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Sweden: church holds concert to raise money for Islamic State children, outrage ensues

May 14, 2019 11:30 am By Christine Douglass-Williams

“A church in Gothenburg’s Högsbo parish in Sweden” arranged a concert to raise money in support of bringing back children of the Islamic State. Högsbo parish priest Lina Westberg said “We want to work for them to come to Sweden.”

Such action done in the Christian spirit of ‘turning the other check’ and feeding one’s enemies flies in the face of another aspect to such Christian instruction: “Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.”  This warning (Matt 7:6) is clearly symbolic as humans are not animals and is intended to impart wisdom into acts of kindness. IS children are extremely dangerous.

This article HERE reveals the core training of these “Cubs of ISIS” which includes the most inhumane, violent indoctrination, vigorous weapons and psychological training, betrayal even of parents if necessary, and actual executions committed by the children.

The Church in Högsbo dismisses the intense suffering of victims and also disregards all safety considerations of Sweden’s citizens. Folly has taken precedence over kindness. Many were rightly outraged by the Gogsbo parish church on social media over “the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Sweden’s involvement and overall stance.” As one of many users stated….

“Wondering if the Church of Sweden devoted even a tenth of its time to Christian victims Galvez’s daughter and her man slaughtered, raped, murdered and tortured in Iraq and Syria?”

“Outrage Over Swedish Church’s Support Concert for ‘Daesh Children'”,  Sputnik International, May 13, 2019:

While Sweden has contributed some 300 jihadists to the terrorists’ cause in the Middle East, the number of children born to Swedish jihadists and Daesh brides has been estimated at 60 to 80.

A church in Gothenburg’s Högsbo parish has arranged a support concert in order to raise money for several dozen Daesh children with a connection to Sweden left in refugee camps across the Middle East, national broadcaster SVT reported.

Högsbo parish priest Lina Westberg said that it was “a matter of course” for her to open the church’s doors for this purpose.

“We gladly step in if the members have wishes. And this situation is very much a matter for the church itself”, Westberg said.

By her admission, the congregation wants to focus on all Swedish Daesh children, whose number is estimated between 60 and 80, to be taken “home”.

“We want to work for them to come to Sweden”, Westberg said.

At the same time, a specific fund-raising effort was held to help the seven orphans of the late jihadist and terrorist recruiter Michael Skråmo, who is also known by his Islamic name Abou Ibrahim al-Swaidi. Skråmo, who was reported dead in March 2019, was often labelled Scandinavia’s “most dangerous” terrorist.

The concert was held on Saturday night at the Högsbo church in Gothenburg with the purpose of raising money for Skråmos’ father-in-law, Patricio Galvez, whose recent efforts to bring his orphaned grandchildren home have been glorified by national broadcaster SVT. Galvez is currently in the Iraqi city of Erbil, where his seven grandchildren were transported from Baghouz in Syria to the Swedish consulate in Iraq. SVT described the unification as a “joyful scene”.

On social media, many were extremely critical of the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Sweden’s involvement and overall stance.

“Wondering if the Church of Sweden devoted even a tenth of its time to Christian victims Galvez’s daughter and her man slaughtered, raped, murdered and tortured in Iraq and Syria?” an indignant user wrote.

READ MORE: Swedish Gov’t Grilled for ‘Deranged’ Plans to Bring Back Daesh Children

“Högsbo church. As beautiful on the outside as its priests on the inside. Praise God, the public service and the murderers for Daesh children!” another user tweeted, posting a photograph of the Högsbo church, and a concrete block……

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Comments

  1. MV says

    May 14, 2019 at 11:39 am

    It’s a grave mistake being done by Sweden n any country if support the IS … don’t fall for their victim card n save ur resources n people and culture…

    • Tom says

      May 16, 2019 at 12:41 pm

      Where is the support for the children of Christians being murdered around the world by Islamists simply because the are Christian.

      The killing of Christians has now reached the level of a genocide and the populations of Christians in some Muslim majority countries has all but been eradicated.

      Swedes need to awaken and realize that their government is brainwashing them.

  2. 11B40 says

    May 14, 2019 at 11:50 am

    Greetings:

    I’m the beneficiary of 13 years of Bronx Irish Catholic education and I was well into my teens before I realized it was “Turn the other cheek.” and not “Turn the other’s cheek.”

    • owensgate says

      May 15, 2019 at 9:40 am

      After brooding about this, about what would be equivalent, all I can come up with is that it’s like the Lord deciding to “turn His other cheek” and allow Satan to resume his status in Heaven. “Come on back, Luci, bring your buds with you, we’re all good…!” UNTHINKABLE.

  3. Benedict says

    May 14, 2019 at 12:06 pm

    That the enemies of Sweden and its religious foundation and culture gather and conspire in the mosques is no surprise, but when the enemy is paid by the state and stands in the pulpit of the Church of Sweden the battle seems lost.

    • christianblood says

      May 14, 2019 at 6:25 pm

      Liberal secularists that are running the West and Islamo-fascists share one thing:
      They both hate Christianity and Christians and want them all dead! Sweden
      is a liberal, pro-jihadist hellhole in which Christians, Jews and some moderate muslims are finding unsafe to call home! The Somali female journalist below says “Sweden is more dangerous than Mogadishu, Somalia” and she is right!

      • gravenimage says

        May 14, 2019 at 7:42 pm

        Why does christianblood keep posting this thing? Sweden *is* increasing dangerous under the invasion of Muslims, and this kind of dhimmitude is disgusting.

        But Ahmun Abdullahl’s implication that Somalia itself–under Shari’ah law and with Al-Sheba’ab running rampant–is a safer place to criticize Al Shaba’ab than is Sweden is absurd. But then, christianblood takes any opportunity to slam the West.

        He also regularly minimizes the horrors of Shari’ah, going so far as to praise Shari’ah law in Iran, Chechnya, and under Hezb’allah.

        • CRUSADER says

          May 15, 2019 at 4:24 am

          Exactly!

          ASK yourselves:

          Do you feel safe visiting Muslim majority countries?

          Do you feel safer knowing the Muslim communities are growing in Western nations?

        • christianblood says

          May 15, 2019 at 7:57 am

          gravenimage

          (..Why does christianblood keep posting this thing?..)

          It is not a thing! It is a reality. This Somali journalist, herself a muslim had to flee Sweden and says Mogadishu is safer for her than in Sweden! Listen to her words! She says the liberal media in Sweden has called her an “islamophobe” for reporting on islamic extremism growing in Swedish mosques and that made her very unsafe in Sweden and she had leave Sweden for her safety! I believe in what she says and BTW, many ex-muslims and liberal muslim writers are either in hiding or are leaving many European countries for their safety. Why is that difficult for you to understand???

        • gravenimage says

          May 16, 2019 at 9:07 pm

          Boromir’s Horn, I think that christianblood still thinks that he can get Anti-Jihadists here to love Iran and Hezb’allah and want to have to submit to invading Muslims.

          I don’t think he’s gotten very far–most here just ignore him.

