Notably, they didn’t claim responsibility. Contrary to media myth, the Islamic State does not have a record of claiming responsibility for jihad attacks in which it was not involved. But they’re cheering nonetheless: “It’s time to say goodbye to your oratory polytheism.”
The bemused pursuers of “Muslim-Christian dialogue” may find this puzzling, thinking that Muslims recognize Christians as fellow monotheists, and will dismiss it as “extremism.” However, the Qur’an itself, which any Christian involved in “interfaith dialogue” should read and study, but which none will, is quite clear that Christians are polytheists:
Those who believe in the divinity of Christ are unbelievers: “They have certainly disbelieved who say that Allah is Christ, the son of Mary.” — Qur’an 5:17 (cf. 5:72)
Jesus is not the Son of God and belief in the Trinity is “excess”: “O People of the Book! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter anything concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and his word which he conveyed to Mary, and a spirit from him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and do not say ‘Three.’ Cease! It is better for you! Allah is only One Allah. It is far removed from his transcendent majesty that he should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.” — Qur’an 4:171
And: “It is not befitting to Allah that he should beget a son. Glory be to him! When He determines a matter, he only says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is.” — Qur’an 19:35
“Notre Dame FIRE: ISIS fanatics praise blaze and call it ‘RETRIBUTION,'” by Rebecca Perring, Express, April 16, 2019:
ISIS fanatics have posted a chilling message bidding “au revoir” to Notre Dame after the historic cathedral was ravaged by a devastating fire.
A poster created by an ISIS affiliated propaganda wing shows the cathedral engulfed by flames with the words “have a good day” and describes the inferno as “retribution and punishment”. According to the Terrorism Research & Analysis Consortium, the Al-Muntasir group created the poster, which reads: “Its construction began in the year 1163 and ended in 1345. It’s time to say goodbye to your oratory polytheism.”
This is not the first time the Al-Munatsir media organisation has revelled in terror attacks that have rocked France over the years.
The Paris prosecutor’s office have ruled out terror-related motives for now and say they are treating the fire as an accident….
CogitoErgoSum says
Oh yeah, Muslims are loving this.
mortimer says
Muslims love the symbolism of ‘Allah’ destroying the nation’s most emblematic cathedral in the national capital of the Franks … the evil Crusader enemies of Islam.
The catastrophic fire is EMBLEMATIC of what is happening to France. FRANCE IS LOSING ITS HERITAGE DUE TO MASS ISLAMIC MIGRATIONS.
Macron’s GLOBALISM WILL FINISH THE JOB OF DESTROYING FRANCE’S HISTORY AND CULTURE.
mortimer says
Please note the IMPORTANCE of the word ‘RETRIBUTION’ in Islam. Note that ‘retribution’ will not satisfy ‘Allah’ until their is shedding of blood. This fire will inspire the next series of horrific, murderous jihad attacks against the French.
-K.11.173 “Believers, retaliation is decreed for you in bloodshed.”
-K.2.178 “O you who believe! Retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the slain.”
– K.5:33 “The reprisal against those who wage war on Allah and His Messenger, and go about the earth corrupting it, is that they should be killed or crucified, or have their alternate hands and feet cut off, or be banished from the land.” Waging war against Allah is rejecting Him.”–Tafsir of Imam al-Bukhari
christianblood says
Yellow Vests are much more important than this burned secular museum known as ‘notre dam’ and yet the stupid world media ignores their weekly struggle against the globalist establishment in France! Damn it!
gravenimage says
This is at least the second time that christianblood has sneered at the destruction of this great cathedral, and has shown he has no problem with Muslims gloating over it.
As for the Yellow Vests, as a movement they seem pretty muddled. Their main issue seems to be protesting against fuel prices, a demand to tax the wealthy, and a hatred of speed limits.
Why christianblood considers this so important is anyone’s guess.
christianblood says
Why is the world media so focused on the burning of the “notre dam” museum?
It is not a church, it is a secular museum! The godless, ISIS-loving French turned their backs on Christ centuries ago!
