Let’s see. What has changed about France in the last few years that could account for this? Could it be the introduction of a massive population of people who believe that Christians are among “the most vile of created beings” (Qur’an 98:6)? Or would that be “Islamophobic” even to consider?
“Macron’s France: Average of Three Church Attacks Per Day,” by Chris Tomlinson, Breitbart, March 30, 2019 (thanks to Robert):
French churches are coming increasingly under attack with an average of nearly three churches per day targetted for vandalism alone over the past three years.
A report from the Central Criminal Intelligence Service (SCRC) of the gendarmerie noted that from 2016 to 2018 there had been thousands of cases of church vandalism, peaking in 2017 with 1,045 cases, Le Figaro reports.
According to the French Ministry of the Interior, when cemeteries and other sites are taken into consideration, the number of acts of vandalism rose to 1,063 in 2018.
Earlier this year, in one week alone France saw twelve churches vandalised, including attackers attempting to set fire to the church of Saint-Sulpice in Paris.
In Nimes, an even more heinous attack occurred, with vandals smearing faeces on the wall of the church of Notre-Dame des Enfants and stealing objects from the altar.
In March, the over 800-year-old Basilica of Saint-Denis in the now heavily migrant-populated suburbs of Paris was also vandalised, with the basilica’s organ being heavily damaged and stained glass windows were broken….
lebel says
“In March, the over 800-year-old Basilica of Saint-Denis in the now heavily migrant-populated suburbs of Paris was also vandalised,”
LOL, we’re not saying it’s the Muslims but, you know…..
mortimer says
St-Denis is where Charles Martel is buried … as you pretend not to know. You are pretending you do not know the Jihad Doctrine or Al Walaa wal Baraa Doctrine.
Tell us, lebel, “What is the right amount of hate for you to direct against the polluted, dirty KUFAAR, ‘for the sake of Allah’ ?? Or have you stopped practicing Islam?
How MUCH do YOU personally HATE kafirs?
lebel says
So what? do you think this is evidence of something?
The rest of your questions are typical catch 22 questions which inevitably end up in…”.taqqiya!” or in your case “Al Walaa wal Baraa!”
J D.S says
The HAMMER, Charles Martel’s bones are rattling in his grave.
gravenimage says
I see the appalling lebel is chuckling over church attacks. Just repulsive, but not surprising.
gravenimage says
I see that the appalling lebel is chuckling over church attacks. Appalling, but no surprise.
gravenimage says
Sorry for the near double posts. I was having posting problems at the time.
Donna says
France has been betrayed by Macron and is on its knees but you have a saviour…her name is Marine LePen and she has the insight, courage and patriotism to cease more migration, more control and bring back the rebellion it’s needs to hold your flag high and defend your freedom and your homeland.
Sing loudly and sing of your pride like they did in Les Miserable…??
Do you hear the people sing????
eduardo odraude says
lebel either hates Christians or at any rate couldn’t care less about their widespread documented persecution of Christians around the globe. He selectively ignores the endless global Muslim pogrom against Christians that has been reported in the news for years now. When is lebel going to start protesting blasphemy laws in Pakistan? Protesting hanging gays and imprisoning apostates and non-hijabbed women in Iran? The suppression of churches in Saudi Arabia and the execution of apostates there? The genocides in Sudan against Christians? No, it’s clearly much more important that lebel come here and be sarcastic because some people here exaggerate about Muslims. Yeah, that’s so much more important.
The World Watch list of persecution of Christians finds that 7 of the 10 worst countries for persecution of Christians are Muslim countries. Something like 15 of the worst 20 are Muslim. What a surprise! (sarc/). Does lebel really find it so difficult to believe that where you have large numbers of Muslims, Christian churches and Christians will start to be persecuted? Well, he at least pretends to. So much the worse for him. So he’s as much of an ignoramus (at best) as half the population. Or he’s someone who supports the destruction of non-Muslim populations.
lebel says
“lebel either hates Christians or at any rate couldn’t care less about their widespread documented persecution of Christians around the globe. He selectively ignores the endless global Muslim pogrom against Christians that has been reported in the news for years now. When is lebel going to start protesting blasphemy laws in Pakistan? ”
I am asking for evidence and I denounce the manipulation at jihadwatch like in the above article. I am sorry you cannot see that you are being manipulated while RS can always invoke plausible deniability.
I do not ignore the pogroms against Christians but what does it have to do with vandalism of churches in France? we cannot simply assume that the two are related, that makes no sense. There are also acts of vandalism against Mosques and Synagogues in France. Why don’t you do your own research instead of being led by the nose by RS. Finally, I am against the blasphemy laws in Pakistan but what good will it do to condemn those? I will simply be accused of Taqqiya or of whitewashing or whatever nonsense GI and her friends come up with.