      • gravenimage says

        May 15, 2019 at 4:56 pm

        christianblood wrote:

        gravenimage

        (..Why does christianblood keep posting this thing?..)

        It is not a thing! It is a reality. This Somali journalist, herself a muslim had to flee Sweden and says Mogadishu is safer for her than in Sweden! Listen to her words!
        ………………………….

        Muslims do this all the time–come to the West as “refugees”, then vacation back in the place they supposedly had to flee. That christianblood is taking this at face value is ludicrous.

        The claim that Sweden is more dangerous than is Somalia is grotesque. Even given the invasion of Muslims into the West, Europe is still the safest region in the world–whereas Somalia is in the top five most dangerous countries:

        https://www.atlasandboots.com/most-dangerous-countries-in-the-world-ranked/

        She says the liberal media in Sweden has called her an “islamophobe” for reporting on islamic extremism growing in Swedish mosques and that made her very unsafe in Sweden and she had leave Sweden for her safety!
        ………………………….

        I noted that this dhimmitude from Sweden is disgusting. That being said, though, the idea that it is the ‘filthy Infidels’ in Sweden who are threatening Hijabbed Muslimahs is just calumny. Any threat Ahmun Abdullahl was from her fellow *Muslims*, not from native Swedes as christianblood pretends.

        More:

        I believe in what she says and BTW, many ex-muslims and liberal muslim writers are either in hiding or are leaving many European countries for their safety. Why is that difficult for you to understand???
        ………………………….

        It’s absurd. Despite her supposed love for journalism, Abdullahl’s claim that it is safer to work as a journalist–especially one critical of Jihad–in Somalia than in Sweden is obviously false:

        “‘Getting Away With Murder’ In Somalia, Where Journalists Are Killed With Impunity”

        For the third year in a row, Somalia has ranked as the world’s leading country where slain journalists’ deaths go unpunished.

        Over the past decade, all 26 assassinations of journalists in the East African nation have gone unsolved, according to the Committee to Protect Journalists, which released its annual impunity index, titled “Getting Away With Murder,” on Tuesday.

        https://news.yahoo.com/apos-getting-away-murder-apos-120113553.html;_ylt=Awr9IkkVe9xcFsYA80xXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyMTR2OXYzBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjY4OThfMQRzZWMDc2M-

        Whereas, there have been no journalists killed in Sweden.

        I’m sure christianblood really, really hopes we don’t know this.

        If Muslims now want to pretend that Dar-al-Islam is safer than is the West, though, I’m good with that…they can stay out.

        • christianblood says

          May 15, 2019 at 7:07 pm

          gravenimage

          .

          If you are a moderate muslim or an ex-muslim doing investigative journalism to expose Islamic radicalism in Sweden or in any other Western country, like the Somali journalist above, and the pro-islamic liberal establishment in that Western country paints you as an “islamophobe” your life will be indeed in great danger. Don’t you realize this??? This is exactly what happened to the Somali journalist above and through the years I have seen many similar cases!

        • gravenimage says

          May 15, 2019 at 10:12 pm

          As I have noted several times now, her being called an “Islamophobe” is indeed appalling. The implication that leftist Swedish journalists are out whacking Hijabbis is absurd, though.

          And I would like citations of any cases of this happening–but I won’t be holding my breath waiting for christianblood to provide them.

        • christianblood says

          May 16, 2019 at 7:55 am

          gravenimage

          Her interview in Swedish is translated for you in English.
          Watch the video again and see what she is saying. She is openly talking about it how her career was destroyed by the left wing media in Sweden and her life was put in a grave danger.

        • gravenimage says

          May 16, 2019 at 9:22 pm

          I have read that interview several times now. I have noted that her treatment in Sweden was disgusting.

          But no–she is not going to Somalia because it has greater press freedom than Sweden, nor because it is safer for journalists, nor for critics of Jihad. That christianblood is still pretending that it is is just ludicrous.

        • christianblood says

          May 16, 2019 at 9:39 pm

          gravenimage

          She went back to Somalia because the Islamic jihadists she was investigating their radicalization, most of whom Swedish Somalis
          and other muslims went after her to silence her (to kill her) as infidel
          and as an enemy of islam and this happened after the liberal media
          in Sweden criticized her work and called her “islamophobic” for her investigation on radicalization of Swedish muslim youth. I am sure, she did not leave Sweden she would have been dead by now! And that is why she is saying Mogadishu is safer for her than Sweden because in Sweden she is like a wanted person (wanted by the islamists there) but in Mogadishu no one even knows her!

        • gravenimage says

          May 16, 2019 at 10:43 pm

          christianblood wrote:

          gravenimage

          She went back to Somalia because the Islamic jihadists she was investigating their radicalization, most of whom Swedish Somalis
          and other muslims went after her to silence her (to kill her) as infidel
          and as an enemy of islam and this happened after the liberal media
          in Sweden criticized her work and called her “islamophobic” for her investigation on radicalization of Swedish muslim youth.
          ………………………………

          The idea that Muslims were fine with her criticizing Jihadists until some of the ‘filthy Infidels’ called her “Islamophobic” is just absurd.

          Really, the implication that Muslims only care about the criticism of Islam if some non-Muslims think it is a bad thing is ludicrous.

          More:

          I am sure, she did not leave Sweden she would have been dead by now!
          ………………………………

          The idea that she has a flourishing career criticizing Al Sheba’ab in Mogadishu–and that she is perfectly safe doing so because there are no Swedes there to call her an “Islamophobe”–is of course ridiculous.

          More:

          And that is why she is saying Mogadishu is safer for her than Sweden because in Sweden she is like a wanted person (wanted by the islamists there) but in Mogadishu no one even knows her!
          ………………………………

          How could no one know her if she is–supposedly–freely inveighing against Jihadists there?

          christianblood just continues to flog this absurdity because he likes to pretend that Islam is not a threat, but that the West is. After all, in the past he has said that Jihad terror attacks are not a real problem, but that gay parades *are*.

          Unless he says something particularly risible in reply, I will probably leave this here–I doubt he has anything new to add.

        • christianblood says

          May 17, 2019 at 8:03 am

          gravenimage

          Islam is a threat but in the West it becomes very serious threat when Western liberal enablers collaborate with islamists and support them like happened to journalist lady above. Anyone who criticizes islam in the West or do some investigative journalism to expose radical mosques plotting violent jihad will be demonized by the liberal, pro-islamist media in the West as an “Islamophobe” and such a person will to seek police protection or will be forced into hiding! Are you denying that such things exist? That is what exactly happened to the lady above!

        • gravenimage says

          May 18, 2019 at 10:20 pm

          Of course, I have noted many times before the danger of this kind of dhimmitude and of appeasing Islam–whether it happens in the West or any other part of Dar-al-Harb.

          None of this means, of course, that the Muslim world is either decent or safe, though-whatever christianblood may want to pretend.

