Two of the questions I am most often asked are, “Why does Islam seem so attractive to converts?” and “Can Islam be defeated?” Not surprisingly, these two questions are interrelated.
There are many elements to Islam that attract Western converts today, including its seeming clarity on right/wrong, its unwavering commitment to monotheism and its appeal to anti-Jewish and anti-Christian sentiments in our post-Christian culture. But I believe there is an even greater appeal to the heart of fallen human nature.
In the New Testament, the apostle Paul speaks of the fallen human heart as the life of the “flesh.” This stands in opposition to “life in the Spirit,” the new nature born in the human heart upon conversion to Christ, when the Spirit of God takes up residence within a person’s spirit and begins transforming him/her into the likeness of Jesus Christ, a lifelong process theologians refer to as “sanctification.”
Islam knows no such process, because it does not believe that human nature is fallen or inherently flawed by a sinful bent, but teaches instead that humans tend to be forgetful and just need regular reminders that their rightful role in life is submission as slaves to Allah. As such, Islam has no equivalent to Paul’s teaching that believers are to “put to death whatever belongs to your earthly nature” (Col. 3:5; see also Rom. 8:13), but rather proposes that our natural earthly desires are to be harnessed in service to a very “fleshly” Allah.
Islam is such a powerful movement because it is the perfect religion to appeal to the flesh. Our fallen hearts naturally lust after the fulfillment of certain basic cravings. Chief among these are three: ego (hubris); power; pleasure. In our natural state, we want to favorably compare ourselves to others, to show that we are better than those around us; we want power to be able to shape the world for our benefit or according to our whims and appetites; we want to enjoy a variety of pleasures the world affords and avoid its pains. Islam caters to these cravings.
As to hubris, the Qur’an teaches Muslims that they are “the best of all peoples ever raised up for mankind” (3:110), and that by contrast the rest of the world (all those who reject Islam, including Christians, Jews, pagans, etc.) are “the worst of all creatures” in Allah’s sight (98:6). This theme woven throughout the Qur’an has produced the supremacist attitude so apparent in Islamic thought down through the centuries, an attitude central to its drive to conquer the world so as to justify the belief that Islam is better than any alternative and that Muslims are better than all non-Muslims.
As to power, Islam preaches a god of absolute might and sovereignty who routinely resorts to force when his creatures refuse to willingly comply with his will. The cry of Muslim armies, Muslim terrorists, and Muslim protagonists all over the world, Allahu akbar, does not mean “God is great,” as so many mistranslate it, but rather “God is greater!” It is not merely a metaphysical claim about a certain god, but rather an in-your-face challenge to all who follow someone or something other than the god of Islam. “Our Allah is greater than whatever you cherish and value most highly, and we will wipe your idols off the throne of your lives and replace them with Allah, if you don’t voluntarily submit to Islam.” The Qur’an calls Muslims to “kill and be killed” for the cause of Allah (9:111), and Allah promises his warriors supernatural aid (angels will fight alongside them and strengthen them) so that twenty jihadis will defeat two hundred infidels, and a hundred will defeat a thousand (8:65). According to Islam, the true prophets have always fought and killed for the advancement of Allah’s kingdom. In Sura 8:67, Muhammad declares (as Allah’s mouthpiece), “It is not for a prophet to have captives [of war] until he inflicts a massacre [upon Allah ‘s enemies] in the land.” Allah harnesses the fallen human heart’s penchant for power over others by givingMuslims free rein to slaughter all who will not bow before Islam’s command to submit to Allah. Such violent compulsion is not a sin when used in Allah’s cause.
Lastly, with regard to pleasure, Islam gives Muslim men (who are the masters of their women and children that, as a result. have no say in the matter) the booty they collect from their wars against unbelievers, both in terms of material goods and those they have captured as slaves. Slaves can be sold off for financial gain or kept for service. Conquered females can be turned into sex slaves, whether married or virgin. These are part and parcel of the “benefits” Allah grants his faithful jihadis. But of course the greatest pleasure he promises his devotees is that if they are faithful enough to him on earth, he will grant them entrance to an eternal paradise on the Day of Judgment. And what characterizes this Paradise? All the earthly pleasures a fallen heart could ever desire: gardens filled with an unlimited variety of fruit-bearing trees, watered by streams of clear water, wholesome milk, pure honey and robust wine flowing between shaded banks covered with soft mossy rises; an abundance of foods considered rare delicacies in the desert reaches of Arabia; boys available as servants to do the Muslim master’s bidding, whatever that might be; houris (young, beautiful, buxom virgins created by Allah for the dwellers of Paradise, women panting with desire for their respective masters and available at a moment’s notice for sexual coupling, after which they miraculously return to their virginal state (Muslim commentators differ on the minimum number of houris assigned to each Muslim man in Paradise, from dozens to thousands), and if you think that this sexual gymnasium might become tiresome, there are commentators quick to assure readers that in Paradise Muslim men will be capable of ceaseless erections. Allah, of course, is not present, because in his loftiness he cannot condescend to hobnob with his rutting subjects, but he has provided them this erotic elysium as a reward for their unflagging service on earth.
Why does Islam appeal to so many in the West today? Because it gives divine approval to the pursuit of our sinful passions, making them virtuous: it encourages hubris by stroking the egos of Muslims, declaring them the best of humans in Allah’s eyes; it commands them to wield the sword and enjoy their divinely-bestowed power by lording their authority over non-Muslims, demanding that infidels serve them and accept an inferior status before their Muslim overlords; and it promises them unlimited fulfillment of the appetites of the flesh — what they can’t win for themselves through conquest on earth, Allah will supply in spades in heaven, all to be enjoyed without the least tinge of a wounded conscience.
Islam is the perfect religion of the flesh, even if it does promote the death of its followers. Death is only the gateway to infinite enjoyment of carnal pleasures.
Can such a religion be defeated? The answer, of course, is yes. But can Islam be defeated by Western civilization as it now stands? I’m afraid the answer to that is no. The post-Christian West has lost the compelling reason for its existence. We still enjoy many of the fruits of the biblical worldview that inspired the fundamentals of Western thought: the notion that all human beings are created in the image of God and therefore of equal value and dignity, and imbued with certain inalienable rights, things we today call “human rights.” Yet as Western civilization has become increasingly secular in the last two hundred years, we have consciously undermined the metaphysical framework on which our freedoms and successes were built, and assumed that the structure would remain standing. We want to enjoy the good values and practices we have, but can no longer find the deep justifications for why they must exist. We are like the inhabitants of a great tree that is dying, still enjoying the dwindling fruit that remain on its branches, wondering why the tree is so sickly as all the while we are chopping away at the base of the trunk in the desire to gather wood for our huts in the branches. We have mindlessly cut ourselves off from the life-giving roots of our majestic tree, but continue to pick the diminishing fruit and hope vainly that the tree will somehow regain her strength.
America and Europe have squandered the legacy of a worldview that brought untold blessing to humanity. We have let slip through our fingers the majestic and profound truths upon which the best of human society has been built: that the God of all creation made human beings as the apple of His eye, and stamped our spirits with His image and likeness; that this God is Love Himself, and from Him flow all things good; that He made us for a relationship with Himself and for one another, to know Him intimately and to live in love as brothers and sisters; that sin has destroyed this harmony which will only be fully restored by His self-sacrifice to repair the breach caused by human evil; that His incarnation as one of us to bear our sins and draw us to Himself has turned the tide against evil; that we are invited to enjoy the fullness of His redeeming love and to share that with all the world until He returns to bring all things to their appointed end and cleanse His creation once and for all of evil.
This worldview once empowered our forebears and became the foundation of the greatness of Western culture and civilization. But we have gradually walked away from that and replaced it with secular humanism, a notion that there is no God behind this world, that we just exist as human beings with inherent rights granted us by a lifeless, mindless, random universe of mass and energy. We want desperately to believe that we matter, that all human beings matter, that concepts like justice, mercy, kindness, freedom, and love have inherent worth and value, but if in the end we are all just products of random acts of a mindless and uncaring universe, why should anyone care about anyone else, or about “enduring moral principles”? For in the end, everything will blink out of existence in the same way as it randomly came into existence. We may rage against the night for the brief moment of our existence, but soon enough the night wins.
Secular humanism has been hacking away at the trunk of Western civilization for quite a while now. I saw a sad but telling example of this a few months ago in the suburbs of London. Having an afternoon off on a rainy day, I took a hike along the banks of the Thames River till I came upon the town of Teddington in Middlesex. Deciding to follow the pathway into town, I spied a beautiful church rising above the nearby roofs and trees, and determined to spend some time inside. As I walked completely around the perimeter, I could find no main entrance into the sanctuary, only a side entrance into an area called the “Landmark Arts Centre,” where a few people were coming and going. Finally, not seeing any alternative, I walked through that entrance and spoke with a very helpful attendant at the welcome desk. “Isn’t this a church?” I asked. “May I see the sanctuary?”
“Oh, no, I’m sorry,” she said. “This hasn’t been a church since the 1990s. It now serves as space for our Landmark Arts Centre, which hosts art displays and social dinners and concerts as part of our effort to support local artists.” I discovered in further conversation and research that the original structure, Church of St. Alban the Martyr was built and dedicated to the glory of God in 1889. Though never formally designated a “cathedral,” it became known informally as “The Cathedral of the Thames Valley.” It is indeed a majestic building, reflecting the religious gratitude of multitudes in constructing such a monument to the grace of God.
However, as British society grew more secular and indifferent to things Christian, St. Alban’s disbanded as a congregation in 1977 (only 90 years after the cornerstone had been laid!) and the building was declared “redundant” (don’t you just love British terminology? — it means “superfluous/no longer needed”). Once a glorious edifice, St. Alban’s deteriorated for some 15 years as a derelict building until locals formed a “robust campaign” to see it restored as an English Heritage site in the 1990s. And so today, the Church of St. Alban the Martyr no longer exists, but has been replaced by the Landmarks Art Centre.
Here’s what the former sanctuary looked like the day I visited in November 2017.
A sad, real-life parable reflecting what has been going on in Western civilization as a whole. The original purpose of the structure has been lost, and it now serves a small enterprise that cannot give meaning to that original architectural masterpiece. A cathedral built for the glory of God now fronts as a warehouse to view paintings and sculptures.
