most part. And most of them seem to have NO ability to be self-critical, or critical of their religion.
Gea says
Winston Churchill on Islam:
How dreadful are the curses which Mohammed-anism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.
The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.
Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome
Ashley says
Nihad Awad must be taken to task for uttering the names of Spencer and Geller in his tirade. Brenton Tarrant never mentioned either one of them in his manifesto.
I’m curious as to why Awad flashed a copy of “The Great Replacement” during the CAIR press conference. He condemned Tarrant’s manifesto while sort of promoting it. Tarrant wanted to spark division and unrest. Awad should have suppressed mention of the manifesto’s title…instead he made damn sure it was flashed before the cameras so folks could access it online.
I can’t help but wonder if Nihad Awad welcomes this horrific white supremacist terror attack to advance the Islamic agenda.
I also took note that Awad reassured the American Muslim community to attend mosque and that protection would be provided by local, state, and federal law enforcement. You know…the folks that cannot infiltrate the mosques.
Kind of like asking Sheriff Andy Taylor to stand guard at the Mayberry Whore House.
gravenimage says
+1
revereridesagain says
In case anyone imagines attacks such as the one in New Zealand will have the effect of discouraging jihad via immigration — I’ve forgotten the formal term for that — here’s the statement released by the Islamic Society of Boston, home of the Marathon-bombing Tsarnaev brothers. (After the 2013 Marathon massacre we here in Boston went around in “Boston Strong” t-shirts and watched inspirational tv news spots on how well the maimed survivors were coping. It did not take long before our “leaders” were back to their established kowtowing to the ISBCC. Alas.)
*****
Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu Dear Beloved ISBCC Community,
We all woke up to the horrific news of 49 of our brothers and sisters in faith brutally murdered by a white supremacist terrorist. Our hearts are with our brothers and sisters, their families and their communities. We pray that God grants our blessed dead with the highest levels of Paradise, showers their families with His grace after this terrible hardship, and inspires our communities to drown out this hate and violence with love and peace.
The whole Muslim community across the world is in mourning. Some of us are in a state of fear, some of us are in a state of anger, many of us in both and more.
At these times, we turn to God first to settle us and to remind us who we are meant to be – souls who “repel [evil] by that which is a most beautiful deed” (41:34). We know that God always has our back. We then turn to our community for support, comfort and solidarity.
In Boston, we are a community that sticks together. Tragedy after tragedy, Bostonians from diverse faiths and backgrounds have come together, supported one another, and spoke out against hate. We do not let fear and hate bully us. We expect nothing less this time. We are Boston Strong.
In this spirit, Boston’s Mayor, Commissioner and interfaith leaders will be attending our Friday services today at the ISBCC at 1 pm to express their support and solidarity. We welcome any Bostonians who would like to join us. InshAllah let us all come together for Jumua.
We have also stepped up our security efforts. The Boston Police will have several cruises around the mosque. We will also have extra security guards inside of our masjid. We recommend the same for all the mosques around New England.
Your ISBCC Family
somehistory says
Just sickening. Making a big show of the ‘victimhood’ in a city that saw such terror from moslims not that long ago, but which some seem to have forgotten was due to islam.
revereridesagain says
It’s “Marxachusetts” so it’s already leftist and pro-Muslim and they are very aggressive of shutting down any criticism of Islam. That huge mosque is coddled when it should have been shut down in the wake of the bombing.
I’ve got JihadWatch and a Defeat Jihad stickers on the bumper of my car and if they try to ban Jihad Watch they will stay right where they are. But I’ve ordered a couple of “Banned” stickers just in case I have to go all sarcastic on these b@$t@rd$.
gravenimage says
Yes–just disgusting.
