Glenn K. Beaton delivers himself of some thoughts on terror and Islam in his article “In An Age of Terror, What Is The Responsibility of Islam,” to be found here.
I remember September 11, 2001. Terrorists hijacked civilian airlines and flew them into the two World Trade towers and the Pentagon. A fourth plane crashed into a Pennsylvania field after the hijacked passengers heroically overcame their captors.
Late in the day, our phone rang. It was a friend informing us that four of the passengers on the plane flown into the Pentagon were a couple with whom we were friends and their two young daughters.
At that point, I sat on the stairs, buried my head in my hands, and wept — for my friends and for the other 2,992 dead.
So much has happened since. Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Boston Marathon massacre. Videos showing men beheaded and women burned alive in cages. Terror in Paris, again and again. It’s horrific savagery committed in the name of Islam.
So are all Muslims terrorists? No.
There are approximately 1.8 billion Muslims in the world — about a quarter of the world population. Even if a million are terrorists (and I’m certain the real number is far fewer), that’s less than one-tenth of 1%.
No one knows how many Muslims there are in the world. Figures offered range from 1 billion to 1.8 billion. Census taking in many Muslim countries is still primitive; in some parts of the Muslim world it is nonexistent. Who knows how many people are being counted as Muslims who have apostatized, but prudently kept it to themselves? Twenty-five percent of Muslims in America are reported to no longer be Believers; are they still being counted, or do they count themselves, for safety’s sake, as Muslims? In reporting the highest current figure for the world’s Muslim population — 1.8 billion — as fact, Beaton is following the example of the triumphalists, who next year will self-confidently tell us there are 2 billion Muslims, or 2.2, or 2.4 billion. They pull these figures from the air. Also not known is how many of the world’s Muslims, if not actual terrorists, are supporters of terrorism, who simply haven’t yet had the chance to take part. How many such people exist? Do you think Beaton is correct when he claims that “less than one-tenth of 1% of the world’s Muslims are terrorists”? Perhaps we need to know another, more significant figure: how many of the world’s Muslims support the use of terror as a weapon? One in four British Muslims support the terror attacks of 7//7/2005 in London. In a Pew Research study on attitudes toward bin Laden, at least 1 in 4 respondents in six Muslim-majority countries had some confidence in him: 24% in Jordan, in Pakistan 38%, in Nigeria 61%.
As to suicide bombings and other violence against civilians, about 28% of Muslims surveyed in 2013 said these attacks are sometimes justified. 46% of Muslims in Bangladesh believe attacks are somewhat or often justified, with 28% in Malaysia, 15% in Iraq, 44% in Jordan, 57% in Egypt, 57% in Afghanistan, and 55% in the Palestinian territories justifying suicide bombings.
Polls taken by Saudi-owned Al Arabiya and Gallup suggested moderate support for the September 11 terrorist attacks within the Arab world, with 36% of Arabs polled by Al Arabiya saying the 9/11 attacks were morally justified. Those are the figures that we should be looking at, rather than the “one-tenth of 1% of Muslims” whom Beaton claims may, at the outside, take part in terrorism.
So is it fair to blame 9/11 on all Muslims? No.
The vast majority of Muslims had nothing whatever to do with 9/11, and were as appalled by it as I was. In fact, a large percentage of today’s Muslims had not even been born on 9/11. Blaming today’s Muslims for 9/11 is like blaming today’s Germans for the Holocaust.
Yes, we understand that the “vast majority” of Muslims did not take part in 9/11 attacks. Not only is it “not fair” to “blame 9/11 on all Muslims,” but no one has done so. Beaton is making up a wild charge, in order to demolish it. However, a disturbing number of Muslims approved of 9/11. As noted just above, 36% of Arabs declared to Arab opinion-poll researchers that 9/11 was morally justified. We don’t blame “today’s Germans” for the Holocaust, but we have a perfect right to be outraged at those among them who minimize or deny or even justify the Holocaust. We are not blaming “today’s Muslims for 9/11,” but we can “blame” those who, whenever they were born, believe that attack to have been morally justified.
One wonders how, incidentally, Mr. Beaton knows that the “vast majority of Muslims…were as appalled” as he was. Even among those Muslims who when polled said they did not think the 9/11 attacks were “morally justified,” there were many who said they “understood” the motivations of the attackers; they were clearly not appalled.
I posted my sentiments about this on Facebook a few weeks ago, and received over 800 comments. Many people disagreed with me. A few expressed raw bigotry, and I was forced to unfriend them. But many others were worth considering.