Secular humanism cannot breathe meaning and purpose into a civilization built upon a biblical worldview. It can seek to maintain the structure for a while, as it has in America, but sooner or later the grand architecture of rights and blessings we have enjoyed due to the out-working of the gospel will weigh too heavily on the small enterprise of humanism, and post-Christian civilization will collapse upon itself.
So, can Western civilization defeat Islam? Hardly. It is having a hard enough time standing on its own two feet to resist a secular worldview intent on knocking it over. Certainly, the Western world has enough military power and political resources to restrain the world of Muslim nations and radical jihadi groups, but mere force cannot destroy Islam as an ideology or worldview. Secular humanism is a lightweight against the juggernaut of Islam, which is not just a set of religious beliefs but an all-encompassing worldview, informing the whole of life for its adherents. What is needed to defeat Islam is exactly what the West has jettisoned — an embrace of the worldview of Christianity.
To defeat a strong worldview necessitates an even stronger one. What is stronger than a god of hate if not a God of love? What is better than a god who uses and commands brutal force than a God who exhibits and commands self-sacrifice? What is stronger, a god who harnesses the power of temptation to advance his cause, or a God who defeats the power of sin so as to rescue human beings for a higher calling? What is stronger, a god who promises to reward those who kill and are killed in his name, or a God who conquers death by His own death, in order to offer eternal life as a gift to those who come in gratitude? What is a greater worldview: one that commands love for Muslims and hatred for infidels, or one that commands love for all neighbors, including enemies?
The religion of Islam will one day crumble into oblivion….Continue reading at the Mateen Alass site.
Mateen Alass (PhD) was raised in Saudi Arabia. After completing a B.A. at Stanford University he graduated from Fuller Seminary, earning M.Div. and M.A. degrees in Biblical Studies and Theology. After several years of pastoral work he returned to school earning a Ph.D. in New Testament Studies from Durham University in England, studying under the world-renowned NT scholar James D. G. Dunn.
Shalom says
Whem Muslims see Jews are living and Israrl is thriving, they know deep inside that Islam has been beaten.
That is why they hate Jews and Israel so much
gravenimage says
Muslims have *always* hated Jews, because such genocidal Jew hatred is in the Qur’an and Hadith, and was practiced by the “Prophet”. But you are right, Shalom–many Muslims are unhinged in their anger that little, beleaguered, Jewish Israel is innovative and thriving, and the surrounding Islamic states are not.
joanofark06 says
“That is why they hate Jews and Israel so much”
Hmm, I’d have to say, that Satan hates Israel, and the Jews, just as much as the muslims do. So satan hates knowing that Israel is thriving too?
And muslims are killing NON-muslims, all around the world, because their mad that Israel is thriving? So THAT’S why their throwing on suicide vests, and blowing themselves up, along with other innocent people?
Wow, that IS pretty mad, that Israel is thriving!
So I guess, they have to keep getting themselves noticed, all around the world, by running down people with vehicles, and stabbing many, and throwing acid in faces, and etc etc….because they feel that Islam is dying, and this is the way, they show everyone in the world, that it’s NOT dying? Alrighty then…I’ll believe ya! sarc/off
Anthony says
Its actually an easy choice. My God is the only deity with an empty grave!
Paul J says
AMEN
Kepha says
Amen
abad says
Amen!
jewdog says
Right. Western civilization took hundreds of years to develop into a system which provides protections and freedom for people of diverse beliefs, but today many people take those advantages for granted. Note that that is less of an issue in eastern Europe, where Communist oppression taught people how to distinguish between a coercive system and a free one.
Islam’s comprehensive vision of society is very compelling for people who are seeking guidance and structure, but it is an intolerant and violent vision which ultimately leads to tyranny or chaos. Yet, we must acknowledge that jihadist groups like ISIS have been very successful in attracting followers. One big reason is that their vision is clearly presented in the texts and tenets of Islam. To counter this message we need an alternate vision, stated in a concise form, of what a free and just society looks like. Western values should inspire a kind of manifesto that competes favorably with the Islamist vision in appealing to enlightened self-interest.
The task is to change attitudes. Manifestos, or clearly stated goals and behaviors, are an effective mechanism which have been used by many movements, both good and evil, from the Communists (Das Kapital), to the Nazis Mein Kampf), to the United States (the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution) to inspire people for a cause.
It’s a disgrace that we have neglected to do this; instead we pick nits on the Israeli-Palestinian issue or the myriad of other distractions in that region. Even after Saddam Hussein was overthrown our plan for the Iraqi constitution was Sharia law. We can do a lot better than that, but it takes self-confidence, faith in the superiority of western civilization. Do we still have it? Maybe not.
mortimer says
Agree with JD. We of the West are post-Enlightment, rationalistic, psychological, modern and progressive, fully literate, anti-discriminatory, pluralistic, but Muslim countries are the opposite.
In high contrast, Islamic countries are PRE-Enlightenment, PRE-rational, PRE-psychological, MEDIEVAL and BACKWARD-LOOKING, semi-literate or PRE-literate, MONOcultural ONE-PARTY STATES.
Some Western countries like Sweden and Germany are actively seeking a suicidal population replacement.
gravenimage says
Yes, Jewdog and Mortimer–we should be defending our civilized societies. That so few speak up for the most advanced and just societies in the history of the world is just appalling.
Demsci says
Well said, Jewdog. If we only have this negative goal of ABI, Anything But Islam, I fear we are not going to successful. I like to see this negative goal as in the service of a positive goal. And that is promoting the better alternative(s) to Islam. And I find these, as you do, in the Enlightenment ideals, in the democratic constitutions. In manifesto’s and their promotion. And Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists and what have you can unite under them.
And: Why should we underestimate that which we fear (or worry about) so much? Islam. instead why don’t we consider emulating it, not in it’s abhorrent content, but it’s success formula?
Muslims have MIG Most Important Guiding Texts. Why can’t we have our own, much better MIG texts? Or if we already have them, cherish and honor them more?
Muslims have this prophet to emulate. Why don’t or can’;t we have our own much better rolemodels? Or if we have them, cherish, honor and emulate them better?
Muslims have their 5 pillars. Democracy also has 5 pillars; Fair elections, Separation of church and state, rule of law, freedom of the individual (as far as possible and reasonable), freedom of speech.
We could even toy with the idea of telling Muslims and Leftists that we are in favor of ridiculing everyone, but if you try to prohibit ridiculing of Mohammed, or Islam, then we call out your hypocrisy. Because why then do you commit to ridiculing pres. Trump, who is arguably the “prophet” of many, whose feelings are so massively, consistently trampled upon. Why insult only Trump and not Mohammed, prohibit or allow both in equal measure.
Demsci says
If we juxtapose our own ideals against Islam, we can in one stroke offer Muslims worldwide openly a better alternative to Islam and inspire our own people (parts thereof).
One thing to improve upon Islam is the contrast we offer about membership.
In Islam membership is mandatory for life, after birth or conversion. Regardless of belief or practice of doctrine. Bad Muslims cannot be thrown out, only ignored or killed. As a result, Muslims can describe Islam in whatever way they want without being held accountable for their interpretation (which is often ignorance or often a lie to infidels).
In BATI (Better Alternative To Islam) membership is a privilege, to be held on conditions of belief in doctrine. There is lawful central authority; What members say must be in accordance with clear doctrine or else bad interpretators of doctrines can be thrown out.
Once we emulate their forms, we can offer Muslims so much better alternatives. We only cannot promise them heaven after life, only heaven on earth.
revereridesagain says
Blame everyone who does not accept the mythology of your god for the popularity of the mythology of someone else’s god. Then you have a scapegoat for everything.
mortimer says
Agree with Mateen Elass and I add the following component of Islam’s appeal … CAPTURE BONDING.
The psychological mechanism of CAPTURE BONDING or the STOCKHOLM SYNDROME is at the PSYCHOLOGICAL CORE of Islam. Women are attracted to Islam as they feel they will be “SAFE” if they comply with the MISOGNYISTIC DEMANDS of the SADISTIC PERPETRATOR. Men feel they are part of secret brotherhood or gang.
FBI DEFINITION of CAPTURE BONDING : the STOCKHOLM SYNDROME occurs as one or more of the following phases (or manifestations): (1) the hostages develop positive feelings toward their captors; (2) the hostages develop negative feelings toward the authorities; and (3) the hostage-takers develop positive feelings toward their hostages.
Shan94 says
The only 3 places where islam has been defeated has been
1) Spanish Reconquista
2) Sikh reprisals in Indian East Punjab 1947
3) China, where since Qing times, for the last 250 years, Islamic methods have been used vs Muslims- read how Chinese dealt with muslim jihadis like Pantha revolt and Dungan revolt
All 3 places used islamic methods
Islam grows by reproduction, and umless kafirs are willing to pop out 4 kids, no way to stop islamisation
gravenimage says
Actually, there are other places as well–southern France, Sicily, southern Italy, Greece, the Balkans, and Israel.
Not all of these people embraced the savagery of Islamic tactics to achieve this–Israel certainly did not. But people *do* have to defend themselves and their civilized societies–they can’t just roll over.
mortimer says
Response to the question “Can such a religion be defeated?”
Yes, by the SOCIETY-COMPARISON METHOD. Islam is a non-intellectual religion based on dualistic, self-contradictory, and authoritarian thought. Any rational, logical argument is lost on Muslims. They are extremely brainwashed. HOWEVER, Muslims have eyes and can read non-verbal clues.
When Muslims see the CONTRASTS and DIFFERENCES between CORRUPT, UNFREE, DYSFUNCTIONAL ISLAMIC BERZERKISTANS and the ETHICAL, FREE, HIGH-FUNCTIONING, WESTERN CHRISTIAN COUNTRIES, they believe in their hearts that “THIS SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING!”
Muslims realize in their HEARTS that ISLAM CREATES DYSFUNCTIONAL COUNTRIES.
If we hammer on the this ALL-TOO-VISIBLE fact of the DYSFUNCTIONALITY OF ISLAMIC SOCIETY, we can bring Muslims to abandon Islam.
