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Muslim theologian Nihat Hatiopoglu “converts” an unwitting Christian boy

May 31, 2019 10:15 am By Hugh Fitzgerald

In Turkey, a Muslim theologian, Nihat Hatipoğlu, known for his popular television shows during Ramadan, converted 21 people to Islam during a live broadcast. Among them was a 13-year old Armenian boy.
The only requirement for conversion to Islam is the recital of the shahada, which states ‘’There is no god but God. Muhammad is the messenger of God.’’
Hatiopoğlu claimed that the boy’s family had consented to the conversion, but his mother, Alia Y.,  said they had never given such consent:
“My child did not become a Muslim. We are Armenians, Christians. If I knew about it, I would [have accompanied] my child [to prevent him from being lured onto the program], but I did not. I was working,” the mother said.

A piquant aspect of the conversion of this young boy, Arthur, is that he apparently had been assured that if he went on the television show and participated, he would “receive presents and offered food.” He appeared on the show, unaware of quite what it was all about, but knowing there would be some sort of gifts at the end. Surrounded by 20 others reciting the shahada, he recited it just as they did, without understanding the significance of what he had just done. There is no indication that he had ever read a word of the Qur’an, or knew a thing about Islam, before he recited the shahada. For Turkish secularists, this was a farce in which a young boy was snookered. For devout Muslims, this was a perfectly acceptable conversion; there would be plenty of time, later on, for the boy to read the Qur’an and find out just what he was now expected to believe.

The mother insists that “he is a child, he made a mistake. He did not become a Muslim.”
Turkey’s Human Right Association’s committee on racism and discrimination has filed a legal complaint against Hatiopoğlu. And Arthur’s mother has contacted Garo Paylan, a Turkish-Armenian lawmaker who befogs to the secular, and predominantly Kurdish, Democratic People’s Party (HDP).
Paylan said on Twitter that he had talked to Arthur’s mother, who told him that she had not given consent for the young boy to take part in the television show. The lawmaker accused Hatipoğlu of abuse, and has said he would file legal complaints with both the country’s television watchdog and with the state prosecutor’s office.
Hatiopoğlu has been caught in a lie — the family never gave its consent for Arthur to appear on the show — but will no doubt deny it. He no doubt feels that because his higher purpose was to convert another Unbeliever, that justifies such little white lies.  And now we also know that this boy had been inveigled — tricked — into appearing on the show by the promise of presents (and food). He likely had no idea what was going to happen. There he was, in a television studio, full of cameras, lights, excitement, a young boy alongside twenty grownups, each of whom recited the shahada for Hatiopoğlu.  How could he, aged 13, withstand the pressure from the genial and determined Nihat Hatiopoğlu?  And there he was, in the midst of twenty others converting in front of him. In such circumstances, it is most unlikely that the boy would — the only one out of twenty-one– have declined to recite the shahada.

One hopes that the public prosecutor, who has been asked to look into this matter, will issue a report on the inveiglements of Nihat Hatiopoğlu, taking advantage of a young Christian who had no idea what he was getting into. One suspects that Arthur had not read any of the Qur’an other than the shahada when he “converted.” But in Islam, despite such total ignorance, recital of the shahada is all one needs for conversion to be valid. Many non-Muslims are unaware of just how farcical the “conversion” to Islam — a  conversion that requires no knowledge of the faith — can be. The outrageous story of the “conversion” of Arthur can help them understand.

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  1. josephine says

    May 31, 2019 at 10:23 am

    deceit to the T, what is new?

    • Brenrod says

      Jun 1, 2019 at 11:45 am

      Trickery and deceit or fundamental hallmarks of Islam and jihad

  2. Anjuli Pandavar says

    May 31, 2019 at 10:28 am

    If it easily happens to grown-ups, how much more so to children.

  3. mortimer says

    May 31, 2019 at 10:38 am

    Muslim theologian, Nihat Hatipoğlu, shows that DECEITFULNESS is normative Islam, rather than an aberration.