Demsci says
You act like a defense lawyer, always in denial of presented evidence. You ignore all the articles when irrefutable evidence is given.
Robert, and GI, Wellington + a part of the JW-ers I myself see as part of the team of prosecutors.
I think it is no good for any of us here to contend that we are completely objective. I don’t pretend that, do you, lebel?
In the trial where the defendants are Islam and Muslims as well as Islam apologists in the news, due to their speech and actions.
Yes, here you will find blame (only). But in the outside world Islam is also and probably much more DEFENDED, PRAISED + SUPPORTED. First by Muslims themselves and then a lot by Leftists and other non-Muslims, up to and including the former president of the United States and the Pope!
Praise without blame is without balance, it gives an inaccurate picture to the interested part of mankind that can be seen as judge and jury. And many visitors of JW might well be of that category. And they do not live in a bubble, getting all their information only here. Many of us I think get information from both sides of the argument.
Islam and Muslims should also be compared to other religions and ideologies. For people to come to informed judgement. And for comparing you need both praise and blame. So why would you want to stop the blame?
Demsci says
Because you know, lebel, as much as you are critical of blame on Islam and Muslims, asking for evidence, we could point to all sorts of defense, praise, whitewashing for Islam and Muslims that is also done without evidence.
You only protesting the blame but not the praise simply means that you are one sided, with unbalanced judgement, just what you criticize us for.
Demsci says
Lebel, I daresay that to many of us JWers honest debate is very welcome.
Lebel, you should see debates, with Robert Spencer and David Wood, and Douglas Murray against Islam apologists, with a moderator and equal time. Each and every time the Islam critics make mincemeat of the Islam apologists! With textual and factual EVIDENCE and logic.
Demsci says
And what about Mortimer, he constantly showers us with facts and statistics! They can’t all be false! If nothing else, we are a very well informed bunch!
Demsci says
If our site, with its criticism of Islam, according to you has the burden of proof, then I think Islam also has the burden of proof, for its extraordinary claims.
If the negative sides and reports of Islam are doubted, then with as much right the positive sides and reports can be doubted. With the same standards for evidence.
You should live and die by the same standards as you demand from us!
Dawne says
What other group of people would systematically vandalise/defile churches like this? And yet it doesn’t make the mainstream media – unlike the mosques in Birmingham which had a few windows broken. No other religious group does things like this in Europe. In the UK we have a large Hindu and Sikh population – they are peaceful people. They do not behave like the Muslim immigrants do. This isn’t “Islamophobia”, it’s fact.
somehistory says
And this won’t end until islam is no more. That day is coming and coming soon.
There will come the destruction of the “wild beast” and its army of those who willingly receive the “mark of the wild beast,” those who use their hands and minds to support it and endorse it, and help it to reach its goal.
(Revelation chapters 13, 16,17, 18)
lebel says
How do you know that Muslims are responsible?
Kay says
Are you suggesting that all these crimes are unsolved?
The law enforcement must be seriously overworked!
lebel says
Yes, most of these are vandalism. People either stealing things or breaking things and leaving.
gravenimage says
What crap from lebel. There have been many church attacks where the Muslim perp is named.
Moreover, Muslims are attacking churches all over the world:
“Egypt: Enraged Muslim mob of 1,000 Attacks Church, Christians Lock Themselves Inside”
https://www.facebook.com/JihadWatch/posts/743271002531743
“Pakistan: Muslim mob attacks church, Christian homes after four Christians falsely accused of desecrating Qur’an”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/02/pakistan-muslim-mob-attacks-church-christian-homes-after-four-christians-falsely-accused-of-desecrating-quran
There are, grimly, thousands more such stories.
Would lebel have us believe that these attackers were not Muslim?
lebel says
No because here we have….
*drum roll*
EVIDENCE!!
How GI will understand this post:
Lebel: “It is high time for more attacks on churches! come on Muslims!
spiro says
how do we know its Muslim’s well maybe because there wasn’t this problem until they came to France in large numbers of course it could be Quakers you know how they are or Lutherans
or maybe because they brag about it and are directed to do this in their war manual they call Koran
gravenimage says
So true.
lebel says
There has always been vandalism of churches and other houses of worship. There are over 45000 churches in France. What the data noted was an increase (which includes any degradation such as graffiti etc) and RS ran with it.
Here’s a report on the matter indicating that in most cases such acts are caused by groups of young people under the influence of alcohol:
https://docplayer.fr/30145674-Rapport-du-groupe-d-etude-parlementaire.html
Of course no one on jihadwatch cares about evidence so the report must have converted to Islam and is using taqqiya
Lavéritétriomphera says
@lebel,
What are you trying to prove? Groups of young people from Muslim culture can also be under the influence of alcohol.