Most Muslims do not live highly Islamic lives. Only 15% of Muslims attend the mosque. In many Islamic countries, mosque attendance is even less than that.
SUMMARY: ISLAM IS DYSFUNCTIONAL and that is Islam’s GREAT WEAKNESS in the minds of Muslims.
Tom Cheria says
Yes. I agree. This is why I always ask them to compare Western Christian Civilization and Islamic Civilization. Ask them why is Allah so powerless that he cannot help Muslims create a half baked civilization and why worship Allah?
Secondly I unequivocally state that Allah is Purest SATAN and Satan worship is the worst of the worst worship and it is million times worse than worshiping IDOLS or even poop.
Immigration is the ONLY reason why ISLAM is growing in the WEST. Immigration has to be stopped asap.
By the way DAVID Wood and Christian Prince is exposing ISLAM theologically.
gravenimage says
Mortimer, pious Muslims believe that our civilized societies are decadent and need to be destroyed and have Shari’ah law imposed on us.
mortimer says
Additional thought: MUSLIMS SEE that Islamic countries are dysfunctional. This is an INDICTMENT against Islam. They SEE it. Muslims SEE that Western countries are HIGH-FUNCTIONING. This is a RECOMMENDATION of WESTERN THOUGHT and an INDICTMENT against the dysfunctionality caused by Sharia law.
gravenimage says
How many Muslims are lauding the civilized West and advocating Muslims adopt Western values? Damn few, and none who are orthodox Islam.
Savvy Kafir says
Excellent point! And that simple fact speaks volumes.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Savvy Kafir. God knows I wish I was wrong.
observer says
Very beautifully written Mateen Alass.
Thank you.
Thanks also to Mortimer with his faith and incisive mind.
May the Christian God of Love triumph.
It is not going to be easy to contain this evil in our midst.
Oh God… make haste to help us… for right now it feels as though the boat is going down… and I don’t feel good about my ability to tread water…
Also remembering Robert Spencer for his needs Lord… Amen
gravenimage says
I am also praying for Robert Spencer’s health.
DP111 says
Can Isl;am be defeated?
Yes it can. Islam is a political ideology that is based on earth. Any such ideology will be defeated as the seeds if its destruction are within itself.
OTH Christianity is a faith that is not of this earth. That is why, despite facing the most hideous persecution and mass murders through history, it has grown.
mortimer says
DP, over 10 million Muslims are leaving Islam every year. Muslims who leave Islam are arguing against Islam very eloquently and Muslims who are thinking of leaving are listening to them. This is the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY that Muslims are able to listen to and read all the valid arguments for leaving Islam.
The exit from Islam will only excelerate
James Lincoln says
mortimer says,
“…over 10 million Muslims are leaving Islam every year…”
Please provide a reference for this – I would like to read some encouraging news for a change…
Herbert Lubitz says
If you are a Moslim, ask one simple question. When you are under severe stress and depression, can you actually get Allah’s attention of Salvation in times of need? No, and when you are unsure of Islam and have a question about why you are praying to Allah and nothing happens, but when Christians and Jews ask for intercession into their lives an answer always comes forth to those who are praying to The true God of Abraham, and Moses who have dealt with extremes and have God’s favor. I go through lot’s of tests of faith and when I turn to God and ask for his help to defeat the problem at hand that you can’t do it on your own without his help and guidance, and it WILL be granted. I am a believer in Christ and have given my life to him and since then 20 years later I am still being gifted with his Mercy.
JM says
May you always be touched by God’s grace and mercy, H.L. ! May the true God of Jews and Christians love you and keep you safe!
thebigW says
I don’t buy this guy’s thesis, ’cause the secular West could easily defend itself from Muslims and has lotsa good reasons to, since Islam is like a massive bunch of violations of most of the values of secularism. What’s stopping the secular West from doing the right thing here ain’t secularism per se but the political correctness and its insane worry about bein’ “racist” that somehow got attached to secularism somewhere along the way. If the West don’t DETACH this insane PC, it’s gonna be DESTROYED by Muslims in the future.
And by the way, most Western Christians and Jews have also fallen under the spell of this INSANE PC, so that’s another reason why this ain’t just about “secularism”.
gravenimage says
Also good points.
Geoffrey Britain says
Political correctness is secularism’s inescapable offspring.
thebigW says
Well, if yer sayin’ that you can’t have secularism without PC, then yeah, secularism has got to go; but I ain’t so sure. Fer one thing, like I said how come most Christians and Jews are PC about Islam? Are they secular too?
mateenelass says
In answer to your question, I would say most Christians and Jews are PC about Islam either because they are ignorant of Islam or because they are fearful of the wrath of the secularist media, entertainment and academic industries, which are quick to attack those who stray from the party line. Politucal correctness is indeed a child of secularism. Since secularism has no universally accepted moral code of conduct (having no deontological basis for one), the “best” way to enforce behavior is through the bullying of those who rise to social or political power. The PC police enforce through praise or shame those beliefs in vogue at the moment. As social mores shift, so do the positions of the avant-garde enforcers.
Kepha says
BigW: You cannot beieve that God became man in Jesus Christ, was truly crucified for the sins of his people, and rose from the dead on the third day for their justification on the one hand and on the other say that Islam is also true. Right there, a lot of us Christians have ceased to be PeeCee about Islam. We cannot do other after coming to know what our own religion is about.
It is true that many of us pray that God will not enter into the dreadful judgment of war and massacre with his servants–especially when the openness of many Muslim people to the Gospel in recent years has caught missions agencies flatfooted, even while they are supremely grateful. We pray for more Muslims–and Western secularists–to come to Christ. If we can win through the peaceable work of the Holy Spirit on people’s hearts and minds that leads to conversions and growth in grace, we believe that such is a far better and more thorough victory than one in which millions of God’s image-bearers (people) must die. While Uncle Kepha wholeheartedly believes there can be such a thing as a just war, and might even give his decrepit old body in one, he also firmly believes that God would be far more pleased with conversions.
@mateenelass: Thank you for a very spot-on post. But I would also add that much of the apparent PeeCee among Christians may also reflect a humility about what they don’t know well, and a perfectly legitimate desire to seek peace with others as much as it is up to them. That, along with every good gift and word of God can be twisted and misrepresented by the world, flesh, and devil.
thebigW says
Kepha, a lot of people in the world don’t believe in Christianity, but only Muslims and Communists are trying to destroy the free world. Seems like yer mixin’ apples and oranges here.
Kepha says
bigW: I am perfectly aware that I do not represent the majority opinion, thank you. However, I believe one reason for Islam’s advance has been the West’s pride in its “post-Christian” status.
abad says
A society can be secular without being politically correct.
The United States was once secular before the liberal elite created what they call, Political Correctness.
Bacherbazistan says
Check out the youtube channel Born Again Indian from a Pakistani ex-muslim. He claims that Pakistani muslims suffer from self-hatred because they adopted the religion of their Arab conquerors. They have no cultural identity of their own, only islam. He now considers himself Indian, as without islam there would be no Pakistan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8s2mM_ASVk
Bacherbazistan says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50iVopWeNCI
Nicu says
Islam HAS TO BE defeated – like Nazism : it’s an evil ideology !
joanofark06 says
Exactly! Now, if only we can get satan’s influence over 19 leaders of 19 countries (that opened their borders, to thousands, if not millions of “them”), to be taken off….but it looks like, it’s gonna take an exorcism for THAT to happen! We’re told that satan’s time is short…and I believe he’s moving faster!
Walter Schumm says
I believe that Islam can be disproven statistically/scientifically. I have the data, just need to find the time to input it and run it.
Savvy Kafir says
Walter — The problem is that most religious people are unmoved by evidence, logic, & reason when those things run counter to their cherished beliefs. This is especially true with Muslims, because they are taught to despise non-Muslims & the ideas of infidels.
gravenimage says
Can Islam Be Defeated?
………………
Islam is most attractive to violent felons–it teaches that all of their savagery is sacralized if it victimizes Infidels.
And Islam *can* be defeated–but first people need to wake up recognize Islam as a threat. Right now, there are too many still in willful ignorance of this obvious fact.
mortimer says
Response to GI… re defeating Islam. Communism collapsed when the Soviet leaders all realized that their system was dysfunctional, inefficient and an extinguisher of innovation.
Muslims will leave Islam when they see that no Islamic society is successful at providing a good life for its citizens. All Islamic countries are rife with corruption and injustice, and public trust in all institutions is very low.
The leading Western countries still have high levels of honesty in their main institutions, apart from occasional corruption scandals which are not normative.
Muslim countries are at the bottom in most measurements of the perception of national honesty.
This is one of the greatest indictments against Islam. Islam always creates dysfunctional countries.
No one wants to move to a Muslim country; they want to move out of them.
gravenimage says
Mortimer, I don’t think the most committed Soviets much cared that Communism caused misery–they just had to abandon it when it started falling apart.
And pious Muslims care more about imposing Shari’ah than they do about acknowledging how dysfunctional Islam is. No Muslim country has ever jettisoned Islam. The one that came closest was Turkey under Kemalism–but that nation is now re-Islamizing at an alarming rate.
And devout Muslims are fine with living off the productive labor of Infidels–I don’t think most of them care that by almost every civilizational yardstick Dar-al-Islam is near or at the bottom.
mortimer says
GI, Muslim writers discuss the dysfunctionality and backwardness of Muslim countries. It indeed does bother them, because the backwardness is an indictment against Sharia. The secularist movement in Turkey is stronger than you believe. They are biding their time. They are under house arrest and some are in jail. The people will get sick of the failed economy in Turkey. Secularism will soon sweep the Muslim world. I have studied the Soviet nomenklatura. They did a lot of thinking about why their system wasn’t working. Communism in practice is constant manipulation…the lie of the week. Islamic countries use the same technique. We are seeing the same lie of the week technique in Western media.
gravenimage says
Mortimer wrote:
GI, Muslim writers discuss the dysfunctionality and backwardness of Muslim countries. It indeed does bother them, because the backwardness is an indictment against Sharia.
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Mortimer, we rationally see it that way; pious Muslims do not.
The Pew Research Center report states, “Overwhelming percentages of Muslims in many countries want Islamic law [Sharia] to be the official law of the land.” Those numbers are as high as 99% in places like Afghanistan.
