Says the Vatican in reflecting the muscular efforts of Pope Francis to fully embrace Islam:
“We Muslims and Christians are called to open ourselves to others, knowing and recognizing them as brothers and sisters…. this way, we can tear down walls raised out of fear and ignorance and seek together to build bridges of friendship that are fundamental for the good of all humanity.”
The endearing use of the phrase “brothers and sisters” invokes a vision of harmony and peace together. This is not the case between Muslims and Christians globally. Too many Christians live under the worst conditions in Islamic countries, as they endure violent persecution daily under the Sharia. The Pope of Islam is living a lie and promoting the same. Ongoing, he has abandoned persecuted Christians, and also persecuted other minority groups including minority Muslim groups and other victims of jihad. He has also turned a blind eye to Islamic supremacist assaults and jihad attacks in Western countries as a result of open door immigration.
His pursuit of dialogue has never included the demand that Islamic leaders and adherents accept religious freedoms, and the equality of other faiths and human beings regardless of gender and personal identity. The Pope does not promote a two way street in his so-called advancement of “dialogue”. His expectation is that Christians must embrace “dialogue”, “diversity” and “tolerance” of everyone—including jihadists– but he has no such message and expectation of Muslims.
The Pope has also declared Rome to be a “city of bridges, never walls!,” and further stated that “Jesus demands” we take in Muslim migrants. Meanwhile, he lives in a walled city within Rome, surrounded by security, and he is not taking in any migrants himself.
Conversely, Cardinal Robert Sarah — prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments — compared “the modern influx of Muslim migrants to the invasions of barbarian tribes that ultimately brought down the Roman Empire in a.d. 475.” Sarah also warned that “it is a false exegesis [interpretation of scriptural text] to use the Word of God to promote migration. God never wanted these rifts.”
For the Pope’s trip to Morocco, Vatican media promotions abandoned the traditional papal insignia and replaced it with the cross and the crescent; and the crescent did not appear “alongside the cross, as if a companion to it. Rather, the Islamic symbol encircles the Christian one” symbolizing a kind of submission to Islam. In Islamic law, Muslim lives are explicitly worth more than those of non-Muslims. The Shafi’i Sharia manual Reliance of the Traveller dictates: “The indemnity for the death or injury of a woman is one-half the indemnity paid for a man. The indemnity paid for a Jew or Christian is one-third the indemnity paid for a Muslim. The indemnity paid for a Zoroastrian is one-fifteenth that of a Muslim.” (o4.9) Sikhs rank even lower, as they are not People of the Book. The Pope addresses none of this.
Pope Francis has accurately been hailed the “defender of Islam”. As Robert Spencer rightly notes:
Pope Francis is not only disastrously wrongheaded about an obvious fact that is reinforced by every day’s headlines; he is also deceiving and misleading his people about a matter of utmost importance, and keeping them ignorant and complacent about a growing and advancing threat.
“Vatican Wishes Happy Ramadan to ‘Muslim Brothers and Sisters’”, by Thomas D. Williams, Breitbart, May 10, 2019:
The Vatican has sent a special message to all the world’s Muslims, wishing them “a peaceful and fruitful celebration of Ramadan.”
The month of Ramadan, which began this year on May 5, is “a month for strengthening the spiritual bonds we share in Muslim-Christian friendship,” reads the message from the Vatican’s office of interreligious dialogue bearing the title “Christians and Muslims: Promoting Universal Fraternity.”
“We Muslims and Christians are called to open ourselves to others, knowing and recognizing them as brothers and sisters,” the text states. “In this way, we can tear down walls raised out of fear and ignorance and seek together to build bridges of friendship that are fundamental for the good of all humanity.”
“We thus cultivate in our families and in our political, civil and religious institutions, a new way of life where violence is rejected, and the human person respected,” reads the message, which bears the signature of Bishop Miguel Ángel Ayuso Guixot, secretary of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue.
Our religions invite us to “remain rooted in the values of peace; to defend the values of mutual understanding, human fraternity and harmonious coexistence; to re-establish wisdom, justice and love,” the text says, citing a joint declaration signed by Pope Francis and the Grand Imam Ahmed a-Tayyeb in Abu Dhabi this past February.
That same declaration brought down heavy criticism on the pope particularly due to the assertion that the plurality and diversity of religions “are willed by God in His wisdom,” just as God wills a plurality of colors, sexes, races, and languages.
A number of Catholic theologians raised objections to the statement, insisting that it seemed to suggest that either God actively wills error, or that all religions are equally valid paths to God. The existence of a variety of colors, races, and languages in humanity is very different from a variety of contradictory claims about God’s identity and way of acting, they said.
In early April, Francis walked back the earlier statement, clarifying that in reality God only permits the existence of many religions without actively willing it.
The Vatican’s Ramadan message steers clear of such theological swampland.
“We are encouraged, therefore, to continue advancing the culture of dialogue as a means of cooperation and as a method of growing in knowledge of one another,” the message says……
Terry Gain says
Dope Francis embraces a fraudulent ideology that claims Christ faked his death. That photo is obscene.
christianblood says
Roman Catholic establishment is a secular, pro-islamist, anti-Christ establishment and its not much different from hollywood! They both hate Christians and love islamists!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_MZKRG3frQ
gravenimage says
christianblood has claimed many times that anyone who is not Orthodox “hates Christians”.
Wellington says
Yes indeed, gravenimage. Christianblood is quite annoyingly consistent here.
Russia, good, good, good. Orthodox Christianity, good, good, good. The Iranian regime just fine, fine, fine. America evil. The West evil. Non-Orthodox Christianity, bad, bad, bad. Blah, blah. blah.
Never changes. It has become beyond tedious.
Good chance that christianblood will post a tendentious video he has nauseatingly posted before again and again and again in another pathetic attempt to refute what I have asserted in this post.
P.S. And, of course, Putin “high-fiving” a Saudi prince MEANS NOTHING, but Trump doing a dance with the decrepit Saudis MEANS EVERYTHING.
Keys says
You have lost credibility with statements like this, CB.
You must know some of the history of the RCC and the good done in this world by many of their members. So what are you up to ?
*******
Muslim governments control their people through Islam.
Is the leadership in Russia trying to destroy the West and to control their people through orthodoxy ? Putin is assisting the Cubans, Venezuelans, Iranians, North Koreans, and others to bring down the USA.
I once hoped Putin would help ally Russia and the USA, but I see from his actions he can not be trusted.
You condemn the whole USA because of the globalist agenda of some leaders, and some people seeking power here. Why don’t you and Putin help the USA get rid of the globalists by exposing them instead of condemning the whole country ? There is much good in the USA, and in Russia.
christianblood says
Keys
I am not talking about the R.CC of old but the current RCC establishment which was deeply inlitrated and corrupted by the frankfort school and cultural marxism! You see right now, hollywood is rewarding Al-Qaeda with oscars and the Pope and many of his vatican elites are praising islam while ignoring the fiery persecution of Christians worldwide. I don’t see any difference! The Catholic establishment is an anti-Christ secular organizations just like hollywood and they both support and love islamists, including islamist jihadists!
Wellington says
Bullshit, christianblood. But go ahead and prove me wrong. Cite admirable moments in Roman Catholic history. Do it.
Meanwhile, Putin remains cozy with the Iranian regime which, among so many other wrongs, punishes women for not wearing the hijab and kills gay men for simply being gay, and which regime has repeatedly called for the extinction of Israel. And the Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church, Krill, has time and time again made the faux distinction between “radical Islam” and “Islam.” So much for Russian “perceptiveness.”
Your double standard is rank, christianblood, and you have displayed it numerous times for so many here at JW to see. You have virtually no supporters at this site and those you do are all fools. Quite the company you keep.
gravenimage says
All true, Wellington and Keys.
Keys says
“The Catholic establishment is an anti-Christ secular organizations (sic) just like hollywood and they both support and love islamists…”
Another false generalization, CB. This statement is not true; it is a lie. This will not bring peace and justice to this world.
“The Catholic establishment is anti- Christ …”. I do not believe that you believe that, so what are you hoping to accomplish with these absurdities ?
Here is a false generalization for you: The Russian establishment is a re-emerged Cold War KGB Communist regime disguised as Orthodox Christianity.
How does that sit with you ? I bet you disdain false accusations.
christianblood says
Keys
Roman Catholic establishment is led by secular, cultural marxist principals. I know this for real, Keys! In a decade or two, RCC will be legalizing “gay marriage” and will probably have a “gay” Pope at that time! Corruption, corruption and moral corruption is at the core of the core of the RCC establishment! RCC establishment IS DISGUSTINGLY ANTI-CHRIST AND EVIL!
gravenimage says
christianblood has claimed before that the Catholic Church defending against Islam was “anti-christ”.
CRUSADER says
“We Muslims and Christians are called to open ourselves to others, knowing and recognizing them as brothers and sisters…. this way, we can tear down walls raised out of fear and ignorance and seek together to build bridges of friendship that are fundamental for the good of all humanity.”
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Dope Pope — indeed !
The claim that Christians are “called to open” to Muslims is a lame excuse.
Has he been listening to voices in his head again?
Maybe it is the angel Malak Jabaril…..
and Islam will get another revelation!!
katherine says
Astonishing ! Angel Gabriel is now planting the teachings of al-Lah in the head of Pope Francis, the 2nd Prophet of Islam.
Fritz says
Jesus actually didn’t say to embrace your mortal enemy so that he can stab you more easily in the back.
christianblood says
Fritz
Jesus said, “sell your coat and buy a sword”.
St. Luke 22:36
christianblood says
Jesus, the iconoclast spiritual revolutionary in action!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boNIL1owRAI
Benedict says
C: Your understanding of Christ seems to be inspired by Reza Aslan’s distorted view set forth in his book ZEALOT?
