Linda Sarsour said that Mohammed was the original feminist. She has an interesting idea of feminism.
Here, via Itamar Marcus of Palestinian Media Watch, is a Palestinian Authority fatwa whose feminism is simply breathtaking.
Sex on demand “at any time” is a husband’s right – this is what Palestinians were taught in the official PA daily’s religious ruling section yesterday. Moreover, a husband’s “right” to “enjoy his wife” sexually “at all times” supersedes the woman’s right to accept upon herself a religious fast:
“A woman must ask permission from her husband to fast, because the husband has the right to enjoy his wife [sexually] at any time, and it is obligatory [for his wife] to fulfill his right immediately.”
[Dar Al-Ifta, an official PA institution issuing Fatwas (religious rulings),
Official PA daily Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, May 15, 2019
All this goes back to Mohammed, who was more of a serial rapist than a religious man.
Ali reported Allah’s messenger as saying, “When a man calls his wife to satisfy his desire she must go to him even if she is occupied at the oven.”[Jami` at-Tirmidhi, Book 12, Hadith 15]
Your taxpayer dollars at work.
LLetto says
Though I never believed in cavemen, that religion is surely devolving into the Missing Link.
christianblood says
The concept known as “marital rape” is a product of Western fanatical feminism and it has NO basis in history, in scriptures, in other cultures, in religions and worldviews! The fanatical liberal West and its satanic radical feminists should stop spreading their degeneracy around the world.
(…Wives, SUBMIT yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. For the HUSBAND is THE HEAD of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives SHOULD SUBMIT their husbands in EVERYTHING…) Eph 5:22-25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOAGnZvuzsA
christianblood says
The video above is the difference between the traditionalist beauty and the new cultural marxist degeneracy “frankfort school” which is engulfing the West!
Benedict says
And the video is a mockery of the text from Ephesians you cited.
christianblood says
Benedict
The video is an art/music contrast between traditionalism vs present day radical hollywoodized feminism! This same radical feminist agenda has already entered into the psyche of Western churches today where the leadership of the husband over the wife, among other things, is questioned or outright rejected!
J D.S says
With wives as young as muhammad set the example…How could a wife resist the sexual advances if their husbands…..The submission mentioned in the bible DOES NOT give husbands the right to treat their wives as sex slaves….and read on in Ephesians…how are husbands really supposed to treat their wives.
christianblood says
J D.S
Show me from the Bible where it mentions “marital rape” commanding husbands not to ‘rape’ their wives! This is nothing but Western feminist construct! Don’t be deceived!
Renee says
Rape in marriage, of course it occurs. Just because you are married does not mean that you can have whatever sex you like and when and where you like it and that your wife must submit to that. The bible does not say that explicitly, but does state to love your neighbour as yourself, for husbands to submit to Christ and sacrifice for their wives and honor them, Honoring your wife is not treating them as if they are an open-sex station. And Christ would never say “whenever, wherever, however, even if she is not up to it” I know of a case where a christian man demanded sex after his wife had major surgery and was in pain, because he had the “right”. One more wakerupper, christianblood, you are just appointed head (protector) of YOUR wife only, (oh poor thing). Other women are not subject in any way to you, thank heaven!
SweetOlBob says
Why do you think hat feminine genital mutilation is so popular with the ragheads. Old Abdul doesn’t want everyone to know that he cant satisfy a woman, so he mutilates her so she can’t tell the difference. He knows that the women would make fun of his “wham-bam” if they could compare notes.
They might sew little bunny rabbit tails on the night shirt they all wear.
“Keep the car running, Rajah. I’ll just be a minute.” HEH !
gravenimage says
The appalling christianblood wrote:
The concept known as “marital rape” is a product of Western fanatical feminism and it has NO basis in history, in scriptures, in other cultures, in religions and worldviews! The fanatical liberal West and its satanic radical feminists should stop spreading their degeneracy around the world.
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christianblood has said this before–that women not wanting to be raped is “fanatical”.
Recently when I called him out on his demanding that God allow Muslims to conquer the West, he then demanded that God “start from gravenimage”. When I pointed out that this would likely mean that Muslims would gang rape and behead me, he said that my not wanting to submit to this meant I was resisting the Truth of Christ.
More:
(…Wives, SUBMIT yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. For the HUSBAND is THE HEAD of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives SHOULD SUBMIT their husbands in EVERYTHING…) Eph 5:22-25
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Here is what Ephesians 5:22-25 actually says:
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Eph%205:22-25&version=KJV
Notice that christianblood left out that pesky bit about husbands loving their wives. But of course he did–this doesn’t fit in with his claims that Christianity teaches rape.
He has also said that women have no right to go to the police or courts if their husbands are beating them or even threatening to kill them–that they instead should have to “protect” their abusers.
christianblood has also condoned child marriage.
So–he spouts apologia for pedophilia, forced marriage, wife beating, rape, and “Honor Killing”–all horrors under Islam. Not wonder he wants to see us all conquered by Muslims.
More:
The video above is the difference between the traditionalist beauty and the new cultural marxist degeneracy “frankfort school” which is engulfing the West!
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Actually, there is *nothing* in that video that implies that traditional women relish the idea of being raped, nor that traditionalist men are rapists. This is, in fact, utter calumny.