More:
The secularist movement in Turkey is stronger than you believe. They are biding their time. They are under house arrest and some are in jail. The people will get sick of the failed economy in Turkey.
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Why would they be “biding their time” when Erdogan is further Islamizing Turkey? They are only getting weaker.
And most Muslim countries have a much worse economy than does Turkey (due to its years of official secularism). Yet Muslims there are not calling for secularism.
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Secularism will soon sweep the Muslim world.
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I hope so, Mortimer–but this hasn’t happened in 1400 years. In fact, secularism in the Muslim world was more popular seventy years ago, when ideas like “Pan-Arabism” and the incursions of Communism were more popular.
Today, there is in most parts of the Muslim world a huge resurgence of Islam.
More:
I have studied the Soviet nomenklatura. They did a lot of thinking about why their system wasn’t working. Communism in practice is constant manipulation…the lie of the week. Islamic countries use the same technique. We are seeing the same lie of the week technique in Western media.
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This is true–but, again, Communism more fell apart than it was dismantled. And today, sadly, a majority of Russians are nostalgic for Communism, and many for the Stalin himself.
“Russians Miss The Soviet Empire: Poll”
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/soviet-empire-poll_n_5288261
Savvy Kafir says
Good points, gravenimage!
And those are just a few of the reasons we can’t expect Muslims to abandon their religion in large enough numbers, fast enough to save the West. Our salvation depends upon our own actions — not a growing lack of religious enthusiasm among Muslims.
gravenimage says
Thanks, Savvy Kafir.
And I agree, we cannot wait for Muslims to save us from Islam.
thebigW says
I figured ol’ mortimer would compare Muzzies with Russians under the USSR. Big difference, Prolly most Russians fer DECADES were either tryin’ to escape Communism or were sufferin’ under it and hatin’ it. Muzzies when they “escape” the Muzzy world to the West bring their sick n dangerous ideology with ’em because they LOVE MOHAMMED.
Rob says
Extraordinary that a religion that is so anti-sex and anti-women should hold these things as rewards to be had in abundance in Paradise.
gravenimage says
Rob, Islam is only anti-sex in some ways. It is anti-gay and anti-premarital sex, but allows pedophilia, polygamy, and rape and sex slavery.
It certainly does hate women, though.
Kepha says
Hmmmm, Gravenimage. It seems that the Western sexual revolution ends in a game in which dominant males compete to see who can sexually exploit the largest number of those weaker–with the LGBTQWXYZ movement simply increasing the number of players and fields for sexual exploitation. In this, it is similar to the sexual ethos of Islam; in which much license is granted to powerful Muslim males.
gravenimage says
I believe that certain things like having the freedom to marry for love are actually good things, Kepha, and this is not predatory at all.
thebigW says
Sure Rob, if you kin call sex-bots Allah creates for Paradise who never lived on earth “women”….
gravenimage says
The general idea–although Muslims don’t seem to have given this much thought–is that the Houris are not real women, but are magical hymen-regenerating creatures created especially for Muslims in paradise.
kuriakose says
Wonderful article, Mateen. Thank you.
b.a. freeman says
thank U for your words, my brother!
Lydia Church says
Very good points about how Christianity is superior to islam!
Death is swallowed up by Jesus’ death at the cross and resurrection, hate is conquered by love, sin and the curse is defeated by God’s holy victorious Son, and God triumphed over the devil in every way. That is why love your enemies is so powerful!
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The whole world is going to hell in a handbasket. Nothing can stop it outside of the return of Jesus after the end times. The sooner we know and accept that, the easier it will be when it comes to reality and preparation and expectation. The prophesies for the end of the world are upon us and it’s not going to be pretty. islam will be defeated at the return of Jesus. Don’t hold your breath for any earlier.
As for everyone else’s solution, it’s a no. Only Jesus’ return is the answer that can solve this.
The problem is the sinfulness of humanity. You can take any world system; political or religious, and you still have the problem of the sin nature of mankind.
islam has this in open display. No need for explanation.
Then you have ideologies like atheism, secularism, humanism, etc. This ties in with a lot of ideology from the left and communism. There is this underlying concept of ‘the utopia’ on earth. Now the church is being hijacked by this via dominionism (ushering in the kingdom, which man cannot do, only God). Many misguided ideologies began with good intentions. There is nothing wrong with wanting to spread good things to all people. But that is not what happened, did it. And a sinner doesn’t know what to do with a good thing. Give a homeless addict some money and he spends it on drugs. And one must begin with the question: Whose definition of ‘good things’? Many would now place abortion and gay marriage as ‘human rights’ and ‘equality’ when the Bible calls these things a sin. Anyway, the problem lies with the foundational ideology. Most of these belief systems hold that ‘all people, or most people, are basically good.’ If that were true, then such systems (or just about any system) would work because people would be fair and just, etc. But… it’s not true. It’s very much not true. People are dirty, rotten, selfish sinners. All I have to do is set foot outside my door, get into traffic, go to a store, etc. and I am bombarded with that fact every second. How is anything good going to come from that sea of sin? It isn’t. World peace? Forget it! I see kids every day reciting these pledges about how good they are going to be that day, and as soon as it is over, they go right back to lashing out at each other both verbally and physically. So… good luck with that one… all you secular humanists out there! Only Christianity acknowledges the sinful nature of man (and OT Judaism), and offers the solution; Jesus Christ the Savior. Unless people turn to Him, there is no hope. We know that it is few that will find eternal life, Jesus said so Himself. This world is dying as every form of evil will only increase. That is why God’s judgment is coming upon the whole earth. Christians will be martyred and the few that survive will be raptured and then the final wrath will fall. After the earth is cleansed, God will restore paradise to its former state. So there is a happy ending. But in the mean time it will be a tough road of discipleship ahead, and most Christians are unprepared, especially in the West for what lay ahead in the years to come.
Revelation 12; 11
Yes, communism fell and self destructed and nazism was defeated. But the world today is a very different place. The left is getting mobilized for a civil war against conservatives and it’s not the same army as it was in times before, these are not the types that would stand against evil, they are the types that stand with it.
Jesus came the first time to save individuals from sin.
Jesus will come the second time to save the world from the effects of sin.
Each time, He is the Savior, not us. Jesus’ name means ‘God is our salvation.’
The first arrival was to offer a path of salvation and pardon from sin.
The second arrival will be to judge those who did not take it.
John says
Terrific article.
As I’ve studied and considered Islam it strikes me that your average Muslim is very ignorant of his creed – he acquires what knowledge he has from the spoutings of his Imam. Hence we see radicalised individuals emerging from certain Mosques.
The degenerate, depraved nature of Mohammad seems invisible to his devotees. Reciting the Qur’an in Arabic is hardly going to inform the Ummah of its Satanic nature and origin.
The task is to shine a light on the true nature of Islam. After all, it’s all there in black and white and yet time and time again in the media the contents of the Qur’an and the Hadith are simply made invisible or wilfully misrepresented. The classic example is Sura 5:32 where the opening words about the decree being for “The Children of Israel” is conveniently ignored in the attempt to prove how peaceful is the creed of the moon god. The sad thing is that people ‘swallow’ this claptrap without question.
Christians have a task to reveal Islam for the phoney it is and take brave steps to inform both Muslims and Infidels alike that it is not just ‘another religion’, and the Qur’an and the Bible are not “basically the same” – a fatal canard if ever there was. Shining a light on The wickedness within the Qur’an and how Islam has blighted cultures over 1400 years is not difficult. It just requires a knowledge and courage to speak out above the din of the hysterical Left.
FYI says
“Why is islam so attractive to converts”?
1.The Doctrine of al walaa wal baraa gives permission to HATE
{just as fascism,nazism and bolshevism attracts those who cannot think for themselves and gives them license to hate and dominate others,islamic supremacist ideology does the same}
2. There is no 2nd chief Commandment in islam:thus,no need to respect others,no Golden rule,just the fraudulently pious muslims versus the rest of humanity
“Oh ye who believe!Take not the Jews and Christians for friends”
k5:51
3. For that black convert:islam is the black man’s religion right?…oh no it is not!Do some research..
“Whoever says the prophet was black is killed.The prophet was not black”
Ash shifa
muhammed was the owner,buyer and seller of African slaves:Arabs never have, and never will see converts as anything other than fools.You won’t ever be equal to them!
4.The commandment-of -God violating teachings of Al Lah’s koran give permission to murder k2:191,steal,commit adultery k4:24,bear false witness.
You can also indulge in polygamy and have a child bride;al lah is even OK with rape..surely that must attract the lusty convert..the freedom to do evil and sin…
If you are a muslim follow al Lah’s unwitting advice in k10:94 and consult the Bible:note how the koran teaches the OPPOSITE to the Exodus laws.If you cannot see the problem with that then you are an idiot…
5.Al Lah is the pagan Arab god of the muslims:Al Lah is NOT the Biblical God.
Elijah gave TWO paths
“If the Lord is God,follow Him.
But if baal be your god,follow him
I kings 18 v 21
If Al Lah was the SAME as the Biblical God then the LAW would be the SAME,right?But it isn’t!
So the 2 chief commandments are missing in islam,the 2nd one denied and contradicted by k5:51 and the immoral teachings of the koran are in total violation of God’s Exodus 20 Laws.
Al Lah,the pagan Arab god of the muslims is the diabolus simius Dei:the god of the pagan Arabs and the kaaba ,before Al Lah appeared was {Hu} BAAL.It’s not hard to see what Elijah meant;muslims follow baal {Al Lah} although they think it is the same as the Biblical God.It isn’t!It is a DIFFERENT god,a pagan Arab god.
Al Lah {“the BEST of deceivers” k3;54}
See for yourself what the ‘holy’ koran teaches:what it teaches is contrary to,and defeats the whole purpose of obeying God’s laws!
islam is the religion of antiChrist.
Chand says
Yes, Mateen, the Judeo-Christian worldview has been eroded by scientific materialism and secular humanism. But your prescription to save it with a resurrection of Christianity is very unlikely. This scientific/humanistic blow is severe and permanent.
