He ultimately didn’t go because the Islamic State was, in his view, not tough enough on unbelievers. But in any case, what does this reveal about the pilgrimage to Mecca? What did Amin Elmir hear there that made him decide to join ISIS? No doubt asking such a question is “Islamophobic,” but Western leaders should start asking them nevertheless, or they will be condemning their citizens to a future full of strife and bloodshed.
“Australian Muslim, 29, backed out of travelling to Syria to join terrorists because his views were even MORE extreme than ISIS,” Australian Associated Press, June 28, 2019 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
A Sydney man who planned to fight for Islamic State overseas got cold feet because his views were even more extreme than the terrorist group’s, a judge has heard.
Amin Elmir pleaded guilty in February to preparing to travel from Turkey to Syria to engage in hostile activities for IS between April and June 2016.
The 29-year-old, from Bass Hill, did not cross the border and was arrested and charged six months after returning to Australia.
Crown prosecutor Trish McDonald SC told the NSW Supreme Court on Friday evidence shows Elmir backed out because of a ‘theological argument’ and not because he realised IS did ‘terrible things’ such as beheadings.
The disagreement concerned unbelievers, she said.
‘It would appear the offender had a stricter view that ignorance is not an excuse.’
Justice David Davies asked: ‘Indeed, his view was more extreme than he thought the Islamic State was?’
Ms McDonald replied: ‘Yes, your honour’.
Defence barrister Greg Scragg said the dispute was over nothing more than who was and who was not a Muslim.
He submitted Elmir had made the ‘spontaneous, impulsive and reckless decision’ following a religious pilgrimage to Mecca with his family, as they returned to Sydney….
mortimer says
What did he hear in Mecca that convinced him to CONDUCT JIHAD?
He heard the KORAN … a troop motivator.
The Koran’s 164 Jihad Verses: K 002:178-179, 190-191, 193-194, 216-218, 244; 003:121-126, 140-143, 146, 152-158, 165-167,169, 172-173, 195; 004:071-072, 074-077, 084, 089-091, 094-095,100-104; 005:033, 035, 082; 008:001, 005, 007, 009-010, 012, 015-017, 039-048,057-060, 065-075; 009:005, 012-014, 016, 019-020, 024-026, 029,036, 038-039, 041, 044, 052, 073, 081, 083,086, 088, 092, 111, 120, 122-123; 016:110; 022:039, 058, 078; 024:053, 055; 025:052; 029:006, 069; 033:015, 018, 020, 023, 025-027, 050; 042:039; 047:004, 020, 035; 048:015-024; 049:015; 059:002, 005-008, 014; 060:009; 061:004, 011, 013; 063:004; 064:014; 066:009; 073:020; 076:008.
mortimer says
MORE MUSLIM AND HOLIER-THAN-THOU
A takfiri (Arabic: تكفيري takfīriyy) is a Muslim who accuses another Muslim of apostasy. The accusation itself is called takfir, derived from the word kafir (unbeliever), and is described as when “one who is a Muslim is declared impure.”
Mohammed said: “Kill the apostates wherever you find them, because whoever does so will be rewarded on Judgment Day.” – Sahih Bukhari 9,84,64
Angemon says
All muslims are required to make the pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in their lives.
CRUSADER says
There’s an appeal to certain psychotic people, one can suppose,
with this “pill-grim-age” thing:
One gets to hang with homies in a gang setting,
One knows exactly what to do — since everyone else is also doing it,
One gets to stick one’s ass out in a public setting and smell others doing it,
One gets to draw blood from an animal’s neck and practice what killing is like,
One gets to lord it over women while in a pack of other glowering males,
One gets to be sprayed with zimzim water, and feel refreshed,
One gets to throw rocks at a make-believe shaytan devil, like dodge-ball,
One gets to feel dizzy going round and round a meteorite, like when as a child,
One gets a sense that doing all this makes one holy and closer to the divine…
Very grim pill !!!! (But only to sane people, otherwise, it’s darned fun!)
Carol the 1st says
You left out ‘One can molest merrily and anonymously while mingling’.
Egyptian journalist Mona Eltahawy (who started #MosqueMeToo) got molested. Canadian ex-muslim Sandra Solomon did as well. Despite frequent reports the mosque police are doggedly skeptical.
One woman describes a rather soppy attacker thus: “…I cried and cried and he came at me more. A group of hajjis circled me and tried to protect me but he came at them like an attack dog. There were two of them working the crowd. I finally got out of the circle and ran for help but no help came. The hajj office act like you are crazy and claim no one has ever reported this before. I told the man in charge of my hajj group and he also did nothing. I do not know the answer here.” (How about ‘Stay Away From Islam?’)
It seems the would-be hajji soiled his “sacred mental state” and special ihram clothing and so this muslima will only have the satisfaction of knowing his hajj was thus “invalid”. Seems fitting.
CRUSADER says
Regarding that Z-Z water which PillGrims get to drink up and distort their minds from:
Arsenic affects the Muslim minds
while
Old Lace clouds the vision of Christians, these days….
The British Food Standards Agency has in the past issued warnings about water claiming to be from the Zamzam Well containing dangerous levels of arsenic; such sales have also been reported in the United Arab Emirates (UAE), where it is illegal to sell Zamzam water. The Saudi government has prohibited the commercial export of Zamzam water from the kingdom. In May 2011, a BBC London investigation found that water taken from taps connected to the Zamzam Well contained high levels of nitrate, potentially harmful bacteria, and arsenic at levels three times the legal limit in the UK, the same levels found in illegal water purchased in the UK. Arsenic is a carcinogen, raising concerns that any who regularly consume commercial Zamzam water in large quantities may be exposed to higher risks of cancer.
Later in that month the Council of British Hajjis stated that drinking Zamzam water was safe and disagreed with the BBC report. They also noted that the Government of Saudi Arabia does not allow the export of Zamzam water for resale. They also stated that it was unknown whether the water being sold in the UK was genuine, and that people should not buy it and should report the sellers to the Trading Standards if they saw it for sale.
The BBC’s findings have drawn mixed reactions from the Muslim community. Environmental health officer Yunes Ramadan Teinaz told the British broadcaster about commercially marketed Zamzam water that, “People see this water as a holy water. They find it difficult to accept that it is contaminated, but the authorities in Saudi Arabia or in the UK must take action.” The Saudi authorities have stated that water from the well was tested by the Group Laboratories of CARSO-LSEHL in Lyon, licensed by the French Ministry of Health for the testing of drinking water. According to reports of these results, the level of arsenic in Zamzam water taken at its source is much lower than the maximum amount permitted by the World Health Organization. The Saudi authorities have thus said that the water is fit for human consumption. Zuhair Nawab, president of the Saudi Geological Survey (SGS), has claimed that the Zamzam Well is tested on a daily basis, in a process involving the taking of three samples from the well. These are said to be examined in the King Abdullah Zamzam Water Distribution Center in Mecca, which is equipped with advanced facilities. An article written in Skeptic magazine in 2017 states that the methodologies of testing used by Saudi authorities are incomplete, inadequate and biased.
CRUSADER says
Can’t wait to do a REAL pilgrimage, to Santiago!
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tim gallagher says
Imagine anyone thinking that ISIS was not tough and extreme enough. The level of inhuman evil that some Muslims reach is truly beyond belief. Islam is such a disgusting ideology the way it produces such truly satanically evil attitudes in quite a lot of people.
gravenimage says
Australia: Muslim decided to join the Islamic State after making pilgrimage to Mecca
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But gee–this couldn’t have anything to do with Islam, could it?