Are there people on the watchlist who shouldn’t be on it? Have law-abiding, peaceful Muslims been inconvenienced? Probably. Mistakes will always be made. But Shibly doesn’t want just more care when adding people to the watchlist, and better treatment of the people who are on it. He wants it scrapped altogether. This is tantamount to saying that because the U.S. military sometimes accidentally kills non-combatants, it should be dismantled.
Now why would Shibly want there to be no terror watchlist at all? Does he think there is no jihad terror threat? Or might it have to do with the fact that he heads the Florida chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)? CAIR is an unindicted co-conspirator in a Hamas terror funding case — so named by the Justice Department. CAIR officials have repeatedly refused to denounce Hamas and Hizballah as terrorist groups. Several former CAIR officials have been convicted of various crimes related to jihad terror. CAIR’s cofounder and longtime Board chairman (Omar Ahmad), as well as its chief spokesman (Ibrahim Hooper), have made Islamic supremacist statements about how Islamic law should be imposed in the U.S. (Ahmad denies this, but the original reporter stands by her story.) CAIR chapters frequently distribute pamphlets telling Muslims not to cooperate with law enforcement. CAIR has opposed virtually every anti-terror measure that has been proposed or implemented and has been declared a terror organization by the United Arab Emirates. CAIR’s Hussam Ayloush in 2017 called for the overthrow of the U.S. government. CAIR’s national outreach manager is an open supporter of Hamas.
Now why would someone who works for such an organization want the terror watchlist scrapped? It’s a real head-scratcher.
“U.S. Government’s Terrorist Watchlist Violates the Constitution, Lawyer—and Plaintiff—Says,” by Chantal Da Silva, Newsweek, April 3, 2019 (thanks to Witness to Jihad):
A lawyer named as a plaintiff in a case questioning the constitutionality of the government’s use of a federal terrorist watchlist says it is time for the U.S. to end its practice of “targeting Americans on the basis of their faith, particularly the American Muslim community.
“Since I was 18 years old, I’ve personally been stopped over two dozen times, including being placed in handcuffs, asked about my religious practices and subjected to extremely humiliating treatments at the hands of federal officers who have treated me like a second-class citizen on account of my faith,” Hassan Shibly, a lawyer who heads the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)’s Florida chapter, told Newsweek.
While Shibly has represented a number of high-profile cases as a lawyer, including that of Hoda Muthana, who left the U.S. to join the Islamic State (ISIS) and has sought to return to America, in this case, which was brought forward by CAIR, he is also a plaintiff.
While the watchlist is meant to include those who are known or suspected terrorists, according to the Associated Press, it contains hundreds of thousands of names. Shibly said he is just one of many Muslim-Americans whom he believes have been placed on the list for no reason other than their religion.
That is why, on Thursday, when a federal court in Alexandria, Virginia, is expected to weigh in on whether the U.S. government’s use of its federal terrorist watchlist violates the Constitution, Shibly hopes the judge will rule in the plaintiffs’ favor….
“For example, Government border agents often remove watchlisted individuals and their families from their cars at gunpoint, and then copy the complete contents of their phones,” CAIR said in a statement.
Thursday’s court hearing comes after the government acknowledged in February that it shares its watchlist with more than 1,400 private entities, including hospitals and universities, sparking outrage among rights advocates.
Shibly said the revelation should demonstrate “the level of harm people who are wrongfully placed on the list can be subjected to.”
“It can affect their employment, their ability to exercise their rights,” he said. “It can have tremendously devastating impacts… It’s preposterous that the government can share with over 1,400 entities your name and cast you in a negative light without due process.”
“Ultimately,” Shibly said, “the watchlist program and the negative impact it’s had has made America a less safe and free nation… It undermines our religious liberty and our security.”
The CAIR lawyer said: “I can tell you that every American Muslim has either been on the list or has known somebody on the list.”…
somehistory says
If he doesn’t like being “stopped” and asked questions, he can move to iran, or Saudi Arabia, or Iraq…nearly an endless list of moslim countries…and no one will try to keep him here.
How many non-moslims have been picked up, tried,imprisoned and murdered in moslim countries…because of false claims of blasphemy? He can go to pakistan and represent the government to put these people away.
It is amazing that moslim lawyers always see laws they don’t like as “unconstitutional” while screaming bloody murder when a State endeavors to rule against the “unconstitutional” unlawful rules of islam. Such was the case in OK a year or so ago when that State wanted to make sure no one was subject to islamic unlaw, and all of the moslim “lawyers” came out screaming that it was a law against them as moslims.
Clearly, the tenets of islam…are all unlawful, and in the U.S., unConstitutional as they are entirely non-freedom related; their demands to not tell the Truth about islam is against Freedom of Speech, and saying they will make islam the only religion, is against Freedom of Religion.