One would like to have been provided examples of the “raw bigotry” to which Beaton refers. Does he think those who call into question — who criticize — Qur’anic verses and stories in the hadith are guilty of “raw bigotry”? What of those who claim that the command to wage jihad is central to Islam, and they adduce 1,400 years of Jihad as evidence — is that “raw bigotry”?
One point they made is that a disproportionate number of modern terror attacks are by Muslims acting in the name of Islam. That’s true. But it doesn’t take a logician to recognize that this point alone doesn’t go far toward indicting Islam. It’s like saying that because nearly all acts of terror are committed by men, nearly all men are terrorists.
Glenn Beaton’s logic fails here. Islamocritics do maintain, and offer a great deal of evidence, that most terror attacks today are by Muslims acting in the the name of Islam. Beaton does not disagree (“That’s true”). But then he claims this does not “go far toward indicting Islam.” Really? If we look into Islamic texts, we find 109 Qur’anic verses that command Believers to engage in violent warfare against Unbelievers. Do these commands, and among them those that particularly stress the need to “strike terror” in the hearts of Infidels, not constitute a valid indictment of Islam? Has Beaton never read them, or has he read but dismissed them, because they do not fit what he wants to believe about Islam?
Beaton then engages in a mendacious sleight of word: just “because nearly all acts of terror are committed by men,” he says, it would be wrong to claim that “nearly all men are terrorists.” Of course. But who, aside from Beaton, makes that illogical leap? Only Beaton’s straw man would claim, by the same illogic, that “nearly all acts of terror are committed by Muslims” so “nearly all Muslims are terrorists.” The correct version would be this: “nearly all acts of terror are now being committed by Muslims,” so “let us unflinchingly investigate the Islamic texts to see if they help explain that fact.”
Michael Copeland says
Can Beaton identify what it is that Islamic terrorists have done that goes counter to Islam?
Terry Gain says
All Muslims are adherents of an ideology that mandates warfare against infidels until the whole world is Islamic.
It doesn’t matter how many Muslims are actively promoting an ideology that has no place in a civilized world. Civilized people demand peaceful resolution of differences.
Saying only a few Muslims are terrorists is like saying “there’s only one turd per gallon of ice cream”. One is too many. And there is no way of determining whether a Muslim is one of the supposedly few until it is too late.
James Lincoln says
Excellent post, Terry – outside of the fact that I was just on my way to the freezer to fix myself a bowl of vanilla…
Terry Gain says
🙂
Will says
Agree with James Lincoln, Let’s face it, Islam is like a global KKK.
gravenimage says
Good post.
Warrenraymond99@gmail.com says
Beaton is another useful idiot who minimises the threat because he refuses to understand the ideology. No Moslem is exempt from waging jihad, the command to ‘kill and be killed until the world is islamic’ is as valid today as it was in the 7th century.
CRUSADER says
The SKITTLES analogy, in effect.
BlueYonder says
That’s easy: Islam is The Religion of Peace.
Repeat the mantra five times a day (even in Aspen) and you too will believe. You want to believe.
John Brown says
Are there any examples of Muslim people helping to find and prosecute Muslims that have attacked Americans? Are there any examples of Muslim people taking up arms to stop violent Muslims?
Chand says
Kurdish and Arab militias fighting IS in Syria and Iraq are Muslims.
Pakistani soldiers fighting the Pakistani Taliban are Muslims.
Egyptian soldiers fighting IS in the Sinai are Muslims.
These three came to mind. There are many other examples.
gravenimage says
Certainly, there are Muslims who fight Muslim terrorists who are attacking them personally.
Finding Muslims who actually oppose their Jihadist coreligionists are much harder to find, as the Islamophilic Chand knows full well.
gravenimage says
That is, it is much harder to find Muslims who actually oppose their Jihadist coreligionists attacking unbelievers.
CRUSADER says
Irshad Manji is a Muslim who opposes Jihad but supports Ijtihad.
Does that count as one?
Anjuli Pandavar says
Crusader, “Irshad Manji is a Muslim who opposes Jihad but supports Ijtihad. Does that count as one?
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No, it doesn’t. Irshad Manji is a Muslim who opposes Jihad but supports the Qur’an …*at the same time*. How that amounts to opposing jihad isn’t clear? Perhaps you can explain that. One way she tries is by claiming that the Qur’an is not divine, but “divinely inspired”, apparently unaware that she had just apostatised right there. In another feat of disingenuity, she promotes the exciting Interpretation Game, yes sirree. As many Qur’ans as there are Muslims. Just interpret it any way you like and we’ll all debate the merits and demerits of our various interpretations in the public square. Have you checked how many jihadis are rushing to engage her in heated debate? But the top spot must go to this: she would have us believe the Qur’an does *not* offer jihadis virgins, but raisins! This error, she explained, arose out of a mistranslation — a *mistranslation*. Apparently, Arabic-speaking jihadis need a translation of the Qur’an in order to read it, and apparently, Muhammad’s men, who threw themselves so eagerly into jihad on the strength of his celestial virgin promises, were misled by their translators! If only the “companions” could speak Arabic, imagine how different the world might’ve been!!