FYI says
“At these times we turn to God to settle us…”
They turn to allah the BEST OF DECEIVERS k3:54,the PAGAN god of islam.
allah is NOT the Judeo-Christian Biblical God.
allah, the god of the Doctrine of Hate{al walaa wal baraa}
allah, who tells muslims in violation of God’s 2nd chief commandment
“Oh ye who believe !Take not the Jews and christians for friends” k5:51
allah, who CURSES Christians and Jews in k9:30
allah, who teaches muslims they can violate God’s Exodus 20 laws in his “holy” koran
Let’s not have these multicult prayers where the muslims,who subscribe to a false god, are allowed to take center stage…
CRUSADER says
“Marxachusetts” — that’s accurate!
Regarding the Islamic Society of Boston….
How is the ACT for America gathering going over in the Patriot State?
http://www.ACTforAmerica.org/issues
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Jayme says
The Cbc had NCCM on today and the whole time they pushed Sharia law also The Star took this has a chance to say if your white your more or less the problem.
somehistory says
Ashley wondered: IF “Nihad Awad welcomes this horrific white supremacist terror attack to advance the Islamic agenda.”
Yes, yes he does. First of all, as Mr. Spencer has written so many times, they need attacks. They don’t get them, so they file fake police reports, claiming attacks on the head covering, being told to ‘go back’ from where they came, etc. If there are no attacks, moslims make them up.
This guy helped cair and the others by his killing of moslims in their own spaces. Now, they have “proof” that they are victims. This will be a never-ending thing with cair…for as long as they can get attention for it.
Ashley says
Thanks, friend.
I seriously doubt Awad welcomed the attacks but he sure is exploiting the shit out of this. Grotesque.
He was wrong, wrong, WRONG to utter Spencer and Geller by name in the nifty presser. Robert is fighting an uphill battle as is…he needs this shit like a hole-in-the-head.
Sorry for the salty language…I’m pretty riled after viewing the clip.
somehistory says
Ashley
You know how the moslims in Gaza…hamas and their followers…put their little kids and pregnant women in front of them as a shield, how they place their bunkers under schools and nurseries…so when Israel fires back at those who have first fired on Israel, the Jews will be held accountable.
moslims **use** their children as tools in the fight, the war, to gain larger ground to destroy everything not moslim. They don’t have natural affection, no love of family, so it doesn’t hurt them when other moslims are killed. They just use the killings to whine about how much they are hated and how much they are victimized.
My guess is, awad is gloating and conspiring with his cocair people about what he can say to further the blame on Mr. Spencer and all others who speak about the evils and cause of jihad…islam. And to attack the freedom to speak.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Somehistory.
revereridesagain says
Awad is an attack dog who needs to be smacked on the nose with a rolled-up-newspaper now and again to teach him obedience and manners. The whole Boston political gang of dhimmis isn’t willing to do it, but when he called a VFW post in Newton last year and demanded they cancel Anni Cyrus’ appearance, the retired marine who runs the place took newspaper in hand and little Nihad slunk off with his tail between his legs. Robert and David are experts at this.
gravenimage says
I finally had a chance to watch this whole video. Excellent, and it offers hope in a dark time. Thank you both.
Bezelel says
When the objective is to support and defend the Constitutional rule of law VS the sharia rule of law, everything else just muddies the water. Of course under sharia it’s perfectly acceptable to mass murder non-muslims simply for being non-muslims.
The choice is ballots or bullets. The MSM and DNC are monkeying with our information to make wise decisions at the polls. They are degrading the integrity of the elections. By doing this they are ultimately removing Ballots from the equation. When we can’t trust the courts or government then chaos is going to happen. Like it or not. sharia law thrives on chaos, look at ISIS.
mortimer says
One attack per year by a Western racist is treated as the end of the world, while there are 3 lethal jihad attacks on average EVERY DAY of the year.
There are over 1,000 times MORE lethal jihad attacks per year than there are attacks like that in NZ against Muslims.
Where is the outrage on the statistic of 1,000 + JIHAD ATTACKS PER YEAR ???
vlparker says
And while I certainly don’t advocate going into a mosque and shooting people, it seems to me if muslims are attending a mosque it is more than likely that they are paying the zakat. And since one-eighth of zakat goes to finance jihad then they are funding terrorism and they know that they are funding terrorism. Doesn’t sound like a bunch of innocents to me.
eduardo odraude says
It has been way too long since the last installment of the Robert and David show!