    Muslims imitate Allah ‘THE BEST OF DECEIVERS’. Allahu khayru l-makireena – Koran. 3:54; cf. 8:30

    – “Taqiyya permeates ALMOST ALL THE ACTIVITIES and dealings of Muslims with non-Muslim societies…” – a former sheikh Sam Solomon

    – TAQIYYA COMES FROM ALLAH = ‘By Allah! I would not rest assured and feel safe from the deception of Allah (la amanu limakr Allah), even if I had one foot in paradise.’” (Khalid Muhammad Khalid, Successors of the Messenger, translated by Muhammad Mahdi al-Sharif [Dar al-Kotob al-Ilmiyah, Beirut Lebanon, 2005], Book One: Abu Bakr Has Come, p. 99)

    TAQIYYA (lying to promote Islam), and KITMAN (telling half-truths to promote Islam) are NORMATIVE Islam, rather than aberrations.

    Be aware of and watch for the ISLAMIC TEACHINGS of TAQIYYA and KITMAN. Be vigilant and OBSERVE.

    • James Lincoln says

      May 31, 2019 at 11:34 am

      mortimer says,

      “Be aware of and watch for the ISLAMIC TEACHINGS of TAQIYYA and KITMAN. Be vigilant and OBSERVE.”

      Absolutely true.

      It is painfully hard for non-Muslim Westerners – who were brought up on Judeo-Christian values – to understand / accept the concept of Taqiyya used by Muslims.

      It is, however, absolutely necessary.

    • Reziac says

      May 31, 2019 at 1:23 pm

      So, next time you find yourself reciting the shahada…. remember, you’re just practicing taqiyya, same as does any Muslim, and it’s therefore quite acceptable to lie about having ‘converted’.

      Goose, gander, hot sauce.

      • gravenimage says

        May 31, 2019 at 5:54 pm

        Yeah–except that Muslims can kill you if you recite the Shehada with your fingers crossed…

      • Westman says

        May 31, 2019 at 8:26 pm

        Or you find yourself forced to write it as a school assignment by dhimmis who have no idea of what they have done; in complete ignorance of Islam’s core doctrines.

  4. mortimer says

    May 31, 2019 at 10:41 am

    It actually takes about 10 years of study to know what is in Islam, because it is so duplicitous and self-contradictory. Jewish conversion classes take up to two years of study. Christian catechism can take up to six months. But to convert to Islam … well … your head can be 100% empty.

  5. mortimer says

    May 31, 2019 at 10:50 am

    Like Fitzgerald’s article, but ‘SHAHADA’ is not in the Koran.

    The words “there is no god but He (God)”, are the exact words of Allah’s second-hand hearsay utterance in the Koran, given to Mohammed’s mind supposedly by an angel or a familiar spirit … during Mohammed’s séances or trances.

    The majority of Muslims were not satisfied with the Shahada given in 3:18 so they added to it the words: “and I bear witness that Muhammad is His messenger”.

    However, how can anyone ‘BEAR WITNESS’ to something of which THEY DID NOT WITNESS OR SEE THEMSELVES?

    STRICTLY SPEAKING … Muslims cannot ‘BEAR WITNESS’ to something they did not personally witness. Thus, the shahada is a outright lie … one of many obvious lies and contradictions of the rules of logic in Islam. By repeating such lies as the SHAHADA over and over and over, Muslims become inured to lying and it becomes perfectly natural.

  6. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    May 31, 2019 at 11:49 am

    And people had the nerve to criticize the Reverend Sun Myung Moon. His mass weddings were a bit much, but at least they were weddings, a thing is short supply nowadays. This TV personality dude is peddling Islam, in which marriage is a kind of muted servitude.

    Anybody remember the mass wedding in the Palestine Territory several years ago? Ah, the spectacle. 20-somethings with beards marrying 12-yr old girls done up as tramps with heavy makeup and fancy coifs. And at U.S. taxpayer expense, no less.

  7. joefxor says

    May 31, 2019 at 11:56 am

    They represent the People of the Lie. As simple as that . Humanity has been given many Masters and Avatars over the centuries…. the Christ, Buddha, Yogananda, Vivekananda, and several others. How confused, ignorant, and misled they are, being unable to choose a true Path, and teachings.

    • Lydia Church says

      May 31, 2019 at 9:19 pm

      Humanity has only been given God the Son, Jesus Christ, the second person of the Trinity.

      The teachings of each so called “master” contradict one another, so they could not possibly have derived from the same source. And mohammed is just another one that contradicts. Unless you have Jesus, the Jesus of the Bible, God incarnate… you are in trouble. The rest are nothing but a lineup of ‘pick your poison.’
      But alas… the world is heading for the one world religion under the antichrist, so of course they won’t listen to folks like me!