So no, that doesn’t count as one.
Jesse Nieto says
So one sect.of an ideology, fights another sect. of the same ideology to gain the upper hand, and we the infidel, get blown up by the sect we helped…..great thinking
Buraq says
Maybe the ‘conflicted’ Mr Beaton could spare a few minutes to read an excerpt from one of the many commentaries (tafsiri) written by devout, Arabic speaking Muslims over the last 1,000 years, or so. Here’s one by the widely respected Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406).
He famously wrote: “In the Muslim community, holy war [jihad] is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and the obligation to convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force. The other religious groups did not have a universal mission, and the holy war was not a religious duty for them, save only for purposes of defence. But Islam is under obligation to gain power over other nations.”
So, there you are. A lifetime of study of the core Islamic texts, read in their original Arabic by a devout Muslim comes to the same conclusion that anyone with an ounce of common sense would!
gravenimage says
+1
CRUSADER says
Hmmm.
Is that a complete answer, though?
Christianity had NOT a universal mission?
Huh?
terry says
When the universalism of Christ is applied Jesus shall have split the skies: East to West. The universalist tendencies of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is done by the Spirit of Christ in the power of the Gospels being preached. The Crusades, as well as many other false-flag accusations against Christianity, were also done in defensive measures against islam. Yes their were heresy struggles where one sect persecuted and killed another, falsely in the name of Jesus: the Gospels never, ever command or call for subjugation through violence for conversion!
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
There are approximately 1.8 billion Muslims in the world — about a quarter of the world population. Even if a million are terrorists (and I’m certain the real number is far fewer), that’s less than one-tenth of 1%.
This is a profoundly stupid observation. It’s reasonable to estimate that less than one-tenth of 1% of Moslems engage in Jihad mass murder operations (aka Islamist Terror), what really matters is what portion of Moslems approve of the terror, whether they quietly cheer it or feel that it’s unfortunate but necessary.
Adding to the stupidity is the failure to account for the contents of the Holy Ko-Ran and Hah-Deaths, not to mention the Sharia and sacralized histories. An intellectually honest observer must ask is whether there is a connection between the contents of Islam and the Jihad mass murder operations.
Sure looks like there’s a connection, a direct one, and the Jihadists routinely say that there is a direct connection, so why not bring that into the argument?
elee says
For every terrorist we catch dead or alive……how many “peaceful Muslims” are there who knew or suspected something and said nothing?
gravenimage says
And a majority of Muslims even in the West approve of the imposition of brutal Shari’ah law on everybody–this is, in fact, exactly what Jihad is intended to achieve.
CRUSADER says
Somehow many Muslim women in the West go along with Shari’ah….
Emilie Green says
If their safety could be protected, it would be interesting, would it not, to know if those who are denominated as “Muslims” would remain as Muslims if free choice, truly free choice, was available.
This of course is one of those questions which, beyond being impossible to get answered, Muslim countries would not want to know the answer.
Because, in our heart of hearts, and in the heart of hearts of Muslims themselves, we all know the answer.
Dan says
“There are approximately 1.8 billion Muslims in the world — about a quarter of the world population. Even if a million are terrorists (and I’m certain the real number is far fewer), that’s less than one-tenth of 1%.”
This is not a valid line of reasoning.
I’d be there are less than a million ACTUAL terrorist Muslims too.
But how many have given financial and material aid, and sanctuary, to ISIS and radical Islamists?
Last I heard every soldier in the field required 9 people for support.
And how may Muslims believe there’s nothing wrong with stealing from or cheating non Muslims, ripping off government welfare programs and such?
How man Muslims think it’s okay beat their wives, support FGM, honor killings and raping non Muslim women? Or raping their own little boys? (Bachi boys.)
How many Muslims support the BDS movement.
How many support the vilification of Jews?
Muslims don’t need to blow things up for me to reject their culture.
If Muslims at least rejected EVERYTHING above, I could believe they were a “Live and let live” culture.
Until, I”d bet a good chunk of those 1.8 billion Muslims support that “One-tenth of 1%.”
elee says
+1
gravenimage says
All important points, Dan.
CRUSADER says
Dan, what figure would you put forth, given that fine and well reasoned list of yours?