Chand says
Watched the whole video. The future looks grimmer. They correctly predict an escalation of violence between Muslims and non Muslims. And there are no real answers or solutions. This world war has acquired its own momentum now and will play itself out, it seems.
Brenton Tarrant has shown the way for some. Get armed and get to work. Quit discussions and start shooting.
Although as an atheist I would love to see the end of religions and Muslims quitting Islam, I am not as optimistic as David Wood who feels that they could quit in larger numbers soon. There might be increased radicalization among Muslims instead.
White nationalist terrorism seems to have become a very serious threat after this Christchurch massacre. This is the first real large scale targeting of Muslim civilians by one single individual, with disturbing portents.
Finally I somehow feel that non-Muslim people don’t really care about the Muslim victims in Christchurch. Now I seem to better understand why Muslims don’t seem to care too much either when Islamic jihadi terrorism kills non-Muslims. Not many care about the fates of others.
gravenimage says
The always dishonest Chand wrote:
Finally I somehow feel that non-Muslim people don’t really care about the Muslim victims in Christchurch. Now I seem to better understand why Muslims don’t seem to care too much either when Islamic jihadi terrorism kills non-Muslims. Not many care about the fates of others.
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There has been a huge outpouring of concern about Muslims from non-Muslims in the wake of the New Zealand Mosque shootings–whereas most Muslims cheer when their coreligionists mass slaughter Infidels, as they do on a regular basis.
The idea that Muslims don’t care about Infidels being slaughtered in Jihad because Infidels (supposedly) do not care about Muslims killed is grotesque calumny. This is blaming the victims of Islam for their own victimization by Muslims.
This ignores the fact that what Chand says is, firstly, not true; that Muslims have seldom spoken out against Jihad terror much predates the Mosque attacks in New Zealand; and that Islam *itself* teaches the brutalization and mass murder of any non-Muslims who don’t submit to Islam.
somehistory says
g,
Right on. Some people lie so easily. Lies are *key* to the spread of islam.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Somehistory.
Chand has a nasty posting history here, whitewashing the horrors of Islam.
somehistory says
+1
YW.
GT_Void says
Maybe they can explain this video, too, starting at the 39:54 mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyuDNsTSXl8
gravenimage says
The Rabbi is being sarcastic–saying what antisemites falsely claim Jews are doing.
Anyone who cannot grasp this is pretty dim-witted.
mortimer says
Key phrase in this video by Robert Spencer: “Muslims are the executors of the wrath of Allah against non-Muslims.”
eduardo odraude says
Around the globe, there have been nearly 35,000 jihad terror attacks in the name of Islam since 2002. To look into each case, see thereligionofpeace.com
Those 35,000 attacks killed over 100,000 people and injured even more.
eduardo odraude says
In fact, because thereligionofpeace.com is exceedingly careful in how attacks are counted, the numbers I just cited are a gross underestimate.
revereridesagain says
Everyone must be encouraged to visit that site. It is an eye-opener that cannot be ignored or denied or wished away because it is ALL facts, and they cannot be ignored. Almost none of these attacks have been reported in the media.
CRUSADER says
David Wood:
Predicted Massacre occurring at Mosques (New Zealand)
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Ethno-Nationalist/Eco-Fascist/Semi-Right-Wing/Leftist/Racist Terrorist attacked mosques….
Predictable that such attacks would occur… Tension will build until both sides react eventually because they haven’t learned an approach to address the uncomfortable issues. We can discuss Shariah without threats or intimidation or violence….
Breivik’s manifesto concluded that violence was the only way forward to stop muslim immigration policies…. Breivik became convinced that speech was useless and criticism was pointless due to stigmatizing. Media has stranglehold over public perception… Freedom of Speech is futile… Shock Attacks penetrate the censorship of socialist multi-cultural globalist regimes….
