“Chinese Communist Party leader Xi Jinping and Russian President Vladimir Putin expressed solidarity with Iran…even as the U.S. Navy revealed evidence the Iranians were behind the terrorist attack on two oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman.”
The two oil tankers were Japanese and Norwegian. The U.S. military released a video it says “shows Iran’s Revolutionary Guard taking an unexploded mine from the hull of one of two oil tankers attacked in the Gulf of Oman.” Tehran’s usual response was denial, and it also accused the U.S. of “waging an “Iranophobic campaign.”
Now China and Russia have come out to express solidarity with Iran. But while Iran enthusiastically views that support as rebellion against its infidel enemy America and an opportunity to encourage further “resistance” against “the Great Satan” America, there is more worth noting that underlies the appearance of China-Russia support for Iran.
Briefly: China has a gripe with America because of its current trade war with Trump, who has raised tariffs on Chinese imports up to 25% and is ready to slap more tariffs on China after the upcoming G-20 Summit. Trump’s issues with China have everything to do with the latter’s ongoing dirty business in violation of its World Trade Organization membership. The U.S. “is seeking sweeping changes, including an end to forced technology transfers and theft of U.S. trade secrets. It also wants curbs on subsidies for Chinese state-owned enterprises and better access for U.S. firms in Chinese markets.” Given the pressure mounting on China from its trade war with the U.S., it’s little wonder that China will pledge support for Iran. China also has close energy and business ties with Iran and Iran’s Revolutionary Guards have threatened to close the Strait of Hormuz — “the strategic waterway, through which a significant part of the world’s oil supply flows.”
Iran has also been heavily courting Russia, even sucking up to Russia. While on a recent visit to Moscow, Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif said that “Iran and Russia have never been this close in the past few decades,” and that “Iran differentiated between the JCPOA signatories and would never forget Russia’s support.”
While Iran continues its primary jihadi resistance against “Great Satan” America (and “Little Satan” Israel), China and Russia (two infidel countries) have separate ambitions, which are obviously not intended to serve Iran, but their own interests.
Russia has so far displayed no enthusiasm to partner with Iran on its terms. Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov only said with reference to America concerning the oil tanker attack: “I would take the opportunity to warn against hasty conclusions, against attempts to lay the blame at the door of those we don’t like.” In fact, the American sanctions against Iran has helped increase Russia’s market-share of oil. Saudi Arabia also plans to invest billions in Russian petroleum and other projects.
In America’s strategic favor also is that China, too, has been courting Saudi Arabia. The two countries recently met to boost bilateral ties in developing energy and infrastructure. Back in February, Saudi Arabia signed a $28 billion economic deal with China, forcing the latter into an ally juggling act, given that Saudi Arabia and Iran are mortal enemies; Saudi Arabia and America have also forged closer ties under the Trump administration.
Iran’s noisy celebration of Russia-China support and its attempts to bring the two countries under a unified “resistance” against America is highly questionable.
“China and Russia Stand up for Iran After Gulf Tanker Attacks,” by John Hayward, Breitbart, June 14, 2019:
Chinese Communist Party leader Xi Jinping and Russian President Vladimir Putin expressed solidarity with Iran on Friday, even as the U.S. Navy revealed evidence the Iranians were behind the terrorist attack on two oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman.
“The pressures that the US government imposes on Iran and China and other countries are aimed at dominating the whole of Asia and the world,” Iranian President Hassan Rouhani said after meeting with Xi on the sidelines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization summit in Kyrgyzstan.
Rouhani called for China to cooperate with Iran on resistance against “American unilateralism” and portrayed Iran as heroically resisting the pressure from U.S. sanctions.
“The Iranian people have shown that they are not shaken by the foreign pressures, but become more united and more resistant,” Rouhani said.
China’s state-run Xinhua news service summarized Xi’s response:
China has always viewed its relations with Iran from a strategic and long-term perspective, said Xi, adding that despite changes in regional and international situations, the Chinese side is willing to join hands with the Iranian side in fostering a continuous and steady development of the China-Iran comprehensive strategic partnership.
The Chinese president called on the two sides to strengthen strategic communication and support each other on issues concerning their respective core interests, adding that the two countries also need to step up coordination and conduct practical cooperation properly.
He also urged the two sides to enhance cooperation in such areas as anti-terrorism and combating cross-border crimes, and jointly clamp down the “three forces” of terrorism, separatism, and extremism, including East Turkistan Islamic Movement.
China supports maintaining the Iran nuclear deal, said Xi, and is willing to step up coordination with Iran within such multilateral frameworks as the United Nations and the SCO to jointly safeguard basic norms of international relations and multilateralism and preserve shared interests of developing countries, including China and Iran.
Rouhani also spoke with Russian President Vladimir Putin at the Kyrgyzstan summit, urging closer cooperation to resist “external pressure and foreign sanctions.”
“The situation in the region requires stronger interaction between our nations,” Rouhani told Putin….
Buraq says
Machiavelli, the Chinese and the Russians have a lot in common. These disgruntled crooks support Iran because it suits them, for the moment. But if Uncle Sam starts throwing his considerable weight around, they will deny supporting Iran before the cock crows three times! Believe me! They are clowns!
christianblood says
Why should China and Russia believe in a baseless malicious propaganda against Iran by the US regime? The whole thing is a set up, a false flag carried out by the CIA and its proxies in the region to demonize Iran. It is the same scenario like the Saddam’s WMD or other false flag interventions like that of Syria, Libya, former Yugoslavia, etc.
Rick Sanchez puts it well on the video clip below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZLIb6xcyeg
christianblood says
Rick Sanchez discusses US regime’s long expertise on setting up false flag sabotages:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH8U1hBgzls
Kessler says
Yes Christianblood – it’s fake just like 9-11, right?
gravenimage says
Jim Jatras has said that designating Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps as a terrorist organization is itself terrorism.
This is where christianblood is…
Naildriver says
Both Russia and China historically are preposterous lying machines, particularly Russia during the Cold War. They know full well the USA is factual in this account of events; and they rather should really should seek the USA’s alliance in coming to some agreement to end Islam’s progress, once and for all — it would be in their interests, and then get back to the bickering.
Christianblood says
Naildriver
What is the US doing thousands of miles away from home at Chinese and Russia’s borders?
kuriakose says
christianblood: The assertion that Iran had a hand in the tankers is certainly one that needs scrutiny. Why would anyone believe the neocons in the US, who are nothing but the NWO puppets? They are as adept at taqiyya as the muhamedans.
The people of Iran are the losers, first when islam overran their land and imposed an evil cult on them. Then when the Ottoman Empire fell, and the colonialists entered the Middle East, there would have been hope for them as many became exposed to western education and the hope of a better life without the yoke of islam. But the colonialists were not interested in giving them a better life, on the contrary, they were looking for spoils at a great profit.
In 1872 British Baron Julius du Reuter was granted an exclusive 50-year mining and communications concession in Persia by that country’s Peacock Throne monarchy. By 1921 the British government had installed Shah Mohammed Reza Khan in a palace coup. With their puppet in place, du Reuter’s firm, (becoming BP) one of the British Empire’s most important tentacles, busied itself exploiting the rich oil reserves in what is now known as Iran.
With their puppet in place, du Reuter’s firm, one of the British Empire’s most important tentacles, busied itself exploiting the rich oil reserves in what is now known as Iran. Prior to WWII du Reuter’s BP dominated the Persian oil patch. Following the war Britain dumped its puppet Shah in favor of his yet more pliable son Shah Reza Pahlevi, whose Nazi sympathies were less overt. The big US oil firms entered, cutting deals with the Shah. By 1943 the US had established a military command in Iran and signed the Tehran Agreement, cutting the US half of the Four Horsemen a generous slice of the Iranian oil pie. [2]
Iran was coveted for its expansive reserves of crude and remains the most geopolitically strategic Middle Eastern nation, bordering both the unprecedented Persian Gulf oilfields to the south and the vast, largely untapped Caspian Sea crude reserves to the north.
American firms flooded Iran, selling miltary hardware, technology, even wheat. The Shah was easily corrupted by all this riches and pretty much gave carte blanche to American and Western globalists. The SAVAK (secret police) was trained by the CIA, MI6 and Mossad in all kinds of repressive techniques. And saddest of all was the overthrow of Mossadegh, the popular PM, who, because he nationalised the oil industry, was enemy no 1 in the eyes of the Big oil men.
See https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/20/64-years-later-cia-finally-releases-details-of-iranian-coup-iran-tehran-oil/ ( 64 Years Later, CIA Finally Releases Details of Iranian Coup).
This is what gave the ayatollahs the opportunity to fill in the vacuum and promise the Iranians the better life with them in power.
In the end, the best-laid US military schemes failed and Ayatollah Khomeini and his mullahs filled the power vacuum before the CIA could. But to the CIA’s mind it could have been much worse. The Company far preferred the Islamic fundamentalists to the Arab nationalists represented by the Tudeh, Fedayeen and Mujahadeen Parties in Iran.
Within a few years of the Iranian Revolution, the CIA was helping Ayatollah Khomeini identify nationalist leaders so he could target leftists who had formed the Committee of 60, which led the Iranian revolution. In 1983 the CIA and British MI6 supplied a long list of Tudeh Party members to Khomeini. The Ayatollah unleashed a reign of terror against the left; assassinating, torturing and imprisoning over 10,000 Tudeh members and supporters. In 1989 many of those imprisoned were sentenced to death.
The Israelis courted the mullahs as well. Throughout the 1980’s Israeli pilots trained their Iranian counterparts on F-4 Phantom fighter planes at secret bases in Germany. Mossad continued to fund and arm Barzani’s PUK Kurd faction in their covert war against Iraq. As recently as 2002 German Customs officials seized an Israeli shipment of weapons bound for Iran.
There are so many crocodile tears being shed for the Iranian people, but an unwillingness to look at what their shadowy governments were doing and are still doing. Nothing happens in a vacuum. Betraying the Iranian people by first inflicting the Shah on them, which created the atmosphere right for the ayatollahs to step in. Iranians under Mossadegh could have charted a different destiny.
https://consortiumnews.com/2013/02/24/waking-up-to-irans-real-history-2/
William O Douglas, US Supreme court judge (1898-1980), was a great admirer and supporter- of Mossadegh – ‘ …a great Persian hero…who should be respected and supported. See http://www.mohammadmossadegh.com/news/william-o-douglas/
But what do the globalists/NWO in control of the US and the West care about such people? They only want a compliant dictator, no matter how vile, or how islamist, as long he does their bidding. Why, they will happily deal with the ayatollahs if they make deals with them. Under Mossadegh, who was no islamist in any sense of the word, the Iranians might have charted a different destiny.
You can see how accomodating they are to the Saudis, they are compliant and do not rock the NWO agenda. Never mind all the jihadi attacks that could be sourced to sunni islam.
This is in NO WAY trying to exonerate the ayatollahs, it is the people of Iran who are the ones who suffer always.
Our enemies are both the islamists and the NWO. For those of us who are Christians, it is easy to see that the devil has many weapons against Christianity. The ones who worship allah, the god who needs human sacrifice, and other godless ones who worship money and power. The gobalist NWO are extremely smart, and they are able to manipulate all the disparate forces that are in opposition to the kingdom of Christ.
Christianblood says
kuriakose posted
(..The assertion that Iran had a hand in the tankers is certainly one that needs scrutiny. Why would anyone believe the neocons in the US, who are nothing but the NWO puppets? They are as adept at taqiyya as the muhamedans..)
Great points, Kuriakose!
You are absolutely right in all your points! The Iranian revolution is indeed made in the US:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyHpVZoMIbc
Angemon says
christianblood posted:
“The Iranian revolution is indeed made in the US”
Are you talking about the revolution that brought forth the current regime you praise so much? Shouldn’t you perceive your claim, false as it is, as a good thing? Why is it that on one hand you defend the genocidal, Christian-murdering, Iranian regime while on the other you blame the US for the existence of said regime?
Avenger says
Excellent post Kuriakose. This is precisely how the US State Dept does business in the ME.
The US lied about WND’s in Iraq, gas attacks in Syria by the Assad government, the financial and military backing of Sunni terrorists in Syria and Iraq and lets not forget about the Florence Nightingale like White Hats.
gravenimage says
christianblood has said this before–both that the ‘filthy West’ is to blame for the Islamic Republic of Iran–that Islam had nothing to do with the Islamic revolution–*and* that the Mullahs are to be praised for their resistance to American values, even when that includes hanging gay people and stoning women to death.
And I see that his sidekick kuriakose is now blaming the West for the Mullahs liquidating their Communist allies as soon as they consolidated their power–even though this is what Muslims *always* do when they gain power.
And Avenger joins in. Surely Benedict would be doing the same, screaming that the West needs to force women into Burqas, but he’s since been banned.
gravenimage says
Good questions, Angemon–and good to see you posting again.
Christianblood says
Avenger
Good to hear your voice, Avenger!
