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Germany debates ‘mosque tax’ to replace foreign funding

May 13, 2019 10:30 am By marc

By LEE NEWMAN

There is concern over foreign funding of mosques in Germany. This concern is a good thing.  The proposed solution is a mosque tax, similar to the voluntary Christian Church tax.

“Germany debates ‘mosque tax’ to replace foreign funding”,  AFP, May 12, 2019:

Support is growing in Germany for a “mosque tax” to make Islamic institutions less dependent on potentially anti-democratic or “radical” foreign funding sources, a media report said Sunday.

The federal government sees it as “a possible path”, according to an answer to a parliamentary query, the Welt am Sonntag newspaper reported.

Several of Germany’s 16 states had also signaled support in principle for the idea which would mirror Germany’s voluntary Christian “church tax”, the newspaper said.

Concern has grown in Germany about the influence of foreign funding sources on mosques for the country’s estimated five million Muslims, who hail mostly from Turkey and Arab countries.

Some 900 mosques in Germany are run by the Turkish-Islamic Union of the Institute for Religion (Ditib), under the authority of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s government.

Its imams are paid by the Turkish state, and the group has come under scrutiny with some of its members suspected of spying on Turkish dissidents living in Germany.

At the height of a bitter row between Germany and Turkey in mid-2017, two German ministers warned in a Spiegel Online commentary that Erdogan’s “dangerous ideologies must not be imported to Germany via certain mosques.”

In other cases, some mosques have come under police scrutiny or been closed for preaching radical and militant Islamist ideas.

Welt am Sonntag said that, in the newspaper’s own survey, several states had affirmed that mosque communities in Germany should be able to finance themselves…….

Read the rest here: france24.com

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  1. CogitoErgoSum says

    May 13, 2019 at 10:51 am

    Tax the hell out of the Muslims and use the money to cover the costs of increased security measures needed to be put in place because of them. They are fine with discriminatory taxes based upon religion per their own support for the Jizya.

    • Hans Munich says

      May 13, 2019 at 6:25 pm

      I think they want it made like the “Church Tax”,if you leave the Church you dont have to pay.So its not a real Tax.Also only a fe Churches are accepted as a “Church”.Islam is not accepted as a “Church” because they dont have the Organisation that they must have by law.
      So this is again a stupid idea.
      And did they think Turkey will not give Money when the german state help to take the Tax?

      ps:For the guys who aks how stupid germany can be.
      The Turks came because of pressure of the USA!Why?Turkey was needed as a Rocket Base against the Communists.Turkey was starving at this time so Germany was pressured to take Millions of Workers from Turkey(before from Italy etc).
      The Imams are only allowed to say what Turkey allowed!Before Erdogan it was not a big Problem.There were much more Radical Groups and Turkey wanted them in Jail.

      Also before this CIA,Germans and Islamists worked together because the NATO wanted the Muslims on their site against the Commies.
      https://www.amazon.de/Mosque-Munich-Nazis-Muslim-Brotherhood/dp/0547423179/ref=sr_1_1?_encoding=UTF8&keywords=A+Mosque+in+Munich.&qid=1557786074&s=books-intl-de&sr=1-1-catcorr

  2. Toader says

    May 13, 2019 at 11:01 am

    First. How the hell germans are so stupid to have 900!!! mosques directly financed by islamist Erdogan ?! I’m sure that this is only the tip of the iceberg,since the german authorities re notoriously opaque with such information!

    • andra says

      May 13, 2019 at 12:58 pm

      You should check the Turkish mosques in the US soon as possible. To my knowledge you also have uncount mosques in the States which are run by the Turkish Dyanet. Dyanet als has a French, a Dutch an Austrian, a Swiss and a Danish branch I know of.

      • gravenimage says

        May 13, 2019 at 4:05 pm

        Yes–this is a problem everywhere.

    • Sun says

      May 13, 2019 at 1:12 pm

      With 138,000 sq miles is Germany slightly smaller than Montana, the population is about 83 million, they already have 2750 mosques and Muslim prayer houses, 120 new mosques are currently under construction.

      In contrast, there are only 130 synagogues and prayer rooms in Germany today.

      Islam is visible everywhere.

      • gravenimage says

        May 13, 2019 at 4:06 pm

        Scary.

      • CRUSADER says

        May 13, 2019 at 6:55 pm

        That’s a high concentration of mosques in densely populated Germany!

        United States is about 28 times bigger than Germany. Germany is approximately 357,022 sq km, while United States is approximately 9,833,517 sq km. Meanwhile, the population of Germany is ~80.6 million people (246.0 million more people live in United States).

        Size of USA is 28 times bigger than Germany.
        Population of USA is 4 times more than Germany.

        So, there’s room for more mosques in the USA, then….