Many more people are becoming concerned about the spread of Islam / Shariah …. Silencing people is what led to Breivik in the first place… Jihadis on one side saying “Kill the Infidels, they are threats to our way of life” — yet, there is the other side saying the opposite counter to that… Killing Sprees and Governments which block hate speech are both efforts which are not going to further the solution to the problem…
The perpetrator of the Mosque massacres in New Zealand wanted to speed up conflict to get to the resolution… Silencing evil by turning to violence… Triggering a war is the only way to stop advancement of Islam and marginalization by demographic growth… Now we have fueling of division…. Politicians and Journalists are responding in the way terrorists manipulate them.
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On March 15, 2019, a terrorist named Brenton Tarrant opened fire at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, killing at least 49 people. I have been predicting attacks like this for a decade. Unless we take steps to address the escalating tensions, we will continue seeing terrorist attacks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pawij9XrZjQ
eduardo odraude says
Peter35,
David Wood did not say he predicted when or where. He also did not say he was the only one who predicted it. Yet you write as if he claimed to have predicted when and where and as if he claimed that he alone made the prediction. Wood knows very well that others — for example Robert Spencer — made the same prediction, and Wood never claimed otherwise.
In the above video, Wood includes old video clips in which he does indeed predict that censoring non-violent criticism of Islam will lead some people to become violent, since they are not permitted to express their views peacefully.
John F. Kennedy made a similar prediction when he said, “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.” Peaceful change can happen through freedom of speech and open discussion. If free discussion is blocked, if censorship is used (censorship is itself a form of violence imposed by force), then that leads to violent extremism.
James Lincoln says
During the last approximately 10 minutes of the video, David Wood talks about the possibilities – if only the mainstream news media, social media, etc., were on the side of the anti-jihadists and Islam was exposed for the evil and fraud that it is.
Islam would not stand a chance – if only a very powerful light would shine upon it, and totally expose it.
eduardo odraude says
In the end, we must not look to others to shine that light. The problem is that too many are looking to others, so hardly anyone does anything. Almost everyone is afraid to go public on these issues, except to spout the safe lines. We need to keep self-educating.
One thing we can do is join Act for America or Act for Canada.
James Lincoln says
Agree eduardo.
brane pilot says
Radical mass-immigration laws that invite incompatible, alien cultures into our societies in large numbers are causing unstable people to commit mass murder with guns.
So what laws do they want to change?
The gun laws.
ntesdorf says
This talk by Robert Spencer and David Wood was one of their finest ever and set out the path of enlightenment and peace in opposition to the path of violence and war.
tim gallagher says
To me, Robert Spencer and David Wood are heroes for their persistent efforts in trying to wake up the slumbering fools ( unfortunately, they still seem to be the majority of the populations in all of our countries) to the evil nature of Islam. All I can say is, all the best with your work and I wish so many people weren’t such slow learners when it comes to Islam’s nature. I don’t understand how almost everyone hasn’t woken up by now despite the garbage, the disinformation, much of the media constantly feed them about Islam’s nature.
eduardo odraude says
Several causes explain it. 1) the truth is too horrible, and many people react to frightening things by putting their heads in the sand and going into denial; 2) because Islam is not just a religion but a political system, its core texts teach the use of disinformation propaganda and its religio-political leaders employ deception. That is simply what all governments and political movements do, especially the authoritarian and totalitarian kind; 3) significant parts of the left readily swallow the deception and disinformation because it feeds into the left narrative that the hated right and conservatives are xenophobic troglodytes.
tim gallagher says
I’m sure you are right, Eduardo. Lots of people do, indeed, seem to have an amazing capacity to ignore unpleasant realities. If large numbers of people in our countries keep ignoring the reality of Islam’s evil nature, Islam will win this war against our civilised values. Robert and David keep trying to wake people up, which is incredibly important work.
CRUSADER says
Christ Church New Zealand Mosque Tragedy and Hypocrisy
— Apostate Prophet
Since the Christ Church New Zealand Mosque attack happened, many people and the media have been trying to blame and attack everyone they could think of. Many think that “Islamophobia” and anti-Islamic or anti-Muslim speech is responsible, but is it really?
