Al Jazeera reports that there is “no social backlash [in France] to anyone that holds Islamophobic views.”
“In March, a French woman wearing the hijab applied for a job at a lingerie shop, Etam, in the southern city of Montpellier.
“The woman, Oumaima, claimed her application was rejected because the manager told her veiled women would not be accepted.
“In a video posted on Twitter that has been viewed more than 240,000 times, Oumaima said she was a victim of racism and called for a boycott of the brand as she explained “how difficult it is to live, study, and work with a hijab in France.”
There are two separate reasons why it was perfectly legitimate for the manager of the shop to tell this hijabbed lady she would not be hired, as long as she insisted on wearing a hijab.
The first is the nature of the business.This was not a grocery store or a bakery but a lingerie shop. It is not “racism” for a lingerie shop to reject a hijab-wearing woman as a saleswoman. The nature of the product being sold — come-hither lingerie — clashes with the message of modesty that the hijab signifies. This was not an expression of “islamophobia” but a marketing decision. It was also a decision based on French law, which requires employees to show a ‘total neutrality” in their appearance.
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That Muslim woman might well have been hired by Etam– as the manager ought to have said — if only she had not insisted on continuing to wear the hijab, so off-putting to potential customers, while at work.
“Etam reacted quickly, issuing a statement right away saying the incident “does not reflect its values.”
“The manager was sacked and Etam called Oumaima to apologise.
Fearful of boycotts, Etam surrendered quickly to the threats, and made the manager pay for what had been a perfectly reasonable business decision and, as we shall see, was also in accordance with the law. Etam ought to have explained that there was a perceived “clash of values” — a kind of dissonance –in having a hijabbed woman selling its lingerie.
But there is another, much more important justification for the manager’s refusal to consider Oumaima’s job application. Etam, in the statement in which it announced it had fired the manager, provides the very reason that justifies the manager’s decision. For it reminds us that there is another reason why that Muslim woman ought to have been required to remove the hijab.”Employees must maintain a “total neutrality” in their appearance, in conformity with the El Khomri law of 2016. But also according to French law, an employer may not refuse to employ someone simply because of their religious beliefs.” (“Etam rappelle que les employés doivent appliquer une « totale neutralité » dans leur apparence. Une disposition conforme depuis la loi El Khomri de 2016. Mais dans le droit, on ne peut pas refuser d’embaucher quelqu’un en vertu de ses croyances religieuses.’) There is not a contradiction here: the manager told the woman, who had come to leave off her C.V., that she would not be hired if she insisted on wearing the hijab at work. We do not know, from the reports, whether the manager also explained to her that she would not be considered, not because she was a Muslim, but because she would be violating the requirement, in the El Khomri law, for all employees to maintain a “total neutrality” in their appearance. That includes too-visible religious symbols. That should have been enough to end the matter. It might have headed off the subsequent expressions of Muslim fury and threats of a boycott, that led to the manager’s being fired.
Now one wonders if the fired manager will sue Etam for wrongful dismissal, because all she was doing was following the legal requirement of “total neutrality” in the appearance of employees. And even if that law were for some reason held not to apply, there remains the question of a “business decision” that ought to be raised. Can the nature of a business (in this case, a lingerie shop) be taken into account in determining the suitability of a given job applicant? Consider this hypothetical: a French woman, unhijabbed and wearing slacks, applies for a job at a halal grocery. Shouldn’t the halal grocery have a right not to hire her, as someone whose appearance would be predictably disruptive for customers? How does that hypothetical differ in principle from the real case of the lingerie shop in Montpellier? It doesn’t.
mortimer says
What is the ‘race’ of a veil? What is the ‘race’ of handcuff or leg-irons?
What were the ‘races’ of Islamic slaves in the 1400-year-long Islamic slave trade?