As for this supposedly being the difference between–what? Russia and the West? It is absurd. I could just as easily post beautiful classical Western videos and contrast them with brutal Russian rape porn–but that wouldn’t really tell you anything of substance about the two places, either.
Besides, it is christianblood who is lauding marital rape as a traditional value. This is only true in his own sick mind.
Seems that he–as is often the case–has a great deal in common with barbaric Muslims.
christianblood says
gravenimage
The concept of “marital rape” is a false Western feminist invention and has absolutely NO basis in human history, religions or scriptures!
Get over it!
gravenimage says
christianblood loves rape–and he is sticking to it!
His pretending that Christianity is in favor of men raping and beating their wives is especially grotesque.
He still ignores the centrality of love in Christian marriage–because this doesn’t fit his sick world view.
Russia recently decriminalized wife beating–christianblood must be so proud:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-decriminalise-domestic-violence-vladimir-putin-ultra-conservative-family-laws-a7541371.html
gravenimage says
Notice that christianblood *still* will not say anything negative about pedophilia, forced marriage, wife beating, rape, or “Honor Killing”–but then, why would he?
christianblood says
gravenimage
Of course I am totally against pedophilia, forced marriage, wife beating, rape, or Honor Killing. BTW, those islamic savageries are daily occurrences in Saudi Arabia, the US’s closest ally in the Arab/Islamic world!
I am also against the inventions of your cultural marxist friends such as
“marital rape”, transgenderism, LGBTQ, abortion, political-correctness and indoctrination of hundreds of millions of school kids into those social degeneracies!
mortimer says
GI, I have met many cowardly pseudo-thugs like the Bloodthirstypseudochristian. They are detestable, primitive savages using any excuse to push their sociopathy into action. They are execrable back-stabbers and genocidists capable of any crime against humanity.
The medieval Bloodthirstypseudo-christian is a shame and disgrace to this web forum.
Vivien Hall says
Christianblood is a muslim. Why do you think he has a name like that? He is a misinformed muslim who learnt this misinformation at his mosque. They are taught many lies about the Bible and Christianity.
gravenimage says
christianblood wrote:
gravenimage
Of course I am totally against pedophilia, forced marriage, wife beating, rape, or Honor Killing.
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The above is not true. christianblood refused to say anything negative about child marriage in Chechnya.
Then, as I noted, he said that women should not be allowed to go to the police or courts if beaten, but should instead protect their abusers. He has in fact repeated this.
Has christianblood changed his mind about this? Unlikely. More likely, he just realizes how bad this looks to the Anti-Jihadists here at Jihad Watch, and so now is backpedaling.
More:
BTW, those islamic savageries are daily occurrences in Saudi Arabia, the US’s closest ally in the Arab/Islamic world!
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Why does christianblood continue to pretend that Jihad Watch is for the horrors of Shari’ah in Saudi Arabia, and that Anti-Jihadists here support it? This is just calumny.
Here is just one recent story covered here:
“Saudi sisters flee father and brothers who beat them: ‘I was like a prisoner’”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/02/saudi-sisters-flee-father-and-brothers-who-beat-them-i-was-like-a-prisoner
Does that sound as if Jihad Watch supports this Muslim savagery? Of course not.
There are many more such stories at Jihad Watch.
More:
I am also against the inventions of your cultural marxist friends such as
“marital rape”, transgenderism, LGBTQ, abortion, political-correctness and indoctrination of hundreds of millions of school kids into those social degeneracies!
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Just like Muslims, christianblood is obviously a big advocate of men raping their wives. *Ugh*.
And while a lot of the LGBTQ and transgenderism can get pretty silly, note that christianblood is an advocate of Muslims slaughtering gay people–he has refused to say anything negative about Muslims murdering those accused of being gay in Iran, Brunei, and Chechnya.
He has, in fact, said that Jihad terrorism is not a threat–but that non-violent gay parades in the West *are*.
And no–abortion was not invented in the West–nor are rates of abortion highest in the West.
It is actually Russia–which christianblood constantly lauds as spiritual in all its actions–where rates of abortion are the highest in the world:
“Russia: world’s highest rate of abortions”
https://www.iol.co.za/dailynews/lifestyle/russia-worlds-highest-rate-of-abortions-1176756
gravenimage says
Mortimer, you are right that christianblood is a nasty piece of work.
Vivien, christianblood has claimed that he is a Christian–and this may be so. But besides the Islamophilic awfulness from him above, he also screams “God bless Hezb’allah!”, is in favor of Iran and Hezb’allah treating Christians as dhimmis, and says that any Christians persecuted in Iran must be “American spies”. He has even said that Jihad terror attacks–including those against Christians–are not a threat. None of this sounds as though he cares about Christians.
christianblood says
Vivien Hall
You are calling me a muslim for pointing out the fact that the concept of “marital rape” is a Western feminist invention? What a rot!
Show me from the scriptures where the Bible commands husbands
no to commit ‘marital rape’ against their wives or keep swimming in your satanic Western feminist utopia!
Raja says
Gravenimage,
CB has lost his mental balance.
Just because the bible does not mention a millions things a Christian SHOULD NOT be doing DOES NOT MEAN THAT a Christian is automatically licensed to do what he desires.
CB has got everything wrong about Christianity just like Muslims.
May be he is no Christian at all as some wise guy/girl has suggested.
christianblood says
Raja
You are another sold out!