  4. Shirley Ann says

    May 14, 2019 at 12:36 pm

    To Hades with the Daesh “Children”, & their Swedish Panderers. Jesus did indeed say “Turn the Other Cheek”, but did you notice that St.Peter always carried his Trusty Sword? A sort of Back Up Plan & Very Wise! We,in America, just saw a display of Muslim “WannaBe” Murdering Children” in a School In the Philly Area. I have to support the Actions of Our First Crusade, when it comes to Islam! Crusaders carried Swords, Too & Fought in the Name of God. Those Battle Hardened Men Saved Christianity, Thanks Be To God!

    • CRUSADER says

      May 15, 2019 at 4:25 am

      AMEN !

      + + +

    • CRUSADER says

      May 15, 2019 at 4:29 am

      “Arn”

      (Swedish Knight Templar)

      • christianblood says

        May 16, 2019 at 9:41 pm

        CRUSADER

        +1

  5. Pet Charles says

    May 14, 2019 at 1:16 pm

    By now its obvious that ISIS is a creation of Western governments. Even Stevie Wonder could see that or Ray Charles if he was still alive. ALL of the European nations pushing for the return of ISIS participants systematically hunt down Nazi soldiers who are in their late 80s and 90s for atrocities they allegedly committed in World War II against White Europeans. The social justice warriors in Europe are fundamentally racist, genocidal and themselves White Supremacist. Because what they are effectively saying is that if you join ISIS and massacre non Whites in the Middle East it is the same as if you did nothing. But if you do the same thing to Whites in Europe then you will be hunted down for the rest of your life for revenge and retribution!!

    • gravenimage says

      May 14, 2019 at 7:56 pm

      Pet Charles wrote:

      By now its obvious that ISIS is a creation of Western governments.
      ……………,……………

      Ah…right. ISIS has nothing to do with Islam, you filthy Infidels! sarc/off

      As if misplaced sympathy for Islamic State children means that it was the West that was enslaving Christian girls, crucifying kids who ran afoul of Ramadan strictures, and waging genocide against the Yezidi. Nice try…

      It also doesn’t explain why it was the United States that demolished the Islamic State–but what has “Pet Charles” ever cared about logic?

      And it should come as no surprise that he is sneering about Nazi atrocities.

      His implication that all Islamic State thugs from Sweden were white is also bizarre–while a few of them were white Swedish converts to Islam, most were not.

      How many of these “Swedish” ISIS fighters seem to be ethnically Swedish whites?

      https://i.ytimg.com/vi/iZRL_KwumVc/maxresdefault.jpg

  6. James Lincoln says

    May 14, 2019 at 1:20 pm

    Sweden is well on its way to becoming an Islamic Republic mainly due to its PATHOLOGICAL ALTRUISM – and desire to be a HUMANITARIAN SUPERPOWER

    As Tucker Carlson once said, Swedish leaders would “rather destroy their own country then be called racist.”

    Tucker Carlson with Katie Hopkins, quote referenced is at 4:55.

    They are losing their country.

    • gravenimage says

      May 14, 2019 at 7:57 pm

      Grimly true, James.

  7. Bella says

    May 14, 2019 at 1:54 pm

    Sweden helped the nazis then, same thing now. They’re done, finished.

    • gravenimage says

      May 14, 2019 at 8:00 pm

      Sweden was isolated, and was in no position to fight Nazi Germany.

      If they hadn’t been able to remain neutral and were under Fascist occupation, they never would have been able to save all of Denmark’s Jews from the Holocaust.

  8. CL North says

    May 14, 2019 at 1:59 pm

    Since 2015 and earlier, “economic migrants” have been using children and fake “minor” status to invade Western countries! Most humane people do not like to see children & babies suffer. However, Daesh, ISIS, MS-13 and other nefarious groups are using children to gain entry into our porous borders. And being rewarded for trafficking children for entry!

    Look around cities in Europe, Canada, New Zealand, Australia and the United States…you seldom see children & babies among homeless populations except for the Roma (gypsies).

    Local authorities & ”Do Gooder” groups like Doctors Without Borders, Christian charities, et al swoop in to save them! Meanwhile, indigenous adult citizens are left out in the cold to battle their own demons of drug abuse, PTSD, depression, homelessness, etc. Put Daesh children & real, unaccompanied minors in orphanages paid by Catholic charities and the United Nations. Use X-Rays, dental records, and RFID chips to track & identify those who keep violating our country borders! Unlike bulky ankle bracelets, Daesh, MS-13 & other terrorists can’t easily remove RFID chips embedded in their body parts! Technological innovations should be used to eliminate repeat offenders & criminals that continue to destroy our national sovereignties & economies not to mention terrorizing, maiming, & killing our legal residents and law abiding citizens! Enough is enough! Demand Western governments solve the growing problems of illegal migration & terrorism!

    • gravenimage says

      May 14, 2019 at 8:05 pm

      An important point, CL North–*over 80%* of “child migrants” in Sweden have proven to be adults.

  9. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    May 14, 2019 at 2:28 pm

    There’s a church in Sweden?

    • Kepha says

      May 14, 2019 at 4:46 pm

      It betrayed the beliefs of a long line of devout men from Olaus Petri down to Johannes Wallin ages ago. the pastorette mentioned in this article is just a symptom of a far deeper rot.

  10. Halal Bacon says

    May 14, 2019 at 4:02 pm

    while hollyweird types were adopting African children 20 years ago, it appears that their new pets are muslims

  11. CRUSADER says

    May 14, 2019 at 4:29 pm

    Many modern monstrosities pose as churches, but they look so hopeless unlike churches that they lose their mission by virtue of existing as horrible examples of architecture.

    (TED Talks, James Kunstler: How bad architecture wrecked cities)

    • CRUSADER says

      May 14, 2019 at 4:29 pm

      Look at the plans being bobbled about for re-designing Notre Dame !

      Paul Joseph Watson tells it like it is!:

      Latest Atrocities in Modern Architecture —

      “They’re about to ruin Notre Dame. We cannot let them.”

      • gravenimage says

        May 14, 2019 at 8:09 pm

        The worst suggestion about Notre Dame is not just ugly modern architecture, but a minaret.

      • gravenimage says

        May 18, 2019 at 10:33 pm

        Yes–almost all modernistic architecture is brutal, hideous, and soulless. *Ugh*.

  12. FYI says

    May 14, 2019 at 6:03 pm

    Naive,idiotic”Christians” accomodating the cult of antiChrist…

    Why islam is the religion of antiChrist…

    1)The koran CURSES Christians for believing in Jesus Christ k9:30

    2}The demonic islamic doctrine of HATE{al Walaa wal Baraa} is contrary to the Gospel of LOVE

    3)The 2nd chief commandment{In Judaism and Christianity,NOT in islam} is violated and contradicted by k5:51,meaning muslims will NEVER
    be friends with the “infidels”
    “Oh ye who believe!Take not the Jews and Christians for friends” k5:51
    Thus,there is no “love thy neighbor”,no Golden Rule in the murder cult of islam

    4}The koranic teachings are in violation of the Exodus 20 laws plus the 2 chief commandments are missing in islam:see for yourself what the koran teaches..the koran is OK with murdering infidels,stealing from infidels,adultery with enslaved women,child brides,polygamy,endless jihad,bearing FALSE WITNESS to promote islam etc..