Allan L. Nadler, a Professor of Religious Studies, has written a devastating review of Aslan‘s book:
“Aslan’s entire book is, as it turns out, an ambitious and single-minded polemical counter-narrative to what he imagines is the New Testament’s portrayal of Jesus Christ.”
C: You should correct you view of Christ who said, “Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword.”
christianblood says
Benedict
I never read Reza Aslan’s book but it is very clear from the gospels
that Jesus Christ, while being a homeless street preacher was also
a profound spiritual revolutionary who turned the established religious order of His day totally upside down! Every minute of His 3 year-long ministry on Earth, Jesus was vehemently opposed by the religious elites of His day trying to silence Him, trap Him, throw Him off cliffs, stone Him or simply kill Him!
The words of Jesus to Peter “..Put your sword back into its place..)
which He spoke after Peter struck the ear of the servant of the high priest to defend Jesus was given within that context alone and it does not mean that Christians should lay down and take it when faced genocidal enemies like ISIS or Al-Qaeda!
Watch how He skillfully extricates one of their more serious trappings (a catch 22 one) and seriously trashes His opponents in the process!
There is no one like Jesus and never will be!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCuHbK_V9dQ
Wellington says
As usual, christianblood, you miss the larger point. Benedict’s primary point was that Jesus was not a Zealot meant in the way the silly Azlan has contended.
Jesus was not at all concerned with establishing a new political regime in Palestine, which Aslan stupidly and ignorantly alleges he was.
Man, you miss the “big picture” again. You virtually always do.
christianblood says
Wellington
As I said, I never read or believe whatever Aslan wrote in his book.
I am pointing out the fact Jesus was spiritual revolutionary who shook up
the religious elites of His day. Jesus taught divine love, spiritual morality
and righteousness are much more important than following the law!
Jesus was continuously attacked, for instance, healing the sick on the Sabbath. Plz watch the clip below to see what I am talking about:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_80Xpyqibr0
gravenimage says
Of course, christianblood has also said that my not wanting to be gang-raped and beheaded by Muslims means I am resisting the Truth of Christ.
Dawne says
Oh for goodness sake… I just despair
Isntlam says
Not sure what’s happening in that photo. Never trust men who wear dresses.
Savvy Kafir says
Even though I’m not Catholic, I remember being pleased when this guy became pope — and named himself after the animal-and-nature-loving Saint Francis — the closest thing Catholicism has to a pantheist saint.
But what a HUGE disappointment he’s been! I’m still convinced that he’s a nice guy who means well — but his willful ignorance regarding Islam is just unforgivable. He’s a poster boy for progessivism gone mad. And his loving embrace of Muslims, “refugees”, and All Things Islamic amounts to treason against the civilized world.
CRUSADER says
Savvy ~
I too was on such a parallel course; and I appreciated that he was fond of nature and animals, akin to his adopted title’s namesake.
What a crest-fall.
It’d be best if Christendom were to take a moon-th long hiatus from this misguided/lost/blind/deaf pope, and instead of following his lead — Christians should fast and Gospel-read. We need to get cleansed of his influence.
Renate says
He does seem to have a fondness for animals…mostly those of the two-legged variety.
ntesdorf says
Is that a picture of a Muslim Scholar biting Pope Francis on the nose? Rather apt….
infidel says
The Kiss of DEATH indeed. This Pope has really really really really LOST IT….
Kepha says
Tha Pooooope Frankly Boogaloogaloo is hereby nominated for arch-Dhimmi of the Ages award.
owensgate says
If it weren’t totally clear before, what we are seeing is the “Final One-World Religion” of the anti-Christ forming up right before our eyes. “…(O)ur Brothers and Sisters”? Well of course they are, equally blaspheming against the Lord; each one is an abomination to Him. If you are Catholic, run fast and far, far away from this false teaching, you are following it at your peril.
LadyTess says
AGREED how far must this False Prophet go before those who follow him “see” the deception? I am pained at Catholics today who still make excuses for their hierarchy’s sins. When the pedopriests were revealed God was calling out the falsehood. Are you Catholics waiting for a bolt of lightening to strike you?! “Get out of her my people before you share in her sins.Rev 18:4
Billy Chickens says
Would Jesus wish Lucifer a special message of peace, tear down walls and recognize Satan as a brother?
Westman says
Francis: “…this way, we can tear down walls raised out of fear and ignorance…”
That wall is errected in every mosque and madrassa for every child who is taught the Quran and quoted from the Hadith. It is not raised from fear, rather, by teaching children aggression toward unbelievers.
If Francis would take a moment to actually observe, he would realize that, like the wall between the Israelis and Islamists, one side has all the symbols and machinations of aggressive violence painted on it and the other side is clear; forced to adopt the stance of defense.
Francis’ actions only make sense if his image is replaced by that of a very young child, living in a protected environment, playing at word games.
CRUSADER says
Pope Frank is a complete hypocrite when it comes to construction sites.
Frank Anderson says
The complete betrayal of Christians by the proclaimed leader of a near majority of them is amazing. I cannot believe this is done from ignorance of history or teaching of the muslim criminal conspiracy. It is not necessary that each member of a conspiracy know all the details, or that he join only at the beginning. A person can join a criminal conspiracy at any time during its existence just by seeking to further its goals. Islam has the goal of violent world conquest, murder and slavery, and has killed many hundreds of millions in overt acts for 1400 years. Each reader should decide for himself who wishes to further the crimes of islam.
revereridesagain says
But of course, “secularists” are the REAL problem. Even when we persist in critcizing Islam to the “interfaith”-addled Christians (and, sadly, Jews) who defend it.
LadyTess says
AGREED such is the blasphemous “coexist” bumper sticker all around and clueless Christians are promoting. Are we to coexhist with Satan or are we to REBUKE him? Jesus said a mans fruits(his actions) will tell you the kind of man he is. For centuries islam has taken actions abhorrent to God and all things merciful.Wake UP Christian you are being taught another Jesus and are decieved!
gravenimage says
There are Christians, Jews, and Atheists who all recognize the threat of Islam–and many of these groups who do not.
R Russell says
The more I see what this man is saying and doing, the more I am persuaded that he might be the Last Pope as was prophesied by St Malachy.
LadyTess says
AHH welcome to the fold of woke ones dear friend! May I suggest an author you will find most interesting and knowledgeable. Tom Horn. Hope you will read his book “The Final Roman Emperor The Islamic Ant-Christ” if you haven’t already!
R Russell says
I haven’t read that one. Will look for it when I have finished my latest heavy read. “The original Sources of the Quran” by W St Clair Tisdall.
LadyTess says
TY for the equally important read and heads up. Stay safe friend!
James Lincoln says
The picture supplied with the feature article made me think of a scene from “The Godfather: Part 2”.
Even the clothing colors match.
The Pope better watch his back when dealing with Islam…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcFlp6kl508
LadyTess says
He doesn’t have to he’s part of the plan.
James Lincoln says
LadyTess,
I’m afraid that you are correct…
CRUSADER says
Classic kiss-off scene!
Grazie for the memory.
Jay says
This pope is a traitor to the Catholic Church! He is a wolf in sheep’s clothing!
As a life long Catholic I have absolutely no respect for Pope Francis and have not donated to
the Catholic Church since he became pope!! Every envelope from my parish has the pope’s picture on it!
It’s disgusting!!
Just my humble opine!
Wellington says
Good for you. Money talks.
What a disaster Francis is, not only to Roman Catholicism, but to Christianity in general and, by extension, to Western Civilization. If Islam had somehow managed to furtively put their own man on the throne of Saint Peter, I don’t think he could have done more damage than this guy has. Dupe or plant, the effect has roughly been the same.
gravenimage says
Grimly true, Wellington.
Richard says
No, it’s not just your humble opinion, Jay. I feel the same way; God bless you! When I go to Mass at our cathedral, I follow the scripture readings in my Catholic Bible and they edit their readings to remove denunciations of sins like adultery and homosexuality. That is NOT the Catholic religion! When the Pope said “We Muslims and Christians”, he is placing the “We” on the Muslim side, verbally breaking himself off from being a Christian, whether he recognizes I or not. Jesus said “He who hears My word and keeps it is My mother and my sister and my brother”. That does not include Muslims. Confutatis maledictus!
Geoffrey Britain says
‘Pope’ Francis… fool or knave? A strong argument can be made for either.
My take is that he’s an utter fool regarding Islam and a closet Marxist supporter of ‘liberation’ theology.
Frank Anderson says
G.B. from 2001 and GWB’s proclamation of the “religion of peace” until nearly 10 years later, I was totally misinformed and foolish about the teachings and practice of islam. But, I am not the “final and infallible” leader of most of a billion Christians. When any person takes the authority of leadership he also takes the duty to know what he is doing. Any reading of history, EXCEPT for the Koran itself, makes clear the evil and criminal nature of islam. The exception I make for the koran is based on its being scrambled so that a first time reader will never see the development from a relatively in-offensive religion into a cult and criminal conspiracy.
I have been quoting the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals most of the time I have been commenting here that “Deliberate ignorance constitutes knowledge of the truth.” Wyle v. R.J. Reynolds. After all the killings, rapes, kidnappings and other violence around the world conduct by followers of islam in strict accordance with the “final, perfect, complete, unchangeable” teachings, there is no excuse for failing to recognize the inherent evil and utterly hopeless possibility of it changing its uncivilized goal of world conquest and slaughter. “If islam is such a great deal why were 4,000,000 Egyptians slaughtered bringing it to Egypt?” The Unfinished Battle, page 52 (paraphrased) Mark Gabriel, PhD. The time for indecision and excuses is long passed. The time to hold collaborators responsible is long overdue.
James Lincoln says
Frank Anderson says,
“from 2001 and GWB’s proclamation of the “religion of peace” until nearly 10 years later, I was totally misinformed and foolish about the teachings and practice of islam.”