Listen: the concept of “marital rape”
is purely a feminist concept invented by Western feminists not a long time ago! IT IS NOT A CHRISTIAN CONCEPT. IT IS A CHEAP WESTERN FEMINIST CONSTRUCT AND IT DOES NOT EXIST ANYWHERE OUTSIDE OF THE POSTMODERNIST, WESTERN SECULAR WORLD!
JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE: IS THE SO-CALLED “GAY MARRIAGE” ALSO A CHRISTIAN CONCEPT OR IS IT WESTERN, LIBERAL SECULARIST INVENTION? IS THE “LGBTQ” DEGENERACY A BIBLICAL CONCEPT TOO? YOU THINK SO, LOOSER?
NOOO! THESE DEGENERATE THINGS ARE NEW WESTERN LIBERAL INVENTIONS AND SO IS THE SO-CALLED “MARITAL RAPE” ISSUE.
IT IS A WESTERN, FEMINIST DEGENERATE SHITHOLE INVENTION!
gravenimage says
christianblood wrote:
Vivien Hall
You are calling me a muslim for pointing out the fact that the concept of “marital rape” is a Western feminist invention? What a rot!
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christianblood may or may not be Muslim, but he *certainly* condones Muslim rape–including Muslim men raping their wives.
More:
Show me from the scriptures where the Bible commands husbands
no to commit ‘marital rape’ against their wives or keep swimming in your satanic Western feminist utopia!
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Now he is saying that thinking that men raping women is a bad thing is *satanic*. **Good lord**…
gravenimage says
Yet more from christianblood, in reply to Raja:
You are another sold out!
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Not condoning rape is now “selling out” as he sees it. *Good God*.
More:
Listen: the concept of “marital rape”
is purely a feminist concept invented by Western feminists not a long time ago! IT IS NOT A CHRISTIAN CONCEPT. IT IS A CHEAP WESTERN FEMINIST CONSTRUCT AND IT DOES NOT EXIST ANYWHERE OUTSIDE OF THE POSTMODERNIST, WESTERN SECULAR WORLD!
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Where does the Bible tell men to assault and rape their wives? Of course it does not–what absolute calumny.
And note how very passionate christianblood is over the idea that anyone here might *not* agree with him over how “satanic” it is to reject the horrors of rape–he is screaming in ALL CAPS.
Notably, he has never been angry about Jihad or Shari’ah like this–but suggest that his raping women is a bad thing and he just loses it. Wow.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Raja. Good post.
Indiana Tom says
I see Christian blood has never really sat down and actually read the bible. Maybe the orthodox types should read it versus kissing it.
del says
That comment writer does not capitalize the 1st letter of his moniker.
christianblood says
Indiana Tom
I do read the Bible carefully Indiana but the fact is Western Christianity is deeply corrupted by secular liberalism and feminism and that is why you see so many churches and ‘Christians’ in the West believing these UN-christian teachings like “marital rape”, abortion, LGBTQ etc, etc! You Can’t find a single Orthodox Church anywhere in the world which doing, permitting those immoral, unbiblical things! What does that tell you?
Westman says
“Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.” Cor 13:4-7
Any beast can have his “own way”. However most writings in the Bible about Christian wives “submitting” are in leadership letters to the churches. None of them has the imprimatur of revelation from God and are advice, not God’s commands.
gravenimage says
Note that when christianblood pretended to quote Ephesians 5:22-25 above, he deliberately left out any mention of husbands loving their wives.
christianblood says
Westman
I agree with your love scriptures and would add that a good Christian husband would love his wife and would NEVER do anything that will hurt her in any way, shape or form! In the same way a good Christian wife should submit to her husband and respect him and honor him as the head of the household and try not to be a nagging, complaining and disrespectful wife! No one will be perfect but these principals are given as guide lines to live by.
Raja says
Indiana Tom,
Your comment :
I see Christian blood has never really sat down and actually read the bible. Maybe the orthodox types should read it versus kissing it.
Is simply hilarious…. LOL but CB would be happy to know that I could not laugh out loud as my wife and children would be disturbed and my wife would repeat: You are going to get killed by Muslims.
gravenimage says
I see that christianblood was finally called out by so many Anti-Jihadists here that he decided to backpedal.
Does he still hold that women who are being beaten have no right to seek protection, but instead have to protect their abusers? Or will will he backpedal on that, as well?
This is one of those rare times when asking “are you still beating your wife?” really does grimly apply.
christianblood says
gravenimage
Martial rape concept is a new feminist invention and it has nothing to do with the Bible and Christianity! It is in league with “gay marriage” and LGBTQ agenda! If Christian love rules at home, there can NO rape within a marriage! Satanic Western feminists who demonize men and hate men and children cannot be trusted and their agenda is purely satanic!
christianblood says
Raja
WESTERN CHRISTIANITY IS CORRUPTED, MORALLY COMPROMISED AND LIBERALIZED BY SATANIC HOLLYWOOD! TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, YOU CAN’T FIND A SINGLE ORTHODOX CHURCH ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD WHERE “GAY MARRIAGE” IS PERFORMED OR WHERE THERE IS A “GAY” PASTOR/PRIEST! WESTERN CHRISTIANITY IS COMPLETELY COMPROMISED AND IS TOTALLY IRRELEVANT! SHAME! SHAME!
gravenimage says
No–raping one’s wife is not an example of Christian love. How twisted.
