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CNN hits Jihad Watch for publishing “content critical of Islam”

Jun 24, 2019 12:00 pm By Robert Spencer

Within the space of two days, Jihad Watch has been hit by both CNN and the New York Times. I’m both amazed and amused that these media giants are so deeply threatened by this modest website, but the fact that they are is yet another indication that the establishment media sees one of its primary duties to be shielding Islam (not Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, or any other faith) from criticism, and doing everything it can to ensure that no one thinks that the crimes committed in the name of Islam and in accord with its teachings have anything to do with the religion itself.

CNN, reporting here on research done by a couple of far-Left think tanks and the Antifa factory that is Stanford University, claims that Jihad Watch is “known to spread disinformation or content critical of Islam.” Of course, they give no examples, because they can’t. We don’t spread disinformation: everything we say is documented and sourced. When a news item proves to be inaccurate, we take it down, as do the New York Times and CNN themselves. But what is chilling here, aside from CNN’s disinformation, is that it is criticizing us for publishing “content critical of Islam.” Is it illegal now to criticize Islam? It certainly has become something that few dare to do, as vilification, demonization, and ostracism are heaped upon all Islamocritics. But is CNN exercised about content critical of Christianity or any other religion? Of course not. That kind of content it would celebrate as free speech.

The fact that CNN — as well as the Leftist propagandists who carried out this “study” — blandly report that “content critical of Islam” is something reprehensible and to be stopped is an indication of how much the establishment media and political elites have already accepted the Sharia notion that Islam must not be criticized. This submission began nearly fifteen years ago, when newspapers all over the U.S. and Europe declined to reprint the Muhammad cartoons over which Muslims were rioting worldwide; the “journalists” who hailed “Piss Christ” and a dung-encrusted painting of the Virgin Mary suddenly discovered “respect” for religion.

Now, fifteen years later, the submission is nearly total. Even a little site like this one, posting accurate information about jihad violence, Sharia oppression, and Islamic doctrine is being targeted, and may soon be shut down. Totalitarian regimes have destroyed the freedom of speech before, and yes, it could happen here. However, totalitarian regimes also find that they can never manage to extinguish completely the desire for freedom that exists in every human heart. Official lies have prevailed before. But they never prevail in the long run.

Oh, and speaking of disinformation: the actual report about which CNN is writing states on page one: “Jihad Watch is run by Richard Spencer.” Are they really so careless as not to be able to distinguish between the names Richard and Robert, or are they deliberately trying to associate Jihad Watch with the neo-Nazi Richard Spencer in order to add weight to their defamation? Either way, this report is hardly a trustworthy source.

“Gab’s Islamophobic content draws from YouTube, Twitter, study finds,” by Chris Good, CNN, June 21, 2019 (thanks to Kamala):

New York (CNN Business)The fringe social media site Gab is a well-known home for far-right content, but a new study looks at how Islamophobic posts in particular pull from across the web and more traditional social media.

Gab, which promotes itself as an alternative platform that does not restrict its users’ speech — in contrast to mainstream platforms like Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube, which can ban users for hateful content — gained attention in the wake of the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting, after it was revealed the suspect had posted anti-Semitic content to the platform. (Interviewed by CNN after the Pittsburgh shooting, Gab CEO Andrew Torba said, “It disgusted me,” adding that he was “horrified to find out that this alleged terrorist was on our site.”)

The Anti-Defamation League has noted that Gab is often a home for users who have been banned from Twitter for their conduct; the site is among a set of fringe forums for political discussion known for inflammatory and far-right user posts.

In a new study, researchers looked at a dataset of posts on Gab and found YouTube and Twitter were the top domains to which Gab users linked in posts discussing Islam. Not all of the content from YouTube and Twitter was Islamophobic — some of it had little or nothing to do with Islam — but it was incorporated into Islamophobic posts on Gab.

Researchers from the German Marshall Fund, the Institute for the Future, Stanford University, and social media-mapping firm Graphika, found that of the more than 10 million posts on Gab leading up to the 2018 midterms (from July to October 2018), more than 188,000 contained keywords related to Islam or Muslim-American political candidates (indicating fewer than 2% of Gab posts contained Islam-related keywords).