Dan says
Can the sarc, Crus.
I spent two years sailing from Australia back to America and was attacked, or chased by, Muslim pirates in the Maldives, the Arabian Sea, and twice in the Red Sea.
The only country we weren’t attacked before entering Turkey but, other than that, Turkey was the same as every other Muslim country.
There was taqiyya, and baksheesh, and froth mouthed rants of evil Americans and their “puppet” Jews, and froth mouthed denial about any Muslim atrocities, (Like the Armenian genocide).
And then there was how women were treated in every one of those places; sex slaves and honor killed at worst, brainless creatures needing beatings, out of love, so they could learn their place, at best.
Here’s the basic attitude Muslim men have about women: “Men’s got the big brains and woman’s go the small brains.”
Men growing up in those countries are NOT going to change their ways because our infidel based laws.
They “honestly” believe there’s NOTHING wrong with their behavior, and that’s why their countries are such corrupt holes.
And if the “majority” of them didn’t hold such beliefs sacred, then all those refugees would have blended right in to our countries, and they’d be kicking the rat snot already, out of any Muslims giving “Islam” a bad name.
But they’re not turning in their own so…
Dan says
Oh and a couple last things.
Probably the biggest reason Muslims were so willing to curse Americans to my face, is because I’m Canadian. I have to assume they figured I hated America too, just because everybody does.
I was also in North Carolina in 2009, when this pc garbage wasn’t quite so bad, and SAW a poll on an ordinary tv station, ABC or NBC or whatever, apparently given only to Muslims. 1 in 4 actually had the guts to say they WOULD NOT report a terrorist plot if they learned about it.
Crunch your numbers from that.
Wellington says
Glenn K. Beaton makes many mistakes in his reasoning process about the topic at hand, but his single greatest mistake is that he doesn’t realize that an ideology must be judged based on what it says and NEVER on the fact that many followers of that ideology don’t fully implement, or wrongly implement, its tenets. As I have written before, if one could back to Germany in the 1930’s, or to many Communist countries during the Cold War, there could have been found many Nazis and Communists who on a daily basis were good with family and friends, very cordial to strangers, and not themselves ready to apply all the dictates of the warped ideology they adhered to, but in no way would this have made Nazism or Communism OK. Ditto for Muslims and Islam.
Islam is the only religion that calls for war to be made upon humanity “until all religion is with Allah.” {Sura 8:39} Islam to this very day, as taught by every major school of Islamic theology, Sunni or Shiite, requires death for apostasy as found in the Koran itself—(Sura 4:89}—“those who leave the way of Allah seize them and kill them.” Islam condones rape as can be found in Suras 4, 23, 33 and 70 (“captives of the right hand” and other rot along these lines such as the requirement that good women “cover themselves” and those that don’t are asking for it). It also requires death or severe bodily punishment for any criticism of the religion. Wherever Islam dominates, and as demanded by Islamic law, non-Muslims are pure second-class citizens with all kinds of humiliating restrictions placed upon them; in effect, when Islam can it sets up a Jim Crow system based not on race but on belief. The Koran oozes with contempt for non-Muslims on almost every page of this wretched excuse for a holy book (e.g., “Jews and Christians are the vilest of creatures,” Sura 98:6).
Does Glenn K. Beaton know any of this, including that the Koran is always prescriptive while much in the Bible, and I have in mind here particularly the Old Testament, is often only descriptive? If he doesn’t, then he is ignorant and should learn more about Islam before he writes about Islam and Muslims. If he does, then why the exculpation of the vast majority of Muslims? Would Beaton be ready to exonerate many Nazi Party members because they themselves personally didn’t want to kill Jews or invade Poland and other nations, or many Communist party functionaries who themselves didn’t want to apply in full the class struggle theory and the theory of alienation (particularly the former) and which are a virtual guarantee for the genocide of the upper and middle classes (even better off peasants who were also killed by Marxist lovers of humanity, Lenin and Mao as examples)?
Beaton is woefully deficient reasoning wise and, I strongly suspect, woefully ignorant of Islam. Instructive how evil, and Islam is pure evil hiding behind a religious veil, can count on the ignorant to run excuses for it, thus making the marginalization or even destruction of evil far more difficult. Moderate followers (and there have been tons of them) of malevolent ideologies give cover to evil and people like Beaton miss this completely. It’s the ideology, stupid.
CRUSADER says
Former Marxist, Glenn Beaton has made mountains out of small hills, and yet he also became known as a mountain rescue climber. He doesn’t seem to see the big picture, even after all of that heightened view from experience. Perhaps he has breathed in too much thin air.