Great will be the day when this fool is taken down.
mortimer says
SH, you have raised the point of this. Namely, why complain about the constitution, Sharia law is dead opposed to the constitution. Sharia is ANOTHER CONSTITUTION entirely and Sharia’s tenets would overrule and STRIKE DOWN all the freedoms, human rights and provisions of equality in the US constitution.
Which way does Shibly want it? Make up your mind, Shibly. You can’t choose both Sharia and the US constitution.
Nice try, Shibly. But we saw through it.
J D.S says
This picture looks like “poster children” for Islam.
As to the watch list…If a Muslim believes in what’s in the koran and hadath and practices the same…then they NEED to be on the watch list. CAIR sure is not what one should want for a spokesperson.
Frederick King says
How many thousands of “infidels” are murdered by muslims every year ? Ifyou don’t like our security services, move to a wonderful islamic republic.
K WAGNER says
AMEN, AMEN, AMEN
Carol the 1st says
I was watching when new muslim “lawmaker” Movita was interviewed about the prayer that had so many mentions of “Jesus” in it that she concluded the prayer was designed to offend her. Despite this she hastened to add that “ignorant” people don’t realize how revered Jesus is to muslims.
I still contend that it wasn’t so much the focus on Jesus but the mention of Trump’s support of Israel that got her goat. Her right eyebrow and right shoulder actually twitched when this part of the prayer was replayed to her.
Carol the 1st says
In the interests of truth: It was her “left” eyebrow and shoulder.
gravenimage says
Hamas-linked CAIR’s Hassan Shibly claims US government’s terror watchlist is unconstitutional
………………..
I hope we tell him to go pound sand.
Jayme says
Muslim groups in Canada have said the same thing the list violates the charter yet a few times the courts have said in reality it does not.
James Lincoln says
Anything that CAIR reports is, without exception, totally fake news.
m. says
cair-cinoma: tough s**t
Aussie Infidel says
Shibly claims he has been “treated like a second-class citizen on account of [his] faith.”
Why should Westerners have any respect for Islam? This pernicious creed commands its followers to hate all non-Muslims, and have no respect for anyone else but other Muslims. And that’s how he would treat kafirs if the Muslims were in control – as ‘dhimmis’ or second class citizens – until they either convert to Islam or pay the jizya tax.
I can’t tell whether the woman in the picture is real or a shop mannequin? Or is it a clip from ‘I Dream of Jeannie’?
As usual, Shibly is simply a smart-arse lawyer pushing Sharia and trying to portray Muslims as the victims.
Islam is a criminal ideology which has no place in any civilized society, and should be declared a threat to our national security.
Carol the 1st says
Did he borrow some fabric from the red sheet next to him in order to frame his sunny face? Maybe he can suck on it now that life is acting contrary.
Michael Garant says
Lovely wife……
Alkimos says
Would like to agree but who knows whats behind that rag ? could be his sister, sorry my mistake, lovely wife.
Michael Garant says
or even his brother, who knows…… ;0)
Carol the 1st says
I see a feed bag and suspect it’s a good little horsey. They say the main advantage of a feed bag is that “little food is wasted and it prevents one animal consuming the ration of another”. I think the ones accompanying such horsey’s should wear them too. Then we could all get back to running the world sanely.
keith Oades says
What use is a “watch list” if all they are doing is watch. Should be a detain and deport list.
livingengine says
“Wilfredo Ruiz’s David Duke Connection”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYzckR14ufY
paul 316 says
American politicians need to wake their asses up and see islam for what it truly is, an oppressive war machine that wants to control the world. They are allowing anti Semite organizations and Senators to bash Jews , Christians and the so called non believers with increasing regularity. The constitution is being eroded day by day and shria is gaining ground just as they have planned. When will these great minds that voters have put in office stand up and stop the poison that is killing freedom and America? When will American’s wake up and stop voting for islamic haters, Has Minnesota become that entrenched with islam?
KWJ says
Tell your Congress Rep or Senator what you just said, though be more specific. Tweet them or email them, or are you afraid to? People who need to know aren’t going to read your comment here. People aren’t going to magically be aware.
EDWARD MOSS says
THANKS YOU FOR YOUR SUGGESTION …….
EDWARD MOSS says
OUR OWN GOVERNMENT IS DESTROYING OUR CONSTITUTION WITH OUT ANY HELP FROM OUT SIDERS …..