Some think that the terrorist just wanted to avenge the Islamic terrorist attacks all over Europe.
Ironically, that’s exactly how Islamic terrorists justify their attacks: by killing innocent civilians in the West and blaming it on military actions by the West.
Others think that we are all to blame for this terrorist act. Ironically, that’s exactly what they reject when an Islamic terrorist attack happens.
Let’s reflect and be reasonable.
— Apostate Prophet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt3r5GdbC1w
eduardo odraude says
I like the apostate prophet. Thanks for posting that video. Also like the David Wood video. Would be cool to see Spencer, Wood, and the Apostate Prophet do something together, perhaps with some of the other usual suspects.
na says
Last day I saw a video of TRT news, insulting westerners, But still westerners have patience .
Muslims should understand,
Wherever a Muslim there is a problem, They want their own nation.
They have a bad history, bloodthirsty people and you are cursed . That curse may follow you until 7-8 generations.until you confess.
You should do good things ,
For example you should join with Robert Spencer, donate and fight against terrorism. Your generations will be blessed. Leave Islam.
Look at Hindus, why they do not appreciate killing , because killing others is the top 1 sin. because one life is very precious than anything in the world.
You are immigrating to New Zealand and other countries illegally with the help of their own govt to make money you send that money back to hometown. Supporting terrorism , hawala , Binami.
Just monitor the victims of New Zealand they are illegals ask them documents, .
Relic says
Where’s Jay Boo?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJXPTnPmm78
gravenimage says
I haven’t seen Jay Boo posting lately.
na says
Robert, It is easy to catch illegal Muslim migrant. Use one Asian guy and mingle with them tell them that you are also a Muslim from Asia and I came here through Sham marriage. Illegal migrants may reveal the truth and expect this answer “We are also reached here through illegal solicitors or I came here in student visa but last 10 years am staying here illegally to promote terrorism against our western enemies”.
CRUSADER says
Not very nice, there, na.
“Na na na na
Hey hey hey
Goodbye….”
! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoyvvEWHodk
Marigold says
Thankyou for the video.I listened to all of the discussion and I thought it was very reasonable and sensible.I particularly liked the quote of President Kennedy’s you mentioned Robert
Shy Guy says
Folks, have a read:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10718902/Aotearoa-Muslim-is-proud-to-support-Isis
gravenimage says
No surprise there.
adams says
I can not hear the sound or get sub titles . What is going on ?
vlparker says
Lots and lots of coverage of the NZ massacre but nothing on the Nigerian murders last week of Christians by muslims. Surprise, surprise.
underbed cat says
I have been reading some New Zealand articles about this shooters many trips to Turkey and some other Islamic countries who did he visit. It certainly has the effect of bringing attention to another subduing force besides the “white supremacists”, as racist islamophobes, or the “muslims” perceived” far right mantra of hate, add the requirement not to expose the sura’s, it may turn out to be another “white jihadist ” in conflict or a collusion to script and incite a protest of free speech, which our President protects. We cannot ignores the deception of the Islamic law of slander….which restricts information about the doctrine of jihad to create a fantasy islam. The writing of the manifesto is highly programmed to follow suit,connects the lefts’s explanation of terror. However knowing the doctrine that connect isis, al queda, boko harem daesh and many islamic special groups who follow the commands of the Quranic sharia manifesto but deny the world’s connected slaughter, will get the media to spread the white conspirators manifesto quite disjointed work, but will work to get support from the uninformed and the left media. We may will see in coming days as the cracks show up. It is news to many unfamiliar with sharia law, jihad warfare, propaganda and organized marketing to silence, that muslims kill each other, mosque attacks do happen by their jihad competitors, does not happen as often as church attacks so think of a muslim sunni killed in Turkey shite country in a Sunni Saudi embassy, they do fight each other and has noting to do with the west but all to do with exposure.Either way it is gruesome. Spreading information about the quranic manifesto is prohibited any criticism of their sharia law is abhorrant. Truth only causes terror to the muslim.
vlparker says
He also went to Pakistan. Seemed to enjoy it there. Makes you wonder if he isn’t a muzzie who sacrificed a bunch of other muzzies in the cause of allah.
gravenimage says
Yes–*very* odd stuff.