James Lincoln says
Great post, Wellington.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Wellington.
Wellington says
Thank you, gravenimage. Thank you, James.
Lydia Church says
I second that!
elee says
Islam is a mosque on top of a bomb factory. And where do you think the collection plate goes?
Walter Sieruk says
This above top article appropriately the heinous deadly violence of the jihadists and their Islamic suicide /homicide bombings.
Much of that type of murderous jihad attacks are the fault of those sly and insidious manipulative imams, and sometimes the mullahs , with their methods of mind control as well as their lines and lies .As “We will honor you” and “You will go to paradise “ and “We are doing this for Allah.” That’s some very strand kind of “We.” For the reader to should well understand the same Muslim clerics who brainwash other people and then send them out to commit a murderous jihad attack are never, ever the one who do in themselves. They brainwash and just brainwash and manipulate into carrying out those evil and deadly actions. All the while the mass murders are going on those same Muslim clerics sit home safe. This alone show what totally despicable cowardly villains those kind of Muslim clerics actually are. The Bible informs its reader that “The counsels of the wicked are deceitful.” Proverbs 12:5.
Walter Sieruk says
Don’t let them fool you, the many apologists for Islam is will endeavor to set up a smokescreen to hide the reality of the truth about the violence and deadly essence of Islam by making the bogus claim that the al Qaeda operatives mass murderer on 9/11 were not real Muslims and that they were breaking the laws of the Qu ‘ran by their violence and deadly actions.” The apologists for Islam will further make the totally false claim that “Those terrorists on 9/11 were only criminals who hijacked the peaceful religion of Islam for Politics.” Those outrageously false claims are weak attempt of damage control for the image of Islam to the West. For the “holy book” of Islam the Qu ‘ran. For the Qu ‘ran instruct in Sura 9:111. Muslims who are engaging the jihad that “The believer’s fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain ,they kill and are killed “ That’s just what happened on September 11, 2001 the jihadists of al Qaeda “killed and were killed” in those 9/11 jihad attacks against both humankind and America. The Quran also teaches in Sura 9:123 to that jihad –minded Muslims behavior towards non-Muslims “let them find harshness in you…” Those Islamic attacks on 9/11 were indeed very “harsh.” As Sura 2:191 instructs “kill the disbeliever wherever you find them.” That’s a very strange kind of “peaceful religion” if there ever was one. Just to site one more out on many from the Qu ‘ran about the instruction of deadly violence is Sura 47:4. Which instructs “Whenever you encounter unbelievers strike off their heads until you make a great slaughter among them …” Let’s face it, using jet planes a missiles as those jihadist/ Muslims did of September 11, sure made a greater “slaughter among them” then sword can. Wake up West to the actual nature of Islam before it’s too late.
Walter Sieruk says
The top article reads “Glenn K. Beaton delivers himself of some thoughts on terror and Islam in his article “In An Age of Terror, What Is The Responsibility of Islam,” to be found here.
I remember September 11, 2001. Terrorists hijacked civilian airlines and flew them into the two World Trade towers and the Pentagon. A fourth plane crashed into a Pennsylvania field after the hijacked passengers heroically overcame their captors…”
Also, the heroes of United 93 banded together to fight the Jihadists and foiled their evil scheme by preventing more death and destruction in Washington D.C. The heroes united in a band or cord against those Islamic evildoers. The above is a reflection of Ecclesiastes 4: 12. This reads “Though one may be over-powered, two can defend themselves. A cord of three strands is not quickly broken..”
Finally, all these jihadists will have a harsh awakening after they die; they will find out that they were lied to about the 72 virgins in a paradise. That is just one of many “cleverly invented stories” of men Second Peter 1:16. Instead of the virgins they will find themselves in hell with no hope.
Marilyn Griffin says
If any portion of the muslims living in the USA, do NOT support their radicals and terrorists, their Inmans thst preach death to nonmuslims, etc, then why are they not speaking out FOR America and against those muslims? BUT we never hear about US Muslims condemning had acts of muslims. And until we see/hear proof that they are against those muslims, then we must assume their silence gives consent.
David Hayden says
The short reply is that the Islamic supremacists have the support of the Deep State in America: including members of Congress, the major media outlets, Facebook, Google, University professors, radical leftists who have a weird longing for a jihadi victory, and many religious leaders who cling to the belief that Islam is a religion of peace. While it is true that millions of Muslims do not want to get involved in violent jihad, they can’t hide from the fact that the Qur’an is full of Suras that command violent jihad, the goal of which is to ensure that the world will be dominated for Allah’s religion. The war we are facing is an ideological one. What ideas do you have to help win this war?