Daniel Dennett, a modern American philosopher, has called Darwinism “universal acid” which erodes away all erroneous views of the past and this is term applies to scientific materialism generally. Not just Christianity but all world philosophies and religious views of the pre-scientific age (notably Darwinism and the atomic theory of matter) has been irreparably eroded away.
Islam, that is a literal interpretation of it, too will whither away over time from the relentless blows of science and technology. It will remain as a fossilized version, with some social rituals during festivals; a historical curiosity and as a subject for comparative religious, theological and cultural studies; etc.
The abyss of science/humanism will swallow everything and there is no prescription to stem this descent. But that does not necessarily mean a breakdown of human values of morals as most of those are probably biologically ingrained in us and transcends specific cultural transmissions.
All answers for modern civilization must come from scientific insights, even ‘spiritual’ and psychological ones. Where else? Cannot bank on unproven truths, can we?
Chand says
type……….I meant…………………….notably before Darwinism and the atomic theory of matter…..
Keys says
Chand –
From your comments on this post I am hearing you say that “man is the measure of all things”.
From my reading of history whenever that is the basis for a civilization there is misery. The will to power people and the “might makes right” people become the dominant people, usually in the name of some ultimate “good” – like “the state” or the “race” or the “emperor-pharoh-god”.
The evil genius of Islam is that it makes the ultimate good a supremacist creator God; a god based on Mohammad’s will to power and control, a god fabricated to manipulate and control those who disagree.
So are you equating Science with the absolute truth ?
You said: “But that does not necessarily mean a breakdown of human values of [sic] morals as most of those are probably biologically ingrained in us and transcends specific cultural transmission”.
So moral values are biologically ingrained in us, and Science will make those apparent after hundreds of thousands of years of human existence and perhaps hundred of thousands more ?
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In Plato’s Protagoras, Protagoras says “Man is the measure of all things”, which Plato interpreted to mean that there is no absolute truth but that which individuals deem to be the truth.
Kepha says
Not so sure, Chand. I wa born and raised in a faith similar to the one you describe, that somehow, morals and values would survive and coexist with the naturalistic jaganath. Back in the 1930’s, the Vienna Circle tried to re-establish the entire philosophic enterprise on a logical positivist base, largely because they were impressed with the advances of modern science. Yet, in 1938, one of its major exponents, Joseph Schaechter, after arguing that there is no way to get from the empirical _is_ to the ethical _ought_, utters a crie de couer over the absence of a “Socratic man” to help civilization out of its crisis. (see _Ethics and the Will_, which has essays by Moritz Schlick, Friedrich Waismann, and Joseph Schaechter).
Yet who was the original Socrates? He was a guy who thought there had to be a better God than the Athenian pantheon and went on trial and was sentenced to death for saying so. Further, when, in _Gorgias_, where Socrates and others discuss the true nature of justice, a man named Callicles argues that the tyrant is the happiest of men, Socrates ha no other answer than that we somehow face a judgment after death. No wonder the early Christian fathers (Greeks at that) were attracted to Platonism!
And, what should good, naturalistic, evolutionary materialist, logical positivist Viennese do in 1938, when Hitler’s forces are marching into his city? If he was not a Jew, and had very intelligently (in the eyes of late 19th- and early 20th century intelletuals) decided that God-talk was jut a way to keep the clergy in money, it would make far more sense to go along and get along with the new regime; to adapt to the enironment, so to speak. And, a few years later, as the Soviet army approaches, it would be eminently sensible to abandon the worship of Hitler for that of Stalin. I believe that Mateenelass (I crave his indulgence) also senses how the abandonment of a transcendant reference point has damaged the West. I’ll freely admit that such things are among the reasons I abandoned my youthful faith for the Christ of the Old and New Testaments. These are also reasons why I believe that post-enlightenment liberal “secularism” (which ends up the idolatry of self, state, and science) has proven a weak reed on which to lean in the confrontation with Islam (nod to the prophet Isaiah, who in 36:6 gave us the origin of this idiom).
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Keys says
Kepha – I sure enjoyed your response to Chand – well said.
Excellent point, and your belief, that ” “liberal “secularism” (which ends up the idolatry of self, state, and science) has proven a weak reed on which to lean in the confrontation with Islam… ”
This is part of the reason why it is so difficult to get Muslims to abandon Islam – they believe their “idol” is not man-made, but the real God, whom they fear to disappoint. And he is not a god of freedom and love, but a god of control and submission to his will, so they choose to be on his side. Allah is all-merciful, but not for the abandonment of Islam.
When non-muslims (kafirs, unbelievers despised by Allah) try to convince them that Allah was man-made by Mohammad, it is difficult for them to accept.
A successful confrontation with Islam best not rest on a “man-made” alternative. So what alternatives are left for them ?
1. a different transcendent belief that they have faith was not man-made
2. atheism
3. agnosticism
Fred says
Islam defeats itself. There is no joy in Islam. Islam turns its followers into slaves. Look at the muslim majority countries, no one in their right mind wants to live in such a place. Muslims themselves search for freedom but are unable to free themselves from their ideology. Islam would have disappeared long ago if not for the fear of death spread by this ideology. Islam defeats itself. Wherever it goes humanity retreats. Islam festers like a sore but when attacked directly it is weak and unable to stand. Look at all the muslim armies they are grossly inferior to any modern states army.
Savvy Kafir says
It’s true that Islam weakens both societies and minds. But Islam does not defeat “itself”. That particular religion — the ideology itself — is extremely good at surviving & thriving & metastasizing — often at the expense of non-Muslims. And always at the expense of women, girls, reason, & sanity.
No Muzzies Here says
There is no need to defeat a religion, so Islam is not a religion! It’s a political system with references to a deity, leading some intellectually inept people to consider it a religion and to give it all the benefits that accrue to a religion.
joanofark06 says
Guess you can count me in as one of the “intellectually inept” people, that consider islam as a religion, AND many other things…
I just can’t help seeing it as a religion, as….there is a building that muslims go to, to learn about their so called “god” and/or “prophet”, and that is a “mosque”. (For christians, it’s called a “church”)
And they have a “holy” book, called a koran, that teaches them, everything they need to do, act, etc etc, throughout their daily lives (For christians, it’s called a “bible”)
And they have a “god” they worship, whereby, they “pray” to, ignorantly, 5 times a day. (For christians, this is Jesus Christ, or God, and we pray to Him once a day, or more when needed).
So the same things christians have, that call christianity a religion, muslims have, that call it their “religion”, of islam. And like I said, it’s more than that, but I, myself, believe it’s a religion too. With what I wrote above, I don’t see why some people are SO determined, to NOT call islam a religion!! And MORE!
Geoffrey Britain says
Islam is NOT a religion. It is a violently expansionist, totalitarian ideology that has wrapped itself within a facade of religious pretense. Islam however is a death cult and the proof of it is that Islam forces upon the infidel three choices; conversion, enslavement or death.
No other ‘religion’ promulgates that choice. No other ‘religion’ states that once Muslim, the mandatory penalty for rejecting Islam is death. No other ‘god’ celebrates the death of those who refuse to convert. That is the very definition of a death cult.
gravenimage says
Islam is both a religion–an evil religion–and a violent, supremacist political ideology. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Linde Barrera says
I love this article by Reverend Dr. Mateen Elass. Thank you for posting it. I am also praying for Robert Spencer, all Jihad Watch journalists, and all contributing commenters.
gravenimage says
+1
James Lincoln says
I had the pleasure of seeing John Fogerty play this song live when it first came out. He specifically pointed out that the song was not meant to be taken literally.
Still, lots of relevance regarding Islam / PC / Leftist-Marxism and the West.
And the importance of strong, smart leaders.
Gunslinger
John Fogerty
Lookin’ out ‘cross this town
Kinda makes me wonder how
All the things that made us great
Got left so far behind
This used to be a peaceful place
Decent folk’s, hard workin’ ways
Now they hide behind locked doors
Afraid to speak their mind
I think we need a gunslinger
Somebody tough to tame this town
I think we need a gunslinger
There’ll be justice all around
Someone let the fences go
Wild eyed bunch moved in, you know
Shootin’ up the streets, shoutin’ everybody down
The dogs all runnin’ loose
Wrecked the paper, closed the school
Tired old judge got roughed up too
No one left to make a stand
They whisper what’s the use
I think we need a gunslinger
Somebody tough to tame this town
I think we need a gunslinger
And there’ll be justice all around
I think we need a gunslinger
Somebody tough to tame this town
Think we need a gunslinger
And there’ll be justice all around
I think we need a gunslinger
Somebody tough to tame this town
I think we need a gunslinger
And there’ll be justice all around
Paine's Devotee says
Hey, don’t you realize that God chose all the Islamic heads of state as well as our own? (Romans 13:1-ff) To resist them is to resist God! Love your (Arabic) neighbor as yourself. Turn the other cheek. Do good unto them that persecute thee. Render unto Allah what is Allah’s. Don’t think that just because you’re God’s chosen people that he loves you in this world… think Egyptian Captivity, Assyrian Captivity, Roman occupation, etc. culminating in a Hitlerian holocaust (read Romans 13:1-ff over again.) If a jihadist asks you to walk one mile, walk two. If a jihadist asks you for your tunic, give him your cloak also. If you’re fined before the Mufti’s Sharia bench, pay more than what was asked… surely you good Christians must recognize the author of these Holy paraphrases.
gravenimage says
Paine’s Devotee is deliberately mischaracterizing Christianity here.
Ronyvo says
After reading many of the comments, I don’t know what to add.
In my opinion, based on living Islam for over 25 years, being FORCED to study the Koran & hadiths, I can summarize my opinion as follows:
1- The reason that Islam became so ‘powerful’ in numbers that is, is because it started in the ME where Arabs and pagans were ignorant and weak. So, the sword was enough to help the START of such evil and nonsense system. Oil financed the barbarism of that system and still is.
2 – Mohammad ONLY smart act was to insert the notion of religion in it, by creating Allah.
Islam is NOT a religion.