(…Jesus said to them: Do you see all these great buildings? Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down…) St. Mark 13:2
WPM says
So the French are being punished for turning from God? A 850 year old landmark building greatly damaged fire is world news .You have a lot in common with the Moslems celebrating in the streets the fire.
christianblood says
WPM
I am a follower of Christ and my master tells me not to love or worship buildings but to give my heart to Him and to seek His kingdom righteousness first! Matt 6:33.
I worship no buildings!
(…Jesus said to them: Do you see all these great buildings? Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down…)
St. Mark 13:2
I wana be like Him, not like this crazy and evil world!
gravenimage says
No, worship is regularly held at Notre Dame.
But christianblood has said before that any denominations that are not Russian Orthodox are not “real” Christians, so he doesn’t care what happens to them. Instead, he seems to rather enjoy seeing them in pain–especially when it is at the hands of Muslims.
Jean (old) says
Christianblood.
Notre Dame in French means Our Lady. The Cathedral is devoted to the Mother of God who is destined, as the Virgin of the Apocalypse, to place her foot upon the symbol of Muhammad, and to crush the head of Satan under her heel.
https://www.hli.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/mary.serpent.png
Mary is the one who will heal the world’s wounds from islam. God has entrusted her with this mission.
When you throw dirt on Christ’s mother and don’t care about her honour, about the burning of her sacred image, you are not behaving as a Christian.
But your moniker “Christianblood” is perhaps an indication that you are an anti-Christian troll? I have never heard any real Orthodox Christians responding the way you do. Russian, Greek, and Assyrian Christians are as heartbroken for Notre Dame de Paris as are the Catholics and Protestants.
christianblood says
Jean (old)
I have Great respect for St.Mary and do fully agree everything you said in your comment about Her. My criticism was for the MSM and French secular establishment and their false tears for the museum “notre dam”
and the fact that they are doing all this while they turned their backs on Christ and His Mother (The Theotokos) and are in fact supporting Islamic jihadists that are murdering Christians in Syria and elsewhere! Their hypocrisy and stupidity stinks to the high heavens!
(…Jesus said to them: Do you see all these great buildings? Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down…)
St. Mark 13:2
Frederick King says
They are. May well have started the fire.
mortimer says
Under Sharia’s dhimmi laws, the church of Notre-Dame MAY NOT be repaired. It must remain in ruins as a humiliation to the dirty kufaar.
The unforgiveable sin in Islam is WRONG WORSHIP. Wrong-worshippers (mushrikoon) do not deserve to live, their churches may not be repaired or new ones built, their ‘honor’ may be smeared and denigrated gratuitously without recourse, petty crimes may be committed against them, because the Islamic state does not allow dirty kafirs to accuse a Muslim in court. A kafir’s word is not accepted.
Muslims consider this a sign that they should move forward aggressively to conquer France, because Allah has shown his disfavor to Parisians.
Expect a hot jihad summer in France. ‘Allah’ has shown Muslims in France that their moment has arrived to final take revenge against the ‘Franks’ for the Crusades. (‘Franks’ is the name Muslims often use to mean ‘Crusaders’.)
mortimer says
How many Muslims were working on this site in repair work? Are they all under investigation? Will they all get a lie detector test?
CogitoErgoSum says
But, but …. that would be ISLAMOPHOBIC. In the future it might, just might, be a good idea not to hire people who hate churches to help build or do repair work on a church. Those jobs might best be left for Christians to do.
observer says
Agree CES.
The moment I learned that workers were busy with major renovations I saw the opportunity for……… well…… opportunists.
How extraordinary/or NOT that the fire started in the attic JUST where massive wooden beams from the 13th century supported the roof. Amazing syncynchronicity !
What ?
“Synchronicity” did you say ?
Yep.
Good question.
There is One who knows the truth however…
Reziac says
How extraordinary too, that an ‘accidental’ fire started in two, possibly three places simultaneously, and that Macron had decreed half the renovation workers be migrants. Surely the cup of opportunity runneth over!
Frederick King says
I agree. I doubt there were any electrical wires up there.
Rufolino says
The French Government has already decided, before ANY investigation, that this fire was an accident, and have said so. Their cards are on the table.
Everyone now knows what the result of any investigation must be.
Any other possibility for the fire’s origin could be potentially explosive for the Government’s policies, and for public relations, and must be excluded at any cost to truth.