Wellington says
“What ideas do you have to help win this war?”
Beaton (and loads of others in the West) is so utterly clueless he doesn’t even know we are in a war. The depths of this man’s ignorance, and a huge number of other people who still enjoy freedoms only the West created, approaches the unfathomable.
Much trouble still lies ahead. Much. And first and foremost due not to evil but to ignorance of evil. Yes, ignorance is the greatest scourge of mankind. I would put cowardice second. Evil a poor third.
A dearth of knowledge and timidity are greater threats to mankind than “mere” malevolence. It has always been this way and always will be.
David Hayden says
Good comment, Wellington. Knowledge precedes understanding.
Demsci says
I am so sick and tired of the “Red-Green Alliance”. And now I know that very widespread among the “leftists, greens, and especially the millennials” there is this big concern about “global warming”.
Islam-aware people vote Trump, vote “populist” in Europe. This gives these Islam-aware politicians power. Now my idea is that Islam-aware people and thus parties somehow withhold all support for laws and policies to combat global warming.
See, our concern is about Islam. Theirs is about global warming. They won’t help us one bit with our problem, so we can determine to help them not one bit with theirs.
We can tell them; it is no use to try to save us from the one big danger if you ignore the other big danger. Either way we die, or get terrible catastrophes.
Although I think that their problem, thought existing, is not so great as they make it out to be.
simpleton1 says
From a very successful war lord, who in his life time, knew what it took, to take the most populous country in the world.
The guerrilla must move amongst the people as a fish swims in the sea. Mao Zedong
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/mao_zedong_138236
simpleton1 says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s
4minutes 51 secs
Brigitte Gabriel gives FANTASTIC answer to Muslim woman claiming all Muslims are portrayed badly
Many are peaceful. ….. Germans, Russians, Chinese, Japanese
Why should we worry about the radicals, ….
They set the agenda. …..
The peaceful majority are irrelevant. ….
The “[magnificent] 19” showed the peaceful majority were irrelevant. ….
Where, What are the peaceful muslims saying and doing? ….
Always good to refresh. 🙂
CRUSADER says
INDEED.
Ms. Gabriel did a great service in delineating the fact that
the “peaceful (or silent) majority” = irrelevancy.
It is amazing… the power a few rotten apples have on society.
Eric Jones says
Not only are a large number of terror attacks committed by Muslims; responsibility for them is proudly taken by Muslims! These same Muslims will proudly refer to Islamic text to justify the attacks. Beaton does not want to paint all Muslims with the same brush. None of us here at JW do. Does this mean that non Muslims should not take steps to prevent terror attacks?
Beaton has preconceived notions about Islam that he will not allow facts on the ground to interfere with. I was at 911 and saw the North Tower fall with my own eyes. Grief cannot prevent me from facing uncomfortable truths about that attack and other attacks. May we all find peace.
Eric
CRUSADER says
Remind us why Beaton is significant?
Demsci says
He is one of many, indicative of the Red-Green de facto alliance. I think that first off he is conscious or subconscious, determined to help Muslims, and only in that context reasons his logic. He is hopelessly biased, prejudiced.
And we can practice on his article to find our best counter arguments in order to convince as many voters as possible to vote the candidates that are against unbridled immigration.
But ultimately such left persons like Beaton can probably swayed with power. And if Trump and republicans have enough power, than perhaps we can force people like Beaton to see things from our perspective.
Lydia Church says
It’s the ideology. It doesn’t matter how many muslims were born after 9/11.
It does matter that this is what their religion leads to. The deeper they go into it, the more fruit like this they bear. And none of it is good.
gravenimage says
Very true, Lydia.
UNCLE VLADDI says
Re: “Blaming today’s Muslims for 9/11 is like blaming today’s Germans for the Holocaust.”
NO, IT REALLY ISN’T. If he had said “is like blaming all ARABS for 9/11,” he’d have been correct.
But the equivalent of “muslims” (crime-gangsters) in this equation is “nazis” so let’s try that one out:
“Blaming today’s Nazis for the Holocaust is like blaming today’s Nazis for the Holocaust.”
Sorry, what?! Anyway, moving right along to his next fallacy:
Re: “So are all Muslims terrorists? No.”
Actually, YES, they ARE.
According to even your own sharia “law” texts, no muslims are “civilians.”
In islam, ALLAH DID NOT CREATE ALL HUMANS EQUAL!
According to the Qur’an, allah deliberately made infidels so muslims could murder them for him, as a test of their obedience (well, more as a joke, since allah knows in advance who will pass and fail his tests, and it’s all predetermined predestined force anyway)!