U$A is basically a mafia state!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Skyw2TH29s
Angemon says
Hey, CB, you never answered my question: are you still living in a Western nation?
gravenimage says
christianblood keeps spamming this thing from a 9/11 Truther.
Mac-101 says
One of the strangest things about the Hate the Democrats have for Trump is that they pushed Russia into the Chi-Coms instead of allowing Trump to work at gittin them to integrate into Europe.
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Was this due to the Democrats hatred for Trump and America, or their LOVE of Red China? They sure took enough of the Russians money!
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You can bet the Globalist have a reason for this!
Indiana Tom says
Ask McConnell, he is tight with China.
Mac-101 says
Yup, he got a hot Chinese Bride and 25 million. What a deal for an ole turtle!
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The Uni-Party Lives! Where are the indictments for the KNOWN crimes of the previous administration? Where are the Senate Hearings?
Kepha says
Elaine Chao was born in Taiwan to parents who left the Mainland due to mistrust of the Communists.
Indiana Tom says
Elaine Chao and her parents are combined at the hip with Xi Ping.
Mac-101 says
Kepha, As Indiana says, it is alleged that Chao’s ole man does billion dollar deals with the Red Chinese in Shippin, Who is the Transportation Secretary NOW? . McConnell went from bein an American FIrster to supporting massive Chi-Com importation into the USA and the destruction of our Manufacturing base. Of course he’s worth a hundred million or two by now! Scumbag Traitor!
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McConnell is a Globalist Stooge who has ben blockin Trump from day ONE. The head of the other side of da Uni-Party!
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Don’t even bother listening to what they say, only look at what they do and the end results. Goes for dat Scumbag Graham too! Look at Sessions. What a deep sleeper he turned out to be for da DEEP STATE! DA Worm, Justice Roberts,Turned when THEY needed him too!
Mac-101 says
Kepha, I just thought of this. The Kuomintang (KMT or GMD), comprised of mostly main land Chinese refugees and their decedents control most of the wealth of Taiwan. About ten years ago they were trying to sell out Taiwan Independence for more Chi-Co contracts. Kinda like Hong Kong Elites tried to just do. The Formosan people arose in both cases to stop it. So there is a Freedom lovin segment of people in Asia. They know what it is like to be a Chi-Com peasant and want no part of it!
Lydia Church says
I’ve been getting one of those ‘feelings’ about this one… since the tensions erupted…
Paul N Silas says
Communism has killed 100 million and counting/Islam has killed 250 million and counting. Two of Satan’s killing machines getting chummy ,… GO FIGURE? A match made in hell!!!!!
Watch for the number of both to increase.
Christianblood says
Paul N Silas
The US (BULLY) invaded and bombed close to 40 small, defenseless countries killing over 20 million of people since 1945! This aggression is unmatched in world history!
https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-killed-more-than-20-million-people-in-37-victim-nations-since-world-war-ii/5492051
kuriakose says
Yes, completely ignore what the US has done and focus on Russia and China. But then, I suppose what the US does is always justifiable to many Americans. Nobody is saying the Russians and Chinese are angels, but then your US is not one either.
Iran had a pitiful history after the arab muslims invaded them and took over their land. And in spite of the muslim yoke, many Iranians still managed to bring out creative works,
The colonialists entered the Middle East not to save the Christians and other minorities from persecution, but to enrich themselves, eg
In 1872 Baron Julius du Reuter was granted his 50-year concession in Iran. In 1914 the British government took control of his Anglo-Persian Company renamed it British Petroleum. Britain’s House of Windsor controls a large stake in BP Amoco.
On May 15, 1911 the US Supreme Court declared, “Seven men and a corporate machine have conspired against their fellow citizens. For the safety of the Republic we now decree that this dangerous conspiracy must be ended by November 15th”. [260] The breakup of Standard Oil increased the wealth of the Rockefeller family who retained 25% interest in each new company.
Now they have reformed into just Exxon Mobil, Chevron Texaco, BP Amoco and Royal Dutch/Shell
and are nothing but a cartel. It is sad to see that once, the US was governed by men and women of integrity, but subsequent presidents have weakened the system and seem to be controlled by these oil and banking cartels.
The British then dumped the Shah in favour of his more pliable son, Reza Pahlavi.
After WW2, the people of Iran grew increasingly hostile to the Shah, as they saw him as just a puppet of the US and western oil cartels. The PM, Mossadegh, who first campaigned against Soviet occupation of northern Iran, became a vocal critic of Four Horsemen control over Iranian oil. He soon announced plans to nationalize BP interests in Iran. BP responded by organizing an international boycott of Iranian crude and called on two long-time associates for more drastic measures. Then as we know the CIA, the agent for all these globalist elites, organised a coup against him, ‘ 64 Years Later, CIA Finally Releases Details of Iranian Coup: https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/20/64-years-later-cia-finally-releases-details-of-iranian-coup-iran-tehran-oil/
All they want is a yes man who would give carte blanche to them to go on plundering their resources. Then as we know the Shah Reza Pahlavi was absolute dictotor, ruling with his dreaded SAVAK police, trained by the CIA and Mossad in the fine techniques of torture and interrogation Life in Iran for the ordinary people became burdensome, whilst the Shah and his cronies enriched themselves. Western oil and their attendant technological companies from the US and West made a fortune refining oil and selling technology, and what not else. No wonder the ordinary Iranian people hated the Shah and also the US. Mossadegh migh have given themm a beter life, as he was a true nationalist. But, no they tried, as is their usual method to tar him as a communist.
US supreme court Justice O Douglas struck up a close friendship with Mossadegh, and became his staunchest advocate in the West. See http://www.mohammadmossadegh.com/news/william-o-douglas/
Finally the people of Iran had enough, unfortunately, the ayatollahs and the Tudeh Party were the ones to fill in the power vacuum. But look at the perfidy of the CIA, when their protege proved so unpopular, they tried to make deals with the mullahs.
But to the CIA’s mind it could have been much worse. The Company far preferred the Islamic fundamentalists to the Arab nationalists represented by the Tudeh, Fedayeen and Mujahadeen Parties in Iran.
Within a few years of the Iranian Revolution, the CIA was helping Ayatollah Khomeini identify nationalist leaders so he could target leftists who had formed the Committee of 60, which led the Iranian revolution. In 1983 the CIA and British MI6 supplied a long list of Tudeh Party members to Khomeini. The Ayatollah unleashed a reign of terror against the left; assassinating, torturing and imprisoning over 10,000 Tudeh members and supporters. In 1989 many of those imprisoned were sentenced to death.
The Israelis courted the mullahs as well. Throughout the 1980’s Israeli pilots trained their Iranian counterparts on F-4 Phantom fighter planes at secret bases in Germany. Mossad continued to fund and arm Barzani’s PUK Kurd faction in their covert war against Iraq. As recently as 2002 German Customs officials seized an Israeli shipment of weapons bound for Iran.
The Iranian people are the ones to suffer from the deceit and duplicity of the CIA, acting as agent for the global elites.
So Iran becomes the hated enemy, but Saudi Arabia is a valued friend-why? Because the ayatollahs do not want to make deals with the US, but the Saudis are willing. And I reiterate, it is the proud Iranians, a wonderful people who pay the price. Sad to see the hypocritical tears for the Iranian people, but not willing to see your government’s role in creating such a pitiful situation.
Christianblood says
kuriakose posted
(..Yes, completely ignore what the US has done and focus on Russia and China. But then, I suppose what the US does is always justifiable to many Americans. Nobody is saying the Russians and Chinese are angels, but then your US is not one either..)
According most Americans, US is an “exceptional” country that can do anything it wants! They seriously believe in this! Hahaha! What a childish stupidity!
Mac-101 says
Some say the Globalist wanted to trash the Shah and Jimmy Carter gave em the green light. No matter how bad the Shah was, murdering something like 3 thousand fundamentalist over the years, he sure was better than the Ayatollahs, who supposedly are worth Billions themselves. I was briefed the Ayatollahs wacked about 30,000 Socialist/Commies who helped put in in office. First Time I read the CIA gave em the list of the Socialist and GOOD Guys. Maybe they got it off Hillary’s server. LOL!
gravenimage says
Well, this ranting about Jews and the West is just insane–but no real surprise.
And I see that christianblood and kuriakose are united in drooling over the supposed benefits of the horrors of Communism and giving Islam a pass–all while spouting calumny against the West.
Then christianblood ludicrously says that the US being an exceptional means they think they can do whatever they want–is this deliberate mischaracterization, or does he really believe this?
Of course, what American Exceptionalism really refers to is that the US is the only nation founded on the principles of individual liberty, democracy, and equal justice for all.
But christianblood has sneered at freedom and democracy many times, so this from him should not surprise.
Christianblood says
gravenimage
LGBTQ & Abortion are American free ‘democratic’ values as dictated by Hollywood!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Skyw2TH29s
Angemon says
Citation needed.
Christianblood says
gravenimage (correction)
This was the right video for my comment above:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4FSCqZcl8g
gravenimage says
christianblood can’t remember which of his spam he intended to post–no surprise there. The first one is by a notorious 9/11 Truther…
gravenimage says
And while the second one is pretty silly, christianblood has repeatedly lauded Muslims slaughtering gay people, which is *far* worse that this fellow dressing up as a girl.
CRUSADER says
Chinese influence in various trading ports (controlling interests) have expanded in key locations globally.
Keeping USA in check as China gears to rival as a Super Power all will undermine the West, as authoritarianism grows among an anti-American axis, while “democracy” erodes effectiveness in the West.
Future sure is shaping to become “very interesting”….
christianblood says
CRUSADER
A cake, a vase and… a BOX of ice cream: Putin’s birthday gifts that blew Xi Jinping away!
Video & pictures below:
https://www.rt.com/news/461952-putin-xi-ice-cream-birthday/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDkG13OzCN0
Mac-101 says
Putin better watch out. China will claim Siberia in 10 years.
christianblood says
Mac-101
That will never happen because firstly, by nature Chinese are not aggressors and their five thousand year old history proves it. Secondly, US and the West are pushing China and Russia into each others’ arms
and they will very likely soon be signing an all-encompassing strategic alliance between them.
Angemon says
christianblood posted:
“by nature Chinese are not aggressors and their five thousand year old history proves it”
Tell that to the Tibetans, South Koreans or Vietnamese…
Mac-101 says
If I remember my military briefings correctly, back around 1969 the Soviet/Sino border erupted and something like 50 Thousand killed or at least casualties in something like 3 weeks. The Chinese claim Siberia and THEY never give up land claims. Look at the China Sea and the Philippians and Vietnam.
christianblood says
Mac-101
Given the pressure and the hostility they are both getting from the West China and Russia are smart enough to resolve any issue between them peacefully and work together as allies in decades to come!
Mac-101 says
One, I don’t think we got decades till she blows. Second I told u before that I think Putin is Controlled Opposition and owned by the Globalist. He could blow the deep state’s lid off with leakin REAL info on the Deep State goin back to WWII and especially JFK. He did NOT.
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Thirdly the Globalist Kapitalist Crony Fascist Bankster Scum have purposefully made Red China the most powerful nation on the planet. WHY? It got to be more than just profits and marring hot Chinese chicks.
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Fourth, as someone mentioned a week ago, Muslims barely whimper when major disappearances of millions and crack downs occur in Red China, but squeal like pigs elsewhere. WHY?
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The only logical reason I can come up with is that the Globalist made a pack with the Chi-Coms makin them the most powerful nation on earth and they can run Asia as they wish and the rest of the world will be vassals under China using Islam as a control measure in ALL Barbarian provinces outside of Asia.
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Crazy Talk I know. But current events are way past Crazy!
Christianblood says
Mac-101 posted
(…One, I don’t think we got decades till she blows…Thirdly the Globalist Kapitalist Crony Fascist Bankster Scum have purposefully made Red China the most powerful nation on the planet…)
Good points!
I would say at this point in history, the only country that is a real threat and a real danger to the global peace is not China but the US.
Mac-101 says
Christian Blood, Official Chinese military men along with Iran have been threaten to destroy us for years. Red China’s expansion into the China sea claiming sometimes right up to the shoreline of the Philippians is aggressive. They could easily sat back and waited another ten years and own us ALL. They are buyin up most of the world now.
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Our PoliTicks are enabling them. Why? It does NOT look good for humanity. Of course da Turtle, Mitch McConnell, got to marry a hot Chinese Chick and git something like 25 million for don so. Enough of a reason. LOL! What did dat evil nurd Zuckerberg git?
gravenimage says
christianblood wrote:
I would say at this point in history, the only country that is a real threat and a real danger to the global peace is not China but the US.
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christianblood has said this kind of thing before, condemning us for having defeated Fascism, having saved South Korea from Communism, and having dismantled the Islamic State.
Christianblood says
Mac-101
It is the US that is at China’s and Russia’s borders, not the other way round! What is the US doing ten thousand miles from its borders?