    5}In k4:157,the DENIAL OF CHRIST and in k4:171 the DENIAL OF GOD’S HOLY SPIRIT
    “Cease! say not ‘3’:it is better for you”:but one of the 3 is God’s Holy Spirit!

    6}al Lah{the god Lah} is a PAGAN ARAB god{the “BEST of deceivers” k3:54}
    al Lah is NOT the Judeo-Christian God.

    Al Lah’s GREATEST ENEMY{Sahih Muslim vol 5 hadith #5611} is a man called MALIK AL AMLAK
    {“King of kings”}That would be Jesus Christ {Revs 19v 16},although muslims will deny this.

    If that hadith is true then logically al Lah is antiChrist and a force for evil
    {remember that Al Lah calls himself the “BEST of deceivers”k3:54…}

    7}Al Lah’s claim k5:46-47 that he “bestowed upon {Jesus} the Gospel” is an obvious lie.The Gospel came AFTER Jesus and if anything,was bestowed upon the Apostles:Jesus was not involved with the writing of the Gospel!
    In k4:171,Al Lah tells muslims{indirectly and unwittingly..} NOT to believe in God’s Holy Spirit and since ALL PROPHECY comes from this{2 Peter 1 v 20-21}muslims have no clue about God…

    If you are a sincere and authentic Christian,of any denomination,you will need to pay close attention to prophetic warnings given in the Gospel:you won’t get what is happening otherwise.See 2 Thessalonians 1 v 5-10 for starters…{Biblical Prophecy is good news..islamic “prophecy” is FALSE,mainly because Al lah doesn’t subscribe to God’s Holy Spirit and tells muslims not to believe in it.}

    God help these stupid “Christians” in sweden ,these foolish,naive, Dhimmiwits!

    • gravenimage says

      May 14, 2019 at 8:09 pm

      Fine post, FYI.

  13. A_M_Swallow says

    May 14, 2019 at 6:05 pm

    This is not turning the other check but ‘aiding and abetting’ a gang of thieves. The group should be arrested and imprisoned.

    • christianblood says

      May 14, 2019 at 6:30 pm

      • gravenimage says

        May 14, 2019 at 8:26 pm

        But christianblood has applauded these girls’ murder before.

        • CRUSADER says

          May 15, 2019 at 4:37 am

          Craziness.

        • christianblood says

          May 15, 2019 at 8:04 am

          gravenimage

          These girls defended and promoted islamism on TVs in their countries.
          I shed them NO tears! I don’t see any difference between them
          and jihadists! They and those like them in the West are jihadist-enablers
          who hate Christians and love jihadists! May they rot in Hell!

        • gravenimage says

          May 15, 2019 at 5:01 pm

          As I said from christianblood.

          In fact, he has said many times that he wants to see the whole of the West conquered by Muslims. He wants us all enslaved or dead.

        • christianblood says

          May 15, 2019 at 7:12 pm

          gravenimage

          As the things stand now (and I have no expectation they will change)
          Islam will indeed, 100% percent conquer the West! I have absolutely NO doubt about that! It may take a few more decades, but it will surely happen and it will happen not as result of the strength of Islamists but as result of the weakness and the stupidity of the Westerners!

        • gravenimage says

          May 15, 2019 at 7:20 pm

          christianblood’s implication here that he merely forecasts the West’s fall to Islam is quite false–he often demands that God allow Muslims to conquer us.

          Meanwhile, he has said that Muslims overrunning Russia and waging Jihad there is not something he considers a problem.

        • christianblood says

          May 15, 2019 at 9:16 pm

          gravenimage

          Like it or not, Graven, Muslims will indeed conquer the West and it would be advisable for you to convert now and avoid beheading later!

          Personally, I won’t shed tears for the West when they are conquered by Islam because the satanic, liberal secularist West is indeed anti-Christ and pro-Islam! For me, Islamists and their secular liberal West allies are absolutely one and the same thing! They both hate me and I absolutely see NOOOO difference between them!

        • gravenimage says

          May 15, 2019 at 9:53 pm

          No, I don’t intend to convert to Islam, no matter how fervently christianblood wants me and everyone else here to do so.

          And the idea that our resisting this means that we hate christianblood is absurd–this is nothing but projection on his part.

          Actually, I would love to see both a West and a Russia free of Islam–but this is nothing that christianblood wants.

        • gravenimage says

          May 16, 2019 at 9:30 pm

          And while one of these girls foolishly implied that Muslims are often unjustly thought to be dangerous, this is naivite–not actually “promoting islamism” or Jihad as he pretends.

          But then, he has to lie to promote his “logic” as to why we should be cheering Muslims beheading Western girls.

        • christianblood says

          May 17, 2019 at 8:21 am

          gravenimage posted

          (…And while one of these girls foolishly implied that Muslims are often unjustly thought to be dangerous, this is naivite–not actually “promoting islamism” or Jihad as he pretends…)

          You are talking about it like this was a rare incident that never happens usually. You are sugar-coating it! NO! Tens of millions of liberals in the West promote islam and islamic jihadists, support them and consider muslims and muslim jihadists as victims. These same liberals deeply belief what is really bad and needs elimination is Christianity, White men, Nationalism, Common sense, Marriage, Family, Traditional moral principals etc, etc. Those girls promoted Islam and islamism as peaceful ideology and that being suspicious about Islamists is islamophobic!
          That is not some foolish naivety on their side, that is their core, principled, deep-seated belief and worldview indoctrinated into them by the cultural marxist liberal system they grew up under which they never challenged or investigated its validity!

        • gravenimage says

          May 18, 2019 at 10:52 pm

          Yet more from christianblood:

          gravenimage posted

          (…And while one of these girls foolishly implied that Muslims are often unjustly thought to be dangerous, this is naivite–not actually “promoting islamism” or Jihad as he pretends…)

          You are talking about it like this was a rare incident that never happens usually. You are sugar-coating it!
          ……………………….

          How does my telling the truth about Maren Ueland’s foolish video have anything to do with how common this is? Of course, it does not.

          You can watch the video here:

          “Maren Ueland, beheaded by ISIS jihadis in Morocco, in 2015 posted pro-Muslim migrant video on Facebook”

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/12/maren-ueland-beheaded-by-isis-jihadis-in-morocco-in-2015-posted-pro-muslim-migrant-video-on-facebook

          This is denial that Muslims present a threat–and this *is* dangerous. But it is not, as christianblood continues to pretend, “promoting Islamism”.

          More:

          NO! Tens of millions of liberals in the West promote islam and islamic jihadists, support them and consider muslims and muslim jihadists as victims. These same liberals deeply belief what is really bad and needs elimination is Christianity, White men, Nationalism, Common sense, Marriage, Family, Traditional moral principals etc, etc. Those girls promoted Islam and islamism as peaceful ideology and that being suspicious about Islamists is islamophobic!
          That is not some foolish naivety on their side, that is their core, principled, deep-seated belief and worldview indoctrinated into them by the cultural marxist liberal system they grew up under which they never challenged or investigated its validity!
          ……………………….

