In May 2018, the Chinese Ambassador to Pakistan, Yao Jing, gave a lengthy interview to a Pakistani paper defending the Chinese government’s treatment of the Muslim Uighurs. Among other claims, he insisted that the Chinese government has given full freedom to the Muslims and allowed them to observe fasting during Ramazan [Ramadan]. Muslims in China, he said, have full rights to practice Islam.
Here is the report on his defense of China’s policy (the substandard English in the newspaper article has been left throughout):
In an exclusive interview with ‘The News’ Chinese Ambassador Yao has said that western media is showing totally different picture that Muslims in China don’t have freedom to follow Islam whereas situation on ground is totally different.
He said in China everyone is free to follow his religion in China because law gives them full protection to practice religion no mater one [sic] is Muslim, Christian or follow any other religion. Chinese ambassador said there is no restriction by the government even for government employees. “Muslims are free to follow Islam like in Pakistan,” he added.
Ambassador told that Xinjiang is the Muslims majority region of China and they have around 24,400 mosques and many religious colleges in which number of Muslims are getting Islamic education. Not only this during Eids and traditional festivals, Muslims enjoy holidays here, which shows they are free to practice Islam in China.
Chinese ambassador further told that like other parts of the world a number of religious believers provide free ‘iftar’ to fasting people and the local governments help them to arrange religious activities go in order. [sic]
Every year number of Chinese Muslims performs Haj and Xinjiang government helps them to get medical treatment and other facilities,” Chinese ambassador told. Chinese Ambassador said that China is growing economy in the world and some unhealthy minds are not happy with its development that’s why western media is doing this propaganda that Muslims in China are not allowed to practice Islam.
Xinjiang province has distributed 43 Islamic publications in different languages of minority ethnic groups, totalling over one million copies, including over 230,000 copies of new Koran and over 29,000 copies of Basic Knowledge of Islam, both in the Uygur language. Thousands of books have been translated and published on Quran and Selections from Al-Sahih Muhammad Ibn-Ismail al-Bukhari in different languages, which are available in open market. Every year Xinjiang sent number of Chinese Muslims students to Pakistan, Egypt and other Muslim countries for further studies, and to improve their religious knowledge.
The famous definition of a diplomat as “someone who is sent abroad to lie for his country” fits perfectly here. Far from allowing Muslims to observe Ramadan without hindrance, the Chinese government has made it harder, or in some cases impossible, for the devout to do so. The government in 2017 passed laws requiring all restaurants to stay open during Ramadan. Further, it has forbidden teachers, civil servants, and all those working in the public sector from observing Ramadan, and if any are caught doing so, “they will be dealt with.”
As for the ambassador’s mention of the “new Qur’ans” distributed by the Chinese government, it should be noted that Muslims have been required to hand in their own Qur’ans to the government if those copies were published before 2012. The reason for this is that in 2012, the Chinese government prepared “new” Qur’ans, heavily censored, with the “meaning’’ of the verses that remained annotated by government experts so as to lessen their anti-Infidel message, and the commands to wage Jihad carefully “contextualized.” The only Qur’ans now legal in China are the versions published by the government.
The ambassador claims in his interview that Muslims in China are free to go on the hajj. He fails to note that Muslims in Xinjiang must request government permission to do so, and that they are asked to register their age, job, health, and economic status. Strict guidelines are put in place for applicants, who must be aged between 50 and 70 and have lived in Urumqi, the region’s capital, for at least five years. They are thoroughly investigated by the government for their political views; anyone who has displayed the slightest hint of being politically unreliable is denied permission to go on the hajj.
Furthermore, all those who apply to go on the hajj must also pledge allegiance to the leadership of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and to national unity (and therefore against Uighur independence).
Indeed, Muslims who travel abroad for any reason, not just for the hajj, upon their return are subject to particular scrutiny, especially if they have spent any time in Muslim countries. More than one million Uighurs have been placed in re-education centers, subject to anti-Muslim propaganda, and forced constantly to express their loyalty to the Communist Party, lest they have been exposed to “subversive” ideas about Islam, especially if they have traveled abroad and met with non-Chinese Muslims, or have been exposed to dangerous Islamic websites online.