What would the US do if China and Russia amass their troops and missiles at the Mexican and Canadian borders?
gravenimage says
christianblood wrote:
It is the US that is at China’s and Russia’s borders, not the other way round! What is the US doing ten thousand miles from its borders?
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The US is only a little over 6,000 miles away from China geographically–and is even closer to Russia. Why is he pretending that our being within ten thousand miles of China and Russia is a threat?
gravenimage says
christianblood loves to see dictators getting cozy with each other…
Christianblood says
gravenimage
Dictators?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9O0uR03s7m4
gravenimage says
I have said scores of times that I do not think we should play footsie with these dictators.
Note, however, that Putin does just the same with the barbaric Saudis–and christianblood has consistently refused to say anything critical about this. Here’s Putin, high-fiving the Saudi Crown Prince:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2018/11/30/high-five-putin-saudi-crown-prince-mbs-sot-vpx.cnn
christianblood says
CRUSADER
A multi-polar world takes shape and that is good for the world! No more degenerate and corrupt un-ipolar liberal world order let by the US and its Nato vassals! Putin ushered us into the multi-polar in his great speech at the Munich conference over a decade ago!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4MAsIh3zMA
gravenimage says
And ten years later he’s still dictator…
Christianblood says
Honest Ali
America’s politics and childish and chaotic! Look at Trump,
He can’t even exercise his original plan to temporarily ban muslims coming from jihadist countries for three months!
Besides, U$A is a mafia state that supports jihadists, invades and bombs small countries, spreads degeneracy and godlessness around the world, and supports savage jihadist states like Saudi Arabia!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Skyw2TH29s
gravenimage says
Actually, Muslim immigration into the US is down 90% under Trump, who *did* get his policies past the courts at last.
Meanwhile, Muslims are still flooding into Russia–but christianblood has said this is fine.
Then, he keeps posting this thing from a 9/11 Truther. Just appalling.
Georg says
Ben Rhodes/Democrats have declared their solidarity as well.
Walter Sieruk says
Those Iranian Gulf tanker attacks is keeping with the national character of the rough Islamic state of Iran . Therefore that attack, by Iran, should be of no surprise to any informant person, in fact , this fits in with the real legacy of Ayatollah Khomeini who was the Imam who was so powerful that he played large role in the establishment of the current Islamic tyranny of Iran which has the official title of “ The Islamic Republic of Iran” Khomeini had declared “ Jihad or Holy War ,which is for the conquest of [other ] countries and kingdoms , becomes incumbent after the formation of the Islamic State in the presence of the Imam or in accordance with his command. Then Islam makes it incumbent on all males…to prepare themselves for the conquest of countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world… those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world. The goal of this conquest would be to establish the hegemony of Islamic law.” [1]
[1] THE HISTORY OF JIHAD by Robert Spencer , page 319.
Walter Sieruk says
Those Iranian bomb attacks of those two tankers is, in part keeping with the long history of that violent “mullah regime” of Iran. Likewise also goes with bounds of the actual legacy of Ayatollah Khomeini is the of violence and war. To be more specific Islamic violence and war.
Strangely, there are many young people and strangely many older people, who are Westerns who in the United States as well other countries of the West are, no doubt sincere but very misinformed ,as in misled, therefore say ,because they believe it, that “Islam is a peaceful and non-violent religion .” To those people the first and supreme Ayatollah Khomeini , who was the very head this current Islamic regime of Iran knows better stated about how he feels about those naive Westerns .For he declared “Islam grew with blood….Islam is a religion of blood for the infidels” He also said “Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war….I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.” [1]
So, in other words Ayatollah Khomenei felt nothing but arrogant contempt for those people who say that his religion “Is a peaceful religion” and understand that they in ignorant and uninformed.
Therefore the West needs to wake up to the reality of the truth about the actual violent essence of this religion.
[1] THE ISLAM IN ISLAMIC TERRORISM, pages 336,339.
joanofark06 says
pages 336,339. What book??
gravenimage says
This book, Joan:
“The Islam in Islamic Terrorism: The Importance of Beliefs, Ideas, and Ideology”
by Ibn Warraq
You can find the book here:
https://www.amazon.com/Islam-Islamic-Terrorism-Importance-Ideology/dp/1943003084
(not sure it the pages cited refer to the hardback or paperback edition)
Walter Sieruk says
To joanotko6 ,to answer you question “What book?” The above site book is by Ibn Warraq with the title of THE ISLAM IN ISLAMIC TERRORISM
Donald says
Tikevto lert the military and put on stadby
Walter Sieruk says
About the above picture of two characters that mullah president of Iran and the chief Chinese Communist party leader in their solidarity alliance .This is an good photographic example of what is known and termed as “the Red -Green Alliance”
Furthermore that photo showing them joining together hand in hand is a in their Red-Green alliance is a further reminder that the Bible informs its reader in Proverbs 11:21. “Though hand join in hand ,the wicked shall not go unpunished .” [K.J.V]
Wellington says
Whatever’s the matter with the world, and there is much the matter with it, it’s nothing China, Russia and Iran can fix. None of these three even remotely ever produced a generation like America did with the Founding Fathers (and at the time America had a population of only some 4 million). Yes, where is the Russian George Washington or the Chinese Thomas Jefferson or the Persian Benjamin Franklin? When has China, Russia or Iran ever created something like the Declaration of Independence or the American Constitution?
So much for the wisdom of the East, Holy Mother Russia and sorry-ass Persia. Shameful. Damn pathetic too.
CRUSADER says
China’s Sun Yat-Sen was inspired by the Founding Fathers of America….
His rebellion didn’t turn out the same way, as Chiang Kai-shek and Mao did there worst to distort what Freedom and Liberty ultimately mean…
gravenimage says
Good points, CRUSADER–if Sun Yat Sen has a legacy, it is probably Taiwan–not perfect, but still one of the freest and most successful nations of the far east, despite being constantly threatened by Communist China.
Nixon having thrown Taiwan under the bus in 1972 I consider more shameful than Watergate.
Wellington says
Good for Sun Yat-Sen being inspired by the Founding Fathers of America, gravenimage. This is definitely to his credit. But that he could not draw upon previous Chinese generations for inspiration where true freedom is concerned belies for me completely the so-called vaunted wisdom of the East.
Asia through all its centuries and millennia still doesn’t equal in the “freedom category” what one generation of Americans did in the late 18th century. Telling. Instructive. Damning.
Screw Asia.
Mac-101 says
Wellington. This is why Population Replacement of the USA and the EU is so important to the Globalist. And I assure u, Black, Brown, Yellow or Red will NOT be any better off than White when THEY assume total power!
Kepha says
@Gravenimage:
I spent a good many years teaching in Taiwan, and I have family ties over there. Indeed, it has made of itself a fairly decent place, and I also fault Nixon, Kissinger, Carter, and Brzezinski for what I see as a shoddy act of betrayal (for which the USA got little–I served as a US consular officer in China for a while).
@Wellington: Yes, I am happy and grateful to be an American. I agree as well that one generation of 18th century Americans did a very good thing for themselves and the world–and probably not least because their experiment was built on a foundation of a Calvinistically-trained majority and because George Washington refused to let himself be made into the indispensible man by retiring after his second term (which probably saved our Constitution from becoming a mere scrap of paper).
As one who speaks, reads, and writes the Chinese language, I will agree that the West had a better political heritage than the Far East. But much of that I chalk up to the West having the Bible–especially, for the political realm, the narrative from Genesis to II Kings (IV Kings to the ROman Catholics), which more than any other sacred Scripture relativizes political power.
@Mac-101. If you are concerned about what made the white man great, re-acquaint yourself with the Gospel of Christ, and join a confessionally Reformed church, then work for the evangelization of the rest of the world. Just as the original Jewish Christians were not to keep the Gospel as their exclusive property, the white peoples of the North Atlantic World are also called to share its blessings with others (and thank God they have been doing so).
Mac-101 says
Kepha, I totally agree. The Gutenberg Press created Modern Civilized Western society. We ALL know who the smartest people in the world are. Not only are they extremely intelligent, but they stick together. The second most intelligent are the Asians without a doubt. However, they do NOT have a good history of working together without the very top trying to steal it ALL. The people down the ladder rung work obediently like ants in the collective. Perfect subjects for the Globalist.
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The third most intelligent, a couple steps down da ladder rungs is the White man. Due to them livin in a harsher climate and dependent upon weather and mutual cooperation to survive stuck together in the past more and had stronger Tribal, which morphed into national loyalties. Used by the Elites to slaughter hundreds of thousands, then millions to enrich themselves.
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Then come the Gutenberg Bible and then Bibles in the common vernacular. Elites, then the Upper middle class could see how Jesus really lived and preached and what the Word really was. Though we ALL fall far short of the Glory of G-d, people started to work at becoming real Christians/Christ Like. An impossible feat, but a goal for those wishin salvation! Of course Scumbags used Religion to slaughter millions to enrich themselves and take the property of the Church which sucked it off the Elites over the century for the Elites Salvation.
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So we have the Western Man with Revival of Christ’s teaching. The ridged strictly enforced penal code that hung thieves and business crooks, only those issued a charter by the Crown could prosper. Add to that the massive improvement of sanitation in England then Great Britain, followed by the Irish Potatoe famine that spread the British and Irish throughout the world. The top colonist may be Satanic scum, but a lot of the middleclass and lower were G-d fearin people who did bring some civilization throughout the world.
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As much as I rant about the City of London and da Banksters, They did bring us into the Modern Age. It just appears THEY are NOW ushering in the Future Age straight out of a High Tech Movie Nightmare.
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So I believe THEY are bringin about the End Times and I preach it every time I leave da farm. In fact I gave a couple minutes witness to about three Strangers at the gas station on the way home from church today and it was well received. Just threw in a Jackson in the special offering bucket for our Missionaries housing and teachin the handicapped orphans in Haiti.
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I try not to preach to much here since this is a battle against Satan and Civilization. I do though more than I probably ought to do so on this site. Whether Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, Christian or Atheist, we will ALL suffer under the Caliphate the globalist appear to me to be settin up for ALL countries other than China and their direct satellites. I will preach da Word, however we will ALL see who is correct on we cross the River to the Other Side.
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PS: When I was recoverin from a serious operation for a month and a half the visions of the martyrdom of the G-dly Roman Theban Legion appeared to me acting out their Martyrdom. I had no idea what it was so after I got all the details I could about the fuzzy visions I typed in Black Roman Legion/Decimation/Christian and the Roman Theban Legion popped up. They were a MAJOR influence in spreading Christianity into Western Europe. After over 30+ years of Black History in the US Army I never heard of them. If anyone is unfamiliar with them please search them and spend an half hour reading about them. True Disciples of Christ!
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As an ole White man I reach out to ALL Blacks, Young/Old, Man/Woman, especially when appropriate, Wal-Mart line, Gas Station, doctors whatever, and am almost always well received.
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gravenimage says
Good post, Kepha.
Wellington says
“…what Freedom and Liberty ultimately mean….”
Only the West produced real freedom and liberty. This is part, but only part, of why the West is the greatest civilization of all time. But right now only the West can be excoriated. Yes, when is the Islamic world excoriated? Asian civilizations? Sub-Saharan African societies? American Indians who brutalized each other both before and after 1492? Et al.
Phony world we live in. Profoundly so. And aiding this nonsense are many who are Westerners enjoying what the West created all the while denigrating the West while denigrating no other civilization or society.
Sick of this. Many, many more should be by now but aren’t thanks first and foremost to the newest idiocy in man’s history, Western Leftism, which has its origins in that tragic decade, the 1960’s, and which decade still adversely affects us to this day. My God, come this August loads of silly people will be celebrating the 50th anniversary of Woodstock when, in fact, Woodstock stands as arguably Example #1 of just how destructive, ungrateful, stupid and narcissistic the 1960’s really were.
As I said, phony world. A very foolish world too. Time for a beer.
Kepha says
Very, very good points!.I have always felt that the “multicultural” crowd is more anti-cultural than anything else. There’s nothing quite as annoying as coming up from an education that allows you to read Kong Zi, Lao Zi, the Tang poets, Plato, Paul, and Moses in the original languages and then get told by some tousel-headed punk who barely can write English that you’re “monocultural”.
gravenimage says
All true, Wellington.
And I wonder when christianblood is going to show up here, crowing that the Mullahs have every right to bomb oil tankers from peaceful nations if they feel like it?
Wellington says
Yes, gravenimage, where is that foolish turkey? Man, what he gets wrong could fill volumes.
gravenimage says
Didn’t take long…
Wellington says
No, it didn’t. Excuse making for ignorance and evil as usual.
Westman says
I find it amusing that the “unconquerable” Iranian government runs to China out of fear; practically volunteering to be its proxy.