*This* is why christianblood will not say anything against this Fatwa.
Kay says
@christianblood
Jesus: “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great ones are tyrants over them. 26 It will not be so among you; but whoever wishes to be great among you must be your servant, 27 and whoever wishes to be first among you must be your slave; 28 just as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life a ransom for many.”
Try to be like Mary. It is our sorrow if we give Christianity a bad name.
christianblood says
gravenimage
An honorable and true Christian wife should be willing to provide her body to her loving husband for sexual pleasure whenever and however he wants it and vice versa! This does not mean that a Christian husband should demand sex when his wife is not ready for it or don’t want it due to many, many different life circumstances! Let common sense and Christian love rule the matter!
gravenimage says
If what christianblood wrote in his May 19 post at 11:35 pm were all he believed, then he would obviously not be so enraged over us opposing marital rape.
Hugh Fitzgerald says
Orthodox Islam – Qur’an 2;223: ‘Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like.’
Could Lina Sarsour tell us what she thinks of Qur’an 2:223?
That verse — the fields, or your tilth, and the implied plowing metaphor, puts me in mind of a verse in “Lolita” which I remember as going like this:
Happy happy is gnarled McFate,
Touring the states with his child wife.
Plowing his molly in every state,
Among the protected wild life..
mortimer says
There is no need for Sarsour to express her opinion. Sarsour could simply read the fatwas to her audiences, but she won’t. Sarsour is lying to her pollyannish, Leftarded audience and they eat up her lies with a spoon and ask for more. They are as ignorant of Islam as they are of the thorium fuel cycle.
The MULLAHS have explained every word in the Koran and hadiths in excruciating detail. Sarsour is a self-calculated liar and is seen to be such.
Wellington says
Holy Hell, why is this decrepit religion still around?
Westman says
It’s useful for the men.
Well, if they can’t succeed in taking their jihad frustrations out on the Israelis, there is always the camel saddle….
Wellington says
But you’d think by now, Westman, that no woman would, a la West Virginia speak, “pay this religion never no mind.”
I think we have a terrible, centuries-long, massive case of Stockholm Syndrome.
Westman says
Any normal American woman would leave these, “men”. Perhaps, it is Stockholm Syndrome plus fear since there is no punishment in Islam for killing any Muslim who goes apostate by not complying.
Another reason – the maternal instinct to preserve the children being more important than the quality of the mother’s life. Once she is with child, she is locked in since there will be no support from the community unless she is compliant, and her “community” is likely, even in the US, to be a sub-geographic area populated by only her same religious ethnicity.
Demsci says
Logical reasoning of Westman about women “locked in”, once with child. Years ago already there were these articles in Dutch media that a large portion, maybe 1/4 or more, of Moroccan women in Holland stayed single longer and longer. And did not want to marry Moroccan men! No doubt the single women did not want to get “locked in”.
The other decisive factor for women staying single is the level of education, status if you will, of women and that of available partners (or lack thereof). High educated women do not want low educated men. And in Holland the number of high educated Moroccan and Turkish women is higher than that of the men of the same origines (girls learn better than boys apparently, at least among those ethnicities).
And although in the past culture-choice was almost all decisive, it is now estimated that 11 % of Dutch Moroccan women has a Dutch partner.
But ….. I don’t know what part of THAT group has a converted or unconverted partner!?
I do know that the very successful and in Holland very popular soccer player Robin van Persia is married to a Moroccan lady and that he is converted.
gravenimage says
Westman wrote:
It’s useful for the men.
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Westman, I don’t think that you or Wellington or Daniel Greenfield or Hugh Fitzgerald or any other decent man here thinks like this (I am not, of course, including christianblood in this civilized group).
Westman says
I should have not assumed, and made it clear: Muhammad made it useful for the Muslim males just as he created a carnal heaven(Jannah) as incentive to be a conquering horde on his command. Die as a martyr and get many women who cannot refuse and all the food, drink, and servants a jihadi would ever want. Of course, it’s all baloney – except for the earthly Mulimas who are locked into servant status.
gravenimage says
So true, Westman.
Terry Gain says
Holy Hell, why is this decrepit religion still around?
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It’s still around because too many well-intentioned people insist it is a religion rather than a barbaric, supremacist, totalitarian, political, conquest ideology
Westman says
You’ve described the exact nature of Islam’s origin and its originator. Islam is the RELIGION OF CONQUEST. This presents real problems for the few Muslims who want a moderate or reformed religion.
The “Muslim” scriptures promote conquest in both religion and the civil robbing of booty from unbelievers. Without a new prophet to give abrogating revelation, nothing in Islam can be changed. Baha’i is an example of that attempt and is persecuted by mainstream Islam, especially by Iran.
Demsci says
Yes, religion of conquest. And what happens when conquest is no longer possible? DECLINE! Many Islamic countries are so poor, backwards.
I do recall that it was once said that the Roman Empire also had its problems once it could no longer expand. Under the republic and early empire it had consistently expanded with conquest. But in later centuries of course it was invaded itself, especially the Western part. But it had had a good long run.
Nowadays in European countries Muslims may consider themselves at peace with society only and especially because society takes care of all their illnesses, elderly and children and other needs and allows them also to send money to poor relatives. And I suppose many of them are loath to give up that goose with the golden eggs.