EVERY TECHNICIAN AND LABOURER ON THE CATHEDRAL SITE SHOULD BE THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATED.
But if the Government has already decided on the investigation’s outcome, there is little point.
AnneM04031959 says
Just heard today that Notre Dame WILL BE rebuilt. The Islamofacists will go CAT POOP CRAZY! The French learned well from the leadership of present day Egypt, which has been building and rebuilding Coptic Christian churches.
christianblood says
Notre Dam is NOT a church, it is a secular museum! The godless, ISIS-loving French turned their backs on Christ centuries ago! Beautiful buildings, whether the Jewish Temple in Jesus’ day or this secular museum known as ‘notre dam’ have NO meaning or value before Christ.
Talking about the ‘great’ Jewish Temple, Jesus said to his disciples, (…Do you see all these great buildings? Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down…) St. Mark 13:2
gravenimage says
Yes–Notre Dame *will* be rebuilt!
This fact seems to enrage christianblood–why am I not surprised?
As for the idea that no material thing has any value in Christianity, this is a very odd stance for christianblood to take, given his reverence for Ikons.
The only thing he is consistent about is glorying over Westerners in pain.
christianblood says
gravenimage
The Turks took over Constantinople and turned ‘Sophia Hagia’ into an Islamic museum! In the same, the secularists took over France and turned “Notre Dam” into a secular museum! I see no difference between the secularists and islamists, they both hate Christianity!
gravenimage says
christianblood wrote:
gravenimage
The Turks took over Constantinople and turned ‘Sophia Hagia’ into an Islamic museum!
………………….
No, the Muslims invaded Constantinople and slaughtered or enslaved all the Christians who had taken sanctuary there–mostly women, children, the elderly, disabled, priests, monks, and nuns. Most women and many of the children were raped.
Christendom’s greatest Cathedral was then turned into a supremacist Mosque–and so it remained for centuries. It was the secular Attaturk who turned Hagia Sophia into a museum in 1935.
Services are regularly held at Notre Dame–christianblood just doesn’t consider them to be real Christians because they are not Russian Orthodox.
Terry Gain says
Lie detector tests measure your nervous reaction to being questioned. A devout Muslim could easily pass a lie detector test.
James Lincoln says
mortimer,
Certainly a great opportunity for an arsonist.
There was a case in my area a few years ago where a homeowner moved all of his belongings out of his house in order to have his wood floors refinished with polyurethane.
Somehow, the house caught on fire and was a total loss. It’d happened in the wee hours of the morning. All of his belongings and family members, of course, were safe and sound.
The owner got full replacement value through his homeowners policy.
It was widely known that he had had trouble selling the house and wanted to move.
Arson could not be proved, dogs were useless to sniff for accelerants above and beyond the polyurethane that was already present.
In my opinion, the guy got away with grand theft insurance fraud.
RichardL says
She isn’t destroyed. The altar cross still stands. There will be an Easter Mass on Sunday, I bet. And Our Lady might just become the turning point in France and Europe. Of course this was arson. Just like all the other churches that were burned by the invaders.
observer says
I’m sure you’re right RichardL.
Macron sees Notre Dame as a bringer of coffers to France.
Whereas the Cathedral embodies the soul of the country.
observer says
Alléluia to Easter Mass…
Hail Mary full of grace!
James Hilborn says
You are right.
Isabella says
Agree. Amen.
Lance Hogben says
We should not overlook all the recent church desecrations and burnings that have happened in France. Whether this is deliberate is doubtful, but there is a spirit abroad in the country instigating acts of hatred against God and His Church. When the land is run by haters of God, their neglect of symbols of the sacred becomes palpable.
This burning is a judgement on France’s apostasy.
gravenimage says
The idea that God would burn down a church to punish people for not being devout enough makes little sense.
Rufolino says
Not one media commentator has made the link between the shocking recent rise in Islamic attacks on churches all over France, and the Cathedral fire. Why not ?
(It might be “Islamophobic”.)
Malcolm (South Afric) says
The fire of Notre Dame Cathedral is devastating to all Catholics around the world. It is testimony of our for fathers vision and Faith. It is devastating to all people, who appreciate beauty, history and culture.