WPM says
Yes the Chinese are loading fellow Moslems into trains ,buses, and horse drawn carts in China for trips to “the re-educational camps” but the Iranian are very happy to sell out Moslems from what they think is the “wrong branch” of that tree of Islam. If the” Iranian leaders” get real cozy with China letting the Chinese run their ports, oil exports ,day to day business I am sure they will have room in the camps for the present leaders of Iran. Chinese record for religious freedom is a very good a high end market for fresh “transplant organs ‘ from rebels against the Chinese state. especial religious base rebellion.
gravenimage says
China and Russia declare “solidarity” with Iran after Gulf tanker attacks
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Thugs in “solidarity” over thuggery.
mortimer says
“The Iranian people have shown that they are not shaken by the foreign pressures, but become more united and more resistant,” Rouhani said.
He shouldn’t count on it. When the Persians turn on the mullahs, it will be cataclysmic.
Don McKellar says
See? If Trump had continued on with Obama’s “Iran deal” there would be peace. This is all Trump’s fault. No blame can be laid on the Iranians at all. They were trying to save that ship by taking that unexploded mine off of it. China and Russia, the two most honourable and respectable regimes in the world today, have chosen to be on the side of the virtuous Islamic supremacists.
The above is the world view expressed on CNN — minus the Russian angle, as they were almost colluding with Trump.
Wellington says
Fine sarcasm. My compliments.
Will of course be missed by many, respecting whom like Obama are foolishly kind to the cruel (e.g., Iran) and cruel to the kind (e.g., Israel).
R Russell says
I wonder.
I have an elderly relative who became a Christian about 60 years ago. They have told me, several times over the years about the teaching they had at that time about the future and prophecy.
They told me that China, Russia Iran, Turkey and Germany would go to war with Israel in the future.
I wonder if my relative is right?
With so many Turks in Germany with their allegiance to Erdogan I can understand now how Germany could be involved. Are these countries flexing their muscles for the not too distant future?
Time will tell.
Kepha says
God is far more concerned about what goes on among those who profess the Messiah Jesus than he is about a strip of land between the Mediterranean and Jordan at this point. The nations have been called to “kiss the Son, lest ye perish in the way” (Ps. 2) for three millennia now; and by raising Jesus from the dead on the third day, God has shown he really means it. It’s far more important that we be praying for China, Russia, Turkey, Iran, and Germany and bearing a good doctrinal and ethical witness to them (as well as to our own country) than trying to find Gog and Magog in them.
There are better ways to read the Bible than the Dispensationalism which, it seems, has influenced your relative (although I amd humbly grateful that your relative came to know who Jesus the Messiah is).
dumbledoresarmy says
“It’s far more important that we be praying for China, Russia, Turkey, Iran, and Germany and bearing a good doctrinal and ethical witness to them (as well as to our own country) than trying to find Gog and Magog in them…”.
Precisely. I *pray* for the redemption of China – that is, of the peoples within the empire that is now called’ China’, peoples both Han and non-Han; I give thanks for the tens or scores of millions of people within China who are already Christian and pray for them to be joined by millions more, and for them to enjoy sound teaching and access to scripture in their mother-tongues. I *pray* for a thoroughgoing revival in Russia – which would touch not only the slavic but the NON-Slavic peoples – and for Russia to be liberated from its historically-besetting curses and bondages. I pray for the church in Persia: which is steadily growing. And I pray for *revival* in Germany – from which came my devoutly-Christian great-great-grandfather and his wife. Not a few Turks, too, both within Germany and in Turkey, have left Islam and become Christians; let’s pray for an ongoing *flood* of conversions.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Apparently the Chinese think they can play both ends against the middle when it comes to the Moslems. But it doesn’t work that way, in the long term the Moslems always win. Just look at their record.
Mac-101 says
The Chinese can come out on top easily since they both are as ruthless as each other, however the Chinese have the Intelligence over the Muslims. Look, the Chi-Coms killed 60 million of their own people in the Cultural Revolution in just a couple years and Mao is still considered a Super Hero. It took the Muslims a couple hundred years to kill 60 million Hindus.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
It took the Muslims a couple hundred years to kill 60 million Hindus.
Yeah, the Moslems didn’t have the wherewithal to stop the food and go en masse murder that way. As for Mao’s part, he did it by pursuing the stupidity of the Science of Socialism. What the Russians did to starve millions of Ukraines to death, not so much a mistake.
gravenimage says
All hideous atrocities.
I just finished reading “Camelia–a Memoir of Iran”, about what reformist journalist Camelia Entekhabifard went through in Iran. She was lucky to get out alive.
Wellington says
Agreed, Mac-101. I’m reminded once again of what a highly intelligent Chinese student whom I taught years ago said to me, to wit, as bad as you Americans think we are, we’re even worse.
Or as another Chinese student whom I taught announced not just before me but my entire class, i.e., we Chinese are racist and we don’t care that we are racist.
The Chinese don’t “get” freedom but, to their credit, they look with complete disdain upon the twin Western idiocies which are political correctness and multiculturalism—and with equal disdain yet upon other matters that are good in their own right like racial equality and which they don’t give a damn about either.
In any battle between the West and the Islamic world, the verdict is still out because over the past half century or so the West has gone into dumb mode due to Leftism. No such “hindrance” bedevils the Chinese. Between the Islamic world and China, no contest. The Chinese will wipe out any threat by Islam to China. Guaranteed.
Sometimes, once in a while, the authoritarian, still ignorant of liberty, will, precisely because liberty does not exist, destroy the barbarian. Thus will be the case in any contest between China and Islam.
Mac-101 says
Every indicator I’ve seen in the last 50+ years I have been aware of the Chi-Coms ALL points to their believe thousands of years old that ALL who are not Han Chinese are subhuman or barbarians. I’ve constantly wondered why our Elites would hand them the keys to Western Civilization. Must be Satanically driven!
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PS: Latest news is that the most sensitive top secrete components or the F-35 are made in Red China!
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PSS: Was the Red Chinese Student braggin about bein so evil or was he ashamed that Red China is so Evil. Nothin was worse than hearing the cries of the dogs bein slowly beaten to death so Koreans, and I understand the Chinese do the same, old men can git an erection eating them!
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Also disgusting are Muslims and Mohammad’s hatred of Loyal dogs. I had to witness Iraqi kids tortured puppies and dogs right outside the wire wanting the GIs to flip out and kill them so their parents can git the money and they can gi their virgins!
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All stooges for Satan!
Wellington says
Mac-101: Having taught many Chinese students here in America over almost thirty years, It took me a while to realize that the Chinese are actually taught that they are a different race from all other peoples (even a different species!). To correct this massive error was often deuce difficult.
Moreover, when I was teaching the Western Civilization course I taught for decades, and prior to mentioning the classical civilizations of Greece and Rome, as well as the ancient Jews, I began with ancient Mesopotamia and ancient Egypt, each of which can be dated as beginning around 3200-3100 B.C., the Chinese I taught were often incredulous respecting what I averred even though Chinese civilization only real began around 1500 B.C., by which time ancient Egypt was already in the New Kingdom period (18th-20th Dynasties), the Great Pyramid of Giza (4th Dynasty) was already a thousand years old, and Sumerian civilization was already dead and gone by around 500 years (the 3rd Dynasty of Ur, the last flowering of Sumerian civilization, was from around 2100 to 2000 B.C.).
Just as the Russians have been taught that WWII was really only a struggle between Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia (an Estonian I taught in the late 1980’s told me when he saw FDR and Churchill in a photograph from WWII with Stalin he wondered what FDR were doing there), so have the Chinese been brainwashed in similar ways. Ditto for the Japanese, the only “divine race” before General MacArthur corrected them of this and many other errors.
I have to laugh when I read about the “wisdom of the East.” What nonsense. The ancient Greeks alone blow away ALL of what ALL Asian civilizations combined created, including the invention of philosophy and democracy, never mind all the rest of Western Civilization which came after the Greeks.
Stupid, stupid world. Very phony too. Errors here, errors there, errors everywhere. None greater than Mo’s creed—but I digress.
tgusa says
“ALL who are not Han Chinese are subhuman or barbarians.” Pretty sure that they have that backwards.
China is literally hell on Earth for mans best friend.The fact that they do these horrific things to Dogs, animals that have done so much for humans over thousands of years leads me to believe that they are indeed, not human. I wont knowingly buy anything from mass murdering dog torturers but the US government doesn’t seem to have a problem with that. If China will mass murder their own and torture to death mans best friend you can only imagine what they would do to everyone else. The people of the USA appear to be governed by imbeciles.
Mac-101 says
Wellington and Tgusa, thanks for the good responses.
Don McKellar says
An interesting discussion! Anybody asking the question about how Islam can be defeated does need to understand that the Chinese have it right: by overwhelming ruthless force until they completely give up or are completely wiped out. That’s all they understand. In other terms, how many moslems are enslaved in re-education camps in China right now? One million? Something like that. China has their moslem population under control. No more jihad attacks. Ugly, horrible, maybe inhuman, but it works. Islam only flourishes in a vacuum — like what Obama created in the middle east which lead to the rise of ISIS. Either you quarantine moslems or you enslave and “re-educate” them ruthlessly, or you wipe them out. Sadly, this is what all of history teaches us as do the Islamic texts. Moslems were an nonexistant force in the advanced, civilized world well into the 1960’s because they were quarantined. Things changed with the oil money and they became progressively more dangerous and destructive in the world causing mischief.
gravenimage says
Actually, China has done its share of appeasing Muslims, as well–including exempting them from the “One Child Policy” and allowing them, but not Han Chinese, to carry knives.
You are right, though, that Muslims were little threat to the West until recently because they were isolated.
Mac-101 says
China does offer the Muslims some carrots, but it also has a Big Stick it holds over them and will use it in a heart beat on anyone who disrupts their society or THEIR power!
joanofark06 says
I, for one, agree with what China is doing with “them”. Unfortunately, the huge immigration to 19 non-muslim countries, in the last 5? years or so, is nothing but horror, as they spread satan’s evil. These non-muslim countries are doomed, by the satan-influenced leaders, who allowed millions to come into their borders, without knowing or caring, what these “people” believe in. (How is it possible that 19 leaders, ALL DO THE EXACT SAME THING AT THE SAME TIME??) The only reason that satan allowed these 19 countries to do this, is to slowly wipe out all of God’s people, until the coming Tribulation period, where THEN, they’ll have free reign to kill. Why else, are the main type of people getting killed, christians and jews? Why else are only churches being taken down? Of course, they hate anyone and everyone that isn’t like “them”, a satan follower.
Who else would do this?
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were BEHEADED for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark in their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Rev 20:4
kuriakose says
joanofark: Unfortunately, some people here do not understand Christian Scriptures; hence they can never see the evil within. Focusing on the evil without, and blinded to what their leaders have been doing for so long, they can only denigrate others.
Quote from Michael Youssef’s book,(speaking about apostate Christianity), The Third Jihad,……We (Americans) don’t like to admit that the calamities shaking our nation are a result of our own sin. We like to point the fingers of blame at non Christians….
When the Israelites continually sinned against God, he warned them many times through his prophets. But in the end, when they still did not listen, He removed His Hand of protection from them and they were led into captivity by their enemies.
…..History repeats itself. This was true throughout the Old Testament times and still true today. When we are unfaithful and will not repent, God has no choice but to hand us over to our enemies to be shaken and oppressed…..’
For quoting words like this, I am accused by GI of wishing that the moslems take over the West!
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gravenimage says
kuriakose constantly says that it is God’s will that the West be conquered by Muslims. He just hates being called out on it.
Dan says
Dictators of a feather flock everybody else together
Christianblood says
gravenimage
President V.V. Putin is an unparalleled master diplomat, a world-class leader and that is why his people keep choosing him again and again! He will still be a leader of Russia tens years later and he will surely make Russia great again, even further! May he live long!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9R9ZvREO1M
gravenimage says
In other words, he’s a dictator who likes to high-five Saudi dictators, but christianblood likes it that way…
And no, his going to church at Christmastime doesn’t change any of that.
joanofark06 says
I’m sorry, but I have to jump in, and ask, am I seeing that you don’t like Putin, or you don’t like the Saudi’s? Well if you don’t like the Saudi’s, then you need to keep quiet, because our president, happens to absolutely LOVE them!! Do I need to show you all the evidence of this?? All the way back from the day he BECAME PRESIDENT?? Did you not see the video above of him saying “that’s peanut’s to you”, to the Saudi king? And how many thousands of jobs, are coming to this country, because of all the weapons that we’re going to build for THEM?? I’m getting furious, so I”m going to stop there…I say you better respect them Saudi’s, son!! Their our life blood, so to speak, and Trump would agree!! Me…not at all. It makes me sick, that their brand of islam is running our children’s schools, and their practically running this country…and along with everything that we buy at walmart, from CHINA, we don’t have much of a country, to talk about!
As for Putin…I don’t enough on him…yet…to speak bad of him.
kuriakose says
Well said, joanofark06! Watch her now try to prove you are a secret moslem or syariah supporter. Tons of evidence on how the US have always been in bed with the Saudis right from the day oil was discovered in that region. The Saudis are happy for the protection offered them via US bases in the Middle East, US happy for their (actually global) OIl and banking cartels, big technological companies like Bechtel, Haliburton, armaments companies, all have and are making a fortune there. Without te US mafiosi protection, the Saudi regime will collapse. These global firms who control most of the western governments will continue to meddle in every corner of the world to try and bring them to heel.