Frank, thank you so much for that admission. I, personally, was “less than enlightened” about the teachings and practices of Islam. And 60+ hour work weeks didn’t help much…
My personal turning point was during the run-up to the 2016 presidential election. Dr. Ben Carson stated, on Meet the Press, that he would not support a Muslim as President of the United States. He also said that Islam, as a religion, is incompatible with the Constitution.
I have always had immense respect for Dr. Carson so I decided to do an in-depth study of Islam. The hardest part was finding accurate, reliable, evidence-based information. Jihad Watch and some other reputable anti-jihad websites, etc., were invaluable in my quest for knowledge.
It’s been almost 4 years and I now understand Islam better than 95% of Americans – which might not be saying much. It has come at a cost, however. I will never look at the world in the same way again.
Frank Anderson says
James, the best part of OUR stories is that even with all the education and experience we have, we are not too old to learn; nor too proud to admit errors. I have no reasonable doubt we have known many people who are incapable of either.
CRUSADER says
Nearly 4 years since Trump descended that golden escalator to make his glorified announcement!!!
gravenimage says
Thank, you for your stories, Frank and James.
For me, it was 9/11. I had been increasingly concerned about terrorism from Muslims, especially in Israel–but it was only after 9/11 that I determined to see if Islam really did preach violence. One of the first things I did was read the Qur’an. Even knowing nothing about abrogation and that the Suras were not in chronological order, I was still just shocked by its violence.
Everything I have learned since has deepened my knowledge–but still only strengthened my first impression.
I discovered Jihad Watch in 2006–I believe this is the very best source for information on the global Jihad.
James Lincoln says
gravenimage,
Thank you for your story as well. We probably all have one.
Since the Iranian revolution in 1979, I always knew that there was a problem with “Islamic fundamentalists”, as they were called, but I didn’t know until 2015 that there was a problem with regular, mainstream, Islam practiced by so-called “moderate” Muslims. We had all been told by the mainstream media that “radical” Islam was the problem and not plain-vanilla Islam. The content of the mainstream media suffered from both willful ignorance and outright deception/propaganda – aided by the Muslim Brotherhood.
As I said, the run-up to the 2016 presidential election, as well as the massive influx of Muslim migrants in Western Europe with the resulting problems, caused me to do some very in-depth research.
As a sidebar, even with this all going on around us, we still need to find time to enjoy the day with our loved ones.
gravenimage says
Agreed. James. Thanks for the reply.
And I agree that we need to celebrate what we love and admire as well as to oppose what threatens us.
CRUSADER says
And for me, it was accumulative exposure:
Raid on Entebbe
PLO Arafat terrorism
Iranian Islamic Revolution
Lebanon Civil War
Intifada vs Israel
Saudi misbehavior
1993 WTC bombing
Kosovo War
Al-Qaeda warnings
2001 WTC bombing
and we were off to the races….
CogitoErgoSum says
Sorry, Pope Francis, I am not going to call Muslims my brothers and sisters unless they are baptized into the faith. Now, I will see them as my neighbor, even though they are not very good neighbors to me. As for what Jesus demanded, well, tell me more about that demand of Jesus that one MUST be born again to see the kingdom of God. (See John 3:1-21.)
gravenimage says
Neighbors who want to oppress and murder you are very bad neighbors indeed.
CogitoErgoSum says
Yes, the Pope is going on with this brothers and sisters routine that I just can’t follow theologically speaking. He could probably gain more credibility by speaking about neighbors and what it takes to be a good neighbor — which would contain a lesson not only for Christians but Muslims as well. But as it is, he is focusing on the Christians as being like the jealous brother who who stayed at home with his father and became angry about his brother who ran away from home, spent all his inheritance and then came back. Well, the Muslims are not wanting to come back as repentant brothers who just want to be forgiven and treated as a hired hand. They are acting like bad neighbors who are trashing the neighborhood and want to run the everybody else out of town and take all the remaining inheritance for themselves.
CRUSADER says
WATERMELON!!!
Pope is a Marxist in his mind while being a Catholic at heart.
He is so misguided in his spirit.
“Green New Deal”? : RED wrapped in Green
“Chrislam”? : RED wrapped in Green (as pseudo- convergent “christian”)
Despicable!!!!
Mealy watermelons — all of it….
Discard them!!!
CRUSADER says
“Neighbors”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmsRVNZ6Bw4
CRUSADER says
He’s done this before: 2013 for example…
Pope Francis greets Muslims for the start of Ramadan —
During his visit to the island of Lampedusa (near Tunisia), the Pope sent his best wishes to Muslims in light of the start of the Ramadan. The Pope greeted them by saying ‘o’scià’, which is a phrase in the island’s dialect meaning ‘my breath’ and is used by locals as a friendly greeting. . . .
“….with affection of those Muslim immigrants…
Ramadan, which I trust will bear abundant spiritual fruit…”
(What a coddling pandering enabler!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFFP9M_ayTI
gravenimage says
This is especially appalling, as Muslims have been using Lampadusa as a staging ground for the invasion of Europe.
gravenimage says
Lampedusa
CRUSADER says
“LambastedUSA”
Walter Sieruk says
A true ,as in real and genuine Christian who is honest can really call a Muslim his “brother.” This is because Christian and Muslim believe in a different god. As this following essay explains.
The scholar as well as author, Nabeel Qureshi of the book entitled ANSWERING JIHAD who in the past was a Muslim but now a Christian had explained clearly that god of Islam is not the God of the Bible. For on page 113 in his book he informs the reader that “Islam roundly condemns worship of the Trinity [5:73], establishing in contrast its own core principle of Tawhid, the absolute oneness of God. Tawhid emphatically denies the Trinity; so much that it is safe to say the doctrine of God in Islam is antithetical to the doctrine of God in Christianity. Not just different but opposed.” Further on page 116 he elaborates that “Tawhid is antithetical to the Trinity, fundamentally incompatible and only similar superficially and semantically, Muslims and Christians do not worship the same God.” Therefore it’s fitting then to make a reiteration of the following essay on this very important subject.
There are a number of apologists for Islam, some are imams and mullahs and strangely enough, even some so called “Christian” leaders,as popeFrancis,, who have made the outstanding claim that Christians and Muslim both believe in and worship the same God. So it stands to reason that it’s important to know if this claims valid and true or invalid and false. The facts are that the god of Islam or the Muslims is a single being. In great contrast the God of Christianity, of the Christians consists as the Trinity. By the Trinity it means that “Within the essence of the one True God there are Three Persons. Being God the Father. God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Not three gods in one But Three Distinct Persons in One God. Being the Tri-Personal Nature of God, Matthew 3:13-17. Second Corinthians 13:14. . The Bible teaches, the Father is God, Galatians 1:1.The Son is God, First John 5:20. The Holy Spirit is God, Acts 5:3,4. Not three gods but the one and only Triune God.
As further explained in the Christian book MAJOR BIBLE THEMES by Lewis Sperry Chafer on page 39 which informs the readers that “Many believe that the doctrine of the Trinity in implicit in the use of the word Elohim, as the name of God which is in a plural form and seems to refer to the Triune God. “ Likewise, in the Christian magazine PERHAPS TODAY November/December 2013 on page 8 it reads about Genesis 1:1. “In the beginning God [this is the plural noun Elohim, meaning ‘more than one’] created the heaven and the earth.” Furthermore, a bit of a view of the inner workings of the Trinity together may be seen in that the God the Father raised Jesus from the dead. Romans 10:9,10. Jesus raised Himself from the dead, John 2:19,20. The Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead, Romans 8:11.The inner-workings of the Trinity of God may also be seen in the fact that the Father sanctifies, First Thessalonians 5:23. The Son sanctifies, Ephesians 5:26. Hebrews 2:11; 9:12,14;13:12.The Holy Spirit sanctifies ,Romans 15:16. Second Thessalonians 2:13. Getting back to the Bible book of Genesis. In Genesis 1:26 in reads “The God said let US make man in Our image , according to our likeness…” The words are the plural “Us” and “Our.” As in “We the Trinity” For the very next verse, 27, it further reads “So God created man in His own image…” In verse 26 it’s the plural “Us” and “Our” to the singular “His” That is Three Persons in One God. In addition, in the New Testament in Matthew 28:19 It further reads the Jesus said “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the the Son and the Holy Spirit.” [N.K.J.V] That is “name” not “names.”
In conclusion the many apologists and propagandists for Islam for Islam who make the claim that Christians and Muslims believe in and worship the same God are make an untrue and outright false claim. For the God of Christianity, Christians and the Bible is not the god of Islam Muslims and the Koran.
Therefore Christians and Muslims have never been and are not and will never be “brothers and sisters..”
CRUSADER says
Glad that you have come across Nabeel Qureshi. R.i.P.
Ravi Zacharias is spectacular, of course. Indefatigably so.
Ex-Muslim “apologist” now, converted-Christian top lawyer: Abdu Murray —
https://www.rzim.org/speakers/abdu-murray
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhqtlmIWuRY
A_M_Swallow says
The Pope should be calling on Muslims to repent. The ways to the devil are wrong.
CRUSADER says
Radical Islam: The Most Dangerous Ideology
(Raymond Ibrahim for PragerU)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LGzrYUGXdI&list=LL4MfavsgjbWMe4_paWrLV9Q&index=708
CRUSADER says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LGzrYUGXdI
Walter Sieruk says
Actually the term “Radical Islam ” ia rather unknown in the Muslim world. For the is a Western term .This is because what Westerners call “Radical Islam” is really the hard core non-watered down violent and deadly Islam that is Qu ‘an based ,Sura, 9;5,111,233. 47:4
What many Westerners all “moderate Islam” is is a watered -down mild non-violent type of Islam.
Walter Sieruk says
How unbiblical about to even think that Christians and Muslims are “brother and sisters” in the faith. For this is not the same faith .For the God of the Christians .God the father, has an “only begotten Son” By contrast the god of Islam has not son.