As for other restrictions on Islam, in Xinjiang, imams have been subject to public humiliation by being forced to dance en masse in public, and at the same time, have been forced to make an oath to keep children away from religion, and as public servants, paid by the state, the imams were forced to brandish the slogan that “our income comes from the CKP, not from Allah.” Many of the imams were forced to wave Chinese flags during their ordeal. Speeches were made — it’s unclear from the reports if these were by Chinese government officials or by government-approved imams — in which young people were told both to stay away from mosques and that prayer, wherever it was said, was harmful to one’s health. Teachers throughout Xinjiang have been instructed to teach children to stay away from religion; retired teachers have been posted outside mosques during Ramadan to prevent students from entering.
Mosques have been required to push Communist propaganda, swapping inscriptions about Muhammad for red banners that declare, “Love the Party, Love the Country.”
Muslim men have been required to shave “abnormal” or “religious” beards. Punishment is strict; one man was sentenced to six years in jail for refusing to do so. Names given to children must not be “religious.” Twenty-nine names have been banned so far, such as Islam, Saddam, Mecca, Quran, Jihad, Medina; all are now strictly forbidden. Women may not wear any veils that cover the face; even women wearing only the hijab have been prevented in some parts of Xinjiang from using buses. Muslims are required to listen to the official state television (that carries anti-Muslim and pro-Communist propaganda), and cannot prevent their children from attending state schools, where anti-religion messages are strong.
Dogman1947 says
This is farcical
. China is hostile to all religions!
t. says
China should be thanked for that in a world full of cowards and hypocites who actively help Islam to conquer the world.
It looks like the aime of this article is to vilify China for doing that!
Hugh Fitzgerald says
You misunderstood. I was reporting, but I certainly did not intend to “vilify China.”
Jeff Gonez says
Hugh, you forgot to mention that China will survive, and the west will not, because of their policies regarding Islam. ‘Course, that’s opinion, not reporting!
Tony Wilson says
You did not intend to “vilify China.” I hope not, I say well done China, you must stand against Islam. When as Sri Lanka attacked Muslims?? The Muslims believe they are invincible and are a religion, not a race, which loves death. You do not pat a rabid dog, we in the west do! Our death toll is the result of the ‘rabies’ we have received from toying, patting and mollycoddling the rabid animal Islam
I say go China go!
christianblood says
t posted
(…China should be thanked for that in a world full of cowards and hypocites who actively help Islam to conquer the world. It looks like the aime of this article is to vilify China for doing that!…)
Well-said, t!
You wonder if “Jihadwatch” is now defending the jihadists in Xinjiang and elsewhere? One could read the same article in the NYT or in Wapo etc! Deep State propaganda detected!
Saroe Edwan says
Ok! Thank you China.
christianblood says
Saroe Edwan
+1
gravenimage says
christianblood is so full of crap in saying that Jihad Watch is defending Jihad.
This is especially grotesque from someone who has defended Jihad and Shari’ah in Iran and Chechnya, and who constantly screams “God bless Hezb’allah!”.
t. says
China should be thanked for doing that in a world full of cowards and hypocrites who actively help Islam to conquer the world.
It looks like the goal of this article is to vilify China for accurately sizing up and dealing with the threat of Islam.
gravenimage says
Why is t. spamming this claptrap here?
t. says
I posted the comment, waited and it didn’t show up. I posted it again from memory and bam, the two comments appeared at once.
gravenimage says
OK…
christianblood says
t
The pro-jihadist neocon “Deep Staters” will vilify anyone that dares to stand up to their Islamo-fascist proxies! The US and Western neocon globalists wish to see China brought to its knees by their jihadist proxies in Xinjiang province of China! Just like they encouraged and supported the jihadists in Chechnya
while demonizing Russia for annihilating them they would now do the same to Chinese for defending itself against Islamic jihadists in Xinjiang!
As we speak, the satanic, degenerate, pro-Islamist, anti-Christ, neocon globalists that run the US and the West are transferring their Al-Qaeda and ISIS proxies from Syria to the Donbass region of Ukraine to start a new jihadist front against Russian-speaking Christians in Eastern Ukraine. More of this below:
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/447536-isis-chechen-islamists-ukraine/
gravenimage says
Well, this is absurd–no, Jihad Watch is not pro-Jihad as christianblood is trying to pretend.