No wonder they close their eyes to all the evil spawning from SA. 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers were citizens of Saudi Arabia, two were from the United Arab Emirates, one was from Lebanon, and one was from Egypt. Something to think about. Yet Iran is the only one being singled out now. Bizarro world, as Justin Raimondo at antiwar.com states.
gravenimage says
joanofark06 wrote:
I’m sorry, but I have to jump in, and ask, am I seeing that you don’t like Putin, or you don’t like the Saudi’s? Well if you don’t like the Saudi’s, then you need to keep quiet, because our president, happens to absolutely LOVE them!!…
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The Saudis are appalling–Saudi Arabia is a vicious Shari’ah state, the main national entity behind 9/11, and constantly fund “radical” Mosques and Madrasses around the world.
You are quite mistaken in believing that we have to keep quite about this–I never have.
christianblood constantly–and rightly–criticizes Trump for playing footsie with the Saudis.
But he also either ignores it or applauds when Putin does just the same.
*No* Infidels should consider these thugs allies.
gravenimage says
What claptrap from kuriakose. He always has to lie about me, because he’s got nothing else.
As for Justin Raimondo at antiwar.com, he is a vicious antisemite, and believes that the United States having defeated the Fascists in WWII was wrong. He hates civilized Israel’s having survived.
He also blames America for 9/11. In fact, he says that all Jihad terror is “blowback” and the fault of the West. He has called any defense against Jihad a “war on Islam”.
He also hates freedom of speech, condemning “Everybody Draw Mohammad”. No wonder kuriakose loves this thug.
kuriakose says
Quote: What claptrap from kuriakose. He always has to lie about me, because he’s got nothing else.
I don’t give a tuppence for you as your comments border on insanity really. Lie? You are the one who is renowned for twisting my comments.
I reserve the right to study anyone’s comments based on the truths they present. And if they have something valid to say which is justified, well then I have no isssues with what they say in this particular instance. You are just as bad as the muhameddans, who shout islamophobia everytime something unpalatable is said about their cult. And you are the same, trying to discount people like Chomsky. Raimondo, Chossudovsky etc by attaching labels to them-antisemite, leftists, commies and what not. You are really somewhat demented. Didn’t you lie about so many things-eg posting a link about Russia hacking US grid? All too eager to troll the net looking for any article that supports your narrative.
People like Chomsky, Chossudovsky etc are actually genuinely trying to make the world a better place for the poor and exploited peoples of the word. And it is your US, that, acting as proxy agent for the globalist elites, that is precisely doing that. They are superior to someone like you, who has no righteousness in your heart.
As I have quoted before, people like you cannot recognise the evil within, which is far more dangerous than the evil without.
And what I quoted to you is from Michael Youssef’s book, re moral decay in the west, and the reckoning to come from God if you people do not repent and turn back to him. Why not accuse him of wishing the west to be taken over by the barbarians? You are NO christian.
And by the way, you are the only one here who ever accuses of wishing evil upon the west.
Angemon says
“People like Chomsky, Chossudovsky etc are actually genuinely trying to make the world a better place for the poor and exploited peoples of the word. ”
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gravenimage says
kuriakose wrote:
Quote: What claptrap from kuriakose. He always has to lie about me, because he’s got nothing else.
I don’t give a tuppence for you as your comments border on insanity really.
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kuriakose saying that I would accuse joanofark06 of being a “secret moslem” is obvious tripe.
Note that he is unable to cite a single thing I said that was not rational. But then, this should not surprise.
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Lie? You are the one who is renowned for twisting my comments.
I reserve the right to study anyone’s comments based on the truths they present. And if they have something valid to say which is justified, well then I have no isssues with what they say in this particular instance.
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Note that kuriakose has accused me of “lying” when I cited his own words, complete with links to his own posts. Just bizarre.
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You are just as bad as the muhameddans, who shout islamophobia everytime something unpalatable is said about their cult.
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Talk about projection–when kuriakose doesn’t like having his own appalling comments cited.
And no–opposing the horrors of Jihad is *not* as bad as what muhammeddans do–what a twisted to say, as though disagreeing with kuriakose is the same as mass slaughter.
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And you are the same, trying to discount people like Chomsky. Raimondo, Chossudovsky etc by attaching labels to them-antisemite, leftists, commies and what not. You are really somewhat demented. Didn’t you lie about so many things-eg posting a link about Russia hacking US grid? All too eager to troll the net looking for any article that supports your narrative.
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The story he mentions above was reported by the NYT, by Reuters, by CNN, by the BBC, by Bloomberg, by NPR, by the Washington Post, by Wired, by USAToday, by Slate, by NewsWeek, and many other news sources, across the political spectrum and in several countries. If he has a problem with this, he should take it up with them, and not with myself.
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People like Chomsky, Chossudovsky etc are actually genuinely trying to make the world a better place for the poor and exploited peoples of the word. And it is your US, that, acting as proxy agent for the globalist elites, that is precisely doing that. They are superior to someone like you, who has no righteousness in your heart.
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Noam Chomsky is a 9/11 Truther–the idea that ignoring the threat of Jihad and instead blaming the victims is “genuinely trying to make the world a better place” is just disgusting.
Chomsky also hates free trade, which has brought more opportunity to poor people in the world than has anything else. I don’t consider wanting people to stay poor and without opportunity to a good thing. He also hates civilized Israel.
And no–the idea that I have no righteousness in my heart” for opposing the horrors of Jihad is just sickeningkly false.
As for Michel Chossudovsky, he is another 9/11 Truther who has condemned all Western nations for doing *anything* to oppose Jihad terrorism. He hates Israel, as well.
He founded the Centre for Research on Globalization, which has reported that 9/11 was a false flag attack planned by the CIA, and that the 2005 London bombings were perpetrated by the United States, Israel, and United Kingdom.
In other words, kuriakose is a big fan of those who deny that Islam is a threat, instead blaming the West for waging Jihad.
And the same time–bizarre but actually quite common among terrorism deniers, he also says that the West deserves to be conquered by Muslims (you find similar ideation among Holocaust deniers–the the Holocaust is either exaggerated or even wholly fictional, but that Jews nonetheless deserve genocide).
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As I have quoted before, people like you cannot recognise the evil within, which is far more dangerous than the evil without.
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In other words, Islam is not a threat–but the ‘filthy Infidels’ are…
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And what I quoted to you is from Michael Youssef’s book, re moral decay in the west, and the reckoning to come from God if you people do not repent and turn back to him. Why not accuse him of wishing the west to be taken over by the barbarians? You are NO christian.
And by the way, you are the only one here who ever accuses of wishing evil upon the west.
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Michael Youssef himself had to flee Dar-al-Islam.
He is, in fact, *quite* critical of Islam:
“Michael Youssef Talks Straight On Islam”
https://virtueonline.org/michael-youssef-talks-straight-islam
kuriakose may not want us to know this.
Indiana Tom says
You really have to wonder why the Midwest can run rings around Russia even though the two areas have similar flora, fauna, and climate. Something in the water?
Keys says
Under Stalin the problem was the insanity of Lysenkoism.
I don’t what it is now. Maybe their farmers are leftists ?
Indiana Tom says
It would be nice to have some help from Norway and Japan on this. Japan having the second most powerful navy in the world. It looks like only a matter of time until the US navy wipes every Iranian navy unit off the face of the earth. Russia and China will look on and suck eggs.
Indiana Tom says
China and Russia really do not get along well historically and Putin and Ping are producing kabuki theater. Russian navy sucks and the Russians know it. Russians will not get too cozy with Iran. China is too wrapped up in the south China sea.
somehistory says
Thank you, Mr. Spencer, for your analysis. Your words fully explain the look on the face of the Chinese man in the photo.
Each nation jockeys for top position. This is the current battle to reach it, stepping on any others being a necessary part thereof.
gravenimage says
Not everyone acts like these thugs, Somehistory.
somehistory says
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I din’t name any names of any ‘one’ as you can plainly read in my comment. But it is true that each nation’s governments have “thugs” in positions of some authority, power, etc. No nation, not even the ‘best’ of the lot is completely free of “thugs.” I could name some “thugs” in America’s government, but I think you already know who some of them are.
And….no government, no nation, on earth wants to be at the bottom of the power heap. Each government wants to be seen as needing to be respected for what it can do on the world’s stage…be it military or economic power or influence over all other nations. Like chickens in a barnyard, bulls in a pasture, mountain goats on the tops of the Rockies…humans want to be respected and even a little feared at times…esp those in positions of governmental power.
If you doubt this, think IRS. And then, think poor taxpayer having to be audited. Or a driver, tootling along and suddenly seeing the flashing blue and red behind him/her.
gravenimage says
It is true that no nation is perfect, Somehistory.
As for jockeying for power, the West is more apt to point to its accomplishments and standard of living, and not just try to crush her enemies–but there are nations that have never moved past this way of thinking.
somehistory says
Since the article is mainly about China/Russia and Iran, my comment was regarding this situation that is currently going on regarding their attitude and actions toward the U.S.
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I have never thought of China, Russia or Iran as anything but demonically controlled, run on the surface by those without ethics or morals.
At one time, I was very naive about the U.S. government. (I think back to Gary Powers. And many, many other things of the past that I learned after grade school.)
I have since learned what the Bible says about **all** human governments and recognize that, although we certainly have more freedom to think, speak and worship than do the majority of nations (though I believe we are on the verge of losing these) …and now, more so than before regarding the others that once showed some freedoms…no government by man is perfect. Each man-made government is only a temporary thing in the eyes and Will of our Creator. (see the Book of Daniel)
Kepha says
Xi Jinping is thinking, “Wasai! This Western Barbarian stinks like rancid mutton!”
somehistory says
Kepha
:0) Thanks for the laugh.
Raja says
Christian Blood’s praise of China not having territorial ambitions and Russian president Putin being a great leader is all hog wash. They are too far from truth.
The East Asian nations know too well how harrowing and threatening it is to deal with China. China doesn’t even spare claims to tiny islands that too from Japan. India lost millions of square miles of land to China. With Tibet it is still worse; they gobbled an entire nation almost the size of France.
How can Putin be a great leader when he inspires political killings as reported by Western press?
If Obama’s nuclear deal with Iran had gone through Iran would have unleashed its arsenal on Israel and other nations by now. WWIII would have been over years ago.
I am appalled at Christian Blood’s outlandish claims about almost everything.
Kepha says
You are correct, Raja. I have Chinese family connections from a piece of land that got colonized by the Han Chinese back in the 16th-17th centuries (Taiwan). The meme that China is oh-so peace-loving and has never expanded beyond its borders is propaganda that was fed to the American public back in WWII, when China was indeed a victim of Japan. In 5,000 years of history, China’s borders have expanded and contracted a number of times. I do not hate China, and I admire much of its civilization, but I do not admire its current regime.
kuriakose says
Raja
So you believe blindly what the western press tells you? Certainly China and Russia are no angels, but have you ever bothered to look closely at what the US has been doing since God knows how long? The very same US that was supporting Pakistan against India all this while. JFK was assasinated by the shadowy govt controlling the US. Ask yourself why. A wise person will look at everything and then only come to conclusions.
CB’s claims are not outlandish, you can verify them if you care to do so.
Eg, ..The US envoy on religious liberty has slammed the Islamic world for not condemning China’s ongoing mass incarceration of Uighur Muslims.
Sam Brownback, ambassador at large for international religious freedom, said he is “disappointed” by the response of majority-Muslim states, The Guardian reported.
Brownback said the states were perhaps wary to bring attention to their own rights record.
https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2019/6/11/us-envoy-slams-muslim-world-for-not-condemning-china
Supporting muslims just to blacken China? It sure is a bizarro world.
US regime changes, even directed at genuine nationalists who only want to give their people a better life, are only for the benefit of the globalists that control the western governments.
Read this: https://www.consortiumnews.com/2011/011611a.html
Raja says
Don, I largely agree with you about the Islamic populations to be quarentined. I always thought everything about Ishmael that went awry and how Satan seiized the opportunity to enslave the bull headed people through Islam. Sad other ethnicities too want to be of the same kind especially the Left Dems etc.
Gen 16:12
“He will be a wild donkey of a man, His hand will be against everyone, And everyone’s hand will be against him; And he will live to the east of all his brothers.”
joanofark06 says
Exactly right, Raja! Islam has grown leaps and bounds, with satan in control of it! We are told his time is short, and I believe with the HUGE immigration to 19 non-muslim countries, that he is moving faster. How could 19 LEADERS of these 19 countries, all allow millions or billions of these certain type of people, to just walk into their borders, without knowing or caring, what they believe in?? I could see 1 or 2, but 19?? And these 19 leaders, all do this exact same thing, at the exact same time?? So back to satan, who else could get that many “people”, to believe in killing anyone and everyone, that has anything to do with the God of heaven? To kill all christians and jews, to destroy as many churches as they can, etc etc..