      • Lydia Church says

        May 31, 2019 at 9:24 pm

        Also, there is only ONE path to God, through Christ as Savior. We must repent and ask Him to forgive us of our sins by His shed blood on the cross.

        Jesus said HE is THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE, and NO ONE comes to the Father BUT BY HIM. John 14; 6
        Jesus also prayed in the Garden of Gethsemane “Father, if there is ANY OTHER WAY, let this cup pass from me…” (meaning the cross, as we know He went to the cross, so there was NO OTHER WAY, it would have been a shame if there was another way because He would have went to the cross for nothing… but there wasn’t any other way). For a Christian it is an insult to both the Father and the Son to claim that there are ‘other paths’ to God and heaven… and there are not.

        Acts 4; 12 “There is NO OTHER NAME given under heaven by which we MUST BE SAVED…”

        • Bob says

          Jun 1, 2019 at 2:53 pm

          This is what i mean when i say “NO organized religion has it right”, because under their reasoning only their belief system leads to God. This thinking is the VERY SAME thinking as islam, and with their belief the savior is Mohammed. These ideologies leave room for good, moral people to go to heaven. Trust me when i say this, God did NOT stop creation with Earth. There IS intelligent life elsewhere in this galaxy, as well as the universe. Does that mean that those beings are all doomed to hell because they were not blessed woth these two saviors? God has given mankind many ways to salvation back before the phone and internet. Only now can our thoughts be global in seconds. People in India, China, the Americas, and elsewhere had their own belief systems that led the way to their salvation. I believe in the words of the Nazerine, but also in the teachings of Budda and other important “profits” of the planet. I am not perfect (who is?), but i am a VERY good person. I love God and i KNOW he loves me. I dont know what the afterlife consists of, but i am sure i will bask in Gods glory because i have led an honorable life. I also FIRMLY believe that those that have followed the same morality codes that guide mankind to be just, kind, and respectable will be there along my side. There is good to be found in ALL religions and that should be our focus, NOT “we have it right and all you will burn in hell”. Wars have and are being fought over those very same words…sad

      • Carolyne says

        Jun 1, 2019 at 1:42 am

        I know Lydia Church means well but I don’t listen to folks like her anyway.

        • paul 316 says

          Jun 1, 2019 at 8:03 am

          Carolyne
          Lydia Church is right and you should listen to her. She speaks the truth and that is what you need, TRUTH. I pray that the living God will open your eyes and ears to the TRUTH so that your eternal existence will be in Heaven NOT hell.
          paul 316

        • Kay says

          Jun 1, 2019 at 9:52 am

          One might say that Lydia’s point is that Jesus is the only antidote for the poison that shows as jihad.
          Others decry the poison and still others point out that our laws themselves protect from the poison, if only we would uphold those laws.
          You don’t have to agree with Lydia. (That’s the beautiful freedom of Christ: you are invited, not compelled.)
          No mere human knows everything. We learn from one another.

        • joanofark06 says

          Jun 1, 2019 at 1:49 pm

          Satan would say the same thing….what a coincidence!

        • Bob says

          Jun 1, 2019 at 3:17 pm

          Joan
          “Satan would say the same thing”
          So now Kay is Satan because she doesnt believe as you do or has an opinion that differs from your own?
          Very small minded of you.

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 1, 2019 at 3:29 pm

          Joan, staunch Anti-Jihadist Kay is *not* Satan.

  8. No Muzzies Here says

    May 31, 2019 at 12:32 pm

    Their insane beliefs tell them that they can now murder him for leaving.

  9. Watto35 says

    May 31, 2019 at 12:48 pm

    That’s the only way they can get new ‘believers’, by trickery and lies. What sensible adult in their right mind would actually join a ‘religion’ like Islam? Of course they targeted a 13-year old boy.

  10. Joscefi says

    May 31, 2019 at 12:58 pm

    Poor child, Islam is a life sentence, with a death penalty for leaving. I doubt that Erdogan’s judiciary will rule against this islamo-fraudster.

  11. kaboooooooooooooom says

    May 31, 2019 at 1:01 pm

    Pervert Hatiopoğlu bears an uncanny resemblance to Fatah Controller Abbas (some perceive Abbas as a “Leader” – similar to Kanadians in Kanuckistan perceiving Trudeau as a Leader).