          Actually, it is christianblood–not these silly girls–who has been lauding Muslim conquest and demanding that we convert to Islam if we don’t want Muslims to behead us.

          This from him is what is known as projection. *Ugh*.

  14. gravenimage says

    May 14, 2019 at 6:32 pm

    Sweden: church holds concert to raise money for Islamic State children, outrage ensues
    ………………..

    More suicidal insanity.

  15. mortimer says

    May 14, 2019 at 6:39 pm

    The Church of Sweden should be converting the Muslims in Sweden.

    • Spiro says

      May 14, 2019 at 7:56 pm

      Exactly
      That’s the mission of the church

      • CRUSADER says

        May 15, 2019 at 4:37 am

        RIGHT-O !!!

  16. CRUSADER says

    May 14, 2019 at 7:03 pm

    “CHRISLAM”: The coming convergence of Islam and Christianity

    https://www.theunitedwest.org/2019/04/19/the-coming-convergence-of-islam-and-christianity/

    The Cathedral of Notre Dame was in flames on Monday, April 15, 2019.

    by Leo Hohmann
    ===============

    With astonishing speed and amazing efficiency, the French government declared early Tuesday morning that the fire which had largely consumed the magnificent, 850-year-old Cathedral of Notre Dame was a mere “accident.”

    That’s right: Before investigators had even been cleared to enter the smoldering ruins of the Western World’s most iconic Christian symbol, they had already ruled out the possibility of arson.

    I am not saying that any person or group should be blamed for this fire without proof. What I am saying, is that the French government’s absurdly quick action in determining the cause makes a mockery of the concept of an honest investigation. Such malfeasance in carrying out due diligence could easily backfire.

    Without an honest and transparent investigation, people will always look at the burning of Notre Dame as a monumental conspiracy. Fill in the blank as to who you want to make responsible for the devastation because the French wimped out and declared it an accident before any investigative procedures could have been employed.

    It begs the question: Why were the French so eager to sweep this fire under the rug of history?

    This looks like a clear case of fear to me. Fear of what, you ask? Well, think about it.

    Just for the sake of argument, let’s say that a real investigation gets underway and turns up proof of a Muslim plot to burn down the nation’s most famous Christian shrine. [And there has been a disturbing pattern of arsonists targeting hundreds of Christian churches in France over the last few years, including 10 in a one-week period last month].

    With nearly 10 percent of its population now Muslim, France would quickly devolve into chaos. Police would launch a nationwide manhunt for the Muslim arsonists. Muslims would be out in the streets, burning and defacing more churches, cemeteries, anything that stands as a symbol of Christian France. Priests and pastors might be kidnapped and killed. Regular Frenchmen, feeling threatened, might strike back, possibly burning down mosques in retaliation.

    The last thing President Macron wants is to take a chance that a thorough forensic investigation could spark a civil war. You can hardly blame him. But show me a nation that has lost the will, for whatever reason, to enforce the rule of law and lost faith in its ability to blindly apply justice, and I will show you a nation that has already been conquered.

    And it’s not just France.

    Most of the Western elites who control the governments across Europe and North America are in the same boat. After decades of importing Muslim migrants to replace the millions of children who were never born because of abortion and “family planning,” these Western nations face a problem of their own making and it’s called Islamic immigration.

    Their native populations are getting restless as they discover that their globalist leaders have been lying to them all these years. Islam is not content with its role of being the new “work force” that props up the economies of Germany, France, Belgium and Britain. The nature of Islam is to politically dominate wherever it is given a foothold.

    Yet, the Western political class are increasingly reticent to confront Islam when its violent side spills out into the open. This is why France, the U.K., Belgium, the Netherlands, Sweden and Germany have all become increasingly anti-Israel in recent years. They don’t want to offend their growing Muslim populations. They must bow to this foreign religious ideology, or risk violence in the streets.

    The elites need a way out of this dilemma because right-wing parties are quickly gaining strength, and before long these European countries will all have their own versions of Donald Trump to contend with. That’s the last thing they want. They need an out, a way to save face with native European voters while somehow also giving their new Muslim citizens the feeling that they have a seat at the table of political power.

    They can’t go on indefinitely with Muslims and Christians, representing opposing cultural values and worldviews, living in the same cities and growing further apart by the day. The current model is not sustainable.

    That’s where the interfaith movement comes into play.

    Some of the world’s most prominent Muslims are working on a plan that they hope will offer the secular elites in the U.S., Europe, Canada, and Australia-New Zealand some relief. Give them a “third way” that will lead to peace and security for all.

    The hope is that this third way provides Western elites with an opportunity to stave off a complete Islamic takeover while accepting the most basic tenets of Islamic Sharia. This includes, first and foremost, an end to all Christian proselytizing of Muslims, and secondly, a silencing of all anti-Islam rhetoric in the public space. Any Christian who insists on pointing out the dark side of Islam will be silenced. That’s pretty much already been accomplished, to varying degrees, in the post-Christian, formerly-free Western nations. But Muslim leaders still put forth the “Islamophobia” meme in hopes of getting more out of the deal.

    …

  17. Max says

    May 14, 2019 at 7:04 pm

    These churches wander why so many of us that believe in God have abandoned their socialist and Muslim defender churches. They are now preaching to the very few that are unable to comprehend that they are being indoctrinated.

    • CRUSADER says

      May 14, 2019 at 7:05 pm

      wonder?

      • Max says

        May 14, 2019 at 7:50 pm

        Crusader, it should be obvious to everybody that it is a typo, but maybe you need to be informed.

        • John Allan says

          May 15, 2019 at 1:25 am

          Nothing obvious about it.

        • CRUSADER says

          May 15, 2019 at 4:55 am

          Glad for the clarification.

          Now…. on to the more pressing and larger issues at hand.

          What were you saying about abandoning the churches?

          Please, pray thee, for I do wonder:

          What churches, Max, have YOU found that have proved to preach
          Christianity and the Truth more accurately and more robustly?

          I’m indeed curious about what you’ve been able to discover,
          from a positive and proactive perspective.

          It is fruitful at times to wander, as in a quest, in order to seek
          for such findings.

      • gravenimage says

        May 14, 2019 at 8:31 pm

        Just a typo–I’m sure everyone here has made them from time to time. I know I have.

    • kuriakose says

      May 15, 2019 at 8:38 am

      Max, to add weight to your comments, here is an excerpt from Patrick Sookhdeo’s book, The Death of Western Christianity:

      “Drinking from the Poisoned Wells of the Cultural Revolution.”
      Image of The Death of Western Christianity: Drinking from the Poisoned Wells of the Cultural Revolution
      The Death of Western Christianity: Drinking from the Poisoned Wells of the Cultural Revolution by Patrick Sookhdeo

      He notes how the corruption is especially found in church leadership, and all this is resulting in declining church numbers and the irrelevance of Christianity for so many people. Writes Sookhdeo:

      This has left the Church facing a fatal crisis of identity. Desperate to survive and remain relevant, it has struck a Faustian bargain with postmodern Western ideals, tolerating and taking on unorthodox beliefs and behaviours. This has, in fact, produced the opposite effect, alienating even more people and making the Church an object of ridicule.