If an Anglo-Celtic teenager joins ISIS, does he change his ‘race’? If he repents and leaves Islam, does the teenager revert to Anglo-Celtic? Is atheism a ‘race’ too? Is communism a ‘race’ too?
How does political Islam (a political ideology) turn into a human, then turn into a ‘race’?
ken barten says
Move over Londonistan….
Paris is the next major city to fall to the islam’s cultural jihad
mortimer says
Is a prison uniform ‘racist’?
PRCS says
And, had they been foolish enough to hire her, she’d likely have immediately demanded that the mannequins’ ‘adonrnments’ be fully covered.
Ashley says
OT:
Glad they nabbed him!
https://nypost.com/2019/05/22/new-jersey-man-arrested-for-plotting-terror-attack-at-trump-tower/
gravenimage says
So am I, Ashley!
gravenimage says
That story is covered here at Jihad Watch:
“NJ man arrested for plotting jihad bomb attack on Trump tower”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/05/nj-man-arrested-for-plotting-jihad-bomb-attack-on-trump-tower
CRUSADER says
Isn’t there a lingerie shop at Trump Tower?
owensgate says
Moslems are the biggest hypocrites the World has ever known. Try flying out of Riyadh or Jeddah on Saudia, it’s astonishing. As soon as the aircraft leaves Saudi airspace, the black shrouds come off, the lipstick and high heels go on, I’m saying, hypocrites all. And if the airline is not of an Islamic nation, the “drink carts” come out…
mortimer says
Very good points from OG.
Muslim women are seen to HATE the veil … then why should we tolerate it? Would we tolerate people walking around in a PRISON UNIFORM? No, we would not tolerate people walking around in prison uniforms, nor would we hire people dressed in prison uniforms in our shops and businesses for EXACTLY the same reason.
We do not wish to PROMOTE REPRESSION or ENSLAVEMENT or MISOGYNY nor do we want to be seen by others to approve of enslavement or misogyny.
Richard says
The problem is the alternative is seeing the lingerie shop fire bombed. The west is being destroyed because we won’t fight back. I have a friend who has a German wife. They just recently fled from Germany to Italy because of all the Muslim violence there. The Italians have caught on and are trying to reverse the Islamic invasion. There was a reason the Muslims were expelled from Spain centuries ago.
mortimer says
Partial agreement with OG who said: “hypocrites all”.
I would rephrase that: ‘Islam makes everyone into a liar, because Muslims have to pretend that certain parts of Islam are not reprehensible and embarrassing and KAFIRS have to pretend that they agree with Muslims in order to keep the peace with these highly VENGEFUL SUPREMACISTS who believe they must DEFEND Islam against criticism by using DEATH THREATS.
Islam clearly makes the WHOLE WORLD into liars. Anyone who refuses to lie about Islam is soon ATTACKED by Muslim VIGILANTES with the tacit approval of the mullahs,
FYI says
“moslems are the biggest hypocrites the world has ever known”
True:and this might surprise you but …Al lah himself says it…
The koran actually states that muslims are …hypocrites!
“lo!The hypocrites seek to beguile allah,but it is he who beguileth them.When they stand up to worship
they perform it languidly and to be seen of men,and are mindful of allah but little”
Koran 4 v 142
Al Lah is talking about muslims.he is not talking about infidels.
Note how muslims often like to “pray” in public,clogging up the streets with their displays of false piety,butts in the air
{“to be seen of men”}and it seems allah doesn’t approve of that:it is hypocrisy!
James Lincoln says
owensgate,
When I was active duty Navy in the mid-1990s I spent a fair amount of time in Bahrain while attached to CENTCOM.
The Muslim men from Saudi Arabia would come to Bahrain on weekends to drink alcohol at the bars. LOTS of alcohol. I saw this firsthand.
They would then go back to Saudi Arabia after the weekend was over and once again become a teetotaler – a “good” Muslim.
mortimer says
Let’s do some more surveys of bigoted attitudes, but this time … IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES.