And christianblood *himself* has lauded the horrors of Shari’ah in Chechnya–including forced veilings, murdering gays and “Honor Killings”. He has even condoned the persecution of Christians there.
It is *Russia* that has allowed this to happen in Chechnya, not the US as he pretends.
Nancy says
I didn’t see the article as vilifying China.. I say good on China and so sad for the West .. We should be doing the same thing.. But remember China does the same to Christians don’t they ?? One day we will all know Jesus and that He is our King..
David M says
China is hostile to every other country on Earth at some level, they only care about themselves. I’m tired of the Russian crap I hear from the US media, the only threat on every level is the Chinese. The left want to bring the Chinese social score tyranny into western countries soon too.
CRUSADER says
I’m sorry, when I first read your paragraph I though you wrote:
“The left want to bring the Chinese social score tranny into western countries soon….”
christianblood says
David M & Australian Citizen
U$A a Mafia state! By Jimmy Dore! Must-Watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Skyw2TH29s
gravenimage says
I see that christianblood is posting this thing from a 9/11 “Truther” again.
christianblood says
David M
The only country that is indeed a real threat is neither China, nor Russia or Iran but the U$A! The U$A has invaded and bombed countless countries and killed many millions that any other country since 1945! Prove me wrong!
Show a country that China or Iran have invaded and bombed! U$A is INDEED
A VERY DANGEROUS THREAT TO THE WORLD PEACE!
See the fact-sheet below:
PS: (Some of the countries invaded and bombed by the U$ in recent years like Syria are missing in the fact-sheet below)
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/US/Bombing_campaigns_since_1945
Kilauea says
Mao may not have invaded China, but he managed to kill 50 million during and after his war with Chang Kai-shek. The United States fights wars today to make the power brokers richer. Their greed is insatiable.
Australian Citizen says
Countries that China has invaded:
Since the proclamation of the People’s Republic of China in 1949, China invaded
Tibet in 1950,
Korea 1950-1953
Taiwan in 1954
Burma in 1960
India in 1962
India in 1967
South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia by Proxy 1965-69
Vietnam in 1979-1991 or so
All of these conflicts will have living veterans who can tell you about it.
In particular, today is Anzac Day in Australia, a part of which is the commemoration of Australians who served and died in Korea and Vietnam.
Demsci says
CB, A long list! Dividing point 1991. Before that and after WWII there was a Cold War going on. The other superpower was very aggressive, had an inspiring ideology, therefore many allies and they were even more ruthless than the USA. A USA that basically tried to counter Communistic power and perhaps bandits. And in favor of world trade, because Un-policed trade WILL be (and has always been) attacked by states or bandits who can get away with it. So the police roll of USA is good!
Furthermore, where 2 fight 2 are to blame. And often one side more than the other. It simply is no good of you to pretend that the opponents in all those wars of the bombings you mentioned were innocent. Innocent were the civilians, but the opposite leaders were often the aggressors, the oppressors, provocateurs.
And you are guilty of double standards by blaming only the one side; America. And of selection bias, by disproportionately giving critical attention to America.
And you are guilty of the discrimination of lower expectation, The opponents of America, they were not apes, they were also humans to be held accountable.
But during the Cold War, yes, we must concede that USA had some pretty nasty friends whom they helped. It is just that the other side was seldom better.
After 1991, the pattern changes. And new more divers, but mostly Islamic opponents emerge. And now America invariably fights with dictatorial regimes, which are also NOT APES, but responsible humans, who invariably provoked America.
As in pulling the sleeping tiger’s tail. Or pestering the cubs of a she-bear.
As America after 1991 never intended to conquer lands and often with much global support and after much debate did RESPOND militarily. Keep in mind that only VERY seldom 2 democracies fight each other. Whereas dictatorial countries have fought each other all the time in history.
And what misses in your prejudiced view is the 180 plus nations that America did not war against, and in contrast, had friendly, peaceful and mutually beneficial relations with. What misses is that Germany and Japan, fought and occupied by America turned out to be pretty good states.
Demsci says
And take Europe or for that matter Eurasia. BEFORE 1945. And since the beginning of civilization. It has been shown that everywhere in Eurasia bloody war, and much murder, was the norm, rather than the exception.