Donna says
Do you honestly know of ANY other culture that has an absolute hatred for Christians and their places of worship like Muslims do? Me either!!!!
This is the problem and why it’s so out of control. Too many naive sympathisers do not see this for what it is. It’s war…Islam vs the rest of the free civilised world! No other excuses or reasoning. It’s because they want to dominate and anyone who is not with them is against them! Simple.
They forget one thing.
They will loose in the end. It has already been written and their time is running out. Gods chosen will always be the victors. Tic tok
christianblood says
In the meantime, the Trump is transferring nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia and no one is talking about it! More below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ_3VhASrms
mortimer says
Meanwhile … the imperialist, supremacist, genocidist BloodthirstyPseudochristian worships a Russian imperial, supremacist dream … a fanatical fantasy drenched in blood and cruelty.
christianblood says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f35TUFmCtYY
gravenimage says
Firstly, note that christianblood says *nothing* critical about these church desecrations–despite his posing as a defender of Christians, this should not surprise given his appalling posting history.
Then Tulsi Gabbard–who just threw her hat into the ring as yet another Democratic candidate for 2020, is being dishonest. The US is talking about helping Saudi Arabia develop nuclear power, *not* nuclear weapons.
I think this is foolish, but it is not the same as giving Saudi Arabia nuclear weapons, as christianblood has been pretending for some time now. This is also not being hidden, as christianblood pretends.
This has been covered in the New York Times, the Washington Post, Reuters, and here is one of my own local papers, the East Bay Times:
https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2019/03/28/white-house-authorized-nuclear-deals-with-saudi-arabia/
More concerning stuff about Gabbard–she met with Bashar al-Assad, and did so with members of a shady Muslim group:
“The Organization That Sent Tulsi Gabbard to Syria”
https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2017/01/the-organization-that-sent-tulsi-gabbard-to-syria/514763/
This group also sponsored trips by far leftist Dennis Kucinich.
Georg says
We’ve just seen tangible results of a society which hates itself with Islamic gangs in Britain siphoning away from government coffers some $10.3 billion, $80 million of which went directly to Al Qaida, and some of that ending up at bin Laden’s Abbottabad compound.
Cultural marxism and its agents are a clear danger to us all.
Georg says
To put that amount in perspective, $10.3 billion dollars could build and maintain from 800-1000 F-35s.
Georg says
*80-100
BarbJ says
when will Europe wake up? Most importantly, when will America wake up ? It could happen here. Will our government protect us? Christianity is under siege.
Walter Sieruk says
Lets’s not have be naive empty hopes that those many incidents of Muslim vandalism ,if not outright jihadist deadly attacks in France against the pope’s churches will cause Pope Francis to wake up and become realistic about the violent nature of Islam and the Muslim violence that is the outcome of this religion.
The tragic reality is that pope Francis can not or will not see nor understand that Muslim violence and killing that is part of the essence of Islam.
Pope Francis will continue with his fantasy off a “peaceful coexistence between Christians and Muslims”. This unrealistic religious hope the pope has in which he thinks will, in time ,”bear fruit” which will be “good and wonderful fruit” will only ,with an alliance with Islam, be the fruits of deception and disaster.
KWJ says
The Pope is not clueless about Islam, he’s political. He is not like his predecessor. He just needs to decide if he wants to be culpable or not in destruction of many things and people. Maybe when they scale the walls of the Vatican he might think, “Yeah, this really sucks.” That’s their “outreach.”
eduardo odraude says
The Qur’an says that Christians and Jews are the “worst of creatures”, i.e., lower than pigs and dogs. Does every Muslim care about that or even know about that? No. But the Qur’an and Sunna’s teachings make it clear why there would be so much persecution of non-Muslims in Muslim lands.
Kirsch says
In Sydney Australia, in some suburbs there is a huge influx of young French people and couples, I asked one of them after work, why so many are immigrating, she nearly cried and said, France is no good for living anymore and it’s getting worse, dangerous for women and children, tears were welling in her eyes.
This is sad, if there is not a revolution at the voting booths to bring in huge changes there will be civil war. The yellow vests protesting about Macron’s regime is just the foothills of an Everest of a conflict.
Gene Easley says
The ‘normalization’ of jihad and looking at it as ‘normal’ is what is concerning and troubling to me it sort of reminds me of what I believe happened in Nazi Germany with the persecution of the Jews and other political dissidents and how the average American was relatively ignorant or apathetic when it came to what was really going on in Nazi Germany. It seems like today the average American just doesn’t care or is afraid to be labeled ‘Islamophobic’. Big Tech censorship really doesn’t help and is hindering those of us who want to get the word out– social media censorship is something I think Trump really needs to address and address it quickly. Desensitization, callousness is something that we have to fight against when viewing these atrocities and one way I fight against that is by getting the word out and talking about it often with whoever will listen.
lebel says
@Lavéritétriomphera
“What are you trying to prove? Groups of young people from Muslim culture can also be under the influence of alcohol.”