        For some parallel:

        Expect to see 3600 mosques in the USA if run by Turks, given the above ratio of people to mosques, using the above German figures of 900 mosques run by Turks… and to see 12,000 mosques in the USA in total given the 3000 mosques in total in Germany.

        How many churches are in the USA?

        ….30,000 congregations shut their doors in the United States (from 2006 to 2012) ….

        https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2017/september/how-many-churches-in-america-us-nones-nondenominational.html

        ————

        However, the first mosque building was most likely a mosque in Detroit, Michigan, opened in 1921. The mosque was located near the famous Highland Park Ford Plant, which employed “hundreds of Arab American men”. This mosque, which included Sunni, Shia and Ahmadi Muslims, was funded by Muhammad Karoub, a real estate developer.

        The oldest still-standing mosque in the U.S. is the Al-Sadiq Mosque, built in 1922 in the Bronzeville neighborhood of Chicago. However, the first “purpose-built” mosque, the Mother Mosque of America, was built in 1934 in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.

        In 1994, the Islamic Center of Yuba City, in California, was destroyed by fire set in a hate-crime, the first mosque destroyed by a hate crime in U.S. history. It had just been completed at cost of $1.8 million plus sweat equity of the Muslims of its rural community, including descendants of Pakistani who immigrated to the area c. 1902. Its story, including its rebuilding, is told in David Washburn’s 2012 documentary An American Mosque.

        It has been estimated that there were somewhat more than 100 mosques in the U.S. in 1970, but immigration of more than a million Muslims since then led to hundreds more being built. By 2000, there were 1,209 U.S. mosques, which rose to 2,106 in 2010, an increase of 74%.

        A 2011 study, The American Mosque 2011, sponsored by the Hartford Institute for Religion Research, the Association of Statisticians of American Religious Bodies, as well as the nation’s largest Islamic civic and religious groups, including the Islamic Society of North America and the Council on American-Islamic Relations, found that the U.S. states with the most mosques were New York with 257, California with 246, and Texas with 166. Through 2014, a building boom for mosques has been going on.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mosques_in_the_United_States

        • Sun says

          May 13, 2019 at 7:31 pm

          Let’s all hope that the Americans are not as insane as the Germans are…

  3. Westman says

    May 13, 2019 at 11:42 am

    Robbing Deiter to pay Amahl?

    • gravenimage says

      May 13, 2019 at 4:06 pm

      +1

    • CRUSADER says

      May 13, 2019 at 10:14 pm

      Right hand NOT knowing what the Sinister hand is doing….

  4. CogitoErgoSum says

    May 13, 2019 at 12:00 pm

    Taxing Muslims is a great idea. Any non-Islamic country which wants to remain non-Islamic but yet allows Muslims to live within its borders should place an extra (very high) tax on all mosques and Muslims. This is exactly what Muslims themselves want to do to people who are not Muslims (if the Muslims allow non-Muslims to live at all). So they have no room to complain about unfair taxes without revealing what hypocrites they are. I would take even another page out of their own playbook (the Quran) and treat them as vile and filthy creatures who should be treated as second class citizens (or whatever the lowest class is) in the country. Justice demands that they be judged as they do so judge. The extra revenue could be used to offset the damage done by Muslims and to compensate the victims of their terror attacks.

    • gravenimage says

      May 13, 2019 at 4:08 pm

      We don’t actually act like Muslims. We should not be paying for their Mosques, though.

      • CogitoErgoSum says

        May 13, 2019 at 4:46 pm

        Graven, I do recommend always treating people with kindness and consideration upon first meeting them. But when some people constantly return such treatment with contempt and abuse, I will ask them to stop but if they continue I will begin to treat them as they treat me. If they do not like being treated as they treat others they are always welcome to change their way of thinking and acting and to join me in my recommended way of living in kindness and consideration and if they express sorrow I will forgive them and accept them as my friends.

        • Agustina Saragossa i Domènech says

          May 13, 2019 at 7:07 pm

          I act exactly that way.
          My first attitude is respect the other; but if the other does not respect me, the respect I showed, disappears quickly.

        • gravenimage says

          May 13, 2019 at 7:35 pm

          I agree, CogitoErgoSum. I mean that civilized Infidels don’t embrace the barbarity of Islam.

        • CRUSADER says

          May 13, 2019 at 10:29 pm

          Why?

          Why stop at “sorrow”?
          Any deceiving Muslim can feign “sorrow” !!!!
          ———————————————————–

          Remorse, Repent, Atone —

          repent – to feel sincere remorse
          atone – to make things right

          To repent means not only to feel remorse about something bad that you’ve done, but also to stop doing it, especially for habitual actions, for example, if you continue to cheat on your spouse multiple time, and then your conscience moves you to stop doing it. To atone for something, is to make up for something.

