“The senior member of the world’s biggest Muslim organisation has insisted that Islamophobia is not rooted in racism and that the distrust of Muslims in many countries is a result of Islamist extremism and terrorism throughout the world…..He called for a rejection of Islamic orthodoxy, condemning it as ‘obsolete and problematic’ and ‘fuelling violence on both sides.'”
Yahya Cholil Staquf further stated that the All-Party Parliamentary Group on British Muslims was wrong to link the word “Islamophobia” to racism: “The truth, we recognise, is that jihadist doctrine, goals and strategy can be traced to specific tenets of orthodox, authoritative Islam and its historic practice.”
The concept of “anti-Muslim bigotry” is actual; the term “Islamophobia” is intended to silence critics of that jihadist doctrine. Yahya Cholil Staquf has had the courage to identify jihadist violence as stemming from Islamic tradition and teachings.
“Leading Muslim cleric says Islamophobia a result of Islamic extremism and not racism,” Barnabus Fund, April 5, 2019:
The senior member of the world’s biggest Muslim organisation has insisted that Islamophobia is not rooted in racism and that the distrust of Muslims in many countries is a result of Islamist extremism and terrorism throughout the world.
Yahya Cholil Staquf, the secretary-general of Indonesia’s Nahdlatul Ulama movement, which claims to have more than 90 million adherents, wrote in an article in Britain’s Daily Telegraph saying that the traditional Muslim mindset needed to change.
He called for a rejection of Islamic orthodoxy, condemning it as “obsolete and problematic” and “fuelling violence on both sides”.
The influential cleric wrote that the All-Party Parliamentary Group on British Muslims was “factually incorrect” in linking the definition of the word “Islamophobia” to racism, and that it was “counter-productive” to do so.
“The truth, we recognise, is that jihadist doctrine, goals and strategy can be traced to specific tenets of orthodox, authoritative Islam and its historic practice. This includes those portions of sharia that promote Islamic supremacy, encourage enmity towards non-Muslims and require the establishment of a caliphate. It is these elements – still taught by most Sunni and Shiite institutions – that constitute a summons to perpetual conflict,” he wrote….
Halal Bacon says
has a fatwa been issued on him yet?
PRCS says
He’s probably already in hiding.
lebel says
“Yahya Cholil Staquf has had the courage to identify jihadist violence as stemming from Islamic tradition and teachings.”
Taqqiya level: Mufti
mortimer says
And you, lebel, what is your taqiyya level?
Wellington says
Where’s your faith, lebel? This guy seems to be stating matters without any deception.
If that “third threat” I mentioned to you before can be taken out of Islam (though I don’t quite see how since it’s all over the place in the Islamic texts), then Islam would, effectively, no longer pose any menace to mankind—and to freedom. The authorization for Muslims to use force in this world to enforce Islamic dictates, examples being death for apostasy and waging jihad, is what makes Islam so awful. If the only things Muslims would threaten would be what other religions do, i.e., punishment in the next world and their deity possibly punishing some people in this world, then Islam would become largely innocuous. Other things would have to go as well, for instance, polygamy and mandatory hijab wearing, but “the big deal” is that “third threat” which is unique to Islam and what has made it so despised, deservedly so, by so many.
elee says
Applause for you Wellington,you have identified the most threatening aspect of this cult. That’s what this free and uncensored, even politically incorrect, inquiry does, it identifies and narrows the issues. We kafirs seem to have gotten pretty good results out of it over the past millennium or two.
That was one of two thoughts the posting stirred in me……that Muslims are wedded to their scriptures, and they’ve just made it worse with their swordpoint theology about abrogation, no innovation, no freedom to choose what passage of scripture one finds more resonant. And they aren’t interested in guidance from a culture that wrestled with some parallel issues, found a few theological workarounds, and managed a Renaissance and a Reformation in the process.