It is certainly thanks to the American Shield that Western Europe, since 1945, is virtually without wars. Thus for a period of 74 years and counting. And although it is different in the rest of Eurasia, even there war definitely is getting ever less frequent and less lethal.
so often people know their recent history very well but fail to appreciate the improvement since older history. And America as police agent of the world did help, not hinder!
I got my information from, among others, Steven Pinker, in “The angels of our better nature”.
christianblood says
Demsci
If America is spreading ‘democracy’ why not spread it in Saudi Arabia where there were 37 public beheadings and crucifixions on this past Monday alone???
No, check all the countries that US invaded and bombed, all are small countries that were not able to fully defend themselves. U$A is indeed a great threat to the world as it spreads chaos, mayhem, degeneracy, bloodshed and islamic jihadism around the globe! The US bully must be stopped before its too late!
Demsci says
They did not bomb Kuwait to invade it but to liberate it from Saddam. To this day the Iraqi Shiites are in power thanks to the US fighting an bombing Saddams forces.
The Kurds may also have a difference of opinion with you,
Oh, I take you think that mankind lived in the Garden of Eden before WWII where there was no chaos, mayhem, bloodshed???
I do concede that America needed Saudi Arabia for the oil and acted rather immoral and cynical towards it.
But examine what you just said: Why not spread democracy in Saudi Arabia? Well, if they did, like they tried in Iraq, what would be your reaction?! Aggressive America bombs a defenseless country AGAIN!
That’;s your problem, CB, America is damned by you if they do and damned if they don;’t.
You don;t have a set of standards that you uphold, you only have a big scapegoat, America, that you criticize no matter what they do or don’t do!
Look, I admit to be prejudiced, but I do see the value of trying to have same standards for all. But you, you are unbelievably prejudiced. But you should remember that 2 can play your game and we can hold you and all your favorite countries to the same impossible standards you hold America to.
christianblood says
Demsci
America is a big, evil bully which must be stopped before its too late!
America invaded countless small countries, bombed and invaded others and killed millions of innocent people in the process!
We just commemorated the 20th anniversary of the US-led Nato’s bombing of Serbia in support of KLA jihadists in Kosovo where America and its Nato puppets killed thousands of Christian Serbs while supporting Kosovar jihadists!
In Venezuela because of its oil reserves America started a coup against the legitimate leader there and elected its own puppet as a president of that country and may even invade to do regime-change and install its puppets to steal the oil of Venezuela. This will only lead to bloodshed
and destruction and American will not succeed!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRW30Dy1IjE
Raja says
Demsci is right in his analysis of world history. We have had far less wars thanks to USA. But to tinker with Islamic warlords etc is definitely evil.
CB is hardly sticking to truth nor is he honest in his statements.
What is the difference between invading and land grab?
Almost all neighboring nations of China are nervous about her war designs, land grab, sea disputes, Island disputes and so on. Does CB know if China gobbled up a nation called Tibet? Ho w much land has India lost to China?
CB should quit playing politics for Iran, whose terrorists hands reached up to another hemisphere (more than 10,000 KMS)
A dissident of Iran regime was knifed to death in France by the secret police of Iran. His body was discovered after several days, reason? he was butchered with kitchen knife.
gravenimage says
christianblood has done this before–condemned America for defeating Fascism and saving South Korea from Communism, while lauding Russia for its persecution of countries behind the Iron Curtain, and applauding the horror of North Korea. *Ugh*.
Frederick King says
China is doing what mustbe done.
christianblood says
Frederick King
+1
Well-said!
Emilie Green says
“Mosques [Islam] have been required to push Communist propaganda”
An Alien v. Predator variant.
CRUSADER says
Perfect blending of Green and Red in an Axis?
gravenimage says
Spot on, Emilie.
mortimer says
“FULL FREEDOM” Chinese-communist-style? Huh? That means barely any freedom at all. Even the Chinese Politburo hasn’t ‘full freedom’ though they have more freedom than 99.9% of other Chinese citizen.
Make us laugh, Mr. Yao Jing! Tell us another one! How do you say those things with such a straight face?
CRUSADER says
However, I like this banning of certain words concept….