Faith and vision remain. We will rebuild. God is good.
Wellington says
As the invincibly ignorant agnostic that I am, Malcolm, I want you to know that I am on the side of Catholicism again because of its many contributions to mankind, not the least being possessed of, arguably, the single greatest artistic heritage of any religion ever.
Notre Dame stands as a testimony to this contention of mine. May it be restored in full.
Hope you and yours are doing well. Take care. And may I add that Christianity blows away Islam respecting which religion brings out the best in people and which of the two far, far, far better aligns with liberty.
Malcolm (South Afric) says
Wellington, thanks for your wisdom, you and gravenimage as non Catholics have had an impact on my perspective of non Catholics, I thank you both for that.
Although my contribution on this site is tiny now, I do keep up to date to the events.
Everything is fine here, Keep up the good work and God Bless you both and the USA>
Still very active in other matters.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Malcolm and Wellington.
Reziac says
I am neither Catholic nor even a believer, but I think I may go to Mass on Easter Sunday, if only from respect for the great cathedral and the history it represents.. as Wellington says, there is no greater heritage in all the Earth.
elee says
+1
Ashley says
“The Paris prosecutor’s office have ruled out terror-related motives for now and say they are treating the fire as an accident….”
_______________________________
This is SO reckless and irresponsible.
When our neighbor’s house burned to the ground on December 30, 2004 it was pretty obvious embers from the woodstove were the culprit. The owner was at work and other neighbors strolling down the street noticed smoke and were able to rescue the dogs.
It took FOUR WEEKS for the fire marshal to officially rule the blaze an accident so Jon could file a claim with his insurance company.
How do you immediately rule out arson when the debris is still smoldering?
mortimer says
Ashley is correct. I don’t think they actually ruled it out. They said they had ruled out sabotage to make the perpetrators think they were safe. Access to the cathedral was restricted under construction. Every person there will be investigated.
Reziac says
My understanding is that when suitably motivated, the French police can be extremely persistent. Whether sufficient motivation will be allowed to manifest is an open question.
Rufolino says
But if the Government already stated it was an accident, before any investigation, what’s the point ?
Or Else! says
With today’s safety standards, one would think that a building of such importance would be monitored head-to-toe on a regular basis.
I call BS on “ruling out” arson/jihad. Impossible to know so soon.
Besides, like I believe ANYTHING the “Russian hoax, Kavanaugh, Smollett, Covington, Clinton Cover-up” media have to say.
Terry Gain says
The authorities have not had sufficient time to discover the cause of the fire. If they discover that it is arson, I expect them to lie as do they about even the most obvious cases of Jihad.
mortimer says
Police may not want the jihadists to learn what they already know or how they get their information. They don’t want to endanger or spook their informants or dry up the information they are receiving from them.
The police lie to catch the crooks. Eventually, someone may come forward. The police should offer a big reward for information leading to an arrest.
Ashley says
If a reward is offered for information leading to an arrest, it would imply a crime had been committed. At this time the inferno has been ruled an accident.
Sure wish I knew if the construction workers have been questioned…
somehistory says
Ashley
One news report said they had all been questioned. I read so many reports on so many sites, I cannot remember which source said so.
It said that three safety inspections were done every day and there was security on the site. The construction crew was to have someone stay for at least two hours after the work was stopped for the day.
elee says
All right, rigorous scientific investigation takes more than a day. You may have noticed there’s been a wave of vandalisms, fires, desecrations, to ancient shrines this year in Europe. So has anybody heard any results from investigations of these other incidents that are certainly more than a day old? How about the arson and desecration at Sain-Sulpice in Paris? Leads, suspects, anything that they’re telling us about?
Ashley says
Five different construction companies, eh? Sounds like a lot of workers had access to the cathedral unless they all worked on the exterior of the steeple.
http://www.batimes.com.ar/news/world/workers-questioned-over-notre-dame-inferno-as-donations-pour-in.phtml
Ewanda says
No doubt but need video clips – otherwise can be taken as hearsay by Islamophiles
Joe says
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8872925/isis-supporters-celebrate-notre-dame-cathedral-fire/
somehistory says
My daughter gets news stories from the Houston Chronicle in her inbox. Today, she received some photos of the inside of the church. Question for those who have ever visited the church: Did the statues that circled the spire…the ones of the Apostles…always have their heads missing?