Wellington says
The sartorial “elements” of this decidedly lovely couple rather say it all. Yes, indeed, show me a man wearing a skull cap and a woman next to him (one of four wives?) covered in a glorified garbage bag and I will show you a couple who don’t care one whit about, let’s see here, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, equality under the law, women’s rights, gay rights, a true Golden Rule for all, romantic love, real democracy, etc. Count on it.
perceptor1 says
Agree with Wellington 100% …
… of course they don’t care about anything on your list, but they do endorse Islam as death cult, a rape cult, an honor-killing cult, an extortion cult, a plunder cult, a censorship cult, a misogyny cult, a lie cult, a pedophilia cult, a sadomasochistic cult, an obsessive-compulsive cult, a supremacism cult, a Jew hatred cult, a Christianophobia cult, a homophobic cult, a male chauvinist cult, an inbreeding cult, an obscurantism cult, a superstition cult, a personality cult, a cruelty to animals cult, a group-think cult, a suicide cult.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Wellington.
FYI says
You cannot expect honesty from the followers of Al-Lah,the “BEST of deceivers” k3:54
5 times a day,in their false piety, they bow down before their demonic,pagan, Arab god.
A god who permits RAPE{Sunan Abu dawud vol 2 hadith 2155}
A god who permits the use of women as sex slaves k4:24
A god who tells muslims it is ok to violate God’s Commandments{Exodus 20}
They follow the Sunnah of a mass-murdering{Abu Dawud 4390} pedophile liar{al tabari 6:111} “prophet”.
They follow the warped,Commandment-of-God Violating,sinful and immoral teachings of their unholy koran.
ALL muslims in political office worship the false deceiver god of islam:allah khayru-i-makireena.
muslims “pray” to this false god.
A god who is OK with bearing FALSE WITNESS.
A misogynistic,racist,antichristian,antiJewish,linguistically,theologically and scientifically challenged pagan Arab god….
Here is the evidence that Al Lah is an evil god
1.{Sahih muslim vol 5 hadith 5611}Al lah’s greatest enemy is…. Jesus Christ{Malik al Amlak}Revs 19:16
2. the Doctrine of HATE{Al walaa wal baraa}is EVIL.
3.The violation of the 2nd chief commandment in k5:51:the Jews and Christians,instead of being treated with respect are to be disrespected{see k9:30 allah CURSES the Jews and the Christians}The islamic dismissal of non-muslims as “infidels” is in violation of God’s 2nd chief law{found in the Bible,in Judaism and Christianity but contradicted by the koran}
4.The koranic teachings are sinful and are in total violation of God’s Exodus 20 enumerated laws:see for yourself.Compare the Bible and the koran with respect to God’s Laws.
allah is OK with murdering infidels,stealing from infidels,using women as sex slaves even if married{=ADULTERY!!}
What dear muslims,was the point of the Torah,of Moses receiving the Exodus 20 Commandments from God only for your “allah”{“The BEST of deceivers” k3:54} to suddenly appear in the 7th c and teach that it is OK to violate them,thereby sinning AGAINST GOD??
Read al tabari 6:111 for the Truth about muhammed’s mission..
Sam says
I love it when Muslims defend our constitution. They do it when it benefits their sick ideology. Islam must be banned. Why are we wasting our time, money and lives to allow this cult in America?
gravenimage says
Yes–they only cite the constitution when they think it can further the cause of Islam. If–God forbid!–they ever gained full power here, they would destroy all the protections of the constitution and replace it with Shari’ah law.
Rhiannon says
OF COURSE, Hassan Shibly wants that so his friends in Hamas can travel freely and kill Americans and Israelis. RESIST.
Sue Ellen says
“Since I was 18 years old, I’ve personally been stopped over two dozen times, including being placed in handcuffs, asked about my religious practices and subjected to extremely humiliating treatments at the hands of federal officers who have treated me like a second-class citizen on account of my faith,” Hassan Shibly, a lawyer who heads the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)’s Florida chapter, told Newsweek.” Really Hassan, you’ve been treated like a “second-class” citizen because if your faith??!!!??? You should be ashamed of your self! You don’t even know the beginning of what it is to be treated as a second-class citizen! You live in a country we’re you have the freedom to practice your religion and get an education, that’s why you’re a lawyer! On the other hand in Muslim countries like where you or your family come from they persecute Christians, Catholics, non-Muslims and really are treated as second-class citizens because of their faith, to the point that they are passed up for decent jobs even if they have the education and are forced to work the lowest and least paid jobs suck as garbage collectors, sweepers, cleaning sewers, etc. Pakistan for example is guilty of such discrimination! You Hassan have it made in the USA!!! Ungrateful man!!!
Sue Ellen says
Sorry for the typos. for*; such*
Rhiannon says
Yes, I really feel for Hassan. I don’t know how much he makes as a lawyer, but as a woman, it’s a fair guess that women in countries like the one he came from are REALLY treated as second-class citizens. So are Christians and Jews. Suck it up, Hassan! If the shoe were on the other foot, and you were in control, YOU would not give first class consideration to non-Muslims.
mortimer says
Hassan Shibly feels it’s unjust for a cop to check him out when there are 3 deadly jihad attacks every day of the year. No other religion but Islam can BOAST that it inspires over 1,000 DEADLY ATTACKS every year, causing over 50,000 jihad related religiously-inspired attacks.