      He concludes his volume this way:

      What if God does not bring the earthquake of reversal and the fire of revival? In that case, Christians in the West who are faithful in their love for the Lord must prepare for persecution. As anti-Christian pressures rise and lure Christians into apathy and apostasy, the faithful remnant will have to be ready to suffer or else to go into hiding as an underground church – and from there to mount a guerrilla resistance against the world and Satan’s throne.

      It is a shame that some people cannot bother to examine your words carefully, but start mocking.

      • gravenimage says

        May 15, 2019 at 5:04 pm

        Pointing out a typo–although I thought it unnecessary here–is not mockery of ideas.

        • kuriakose says

          May 15, 2019 at 11:51 pm

          Gi, learn to read properly.
          If we know it is a typo, let it go. What is the point of scoring some political points based on this? Shows immaturity.
          Anyway, the point that Max has brought up is important and should be discussed.
          All these long sermons on how evil islam is only serves to divert attention from the fact that western societies have decayed so much that the barbarians are able to come in freely.
          Now please don’t accuse me of being a closet muslim. You have already accused me of being a hezbollah supporter; only allah knows how you came to that conclusion.

        • gravenimage says

          May 16, 2019 at 9:48 pm

          kuriakose wrote:

          Gi, learn to read properly.
          If we know it is a typo, let it go. What is the point of scoring some political points based on this? Shows immaturity.
          ……………………

          I noted that this was just a typo. But there is nothing intrinsically wrong in pointing out a typo. I have had posters do that with my own comments, and I am not upset by it.

          And finding typos actually *is* reading properly. If one did not read properly, one would never notice typographical errors at all.

          More:

          Anyway, the point that Max has brought up is important and should be discussed.
          All these long sermons on how evil islam is only serves to divert attention from the fact that western societies have decayed so much that the barbarians are able to come in freely.
          ……………………

          I don’t believe that pointing out that Islam is evil diverts attention from anything. Note that Jihad Watch itself often points out the danger and evil of Islam–does he think that Robert Spencer is just trying to “divert attention” from the shortcomings of the West, real or imagined, if he dares to say anything negative about Islam?

          Moreover, it is *quite* possible to criticize the West for foolishly considering Muslims to be just “needy refugees”, and not a threat, and to also note *why* Islam is a threat. Jihad Watch does both all the time.

          In fact, if one just condemned the West for letting Muslims in without noting why this is so dangerous, then many would not understand why this is a bad thing.

          Ergo, noting that Islam is evil is *hardly* diverting attention from the danger we face, despite what kuriakose pretends.

          More:

          Now please don’t accuse me of being a closet muslim. You have already accused me of being a hezbollah supporter; only allah knows how you came to that conclusion.
          ……………………

          This was on a thread–I’m not going to bother to look it up–where kuriakose was praising the appalling chritianblood, who actually *does* laud Hezb’allah, frequently screaming “God bless Hezb’allah!”.

          I apologized to kuriakose when he noted that this was not what he himself was saying.

          That he is now demanding that we not criticize Islam does not of course make him a Muslim–but it doesn’t exactly make him an Anti-Jihadist, either.

        • gravenimage says

          May 18, 2019 at 11:03 pm

          Actually, I *should* have looked up this from kuriakose–it was *much* worse than I had recalled.

          Here, he says that our being conquered by Muslims is a “judgement from God”, and that it is “karma” for us to be destroyed by Islam:

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/05/syria-christian-city-attacked-by-jihadist-militia-missiles-killing-6-civilians-injuring-6-children#comment-2098878

          His implication that God hates the “decadence” of the West and wants to see it replaced with the unutterable horrors of Islam is just grotesque.

          kuriakose may not support Hezb’allah specifically–but, really, how are they any different from all the other Jihadist conquerors that he is applauding here? *Ugh*.

    • kuriakose says

      May 19, 2019 at 5:30 am

      GI
      As I said, you have problems reading. Making inferences like what you made is really a foolish thing. Tell me, does it not say in the Bible that sin has consequences and invites punishment from a God who hates sin?
      The West truly has degenerated and become an easy prey for satanic forces. Quote from Patrick Sookhdeo’s book ‘ The death of Western Christianity’ : He concludes his volume this way:

      What if God does not bring the earthquake of reversal and the fire of revival? In that case, Christians in the West who are faithful in their love for the Lord must prepare for persecution. As anti-Christian pressures rise and lure Christians into apathy and apostasy, the faithful remnant will have to be ready to suffer or else to go into hiding as an underground church – and from there to mount a guerrilla resistance against the world and Satan’s throne.

      That’s how serious the situation. I’m sorry but you reallly are a LIAR, claiming I want God to replace the decadence of the west with..islam. You are really a person who cannot and refuses to understand the truth of what I’m trying to say.
      YES, GOD DOES HATE DECADENCE wherever it comes from.
      Tell me did God intervene when the Israelis were carried into captivity? What did he say about that in the Bible?
      Did God intervene when the muhameddans took over the Middle East and large parts of the Empire?
      Looks to like you are only persuading yourself that nothing like that could happen to the West.
      Ugh indeed, poor soul who cannot reason properly.
      Study the end times prophecies please. Don’t waste your time trying to play semantics (like the muhameddans) to prove that I am somehow a muslim supporter.
      You always want to get the last word in; as if that is some kind of security for you.
      “GI knows better than me what I am saying “

      • gravenimage says

        May 19, 2019 at 8:14 pm

        Good grief. This is what kuriakose had to say:

        “…the West remains the greatest enemy of Christianity. And the filth and decadence prevailing there can only invite in the end, judgement from God. That’s why muhameddans are being allowed to run freely into the west and cause havoc. You do understand karma don’t you?”

        https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/05/syria-christian-city-attacked-by-jihadist-militia-missiles-killing-6-civilians-injuring-6-children#comment-2098878

        I *do not* believe that God wants to see the West overrun by Muslims, nor that this would be “karma”.

        And despite what he thinks, the horrors of Islam are *much* worse than any shortcomings of the West. That kuriakose does not believe they are is very telling.

        • kuriakose says

          May 20, 2019 at 5:23 am

          GI, it has happened in the past. What say you then? That God is powerless or remained silent? Don’t you know history?
          You have some problems, always trying to justify yourself.
          It says clearly in the Bible that God will visit judgement on the world, starting with the false Christians. I doubt very much you are a Christian even, you do not seem to understand the Bible and history.
          Why did the prophets of old keep warning the Israelis about their sins and pending judgement by God?

        • gravenimage says

          May 22, 2019 at 9:05 pm

          The idea that God’s judgement on human shortcomings is to spread the unspeakable horrors of Islam on us is *very* bizarre.

