“A group of young British men training to be imams are trying to dispel negative perceptions about Islam.” This group belongs to the Ahmadiyya community.
Negative “perceptions” about Islam are based on cold, hard facts that it is prudent to not ignore. The Ahmadiyya sect, however, is peaceful, but unfortunately, it only makes up one to two percent of Muslims worldwide. Also unfortunate is the fact that Ahmadis try to convince Westerners that Islam is a religion of peace while normative Islam is clearly not peaceful. They take advantage of Western ignorance about Islam. What’s more, Ahmadis are persecuted by mainstream Muslims who do not recognize them as Muslims at all, and their persecutors are merely following the Quran and Sunnah. They need to acknowledge this; they do not.
The Ahmadis do not hold to mainstream Islamic doctrine as taught by the foremost Sunni school of Islam — Al Azhar in Cairo, or by any of the mainstream authorities in Islam. Ahmadis have created their own version of Islam; the problem is that they present themselves as the face of true Islam, with no acknowledgement of the dangers posed by those who practice normative Islam. In so doing, they provide cover for their coreligionists who are supremacists and jihadists. It is clear that practices of the Islamic State and of Sharia-adherent states — including sex slavery, beheadings, the murder of gays and apostates, the inferiority of women, anti-Semitism, etc. — are prescribed in the Quran and Sunnah, and these teachings are deemed by the ulema to be immutable.
Although Ahmadis are not the norm, they act as if Westerners were misguided about the teachings of Islam, which serves to downplay the ever-present and real dangers that Islamic doctrine poses, and most importantly the plight of the myriad of victims of that doctrine.
Ahmadis need to come clean and admit that their version of Islam is not mainstream or representative, and that they are persecuted by Muslims who insist they are not Muslim. There is a whole website dedicated to the persecution of Ahmadiyyas by fellow Muslims, called Persecution of Ahmadis, which includes such headlines as:
- Azad jammu and Kashmir Parliament follows Pakistan to declare Ahmadis non-Muslims
- Ahmadi faces deadly blasphemy charge of fabricated accusation
- Provincial minister threatens murder – personally, to any Ahmadi who peddles Ahmadiyya translation of the Quran
- Writ Petition in Lahore High Court against Ahmadiyya English translation of the Holy Quran
- Crackdown on Ahmadiyya TV channels
“British Muslim imams discuss Islam in London,” BBC, April 17, 2019:
A group of young British men training to be imams are trying to dispel negative perceptions about Islam.
They travel to central London on weekends with messages on whiteboards….
……The trainee imams belong to the Ahmadiyya Muslim community.
mortimer says
The big problem with Ahmaddiya-style Islam is that it is REVISIONISM and a Hindu-inspired revision at that.
Ahmaddiya is in fact a deutero-canonical revelation that ignores the Closing of the Doors of Ijtihad (exegesis) in 1111AD.
In this brilliant analysis by Christine Douglass-Williams we read: “Ahmadis need to come clean and admit that their version of Islam is not mainstream.” Indeed.
But, I’m not holding my breath about that. As long as most Western people REFUSE to study Islamic ESSENTIAL DOCTRINES, they will continue to be DISINFORMED by the Ahmadis.
Donald Trump very intuitively said, ‘I think Islam hates us.’ That is an accurate summary of Islam for people on the street.
Bee says
CIRA International videos on Youtube reveal all the truth about the lies. Must watch.
https://youtu.be/QfyGZO-J7q4
mortimer says
The general approach of Ahmaddis is to withhold the vital information that they are not Sunnite or Shi’ite Muslims.
A useful comparison would be if Jehovah’s Witnesses presented themselves as mainstream Protestants … which they are not.
The Sunni and Shi’a branches both consider Ahmadis to be heretics and in Pakistan, the Ahmadis are forbidden by law to use the word ‘Muslim’ to describe their sect.
CRUSADER says
There is this from Submission.org
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Sects in Islam (Submission to God alone) | Submission.org –
https://submission.org/Sects.html
All sects in Islam, whether Sunni, Shias, Ahmaddis, Ismailli……etc have disagreements about hadith and sunnah attributed to the prophet.
In the Name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
SUNNIS, SHIIAS, AHMADIYYA, ISMAILI, NOI…., ETC.
The Quran condemns all sects. All sects in Islam, whether Sunni, Shias, Ahmaddis, Ismailli……etc have disagreements about hadith and sunnah attributed to the prophet. However, these same sects have no disagreements about the Quran.
It is sources of religious law, stories, conjecture, etc. outside the Quran which have created these sects. At the end of this article three “authentic” hadith have been produced about the last sermon of the prophet. The different versions/conjecture gave rise to sects.