As the Quran in 112 teaches “He is God alone: God is the eternal begetteth not…” Likewise, this religious book which is the entire foundation of and for Islam further teaches in 19:35. “It is not befitting to God that He should beget a son.” In great contrast the Bible teaches in John 1:14. “The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory , the glory of the only begotten of the Father ,full of grace and truth.” [N.K.J.V.] Likewise John 3:16 teaches “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son… Then just a little further in verse 18 it is written about Jesus Who is “the only begotten Son of God. “ Other places in the Bible further teach that Jesus is the Son of God as in Matthew 16:15:16. Luke 1:35. John 3:36. First John 4:14. 15. 5:14,15. Moreover to be even more clear the Bible teaches that Jesus is the Son of God, Who is God the Father. As found in Matthew 3:16,17. First John 2:22,23. 4:14,15. Of course , it ,very much, needs to made even more specific . The Bible teaches that Jesus is also God the Son. As seen in Hebrew 1:8 and First John 5:20. The imams and mullahs as well as the other apologists for Islam will try to “explain” this all away. As in they will try brush off all those Bible verse off by making the claim that the Bible had been corrupted, through time, by Christians and that’s why the Bible reads as it does. That claim they make actually underestimate the Power of God to protect and keep His Word safe and intact ,through time, and away from the corruption of men.
In conclusion ,with the above instruction of the way to find doctrinal truth in Isaiah 8:20 and in the light of the Bible verse provided it may be clearly seen, by all those who are willing to see, that Islam is in terrible doctrinal error and it is therefore a false religion, Proverbs 14:12. John 14:6.
In addition there is a Christian internet site which replies to the many claims made by the imams and mullahs as well as the other apologists for Islam. It’s http://www.answering-islam.org
mortimer says
Be wise as serpents, but harmless as doves. – Jesus
j says
I wonder which Bible this guy is reading! John clearly spoke in an epistle about how we were even to reject greeting others of a different doctrine. The scriptures clearly speak of how immigrants were to adhere to the same law in the promised land as were the Israelites.
Spiro says
Well I guess the Moslems are going to wish Christians a happy Easter and even a marry Christmas
Is the vactian opening its WALLS to Moslems from Africa
Of course they wount like the icons in ST Peters
No Muzzies Here says
The Pope has willingly submitted to the religion whose very name means submission.
Spiro says
PS I guess the pope can have interior of St Peters
repainted so it wount offend the delicate feelings of the pagan Moslems
Ric says
This picture is worth not a mere thousand words but copious words. It affirms that Pope Francis is a man of utter deceitfulness, a betrayer to his flock while pandering to a political, terror cult professing religiosity. One looks back in history, a time when the hands of the Nazis industrially slaughtered six million Jews. The, then, Pope Pius chose not to advocate for the lives of the Jews but to remain mute and unmoved by these heinous acts against humanity. Francis is no different; he wants not to defend the lives of the myriad of Jihad’s Christian victims. Instead, his focus is the ‘plight’ of Muslim migrants possessed by the innate intent to ‘finalize’ the Final Solution. Francis, also, endeavors the end of Western Democracy and civilization with the establishment of Judeo-Christian principles.
This perfidious Pope’s ambitions are with Satan, not Christ or God. A man whose reign could spell the end of Roman Catholicism; not that he gives a damn.
abad says
The last Christian was Benedict. Francis is a Fraud, the AntiChrist.
He cares about nothing but Islam.
FYI says
francis has actually been widely condemned within Catholicism..
Dubbia 2016,filial correction 2017:these are faithful catholics who have formally accused him of Heresy.It should come as no surprise to catholics{Fatima 1917,St Francis of Assisi’s prophecy,Pope Paul VI comment about “the smoke of satan” entering the church …}
His Amoris Laetitia has been castigated for actually permitting immorality amongst catholics!
His statement that muslims and christians believe in the same God is FALSE.
To equate Al-Lah{the pagan Arab god of the muslims,a god who CURSES Christians for believing in Jesus k9:30,denies Christ k4: 157 and the Holy Spirit k4:171}with the Christian God is surely the greatest of all heresies{although most people within the Catholic church seem to have missed that}
and that is what this Heretical “pope” has said.
Nothing but falsehood,Apostasy and Heresy comes from francis and the vatican these days.
Recently,there has been yet another claim by theologians that francis is a Heretic.
The “lost shepherd” misleading his flock.
Mr Bergoglio is a pro-islam,pro-globalist marxist jesuit judas pope.
His “fruit” is plain to see.He is a wolf disguised as a lamb.These are not my opinions:this comes from many,many catholics.
if you are interested ..
You can read Filial correction 2017 online
on You Tube..
7 False & Heretical positions of pope francis
Rufolino says
Well said, about the Pope being more interested in the plight of migrants than in the Christian victims of jihad.
As to the widespread and growing persecution of Christians and Christianity, this dreadful man utters barely a word.
CRUSADER says
Essentially, what Dope Pope is nuancing with this
is this:
“Open Up The Flood Gates!”
“Allow the horses of Islam’s warriors to feed at the trough of the Vatican’s altar!”
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Reason.com has this about
IMMIGRATION:
***Why it’s Wrong to Demand Immigrants Stay Home and “Fix Their Own Country”
This common argument has multiple flaws – including implying that the ancestors of most Americans were wrong to immigrate here.
In debates over immigration policy, we often hear the argument that migrants should just stay home and “fix their own countries.” If their government is unjust, corrupt, or oppressive, perhaps the migrants have a duty to try to improve it rather than seek greener pastures elsewhere. In a related vein, Donald Trump suggested in a speech at the United Nations that would-be migrants should “build more hopeful futures in their home countries” and “make their countries great again” (though he, at least, did not claim that they have a moral duty to stay).
Unfortunately, the “fix their own countries” trope has serious flaws. Consider the following paraphrase of an exchange I had with a questioner who came up to me after I participated in a public debate on immigration last year:
Questioner: Why do Middle Eastern refugees have to come here? They should fix their own governments instead.
Me: Do you happen to know where your ancestors came from?
Questioner: They were Jews who emigrated from czarist Russia.
Me: Do you think they should have stayed in Russia and worked to fix the czar?
I don’t blame the questioner for failing to come up with a good answer on the fly. Anyone can fall short when put on the spot (it’s certainly happened to me). Still, the fact remains that the “fix your own country” argument implies that the ancestors of most Americans (and also many Canadians, Australians, and others) were wrong to emigrate. The Russians should have tried to fix the czar and (later) the communists; the Irish should have stayed home and worked to fix the British Empire. Donald Trump’s grandfather should have stayed in Bavaria and worked to fix imperial Germany. And so on.
The fact that the “fix your own country” argument implies that the ancestors of most Americans were wrong to come here does not by itself disprove it. We should not automatically assume that every longstanding American practice was necessarily right. Past generations of Americans erred in committing such injustices as slavery and segregation. Perhaps they were also wrong to come to the US in first place. I suspect, however, that most people are not willing to bite this particular bullet. And they would be right not to.
The claim that immigrants fleeing poverty or oppression have a duty to stay home and “fix” their countries is wrong for several reasons. In most cases, these people have little or no responsibility for the injustice and poverty they are fleeing. Russian Jews like the questioner’s ancestors were not responsible for the Pale of Settlement and pogroms. Likewise, today’s refuges from Venezuela, Syria, and other unjust and corrupt governments generally had no meaningful role in creating the awful conditions there. It is therefore wrong to claim they must risk lifelong privation in order to “fix” the unjust regimes in their home countries. That point applies with extra force in cases where efforts to “fix” the regime are likely to result in imprisonment or death at the hands of the state. We rightly honor brave dissidents who risk life and limb to oppose injustice. But such sacrifices are not morally obligatory, and no blame attaches to those who forego them—especially if they have family members to protect, as well as themselves.
In addition, most migrants have little if any chance of succeeding in “fixing” their home governments, even if they did stay to try to do so. In most such societies, the injustice and oppression is deeply embedded in the political system, and most would-be migrants lack the clout to fix it. Had the questioner’s ancestors stayed in Russia, it is nearly certain they would not have succeeded in reforming the czarist regime, no matter how hard they tried. The same goes for most migrants and refugees today. At least as a general rule, there is no moral duty to take great risks to attempt the impossible.
This point is especially strong when it comes to authoritarian states, where ordinary people have little or no influence on government policy. But constraint also applies, though with lesser force, to many dysfunctional countries that are democratic. Even in advanced democracies such as the US and Western Europe, many harmful and unjust government policies persist because of widespread voter ignorance and bias. The same is true (often to a much greater extent) in the corrupt and dysfunctional democratic governments migrants flee from. In most cases, potential migrants have little or no chance of reversing this dynamic anytime soon.
Occasionally, an unjust political system comes to a turning point where change is more feasible than is usually the case. But such situations are difficult to foresee, and it is wrong to demand that people (often literally) bet their lives on the hope that such an opportunity is going to come up soon. And even when it does happen, it is still far from clear that the average would-be migrant could make a real difference to the outcome. Not to mention the very real possibility that a revolution could result in a worse government rather than a better one. Had the questioner’s ancestors stayed in Russia long enough to see the czarist regime fall, they would have seen exactly that sort of scenario play itself out, when the communists won the resulting civil war and proceeded to engage in oppression mass murder on a vastly greater scale than the czars ever did.
In sum, at least in the vast majority of cases, would-be migrants have no moral obligation to stay and fix their own countries. Are there exceptions to that generalization? Perhaps a few. Consider the case of the Shah of Iran, who fled his country after his regime was overthrown in 1979. The corruption and repression of the Shah’s government played an important role in stimulating the rise of the even more oppressive regime that replaced him. Quite possibly, the Shah had an obligation to stay in Iran and work to fix the horrible mess he himself had played a major role in creating. Maybe he even had an obligation to do so despite the fact that staying in Iran could well have led to his execution by the new government. Similar reasoning arguably applies to other powerful government officials in unjust regimes.