If they truly follow islam, then YES muslims are ALL terrorists.
Just like you couldn’t be a “nazi” and not support Hitler and Mein Kampf, you can’t (by your own rules) be a “muslim” and not be a terrorist, because that’s what the Qur’an commands and Muhammad himself did: terrorize and extort everyone else!
ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS!
“Terrorism” is really only the simple crime of “extortion” writ large! Extortion is “threats!”
ALL muslims are criminals, simply by being members of the world’s largest and most ancient yet ongoing crime-gang.
Being a member of a crime-gang is a crime, even if the member hasn’t committed any specific crime beyond that of their general membership, because they represent the inherent public threat the crime-gang presents.
It’s the Law.
Everything you muslims pretend to believe is “holy” is already a crime!
The Qur’an clearly and specifically tells you muslims the Bible is wrong and also that all Christians and Jews are infidel criminals who worship a false god, and who must therefore be extorted, enslaved, and murdered for their “crime” of not being muslims:
Sura (Chapter) 47:1-4 of the Qur’an:
1: non-muslims are bad, because they insult allah by dividing his nature;
2: muslims are good, because to them allah is the cause of everything;
3: Allah made them both like that;
4: So muslims should chop off the non-muslims’ heads.
(Allah could have done it himself, but he wants you muslims to do it for him).”
It’s all right there, in context: islamic violence is entirely general doctrine-driven, and not at all specific grievance-driven.
(And chapter 47 isn’t by any stretch even remotely the worst, most violent chapter; that honor goes to either chapter 8 or 9).
Sure, some dispensations from mandatory participation in jihad are given for physical disabilities, like for old age, blindness, lameness etc., but the very listing of those exemptions in your Qur’an only serves to prove that the word “jihad” means violent and non-defensive warfare.
And those exempted from physical participation are still obliged to be accessories and equip and otherwise assist those who are still physically able to participate in the raids.
That is, the Qur’an demands muslims wage offensive war – not in self-defense – but because of others’ “disbelief!”
For instance:
9:5. Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islâmic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikûn (see V.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakât, then leave their way free. Verily, Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
9:14. Fight against them so that Allâh will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people,
9:29. Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
9:120. It was not becoming of the people of Al-Madinah and the bedouins of the neighbourhood to remain behind Allâh’s Messenger (Muhammad when fighting in Allâh’s Cause) and (it was not becoming of them) to prefer their own lives to his life. That is because they suffer neither thirst nor fatigue, nor hunger in the Cause of Allâh, nor they take any step to raise the anger of disbelievers nor inflict any injury upon an enemy but is written to their credit as a deed of righteousness. Surely, Allâh wastes not the reward of the Muhsinûn
Muslims are commanded to hurt us in any way they can and are promised Brownie Points for it.
So don’t go looking for what actions of yours may have offended or provoked them; they have been taught from birth that your existence alone offends their god, and so should offend them.
Muslims have been officially taught to believe that they are the “best of people” (Qur’an 3:110) and that unbelievers are the “most vile of created beings” (Qur’an 98:6).
So NO muslim is isolated from the evil crime of islam’s mandatory “jihad” terrorism.
Read the Qur’an! It is inseverable: 2.85. Jihad is ordained for Muslims: 2.216. It commands acts of terrorism: 8.12, 57 & 60. It rewards acts of terrorism: 9.120. It commands perpetual war: 8.39 & 9.29. Believers are only those who wage war: 9.111 & 49.15.
What believing Muslim is not a terrorist? 33.21 orders Muslims to emulate Moe. Bukhari 1.8.387 & 4.52.220 have him bragging about winning with terror. 8.12, 8.57 & 8.60 command Muslims to engage in terrorism. 9.120 promises Brownie Points for acts of terrorism. Get a clue.
Moe was a terrorist: Bukhari 1.8.331 & 4.52.220. Muslims are commanded to emulate him: QV 33.21. They may not be actively engaged in terror acts, but all Muslims are terrorists. Islam is war: 2.216, 8.39, 57, 60, 65; 9.5, 29, 111. 120 & 123. Islam is all or nothing; a bundled package deal: 2.85.
Moe said that his provision was placed under the shade of his spear. Look up the hadith in Tafsir Ibn Kathir “The Benefits Of Iron”; it is near the end of the page.
Moe dictated and dispatched extortion letters. Look them up in Ibn Sa’d or alquraan.net.
He prayed for prey at Badr. He asked the “Lord of the Devils” for “the good of this town” before every ghazwat. Look it up in “The Life of Muhammad”.pg. 510-511.