Bezelel says
I read he had a recent trip to pakistan and loved the place? The mosk was bangladesh? Rivals? Believing anything he says is not advisable. So yes, I agree there is much more to it. Fact checking insanity is a challenge.
Elizabeth Thorne says
The names of the people on the shooter’s gun are Serbian people who were killed by Muslims, and an Orthodox church script. He is a Serbian Orthodox. The song he was playing is Remove the Kababab. There is a tower in Serbia, built of skull by the Muslims after they killed the people. There are hundreds of mosques in Bosnia and Shari’ah law is being forced on people. He used their tactics against them. He called the Muslims the barbarians.
underbed cat says
Elizabeth Thorne your comment is very informative and important to know. Yes they do use force to inflict this doctrine by terror. I know but I wonder if his trip to Turkey and Islamic countries was his final act to gather his information, details of Islam’s work of terror, before his attack that convinced him to act and not a collusion to spread the victim scenario of jihad doctrine attackers. They are experts at suppressing facts, and have a tight and plentiful base of organizations to fight back facts. Very clever, plentiful in all countries with money to coerce, influence media and governments who don’t study.
underbed cat says
Experts at reaching emotions, misinformation campaigns, omitted verses and use of dawah and achieving education to implant laws, working as advisers, persuading politicians,media and after heavy migration, in foreign countries will succeed to get many to comply or face attacks and slander. Cleverly evil deception.
thebigW says
Elizabeth Thorne, if he’s Serbian, then that manifesto that’s goin’ around is a fake or partly fake, ’cause in it he says “My parents are of Scottish, Irish and English stock”.
That ex-CIA station chief Brad Johnson says in a video that the shooter is Serbian and that if ya hear anything else from the media, it’s “bullsh***t.”
https://gatesofvienna.net/2019/03/brad-johnson-on-the-christchurch-massacre/
gravenimage says
Lots of contradictory stuff out there. I read his “manifesto”, and he does not say he is Serbian.
Mary says
Can’t he claim mental illness just as muslims do. Then a slap on the wrist, and don’t do it again. Nah probably won’t work.
Naildriver says
Another failed manifesto — very much like the ideas in Charles Manson’s Helter Skelter; and I doubt most good people would want this individual in their lives.
But individuals confronting this horror from Islam should be cut a little slack, at least given the violent reality of their enemy — Islam has set of directives to kill opposition, and any who would provide any opposition at all.
Islamics cut their fanatics who assault kufirs, or nonbelievers, a little slack in that they do not face the most severe sentences as those crimes against believers. Sort of like the reverse of ‘Hate’ crime law.
There is going to be bloodshed because Islam is structured to effect violence, and it cannot be reformed — at least without built in directives to kill those who might try to implement any such cleansing.
Any social science expert would certainly concur every population will have and array of personalities and genetically predisposed people who react to threats in degrees of intensity. But also most psychologists would say defensive measures are a perfectly normal — this man was not necessarily a paranoid psychotic -among those he murdered, there were those who likely understood their belief system required them to jihad against all beyond the walls of the mosque including the use of violence.
Islam has patently unacceptable directives or incitement to inflict horrors upon those who don’t share there beliefs built into their system, and Western peoples are not protected from them by their own governments — and these same governments bring millions of these Muslims in — and have the audacity to try and redefine these peoples beliefs. Islam is not OK.
Like the Balkans a very volatile state of affairs now exists. Islam is mankind’s enemy.
Hermes Liberty says
Boys, you just made big strategic mistake. It doesn’t matter if what you say is true — this is very bad timing and shows a callousness to the 50 human lives lost. Instead, a condemnation of this violence would have been both sufficient and superior. Why defend yourself when it is totally unneccessary?