More controversially, this theory could be extended to cover people who have no responsibility for creating the injustices in their societies, but nonetheless have the ability to substantially alleviate them if they stay. In my view, such people still do not have an obligation to stay in their home countries. Their nations do not own their labor. But the argument that they are obliged to do so is at least somewhat plausible.
The vast majority of potential migrants, however, are neither morally responsible for the injustices in their homelands nor in a position to do much about them. In many cases, they can actually do more to help their compatriots by leaving, earning higher wages abroad, and sending remittances to relatives who remain at home (a major source of income for some poor nations). It is therefore wrong to claim they have a duty to stay.
Rejecting the “fix your own country” argument doesn’t resolve all debates over immigration. Far from it. Immigration restrictionists have plenty of other arrows in their quiver, such as the claim that governments have the right to bar migrants for almost any reason they want, much as the owner of a private house can exclude unwanted guests (I address that common argument here). But we can still make incremental progress in this debate by eliminating bad arguments, so we can focus on better ones instead.
CogitoErgoSum says
It makes sense to me to flee a country you are unable to fix. It makes no sense to me to turn your new country into a copy of the country you just fled. Why in the world did you leave your original country in the first place just to bring your old problems with you? I don’t see any “new beginning” there.
CRUSADER says
Precisely.
Escapes logic.
abad says
Well hopefully Francis will make a better Moslem than he does a Christian.
I guess Frankie will be acquiring a couple of goats soon.
Jack Cade says
Christ commanded us to love our enemies not to emulate them, nor for us to embrace evil. This Pope is either wicked or stupid or both.
MissJane says
I agree 100%
CRUSADER says
Dope Pope is BOTH.
Additionally, he is also wicked AND stupid.
😉
MissJane says
I used to see this guy referred to as the last pope and the antichrist and think that was probably a little far fetched. I no longer feel that way
gravenimage says
Vatican issues a happy Ramadan to all “Muslim brothers and sisters”
………………..
Does the pontiff know that Ramadan is the month of Jihad, blood, and death? Likely not…
Pleasewakeup says
This whole charade is quite farcical. Do we ever get any announcements from Mecca for a happy Eater/Christmas? We are, after all, their “brothers and sisters”.
mummymovie says
“tear down walls based on fear and ignorance”
Let’s talk about ignorance: Widespread ignorance about islam has cost many, many, many multitudes of people their lives over the centuries.
The pope is responsible for fostering and spreading this ignorance; this deadly ignorance about islam, all across the West, and he continues to pig-headedly and self-righteously do so, arrogantly proclaiming to know what’s what.
Whether he truly thinks he knows, or not (Maybe he’s flat-out lying and consciously deceiving people and is a willing agent of the global islamic hijrah and global jihad terror), many more people will suffer and die because of this; because of his misdeeds, whether intentional or unintentional- and countless more will continue to suffer and die for years to come because of him.
Francis’ sins are wicked and unforgivable.
na says
God made a mistake? Recent days some imams debating that promised land for Jews are not Palestine. That is Iran. Due to climate change lands are moving like Jesus water walking. So in 2018 promised land is Iran.
CRUSADER says
Which one is Holmes?
Which one is Yo – Yo ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a1I63FpzpA
michael casmer says
But the Pope condemns traditional catholics as “rigorists”. What happened to “who am I to condemn”?
tim gallagher says
I can’t find any excuse for the way this Pope seeks to be so friendly with Muslims. He must have been informed by all the advisors that he has about quotes from the Koran calling on Muslims to “kill the non-believers wherever you find them” (which certainly includes Christians). I suppose someone could know about quotes such as that one and say, yeah, but they don’t mean that sort of stuff literally and they won’t actually do such things. Except they do. Muslims are murdering Christians in many parts of the world right now, such as the recent Sri Lankan and Nigerian atrocities. Religious leaders, and even just average priests and ministers of religion, are meant to call out evil. That’s central to their job or vocation. The way this Pope won’t say that Islam is evil and is murdering Christians and other non-Muslims is appalling. If there is a God, a loving, peaceful type of God, that God surely won’t be pleased with the way this Pope seems to refuse to call out obvious evil.
CRUSADER says
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tim gallagher says
Thanks for that, CRUSADER. This Pope is certainly failing in his task as a Christian moral leader by not speaking up clearly and condemning Islam as evil when Muslims are murdering Christians the way they are (and as they always have done). I wonder whether this Pope and his advisors think that if they just keep on treating the vicious, violent Muslims gently and decently then the Muslims will turn into nice people. It is ridiculous. It does seem true that many church leaders and ministers are merely left wing social justice types of people. I doubt whether many of them actually believe in the basics of Christianity.
Peter WF says
How may muslims has the pope settled in the vatican?
Rufolino says
Francis is what used to be called “a drawing room socialist”. There are no migrants in his back yard. It’s for other people to suffer the “rnrichment”.
“Not in my back yard” : – a “Nimby”.
Eric Jones says
Francis wants us to let our guard down regarding Muslims because, he wants us to let our guard down when he Francis comes to rip us off.
Eric
CRUSADER says
Trevor Loudon’s movie:
“ENEMIES WITHIN the CHURCH”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCMyAwvRF8A
Hello Hello says
The Love Affair of evil; The kiss of death for the West; the picture of the future.
Terra Nova says
I agree with Crusader, but I agree with Cogito Ergo Sum too. In my opinion, Popes have proclaimed themselves for ages to be the representative of God on earth, and how ! This has always astonished me,
but I was and am more flabbergasted that so many people fell for that. It gives the Jesuits and Free Masons and the Vatican freedom to do anything. Do you know why Benedict wanted to step down and why he can not spend his last old years in Germany.
There is so much playing, too much at the moment.
And every Government, dictators in the world, and citizens from EVERY country in the world have butter on their heads, we all have committed crimes, but one has to start sometimes and somewhere in life to create a better world for everybody, but the trouble is that most people don’t want that. If they can not follow the money and power, they will fight themselves to death and take other people along, to get what they want.
Muslims don’t want peace, mostly not, the imams and Islam clerics, because then they loose power , controle over people and money.
But all old systems have to go and Islam too, and it will crumble from the inside, other religions will go to,
everything will renew itself but in total different ways.
The earth will clean itself in ways, we will not like it, but it will happen, I agree with crusader, unless you want to die, or worse, it is hard to fight a violent dictator, and the world is full of dictators now who enrich themselves forever and their friends and families, but they will fall too.
And by the way, Iran was and never is the promised land for the Jews, you only say that and hope Israel and Iran will get a good big conflict and that Iran can get rid of the Jews. All countries and their citizens have to really think about themselves, because citizens from Western countries are a part to to allow this what is all happening, they want peace too, but they don’t even have opened their mouth’s or written against all that is happening now. Man is made in v image of God! Think about that, God is the ultimate LOVE ENERGY.
But He is the Good, the Bad and the Beautiful. He does not care what you do, the only thing is if you do the bad, you punish yourself, because it falls back on you, it is almost automatically. You punish yourself and that is an UNIVERSAL LAW which you can not escape, if you do the good on the other hand, that falls back on yourself too. It is impossible to live out of your ego, that always goes wrong. If everybody starts to live out of their hearts, it would be a lot better and until every one starts to do that, there are no BROTHERS AND SISTERS, and we will stay captured in wars, atrocities, etc. and nobody is superior to others, no one.
If we don’t shape up, we will have to stay in this matrix and might destroy our planet and ourselves.
And in the end, that does not matter, it seems to a lot of people, but to some it does, that is how Atlantis and Lemuria went, Many civilisations went like that, and that is ok, they make room for the better planets who know what they are doing. That is why everybody has to reincarnate, and you are getting a new lief contract.
Who is God? You are God and I am God, but before you have reached that point to realise that within yourself, it will take some time, then you can move mountains. It is the Self Realisation.
“I AM THAT I AM. I AM IN EVERYTHING THERE IS, and so it is. Because we are in everything and everybody, connected till the end of times.There is only one Creator of all and we are all parts of the One and connected and brothers and sisters., whether we like it now or not, but we have to behave that way, and there is NO room for conquering, robbing, decapitating, flogging lying, stoning raping or any kind of atrocities.
Pls think about what we are all doing.
Marigold says
The only thing we have in common with Muslims is our humanity .They can only be our brothers and sisters in that respect NOT our brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ .The Pope should have made that clear.Muslims do not look upon God as their Father so how can it be possible that they are the children of God?They would have to ACCEPT Him as a Father first. By the same reasoning, how can Muslims be the sisters and brothers of Christians if they reject Jesus as God’s Son the second person of the Triune God.Jesus Himself said said “”Íf God were your Father you would love Me” John chapter 8 verse 42..Muslims rank Jesus as a prophet.I mean no disrespect to all the prophets but the Christian faith revolves around the central tenet of a Triune God.Everything else is a heresy
Sheap Sheerer says
Wonder how the Pope’s interfaith dialog would go with Satanists…
Vicky King says
Trump celebrates Ramadan, calling it ‘a timeless message of peace, clarity, and love’ – By Ed Straker June 7, 2018 “President Trump hosted a party celebrating the Islamic holiday of Ramadan. “In gathering together this evening we honor a sacred tradition of one of the world’s great religions,” Trump said, speaking from notes. He added that Ramadan is a celebration of a “timeless message of peace, clarity and love. There is great love.”” https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/06/trump_celebrates_ramadan_calling_it_a_timeless_message_of_peace_clarity_and_love.html
So what’s the difference…
TruthWFree says
Islam is Satanic. The Quran, supposedly the allah god’s word to Muhammad. denies Christ’s divinity and death on the cross. I Islam is true, then Christianity is false (It is not!). We have three eye witnessed Gospels documenting what Christ did and said and his many miracles. Islam has the word of Muhammad unwitnessed that he got revelation from his allah god. No question who prevails in a court of law. This false Pope should be preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God and the ONLY way to the Father (God). Instead, he is reaching out to Satan’s religion, Islam, and trying to destroy the Church. He will answer to God for this…I am sure!