And I believe I have the reason, for this huge immigration, to these non-muslim countries…satan has a purpose for this. While everyone else is trying to guess, and coming up with “oil”, or “money”, etc etc…if they only knew prophecy…
Jack Holan says
This is an ideal opportunity over the next 6 years to aggressively exploit ALL OUR FOSSIL ENERGY SOURCES BOTH ON THE CONTINENTAL SHELF OF AMERICA AND OFF-SHORE HOLDINGS. ITS TIME WE RID OURELVES OF FOREIGN DEPENDENCE ONCE AND FOR ALL. Don’t worry the day after Trump would Tweet this Oil Prices from SArabia,Iran, Russia will plummet to discourage us from taking action. If we’re smart this time We’ll look away.
Kepha says
Friends, I have done some interaction here, but there are points I’d like to make.
China’s history is far older that 1949, the year of the Communist victory, and even much older than 1919, when the Chinese Communist Party was founded–just as Germany is far more than the rankled nationalism that dominated it from the Napoleonic occupation through 1945. Yes, China has expanded much from its humble beginnings in the relatively small area where the Loess Plateau and North China Plain meet.. Yes, its politics have been and can be ruthless, especially now that it remains captive to a host of bad ideas learned from Hohenzollern-era Germany (and, to a lesser extent, from the 19th century American anthropologist Lewis H. Morgan, with his evolutionary determinist view of cultural development).
But while I would be the first to think that the thought of Kong Zi and Lao Zi are pretty poor compared to what God gave us in the Scriptures of the Old and New Testament, they are no more benighted than Aristotle’s belief, expressed in _Politika_that it is only natural for Greeks to rule barbarians (anyone who didn’t speak Greek; which meant Jews, Persians, and Celts, not people who dressed in furs and used stone tools).
I fully understand Wellington’s Chinese student who was unapologetic about his people’s racism. I’ve also known such people, and my encountering them among a Chinese officialdom is a reason I deeply mistrust the Chinese regime. Yet I have myself run into Chinese students and immigrants (the latter, to be sure, often being on their way to becoming Americans) who are intrigued and impressed by our American willingness to confront our own racism, our Christianity, and system of liberties. Sun Yixian (Sun Yatsen in Cantonese) does indeed have heirs. The phenomenon of Xi Jinping’s renewing the Maoist dictatorship reflects the Communist Party’s fear that it is facing a serious internal challenge, indeed, a crisis of faith among its own people. This crisis of faith is engendered from both a generation that has seen Confucius decried as the font of “feudal reactionary” ways and then rehabilitated as a national sage and one that has been very responsive to Christianity, capitalism, and political pluralism. These challenges to the Communist Party are also why China’s government plays the nationalism card at every turn–but it is a kind of nationalism ultimately learned from the West.
As for Russia, I cannot believe that the nation that gave Lobochevsky, Mendeleev, and others to science and produced such men of letters as Dostoevsky, Tolstoi, and Solzhenitsyn can be a mere wilderness of barbarism.
Further, a Beijing-Moscow-Tehran axis will be an unstable one–not least because the politics of both present-day China and present-day Iran are founded on accumulated resentments, envy, and bigotries, all of which will undermine such an alliance.
Maybe God is entering into controversy with a world that thinks itself wiser than he; maybe this is a dark hour before a much better dawn. I don’t know. But I remain very certain that the West should dust off its own spiritual inheritance from ancient Israel via Christ.
I could say more, but I’m getting tired.
Wellington says
Fine posts you proffered here at JW, Kepha. Informed and thoughtful as always.
Hope you and family are doing well. Take care.
P.S. On the specific matter of the Russians, yes, they have contributed a great deal to science and the arts but they remain retards on the matter of liberty. Just as great people can have great faults, so can great nations. Again I would ask when has Russia produced a Thomas Jefferson, a Benjamin Franklin, a James Madison, a George Washington, an Abraham Lincoln, a Ronald Reagan, etc.? It certainly has had enough centuries to do so and yet to date has not. Stolypin comes the closest here and he was assassinated. Russia on liberty has been eternally pathetic. This has been a negative not only to Russia but to the West as well.
joanofark06 says
Kepha, could you elaborate a little on your last sentence….perhaps you meant to say something different, cause SURELY you didn’t mean to say, what I think you said!
Sam says
We are the biggest customer of China and they will not cut the hand that feeds them. All that worry about China, in my opinion, is baseless but we should never let the Chinese government gain more power as it is an evil empire like Russia and a lot of others in the middle east. The only leader fighting the evil in the world is Trump. We must help Trump win his second term to slow down the communist movement in the world and in our country thanks to our “Democratic” Party.
joanofark06 says
“We must help Trump win his second term to slow down the communist movement in the world and in our country”
Can we please please, NOW destroy all of China’s Walmart’s in this country?? Can we get Trump to bomb them all?
gravenimage says
No, Trump is not going to bomb Walmart.
Oren Wysocki says
If iran has no interests in attaining nuclear weapons, they should be willing to include that stipulation in there nuke deal. B”H
IanB says
We already know who the enemies of Freedom are. This merely confirms.
Larry says
This is rich, coming from Rouhani. I wonder if asked the Chinese President about the hundreds of Muslims who are imprisoned in China for simply being Muslim. I guess not.
Kepha says
Rouhani could care less about the Uyghur separatists in Eastern Turkistan and the Hui political dissidents in China proper, since they’re almost all Sunni, and the few Shi’ites (among the Sarikoli in the SW corner of Eastern Turkistan) are Isma’ilis instead of Twelvers.
joanofark06 says
You have nothing against any muslims, I’m assuming?
gravenimage says
Larry is indeed an Anti-Jihadist. He is just talking about Muslims being inconsistent in who they accuse of “Islamophobia”.
kuriakose says
Some of the comments directed against China, Russia border on the paranoid. The Chinese did have a great civilisation, but like all great civilisations, fell into decay. And the same peril is facing the West today. Are you people giving yourself cheap consolations that all is not going well with the West? How many observers have written about the very likely fall of the West?
You brag about western civilisation, but how much it owes the Greeks which in turn borrowed from previous civilisations? Are the Greeks to be considered westerners?
It was scholars like Aquinas who put Christianity on an intellectual footing, using Greek ideas. Not to forget Paul himself, whose letter to the Romans is a lesson in reasoning.
Or Albert the Great (Albertus Magnus)? Quote….Albert was one of the great intellects of the medieval Church. He was among the first and greatest of natural scientists. His knowledge of biology, chemistry, physics, astronomy, and geography (one of his treatises proved the earth to be round) was so amazing that he was often accused of using magic. He wrote profusely on logic, metaphysics, mathematics, the Bible, and theology. A keen student of Arabic learning and culture, his and Aquinas’s adaptation of Aristotelian principles to systematic theology and their attempts to reconcile Aristotelianism to Christianity caused bitter opposition among many of their fellow theologians. Because of his genius, he was known as “the Universal Doctor” among his contemporaries.
I am just making the point that it was these great Catholic scholars whose ideas in fusing Greek thought and Christianity helped to shape western civilisation.
And how long it took for so called western ethics to seep down? As late as Victorian times, you were sending little kids up chimneys. And during Tudor times, you were tossing down your waste including human ones out of the window. Sending convicts to Australia, whose crimes in some cases were so insignificant, like stealing a loaf of bread out of hunger. And notwithstanding whatever you may say about colonialism, it was chiefly to gain wealth and possessions based on violence and superor arms. And not to forget the bloodthirsty wars you people waged. The only great thing is that many of your scientists had the spirit of inquiry and curiosity, which made them desire to study the anthropolgy, catalogue the natural history of all the unknown places and colonies. I really take my hat off to that spirit of inquiry.
Learn from the great Catholic priest, Matteo Ricci. A highly educated man, he was not arrogant like some of you here to feel that he was superior to the Chinese, on the contrary he was very much impressed with their learning and culture.
The accomplishments of the Tang dynasty need no telling, all the great poetry, paintings and pottery. Works of art that you westerners lust for and are willing to take by fair or foul means. How many of these are in the hands of Westerners now?
It is true that Chinese suffered a great setback during the reign of terror by the Communists, and that still is impacting on them. I have taught Chinese students here in Australia, most of them are very intelligent and industrious. They are certainly against Communism, but they also have no trust for the US. They do not forget the time when the British were growing opium in India, and smuggling it to China to make a profit. Certainly a great ethic. Jardine and Matheson, two of them who made a fortune from this smuggling, still live on in Jardine Matheson Holdings Limited, a British conglomerate incorporated in Bermuda and headquartered in Hong Kong, with its primary listing on the London Stock Exchange and secondary listings on the Singapore Exchange and Bermuda Stock Exchange. The majority of its business interests are in Asia, and its subsidiaries include Jardine Pacific, Jardine Motors, Jardine Lloyd Thompson, Hongkong Land, Jardine Strategic Holdings, Dairy Farm, Mandarin Oriental Hotel Group, Jardine Cycle & Carriage and Astra International. It sponsors the Jardine Scholarship.( Bermuda? To avoid tax).
Jardines was one of the original Hong Kong trading houses or Hongs that date back to Imperial China, and as of December 2010, 41 percent of the company’s profits are still earned in China. The company is controlled by the Keswick family, who are descendants of co-founder William Jardine’s older sister.
If you people despise China so much, why then most of your elites are making a fortune still from China? Hand in hand with the Chinese govt and tycoons?
Your western arrogance and superiority complex will only create animosty and hatred towards you. Best to look at the causes of moral decay in the West, which is an warning sign of collapse.
Western civilisation has certainly good points, but you cannot just discount the negative part.
Wellington says
kuiokose: No one here is discounting the wrongs of the West. You set up a straw man and then knocked it down. Indeed, the West is the only civilization that has apologized for its wrongdoings (when has the Islamic world, China, Russia, et al.?). But Western Civilization accomplished more than any other civilization in history, including the invention of philosophy (ancient Greeks), democracy (ancient Greeks again), the scientific method, the greatest technological legacy of all time, women’s rights as no other civilization or society has, concepts of liberty no other civilization developed, et al.
One last thing. The ancient Greeks were indeed Westerners. Arguing otherwise is just silly. The Greeks, Romans and ancient Jews laid the intellectual foundations of the West. And you asserted that the Greeks borrowed from previous civilizations. What civilizations and what did they borrow? Yes, there are a few examples like adapting the Phoenician alphabet to construct the Greek alphabet, the Phoenician writing system itself borrowed from the alphabetic portion of the ancient Egyptian hieroglyphic system, but almost all that the ancient Greeks did they invented themselves. They are arguably the single most inventive and original people of all time.
Kepha says
Actually, where does the “West” end, and the “rest” begin? Will Durant (miserable apostate Jebbie that he was) made the Jews out to be “Oriental”. But what is the West without its centuries of interaction with the Hebrew Bible; and even the New Testament itself is a Jewish book. It was not until Gibbons, with his hatred of Christianity of any kind, that the “West” decided that the East Roman Empire and its heirs were something other than part and parcel of what had been called “Christendom”. Indeed, I would see the prophets of Israel rather than the Greek philosophers as the source of the Western self-critical tradition (which is one of the West’s very great strengths).
Further, one of the disgusting things about today’s China is that it is pathetically a spiritual colony of the worst that 19th century Germany had to offer. As some Chinese dissidents once observed, “马克思为何省何县的人?“(And Marx was a native of which province and county?–referring to the tradition in Chinese biographical writing of listing the home place of the subject); but the problem is that much of the Chinese type of nationalism owes a lot to the “Blut und “Boden” of the Hohenzollern era. Not even the Taiwan independence people are free from this, as can be seen by the silly posing of people claiming an Austronesian rather than Han pedigree, when their own grandfathers never called an Austronesian-speaker anything other than “Barbarian–生番).
On this score, though, I recall one conversation I had in Taiwan with an active member of theGuomindang, a nationalist in every sense of the word (albeit not of the “nasty” kind of nationalism that feels obliged to dump on others). I then pointed out to him that he himself was a Christian, worked in physical sciences informed by Western developments, and that Dr. Sun has drunk deeply of Western wells. My interlocutor then pointed out to me “Back in the Tang, WE were the great open, immigrant-absorbing nation and civilization that accepted new faiths, artistic influences, and traded with everyone within reach.” Indeed, a lot of people like him looked on the Tang dynasty as a cultural golden age, and from what I know of the era, I cannot blame them.
I could live with a soft-authoritarian China that saw the Pacific as a “huge Ocean”; I remain more of a well-wisher to those Chinese who admire our constitutional checks and balances, rights culture, and doctrine of political compact; but a China that sees itself as the last, best hope of 20th century totalitarianism makes me feel very suspicious.
kuriakose says
wellington:
As I said, history is FLUID, as new evidence comes to light, ideas change. Just quoting one article that supposedly destroyed ‘afrocentric’ theory does not mean anything. I don’t accept that Greek philosophy occured in a vacuum. Neither the notion that the Greek civilisation is European. Straddling the mid way, it belongs to the Middle East and S Europe.