Just a few words could disappear from our lexicon in the West, particularly these:
“mecca” (use Rome or crossroads or Constantinople instead of referring to a “mecca”…
….even the word bizarre is a bit better than promoting a place where a moon-god is worshipped by automatons.)
and
“ottoman” (use Byzantium for that piece of furniture which becomes a footstool of sorts…
or on second thought, maybe use the term “mecca” for a footstool, showing our distaste for
that sh*thole-y place — and using it as a footstool, as it says about using enemies as footstools
in the Old Testament, now makes sense.)
hmmmm…..
No Muzzies Here says
China says you can practice Islam, except for the parts about killing infidels, raping women, and hating Jews and Christians.
CRUSADER says
So…then…parts of what Ayaan Hirsi Ali recommends could work —
Cut out (since Muslims are used to performing FMG, they can easily do this)
the Medina verses and leave the Mecca verses of the Koran for followers to follow.
mneidoff says
China is working too hard, just outlaw the damn cult
christianblood says
mneidoff
Well-said! Now even ‘jihadwatch’ is criticizing China for defending itself against Islamo-fascists in its borders! Jihadwatch is sounding more and more like pro-Islamist MSM!
gravenimage says
christianblood continues to lie about Jihad Watch–likely because it does not laud Iran, Chechnya, and Hizb’allah and hate the West and Israel and want to see them destroyed by Islam as he does.
Reziac says
I never expected to find something admirable about Red China…
christianblood says
Reziac
Stability, Order, Unity, Strength, Discipline, Respect for its leadership and more are all admirable qualities that China has! Look at the USA government full of chaos, disrespect, disunity, anarchy, disarray, discord and infighting! Even US president Trump could NOT fulfill his temporary order to stop immigration from a number of islamic countries! Something like that would NEVER happen in China or In Russia!
gravenimage says
I have told christianblood many times that Trump’s “Muslim ban” was indeed upheld by the Supreme Court and that Muslim immigration here is now down 90%.
Meanwhile, Muslims continue to flood into Russia proper, and christianblood has actually applauded this. Putin just recently open opened the largest Mosque in Europe in Moscow, alongside Abbas and Erdogan.
And he has, before, said that freedom should be crushed because it is “disrespectful”.
CRUSADER says
In Muslim dominated territories, Falun Gong is prohibited, as it counters the Islamic principle of TAWHID (Oneness of God)….
Muslims are so vulnerable as the snowflakes they are (even though in their case ALL and EACH snowflake is exactly the same as another) — that Muslims have to ensure isolation from such belief systems which their delicate little ears cannot handle to hear….
Might be good to get Rick Ross to
DE-PROGRAM Muslims from their
Islamic Cult…
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Rick Ross, American cult expert made comments to warn that cult Falun Gong contradicts with Islam and Koran.
Rick Ross commented that:
Falun Gong is a controversial religious organization led by Li Hongzhi, a man exiled from China who now lives in the United States. Falun Gong is based upon the supernatural claims of Li Hongzhi, which include that he is a channel for spiritual revelation with no equal in the world today. Li claims there are many gods and his philosophy is not compatible with the beliefs of Islam, which is monotheistic.
When people are approached by Falun Gong devotees they may be misled to believe that Falun Gong is not a religious belief system, but rather just a set of exercises or form of meditation. However. the group, which has been called a “cult,” is based upon the faith claims of its practioners who are deeply devoted to their leader “Master Li.”
Before becoming involved in Falun Gong it’s important to fully understand to what extent it is based upon absolute devotion to Master Li and his dictates.
And when an Muslim commented that sometimes keeping fit does challenges his religious belief system, he pointed out that:
If you are Muslim it’s easy to understand how Master Li’s teachings would directly contradict your religious belief system and be confusing.
Li casts himself as a prophet who channels supernatural powers, which is the key to the healing power of Falun Gong. Li’s prophetic position as a channel between Falun Gong practitioners and higer powers is in direct contradiction to the Koran and beliefs of Muslims.
Of course Falun Gong practitioners will not admit this openly to potential recruits because it would cause them to hesitate. Falun Gong thus relies on a level of deliberate deception by withholding such information until later after the new recruit is sufficiently indoctrinated.
No Muslim would ever withhold such crucial information about Islam. That is, that Islam is based upon the revelation of the Prophet Muhammed. And that his revelation is the basis for the Koran, which proclaims there is only one god.
The book ‘Zhuan Falun’ is a religious writing based upon the revelation of Li Hongzhi, who is the prophet of Falun Gong. Li teaches that there are many gods not just one like Islam.