Lavéritétriomphera says
@Frank Anderson,
Bonsoir,
Don’t be too hard on pope Francis, he is an old man and perhaps he is too old to learn or too proud to admit the truth, but one must keep in mind that his sentence is unwittingly or otherwise cynical; nobody would wish someone a happy or merry fast especially if we consider that people die during Ramadan!
The pope is not Italian, but Italy is the homeland of Machiavelli and the mafia, and the omnipotent Catholic Church do not call the shots nowadays.
Many Catholics no longer have faith in this pope and in what he represents. And they would like to say to the leader of the Catholic Church: “no, carry on; it’s fascinating!”…
But the spirit of the Knights has not dead in the Catholic world.
Amitiés
Frank Anderson says
Kevin, I have many treasured friends who are or were before their deaths Catholic, including my half-brother. I am not and doubt there will ever be reason for me to be Catholic. This pope is not serving his duty to my friends. He is betraying that duty wholesale at every opportunity and inflicting them with both potential and actual harm with his “guidance”. If I gave the same kind of “guidance” to my clients, I would be disbarred and sued penniless. It is not a matter of being hard or soft on someone of diminished capacity. It is being truthful about someone who is not fit to have any position of authority. How many people must die or be enslaved while this man continues his reign of betrayal? Always sincere best wishes to you.
Lavéritétriomphera says
@Frank Anderson,
Bonjour,
Although I do not always agree with him, the pope is aware of his role and his personal responsibilities. He must reduce tensions and prevent widespread violence “the barkless dog teaming with intelligence”. My opinion.
The pope is a Roman Catholic, he believes in the Holy Spirit and he knows the spirit of the Knights has not died.
Ramadan is dangerous https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/Soroka-researchers-find-dangers-in-fasting-during-Ramadan-557967.
Peace on you on USA, and while there is life there is hope Peace on Earth.
Amitiés
Frank Anderson says
Kevin, by all means you are completely entitled to your opinion. Whatever rationalization is being applied to the betrayal of clear fiduciary duties, the idea that catering to a murderous criminal conspiracy that has lasted so far 1400 years and has killed an estimated 250,000,000 to 1,000,000,000 human beings, and enslaved countless more, strains reason.
Neville Chamberlain and Edouard Daladier appeased Hitler with their spineless failure of resistance into starting WWII, Appeasement did not work then and it is not working at all now. Look at the daily reports of mass murder around the world at the hands of standard, orthodox, ordinary muslims practicing the “final, complete, perfect and unchangeable” teachings of a criminal conspiracy called islam. The Pope, along with many others, is appeasing Christianity, Judaism and all other kafirs into muslim slavery and death today.
About half of Germany’s Jews, about 300,000, about one half of one percent of Germany’s population got the message and tried to get out. The other half lived in denial of all that Hitler said, wrote and did from his first public speech in August 1920 to his last breath in 1945. Most of them died or barely survived their slavery. “Those who cannot remember the lessons of the past are condemned to repeat them.” Jorge Santayana, The Life of Reason (1905).
Any professional advisor except the Pope is legally responsible for his advice. Whether the issue is religious, medical, legal, accounting, tax, investment, psychological or any other area of claimed expertise, in advising others in the handling of affairs and making decisions, an advisor has a duty to serve the client. The only corresponding duty of the client is to consider the advice, to reject or accept the advice after consideration of its merit or lack, and to pay according to the agreement of employment.
I understand the law is probably different where you are. And immunity from civil and criminal prosecution could shield any legal action except doing what I did by finding other sources of inspiration and guidance. Our host, RS, has frequently quoted the Biblical passage about the blind man leading the blind and the disastrous results which follow. TODAY, we are watching the proof of the Wisdom of that quote as our society and civilization are being sold out by all forms of Globalism. There is no reason to follow collaborators and traitors into slavery and death camps. I hope you will think about it. You deserve, as another of God’s children, all of the blessings of freedom that are intended for ALL who call upon Him as Father..
Elizabeth Thorne says
Islamic scholars will tell us “La ilaha illa Allah-There is no deity except God.”
“Wa ashhadu anna Muhammadar Rasul Allah”-and I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of God.” It is therefore necessary that Islam’s theoretical foundation-belief-materialize in the form of an organized and active group from the very beginning. It is necessary that this group SEPARATE itself from the jahili society, becoming independent and distinct from the active and organized jahili society whose aim is to block Islam.
The jahili society is any society other than Muslim society: communists-it denies the existence of God Most High.
All idolatrous societies-they believe in other Gods.
Jews and Christians-they have distorted the original beliefs. Their institutions and their laws are not based on submission to God alone. Jahili societies can be described in one sentence: it considers all these societies unIslamic and illegal. There are clear injunctions which define the limits of the Devine Law, the Shari’ah.
In the world there is only one party of God; all others are parties of Satan and rebellion. Then fight the allies of Satan; indeed, Satan’s strategy weak.
ISLAM CANNOT ACCEPT ANY MIXING WITH JAHILIYYAH.
The foremost duty of Islam in this world is to depose jahiliyyah from the leadership of man, and to take the leadership into its own hands and enforce the particular way of life which is its permanent feature.
We need not rationalize Islam to them, need not appease their desires and distorted concepts. We will be extremely outspoken with them.
The chasm between Islam and jahiliyyah is great, and a BRIDGE IS NOT TO BE BUILT across it so that the people of the two sides may mix with each other, BUT ONLY THAT THE PEOPLE OF THE JAHILIYYAH MAY COME OVER TO ISLAM.”
They know what they are doing to the Dhimmies. Holy man, methinks not.
Isntlam says
Get a room, guys.
Chand says
So what should he say?
Have a terrible month, you murdering followers of a false prophet and btw we are totally different from you and may you all rot in hell!
Calm down, people. He too has a job to do and it is only a job. You know……..spreading peace and love and harmony and there are 1.5 million Muslims and it is Ramadan.
Or he can remain silent and say nothing. Why did he have to open his mouth? Why talk of brotherhood and sisterhood?
Damn! It is so annoying………………………
He should be talking hate and war and jihad and blood shed…………..
gravenimage says
Pretending that the Pope’s job is whitewashing the horrors of Islam is quite appalling.
Chand says
typo……………there are 1.5 billion Muslims………..
Lavéritétriomphera says
@Frank Anderson,
Bonsoir,
“The Pope, along with many others, is appeasing Christianity, Judaism and all other kafirs into muslim slavery and death today.”.
The pope is a priest before being a politician. He is not a lawyer and he thinks he is doing is job, this is especially true because as a Catholic he must strongly believes that the whole world will submit, sooner or later, to Christ. However you certainly know that a great strategist never underestimates his enemy and he never reveals his strategy.
Regardless the remarks made by the pope we know or we should know what to expect and we know or we should know what fate has in store for us, given the Islamists do not disguise their hegemonic ideas and the means by which they get the job done. Therefore double speak can have an opposite effect.
“There is no reason to follow collaborators and traitors into slavery and death camps. I hope you will think about it. You deserve, as another of God’s children, all of the blessings of freedom that are intended for ALL who call upon Him as Father.” Thank you Frank but I think his holiness the pope Francis has an official and an informal speech, and he is the head of the Catholic church therefore he cannot not know that THE SPIRIT OF THE KNIGHTS TEMPLAR has not died in the Catholic world…
I will say it again I am a health professional, and I believe Ramadan is dangerous but apparently the pope does not know it (?).
Amitiès
Frank Anderson says
Kevin, without qualification I consider you a friend whom I would never insult. I recently lost 2 friends who probably gave me as many examples of what NOT to do as they did what TO do. Perhaps more in the bad direction. Once I recognized their Unwise counsel, I became much more guarded in considering, and even more careful in accepting their counsel. When I was in military school a large part of the 3 classes ahead of me were in the biggest cheating conspiracy in violation of the school’s ancient honor code ever. It was not discovered until near the end of the third quarter. When ranks in the military program were decided the following year, the cheaters had grades that were so high they took the bigger part of the leadership assignments. My platoon leader was one of them. That was the most disgusting year of my life. I have had many disgusting experiences since. But this was the first and most graphic.
We each have the duty to decide the people we will grant the power to guide us. We also have the duty to decide how much misdirection we will tolerate that cannot only trouble us, but endanger our welfare, lives, freedom and future. Do I remember suggesting that you might wish to read the Declaration of Independence? Some people consider it to be a careful and thoughtful analysis of when a person, or a nation, should distance itself from leadership that is failing the duty of leadership.
I don’t see any importance in WHY many leaders are betraying their people or duties. All that matters is that they are; and no reasonable chance exists they will “see the light” and change. Name a leader who sold out his people and country and then changed? Just look at the last 150 years to keep the search manageable. I believe we both want better than we see now from many people temporarily in power. Peace be with you.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Frank Anderson,
Bonsoir,
I had a computer issue, and I was not able to answer so far.
I want to point out the pope is not stupid and his statement on Ramadan is just cynical.
As a Catholic Roman, he believes in a living God, which means the apostolic Revelation brought by Christ si not closed. The mankind’s greatest adventure with God is not finished.
And as I have heard it so many times at mass the whole world will submit, sooner or later, to the Living Christ/Truth. This cannot be otherwise notably through the Catholic beliefs.
The Catholics have now understood that they must honor the freedom of thought. Not a moment too soon!
France is marked by Catholic tradition, so we are talking about assimilation of the Muslims as opposed to integration.
The muslims are not mistaken, they know French secularism has been guided by Christianity and the ideas of enlightenment century, and they have a natural reluctance to accept the “healthy” laity of the State.