Nation of Islam, a large political group for African American, although have achieved a great political gain for the African Americans in the USA, they produced their own sources other than the Quran and follow other sources besides the Quran for religious laws. This is completely codemned in the TRUE Islam. Many of the followers of the Nation of Islam however are more acceptable to the TRUE Islam (Submission) when they get exposed to it as most of them are well educated and intelligent. Like all the other sects as soon as the followers of the Nation of Islam decide to follow ONLY the word of God in the Quran for religious law and leave the words of man for political moves, they will find the truth and be guided. See our section about Hadith and Quran.
These sects of Islam ( Sunni, Shias, Ahmaddis, NOI….etc.) do exactly the same thing – they follow sources and religious scholars, instead of the Quran.
[Quran 6:159] Those who divide themselves into sects do not belong with you. Their judgment rests with God, then He will inform them of everything they had done.
[Quran 30:32] (Do not fall in idol worship,) like those who divide their religion into sects; each party rejoicing with what they have.
[Quran 42:14] Ironically, they broke up into sects only after the knowledge had come to them, due to jealousy and resentment among themselves. If it were not for a predetermined decision from your Lord to respite them for a definite interim, they would have been judged immediately. Indeed, the later generations who inherited the scripture are full of doubts.
The last sermon of the prophet witnessed by the thousands has three versions. The versions the references are listed below.
I leave with you Quran and Sunnah Muwatta, 46/3
I leave with you Quran and Ahl al-bayt Muslim 44/4, Nu2408; ibn hanbal 4/366; darimi 23/1, nu 3319.
I leave you for the Quran alone you shall uphold it. Muslim 15/19, nu 1218; ibn Majah 25/84, Abu dawud 11/56.
Because the majority of the Muslims follow conjecture (hadith and sunnah) instead of Quran alone (17:46) as our Creator has commanded the “Muslims” are divided into sects. These sects are there because of differences and disagreements on Hadith rather than disagreements over the Quran.
Or Else! says
So, even the minuscule “peaceful” Islamic sect plays their own game of kitman.
gravenimage says
True.
Guy Forester says
Good analysis, Christine. The Ahmaddis fare little better in Indonesia. They have tried to build “mosques” and the project is either demolished or appropriated by the “authorities.” Interesting that Christians and other non-muslims get treated the same way. Ahmaddis may be very nice people but they appear to prefer to live in a bubble world of their own creation, oblivious to the facts.
The first thing I ask when someone gets on the “religion of peace” soapbox is “what sect do they belong to?”.
elee says
mortimer I was going to type in the exact same information but you beat me to it……I wonder what the Ahmaddi positions are on the Muslim doctrines of (1) “innovation” = apostasy and (2) Musims are ordered kill apostates. Who knows, they might agree with that western business about toleration and the free market of ideas. And again Islamophobes and Muslims agree entirely……now in questioning whether this sect can truly call themselves Muslims. And thanks for that information about Pakistan too. It’s certainly not surprising.
mortimer says
Elee, that is correct: Ahmaddiya is ‘bida’… an innovation or revision. Muslims who commit bida are required to repent or be punished by imprisonment, whipping or death.
The prophets of Ahmaddiya were reincarnations of Jesus and Mohammed, so their messages were divine. They turned jihad into ‘verbal jihad’.
Ahmadis practice verbal jihad every time they open their mouths and misrepresent themselves as representatives of classic Sunnite Islam.
CRUSADER says
If there can be in existence a differentiation between “NORMATIVE” Islam and a more “PEACEFUL” version of Islam, then what Irshad Manji and Zhudi Jasser say about REFORM is possible — thus they should be promoted and we all must listen and pay heed to them.
Otherwise, there is to be no hope for the over 1 billion Muzzies on the goobe, other than to convert to one of the “other” Abrahamic Faiths….
Since Islam has made stated allowance for Christ as a prophet and as a powerful figure to come again at the End of Days, perhaps that “other” Abrahamic Faith for Muzzies to covert to should be Christianity.
They will have all sorts of “christian” versions to convert to and feel comforted by, including:
Mormonism, Baptism, Tongue-Speaking, the list is endless. The flocks are awaiting Muzzies to enter the folds….
gravenimage says
Orthodox Muslims regularly target Ahmadis for oppression and murder. They don’t even consider them to be Muslims.
Indiana Tom says
Beat me to the punch. Probably the Ahmadis selling their propaganda on the street are more in danger than the rest of us poor infidels are.
FYI says
Negative perception about islam?Surely not…
Here’s some questions for the holy yusufs..