The second thought was expressed concisely by Halal Bacon in the post at the top of this thread. Thanks Halal Bacon. Every time I hear of some courageous Muslim expressing a doubt about the Verse of the Sword, I think what you’ve written, and I think it with caring and concern and admiration for the Muslim who thinks for himself or herself and expresses thoughts
despite all the above.
gravenimage says
lebel’s ludicrous claim–which he constantly makes here–is that if one recognizes that Taqiyya does indeed exist in Islam–which it does–means that we have to think that every Muslim is lying to every Infidel on all occasions and under all circumstances is absurd.
Taqiyya is *a tactic*. It is not used by all Muslims under all circumstances, as lebel pretends we think.
And Yahya Cholil Staquf has said similar things before many times over the years.
His main emphasis is to condemn Muslims who attack Indonesia–this is common among “moderate” Muslims.
Here is what he said in 2015:
“We are directly challenging the idea of ISIS, which wants Islam to be uniform, meaning that if there is any other idea of Islam that is not following their ideas, those people are infidels who must be killed,” said Yahya Cholil Staquf, general secretary to the N.U. supreme council. “We will show that is not the case with Islam.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/27/world/asia/indonesia-islam-nahdlatul-ulama.html
thebigW says
“This guy seems to be stating matters without any deception. ” Only problem is, Yahya ain’t explained how he can still be a Muslim without all that stuff (“orthodoxy” lol) that he’s supposedly saying is bad. And seems we should know by now that he CAN’T explain it. At least I know it fro criminy’s sake. Yahya don’t look like an idiot. What he’s got up his sleeve I’d bet is to fool people like Wellington. And looks like it worked.
Patti Labelle up above is daring y’all to say what I just said, and y’all’s too chicken. Why is it so freaking hard to TRUST NO MUSLIM NO MATTER WHAT?
elee says
When they quote the Verse of the Sowrd &c &c &c I believe them. When they quote the abrogated verses about “no compulsion in matters of religion
,” I recognize taqiyya. You’re right, you gotta study up to get a handle on this. It helps if you’re retired, or maybe “independently wealthy.” Doubt anyone described as a “moderate Muslim.” It’s hard to generalize about a billion and a half people, but to my mind, one who risks a fatwa to think and speak for himself is more likely to be credible.
lebel says
Thank you, honest jihadwatcher who is simply following through on the logical implications of taqqiya and Islam being evil. In other words if a Muslim acknowledges that Islam is the reason for the evil that we see, why stay a Muslim and continue to fool infidel with the myth of the “moderate Muslim” and why continue to swell Muslim numbers? If we find out that our religion is worse than nazism than why remain? why continue to work for a body whose aim it is to promote Islam?
The others are going to have to explain where they got their taqqiya decoder rings.
Signed Patti Labelle
mortimer says
Wellington has explained why Islam is so different: Islam is a political doctrine, ideology and a political system.
Anyone who resists the Islamic system of government is an enemy of Allah’s state and must be fought, arrested and executed. Muslims have a divine calling to execute HARBI KAFIRS for resisting Islam and to execute apostates who REBELLED against Islam.
No other religions are equated with a system of worldwide, universal government as is Islam.
Furthermore, Islam is objectionable because it removes the rule of law and puts the power of life and death into the hands of private Muslims due the LACK of punishment in Sharia for the murderers of blasphemers and apostates.
Individual Muslims are commissioned by Allah to be bounty hunters whom Allah rewards for their enemy scalps with sex slaves in Islamic paradise.
Parents may murder their own children, husbands may murder their wives and all Muslims may murder kafirs for various reasons and get away with it. Worst of all Muslims are commanded to commit acts of terrorism and rape in order to humiliate the kafirs and keep them in a state of constant terror.
Lebel denies all that because he is not being honest with us.
Emilie Green says
“The truth, we recognize, is that jihadist doctrine, goals and strategy can be traced to specific tenets of orthodox, authoritative Islam and its historic practice.”
Exactly, exactly, what JihadWatch has been teaching for its entire existence. That authorities are not listening to this man, learned as he is in Islam, or to Robert Spencer suggest that refusal to do so is intentional, and that these authorities do in fact want to do us in.