3- The reasons that Islam is increasing in numbers:
a) The utter ignorance of the West about Islam.
b) The oil revenue can buy anything including our Western media.
c) Our laws, which protecting ALL religions. That is why it is imperative to declare, some how, that Islam is not a religion.
d) The figure one Billion plus Muslims in the world is utterly wrong. The Muslims and their cowardice supporters add but not subtract. They add those who convert to Islam, but neglect to subtract the millions upon millions of Muslims who leave Islam mainly to Christ.
e) The Judeo-Christian faith is dwindling.
Yes, Islam can be defeated. As I keep mentioning ISLAM IS ON LIFE SUPPORT,
Raja says
Great work by Mateen Elass. I failed to read it before going through comments section.
Keep up the Good works…
Mixtli says
Great article Mateen, thank you for sharing here on JihadWatch! 🙂
Geoffrey Britain says
Here’s my two cents; Islamic terrorism reappeared in the 70s as Islam’s devout Imams and Mullahs correctly sensed that the modern world’s inadvertent cultural intrusion is a mortal threat to 7th century Islam. Islam cannot adapt or reform because to do so inescapably requires that Muhammad be declared to have either been a liar or deluded. In either case, Islam’s ‘theological’ foundations collapse.
Islam is NOT a religion. It is a violently expansionist, totalitarian ideology that wrapped itself within a facade of religious pretense.
Islam can be easily defeated.
It’s not the means that are lacking but the will to do so.
You gain leverage over an enemy by attaching to their aggression… what for them is intolerable consequence.
Consequence that can only be escaped by the ceasing of their aggression. Which will allow Islam “to slowly die on the vine” as the modern world’s cultural intrusion “puts the lie” to Islam’s pretensions.
Genocidal tactics are not necessary but if effective tactics continue to be rejected, the day will come when only genocidal tactics will be effective. The secular West cannot defeat Islam but if the West falls to Islam, China will employ genocidal tactics and the world will be dominated by China’s communism for millenia.
“Effective, non-genocidal tactics” rest upon using Muslim’s own beliefs against them. Deny paradise to them by rendering jihadists “unclean” and recruitment will plummet. Hold hostage the survival of Islam’s ‘holy sites’ to the ceasing of terrorism and an effective deterrent for the devout ‘radicals’ is established.
mateenelass says
Bob says
Jun 3, 2019 at 1:17 pm
Sorry ro interject here gentlemen (or ladies), but the bible HAS been proven wrong, with the Creation story. It is sheer poetry and absolutely beautiful, but it is inaccurate in how things came into being.
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That’s a bit like saying the account of the three little pigs has been proven wrong because we know that wolves can’t blow hard enough to knock anything over.
Every piece of writing must be judged on the basis of what kind of literature it is, and what it is attempting to convey. Interpretation must utilize the rules of writing which govern that type of literature. Hence, we do not read love letters the same way we read a scientific journal article or a philosophical essay (at least I hope not).
Genesis 1 and 2 were not written as scientific documents in a pre-scientific age. They were written as Scripture for the people of God, and as such their primary purpose is theological. Their intent is not to describe how things came into being but who brought them into being. Since the Jews (in distinction to the people groups around them) lived by the divinely appointed structure of the Sabbath — 6 days of labor, one day of rest — Genesis 1 makes clear that the God who created all that exists is the God of the Sabbath (creation in 6 days, resting on the seventh) — hence, the true God is none other than the God of Israel. Genesis 1 also demythologizes the idolatry of the surrounding nations — “Oh, you worship the sun as your god? You worship the moon? The beasts of the deep? The stars in the sky? Well, the truth is, the One True God, creator of all, the God of Israel, He created what you worship falsely. Don’t fixate on things in the creation. Turn your heart to the One who reigns above all created things….”
When judged according to its intended theological purpose, Genesis proclaims deep truth loud and clear. Any wrongness is to be found, not in what the texts intend to teach, but in the hearts and minds of those who try to apply them falsely to modern scientific, cosmological debates
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
I started to read this article but lost interest. First, the writer begins by implying that one of Islam’s strengths is its appeal to new converts. Nothing could be further from the truth. MOST new converts to Islam leave after a few years. Even the Muslims know this.
And then the writer starts up with an argument which I assume is and have often heard: to defeat Islam we need to return to our Christian/Godly/etc. roots (or some variant of it.) My eyes glazed over and I stopped reading.
I know this “back to God” approach won’t work because it has been attempted before. Back when Islam first came out of Arabia to attack the Christian Middle East, it was thought that these Saracens, as they were known then, were a punishment from God. He, it was believed, was angry at Christians for having strayed from his way. (Others believed it was the end of times and there was nothing they could about it.) Attempting to return to that “way” didn’t do them any good.
If they had seen the attacks for what they really were, an invasion, they would have had a fighting chance. If they had understood that this is nothing more than an invasion then they would have picked up their swords. The history of the world would have been completely different.
Then you ask, “how to defeat Islam then?” The answer is simple: knowledge. Islam is an ideology cloaked in layers of deception. In fact, deception is at its core. For the unbeliever (or any sane human being, for that matter), the more one knows about it, the more one dislikes it.
Education, education, education, education and more education. The more the world knows about the truths about Islam, the more the world is protected.
Last year, in a comment on this site, I propose a detailed program for de-Islamizing parts of the world where it does not belong. I re-post these points here:
We don’t have to remove all the Muslims from the Dar al Harb but we do need to make it very difficult for them to live here. And by difficult I do NOT mean that they should suffer violence or the threat of violence. Quite the opposite. They should have all the protection that others have:
1. a) We must educate all the citizens of the Dar al Harb to understand the true nature of Islam (its vile and violent directives to jihad in the Koran and the Sunnah, and the unvarnished life-story of Mohammad.)
1. b) All those who, even after learning about Islam, continue to support and enable it should be driven by legal means from influence and power. Dr. Bill Warner calls this, “fighting the near enemy.”
2. We also need to identify and closely watch every imam, Muslim teacher and Muslim political player. Their sermons, teaching and influence must be monitored. If any of these cross the line then DEPORT them to Dar al Islam where they belong.
3. We need to outlaw all Islamic investment in the Dar al Harb. This money always has strings attached to it.
4. Make it a requirement that if someone wishes to convert to Islam, they must register. Upon an interview with them, it might become clear to them that this is a mistake. (This has been very effective measure in Singapore.)
5. Pay them no benefits (other than to leave). Many countries only pay worker benefits if they have contributed into some kind of employment insurance plan. Implement that with them. Stop subsidizing their baby-making, non-working lifestyle.
6. Halt or control their religious schools. Easy to do since they rarely have the resources to teach a comprehensive curriculum.
In the presence of a truly knowledgeable citizenry and completely hobbled clerics many Muslims may apostatize and many more will … DEPORT themselves.
Outside of this program, it will take a long violent struggle to rid ourselves of Islam.
It took the Muslims only seven years to seize the Iberian peninsula and it took over 800 years to drive (with a great deal of violence) them out.
You choose.
mateenelass says
Julian the Apostate,
I’m a bit surprised you would take issue with my post after admitting that you were too bored to actually read it. It doesn’t surprise me at all, on the other hand, that you subsequently take me to task for a position I never voiced. My position is not a “back to God” call, in the sense that Christians have strayed from God and the encroaching Muslim world is God’s punishment on some imaginary Christendom.
I argue instead that a powerful worldview of hate (Islam) can best be overcome by an even stronger worldview of love (the message of the gospel), and that the most throrough neutralize a believing Muslim is to show him/her a greater truth to capture the soul.
The solution you propose is a direction that governing authorities can and perhaps should take. It may create a Muslim-free West (by and large), but it will not eliminate the threat of Islam in years to come, only isolate it as long as the West is strong enough to continue to monitor and resist Islam’s inherent mandate to advance and conquer.
A better way is to win the hearts and minds of Muslims to Christ. Muslim converts tend to be the most effective evangelists to then reach many of their extended family and friends with the gospel. Better than a conqueror is one who is “more than a conqueror” as Paul the Apostle once wrote. A conqueror takes captives. One who is more than a conqueror makes captives into allies for his cause.
You may ban a Muslim from your country, but as a Muslim he may stll seek ways to carry out the mandate of Islam to see your country become part of the ummah. But if that Muslim becomes a follower of Christ, you will never have to fear his intentions again.
I regret that you didn’t take time to wade through my article, but am not surprised given the moniker you have adopted for yourself. Perhaps we can agree that both the solution you proffer and the one I have put forward can work hand in hand to the common end of seeing Islam swept into the dustbin of history.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
I’m sorry for not taking the time to read through the entire article. But you did promise a solution and I was eager to see if something new was being offered. I would have been pleased to read a program, even if it had no new ideas in it but was comprehensive and implementable.
So I read the beginning. Seeing the general gist, I then scanned the rest to see if there were quotes from the gospels. I have so many times taken the time to read through reams and reams of writing that was well intentioned; advising people to turn the other cheek in the hope that a villain might have a change of heart. And this time I decided not to finish. But to my credit, I did confess to my sloth. Mea culpa.
But I did read your rebuttal in full and two lines do stand out:
“I argue instead that a powerful worldview of hate (Islam) can best be overcome by an even stronger worldview of love (the message of the gospel), and that the most throrough neutralize a believing Muslim is to show him/her a greater truth to capture the soul.”
and
“A better way is to win the hearts and minds of Muslims to Christ.”
I believe these two quotes summarize your article, if I dare to say. And if this is your thesis then my criticism still stands. As noble as these sentiments are, they do not present a practical program against such an ideology. Does this program help the Christians (or other religious minorities) in Africa and the Middle East? Well … the death toll there still rises. Did it, over the long run, help the ancient world adjacent to the Mediterranean? I don’t thinks so. (In fact, it may have hasten its demise.)
The gospels are good and have their great value, but lets take a look at another good book: the history book. And there I find a consistently useful tool, a practical tool: the well guarded border and the nation state.
And in regards to the infiltration of duplicitous hijrah Muslims (and their collaborators and enablers) into precincts of those well guarded borders , well … we can’t exactly adopt the tools indicated by those history books: the gallows and such. We are much too civilized for such measures. (Or perhaps Edward Gibbon was correct and we are again softened by Christian sentiments.) And this is where my program comes in. It deals with all those who have no business being within the Dar al Harb.
You’ll notice that my program never promises to completely eradicate Islam. It just isolates it. Isolates it so that it weakens and shrinks, and becomes less of threat to those guarded borders.