But beware if deep recession or war reaches Western Europe!
gravenimage says
Terry, the implication that the practice of Islam has nothing to do with devout Muslims, but only with Infidels not having declared it a non-religion makes no sense.
Islam actually still exists because Muslims continue to adhere to it. They do so because of the diktats of Islam itself–not because of what Infidels have to say about it one way or another.
Terry Gain says
Freedom of religion is a fundamental American value. So long as Islam is regarded as a religion rather than as a supremacist, totalitarian, political, conquest ideology, America will not have the wherewithal to defeat Islam.
gravenimage says
Terry, as I have noted before, things like waging violent Jihad and imposing Shari’ah law are *not* legal in the United States, nor protected by the First Amendment.
And we have defended against Islam for many centuries–often very successfully–while considering Islam to be an evil religion.
It would not just go away if we were to pretend that it is something else.
Demsci says
In Holland Geert Wilders propagates the same idea as Terry. And of course the reason is that we feel so blocked by these laws about freedom of religion. Which did make sense in Europe after the devastating thirty years war in Germany and the eighty years war in the Low Countries which both ended in 1648. When the big religions were Catholicism and Protestantism (and it;s many versions).
Mind you though, that in England, from I think 1540, to 1830, the Catholics were definitely discriminated against. With prohibitions on them acquiring land and power.
And in 5th century Persia Christians were discriminated against by Zoroastrian Kings.
Bosch Fawstin, I noticed, had the intriguing idea that somehow “religion” was unduly protected.
I think in a democratic society there are grounds to at least mildly discriminate against Muslims by law. Due to their sacred texts and international ties, they should be monitored and even tested on loyalty and that they should be refused as immigrants for being Muslims.
And that is because I think religion is a choice, for which an individual can be held accountable.
gravenimage says
Demsci, I don’t think we need to change our laws for Muslims–I think we need to start vigorously enforcing the civilized laws that we have.
Westman says
If Muslim women really fall for this absurdity then why is Pakistan the porno viewing center of the world? Had too much trouble with camel saddles and then gave up? Aisha knew the game was fixed, with convenient revelations, when she told Muhammad that, “you’ve turned women into dogs and donkeys”.
US Feminists only hate(misandry) US white men, having no real experience with immigrant Muslim men. Europe is getting a lesson, on steroids, about the male Muslim view of unbelieving women; females to whom they assign disgusting vulgar labels and see as usable objects.
US feminists are still unaware that they have been hijacked by Linda Sarsour, whose intent is to: Open the opportunity for Muslim men to compete for US brides and herd them into subjugation under Islam, and conditioning US women to accept the limitations posed by Islam as a , “blessing”.
gravenimage says
Palestinian Fatwa: The Husband Has the Right to Enjoy His Wife Sexually At Any Time
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In other words, *marital rape*. This is, of course, orthodox Islam–that no woman has the right to refuse demands of sex.
Kay says
It is rape, and worse than that. It is an overall attitude— not that a wife is respected partner and friend but is a thing to be used.
The feeling of superior being/less worthy will be strengthened in each gender, made even worse because it is enforced systematically.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Kay. Muslims can marry up to four women, including little girls. Forced marriage is accepted and rife–the “Prophet” himself said of girls that “silence equals consent”, and those girls who object are often threatened with “Honor Killing”. In marriage, they are subjected to sacralized wife beating and, as here, marital rape. There is the summary “Triple Talaq” divorce for men only. Women automatically lose custody of children in such cases. Then Muslims can marry *more* women. And there is always the further threat of “Honor Killing”, including, in many cases, from the girl’s family as well.
Women are worth half that of men in Islam, and their testimony in court–where allowed at all–is also considered to be worth half that of men.
Westman says
Kinda sick, isn’t it?
When he can’t “plow the tilth” is he going to complain to the Imam that his wife has control over him? Can he really reveal his failing, machismo? Ah, to be an observing fly on the wall…
Adam says
If you believe in nothing, you fall for anything. This thing islam, always appeals to basic human desires and says there are no limits, enjoy man.
Which is why you can only have one book.
Ignorance is freedom and freedom is bliss, man.
Women, not so much.
Thank goodness our tax dollars pay for a good solid education. None of our kids would fall for this crap, sex on demand.
Benedict says
We also have repulsive Sex Prophets in our culture:
https://www.city-journal.org/html/all-sex-all-time-11803.html
– and their enslaving message employs a scientific sounding vocabulary, psychological seduction and manipulation, and is for that reason more perilous, spiritual malign and difficult to discern.
Dennis Prager, BTW, also have some clever insights in this department:
https://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2008/12/23/when-a-woman-isnt-in-the-mood-part-i-n1055719
(Don’t bother to react “graven”: I’m not demanding Muslim dress for all women as an atonement for western decadence, in spite of your monomaniacally repeated allegations to the contrary. I’m simply propounding that the weakness/immorality of the West is the strength of Islam)
gravenimage says
It figures that Benedict would show up here. He wrote:
We also have repulsive Sex Prophets in our culture:
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The civilized Theodore Dalrymple is *not*, of course, spouting apologia for marital rape.
There *is* serious dysfunction in parts of the West–but despite what Benedict implies, the horrors of Islam are *much worse*. Working for improvement in the West does not mean that Islam is still not much worse.