Can a Muslim embrace two opposing belief systems simulaneously?
The Prophet Muhammed teaches there is one God and Master Li says that the Koran is wrong and that there are many gods.
Is Master Li wrong about this?
Falun Gong’s defining element is its leader Master Li who claims to have supernatural powers. My source is the Washington Post, which quotes first hand what true believers in Master Li that have met him personally face to face have to say about him.
Do you deny that Master Li teaches Falun Gong practitioners that there are many gods, not just one as in Islam as Muslims believe?
Li’s teachings are not compatable with Islam or the Koran.
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GOOD TO KNOW ABOUT SUCH THINGS….
Astonishing what humans will fill their minds with!!!!!
Can somebody mention: “CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS” ???
donynam says
We should thank PRC for forcing Muslim get rid of Islam and jihad. It is true that China oppose all form of religious. However, if the outcome is good, we shouldn’t oppose PRC internal policy. General human rights cannot apply to any Muslim because Islam teach them to reject general human rights.
gravenimage says
China has been very inconsistent when it comes to Islam–they have also appeased Muslims, exempting them from the “One Child Policy” and allowing them to carry knives when Han Chinese were prohibited from doing so.
christianblood says
gravenimage
The Chinese are quick learners, now they want to change all that and really deal with Islamist jihadists among them. But the West will try everything to prevent the Chinese from doing that and you see even ‘jihadwach’ criticizing the Chinese for taking strict measures against Islamists!
gravenimage says
Good lord…why doesn’t christianblood just admit that he hates Jihad Watch?
Soren Kuula says
Perverting the perverted. I have no problem with that.
jarmanray says
Personally, I feel that there is a larger picture being displayed. Mr. Fitzgerald’s comment about an ambassador’s job is to lie or as most would say, shine a good light on his own country and try to make bonds with the host nation but this ambassador has gone above and beyond the call of duty. The article highlights the fact that China’s leaders have no problem lying to the governments and people of every other nation in the world and the US in particular.
As has been noted in the news, especially concerning Mrs. Clinton entering China with her Blackberry, the Chinese monitor every call made and they also hack into everyone’s mobile. All State Department employees are required to remove the battery from any mobile device when traveling to China and most employees simply don’t carry one. The Russians are minor league compared to the Chinese when it involves cyber espionage.
I don’t know if Chinese who work in their embassies and consulates around the world are also treated like prisoners but in Canberra, Australia and Abuja, Nigeria, it was common knowledge that the Chinese employed at their embassy were not permitted to leave their compound without a security escort. The escort was not for their safety either. I seemed as if the government did not trust their staff to return if they went shopping or for an outing out in the evening.
CRUSADER says
What was it Machiavelli said about diplomacy?
Reziac says
I don’t remember, but I am reminded of this old tagline:
Diplomacy: the art of saying “Good doggie!” until you can find a rock.
Kepha says
The Chinese Communist regime not only represses violent Muslims in Xinjiang, but also Christians in Zhejiang, Henan, Hebei, Beijing, Guangdong, Fujian, and the Dongbei as well. They even got nervous when a few old foreign Commies in Beijing went Frum in their old age and started attending seders at the Israeli embassy, and when descendants of the old Kaifeng community started researching their Jewish roots. Do not forget that at present, Xi Jinping has been making himself paramount leader for life, and is seeking to bring back the Stalinist-Maoist roots of his regime.
I have no sympathy fr the Chinese Communist regime. It was vicious and destructive of much in China from the get-go, and not just Islam. Had the Chinese Civil War ended with Mao fleeing into Siberia to explain his failure to ‘Uncle Stalin”, China’s take-off would’ve happened much earlier.
Peter WF says
Search “world map average IQ” and you will find China and Japan at the top.
What are the countries that take the fewest or no muslim “refugees”? Yes – China and Japan are on the list..
They are not stupid.