And that they are in fact are enemies. By their own choice.
elee says
Hear hear! RS tells An Inconvenient Truth.and gets poisoned for it, while liars get cushy academic chairs and government grants. Thank you RS!
antonia says
STOP PRESS … Big News! ‘ISLAM IS NOT A RACE’
The influential cleric wrote that the All-Party Parliamentary Group on British Muslims was “factually incorrect” in linking the definition of the word “Islamophobia” to racism, and that it was “counter-productive” to do so.
IT’S GAME OVER FOR ISLAM
elee says
Here’s hoping that you’re right.
simpleton1 says
It is all a game of hide the pea with 3 shells of “religiosity” which can hide behind “free speech” in a form of “blasphemy”, “racism”, and “culturalism” using western laws to ratchet up islamic power to a supremacist political position.
Just as a shell may go down, or is it a re shuffle?
Free speech is our safe guard, but it is being savaged and pressured down in many countries, as commanded by UN directives, like in the UN migration Pact, That pressure comes from the Organisation of Islamic Co operation. The OIC owe no allegiance to the UN Human Rights, but swear to the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights.
We must not underestimate islam. We must know it, and know ourselves, and convince many others, including muslims, of Mohammad’s “non perfection”, cruelty, merciless, megalomaniac war-lord.
Thank you Robert Spenser, many posters, and commentators in battling to keep “free speech” and freely giving us great information, sharing knowledge, giving inspiration and motivation in the fight of our lives and to the future.
Troy Laarman says
Sadly this man will likely be put to death as a hypocrite..Islam is Islam, at least he has the guts to admit the problem and to call to reject the violent mandates of Islam but that’s the problem. Take out the violence verses out from the koran and all you have left is a bunch of nonsense and contradictions.
gravenimage says
His main focus is in keeping the Indonesian state safe from Jihadists. He has been saying similar things for years now.
Spoor says
Too bad that this largest muslim organization don’t seem to have actual power to exert influence in the muslim world. In Indonesia they tried introducing Islam Nusantara as an alternative to orthodox islam but it faced heavy opposition and mever took off the ground. Even members of this organization such as the current cleric running with the incumbent for vice president shows fundamentalist tendecy, this cleric in particular testified against the Jakarta Governor on blasphemy trial and issued a fatwa against the governor. It is telling regarding the importance of fundamentalist muslim in Indonesia politic that the incumbent when choosinga runnning mate from this moderate muslim organization choose said cleric with fundamentalist inclination
Walter Sieruk says
Finally, at last, a Muslim cleric was honest enough to out right out and declare the truth . For Yahya Cholil Staquf stated that the All-Party Parliamentary Group on British Muslims was wrong to link the word “Islamophobia” to racism: “The truth, we recognize, is that jihadist doctrine, goals and strategy can be traced to specific tenets of orthodox, authoritative Islam and its historic practice.”
Thus, what is called “Radical Islamic Terrorism” , is very much based on religion. The religion of Islam For Islam’s “holy book” the Qur ‘an [the Koran] instructs on the use of violence and killing for the advancement of Islam. As found in ,for example 2:191. 4:89. 5:33. 9:5,111,123. 47:4. Furthermore, it may be illustrated that if Islam is represented as a tree then the fruits then the fruits of that tree are the many brutal, violent and deadly jihad terror entities. Such as ISIS, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, al Shabaab , Hamas, Hezbollah, P.I.J. etc. With this statement, the Wisdom of the teachings of Jesus may, very much, apply to this subject. For Jesus taught “Ye do know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.” After saying this Jesus told them what He told them when He said “By their fruit ye shall know them.” Matthew 7:16, 17, 18,.20. [K.J.V.] In conclusion, Islam is a corrupt tree and also a false religion, Proverbs 14:12. John 14:6. First John 2:22,23. 4:14,15. 5:12,13,20.