1) Let’s do a SIMILAR survey about how JEWS are seen and treated in ARAB COUNTRIES and let’s discover the degree of JEW HATRED among Muslims
2) Let’s do a SIMILAR survey about anti-CHRISTIAN BIAS and BIGOTRY IN PAKISTAN and let’s discover the degree of HATRED towards CHRISTIANS among Muslims there.
3) Let’s do a SIMILAR survey about anti-INDONESIAN BIGOTRY IN SAUDI ARABIA and let’s discover the degree of RACISM TOWARDS INDONESIANS there is in SAUDI ARABIA.
4) Let’s do a SIMILAR survey about how JEWS are seen and treated BY MUSLIMS in EUROPEAN COUNTRIES and let’s discover the degree of JEW HATRED among Muslims IN EUROPE.
mortimer says
Further to Hugh Fitzgerald’s hypothetical question about the halal grocery … DO ANY HALAL GROCERIES or ISLAMIC BOOKSTORES hire JEWS dressed in JEWISH RELIGIOUS DRESS???
Has anyone seen ONE RELIGIOUSLY-DRESSED JEW working in a MUSLIM shop, restaurant or store?
Even one?
gravenimage says
Good question, Mortimer. Also, do they hire Christians, especially those sporting large crosses?
Shayelyn says
The lingerie store was set up.
gravenimage says
Spot on.
DirkaDirka says
Very likely, though she may have been hoping to score some lingerie to dress up the family goat so it looked sexy for her husband.
gravenimage says
Lingerie Shop In France Wouldn’t Hire Hijabbed Muslim; Complaints Of Widespread “Islamophobia” Follow
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The slave rag is not a race–ludicrous.
This manager never should have been fired.
Is the lingerie shop now going to hire this head bag, and watch their sales plummet? And how long before she sues them for more alleged “Islamophobia”?
Giacomo Latta says
The first thing I would do is install men-only and women-only doors to see if authorities would still love Islam.
gravenimage says
I don’t want to see any more bowing to Islam.
Ashley says
“In March, a French woman wearing the hijab applied for a job at a lingerie shop, Etam, in the southern city of Montpellier.
“The woman, Oumaima, claimed her application was rejected because the manager told her veiled women would not be accepted.
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This was an orchestrated ambush.
No Muslim in a hijab is going to submit an application to a lingerie shop.
Perhaps this terminated manager could have asked Oumaima “why in the world would you want to work at Etam? You do realize that we sell sexually provocative bras, thongs, teddies, etc., right?”
Again, Oumaima was looking for trouble…
gravenimage says
Yep.
Ashley says
Yeah. THIS is where Oumaima REALLY thought she could score her dream job.
Ridiculous!
https://int.etam.com/en_US/home
I see a trend here.
gravenimage says
Thanks for that link, Ashley.
CRUSADER says
LOWER YOUR GAZE !
AL-LAH IS WATCHING…. (What a Porn Fiend!)
*** Muslims – Sexy Lingerie, The Halal Way ***
http://lingerieformuslims.weebly.com/about-us.html
Beautifying Yourself for your Spouse —
In Islam were taught women and men should beautify themselves in front of their spouse. Marriage is not supposed to be some boring thing where all we do is look after the house and children. It’s supposed to be enjoyable. For so long in the Arab majority countries they banned women from wearing lingerie/underwear, Alhamdulillah that old belief has been put to bed in most parts of the world.
The Muslim woman makes herself beautiful for her husband by means of make-up, clothing, etc. In this way she will appear more beautiful and attractive to him, and make her husband, Allah willing, love her more. This was the practice of the righteous women of the pious predecessors, who used to devote their time to worshipping Allah and reading Qur’aan. Foremost among them was ‘Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her), although there were many others. They would wear fine clothes and jewellery at home in order to make themselves look beautiful for their husbands.