  12. Jack Cade says

    May 31, 2019 at 3:20 pm

    Please get it right–there is no god but Allah. Do not refer to Allah, AKA Satan, as God.

    • Anna says

      Jun 1, 2019 at 9:51 am

      Exactly!

  13. keya says

    May 31, 2019 at 3:35 pm

    I can understand the boy reciting the shahada. He is only a child. But all the other 20 grownups !! What were they thinking??

  14. gravenimage says

    May 31, 2019 at 5:57 pm

    Muslim theologian Nihat Hatiopoglu “converts” an unwitting Christian boy
    ……………….

    And what happens if this boy just quietly goes back to his Christian family? He and his whole family may be murdered by Muslims–something the dishonest Hatiopoglu of course knows.

  15. Salome says

    May 31, 2019 at 6:17 pm

    What about the surgical procedure that normally follows?

  16. Lydia Church says

    May 31, 2019 at 9:33 pm

    I recall a saying:

    God has children (Christians), but He does not have grandchildren.
    Each person must become a Christian of their own freewill.
    No one is ‘born’ into it by genetics, or infant baptism, because their parents are ‘Christians,’ etc.
    One must be born again to be a Christian. John 3.
    This term has been hijacked as so many others in establishment religion.

    As Christians, we of course are to raise our kids in the Christian way, teach them of the faith, etc. But we cannot choose for them, only they can do that. Every person must do that for themselves. It is a personal choice.

    But as Christians, we are responsible to do everything in our power to train our children up in the Christian faith, to learn the Bible and all about God. It is our responsibility to shield them from evil propaganda and perversion and false religion. God has placed the delicate eternal souls of theirs in the care of our upbringing, and it is not a job to take lightly. With that said, I would think that by now, the parents would have taught this child about the Christian faith, about the evils of islam, and how they differ, so that he would know right off the bat not to fall for that. He did, however, fall for the trap. No Christian can say that ‘shahada’ and still remain a Christian, he must now reconvert. Matthew 10; 32-33.
    Is he willing? Only time will tell.

    • Kay says

      Jun 1, 2019 at 10:04 am

      The true God knows there can be a difference between our hearts and our lips.
      “These people honor me with their lips but their hearts are far from me.”
      “Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God.”
      “Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly.”
      “He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears; but with righteousness he will judge the needy, with justice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth.”

  17. na says

    Jun 1, 2019 at 12:44 am

    Heavenly funded . Few of the recent converted got cars, money, gold, land , home, hair of prophets, camel, 72 goat etc. A local imam nearest my place recently challenged NASA and won the debate and proved that Islam is the true religion , holy religion.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 1, 2019 at 12:56 am

      na wrote:

      A local imam nearest my place recently challenged NASA and won the debate and proved that Islam is the true religion , holy religion.
      …………………..

      What are you talking about? NASA is not in the business of debating anyone on religion. Citations, please.

      • na says

        Jun 1, 2019 at 2:33 am

        There are many videos if you google imam challenging NASA scientist. And if you have any doubt about that video you can contact NASA to ensure whether that video is true or not! Once I had contacted but NASA replied that video is fake!

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 1, 2019 at 3:57 pm

          na, I searched for this on both Google and Yahoo using search words “imam challenging NASA scientist”, and have found nothing relevant. Do you have any links?

          An you yourself say that NASA is denying (obviously) that it ever claimed that “Islam is the true religion , holy religion”.

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 1, 2019 at 4:24 pm

          I did some more poking around using different keywords, and found this:

          “NASA confirmed Islam is The correct religion AMAZING VIDEO”

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdpJUGW3ot4

          It claims that Islam is true because Mecca is equidistant between the north and south poles, and that this is–somehow–based on the Golden Mean.

          This doesn’t appear to be the case, anyway–but assuming that it was, there are many other places in the world of the same latitude, including in India, Burma, China, Mexico, Algeria, Libya, and Egypt.

          Also, the concept of the Golden Mean much predates Islam.

          Note that despite the title there is *no* reference in this video to NASA at all.

          Was this the video you were referring to–or something else?

        • Kepha says

          Jun 1, 2019 at 10:44 pm

          Hmmph. Mecca is not on the Equator, and it’s all hooey that the US astronauts heard the Azzan when they visited the moon.