          No, I don’t believe that God–really, this would be “Allah” in this case–wants to see us suffer under Jihad and Shari’ah, and would consider this “justice”.

          And kuriakose saying that he doubts I am a Christian for not wanting to see the savagery of Islam spread around the world is just sickening.

        • A_M_Swallow says

          May 23, 2019 at 3:59 pm

          I think of life as a test. God may wish to see what we will do when the evils of Islam as exposed in front of us.

  18. CRUSADER says

    May 14, 2019 at 7:04 pm

    …

    ~ CHRISLAM ~

    A pope and a king spinning lies —-

    Two of the biggest players in this movement are Pope Francis and King Abdullah II of Jordan. Abdullah is promoting a new “convergence” of Islam with Christianity and some of the pope’s recent statements, such as his admonishment of Christians not to convert Muslims, seem like good cover for the king’s deceptions. The pope also recently signed a pact with a major Islamic leader in which God is said to be pleased by a “diversity of religions.”

    Skip to the 8-minute mark of King Abdullah’s interview last year with Fareed Zakaria of CNN and you will hear some astonishing deceptions being offered up for Western ears.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y95qDoTEZ0#action=share

    (King Abdullah II of Jordan talks to CNN’s Fareed Zakaria about President Donald Trump’s plan to move the US embassy to Jerusalem and the ramifications it may have on the future of the Mideast peace process.)

    In the above interview, you have King Abdullah, one of the world’s most important Muslim leaders, telling CNN that “Muslims believe in Jesus Christ as the Messiah, we believe in the holy virgin mother, and we believe in the Bible and the Torah, and I think that this is the way that all of us were brought up.”

    Of course anyone who has studied Islam knows that Muslims believe nothing of the sort. If it were so, why are Muslims killing Christians throughout much of the world? Against this backdrop there is a serious movement afoot to merge the two religions.

    That movement has in some circles been referred to as “Chrislam.”

    Toward a global religion —-

    Those pushing Chrislam received a boost in March 2017 when a side-event was held at the United Nations Human Rights Council’s 34th ordinary session in Geneva. The Arab-Muslim organizers of this conference, conducted under the auspices of the Geneva Centre for Human Rights Advancement and Global Dialogue, invited representatives from the Muslim and Christian regions of the world “to exchange their views on the convergence between Islam and Christianity.”

    According to the official press release, the conference, titled “Islam and Christianity, the Great Convergence: Working Jointly Towards Equal Citizenship Rights,” was co-sponsored by the Permanent Missions of Algeria, Pakistan and Lebanon – three nations where the treatment of Christians is anything but equal and, in the case of Pakistan, is shamefully brutal.

    Also present at the side-event was William Lacy Swing, the director general of the U.N.’s International Organization for Migration, “who highlighted the importance of recognizing the convergences of the Abrahamic religions – Islam and Christianity – in order to overcome religious divisions,” according to the press release.

    The IOM’s director general said:

    “WE LIVE TODAY IN TURBULENT AND TROUBLED TIMES. THERE ARE MANY AND LOUD VOICES THAT TAKE PERVERSE DELIGHT IN DRAWING ATTENTION TO WHAT DIVIDES AND SPLITS OUR GLOBAL COMMUNITY. IN THESE CIRCUMSTANCES, IT IS ALL TOO EASY TO FORGET THAT ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY – TWO OF THE WORLD’S THREE ANCIENT ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEIST RELIGIOUS TRADITIONS – HAVE MORE IN COMMON THAN IN CONTENTION.”

    The goal of the Geneva Centre’s initiative, as described in the release, is to “highlight the many convergences that exist between Islam and Christianity, to recognize the potential of a ‘great convergence‘ between both religions, and to mitigate and to reverse the social polarization between affiliates of these two religions and the resulting marginalization of religious minorities, discrimination, xenophobia and violence.”

    A special video message was delivered at the conference by none other than His Royal Highness Prince Hassan bin Talal of Jordan, the King’s son, who “highlighted the importance of fostering religious tolerance and inter-faith harmony between Christians and Muslims as well as intra-faith cohesion.”

    Referring to the 2001 Brussels Declaration entitled “’The Peace of God in the World’ Towards Peaceful Coexistence and Collaboration Among the Three Monotheistic Religions: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam”, His Royal Highness underscored the importance of bringing peace to the world and the need for peaceful co-existence between religious groups:

    “The peace of God in the world, as it was put in the Brussels Declaration, is essentially what we seek when we speak about the participation of human capital: it is not only the peace of God, but it is also the peace of God’s children that we attempt to build, by speaking of a “levelling”, that is to say, of universal citizenship with universal values shared by all,” the Jordanian prince said.

    “The fundamental common element about monotheistic religions is faith and confidence in the good, human-loving, compassionate, and merciful God. All of our religions, Judaism, Christianity, Islam consider justice and peace as gifts and blessings from God,” he added.

    St. Paul, the apostle of Christ, warned us in his letter to the Thessalonians that things we take for granted can be stolen away in an instant:

    “FOR WHEN THEY SAY, ‘PEACE AND SAFETY!’ THEN SUDDEN DESTRUCTION COMES UPON THEM, AS LABOR PAINS UPON A PREGNANT WOMAN. AND THEY SHALL NOT ESCAPE.” [I THESSALONIANS 5:3]

    I can’t help but wonder if God isn’t trying to tell us something with the tragic fall of the spires of the great cathedral. Like France, we in America know that our Christian house is on fire, or at least smoldering under the weight of sin and moral decay. Will we wait, like France, until it burns and crashes to the ground, and even then remain in denial, all because we could not bear the thought of calling on the heavenly Fire Chief to put out the flames?

    *********

    Leo Hohmann is an freelance writer and journalist, author of the 2017 book “Stealth Invasion: Muslim Conquest through Immigration and Resettlement Jihad.” He is working on a follow-up that will investigate the Interfaith movement, which is ushering false and antichrist ideas into Western churches. If you would like to support this project, please consider a donation of any size.

    • gravenimage says

      May 14, 2019 at 8:35 pm

      “Christlam” is like mixing ice cream and sh*t. It ends up more like the latter than the former…

  19. Lt Mason says

    May 14, 2019 at 9:16 pm

    Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

    Let them be??

  20. Niemoller says

    May 14, 2019 at 10:07 pm

    The nation of Sweden deserves the Darwin Award for sheer stupidity leading to the self-extermination of its people.

  21. John Allan says

    May 15, 2019 at 1:18 am

    ‘Such action done in the Christian spirit of ‘turning the other check’ and feeding one’s […] …’

    Yep, turning the other check will probably work better than turning the other cheek.

  22. Rufolino says

    May 15, 2019 at 3:32 am

    There can be no “equality” in a mixture of Christianity and Islam.

    The hypothesis is unworkable because Islam, in its essence, demands domination, not equality. That is Islam’s position.

    Such a scheme will very quickly lead to the subjection of Christianity to Islam, and Christianity’s eventual extinction.