For instance, Dalrymple touches on the age of consent being increasingly permeable in parts of the West–but there is *no* age of consent in Islam, with little girls as young as nine being married off to old men–in fact, there is no consent *at all* in Islam–that is what this story is about.
More:
Dennis Prager, BTW, also have some clever insights in this department:
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Dennis Prager, like Dalrymple, makes some important points here.
But he is not advocating marital rape, either. He writes, “The importance of mutual kindness to a marriage is impossible to overstate. But while necessary, it is not sufficient…”
His article is more complex than this, but his general point is a plea for women to recognize the importance of sex in marriage to men–even more than to themselves. He does not suggest that marital rape is the solution to this issue.
Most importantly, notice that Benedict has *nothing* negative to say about this Fatwa sacralizing marital rape. But then, why would he? *Ugh*.
More:
(Don’t bother to react “graven”: I’m not demanding Muslim dress for all women as an atonement for western decadence, in spite of your monomaniacally repeated allegations to the contrary. I’m simply propounding that the weakness/immorality of the West is the strength of Islam)
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Really, Benedict just doesn’t like being called out on this–but then, he is upset that no one here shares his desire for women–and little girls–to wear the Burqa because there are nudist camps in the West.
Here he is, saying that Christians and other Infidels in France will “benefit” from being invaded by brutal Muslim thugs.
Salient part of the thread begins here:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/05/in-paris-a-bearded-bus-driver-enforces-muslim-dress-code#comment-2097954
There have been many similar threads–many worse.
When told that far from being “moral” that pious Muslims sacralize pedophilia and rape, he has either ignored this or condoned it.
Benedict says
My compliments, g: you left out your usual final salute, CREEP – that’s an improvement. –
What the French (and the rest of Europe) could benefit from the brutal Muslim invasion is the lesson, that the consequence of equating Christianity with all other religions is fatal: that’s another consequence of the equality of outcome.
Demsci says
First of all, what if the Muslims would not have been let in?! Would they have had the chance to influence Western society? I think not. Despite moral weakness, division, “vacuums” in Western society.
And, if the West somehow had stayed more moral, like the Victorians, and the Muslims WOULD have come in, as they did, would then the Western society have rapidly absorbed them?
What about the demographic transition? In short; if first the death rates, esp. with children, fall, then eventually the birth rates fall to almost the same level, so that equilibrium is restored. And maybe the Western citizens are having less children than the Muslims, where the demographic transition is now in full swing.
And as Gravenimage points out; there were fights between Muslims and Christians in all of Islam’s history. A vexed question; How did that work out for both sides? And what expectation can we have now based on the answer to that?
Granted, after 1571 Lepanto and 1683 Vienna things went well for the Christians, but their appalling divisions made a lot of progress in power go for naught I think.
Demsci says
We do know that Japan and South Korea do have Western democratic societies. And SK even has a large Christian minority. These countries do not let Muslims in much. Furthermore Hungary and other Eastern European countries successfully resist Islamic immigration. How does Benedict think that these countries all will develop, if they, too, have sliding moral values, sorts of divisions, vacuums like present in the Western Democratic societies according to his links?
carpediadem says
Christianity is currently sucking up to Islam, the Pope being the most prominent example.
@gravenimage you have extraordinary patience dealing with the morally fluid types here today.
Marital rape is certainly a phenomenon , a nasty by product of human relations and male entitlement, christianblood’s ravings to the contrary..
gravenimage says
Good points, Demsci and carpediadem.
And thank you so much for your kind words, carpediadem.
Benedict says
PS: Why do you think that David Horowitz and Dennis Prager spend more energy warning and fighting the Left than critiquing Islam, if they don’t consider the ideology of the Left more pernicious than Islam itself?
gravenimage says
More from the vile Benedict:
My compliments, g: you left out your usual final salute, CREEP – that’s an improvement. –
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How so? I will say that anyone who will say nothing critical about Muslim rape and who thinks that Western women and little girls should have to wear the Burqa is indeed a creep. Actually, I could use far stronger words than this.
More:
What the French (and the rest of Europe) could benefit from the brutal Muslim invasion is the lesson, that the consequence of equating Christianity with all other religions is fatal: that’s another consequence of the equality of outcome.
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What claptrap–this is not what Benedict has said at all–he has implied many times that Islam, with its hideous culture of rape and child rape (and rape of those who eschew the Burqa) is more moral than is the West, where rape is *illegal*.
And notice that he *still* will not say anything negative about these horrors, even when specifically asked to do so.
Yet more:
PS: Why do you think that David Horowitz and Dennis Prager spend more energy warning and fighting the Left than critiquing Islam, if they don’t consider the ideology of the Left more pernicious than Islam itself?
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Jihad Watch is affiliated with the David Horowitz Freedom Center. The idea that this somehow means that David Horowitz thinks that the West is worse than Islam is, is of course, quite ludicrous.
And Dennis Prager has also been cited here at Jihad Watch in his concern about Jihad terrorism:
“Dennis Prager on Robert Spencer’s The History of Jihad: ‘Very troubling and very important'”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/06/dennis-prager-on-robert-spencers-the-history-of-jihad-very-troubling-and-very-important
He also writes about the threat of Islam here:
https://www.dennisprager.com/islamic/
People tend, of course, to think more about the shortcomings of their own cultures than that of alien ones, even those threatening us–this makes sense, and there is certainly room for improvement here in the West–especially given the inroads of leftism here.