How we do it? —
We take lingerie ranging from intimate bras, knickers and stockings to everyday underwear from other websites and display the lingerie without all the models on them. The products are exactly the same and are not owned by us, all we do is display the same information and product minus the model. All products come from their original companies and none are owned by us, they ship from the company to your address.
This benefits the muslims because…
Husbands looking to buy underwear for their wives will not be looking at haram pictures of naked models
Women can shop online for sexy underwear without looking at the awrah of other women
We pray Allah rewards you for trying to avoid the haram that is unfortunately all around us.
Why we started?
“As a muslim husband it is very uncomfortable for me to go into any of the big retail stores with my wife and look at underwear with her, without my eyes being bombarded with naked women all around me on every single picture above every single bra on all the tags. I then have the discomfort of listening to loud music and trying to stop myself from glancing at the “toys” some of these places sell.
After this I decided these are not places I ever want to be, so I decided shopping for underwear/lingerie would be best online. To my shock it appears the online stores are just as worse if not worse just without the music, but still a heavy presence of haram things no eyes whether male or female is allowed to look at.
This brought me round to the idea of starting up a website which sells lingerie but not just any random lingerie, lingerie that muslims and non-muslims know and love. The hardest part was finding a way to make it halal for our visitors. Unfortunately there is still a haram aspect about the process in a sense that when you click on one of the links you are taken to the companies website which of course is loaded with naked models in bras and thongs.”
– Your Brother and Sister in Deen, Owners of Lingerie For Muslims
Lower your gaze!
By Allah be fearful when you find a product you like on our website, once you click it will take you the companies website you will be open to all the fitna of nude models.
Allah is watching us.
******
gravenimage says
CRUSADER wrote:
In Islam were taught women and men should beautify themselves in front of their spouse. Marriage is not supposed to be some boring thing where all we do is look after the house and children. It’s supposed to be enjoyable.
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Well, it’s supposed to be more enjoyable for Muslim men.
Given child marriage, forced marriage, polygamy, wife beating, marital rape, and “Honor Killing”, not so enjoyable for the wives:
“Palestinian Fatwa: The Husband Has the Right to Enjoy His Wife Sexually At Any Time”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/05/palestinian-fatwa-the-husband-has-the-right-to-enjoy-his-wife-sexually-at-any-time
Shosh says
U forgot that all females must be mutilated so that there can be no pleasure in physical union of husband and wives
JM says
That pervy Allah should STOP watching us!
Anjuli Pandavar says
Dunno. I kindof fancy the idea of a hijabi handing me my crotchless panties.
CRUSADER says
Naughty!
Oh, behave, baby!
Ashley says
LOL, Anjuli Pandavar!
gravenimage says
🙂
Jake says
Have a nun apply for the job. Then see what happens. Listen to the laughter. No one will apologize.
oldone says
The business was selected, so the followers of the cult of Islam, could play a whole deck of Islamophobia and “Victim” cards…The person who was victimized was the sacked manager…
mkcowan says
possibly an ‘industry’ developing here…hijab dressed women apply for positions they know they will not get…and then go legal with racism charges
Dano says
Bingo. Known elsewhere as the Ghetto Lottery.
Reziac says
Hadn’t heard it called that, but it’s a cottage industry in Los Angeles. (Literally — there’s a shyster with a wheelchair-using client whose sole business is finding businesses that are ADA-exempt due to grandfathering, then suing them for being ADA-noncompliant. They invariably settle and pay the guy his extortion, because it’s cheaper than fighting him in court.)
gravenimage says
Yep–I’ve heard of these disgusting cases.
Often these are businesses that are actually disabled-friendly and have had no complaints, but it turns out that their bathroom grab bars are a couple of inches too high or their ramps are too steep. Some of these things are easily fixable, but many are not, and so the businesses either pay up or are forced to close.