Macron said he will not compromise on this important matter. The political opposition said there is actually nothing to be said in addition about this issue provided Macron keeps his word. It seems they are just waiting to trip him up!
Peace on you on USA and (why not) on Earth.
Amitiés
Frank Anderson says
Kevin, as undefinable as I am in religion, I also believe in the current presence and activity of God. At military school there were frequent lectures by the principal in what was called “early morning formation” that began with a quote from Proverbs, “A wise man harkeneth to counsel; a fool in his own eyes is always right.” I have tried for many years to find the exact version or translation of the Bible which has that quote. Many have close but not exact versions. Col. H explained that “harkeneth” does not mean that we blindly follow the counsel of others; but that we listen and consider it before making our decisions. I could probably write a small book of all the times that Proverb has kept me from bad decisions, and not following it has caused me to make some really rotten choices. Any leader is counsel. We are the “clients” who must make our choices and pay the price both for good and bad decisions. The counsel usually does not pay for giving bad advice, even when it triggers the ruin and destruction of the client. When a counsel is on a path that clearly betrays the interest of the client, the client must find better guidance or be destroyed. Always with friendship and respect.
italy6966 says
This man is a plant,he obviously does not Love the Church an Jesus Christ,he an his followers are incharge of destroying Jesus Christ’s Church,just wait till the Amazon conference,they are gonna try an ordain women deconness an have men that are married,they want gay clergy,men married to men an women married to women,its gonna be a free for all,thats the Bergoglio way,we need a Heavenly intervention,Jesus please help us….
RK says
HERE’S A REMINDER U COWARD POPE: Jesus said: “but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven.” (Matthew 10:33) ….
Preach the Lords word, not u’r own twisted BS, uggg…. u need to ask God to forgive u on judgment day…. shame on u!
I, for one, would NEVER listen to anything u have to say since you’ve proven over and over to be nothing but a globalist pushing u’r own twisted political agenda instead of teaching the Lords word….. u are nothing but a wolf in sheep’s clothing, an imposter, u need to step down and allow a real Christian teacher to speak God’s word and not u’r global political taking points, u are a complete embarrassment and disappointment! Period.
Lavéritétriomphera says
@Frank Anderson,
Bonsoir,
The Catholics believe in God’s supernatural intervention to sort things out. They give more credence to the New Testament because the old covenant is no longer current.
Toward the end of the Roman Empire, many Greeks had certainly a key position in the empire and many of them have been Church Fathers. However Rome has been heavily influenced by the Greeks from the beginning to the end https://eu.greekreporter.com/2013/03/15/the-greek-influence-on-rome/, and if you want to understand Christianity you must learn mythology and philosophies of the Ancient Greece, because the Jewish influence on the empire was considerably lower than the Greek influence. Therefore as far I am concerned Catholicism is the inheritor of the “Greek religion” of the Roman Empire.
Regarding betrayal, keep in mind these words attributed to Socrates :” It is better to suffer wrong than to do it”, this is what the radical worshipers of Baal (Muslims) should remember.
Sincere Friendship
Amitiés
Frank Anderson says
Kevin, I hope for God’s ability and willingness to make things right. There is a Jewish teaching that is spoken frequently in many services, “Pray as though everything depends on God; Act as though everything depends on us.” I think it is reasonable, if we see ourselves as made in God’s image, as His very own Children, that waiting for Him to do our work leaves something to be desired. I think something that distinguishes Catholic from all of the Protestant services I have attended is the tying of Old and New Testament readings for every lesson. My experience in Baptist and Presbyterian congregations is that the two sides of the Book are treated equally and taken together for, to me, a better understanding of “Why?”. While I agree that it is better to suffer wrong than to do it; it is also better not to suffer wrong than to suffer it. Back to the Second Lesson of Exodus, God does not want His Children to suffer. We can find a way to live in peace. Best wishes to you and all you hold dear.
gravenimage says
Frank Anderson wrote:
Kevin, I hope for God’s ability and willingness to make things right. There is a Jewish teaching that is spoken frequently in many services, “Pray as though everything depends on God; Act as though everything depends on us.”
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Very much agree, Frank.
Frank Anderson says
Honored GI, from the same source comes the proposition that Wisdom is all around us, in many places. Wherever Wisdom is in human hands there is also some measure of error and deception. The challenge is to hear the Wisdom, distinguish it from the error and deception; then put it to work in our lives. I suggest the common thread of the two teachings is that it is our duty to do our own work instead of letting others tell us what to think.
Lavéritétriomphera says
@Frank Anderson,
@gravenimage,
Bonsoir,
I agree with you: “God helps those that help themselves” but Catholics think that God will intervene if we persevere in the wrong direction …
I also agree with you when you say “it is better to suffer wrong than to do it” is not a reason to give up, and “glorify” suffering and distress.
“Wisdom, distinguish it from the error and deception” If I remember correctly, Apollonius of Tyana said: “it is impossible for a man to make errors, the wiseman is the one who recognizes his faults”, therefore if my memory serves me right, we can see for ourselves that even in the ancient times the sages knew the value of repentance.
While Greeks were studying philosophies and Jews were waiting for the messiah, the worshipers of Satan/Baal were doing human sacrifices!
Perhaps you know Steve Bannon, he is in France, and he met Marine Le Pen. The opponents to her policy do not encourage that. They accuse Steve Bannon of serving USA s’interests and consequently of wanting to weaken EU.
Peace on you both.
Amitiés,
Frank Anderson says
Kevin, considering the traitors and collaborators rampant in the leadership of the EU, it might be worthwhile to reconsider the wisdom of surrendering European interests to globalists. The EU movement is leading the charge to the destruction of Europe and the rise of a Caliphate in Europe. It looks like human sacrifice is still going on today. Count the bodies. “The first step to dealing with a problem is to admit that a problem exists.” Since when was the USA an enemy? After all, how many US citizens died in WWI and WWII; and how many more were maimed and disabled, to give Europe a chance to live outside totalitarian governments, which now seem nearly fully in control through the EU? How many Trillions of dollars and billions of man-years has the US spent so that EU countries would not have to defend themselves against Communist takeover while recovering from WWII? If you are correct, it could be time for the US to resume a position of total self-interest and to abandon Europe to its fate. That will not see a peaceful conclusion until all non-believers are dead or slaves.
Lavéritétriomphera says
@Frank Anderson,
Bonjour,
Frank it seems you have misunderstood, I simply asked what do you think about Steve Bannon. That does not mean I agree with the political opponents of Marine Le Pen.
USA and Russia are European creations but do not get me wrong, we know what we owe you.
Europe romanized, christianized, trained to the Greek sciences, is not a nation but a “collection” of nations, and we have problems to understand each other. Europe is “German” I recently heard.
I believe England has not forgiven Germany, among other things, for the world wars, and the British fled EU. And as far I am concern it cannot be denied France and Russia are fearful of Germany.
But keep in mind if a dangerous totalitarian system rules Europe, you will be the next on the list.
What do you expect the Baal’s servants to do? They practice their religion and they continue human sacrifices while the Greco-Romans/Christians, the Jews, and others, fight against cancer, improve technologies and so on …
Best wishes,
Amitiés
Frank Anderson says
Kevin, friends don’t keep score. The people in charge of the EU at the moment need to understand, if they are capable of understanding anything, that many in the US are tired of the “get out of our house but keep sending your money” treatment that has been a pattern since De Gaulle ordered the US out of France in the 1960’s. As long as “they” are in charge, the US is welcome to pour enormous wealth and resources into the EU and get insulted at every opportunity. I have had that kind of insulting “friendship” that went on until I at last recognized the abuse and moved on.
Either one person, or country, accepts the duty of mutual cooperation or needs to go alone. The EU has gotten so high and mighty that it sees itself as the Ultimate Arbiter of Truth. The unelected bureaucrats think the people serve them and have no concept that they owe the people under their domination anything, including respect. I look at every video of the EU Chief Foreign Negotiator, a Communist until the Communist Party in Italy closed, and see the arrogance always displayed in socialism, “The people are idiots and I know what is best for them.”
I most definitely want better for all of us. It will not happen until the Communist, Nazi, muslim totalitarian alliance is eliminated from the governments worldwide. After WWII, only a paltry, and meaninglessly symbolic number of war criminals and collaborators were properly dealt with. The vast majority of both groups wormed their way back into power to create new generations from the same mold. Now with power in their hands, we are clearly in the path of certain war that will kill billions.
If you look at the gyrations between Hitler and Stalin, and consider Stalin’s total delusion that a “deal” could be made and kept with Hitler, you can see the same delusions today where a peace can be negotiated with a “side” that teaches for its entire existence that any deal made with others is meaningless, that lying whenever advantage can be obtained is encouraged, and that death or slavery is the goal of all who do not accept the misery and slavery of submission. I ask you to consider reading Bill Warner’s Abridged Koran to see for yourself. Whether Steve Bannon’s counsel, or another person that I hold highly, Dick Morris, can help change the direction of any EU country from surrender is a mystery.
I think you are absolutely correct that what is present in the EU is trying to take over the US. The Democrat party has proclaimed the irrelevance of the Constitution, the Duties it imposes on Government and Rights it states for the citizens. Their unrelenting campaign to overturn the election of DJT is nothing but a display of their direction and commitment.
Having been a long-haul hazardous chemical truck driver, there is a story about a gasoline tanker loaded going down a steep, long mountain when its brakes failed. The driver woke up his sleeping co-driver and said, “Get up! You’re going to see the damnedest wreck ever!” Unless many people get a spine and take back control of their lives and countries, that wreck is going to happen soon. Always with friendship and respect to you.
Lavéritétriomphera says
@Frank Anderson,
Bonsoir,
“I ask you to consider reading Bill Warner’s Abridged Koran to see for yourself” it is no worth the trouble, I believe Islam is an updated version of the cult of Baal/Moloch. In Semitic languages Baal means the owner, the lord and I do not believe his slaves can take control of the world. That means they are helped by accomplices in Europe and in United States, it is obvious that it is important to unmask them. I think Donald trump is doing a good job.