          “Guilt and Atonement on the Path to Adulthood” – The New York Times

          https://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/25/science/25tier.html

          (Here is an experiment you don’t want to try at home. Show a toy — a doll, say, or a model boat — to a toddler and explain….)

      • Sun says

        May 13, 2019 at 6:04 pm

        +

  5. Spiro says

    May 13, 2019 at 12:36 pm

    Will the tax apply only to Muslims or to everybody on a volunteer basis
    If it’s for everybody on a volunteer basses the Muslims will for not pay but let the non Muslim suckers pay just to show their PC
    900 mosques in Germany ! Their insane

    • Sun says

      May 13, 2019 at 1:23 pm

      These 900 mosques are the mosques under the authority of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s government.
      In total, Germany has about 2750 mosques and Muslim prayer houses, 120 new mosques are currently under construction.

      And yes, you are right. They are insane!

    • gravenimage says

      May 13, 2019 at 4:09 pm

      This tax would be on all Germans. Since many Muslims are on the dole and do not pay taxes, fewer Muslims would be paying anything at all.

  6. andra says

    May 13, 2019 at 12:55 pm

    The Christian Church tax is not voluntarily. If you want to be part of a Church you MUST pay church tax. If you do not pay it – which demands a legal act of leaving the church – the German churches deny you get married or buried with the church´s blessing.
    Referring to the Mosque tax in Germany I bet that it will not work the way that the Mosque´s members will have to pay. It will become a General tax for ALL tax payers in Germany – and only few are Muslims – because it is a German guilt to pay for the Mosques.

    • Sun says

      May 13, 2019 at 5:29 pm

      I am not a lawyer, but I think there might be another big issue:
      To be able to implement a Mosque tax, Islam must be recognized by the German government as a corporation of public law. A corporation of public law must be compatible with the German constitution.
      How about Sharia law? Would this be recognized automatically too?
      How can they seriously put this up for discussion?

      • Sun says

        May 13, 2019 at 5:59 pm

        Why don’t they just forbid by law the foreign funding of mosques like Austria did?

        I am afraid that the German government will implement Islam and Sharia law by the back door.

        • andra says

          May 14, 2019 at 4:48 am

          I think you are right.
          The Churches are recognizes as clubs and therefore you can leave them. You cannot leave Islam so Mosques can not be equated to clubs. On this ground they cannot be accepted by German law.

  7. CRUSADER says

    May 13, 2019 at 1:07 pm

    France24:

    …..The interior ministry of the regional state of Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania had said it was open to “mosque financing based on the church model” to reduce foreign influence, including “the danger of possible radicalisation”.

    A spokesman for the interior ministry of Baden-Wuerttemberg state had also pointed to the threat of outside influence “on theological content and political opinion”.

    “In the worst case”, the spokesman had told the newspaper, this included “radical Islamist or anti-democratic content or aspirations”.

    FIN.

  8. keya says

    May 13, 2019 at 4:06 pm

    Too many mudslimes in Germany. So no wonder there are so many mosques.

  9. gravenimage says

    May 13, 2019 at 4:15 pm

    Germany debates ‘mosque tax’ to replace foreign funding
    ……………….

    I’m glad that Germans are concerned about Mosque funding–but having German citizens pay for this–essentially a form of Jizya–is no answer, I also doubt it will ensure that Mosques in Germany will not be “extremist”–because how could it?

    • andra says

      May 14, 2019 at 4:53 am

      Germans pay for the Islamic Invasion already, with both money and blood. The problem is that too many Germans do not mind. They are so full of self-hatred that they seem to enjoy the Islamic terror we already endure.

      • gravenimage says

        May 15, 2019 at 12:22 am

        I doubt they enjoy it, Andra–more likely they are in denial.

  10. Barbara says

    May 13, 2019 at 8:13 pm

    A Mosque Tax becomes messy, as some have written! Surely the best solution is to expel all Imams and immediately close down all Mosques and repatriate all Muslims so they can be blessed in their Sharia Law compliant Muslim countries!
    An incentive to repatriate could be the gift of a FREE one-way ticket to all Muslims with $500 – $1,000 spending money (it’ll be cheaper than them being on long time benefits)!
    The Dalai Lama recommended all immigrants be repatriated back to their home country on the basis that their acquired skills can be used to prosper their countries!

    • Sun says

      May 13, 2019 at 11:52 pm

      “Logical consequences are the scarecrows of fools and the beacons of wise men” Thomas Huxley

      The Dalai Lama is a very wise man.

  11. Shirley Ann says

    May 15, 2019 at 12:14 pm

    if German Citizens are not Careful, they will be the Ones Paying the “Special” Muslim Tax for their Guests of Allah! I understand the German People are already bearing the Burden for these”Guests”, but the Merkel Regime is Pro-Islam to the Hilt!

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