Eg here is one article that claims a link with Hindu philosophy: https://historum.com/threads/indian-influence-on-greek-philosophy.61955/. As I said, what happened in the early civilisations is not well known at all.
Let me ask you a simple question: How do you make a conclusion? Studying one or two articles that support your narrative and disregard the rest? The way you made a conclusion about the Chinese and the Russians by your experience with some students is questionable. I have taught in Australia, and my experience is that the Australian kids are lazy, disinterested in studies, disrespectful, have a contempt for education. And the Indian, Chinese kids are generally industrious, value education and have ambitions. Do I then extrapolate and say all Aussie kids are lazy and despise education? No, I have to a take proper sample from different schools and different socio economic backgrounds before coming to any conclusion.
American Indian saying: Judge not a person until you have walked a mile in his moccassins.
Also what criteria do you use to judge a civilisation? Only by its technological and scientific innovations, artistic and literary output and theoretical human rights? What about real human rights for all mankind as opposed to theoretical human rights? How long did it take for the notion that human rights did extend to even the most vulnerable and ‘lower classes’? What about the destructive effects of a civilisation like wars, bloodshed and carnage? Did they really follow the Judeo Christian ethics?
The Bible truly has the notion of human rights correct, ie as embodied in the first 2 commandments-Thou shalt love your God with all your heart AND your neighbour as yourself. And Jesus himself explained that all the laws of God rested on these as the foundation and illustrated them with the parable of the Good Samaritan (who is my neighbour). And please note that God never said that all men are created equal.
In spite of so called Judeo Christian ethics, did Christian Europe really implement this? No. As I pointed out earlier, only lip service was paid by clergrymen or rulers. Only in the case of a few notable saints, we do see that (eg Francis of Assissi, John of God). And the prophets of old, knowing fully that all humans are not created equal, instituted the jubilee year. A year when all debts were to be wiped out, all land reverts back to original owners. But history is not clear whether the Israelis ever practised that.
Now contrast that with human declarations like ‘All men are created equal…..Did your founding fathers realise that that could never be true? And did they include all people or just some? Were blacks, Indians etc counted among them.
How long did it take for a proper understanding of God’s 2 laws to take place? If ever? And as I pointed out earlier, having a class system in England, savage barbaric wars, sending little boys up chimneys, convicts to penal colonies, uprooting rural communities, reducing the poor to become units of commodity in factories don’t add up to human rights or any notion that all men and women should be treated equally.
And your leaders are clever and cunning, having seen that modern ideas of human rights, fair pay and conditions make it uneconomical for them, so they have sent such jobs to 3rd world countries using middle men to cover up their shameful abuse of human rights. This is the blight of your western civilisation, that you have costed everything to the last nanocent and nanosecond and in the process reduce many people to nothing but commodities to be traded and sold. And your claim that they have said they are sorry, so that’s the end of the matter is irrelevant as they are sill doing it by subterfuge. And why do you people feel the need to denigrate SJW, environmentalists etc? Many of them are decent people fighting for poor exploited people everywhere. Isn’t that a lot better than some of you who only know how to come here and vent spite?
Angemon says
“And your leaders are clever and cunning, having seen that modern ideas of human rights, fair pay and conditions make it uneconomical for them, so they have”
Yes, I’m sure “our leaders”, whomever who think them to be, are, in this very instant, in a dark, shady, smoke-filled room, smoking cigars, drinking scotch and twirling theyr moustaches while going “Mwa-ah-ah, how can we trample on human rights and avoid fair pay while giving our workers no conditions today?”
“sent such jobs to 3rd world countries using middle men to cover up their shameful abuse of human rights.”
Last time I checked, there were no “Western” black ships on the coast of China demanding the Chinese to pay their workers a wage they can’t live on and force them to work 100 hours or so per week. Nor is there an American army forcing South Americans to enter the border illegally so they can do what Americans do for much less. Never wondered why 3rd-worlders seem to want to come to the West? No, I bet you haven’t, with you being busy on huffing your own farts and talking about the “evils” of “the West”…
“And why do you people feel the need to denigrate SJW, environmentalists etc?”
What does that even have to do with anything?
“Many of them”
Weasel words.
“ are decent people fighting for poor exploited people everywhere.”
Therefore, the rest, by the logical conclusion of your words, must’t be decent people – ever stopped to think that the SJWenvironmentalists /etc you’re mentioning – the ones being denigrated – are, in fact, the non-decent ones? Why are you defending indecent people?
“Isn’t that a lot better than some of you who only know how to come here and vent spite?”
Who made you the moral arbiter of this site?
gravenimage says
Let’s wade through this, shall we?
kuriakose wrote:
wellington:
As I said, history is FLUID, as new evidence comes to light, ideas change. Just quoting one article that supposedly destroyed ‘afrocentric’ theory does not mean anything. I don’t accept that Greek philosophy occured in a vacuum.
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Yes, new historical information comes to light all the time.
The idea, though, that proof will suddenly come to light that Greek thought is entirely sub-Saharan African in origin, despite there being no evidence of this and it having little influence in this region seems unlikely. Why not just claim that it is extra-terrestrial instead? This is about as plausible…
More:
Neither the notion that the Greek civilisation is European. Straddling the mid way, it belongs to the Middle East and S Europe.
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Firstly, southern Europe is indeed Europe. Why would kuriakose think that it is not?
Then, Greek thought may “belong” to the Middle East in some vague manner, but it was never much practiced there, not by either Islamic or pre-Islamic thinkers in the region.
In fact, Islam specifically *rejects* such concepts as individualism and reason.
More:
Eg here is one article that claims a link with Hindu philosophy: https://historum.com/threads/indian-influence-on-greek-philosophy.61955/. As I said, what happened in the early civilisations is not well known at all.
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Even if we were to take this at face value, it focuses more on concepts such as the four humors being Indian in origin–not so much the bases of philosophy, science, and rational thougt.
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Let me ask you a simple question: How do you make a conclusion? Studying one or two articles that support your narrative and disregard the rest?
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Wellington is, in fact, a professor of history and law. The idea that he has read one or two articles is quite absurd.
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The way you made a conclusion about the Chinese and the Russians by your experience with some students is questionable.
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Wellington was not simply extrapolating from his experience with a few students. The idea that there is no public information on these two nations is fairly ridiculous.
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I have taught in Australia, and my experience is that the Australian kids are lazy, disinterested in studies, disrespectful, have a contempt for education. And the Indian, Chinese kids are generally industrious, value education and have ambitions. Do I then extrapolate and say all Aussie kids are lazy and despise education? No, I have to a take proper sample from different schools and different socio economic backgrounds before coming to any conclusion.
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The above is not even written very cogently. Where has kuriakose been teaching?
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American Indian saying: Judge not a person until you have walked a mile in his moccassins. Also what criteria do you use to judge a civilisation? Only by its technological and scientific innovations, artistic and literary output and theoretical human rights? What about real human rights for all mankind as opposed to theoretical human rights?
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The idea that there are nations that have low levels of education, innovation, and artistic creation that are nonetheless bastions of human rights–citations, please. Where would this be? Communist countries? The Third World? Dar-al-Islam? Of course, kuriakose does not say.
The fact is that it is Western nations, as a rule, that top all of these factors.
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How long did it take for the notion that human rights did extend to even the most vulnerable and ‘lower classes’? What about the destructive effects of a civilisation like wars, bloodshed and carnage? Did they really follow the Judeo Christian ethics?
The Bible truly has the notion of human rights correct, ie as embodied in the first 2 commandments-Thou shalt love your God with all your heart AND your neighbour as yourself. And Jesus himself explained that all the laws of God rested on these as the foundation and illustrated them with the parable of the Good Samaritan (who is my neighbour). And please note that God never said that all men are created equal.
In spite of so called Judeo Christian ethics, did Christian Europe really implement this? No. As I pointed out earlier, only lip service was paid by clergrymen or rulers. Only in the case of a few notable saints, we do see that (eg Francis of Assissi, John of God). And the prophets of old, knowing fully that all humans are not created equal, instituted the jubilee year. A year when all debts were to be wiped out, all land reverts back to original owners. But history is not clear whether the Israelis ever practised that.
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We’ve seen this sort of thing before–the idea that it is better to have no moral standards at all than to have them and not live up to them.
But this is false–not only are societies with good values apt to be better than those without, but there is also a driving impetus to live up to their values. We saw this, for instance, in the United States, when she was struggling to live up to her ideals re human freedom.
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Now contrast that with human declarations like ‘All men are created equal…..Did your founding fathers realise that that could never be true? And did they include all people or just some? Were blacks, Indians etc counted among them.
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Like so many who sneer at freedom, kuriakose does not appear to understand the concept that all men are created equal–this is about equal rights, not necessarily equality of outcome. It is not claiming that all men are equal in intelligence, drive, and inventiveness–nor that all men can run equally fast.
And in the West rights have steadily expanded–from white men of property to people of color, the poor, and women. To imply that this concept is useless and to be sneered at because it was not perfectly implemented everywhere at once is absurd.
This would be like asking American women if, since they didn’t get the vote until 1920 if they wouldn’t actually prefer living in Saudi Arabia.
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How long did it take for a proper understanding of God’s 2 laws to take place? If ever? And as I pointed out earlier, having a class system in England, savage barbaric wars, sending little boys up chimneys, convicts to penal colonies, uprooting rural communities, reducing the poor to become units of commodity in factories don’t add up to human rights or any notion that all men and women should be treated equally.
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The reason that all of these things are well-known is that there were so many reformers in the Victorian West. Pretending that these problems were unique to the West is ludicrous. For instance, child labor is not an issue in the West any longer–but it certainly is in the Muslim world.
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And your leaders are clever and cunning, having seen that modern ideas of human rights, fair pay and conditions make it uneconomical for them, so they have sent such jobs to 3rd world countries using middle men to cover up their shameful abuse of human rights. This is the blight of your western civilisation, that you have costed everything to the last nanocent and nanosecond and in the process reduce many people to nothing but commodities to be traded and sold. And your claim that they have said they are sorry, so that’s the end of the matter is irrelevant as they are sill doing it by subterfuge. And why do you people feel the need to denigrate SJW, environmentalists etc? Many of them are decent people fighting for poor exploited people everywhere. Isn’t that a lot better than some of you who only know how to come here and vent spite?
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Actually, opportunity and income have improved in most places where Western factories have located–this should not surprise–the same thing happened during the Industrial Revolution.
If conditions were really worse than in local businesses, then they would never get any workers. But the fact is that these jobs are often much better. And there would not in most cases be any question of worker’s rights if this were not already a Western concept.
As for SJW, some are for worker’s rights–but most are not. Much of this is just identity politics–including that which allows for stealth Jihad., No surprise that kuriakose is a big fan.
kuriakose says
Your claim that Greeks are western is debatable. Straddling the mid part, the claim is not really
validated. Plus scholars have also postulated that Greek civilisation is part of other cultures like Egyptian, eg
For centuries, scholars have identified the Greek culture as the source of the western civilisation. But what if the Greek culture itself was a legacy – a colony – of the ancient Egyptians?
by Philip Coppens ( https://www.eyeofthepsychic.com/egyptgreece/)
What evidence do you have that the Greeks invented everything by themselves? You are only making a claim no scholars dare to verify. Lost in the mists of time, how can anyone say for sure? Eg look at this: Ancient Greece, the Middle East and an ancient cultural internet –
.. The ancient Greek world is being recast from an isolated entity to one of many hybrid cultures in Africa and in the East ( https://www.theguardian.com/education/2013/jul/11/ancient-greece-cultural-hybridisation-theory )
No doubt this is theory, but as knowledge increases, as we apply sophisticated methodolgy, we can get a better picture now than say, 20 years ago. So I do not how your assertions can be valid.
As to strawman arguments, you have not really answered why you westerners are in China, raking in the shekels together with the Chinese, tycoons, and yet your governments try to smear the Chinese. And tell me what is the point of an apology when your governments are exploiting the third world in many ways?
Women’s rights? Took a long long time before it finally filtered through, notwithstanding the much vaunted Judeo Christian ethics. In Malaysia, women got the same pay lbefore parts of the West, like Australia. It was evolution of human thought really, when Christians and people with a conscience reflected on Bibilical teachings or maybe ideas of justice. You can search throughout history and you will find enlightened rulers who gave just and humane laws. Eg the emperor Asoka who was involved in bloody wars, then felt remorse and shame and became a humane and just ruler. Here is one example: Ashoka’s rock edicts declare that injuring living things is not good, and no animal should be sacrificed for slaughter. However, he did not prohibit common cattle slaughter or beef eating.
He imposed a ban on killing of “all four-footed creatures that are neither useful nor edible”, and of specific animal species including several birds, certain types of fish and bulls among others. He also banned killing of female goats, sheep and pigs that were nursing their young; as well as their young up to the age of six months. He also banned killing of all fish and castration of animals during certain periods such as Chaturmasa and Uposatha.