But the idea that this means that social critics actually prefer the unhinged horrors of Islam to the West is just grotesque.
This does indeed describe the vicious Benedict–but not decent and rational actors like Theodore Dalrymple, Dennis Prager, and David Horowitz.
Benedict says
As I have said before: the phenomenon is through and through religious. Wherever and whenever an epochal event in history is going to take place a forerunner and a time of preparation is required. The baptism in the filth of Hollywood and San Pornando valley and the hate of traditional family values and the Christian faith, the propagation of abortions and same sex marriages, naked culture etc. are “the conditio sine qua non” Islam cannot conquer the West.
gravenimage says
Benedict has now been asked several times to say *anything* critical about Islam. He will not. This is *not* accidental.
Instead, he inveighs against Hollywood movies and peaceful nudist camps.
And note what he is saying here–than Islam cannot conquer anyone who does not deserve it–that they are all “decadent”.
Were the Christians and Jews of dark ages Arabia decadent? What about those in North Africa? The Copts of Egypt? Spanish, Portuguese, French, Italians, Sicilians, Greeks, and Balkans of the Middle Ages?
Were the Byzantine Christians so decadent that they deserved to have Muslims conquer them and rape, enslave, and slaughter all of the women, children, old people, monks, and nuns who took refuge in Hagia Sofia?
What about the Christian victims of the Armenian genocide? Did they all deserve to be slaughtered?
How about the Christian schoolgirls kidnapped in Nigeria? All “decadent”, I suppose.
The claim that Muslims only attack “decadent” Christians could not, of course, be more grotesquely false.
Benedict says
Here is my conclusion about Islam, g:
Islam is a gigantic Munchausen syndrome by proxy:
Allah and his puffed up and attention seeking prophet trying to poison the whole world with their deceptions and turn it into a barbaric, Arabic lunatic asylum – the moon being a fitting symbol for the bipolar psychopathy of the Muslim hemisphere – run by the Saudi inmates and officials in Mecca.
Demsci says
They spend more time warning and fighting the left than critiquing Islam?? I don;t know but if so is that not because of the de facto “Red-Green alliance”? Where the left and Islam have the common Conservative enemies? Although they remain very strange bedfellows.
Gravenimage juxtaposes Western society to Islamic society (ideas and goals) and thankfully prefers the Western one. But that is created by both leftist and conservative influences/values I suppose.
And now the deep split between leftists and conservatives seems to give Muslims, who numerically grow harder (and not so much by conversion as by birth rates and migration) than the leftists or conservatives, a big chance to gain more power in Western countries.
gravenimage says
Benedict wrote:
The baptism in the filth of Hollywood…
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I generally watch a lot of films–although not always contemporary ones. I decided to see what movies are in current release now.
They include: “Avengers: Endgame”, in which a group of superheroes try to save the world; “Pokémon Detective Pikachu”, a children’s fantasy about a cartoon detective; “The Hustle”, a comedy about scam artists in the south of France; “Long Shot”, a political comedy; “Poms”, another comedy about former cheerleaders living in a retirement community; “Captain Marvel”, in which a superhero tries to save the world; “Tolkien”, a biopic about the author of “The Lord of the Rings”; “Mary Poppins Returns”, a Disney film about the beloved nanny; and “The Biggest Little Farm”, about an urban couple who start a farm.
The only one of these that is iffy here is “The Hustle”–there is seldom much that is edifying or even all that funny about con artists.
But most of the rest sound rather sweet. Now, I haven’t seen any of these films, so I suppose there might indeed be something “filthy” in “The Biggest Little Farm” after all. Probably not, though…
Really, it’s like those “You might be a Muslim if…” jokes (sample: You might be a Muslim if you are too poor to buy shoes, but you own a state-of-the-art rocket launcher).
You might be a Muslim if you think that Mary Poppins is filthy, but consider raping your child bride family values.
gravenimage says
Good analysis, Demsci.
gravenimage says
I guess Benedict finally realized that it was just embarrassing for him to refuse to say anything less than glowing about Islam…
CRUSADER says
Muslim Man Marrying a Non-Muslim Women | Yusuf Estes
Islam has rights…but limits….
(watch his thumb in his mouth, at minute marker 01:40
when he speaks of virgins…. “here in Australia…”)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHvYVxh-aus
gravenimage says
*Ewwww!*
Westman says
Is this cankerous, cynical old man preaching Apartheid? Where are agents of PC? Where is the Pope to hear how his kissing Muslim clerics accomplished nothing.
Victoria says
Yuck. What a dirty old man.
Raja says
Crusader,
The video of a mullah is in bad taste, especially his reference to Australian women. It was very mean of him to make that hint. Social scientists the world over agree that the ratio of children born out of wedlock is evenly distributed across rural and urban divide.
May add some please:
I have read in an Indian magazine in the year 1991 or 1992 about how the mid-east women came to Mumbai (then Bombay) to perform hymen restoration surgery. Promiscuity is global problem and in strict Islamic households it might be containing this problem to a very limited extend though and these things cannot be monitored by any family member or even the Islamic states in spite of technological advancements. For the Islamic states it would mean surveillance of 24X7 of women with prohibitive cost to the exchequer and that too if they are wired everywhere, which stands a rather bleak chance. One Indian returnee from Mid east narrated how he had a mother and daughter i(n her late teens) in physical relationship in rotation.