Then search “world map muslims” and “world map marry first cousins”. Leave it to you to put 2 and 2 together.
b.a. freeman says
it is truly horrible that the CCP is mistreating chinese citizens of *any* ethnicity or religion, but i’m willing to bet that in 100 years, islam will be a footnote there, while most of the rest of the world will either be either islamic or communist. and if U think that the conquest of the rest of the world will be accomplished peacefully, i have a bridge in NYC to sell to U.
the lamps of freedom are going out around the world; western nations, which used to be the home of of freedom, have abandoned God, and the subsequent lack of judeo-christian morality is re-introducing their citizens to the uncivil, brutal pre-christian world. it’s going to be a wild ride, if not the very *last* ride. and either way, i don’t think that civilization will survive. sadly, because many records are now electronic, once the serf world becomes a reality and persists for a few centuries (at *least*), should freedom ever be grasped by anybody once again, they will never understand how our civilization fell, and fell so fast.
Chand says
The Chinese way is the best one to deal with Islam and the potential dangers of Jihad. Their ‘new Koran’ with the problematic parts edited out should be distributed far and wide. Chinese Muslims will be the greatest benefactors.
But this policy needs a totalitarian state to implement. China, following atheist Marxism as official policy can do so unlike liberal democracies which are tied up by the problem of having to pass laws in their elected bodies of govt with all their competing and warring political parties. Unfortunately the Western democracies had made Marxism their main enemy in the recent past and had also inadvertently aided Islamism as a tool to oppose Marxism.
I wish all success to China.
I wish to see the end of all organized religions for a better future for mankind.
Chand says
sorry typo………I meant “…………the Chinese Muslims will be the greatest beneficiaries.”
gravenimage says
Chand has said before that he wants to see all faiths crushed–no matter how peaceful.
Demsci says
China is a nation of over 1,3 billion people and the Uygurs number maybe 12 million. And most of the rest of the world keeps mum about this very thorough oppression.
China is doing the undemocratic oppressive policy. Just as in Iran so many communists were shot after the revolution.
But for some of us it is like (a part of) Muslims now get a taste of their own medicine.
And if Muslims were consistent and would contrast the Chinese behavior with American behavior then surely they should consider the Chinese worse than the Americans.
But perhaps that (part of) Muslims do fear Western Democratic freedom and values more as a threat to Islam than dictatorial communist Chinese.
And sure enough there is NOT a stream of Islamic refugees fleeing toward China. But there is on toward the Western Democracies.
I consider that compliments for the west.
Demsci says
At least the Chinese do juxtapose one ideology against another one; they are PRO Communism and therefore CONTRA Islam, as an obstacle for that. They want their people to be free FROM Islam and so free TO be communist. An apostate of Islam can become a communist as replacement. And in a way the Chinese may view a Muslim as an infidels and an apostate of Communism. They want people with identity Muslim to be people with identity Communist. They turn the tables on Islamic narrative.
But in the Democratic West freedom FROM is paramount. And the vast majority of Western citizens and parties and governments may want to be free FROM Islam and Communism but my question is: then what?
What are we free TO think and do. The answer of many is free TO be Christian. My answer is being free TO be in favor of a comprehensive democratic enlightenment ideology. To have that identity. To call Muslims infidels to that identity. Or if they convert from that ideology into Islam as apostates from that ideology.
But I do not see big movements to formulate and promote that nowadays.
Demsci says
Well, we could examine how Islam itself became so prominent, in 56 countries. How Muslims operated when they had power over Christian, Jewish and Hindu subjects. Let’s see, Robert, Hugh and Mortimer can tell us this very well, but what I know is:
– there was constant propaganda for Islam and censorship for Christendom/ Judaism/ Hinduism etc. (no new churches were allowed).
– there was Jizya; tax based on NOT being Muslim (that is a good idea for the Chinese; tax on Muslims for NOT being Communist).
– it was better for your career to be Muslim than to be Christian. Oh yea, Christians/ Jews had to make way for Muslims, could not have bigger horses or some such law.
– and oh yes, it was forbidden for a non-Muslim male to marry a Muslima, but it was Ok for a Muslim to marry a non-Muslim woman, and the conversion was of course from male to female.
Do the Chinese already stimulate mixed marriages?
– every now and then girls were abducted and forcibly converted if the present stories from Pakistan and Egypt are anything to go by.
– and more like that to let Islam expand by foul, immoral means.
That is why we now secretly think; The Muslims get a taste of their own medicine.
Demsci says
PS. And I do not doubt, that Gravenimage, Wellington, Somehistory, Crusader and quite a few other JW-ers could tell this as well or better.
gravenimage says
Good posts, Demsci.