  23. tim gallagher says

    May 15, 2019 at 4:14 am

    I think some Christians do seem to think that all that being a Christian involves is just always turning the other cheek. I suppose totally pacifist type Christians are like that. It is as if being a Christian means being a complete doormat. But Christianity also developed the concept of a “just war”. Christians are allowed to fight back against evil. Islam is always at war with non-Muslims and is trying to take over the world. From reading Robert Spencer’s “History of Jihad” I was impressed by some of those Popes at around the time of the Crusades who identified Islam is vile and totally evil. They weren’t fools like the leader of the church in this report seems to be. I think the saying that is appropriate to the foolishness in this report is that “the road to hell is lined with good intentions” . No doubt, the Christians (or at least their leaders) at this Swedish church do have good intentions, however, they are bloody self-destructive fools who really don’t have a clue when it comes to Islam’s nature and how to deal with it. Their ignorance, in bringing ISIS types back to Sweden, puts all non-Muslims in Sweden in danger.

    • CRUSADER says

      May 15, 2019 at 4:45 am

      Better to turn one’s cheek, in order to deliver (a wallop to an adversary),
      than to bend fully over to touch one’s head to a floor mat in order to
      present one’s own arse !

      Get your boot on, there, “Kicking Foot!”

      • tim gallagher says

        May 15, 2019 at 4:40 pm

        I agree, CRUSADER. This constant caving in to Islam is pathetic. As many commenters here have said it is suicidal behaviour. Also, a slight correction to my comment. A couple of hours after I wrote my comment above, I realised that the saying is “The road to hell is paved with good intentions”, not “lined”. I hadn’t thought about that saying for quite a while but I think it aptly describes what this Swedish church’s attitude is all about.

      • gravenimage says

        May 15, 2019 at 5:06 pm

        Yes–Christianity is not a suicide pact.

        • tim gallagher says

          May 15, 2019 at 8:15 pm

          gravenimage, I’d say that the pacifist branch of Christianity probably is suicidal. Christianity definitely frowns on suicide although I believe that it has a compassionate attitude towards people driven to suicide. As a Christian myself, not a particularly good one maybe, I do believe in being as peaceful towards other people as possible, but it certainly isn’t possible with a violent enemy. We need to get tough to defeat enemies that are violent. The leaders of this Swedish church seem like the type of Christians who behave like doormats. The conservative historian Paul Johnson, in his “A History of the Modern World”(from 1917 to the 1980’s) (Weidenfeld and Nicholson, 1983) writes about the lead up to WWII and the increasing power of the Nazis and the people in England who were opposed to re-arming. He includes a quote from the Rev Donald Soper (Methodist) who said, “Pacifism contains a spiritual force strong enough to repel an invader”. It is such a stupid statement that I’ve never forgotten it. Truly insane I think. Off with the fairies. I had to look it up and find where it is in the book again.(P350). I suspect the outlook of the leaders of this Swedish church are similar to Soper’s nonsense.

        • gravenimage says

          May 15, 2019 at 10:08 pm

          Tim, I just meant that many Christians–including many very devout–have indeed defended themselves, their loved ones, and their lands before–including from Islam.

          None of us would be free today were this not the case.

        • tim gallagher says

          May 16, 2019 at 12:54 am

          Point taken, gravenimage. That’s definitely true and they’re going to have to wake up and fight again against islam. Maybe a lot of people in the western countries just don’t have enough belief in our western values, including Christianity, to fight for them these days. People in Hungary and Poland still seem to have it. In the past, more people seemed to have a stronger belief and weren’t as wimpy in standing up against menaces like Islam.

        • gravenimage says

          May 16, 2019 at 9:49 pm

          Tim, I think a lot of people in the West are still in denial that there actually *is* a threat to our values.

        • tim gallagher says

          May 17, 2019 at 5:43 am

          I’m sure you’re right, gravenimage. It’s amazing, because there’s so much evidence of Islam’s ill will towards our values by now, isn’t there. So many terrorist attacks, etc. It truly is amazing that so many people can still be in denial.

        • gravenimage says

          May 18, 2019 at 11:04 pm

          Yes, Tim–this denial runs *very* deep.

  24. R.C. says

    May 15, 2019 at 7:19 am

    Such Cultural Marxism–is not of the Christian spirit–but rather is of the spirit of anti-Christ. So many simple minded people–cannot understand that just because its a ‘church’, and goes under the christian moniker–does not make them Biblically Christian people. The numbers of Biblically Christian Swedish people–are extremely low.

  25. No Muzzies Here says

    May 15, 2019 at 10:29 am

    The flag of Sweden carries a side-leaning cross in recognition of the Christian foundation of Sweden. By all reasonable estimates, that cross will be stripped from the flag in about 3 years so as to make Sweden more welcoming to the people who are wiping it out and replacing it with a Sharia state.

    • James Lincoln says

      May 15, 2019 at 4:20 pm

      No Muzzies Here,

      You are correct. The Nordic Cross design traditionally represents Christianity.

      I am actually surprised that the cross on the Swedish flag has survived this long.

  26. Raja says

    May 15, 2019 at 12:15 pm

    This so called priest needs a deprogram on Christianity. He has very little knowledge of the bible with no study of the bible nor the biblical examples of how they treated their enemies.

    This shows that there is hardly any Christian left in Sweden and those doing the talking are having pathetic knowledge of the Bible.

    The slap through the millenniums has meant exactly the same as that of Christ’s time. It was and is insult. A Christian was and is expected to be tolerant of insults. On the contrary Even Christ questioned those who assaulted him by asking why do you assault me?

    It is perfectly OK to hate evil i.e, Islam. Pslams 139 is a good example of that, wherein the writer is also examining himself before God if he is wrong in anyway. The apostles consistently said: hate what is evil….

    Christine is 100 per cent right about mixing kindness with caution, citing bible verses.

    Since IS is the epitome of Satan and his followers Christians should be praying to God and Govt for delivery. God rescued the Christians around the year 68 AD when the Roman army encompassed Jerusalem and destroyed the city and its people. Those who took the words of Jesus seriously fled to mountains and were saved. They returned to their homes after the war or the threat was over.

    The Swedes with all the muddled thinking and stupid application of the bible cannot be safe or be saved.They need to sum up the bible verses to come to some sensible ideas for survival and to lead a normal life.

    The Psalmist says: The sum of they word is truth. Ps 119: 160

  27. DP111 says

    May 17, 2019 at 7:06 am

    Muslims believe in “Inshallah” – everything is the will of allah. Thus a successful Jihadi attack, where hundreds of Infidels are killed, must be due to the will of allah – Inshaallah. So it cannot be condemned.

    Muslims believe that if the victim either forgives the Jihadis or does not retaliate, it is because Allah has decreed it so, for he has rotted the mind of the kuffar to defeat. An unsuccessful Jihad is dismissed as “it was not the will of allah” at this time.

    Its why Muslims will not apologize for the crimes of their fellow Jihadis – the successful Jihad was the will of Allah, thus cannot be condemned. Thus ictims offering forgiveness, not retaliating or even castigating ourselves for Islamophobia, encourages further Jihad attacks.

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