Chand says
How can one condemn something that one desires, by other means?
I mean since Islam is evil, then necessarily the followers of Islam are evil people and isn’t it best to stop these people, from worshipping their evil cult, their way of life and so isn’t it best they do not exist? Muslims ought not to practice their religion or be Muslims, and so they ought to be silent and dumb and invisible and apologetic and the logical extension of this is that they ought to renounce their religion or life itself.
So putting them six feet under will solve everything. No Muslims, no Islam, no problems. All happiness, liberty, peace, joy and glory everywhere.
David Wood, at one point, in the video, says that others thinking of taking the violent path like Brenton Tarrant to solve the jihadi/Islam problem should give ‘honest discussion’ a chance first and then they’ll have ample time to go on their violent spree if ‘honest discussion’ fails.
Even those who are considering a revolution in world affairs with whole Western govts appropriated for the cause of eliminating all non-White humans on the globe should first consider the possibility of stopping Islamic ideology through ‘honest discussion’ and non-violent means and then they could always follow their violent project if ‘discussion’ and persuasion fails.
I personally feel David and Robert are doing an important work and their critiques of Islamic terror are a safety valve against the coming White terror, which they themselves claim. But they kind of admit that White supremacist violence, terror and revolution is kind of inevitable and forthcoming. It is an unstoppable force and we might as well accept it and condemning it is actually futile and silly.
So while David and Robert are definitely not responsible for White terror they are actually safety valves against the coming explosions in Western societies, that ultimately turned out to be futile. Robert even thinks that this could be his last video before being shut down by the leftist/Jihadi conspiracy.
gravenimage says
Two creeps pretending that opposing the horrors of Jihad terror is calling for violence against Muslims. What dishonest claptrap.
Naildriver says
Hermes, no, you are wrong.
50 Muslims don’t matter as much as 50 Christians, or even 50 atheists. Religion of any sort is an option or choice — at least in the West.
Islam is not a genetic racial quality, so those who come to the West should know that, and weigh the benefits of staying Muslim when it is so harmful to those it’s inflicted upon.
Yes, they were ‘people’ but as Nazi or Huns, people involved in perpetuating a very evil system. Islam is not ok.
Discussion of the work of traitors, or as people like yourself and how it may exacerbate the propaganda machine is important. This defense isn’t to be delayed, as a real war is going on.
Chand says
I read Brenton Tarrant’s manifesto today online. Woah, man! This work is all set to be a classic for his neo-Nazi brothers and sisters. He is going to be a cult Guru, I predict. He is Hitler, Adolf’s darling child. He has hit all the issues concerning White supremacists about the demise of the European culture and values.
He is deep and emotional and a good writer.
He mentions that little eleven year old Swedish girl, Ebba Akerlund, killed by the car jihadist and says this attack was revenge for that.
He brings up the issues of Muslim rapists targeting European women. He has hit all the right, sensitive spots. He describes how he sobbed on seeing all those white crosses in a French cemetery for dead soldiers from WW I and how their deaths should not go in vain.
He constantly asserts that immigrants are the main threat to White civilization.
Wonder how many like minded folks are out there. Heady guy, well read, well travelled,
I always fear the rise of a modern day Hitler with all the resources and technologies available to ethnically cleans the world. Brenton signals such a possibility for sure.
gravenimage says
Notice that the dishonest Chand doesn’t mention that this “manifesto” is also largely incoherent. The shooter describes himself as an “eco-fascist” and says that the nation he most admires is Communist China.
Unsurprisingly, far from trying to protect the values of the West, he actually hates freedom, democracy, and individualism.
The claim that this ugly tripe has wide appeal in the West is just calumny.
Don Ameche says
Hitler was a Socialist… a leftist. Tarrant is a leftist. islam itself aligns with leftistism/fascism.
the hermit says
Great news from Australia.
The government is going to spend thirty million dollars on the protection of mosques all over Australia.