Long before you westerners learnt to treat animals well. Even today, although progresss has been made problems exist, eg in greyhound racing: …RSPCA Australia considers that there are significant and entrenched animal welfare problems inherent in the greyhound racing industry. These include problems with over-supply, injuries, physical overexertion, inadequate housing, lack of socialisation and environmental enrichment, training, illegal live baiting, administration of banned or unregistered substances, export and the fate of unwanted greyhounds (high wastage and high euthanasia rates).
I have a lot more to say but will leave it for another post. You have not addressed many of my concerns.
And please try to understand that many civilisations got stymied because of enemies invading and internal instability, eg the Hindu civilisation. Many great advances were made in the Hindu civilisatin, eg mathematics. Please read this to have a better understanding: https://www.raymondibrahim.com/2019/04/19/evil-medieval-christians-or-islams-victims-retaliating/
But making silly attacks on the Chinese as if you are superior is plain shameful. As I said, I have taught Chinese and Australian students, and I can tell you that the majority of Australian students are not interested in studying, do not value education, and have little real knowledge of the world.
Demeaning others just shows you have some kind of superiority complex.
Why mock christianblood for instance when he correctly points out that your government has been in bed with Saudi Arabia since oil was discovered there?
Wellington says
kuriakose: Man, where to begin? First of all, you have bought into the nonsense of Afrocentrism which was destroyed by Mary Lefkowitz’ 1996 work, Not Out Of Africa. Moreover, there is no solid evidence that Plato even traveled to Egypt let alone spent 13 years there. This is just more Afrocentric revisionism which is NOT supported by evidence.
I really don’t need to go on. If you think Malaysia compares to what the West developed over centuries regarding women’s rights (and especially in the last two hundred years), there is little hope for you. An equal pay amount here, an Asoka there, and sometimes treating animals well in Asia, et al., DOES NOT add up to what you think it does. I suggest you read a non-Westerner’s account of the West, i.e. Why The West Is Best by Ibn Warraq.
You have much to learn but I don’t think you’ll going to learn it, including the ancient Greeks being the first to make the decision to understand the universe with the mind alone (and thus philosophy was born with the Milesian School beginning around 620 B.C.), something the ancient Egyptians never did, always tying their thinking processes as they did with a religious outlook, which is not philosophy. As for democracy beginning in Egypt, that is just more academic horseshit. Democracy began in ancient Athens with the sixth century B.C. reforms of Solon and Cleisthenes. Enough for now.
gravenimage says
The Greeks themselves respected ancient Egypt, but there was never an Egyptian Socrates, Aristotle, or Plato–nor an Egyptian Praxiteles.
And the claim that Muslim women in Malaysia–where 90% of them have suffered FGM and where marital rape is legal, and where child marriage is rife, have more rights than do Western women is just grotesque.
And the idea that Westerners continuing to work for animal welfare somehow means that the the West has the worst treatment of animals is either dishonest or grotesquely misunderstands the process of fighting for rights.
There is no such work being done in most of the non-Western world at all–including China–and Dar-al-Islam is generally the worst of all.
Mac-101 says
kuriakose, I believe you are much too sensitive. The majority do NOT look down on Chinese. Any honest person would have to admit that Chinese/Asians are the second most intelligent people in the world. Their ability to work unselfishly to death and their dedication to the Collective will make them the Ruler of the 21st Century. Once the Chi-Coms gain their Total Dominance of the World with the major assistance of our Bankster Elites in the West, Western Civilization as we know it will be extinguished.
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This that survive will be livin in a 1984 on da Animal Planet in the Brave New World. It ain’t gonna be Purdy. The Future of the World belongs to da Chi-Coms. G-d help us!
kuriakose says
Mac-101:
Your assertion that you can ascribe intelligence to race is ludicrous to say the least.
Also let me remind you the tone of those comments were really offensive. Civilisations that were arrested for various reasons (invasions, disease, etc) will need time to adjust and bounce back. The Chinese had a horrible time under the Communists, and they will need time to readjust, especially considering their autocratic regimes. But look at how quick they have bounced back in terms of science and technology! Eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_Nobel_laureates.
Also just look at scientific papers being published, how many of them are no Caucasian?-Indian, Chinese, Japanese etc
American Indian saying: Judge not a man till you have walked a mile in his moccassins.
Chinese proverb: The taller the bamboo grows, the lower it bends. (I’m sure you can understand that).
I am not a Chinese, but I have to voice my disapproval on behalf of my Chinese friends. You will only alienate those who could prove invaluable against islam and other froms of tyranny.
gravenimage says
One can–and those in the West do–admire the accomplishments of Chinese culture without wanting to live under the horrors of Maoism.
One can also recognize the shortcomings of Western history while still understanding that Western culture has created the freest, most innovative, and just societies in the history of the world.
For many of us, this means that we want to not just work to improve the West further and help her realize her full potential, but also to protect her from the ravages of Communism and Islam–just as we did from Fascism in the past.
Even though kuriakose lives in the West and reaps the benefits of doing so, just like Muslims he seems to *hate* the West. What is he even doing here at Jihad Watch? It certainly is not opposing Jihad and Shari’ah.
Kepha says
@Mac and others: If you mean the Jews when you speak of the smartest people on the planet, then the Far Eastern peoples, then the Whites, I demur. I’ve known plenty of stupid Jews and stupid Chinese, even if I respect both cultures. I have met highly gifted black people and Latinos who were clearly more indigenous than Iberian.
But I certainly agree with most here that Islam is a degenerative force in history; matched, perhaps, or even surpassed, by Marxism-Leninism.
Mac-101 says
When on looks at aptitude scores and even raw achievement, no one group exceeds Jews or Orientals in their educational development and advancement in the USA. Many Asians come to the USA without bein able to speak English and within a couple years win ALL the Science awards and spelling Bs in Grade school and High school! End up with well over a 4.0!
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If nothin else look at the Nobel Science award winners. They are ALL well over represented. Of course there are stupid people among ALL of us, just look at me. But the Bell curve does NOT lie!
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It is a shame that Cali and other Institutions have to discriminate against Asians. If they did not combined with Affirmative Action their would be NO white students in the Ivy League schools!
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I’m ALL for just the smartest attend regardless of pigmentation or gender. Let ALL Pigs be Equal. No Pig should be more Equal than another other than discrimination by ABILITY! !
OLD GUY says
China and Russia need to be aware that Iran and its Islamic leadership are not to be trusted. Iran and its leadership want to take over both Russia and China as they are infidels and must be destroyed by Islamic teachings of the Koran. China, Russia and America have the ability to stabilize the world if they would come together and work on peace and improving the lives of people all over the world. The defense budgets of the three countries alone could improve the living conditions of millions across the world. And the combined military might could force the radical dictators to change their treatment of citizens. The economic advantage to all countries would be substantial open markets and fair trade would create a better life for mankind.
Mac-101 says
Amen. Ever wonder why the Donkeys wants to make Russia Enemy Number ONE while they sucked as much money they could from them?
somehistory says
The NYT is reporting that the U.S. is using cyber tech to mess around with Russia’s power grid.
Angemon says
NYT = reverse Rachel Maddow?
somehistory says
ttps://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/15/us/politics/trump-cyber-russia-grid.html
“A heating power plant in Moscow. Officials described the move into Russia’s grid and other targets as a classified companion to more publicly discussed action directed at Moscow’s disinformation and hacking units around the 2018 midterm elections.”
Credit
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Maxim Shemetov/Reuters
gravenimage says
“Russians Have Learned How to Hack Power Grids”
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2016-01-07/russians-have-learned-how-to-hack-power-grids
joanofark06 says
I had do a search for that title, as NYTimes won’t let you read their articles, unless you PAY for it! (I’m not sure if they give you a few free ones, and after that, you pay)
Anyone, going down my search list, the next one was from Bloomberg dot com, and I guess I shouldn’t of been surprised, but they had they exact same article, from the NYTimes…and so I couldn’t read that one either.
Next was the same article from NPR dot com…AAhhh….there we are, I can read the whole article (and archive it)! So is NPR not part of the “mainstream”? Hmmm..
Anyway, here is the WHOLE article, if anyone wants to read it, BUT I must say, I’d have to question the TRUTH of this article, seeing how it originally came from MAINSTREAM news, and they do love to LIE! (Although I have a very few articles, from them myself). So take this news, with a grain of salt, so to speak….or….don’t believe everything you hear (or read). Needs more evidence!!
Russia Hacked U.S. Power Grid — So What Will The Trump Administration Do About It?
https://www.npr.org/2018/03/23/596044821/russia-hacked-u-s-power-grid-so-what-will-the-trump-administration-do-about-it
kuriakose says
joanofark: Anything that denigrates the Russians is taken as gospel truth by some people. They seem to think we are dumb enough to acept the fake news that is the mainstream media. Go to the internet, eg https://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/12/31/fake-news-the-russians-did-not-hack-the-u-s-power-grid
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/report-vermont-power-grid-infiltrated-by-russian-hackers/
https://www.rt.com/usa/372598-washington-post-russian-hackers/
https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2017/01/02/wapo-admits-russia-didnt-hack-us-electrical-grid/
What we have is the oposite really-US attacking Russia’s grid:
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/06/16/us-attacks-russias-power-grid-trump-kept-dark
Wath the lies spewing from GI…….
Angemon says
kuriakose posted:
“Anything that denigrates the Russians is taken as gospel truth by some people.”
Much to the contrary – there’s (relaitvely) a lot of people here who take anything that denigrates the US as gospel, routinely taking wackjob conspiracy theory sites as seriously as the muslims take the quran. You know, sites like Russia Today, AntiWar.com, etc. For them, jihad is not a religious obligation but the arabic word for “blowback”. “9/11? That was the CIA and Mossad, not muslims. Also, it was muslims, but that’s because the US poked the hornet’s nest and deserved everything it got.”
“Go to the internet, eg ”
QED
gravenimage says
kuriakose wrote:
Wath (sic) the lies spewing from GI
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The above story has been covered by the NYT, Reuters, The Washington Post, Bloomberg, NPR, PBS, Wired, Forbes, and others–news sources from across the political spectrum.
Snopes just deals with the case of single a Vermont energy company, and then only calls this “mostly false”, acknowledging that “Malware found on a laptop belonging to an organization responsible for maintaining a Vermont power grid was reportedly similar or identical to that used by Russian hackers.”
Then he cites “Anti-War.com”–a site run by a 9/11 Truther who hates any defense against Jihad. Very telling.
kuriakose says
Angemon, by the same token, why would we accept your western news as gospel truth? If anything, one would look at all the angles as per these different perspectives, etc, then only one would try and see the possible truth. Even then one would be foolhardy to say QED.
As to snopes, perhaps some people do not understand the meaning of ‘fact check’.
Could you show me where RT says jihad is blowback? Then we can discuss this issue a bit more intelligently.
Angemon says
kuriakose posted:
“Angemon, by the same token, why would we accept your western news as gospel truth?”
Did I told you to do that?
“If anything, one would look at all the angles as per these different perspectives, etc, then only one would try and see the possible truth.”
I’ll just remind you of what you said a few posts before:
Apparently, “look at all the angles as per these different perspectives” only applies to others and when it comes to them accepting what you post…
“As to snopes, perhaps some people do not understand the meaning of ‘fact check’.”
Snopes has major credibility problems, but that’s not important right now.
“Could you show me where RT says jihad is blowback?”
As soon as a) you stop trying to put words in my mouth and b) come on record saying that RT never presented islamic terrorism as blowback to US actions. Which, I suspect, you’ll never do – if you do and I prove you’re wrong, then you come across as very ignorant or outright dishonest. The thing is, if you don’t, then it’s safe to assume you know they did.
gravenimage says
+1
ATBOTL says
The Muslims that are attacking the West are Sunnis, not Shiites like Iran.
Real nationalists don’t have a problem with Iran. Neocons want America to attack Iran on behalf of Israel and they don’t care that Americans will die. This is Iraq all over again.
Shame on Jihad Watch for promoting neocon propaganda designed to start a war that is against America’s and the West’s interests. This phony false flag is being used to distract conservatives from Trump’s total failure to control the border.
Angemon says
What are you talking about? Iran has a long history of supporting terrorism against the US. Where do you think the slogan “death to America” came from? FYI, shia and sunni put aside their divergencies when it comes to kill infidels – Iran supported, and supports, sunni terror groups, including al-qaeda.
Any American who doesn’t have a problem with Iran, a nation with a long history of aggression on the US and its allies, can not be a nationalist – what kind of nationalist “doesn’t have a problem” with an enemy who swore death on your nation?
gravenimage says
Uh…right. Yes, that “Death to America!” is a term of endearment, and the Iranians taking US Embassy personnel hostage for 444 days was their just being nice–as is, one supposes, there attacks in the Gulf. Try again…
Really, Sunni and Shia Muslims have their differences, but they agree on targeting the “filthy Infidels”.