1 “I have been made victorious through TERROR”
{Bukhari 4:52:220}
Do you think,given this statement that muhammed was in favor of Terror as a tactic?Discuss
2 The koran CURSES CHRISTIANS for believing in Jesus Christ?k9:30
Explain…
3 How come allah completely missed the 2nd chief commandment and tells muslims to do the
OPPOSITE in k5:51 resulting in a Doctrine of Hate{al walaa wal baraa}and resulting in muslims being told NOT to be friends with Jews and christians?Why is allah so anti-social?It’s because muslims are the “best community” isn’t it:so islam has a Superiority complex and a violent jihadist Supremacist ideology?
4″Whoever says the prophet was BLACK is killed.The Prophet was NOT BLACK”{Ash Shifa}
Please explain that one and will you point out to converts to islam that muhammed{APFh,allah prays for him} was a Black Slave Trader{Sahih muslim 3901}?Thanks!
5.How can a Fat,cross-dressing,mass-murdering,lying dwarf be “The Perfect man”?
{YOUR teachings!..Abu Dawud 40:4731,Sahih Bukhari 2442,Abu Dawud 4390,Al Tabari 6:111}
6 Why is allah’s “Perfect” koran so full of ERRORS:40+scientific ones,theology fails{Christians are not polytheists,allah doesn’t know what God’s Holy Spirit etc k4:171}?If allah’s book has errors in it then it cannot be perfect and if a copy of this error-riven book exists in allah’s carnal Bordello “paradise then that means allah’s paradise… has Errors in it?Isn’t that hilarious?
7 allah is the pagan god of the Arabs:allah’s name is “The BEST of deceivers” k3:54.Now a god who admits to being a champion at deceiving souls is certainly not the Biblical God or can ever be trusted.
allah is NOT the Judeo-Christian Biblical God!
If Sahih muslim vol 5 hadith #5611 is correct and allah’s greatest enemy is Jesus Christ{Malik al Amlak:try fiddling the Arabic all you like but only ONE man has that title Revs 19:16}then..
Can you see how that makes allah a false god and a source of evil?No?Too much for the cognitively dissonant islamic brain?
The answer is explained in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 10-122:That’s why you muslims prefer allah even when all the truth about allah,the pagan god of the Arabs is revealed.
8 Follow allah’s advice in k10:94 and consult those who have the “Scripture that was before thee”{The Bible}.:Ask a Rabbi or a Christian pastor to explain to you the concept…difficult for muslims I know..of OBEYING the Exodus 20{the Ten} C-O-M-M-A-N-D-M-E-N-T-S
Note the 6th one:thou shalt NOT MURDER?Get it?
Now look back at the koran and NOTICE how allah says you can BREAK THESE LAWS
allah say you can murder infidels k2:191,commit adultery with slave women k33:50,steal from infidels
k48:20,lie to promote islam etc..who needs those pesky Commandments of God when allah, the Best of deceivers, brazenly tells muslims they can break them and get away with it?
If allah tells muslims it is OK to break the Exodus 20 laws then that defeats the whole purpose of Moses!
9 Perhaps if you use your intelligence you can see the error of islam?No?Too difficult to figure out?
A false god allah “The BEST of deceivers” k3:54,the pagan god of the Arabs
A false prophet muhammed{al tabari 6:111..admitted to being a fraud…before allah cancelled it out!haha}
A false scripture,the Commandment-of -God violating teachings of the “holy” koran…written by a misogynistic,chauvinist,racist,antisemitic,antichristian scientifically and theologically written bigot of a man in the 7th century
A false angel jibreel {“The Enemy of the Jews”Bukhari 4:60:3329}
So allah {a violently antisemitic god,the BEST of deceivers}gives his violently antisemitic/antichristian koran to muhammed{a violently antisemitic and antichristian “prophet”} through the intercession of jibreel{an antisemitic “angel”} in a cave with no witnesses……can you spot all the WEAK LINKS?
islam: a house of cards built on shifting sands in an earthquake subduction zone.
owensgate says
Yes, all of the above, but the persons who would benefit most from the understanding are not going to read it. They are going to have it read to them at the Great White Throne Judgment. One doesn’t have to read much to find out that one Biblical FACT, that ALL moslems are going to Hell. And that FACT is stated more than once in the Bible, and by the Lord Jesus Himself.
James Lincoln says
Ahmadis are either intentionally or unintentionally causing confusion among non-Muslims:
If their efforts are intentional, they are causing uninformed non-Muslims to think that their sect is representative of Islam in general. From their point of view, by conflating Ahmadis with mainstream Islam, their efforts are successful.
If their efforts are unintentional, they need to clearly identify themselves as Ahmadis – and not Muslims. They should be willing to do this if their intentions are pure.