Hassan Shibly belongs to a death cult, a rape cult, an honor-killing cult, an extortion cult, a plunder cult, a censorship cult, a misogyny cult, a lie cult, a pedophilia cult, a sadomasochistic cult, an obsessive-compulsive cult, a supremacism cult, a Jew hatred cult, a Christianophobia cult, a male chauvinist cult, an inbreeding cult, an obscurantism cult, a superstition cult, a personality cult, a cruelty to animals cult, a group-think cult, a suicide cult.
Wow! 22 cults in one! There are in fact A LOT OF REASONS to pull a Muslim over to check him out.
Hassan Shibly already knows that.
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
The introductory paragraph of this article calls Ibrahim Hooper “the chief spokesman” of CAIR. This information seems out of date. If you look at the first page of https://www.cair.com/ and scroll down a bit, you will see five “IBRAHIM HOOPER Action Alerts”, but the most recent one is eight months old. Has CAIR fired Ibrahim Hooper? Can you find any sign of Ibrahim Hooper being alive in the last half-year? Ibrahim, what has happened to you?
Also, the “donation thermometer” on CAIR’s webpage used to have a goal of $1,000,000, but this has been reduced to only $350,000. Has CAIR fallen upon hard times? Maybe CAIR can commiserate with the Southern Poverty Law Center, which is similarly on a downward trajectory.
gravenimage says
And he hasn’t updated his Twiter feed since 2015.
gravenimage says
https://twitter.com/ibrahimhooper?lang=en
Lydia Church says
Alright. Why.
Because terrorists don’t want terrorists on the terrorist watch list.
Because.
That way they can commit more terror by not being detected and possibly deterred ahead of time.
Yup. It really is that simple.
But sssshhhh!
We are not supposed to know this!
Ren says
Muslims should be watched because of potential terrorism.
na says
you are 100000000000000000000000000000% right………………………………………………………………………………….. can not believe completely ,not all Muslims. proxies are the main issue.
Naildriver says
Muslims should be so inconvenienced just for being Muslims.
Currently a vast number of non Muslims turn up upon the list for various reasons, and that is what should be scrapped– we shouldn’t let the enemy turn us into a tyranny. Islam is the reason and the problem — it is also the enemy.
Currently the narrative is that ordinary Muslims are innocent and shouldn’t have to suffer. They, perhaps in a perfect universe, be exempt should they eschew violence and the hard wired directives in the Koran; and perhaps most Muslims are ignorant of them altogether; and what about the children and women!
Almost all the narratives involves this need to keep the innocent from harm — but the narrative needs to change.
‘Homeland’ the tv show would equate the actions of a US Vice President as deserving to be killed by a Islamic terrorist because he was responsible for targeting a madrassa with drones that killed ‘innocent’ children. This is propaganda the must be addressed and reversed.
The way the narrative should be viewed, as the Israeli’s correctly see it, as that the devotees are as hostage takers, and the consequences of collateral damage and the blame falls upon those who are criminal in devotion and ARE wrong in their belief in Islam — the evil doers! Islam.
Islam is the enemy, the source of incitement and its devotees the soldiers.
So, to try and divine a Muslim’s level or intention of Jihad is impossible and likely one very good reason for Islam’s success over the centuries. They always scream victimhood.
It is sad but there is no way to fight the jihadists without collateral damage or the consequential harm to the devoted Muslims many victims held ‘hostage’.
The numerous numbers of Muslims gives many politicians this exasperated sense of defeat before any resistance is considered. Certainly the policy of Obama and Hillary but most Americans are now seeing through the propaganda.
The consequences of Islamic domination are worse than any tyranny of the modern era; and we must expect hard choices to be necessary to stop this monstrosity, Islam, from its progress and the victory its thug devotees intend.
Troy Laarman says
Let’s get it right..in Islamic countries under Sharia Muslim woman are treated as second class citizens, while non Muslims are treated as third class citizens.
DogOnPorch says
Just another pro-terror Jihadi wanting to make his job easier.
NotALibNoMo says
We never hire muslims. It’s a safety issue, as sometimes (not all) they become splodeydopes.
We never patronize muslim businesses It’s a safety issue, as sometimes (not all) they become splodeydopes.
We don’t shop in places where they hire muslims, and explain to management that it’s a safety issue, as sometimes (not all) they become splodeydopes.
If we see a muslim, we watch a muslim. Typically, they don’t like it, but we get over it.
CAIR is a terrorist organization, and its members and officers are terrorists. They should be treated as such.
Giacomo Latta says
Muslim ploy number 2895722825: paralysis by analysis. Keep the courts busy to the point of being incapable of functioning with normal societal conflicts.