Crack open Sahih Bukhari and read the books of Jihad, Khumus & Expedition, they show us what Islam really is. Obtain clues from the Qur’an, too. 3:151, 8:12, 39, 57, 60, 65, 67, 9:5, 29, 38, 39, 111, 120, 123, 33:26, 27, 47:4, 49:15, 59:2, 13, 61:10-13; Sahih Bukhari 1.7.331 & 4.52.220.
If a Muslim is a believer, he is a threat to our lives, liberties and prosperity, whether in a pack or acting as a lone wolf.
Jihad is what Islam is; what Muslims do and it is defined in Islamic law as “war against non-Muslims.” Look it up in “Reliance Of The Traveller” Book o, Chapter 9.0 and try to prove me wrong.
Offensive Jihad is fard al-Kifaya, to be performed in every year. When we retaliate, the obligation becomes fard al-ayn: binding on the entire Ummah individually. That makes every Muslim a ticking time bomb.
You hope that we Kuffar are stupid, ignorant and gullible. Unfortunately for you, a growing number of us are scratching below the surface, reading the Qur’an, hadith, exegesis & jurisprudence to discover the reality of Islam.
“The Book Of Jihad” and the second volume of “Hedaya” are excellent sources of information.
thebigW says
“Just like you couldn’t be a “nazi” and not support Hitler and Mein Kampf, you can’t (by your own rules) be a “muslim” and not be a terrorist”
Well I’d rather say “and not be a jihadist” rather than “terrorist” since terrorism’s just one tactic of the jihad. Another tactic of the jihad is pretending that Islam ain’t got a program to destroy all societies and conquer the earth, which includes Muslims pretending they ain’t really Muslim or that they’re moderate. And it seems to be workin’ just dandy when even ol’ Hugh Fitzgerald here really believes that American Muslims are like somehow different:
“Twenty-five percent of Muslims in America are reported to no longer be Believers; are they still being counted, or do they count themselves, for safety’s sake, as Muslims? “
UNCLE VLADDI says
First off, here’s a simple fact about islam which *might* even give your average muslim pause:
If and when muslims posit their god as being “unknown and unknowable,” then it’s incredibly hypocritical of them to pretend to be so outraged by other religions’ alleged tellings of “lies” about the nature of god, that they feel obliged to go out and wage war and murder them for it.
That’s really only them doubling-down on their own lies, for all religion is at best mere speculation presented as fact – in other words, it’s all a pack of lies!
Therefore, who does islam *really* benefit? Obviously, not god.
So it can only be a lying excuse to benefit its fraudulent founder, Muhammad.
And there’s a copious amount of anecdotal evidence (aka all the hadiths) to prove it, too.
i.e:
“WE SOMEHOW KNOW THAT GOD IS UNKNOWN AND UNKNOWABLE, AND IF YOU SAY OTHERWISE, YOU’RE A LIAR AND WE KEEL YOU FOR IT!”
That’s islam in a nut’s hell.
Beyond this simple and obvious truth, let’s have a look at Glenn K Beaton’s ignorant nonsense:
Re: “Blaming today’s Muslims for 9/11 is like blaming today’s Germans for the Holocaust.”
NO, IT REALLY ISN’T. If he had said “is like blaming all ARABS for 9/11,” he’d have been correct.
But the equivalent of “muslims” (crime-gangsters) in this equation is “nazis” so let’s try that one out:
“Blaming today’s Nazis for the Holocaust is like blaming today’s Nazis for the Holocaust.”
Sorry, what?! Anyway, moving right along to his next fallacy:
Re: “So are all Muslims terrorists? No.”
Actually, YES, they ARE!
http://unclevladdi.blogspot.com/2019/04/yes-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html
Mad Mac says
Islam is like a knife. The scales of the handle are the Quran and other texts that clad the tang which is the leadership, the mullahs and imams, that direct and guide the blade which is the ummah, the whole islamic community and the edge, the point, is the mujahideen, the jihadi soldiers and martyrs. The whole of the knife is necessary for there to be a cutting edge and to strengthen it and direct it.
Ken Olson says
Ban the Muslim Brotherhood and the result will be the gradual decrease in Islamic influences.
vlparker says
The Western focus on terrorism is exactly what islam wants. Terrorism is not going to do in the United States. It is stealth jihad, muslim infiltration of school boards, county boards, police departments, the FBI, Congress, etc. that is the problem. The terrorists aren’t the major threat. Everyday muslims getting into the bureaucracies is the problem.
Paddy OConnor says
The manic power of the Saudi/Qatari ”Brown Envelope’ will make people like Beaton and countless others do and say anything.
Paddy OConnor says
Majic power