Let’s ask them what their intentions are… or better yet find out independently.
jayell says
Fairly recently a Christian preacher was arrested on the streets of London by the police for doing just what these Ahmadis are doing. He was apparently given a bit of a rough ride. I believe the law is that someone has to complain, and the perfectly justifiable cause for complaint here would be that these preachers are spreading a spurious form of islam that would mislead the public (which is what one couldn’t say about the Christian preacher). If I come across them, that’s what I’ll do, and see if the Police treat them as they treated the Christian preacher. But they might decide to arrest ME on grounds of ‘vexatious islamophobia’ (they haven’t thought of that one yet, so I’ve thought of it for them!).
Michael Copeland says
There was a muslim shopkeeper in Glasgow, Scotland, who wished his customers a Happy Easter.
A Sunni muslim from England drove all the way to Glasgow and murdered him with a knife.
The shopkeeper was an Ahmadi, and therefore considered an apostate, someone “who deserves to die”.
Peace.
gravenimage says
Exactly, Michael.
Here is that terrible story:
“Asad Shah death: Man admits killing shopkeeper because he ‘disrespected’ Islam”
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-35976958
He “disrespected Islam” by wishing his Christian customers Happy Easter–something no orthodox Muslim would ever do–so they murdered him.
Adrian Thomas says
God the adult version of a child’s imaginary friend
CogitoErgoSum says
“Years ago my mother used to say to me, she’d say, ‘In this world, Elwood, you must be’ – she always called me Elwood – ‘In this world, Elwood, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant.’ Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. You may quote me. ”
And so I do. The above is per Elwood P. Dowd in the movie “Harvey.”
gravenimage says
It is only Islam that is a threat.
AntiIlamicman says
Sura 9:29 Just sums up Islam for me, it’s evil and only the most foolish people would follow this madness.
eduardo odraude says
Here’s a brilliant and funny video by David Wood and the convert to Christianity (formerly an Amadiyya Muslim, passed away a year ago or so), Nabeel Qureshi, MD
The Original Burn the Qur’an Day:
gravenimage says
London: Young Ahmadis teach in the streets that Islam is a religion of peace
……………..
Of course, Ahmadis are oppressed or murdered by more orthodox Muslims.
Nevertheless, that doesn’t mean they don’t regularly whitewash Islam.
Warrenraymond99@gmail.com says
“The Ahmadiyya sect, however, is peaceful”
I beg to dffer.
The whole movement was founded for one purpose only: to destroy Christianity. Evidenced by the life and efforts of the founder of the Ahmadiyya sect, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who made this the purpose of the movement.
That doesn’t make them peaceful. They just don’t use violent means, but they came to destroy.
gravenimage says
They do still embrace the horrors of Shari’ah–they just don’t agree with using violent Jihad to impose it.
Krishna says
Ahmedyas in West are wierdos were instead of criticizing Islam they defend mainstream islam
Mixtli says
Hmmm…there’s an Ahmadiyya community here in central Mexico, they bought/rented a 2-story home just adjacent to St. Ann’s Church and they quickly put up a banner saying the same rhetoric of Islam is the religion of peace, yada yada yada and instead of naming themselves with the english word muslim, they use the spanish version, musulman. But there is no hub, in fact I’m sure Jehovah witnesses have more activity here than these Ahmadiyyas! lol….
CRUSADER says
So, what’s the benefit of being an Ahmadi ?
Infovoyeur says
Good grief, the Ahmadis as moderate… more peaceful? Read Demystifying Islam by one Harris Zafar. I struggled to write an amazon-review of it showing its lethal but so-subtle propagandizing. Gave up, it was so nuanced. Also see Qasim Rachid. These are NOT “peaceful” in that they may eschew kinetic force, but they do well in subversive jihad. I therefore am soooo confused, eh…
Sentinel says
These faux Muslims known as the Ahmaddis should first go and preach to the Sunni and Shia. Let’s see how far they get.
VultureTX says
Ahmaddis claim Jesus (Isa) was the son of God.
that’s not in the Quran.
janwog says
Amahdi does not prevent you to be persecuted by Orthodox Islam.
Fritz says
What “orthodox” islam? There is only ONE islam. And that’s the very same one IS follows TO THE LETTER. SOME muslims may refuse the violence but ALL OF THEM follow it anyway.
Because they will ALWAYS be blackmailed that only FOLLOWING THE BOOK TO THE LETTER makes a muslim a “true” muslim. As islam only thinks in absolutes.
Fritz says
The only “peace” that islam knows is the eternal peace of the dead. Islam only reigns “peacefully” over cemeteries. And the “House of Allah” is a mausoleum.