And I believe that even if it were possible to sweep Islam, “into the dustbin of history[,]” another like ideology would come along and take it’s place.
PS: Yes you could call me “apostate” but in this world of modern styled tolerance, I am more often called “lapsed.”
mateenelass says
Julian the Lapsed,
Thank you for your thoughtful arguments. You have correctly identified my summary statements. I can understand that you don’t think my solution practical, since you don’t travel in the same circles I do, and would not be aware of what is happening spiritually across the Muslim world with regard to response to the gospel among Muslims of most all ethnic groups. Mission work among Muslims was largely a lost cause for the first 1350 years of Islam’s existence, but for a variety of reasons ranging from spiritual to technological, since the mid-1970s the walls seem to be coming down and year after year increasing numbers of Muslims are leaving Islam to become followers of Christ. In all honesty, perhaps even more former Muslims are turning to atheism ( convinced that Islam is false, but still influenced by the Muslim idea that Islam is the final revelation of God — so if it turns out to be false, no other religion could be true). It’s hard to tally numbers precisely, but without question around the world Muslims in the low millions are turning to Christ annually, and even more declaring themselves atheists. The numbers could of course be much higher, since many of the disillusioned defect in place due to the very real threat of apostasy laws.
The role of national governments is crucial to prevent the spread of Islam, and you have outlined many practical actions that can/must be taken to isolate the Muslim world from its intended purpose of bringing all humanity under Shari’a. But the role of the Church is separate from that of the State, and in the end, if it is successful in its calling, it will bring about a much more permanent and satisfying solution.
Terra Nova says
Blue Raven is absolutely right, beware of the military industrial complex.
NWO with unselected leaders accountable only to themselves.
They are so “smart”, we will not do it like Hitler, but we will use fake trade arguments, dispute settlement mechanisme.
And no country has power any more.
Every news outlet is monitored by the Bilderberg group, the UN,EU, the group of Rome, etc.
The change in the banking system ” A legalised fraud now”
The world is run by the elite group and they want token it that way, they regulate the “depressions”, and depressions do not affect them at all, that is a lie. They are laughing their heads of.
Today Banks lend out the same amount of money 20 times and collect 20 times all the 8% interest from the same money.
It has to be wiped out from the bottom up by the new young people.
Political leaders are in it t
Eric Jones says
Yes Islam can be defeated.!The first thing is to expose the fact that Islam is a political system masquerading as a religion. Second Christians must be firm in our faith. We must look to Christ for guidance and not look to men or what is popular.
Eric
gravenimage says
Islam was isolated for the better part of two centuries, and we were largely safe from Jihad in the West during this period.
Then many in the West foolishly forgot the threat of Islam, and allowed Muslims to flood into our civilized nations. We have to halt Muslim immigration first of all. Steps have been taken in Eastern Europe, Italy, Australia, and the US–and the recent elections in Europe look heartening.
More people do seem to be waking up to the threat of Islam. I hope we see much more.
Demsci says
For what it is worth; what IS the perspective of Muslims themselves? They seem by and large to think that “Time is on their side” and that patiënce will win them “empires” or increasing power.
They seem little perturbed by “Global Warming” but their leftist allies are. Will they always keep their now de facto alliance with the leftists? We, counterjihadists, conservatives, can try and hope to sever that unnatural alliance. We can try to get at least homosexuals, like Pete Buttigieg, to come over to our side.
then there is the theoretical threat that somehow Artificial Intelligence takes over. or perhaps those who control it, maybe anti-Islamic China, who knows. But would it not be ironic that just as Islam is beginning to reap the fruits of Jihad, global dominance is snatched by a third party?
And if anything the rate of technical change is accelerating. Can Muslims trust that other Muslims stay on top? There is the big risk of anti-muslims seizing totalitarian supremacy.
Are the Muslims not better off with allying themselves with the Western Democratic System that treats them in a much better way than the totalitarian Chinese or other despotic regimes?
And finally; how much time can there be? If global warming is true? Also some scientists tell us that the Earth has been hit by meteorites quite often and with catastrophic results. And that according to (geo)logic even a new ICE-age, which would devastate so many countries, is geologically speaking right around the corner.
I think we can tell Muslims; “time is not on your side, and your patience-jihad is a mistake. You better make peace with the democratic infidels or ditch your untrue, uneffective “religion” altogether.
Demsci says
And of course there is this ominous question when will the first nuclear war break out? And after that there will be survivors, but if the Muslims are on top then? Very improbable.
simpleton1 says
Thanks to MATEEN ELASS and also to the many commentators.
Over 10 years or more knowledge of islam has increased, as also opposition.
So we must keep learning and spreading the information where ever we can.
Know our selves, and know our enemy.
An interesting article By Amil Imani|June 3rd, 2019
For me it does not matter if muslims end up following “people of the book, Jews and Christians, become Buddhists, Hindus, Zoroastrians, Agnostics, Atheists, etc. but pack in Mohammad.
G179 says
I personally believe secular humanism has better chances in the long run, as you can not argue logically for a religion, so the argument may continue forever. If I believe in scripture X and you believe in scripture Y, how can we decide?
On the other hand, in our technologically and scientifically advanced times, people can see things that they could not see in previous centuries. You don’t have to pray to a deity to protect you from the elements, you have technology. You have modern values of equality, democracy, compassion, social help etc. .
Basically your state, technology, education & culture cover all the needs once filled by religion.
Every religion, philosophy or world perception is OK as long as it is compatible with western values and laws.
The problem is that western society is corrupt with enablers of hate and violence. This need to be changed and more people need to wake up.
Walter Sieruk says
As for the question “Can Islam be defeated ? That a very good question as well as a difficult one to answer. Islam can’t be defeated by a good college education .as some naive people believe. For many Muslims as in both violent jihadist Muslim and non-violent Muslims have a high education.
So about another question may be posed ,which is “Can Islam be exposed for what is really is ? the answer tio that is “Yes” yet first it’s important to define what Islam is before it can be thoroughly exposed.
Therefore the following both defines and exposed Islam .
Of the many ways Islam may be described, one of them is that a religion of denial. Meaning that Islam denies that Jesus is the Son of God. As in the Son of God Who is God the Father. Furthermore, Islam denies the Jesus is God the Son. In addition, Islam denies that Jesus is God.
Before going over these three denials of Islam it first should the stated the Bible instructs the way to tell if a prophet or religious teacher is really from and of God or not is do the teachings and doctrines of that prophet of teacher really fit in accord what is found in the Bible ? For if that prophet or teachers and teachers doctrines that are in contradiction to the Bible then that prophet is a false prophet and that religious teacher is a false teacher and thus in doctrinal error and darkness. Likewise if a religion had teachings and doctrines that are in contradiction that is religion is in error also part of the world of darkness and is therefore a false religion. As the Bible instructs in Isaiah 8:20. “To the law of the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” [K.J.V.] With this clearly stated, three things should be known.
First, that Islam denial that Jesus is the Son of God is in great contradiction to the teaching of the Bible . Which reveals the Jesus is the Son of God? As seen in ,for example Matthew 3:16,17. 16:15,16. Luke 1:35. John 3:16-18, 36. First John 2:22,23. 4:14,15. 5:12,13. Second, that Islam denies that Jesus is God the Son is in strong contradiction to the Bible. As found in Hebrews 1:6-8. With emphasis on verse 8. Third, Islam’s denial that Jesus is God is in great contrast to the doctrine and teaching of the Bible. That Jesus is God may be found in ,for example, John 1:1;3. Colossians 1:15-17. 2:9. Romans 9:5 Second Peter 1:1. Titus 2:13. First John 5:20.
Second, to further discover that the Bible teachings that Jesus is God all a person has to do is to compare the Old Testament with New Testament to see that Jesus is God. As in comparing Isaiah 45:22,23. with Philippians 2:5-11. Also by comparing Psalm 89:8,9. with Mathew 8:23-27. will reveal that Jesus is God. Likewise , by comparing Psalm 62:5-7 . with First Corinthians 10:4. shows the Deity of Jesus. Even by comparing the News Testament books together will show that Jesus is God. As in comparing Romans 14:12. with John 5:22. will show Jesus to be God. The list can go on but this should be enough, for all who are willing to see the truth , that Jesus is, indeed, the Son of God. That Jesus is God the Son and that Jesus is God.
The imams and mullahs as well as the other apologists for Islam will try to “explain’ this all away by making the claim that the Bible had been corrupted by Christians ,through time, and that’s way the Bible reads as it does. This claim, very much, underestimate the Power of God to protect and preserve His Word ,through time , and to keep in intact and away from the corruption of men. In conclusion, in light and information of the Bible in can be seen that Islam is a awful and terrible doctrinal error concerning it teaching about the Nature of Jesus and therefore Islam is part of the world of darkness. So Islam with its strong contradictions to the Bible is a false religion, Proverbs 14:12. So all dear Muslims are thus invited to leave the false religion of Islam and come the and receive the Jesus of the Bible who is the only way to heaven ,John 14:6. and the True Light of the world. John 8:12.
In addition to all this there is the Christian internet site which replies to the many different claims made by the apologists for Islam. It’s http://www.answering-islam.org
Wellington says
Very interesting thread. This much I know and that is that Islam cannot be defeated if Western Leftism is not also defeated. The two are tied at the hip because they both detest freedom and are authoritarian, actually totalitarian. Of course, if both stick around they will begin to devour one another (my bet would be on Islam here) but before this occurs both will continue to do much damage to the West.
What is imperative for success against both Islam and Leftism is for freedom, common sense and decency to survive (patriotism would be very helpful too). These imperatives can be achieved via the Judeo-Christian tradition and ethic or by humanistic reasoning at its best which has nothing in common with the foolishness of Leftism. Ancillary aid could come from other non-Western religions like Hinduism, Sikhism and Buddhism even though they only function in minority status in the West.
There is also the matter of decay from within. Reagan accelerated the demise of the Soviet Union as Alexander Bessmertnykh, Foreign Affairs Minister under Gorbachev, himself noted because of Reagan’s defense build-up and SDI program (which was stupidly mocked in the West but deeply worried the Soviets) but the Soviet Union also fell because it was rotten inside, just as Islam and Leftism are.