Muslim Zealots do a much “better Job” in this respect (of keeping chasitty) as they just slit the woman’s throat of the perceived harlot. This is not to bring about chastity but to stop Muslim men from visiting an infidel harlot. What part of Jihad is this I do not know.
This Imam also loves to forget how the super-rich in Iran (peace be to Christianblood), Saudi, Qatar and other Islamic nations get away with lavish lives with debauchery at will in their own nations and the West / India. He has touched on a subject that is difficult to really tell the truth or with authority.
Ultimately it boils down to one’s relationship with God or individuals and a good conscience. It is essentially overcoming evil with good in the battle of desire and character.But with the crises of all-encompassing Islamic immorality the “virtue of virginity” might be even scarcer than you might think.
Islam sucks and so is this imam.
na says
A uneducated refugee muslima arrested in Greece for throwing 10 kg of garbage at a passenger .Passenger thought it was a bombing. Later she was joined to the training how to deal with a garbage bag. She
threatened local people that “A call to ISIS headquarters is enough , they will come here and catch you “.
Terry Gain says
gravenimage says
May 17, 2019 at 10:27 pm
Terry, as I have noted before, things like waging violent Jihad and imposing Shari’ah law are *not* legal in the United States, nor protected by the First Amendment.
And we have defended against Islam for many centuries–often very successfully–while considering Islam to be an evil religion.
It would not just go away if we were to pretend that it is something else.
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Once again GI, you, like Wellington, fail to comprehend that Islam does not need to wage violent Jihad in order to succeed in America. Indeed that would be counterproductive. Islam just needs to convince a majority of Americans that it is a religion – which is being discriminated against.
The defense against Islam to which you refer took place long before the advent of political correctness and the Bushian notion that Islam is a religion of peace.
Islam is not going to go away, but pretending that is a religion may well guarantee its success.
gravenimage says
Terry, Islam uses various tactics–including violent Jihad, stealth Jihad, and “lawfare”.
You are mistaken in believing that Muslims have not been waging violent Jihad here–remember 9/11? There have been many Jihad terror attacks since then.
Defending against Jihad is not entirely a thing of the past–but yes, it *has* been compromised by “political correctness” and denial.
Islam is a religion by every definition–changing the meaning of words for Islam as you suggest would not be a useful thing. The idea that something cannot be both a religion and a political ideology is inaccurate. This has actually happened many times–this was true of the faith of Ba’al, as well as the religion of the Aztecs.
With all respect, I believe that Islam needs to be further exposed–not re-categorized as something it is not.
Indiana Tom says
Islam is not a religion in the sense most westerners would recognize. Most certainly not an honorable and noble religion as the Bush idiots call it. People need to get it out of their heads that it is just like Methodism. Islam is really a Nazi Fascist type of ideology, except worse. If we are going to honor violent religions, then all westerners should revive worshipping Mother Nature and round up Muslims at the sacred swamps with oak trees. Then we slit their throats and throw them in the sacred swamp while the priest displays artifacts from mother natures ark mounted on the ox cart. See we can have a noble and honorable religion that everyone should respect as well.
gravenimage says
People here can believe in sacred trees if they want to–but they cannot engage in human sacrifice. There have certainly been evil religions before.
mortimer says
Islam combines wife beating and marital rape. So how is that ‘feminist’? It isn’t.
gravenimage says
+1
FYI says
No surprise when you consider that Al Lah,islam’s one-legged{k68:42} pagan Arab god PERMITS RAPE..
FEMINISTS,LEFTIES AND DHIMMIS PLEASE NOTE…
Sunan Abu Dawud vol 2 Hadith 2155:al Lah PERMITS the rape of women.
Al Lah himself is OK with it.
As for linda sarsour{the old crone of sharia’s} belief that muhammed{APOh,allah pray on him} was the original feminist..
Is islam’s “prophet” muhammed really a feminist?
“Aisha said to muhammed “You have made us the equal to the dogs and asses”
{Sahih Muslim 4:1039}
woman= a dog/an ass
“Women are compared to slaves and camels with regard to the EVIL in them”
{Abu Dawud 2155}
woman= slave or camel=EVIL
“{The reason the koran says a woman’s testimony is HALF that of a man}is “because of the deficiency of a woman’s mind”{muhammed the feminist}
Sahih Bukhari #2658
women=stupid and inferior to men
Most muslimas go to hell anyway according to muhammed the feminist{Sahih Muslim 241}
Ya see?All that virtue-signalling hijab wearing by the muslimas in honor of a misogynistic,chauvinist bigoted Arab god……and for nothing!I’m sorry muslimas but Al Lah does not like women!
Several times a day linda sarsour and ilhan omar prostate themselves and stick their butts in the air in honor of a pagan Arab god who teaches that women are inferior and stupid:thus kinda proving muhammed’s point somewhat in regard to these silly women …
Dum Spiro says
If you have some time, check out this audio by Father John Riccardo in which he discusses (in an authentic manner and in very understandable terms) the true meaning of Ephesians chapter 5 that was mentioned above in these comments:
http://traffic.libsyn.com/stanastasia/BVMSession2.m4a?dest-id=13713
Food for thought…
— Spero