The news article said the statues had been removed for the restoration…sometime in April.
Heidi says
No, they all had their heads. I would believe if the statues were removed for restoration the whole statue would be removed not just the heads because what does a restored head do to an otherwise unrestored statue.
Ashley says
Here you go, somehistory:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/16/arts/notre-dame-statues.html
somehistory says
thank you both, and Ashley for the link.
I did read that they were removed last week, but the photo she showed me seemed to show “headless” statues. My eyesight isn’t all that I wish. 😉
Ashley says
No problem, friend. I love a good research project!
Yeah…even though saving the statues was a miracle, receiving a photo of headless Apostles from the Notre Dame Cathedral is sort of creepy.
As an aside…I read on a previous thread that your health is somewhat compromised.
I will you keep you in my thoughts…
somehistory says
Ashley
Thank you for the good thoughts. I appreciate all of those I get. I have several serious health issues and sometimes, get depressed. But hanging in there as best I can. 🙂
The photo she showed me does seem to be of headless statues. Her sight is way better than mine and she wanted me to see what she saw. And it does look creepy.
somehistory says
the photo in your link is much clearer and explains the headless issue.
gravenimage says
Ashley and Somehistory, the statues–of French kings–had been beheaded by the mob during the French Revolution.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/04/16/story-behind-towering-notre-dame-spire-year-old-architect-commissioned-build-it/?utm_term=.1d5e1f33eb6b
somehistory says
g
I commented on your post, and it appears below. However, after reading the article in the Post….it seems that it shows the headless “Apostles” and explains about the “beheaded” Kings…by mobs during the Revolution.
Two different sets of statues and two different reasons for the loss of heads.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Somehistory.
Heidi says
Of course they say accident even if they could prove that it was arson. They are afraid of more civil unrest than they have on their hands already with the yellow vests.
Rufolino says
Absolutely, Heidi.
OVV says
It sure took “Allah” a long time to inflict His retribution, eh Muslims? If such a building was an affront to Allah, why did He wait so long to have it burn?
roger standen says
30 minutes after Notre Dame started burning, look who was walking along one of the church’s balustrades.
https://www.facebook.com/vita.little.1/videos/10218942779020096/
Ashley says
That little clip was deemed bogus as soon as it was uploaded by some juvenile moron.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Ashley.
elee says
Thank you Ashley. and I reiterate my thanks to GI for posting that information in another thread.
gravenimage says
Thanks, elee.
Walter Sieruk says
That the jihadists of ISIS enjoy and cheer the destruction of the Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris ,France,this further exposes the terrible conflict between the Christian West and the Islamic East.
For this twenty –first century “War of Ideas” is that of a great a conflict and a clash between Christianity and Islam. As explained by the Christian author, William Wagner,, in his book which is entitled HOW ISLAM PLANS TO CHANGE THE WORLD had explained on page 155 about a meeting that he had with a Muslim cleric , which reads “Several years ago one Imam told me that ,prior to 1990, the greatest enemy to Islam was Communism but now it is the Christian missions.” Further, on page 208 the Wagner had written about some zealous Muslims that “They have failed to stop Christian missions. They see Christian missions as their number one enemy.” On the very next page the reader is informed that “Christianity remains the number one buffer against Islam, a fact readily recognized by those who seek a world wild ummah.” [1]
[1] Ummah – The community of all those who affirm Islam.
somehistory says
Of course they cheer. Probably having a days-long party to celebrate. Could be planning further attacks…whether or not they burned this church, or ever claim responsibility for this one…on other places.