In addition, those cruel ,vicious and murderous jihadists thugs who compose the brutal and deadly jihad entity ISIS are actually putting in to the practice ,with all their ruthless actions, the violence and killing that is part of the teaching of the “holy book” of Islam ,the Koran. Which contain the doctrine of extreme violent force for the advancement of Islam. As seen in the Koran, for example,2:191. 4:89. 5:33. 9:5,111,123. 47:4. So in spite of the strong denials by many, ISIS is an actual Islamic organization. Likewise the malicious, bloodthirsty violence jihadists who make up ISIS are real Muslims. Nevertheless, there are some who might , understandably, wonder and then ask “Just how can those jihadists of ISIS ,being so very religious , also at the time also be so very malice-filled ,unfeeling and deadly ? “ The answer to that question is found in the Bible. For the Bible teaches that there are some people who are extremely heartless, cold, callous and dangerous because they have had “their conscience seared with a hot iron.” First Timothy 4:2. In this case of the members of ISIS this “hot iron” is Islam.
elee says
Thank you for your Christian scholarship, which is always appreciated. I dissent only with your applause for the imam’s candor. It isn’t that rare, despite all the scripturally-commanded taqiyya. ISIS, for one, and lots of imams, lots of mosques, have been perfectly candid about their theology. They quote the same verses that turn up here. Oh and when’s the last time you heard a “moderate Muslim” cite scripture?
gravenimage says
+1
krishna says
he is quite honest muslim
ntesdorf says
Yahya Cholil Staquf states:
“The truth, we recognise, is that jihadist doctrine, goals and strategy can be traced to specific tenets of orthodox, authoritative Islam and its historic practice. This includes those portions of sharia that promote Islamic supremacy, encourage enmity towards non-Muslims and require the establishment of a caliphate. It is these elements – still taught by most Sunni and Shiite institutions – that constitute a summons to perpetual conflict,”
Wow! How Islamaphobic can you get!
gravenimage says
Muslim cleric: “Jihadist doctrine can be traced to specific tenets of orthodox, authoritative Islam”
……………………..
This is true–I’m just surprised he admitted it. I hope he stays safe.
kuriakose says
Next logical step after his admission-leave islam (if he is honest). No need to go on rationalising it. A truly honest muhameddan will leave islam.
Alarchdu says
And a truly honest muhaneddan who did leave Islam would most likely face a fatal wrath or an orthodox, authoritarian muslim?
Geoffrey de Brito says
“The senior member of the world’s biggest Muslim organisation has insisted that Islamophobia is not rooted in racism and that the distrust of Muslims in many countries is a result of Islamist extremism and terrorism throughout the world…”
As most here know, Islamophobia is a LIE. Designed to shut down valid criticism. As a lie, it can only be ‘rooted’ in untruth. Whereas, “the distrust of Muslims in many countries” is known to all Muslims as the “result of Islamist extremism and terrorism throughout the world”.
“He called for a rejection of Islamic orthodoxy, condemning it as ‘obsolete and problematic’ and ‘fueling violence on both sides.’”
Not possible and within the context of Islamic tenets, blasphemous as well. Islamic orthodoxy is ‘rooted’ in Allah’s direct testimony in the Qur’an. To reject Islamic orthodoxy requires declaring that Allah is NOT the Qur’an’s author, which implicitly declares that Muhammad was either deluded or a liar in his most basic and repeated declaration.
Since nothing Allah has proclaimed but not since directly rescinded is his eternal testimony and, since fallible mankind is literally incapable of ‘correcting’ infallible Allah, not even a comma can be changed in the Qur’an.
So Muslims cannot sincerely reject Islamic orthodoxy without being blasphemers and Islam’s punishment for that is death.
Staquf has to know this, which makes him a liar, a practitioner of taqiyya. He sees that violent jihad is counter-productive and ultimately, threatens Islam’s existence. So he looks with disfavor upon violent jihad. His misleading lying however, makes him a practitioner of ‘soft’ jihad. Like the Saudis, Staquf favors pretending to be reasonable, while setting up his victim (the West) for the knife in the back…