Reziac says
There’s no way this was some random muslima applying for some random job. The whole thing reeks of a sting operation of the sort that has plagued “civil rights” since the beginning: Target a shop you KNOW cannot reasonably have sales people wearing trash bags over their heads, and demand to wear your trash bag… scream discrimination… rinse and repeat until all the dhimmi are terrified of offending Muslim sensibilities.
Remember, the moment you give Muslims public assistance or other welfare, in their eyes you’ve paid the jizya and have become dhimmi, and will be treated accordingly.
Dano says
Muslims seem to be taking the same course of action as lgbt. They both go into areas or make demands that they know will result in conflict. They have their attack dog group ready and waiting to pounce as soon as any friction, that they themselves are the cause of, begins. Cue the lawyers and voila, you have ruined a business that was not political or hateful, but just trying to make a living. They love using some of our silly laws as a weapon against us.
endusersolutions2013 says
You got it
John Allan says
‘Consider this hypothetical …’ Hypothesis. But let’s not get pedantic.
Hugh Fitzgerald says
“Hypothetical” is both a noun and an adjective. Law school classes, and exams, are full of “hypotheticals.”
endusersolutions2013 says
I can understand how he mslima coyuld have been confused. French was probably not her 1st or 2nd language. So, perhaps she thought the store name translated into “Designer Sharia Apparel Outlet”.
J D.S says
This woman had no real plans to obtain a job in this store….She created just what she intended to do.
Governments need to pass laws that protect employers.
On another note….related or not…… it’s past time for old GEEZERS like Chuck and old BITTIES like Nancy to go..They would NEVER help to pass any laws that would help the employer or the PEOPLE for that matter when it comes to “the muslim situation”.
OLD GUY says
Conflict and disorder are the plan of attack by islam. She is just another sharia advocate who thinks everyone should change their life style and beliefs to hers as she is the only one who counts. People like her should go home to their sharia loving countries and stay there until they can except that they are not the that important to the rest of the human race.
Henry says
BOYCOTT THE HIJAB
Perhaps I know too much about Islam but the hijab makes me uncomfortable. To me it is much more than a garment. It tells me that the wearer is a devout Muslim, meaning that she believes in following sharia and the example of Mohammad. How can I trust someone whose god has absolutely nothing good to say about me, a Christian, an infidel? Whose prophet tells me that I am the vilest of creatures that deserves to be killed or subdued as a dhimmi? Therefor I don’t want to be served by a Muslim doctor, dentist, or pharmacist any more than I would like these services of someone wearing the swastika.
“God’s curse be upon the infidels! Evil is that for which they have bartered away their souls. To deny God’s own revelation, grudging that He should reveal His bounty to whom He chooses from among His servants! They have incurred God’s most inexorable wrath. An ignominious punishment awaits the unbelievers.” Quran 2:89-2:90
“Lord…Give us victory over the unbelievers.” Quran 2:286
“Lord…give us victory over the unbelievers.” Quran 3:147
“I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers.” Quran 8:12
Best and Worst of Creatures
Surely those who disbelieve from among the People of the Book and the polytheists shall be in the fire of Hell, therein dwelling forever; they are the worst of all creatures.” 98:6
Surely those who believe and do righteous deeds, they are the best of all creatures.”98:7
98:6 Sahih International
Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures.
98:7 Sahih International
Indeed, they who have believed and done righteous deeds – those are the best of creatures.
LR says
Yeah, it’s ‘smell a rat’ time. A hijabi applying for a job at a lingerie shop in France?
The term ‘racist’ is convenient, and a super-trigger that gets immediate media attention.
More hip, and less syllables than ‘Islamophobia.’
These Muslims know their media marketing.
Too bad so much of infidel civilization is caving in to gross threats, and manipulation.
George Guynn says
Islam is a funguscno less dangerous than black mold. England, France, Sweden are gone. Hungary and Poland are hanging tough. The next Democrat President will destroy the USA. The last one made Miniapolis the second largest city only to Mogadishu.