Arsonists will watch the fires they set and feel such glee that it will actually cause them to be caught when otherwise they might not be. When arson is committed by a ‘normal’ criminal in the twisted thinking of his daily life, he…and most arsonists are young males…will sometimes, quite often, stand by in the crowd and watch the building burn. He sets it for the emotional high he feels in seeing it go up in flames. Once that fire is out, he begins thinking and planning where will be the next one.
moslims may be responsible for this fire, whether or not it will be found out and whether or not it is ever made known. However, if someone did set this, they will likely do so again.
b.a. freeman says
[the Paris prosecutor’s office] … say they are treating the fire as an accident …
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right. and what is the likely background of the gofers who were working on the renovations? i’m *certain* that they were all upper-class frenchmen, and that they all held the highest clearances the government has. not.
it would have been *so easy* for a workman from the ummah to set up a time-delay fire (a flammable fluid dripping down a board towards a heater left on, dammed by a rag, so that when the rag became saturated, it leaked past it to the heater … U get the idea). the workman goes back to his banlieue for the weekend, knowing that either the plan fails – this time – and is seen by renovation management as a disaster luckily avoided, or it succeeds, and the dirty kuffar lose their filthy church. either way, the workman comes out OK.
but *nobody* will be checking backgrounds; only racists and white supremacists ever do that kind of thing. and the stupid stinking masses will never know what happened, because it *WILL* be found to be a simple tragic “accident.”
Ole Pederson says
One wonders, after all the destruction and desecration of French churches in the past year, was there no fire protection, no smoke alarm?
CogitoErgoSum says
I hope they at least had insurance.
somehistory says
Ole Pederson
Evidently, Notre Dame had an alarm and it sounded twice for the fire, but the first time, they thought it was a false one.
Reziac says
There were smoke alarms and they went off immediately; that’s why the fire was discovered as early as it was. Another 15 minutes, and the bell towers would not have been saved.
saf says
surly there were Cameras… there are cameras everywhere these days and especially one would believe in Churches where such treasures are….
Lydia Church says
When God destroys all their devilish mosques, I will cheer!
THAT is the retribution and punishment, but it won’t end with the buildings!
O muslims: It’s time to say goodbye to your devil worship! It may be monotheistic, but it’s still wrong.
Christians are not polytheists, it is ONE God in THREE persons. NOT three Gods. It is very complicated so I am not too surprised that muslims can’t understand the concept. Islam is pagan to the core. Biblical Christianity is pure and holy.
Jean (old) says
Lydia Church.
Well, since Muslims call it blasphemy when someone insults Muhammad, they are, obviously, the real polytheists.
gravenimage says
Islamic State jihadis cheer destruction of Notre Dame cathedral as “retribution and punishment”
……………………..
Muslims may not have destroyed this great Cathedral, but they are certainly cheering it.
somehistory says
g
The story with the link Ashley provided said the heads had been removed from the statues last week for ease of moving them to another place for the duration of the restoration of the spire.
It is difficult in these times to get a complete and straight story. The photo in the Houston Chronicle did not have an explanation as to the head issue, only that the statues had been in the church but had been moved “in April.”
gravenimage says
Thank you, Somehistory.
Heidi says
This gives me food for thought. German press reported “+++ 15.37 Uhr: Staatsanwalt: Nach erstem Alarm um 18.20 Uhr kein Feuer entdeckt +++
“Was wir an dieser Stelle wissen, ist, dass es um 18.20 Uhr einen ersten Alarm gab”, sagte Staatsanwalt Rémy Heitz. Erst nach dem zweiten Alarm um 18.43 Uhr sei das Feuer im Dachstuhl bemerkt worden. (+++ 15:37: Prosecutor: After the first alarm at 18.20 clock no fire discovered +++
“What we know at this point is that there was a first alarm at 6:20 pm,” prosecutor Rémy Heitz said. Only after the second alarm at 18.43 o’clock had the fire been noticed in the attic.)
saf says
the great Cathedrals were built for the Greater Glory of God…. like so many religions that have gone before turning your eye from God to the earth was the demise of them all…. so hath the Catholic Church… there is even a “progressive” mass at our church.. where the words of the Bible are altered to accommodate leftist Propaganda….. it shall soon seep it’s poison into every mass…. it is sad what has been done to the Church so loved by so many….
Brenda says
Talk about a massive cover-up – WOW!
infidel says
many Muslims even here in India are mad with glee…
gravenimage says
This does not surprise me, Infidel. Muslims all over the world have been celebrating this tragedy.
janwog says
The Francist Pope like to weaken Christian resistance to Jihad.