          And doesn’t the Qur’an 18 somewhere see Dhul-Qarnayn seeing the sun setting in a murky pool?

      • na says

        Jun 1, 2019 at 2:40 am

        I am dedicating a song for you

    • na says

      Jun 1, 2019 at 2:37 am

      * heavily

    • na says

      Jun 1, 2019 at 2:38 am

      *heavily

    • Westman says

      Jun 1, 2019 at 8:54 am

      Na, let us know when Islamists have a base on Mars. They won’t be able to walk there, in fact they won’t be able to even send a probe there unless working as a member of an unbeliever team like NASA, SpaceX, etc. With 20% of the human population and the Quran’s raising the value and status of the “unified” Ummah above all other humans, Islam has accomplished nothing but long-past conquest – and it claims it will rule the Earth?

      Don’t lie to yourself Na, Islam is hopelessly ignorant of the physical world and locked into 7th century thought. The Shahada was nothing but a declaration of who would lead a caravan-robbing gang and break out of the poverty of the desert; absorbing wealth by conquest. Muhammad promised great Jannah rewards to get men to fight for Booty or death. Instead of “liberty or death”, it was “Booty or death”. What would have inspired Muhammad to have a chapter in the Quran about the division of loot, titled, Booty?

      Muslims, now streaming into Europe, realized that their nation, under Islam, could never give them a better life and that relatives in Europe already had that much preferred life – and the door was open. This same migration for freedom and opportunity happened out of Europe, to America, in the previous two centuries.

      Muhammad built a social system that required subsidy by conquest and jizya. The last attempt to re-create this lifestyle was ISIS, which failed. If your Muslim nation doesn’t have oil, welcome to fighting over scraps – that’s the best Islam can give you in the 21st century.

  18. Jennifer King says

    Jun 1, 2019 at 3:43 am

    There is no god but God. Muhammad is the messenger of God. Wrong. Allah is not God.
    In Arabic and the Qur’an, God is always Ilah, Al-Rahman, the Beneficent.
    A llah is always and only Allah, ‘the god’.

  19. brane pilot says

    Jun 1, 2019 at 4:27 am

    Islam is like a deep cesspit.
    Getting in is easy.
    Getting out, is difficult.

  20. FYI says

    Jun 1, 2019 at 7:23 am

    A translation of that shahada..

    “There is no god but the pagan arab god Al Lah and muhammed, a self-confessed false prophet{al tabari 6;111} is his messenger”

    No Armenian should ever convert to islam:given the Genocide inflicted on their ancestors,that would be an insult to their memory.

    muslim theologian is an oxymoron:muslim scholars don’t even know that according to muhammed their god has 2 right hands,one leg,misunderstands Christian Theology{Christians are NOT polytheists},the koran has errors in it{even in the Arabic..}and gets science completely wrong,idiotically refuses to accept Moses was Jewish,denies Christ,tells muslims not to believe in God’s Holy Spirit of Wisdom k4:171….islamic theology is a joke!

  21. Anne-Christine Hoff says

    Jun 1, 2019 at 9:55 am

    A thirteen-year-old Armenian Christian living in Turkey should know that going on a show with a Muslim theologian is a bad idea. Thirteen-year-olds are teenagers with reasoning capabilities. Why were these capabilities shut off when he appeared on the show? He lives in Erdogan’s Turkey. One century ago his people made up 20% of the population; now they make up less than 0.2%. His guard should be up all the time. The family must be very poor, or the boy would not have been so enticed by the offer of presents and food. I am glad his mother filed a complaint with Turkey’s Human Rights Association.

  22. BVC says

    Jun 1, 2019 at 2:24 pm

    Completely trecherous…but i wouldnt expect anything less than that from the “religion of peace”. Next he will be branded an apostate for leaving the faith and beheaded.

  23. Arthur says

    Jun 2, 2019 at 3:36 am

    British children are forced to take a school trip to mosques and then recite something in Arabic, perhaps “shahada” and then become converts

  24. SAFI says

    Jun 2, 2019 at 10:06 am

    They’re happy to let you join Islam without knowing anything about that faith but then they’ll kill you if you ever try to leave Islam after you’ve learned everythhing about it. Poor hapless “reverts” who joined the cult, thinking that exiting it was going to be just as easy as entering.

  25. terry says

    Jun 3, 2019 at 10:59 am

    I’m sorry that swear words are not allowed.

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