Verdict still out, but the oppressiveness and incoherence of both Islam and Leftism work against them from the inside while freedom, common sense and decency can pressure these two aberrancies from the outside. I remain cautiously optimistic that this will occur.
Demsci says
Very good post, Wellington. To form a rounded opinion about the problem and possible goal and strategy to remain free in the West. Despite Islam. And even more despite the “maddening madness is blindness of the Left”.
If one were an older citizen and looked at the big picture and also one did accept that one’s “descendants and successors” would go through a catharsis of Islam-takeover, to a new totalitarianism and dysfunctional society,
then one could reason that after the abyss a new, maybe even better society would arise, after much strife. But not in one’s lifetime. A bit like the downfall of Roman Britain. Yes, after that Great Britain became “much better”, but that was of small comfort to the contemporaneous people.
Maybe almost of necessity a considerable part of the West may fall to the leftists and Muslims and then to the Muslims.
But a substantial part may survive in the original Western Democratic status, albeit under threat, from the Muslims and China perhaps. But to these survivor nations the now disillusioned leftists and new generations of Westerners might flee.
And these nations will not allow any Muslims in or even staying in. From there the growth back hopefully will begin. Chinese or Muslim hegemony cannot become complete, I think. And yes, the 2 will be antagonistic. In this scenario of mine. In sync with Wellington’s description of the Islam-leftist problem with addition of Chinese threat. I hope I am clear enough, though of necessity succinct. And tI too remain cautiously optimistic. In the long run of the 21 st century. Just not in the sense that the West will survive totally SCOTTFREE.
Wellington says
Thanks for your reply, Demsci, and, yes, I think we are very much in agreement (again).
CTTV15@Hotmail.com says
Not in Minnesota apparently..
Denial is a powerful collective sickness here..
Minnesota embarrasses itself AGAIN – NATIONALLY!
…Ok Thomas L, Friedman, per the NYT Opinion page, here IS THE TRUTH..
Please feel free to read something that is not a piece of, nor connected to, the propaganda mush producing machine between your ears, and on your laptop (‘President Trump, Come to Willmar’..)
Article: ‘President Trump, Come to Willmar’? See the attachment..
How about, Mr. Friedman, Come to Minneapolis?
How about if you and your family (wife – daughters – nieces – mother perhaps) come back to Minnesota, and the Cedar-Riverside area of Minneapolis, known as ‘Little Mogadishu’, on a late Spring or Summer Friday or Saturday NIGHT, and take an evening stroll with you and your family, dressed in average American ‘street clothing’.
Since you are likely Jewish yourself, perhaps your wearing a Yarmulke might be a nice touch..
Please stroll into the stores and shops. Sit around on the park benches.. Just have some social fun..
Spend a couple of hours doing this, without a security detail, or the Minneapolis PD there to protect you and your family, and then, share your experience with the rest of the world, and I might have some modicum of respect for you..
Absent that much of an honest effort on your part, and in the meantime, please do not – as they say – ‘pee down my leg, and tell (write) me it’s raining’ sir..
This is not anything close to the Minneapolis (or greater Minnesota) I moved to over 45 years ago. Not even close.. This is an extremely dangerous place now..
How, about, Mr. Friedman, coming to your senses?
How about, Mr. Friedman, coming back to reality?
How about ‘The Truth’ Mr. Friedman..
Congratulations & thanks to the author here, Sunny Lohman..
The only missing real-time significant piece of this devolving and metastasizing disaster that Mr. Lohman missed, is that our Minnesota Legislature just gave the Somali ‘community’, ONLY, another ‘tribute’ payment of 8 Minnesota Million Taxpayer Dollars (‘The Somali Bills’) of ‘Jizya’ (protection payment & ‘pay for play votes’) courtesy of Minnesota Taxpayers (unconstitutional allocation of taxpayer assets to a specific ‘religion’ – ‘nationality’ – ‘immigrant group’), atop the 2 Million Dollars given to this ‘group’ in 2016.
THANK YOU Sunny! See Below:
‘Welcome to OUR Minnesota Nightmare America’..
June 3, 2019
Somalis have Changed Minneapolis
By Sunny Lohman
Everyone not lying to themselves predicted when the federal government under Bill Clinton – aided and abetted by Lutheran Social Services, Catholic Charities and World Relief Minnesota — plopped 30,000 Somalis down into the midst of the kind, virtue-signaling, eager-to-help Midwesterners of Minneapolis (of which I am one) that it would lead to some grave consequences for our community.
Now, due to continuing refugee placements as well as chain migration there are an estimated 80,000 Somalis living in the Twin Cities metro area, or more like 79,000 if you subtract those who’ve left the country to join terrorist organizations like ISIS.
Anyhoo, here’s a week Minneapolitans had with their Somali neighbors last month:
On Wednesday, May 15th a couple of University students were attacked on campus at the East Bank Train station by two Somali thugs. It was an attempted robbery that the guys rebuffed sustaining injuries that required a hospital visit.
On Thursday, May 16th two Somalis burned down the pavilion at Lake Calhoun [or Lake Bde Maka Ska if you’re a virtue signaler) an eating and hanging out meeting place in the heart of the city enjoyed by generations of Americans around the prettiest city lake you’ve ever seen. This is in the most expensive neighborhood in Minneapolis.
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On Friday, May 17th a gang of 10-12 Somali youths attacked all the white people at that same East Bank Train station with hammers and pipes. Snopes says this is “Mostly False” because after the attack they fled, and out of the 7 who were eventually apprehended only two were still in possession of weapons, in this case pipes. So therefore, it never happened.
And now Tuesday, May 20th a woman walking her dog in a gorgeous, huge, wooded off leash dog park, complete with sandy beach on the Mississippi River, found spikes just off the path. Sharp metal objects taped to a wooden spike, presumably designed to hurt dogs running happily through the underbrush. Now, we don’t know that a Somali did that, it could be some crazed psycho Swede, but Islam abhors dogs as unclean because the prophet did.
Will this cause anything to change in Minnesota? Will the city’s leaders stopwearing the hijab in solidarity with the worst of Islam, incredibly, after they attack us!? Will Minneapolitans elect secular, assimilated Somalis rather than proudly Sharia- supporting, anti-Semitic, enshrouded Somali Muslims like Ilhan Omar? (80% of Democrats picked her in the primary.) I doubt it. They did all thatafter the following events:
· In 2018 it was uncovered that Somalis had perpetrated a massive, community wide scam against the welfare state of Minnesota, stealing an incredible $100 million from a childcare handout program by fraud and shipping that money to Somalia to fund God knows what. (Incidentally, though finally proven in 2018, this was an open secret for years. I knew about this scam when I left the state in 2014.)
· Dozens of Somalis, men and women, over the years arrested or tracked as they attempted to join terrorists overseas including ISIS. The feds are concerned it is still a rich breeding ground for Islamic supremacy and terrorist organizations.
· In 2016 the first Somali police officer murdered a woman in her pajamas who had called in a disturbance. I guess it’s not safe to call the cops when you see something and say something. He has been found guilty of that murder.
· In 2018 a Somali student at St Catherine University attempted to burn downthe school and “hurt people,” saying, ““You guys are lucky that I don’t know how to build a bomb because I would have done that.”
· In 2017 a Somali man stabbed a young woman 14 times for no apparent reason — he didn’t go after her purse — while she was walking home from her job at an Apple Store. He’s still at large. Curiously no composite sketch was ever released to the media.
· In 2016 during Ramadan a gang of religious robed Somali men terrorized the city’s affluent Linden Hills community “for three straight days, threatening to rape a woman, beating one resident’s dog, and shouting “jihad!” as they drove vehicles over residents’ lawns and pretended to shoot people through their duffel bags. No arrests were made.” (Seriously read this account. You will find it absolutely horrifying and it’s shocking that no arrests were made with all these people trying to get license plate numbers, all the likely surveillance cameras etc. It makes one wonder if the city is protecting Somalis from being held accountable to our laws.)
· In 2012 90% of Somalis worldwide said they think they agree with Sharia Law and think it should be implemented.
But Ilhan Omar wears such pretty head scarves when she’s raising money for the Muslim Brotherhood.
I’m not sure what it would take for Minneapolitans to wake up and stop being so suicidal with their multiculturalism. Terrorism, arson, violent crime, murder, corruption, fraud, female oppression is apparently not enough.
Truth Triumps says
If Catching Fish through Hooks using Bait camn be stopped Islam also can be Defeated. So long as Fish is not able to Realise, Bait is a Trap, it will get caught in the Hook. In the sameway, so long as people don’t realise, the Sex Den of 72 Hoories and Rivers of Wine are Only Befooling Trap, Islam will grow.
Truth Triumps says
Why Islam Hate Jews? At the Time of Birth and Initial Period of Growth, Jews was a Rich Community. To Loot and Snatch their Possessions and Belongings, Jew Hatred was taught with Fabricated Reasons.
Surprisingly, even on taday, the Hatred is being Practiced by the Self Claimed Supremacists.
What does this show? Wonderful Supremacistism!!!!!
gravenimage says
This is certainly a big part of it.
It also appears that Muhammed thought that Jews would flock to a new “prophet”–himself–and he was enraged when they did not.
Jeremiah says
Turn to God. Don’t support Halal products. Love other Christians. Walk away from the United Nations. Stop being politically correct.
Truth Triumps says
Muhammad was predicted 5000 Years ago, in Bhavishya Purana by Great Hindu Sage (Prophet) Vyas.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/muhammad-predicted-in-bhavishya-purana/
Muhammad Predicted in Bhavishya Purana
[The Concluding Para is quoted below].
Thus, from the interpretations of the present editions of the Bhavishya Purana that are available, it seems to say there was someone named Mahamada that King Bhojaraja met in the desert, who was supposedly a reappearance of the Tripura demon, who would start his own religion for those mlecchas who are unable to follow the spiritual codes of the deeper aspects of spiritual culture, or Vedic Dharma, and who would also spread adharma, or that religion that would be opposed to Vedic Dharma. Plus, Mahamada knew and accepted the depth of the Vedic spiritual path and admitted to its superiority. But is Mahamada really Prophet Mohammed?