“The people are idiots and I know what is best for them.”. Louis the fourteenth, the absolute monarch, could easily have pronounced this words.
“The EU has gotten so high and mighty that it sees itself as the Ultimate Arbiter of Truth” this is the first time I hear that, of course EU is not the Ultimate Arbiter of Truth. We know that we are no longer the center of the world, and Europe is jealous of USA since WW2, therefore they take revenge as best they can. In the sixties, during the time that I was growing up I heard the Americans acted improperly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_liberation_of_France, and they were arrogant. Nowadays I hear the Americans think we are insignificant, immoral and coward. As far I am concerned I truly do not appreciate the unfair sentence: “cheese eating surrender monkeys”. But the thing we must keep in mind is that both countries could agree on the principle https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/american-hostage-rescued-as-french-commandos-killed-in-africa-rescue-raid.
In short, Europe and USA need mutual friendship.
I believe Russia is a separate case because we cannot ignore the greatest majority of Russian are Europeans.
“I think you are absolutely correct that what is present in the EU is trying to take over the US.”. My US correspondent Jody made the following comment on the yellow vests movement :”we are the next”.
Peace on you, Peace on USA, Peace on Europe, and why not Peace on the World.
Amitiés
Frank Anderson says
I share fully your offense at the insult of your country. I believe strongly in the teaching, “Do unto others as you WISH they would do unto you.” We would wish for more than we would demand. I think if you consider how pervasive is the EU control over every aspect of life, there is reason to be concerned that the bureaucracy thinks itself all wise and powerful, to the neglect of the people it is supposed to be serving. We have a lot of that in the US when Democrats have been in total control of the government; which led to Trump’s election.
I have read many books including 3 by Warner. He is an engineer by education and has done a really good job of removing much of the confusion and deception that is present in “standard” versions. Wading through the “standard” koran, which is published in order of longest chapter first, and contains large amounts of repetition and “stuff” that is not useful to us, leads to poor understanding of the way islam developed into its “final, perfect, complete and unchangeable” recipe for misery.
I think there is room for friends to all be the center. Having learned at great cost the abusive opportunities that a master-slave “friendship” creates, I would never want to be on either side of that “coin”. I have treasured friends whom I will help at the least need, and who will help me. Neither of us abuse the other. There is a lesson in the Bible that is spoken in Masonic (not secret) ritual: “A two-fold cord is strong; but a three-fold cord is not easily broken.” The world is a dangerous and lonely place without true friends. Wasting time and resources on “bought friends” keeps us from finding, earning and keeping those who deserve our loyalty.
We continue in friendship seeking peace.
Lavéritétriomphera says
@Frank Anderson,
Bonjour,
I do not have much to add to your comment. I trust people who want peace and I believe in the golden rule too: “Do unto others as you WISH they would do unto you.”.
I believe Donald Trump is a man of peace, as well as the pope (I would hope).
Marine Le pen thought Hilary Clinton wanted war (?), and that is why she wished the election of Donald Trump.
So we need to defeat the followers of the totalitarian systems and their useful “idiots” if we want Peace on Earth.
Sincerely
Amitiés
Frank Anderson says
Kevin, Respected Friend, Chamberlain and Daladier hoped in spite of all words and actions that Hitler was “a man of peace”, “a man who could be trusted”. Please try not to repeat the lesson.
Lavéritétriomphera says
@Frank Anderson,
Hi Freind,
I agree with you, we must keep our eyes open, but the pope should know these words: “Beware of false prophets who come disguised as harmless sheep but are really vicious wolves.” Mathew 7:15. As I already said the pope cannot not know the spirit of the knights has not dead, and it seems that for personal reasons he does not utter a single word about that.
“Daladier had no illusions about Hitler’s ultimate goals. In fact, he told the British in a late April 1938 meeting that Hitler’s real aim was to eventually secure ‘a domination of the Continent in comparison with which the ambitions of Napoleon were feeble’.”https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89douard_Daladier.
It seems Europe have faced the inevitable because Hitler had never hidden his malevolent intentions.
And my maternal grandfather said : “war again!”.
I remain determined that we must absolutely fight people who want war and I have truly welcomed, rightly or wrongly, the election of Donald Trump.
Bien à toi
Frank Anderson says
Kevin, thank you for your clarification of Daladier’s awareness of Hitler’s intentions. Was this before or after Munich? If before, is there any explanation for the abandonment of not just the Sudetenland, which contained massive French designed fortifications, but exposed all of Czechoslovakia to takeover? The incorporation of captured Czech weapons, especially tanks, was a major asset in conducting the May 1940 campaign against France. Hitler could have been stopped dead if France, Poland and Czechoslovakia had stood firm. The German Generals had a plan to kill him which was defeated by Munich. The German military could not have defeated the combined forces of those 3 countries at that time, whether or not the UK joined.
I wonder how much difference it should make to us whether the pope knows the quote? His actions seem to show he does not care. We care, because we are being forced, your country faster than mine, into a war or surrender choice just as with Hitler. History is repeating because the lesson is lost or being ignored, whether it is remembered for appearance (pro forma) or not. I hope there is something good to be done before another abandonment of real opportunity.
Always with best wishes.
Lavéritétriomphera says
@Frank Anderson,
Bonjour Ami,
It is clear European governments, USA and … certainly the pope knew Hitler’s intentions before Munich. Keep in mind this quote of Churchill: ” You were given the choice between war and dishonour. You chose dishonour, and you will have war.”.
France did not want to oppose Hitler, French had painful memories of WW1 http://weblog.blogads.com/2003/09/22/french-casualties-in-wwi/, and we have payed the price, as Nostradamus have might said, of our Gallic negligence.
Nowadays we know the malevolent intentions of the Islamists and they want war, that is the reason why Macron has been compared to Daladier.
And we agree West must recognize his responsibilities in order to prevent history from being repeated.
Sincerely,
À bientôt
Frank Anderson says
If the choice is war or a combination of slavery and death, which will it be? I faced that choice on a personal level after reporting criminal conduct of my corporate employer. After years of misery and slavery the war option brought some relief at great cost. I would not be here today if I had not fought with every resource available. France was not alone in errors before Munich. I have read that Poland and Czechoslovakia were at odds over trivial disputes preventing them from using well prepared military force when they alone could have defeated the entire German army. At the time of Munich, there was ample force available to prevent the disaster of WWII in Europe, and possibly to discourage Japan from its role. Is there something to learn from this experience?
The Jews in Nazi Germany had the choices of collaborate for temporary “safety”, escape, or death. Half or so tried to escape, some with a measure of success. Most of the collaborators that I have seen in the videos served in the military and a few survived. The remainder took their chances in the death and slave labor camps with few surviving. While there is still the possibility of choices, this is a good time to remember. What happened to “them” can happen to “us” if we allow it.. I have heard and recorded many, perhaps dozens, of Holocaust survivors who ask the same question.
I think we agree with Churchill about Hitler, Can we learn from that experience that peace cannot be bought by appeasement? Islam declared war on the entire world 1400 years ago. The declaration is “final, perfect, complete and unchangeable”. It has declared openly that lying whenever advantage can be obtained is preferred, not just permitted. It declares to this day that death is the penalty for trying to change or resist any of its teachings or goals. I do not see many choices for us today.
Always with friendship and respect.
Lavéritétriomphera says
@Frank Anderson,
Hi Friend,
We must study a nation’s spirit to discover the reason behind it all. “Know yourself” Socrates said, that is true for nations too.
Remember these words of the Spanish-American philosopher George Santayana: “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”.
Regarding France, Nostradamus truly invoke the Gallic negligence.
It seems yellow vests have now calmed down, and we are waiting for the outcome of the European elections, but if the yellow vests are not satisfied, I do not know how Macron could be able to find a way out.
A friend who is a police commissioner and have worked with the German police told me this morning: “I shut them up when they sing this military March that brings up unpleasant memories https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG4cBaL0TIo.”.
That is Europe!
bien à toi
Frank Anderson says
Kevin, I did not know that “Know yourself” originated with Socrates. I think Sigmund Freud added on that guidance that endeavoring to understand yourself is the ultimate form of aggression. I have now spent nearly 70 years on that incomplete mission, and have not quit learning yet. May God Bless and Help us on that journey. I frequently quote Santayana here. The Life of Reason (1905).
Lavéritétriomphera says
@frank Anderson,
Bonsoir,
“In fact ‘know thyself’ was inscribed on temple entrances in Kemet (Ancient Egypt) such as in the temples of Luxor”https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_thyself.
When I was a child I envisioned God as an old man above the clouds, and with a white beard. He had a big voice and was surrounded with thunderbolts. I now know this God was Jupiter [Latin: Deus-Pater, Greek: Zeus pater = God Father] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gILlQMP-t_A.
As in the Roman Empire the Catholic God is assisted by many officials who take responsibility for the celestial and heartily empire. If you study Greek philosophies you will find precepts of the New Testament. Therefore Catholic religion is a Graeco-Latin religion influenced by Judaism, which evolves. I do not mind that. I think Greeks could have pronounced this maxim attributed to Lavoisier “nothing is lost, everything is transformed” contrary to Baal followers who want that nothing changes.
I love Greek arts and philosophies and I hate the Baal cult with his altars dripping animal and human blood, his sacred prostitutes (sexual jihad) and so on.
Peace on you,
Á bientôt
Lavéritétriomphera says
Erratum: Celestial and earthly Empire.
Frank Anderson says
Kevin, I hope all typographical, compositional and grammatic errors are ignored and forgiven. We can figure out what is meant, even if a little effort is required!.
Remember, God is EVERYWHERE, as is Wisdom. We must look for both.
Best wishes always.