Yeah but then it’s not a radical Islam attack it’s a bunch of punks who may or may not be of Arabic or African origin. Even here, we have to wait for evidence before jumping to conclusions. If you are French you know that various people have been arrested for such acts in the past and they come from all types of backgrounds.
Ecosse1314 says
Lebel you would have far more credibility if you once or twice appeared on these threads to condemn many of the verified stories of Islamic terror. You know African massacres..
Middle east massacres.
Instead you wait for days to pounce on a story that there is an element of doubt. Though in reality..if it walks like a duck quacks like a duck then chances are it is a feckin duck.
lebel says
“Lebel you would have far more credibility if you once or twice appeared on these threads to condemn many of the verified stories of Islamic terror. You know African massacres..”
Ecosse1314, as I have said many times. Condemning on jihadwatch either gets you calls of taqqiya or insults. Thanks, I get enough already. I have done so in the past but rarely and I have to pick my spots to avoid the deluge of insults.
Lavéritétriomphera says
@lebel,
Enough of the smooth talk! People from Muslim culture can be, aggressive, alcoholic, crazy, punk and why not gothic … but bigot Muslims hate the cross, I experienced this myself.
Marbran says
Imagine if the lede read, “France: An average of three mosques are attacked every day.”
The media would declare that there was a war on Islam. We would get round the clock coverage. CNN would have teams of reporters camped out at all the major mosques.
It is time that the world woke up and respond to Islam with the only response Islam will recognize.
Ecosse1314 says
That is a very good point. With church going Christians on the decline and with Islamic immigration rocketing in France; surely there should be a similiar or proportional attacks on mosques.
If as Lebel claims these attacks are merely acts of shiftless drunken youths then mosques should also be under attack in equal measure.
lebel says
Good point, lets look at the data:
Older data 2008-2009:
Numbers went up:
40% for Christian sites (390 churches and cemeteries in 2009 against 275 in 2008),
75% for Jewish sites (66 synagogues and cemeteries vandalized in 2009 against 15 in 2008) and 25% for Muslim sites (18 mosques vandalized in 2009 against 14 in 2008).
source: https://www.france24.com/fr/20100913-hausse-vandalisme-lieux-culte-inquiete-les-autorites-ministere-interieur-synagogue-cimetiere-eglise-mosquee-france
2015
524 Churches
122 mosques
25 synagogues
https://www.senat.fr/questions/base/2016/qSEQ16010703G.html
2018
877 acts of vandalism against churches
Source: https://www.cnews.fr/videos/france/2019-03-29/les-eglises-victimes-dune-serie-dactes-de-vandalisme-825644
key point, there are 51000 churches in France and about 2500 mosques and 300 synagogues.
https://www.liberation.fr/france/2015/01/20/profanation-des-lieux-de-culte-ces-chiffres-qui-ne-veulent-pas-dire-grand-chose_1184515
Ecosse1314 says
So vast majority of attacks are against Churches whilst miniscule attacks against mosques. Now considering the Islamist attacks in France then the amounts of attacks on mosques should be far higher.
Obviously the drunken loafers prefer attacking churches
CogitoErgoSum says
Do we have any statistics on who the attackers are? That is, who is it that mainly attacks synagogues? Who is that mainly attacks churches? Who is that mainly attacks mosques? What reason did each attacker give for the attack and what role did the person’s religion (or lack of religion) play in causing the attack?
Lavéritétriomphera says
@lebel,
The majority readership of Libération is from the left, https://www.liberation.fr/france/2015/01/20/profanation-des-lieux-de-culte-ces-chiffres-qui-ne-veulent-pas-dire-grand-chose_1184515.
Mario Alexis Portella says
Very sad!
lebel says
@Ecosse1314
“So vast majority of attacks are against Churches whilst miniscule attacks against mosques”
Not proportionally, they’re about the same until 2018. Again, there are 51000 Churches against 2500 Mosques which means there are many more churches then mosques.
lebel says
@CogitoErgoSum
We have some ideas based on arrests. As I have said, those indicate that the culprit are drunken youths rather than radical islamists.
we know what the jihadists do, they go into a church to kill. This ain’t it.
lebel says
By the way, this did not make it on jihadwatch because, well, we know why.
“At least 950 attacks on Muslims reported in Germany in 2017: report”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-crime-islam/at-least-950-attacks-on-muslims-reported-in-germany-in-2017-report-idUSKCN1GE2V3
CogitoErgoSum says
Do we have any statistics concerning attacks upon churches, synagogues and mosques in Saudi Arabia which we can look at and compare?