They found that 27% of those posts involved derogatory terms and that even posts that didn’t use derogatory terms were “often defamatory and demonizing.” Researchers also found sites such as jihadwatch.org and others known to spread disinformation or content critical of Islam in the dataset.

The German Marshall Fund offered CNN an opportunity to review the study before its publication.

“There is a difference between condoning content and allowing content. We do not condone Islamophobia,” a Gab representative said, when asked for comment about Islamophobic content on the platform by CNN. “However, as long as any content is protected by the First Amendment, it will be allowed on Gab.”…

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  1. Mike says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 12:07 pm

    the elephant in the room can’t been seen by CNN and the NYT

    • mortimer says

      Jun 24, 2019 at 2:46 pm

      The Leftards want the Muslims to do the dirty job of destroying Western culture and removing the freedom of expression so they may make propaganda without any contradictory messages and impose one-party rule.

      • TruthWFree says

        Jun 24, 2019 at 5:25 pm

        The Muslims will eat them for lunch.

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 24, 2019 at 6:47 pm

          Yes, they will. Just look at the fate of the Communist Tudeh Party in Iran after the Islamic revolution. As soon as the Mullahs consolidated their power, they started savagery liquidating their former allies.

    • Keith Smith says

      Jun 25, 2019 at 2:11 pm

      The elephant in the room could be sitting on their HEADS and they would still miss it.

  2. Jaladhi says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 12:16 pm

    Elephants keep on waking while the dogs keep barking!! It has no affect on the elephant – Jihadwatch.org!! LOL…

  3. Paul N Silas says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 12:17 pm

    Mr. Spencer, I sincerely hope that you and your staff has good security in place. Maybe even a “Party Popper” of two for you and your Family’s protection.

  4. lebel says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 12:25 pm

    “Within the space of two days, Jihad Watch has been hit by both CNN and the New York Times. I’m both amazed and amused that these media giants are so deeply threatened by this modest website”

    This modest website is winning or has already won the war of ideas. A majority of Americans/Westerners would likely agree with most of your published opinions on Islam. Also you’ve done a masterful job of cleaning up your tracks (and those of Hugh Fitzgerald) from the old website where calls for ethnic cleansing were fairly common. In other words these journalists have no idea that Jihadwatch is anti-Muslim and not just anti-Islam. They’re also too lazy and inept at research to cause you much harm, if anything more people will find out about you and get interested.

    You’re not done, your views are going to become more popular in the coming years.

    • Kay says

      Jun 24, 2019 at 12:47 pm

      libel, you accuse with no proof and no citations.
      Empty accusations are so tiresome.
      And do tell, why are you not concerned about the violence inflicted by Mohammedans on others?

      • lebel says

        Jun 24, 2019 at 2:24 pm

        Here’s some evidence, not that it’ll make any difference:

        Hugh Fitzgerald: “This kind of thing should be going on round-the-clock, and with expulsions en masse of all those who, in identifying themselves as Muslims, refuse to distance themselves from the Jihad-verses of the Qur’an, such as 9.5 and 9.29, and who can, therefore, legitimately be held to take such things as the literal word of God and hence, their unavoidable and immutable duty. Why bother to wait for enough evidence to prove a link, in this case, to terrorist groups or to illegal immigration rings? Why is that necessary? Isn’t taking the Qur’an as the literal word of God, with all that it contains, quite enough? No? Why not?

        • Robert Spencer says

          Jun 24, 2019 at 2:40 pm

          That is not a call for ethnic cleansing. That is a call for immigrants to be held to their oath to be loyal to the United States. Or I suppose you think a nation can survive harboring a massive number of traitors and saboteurs?

        • Kay says

          Jun 24, 2019 at 2:45 pm

          No call for ethnic cleansing in what you provided.

        • Raja says

          Jun 24, 2019 at 9:39 pm

          Lebel,

          You don’t seem to have any idea of ethnic cleansing. Are you trying to say that Islam is an ethnic group? you must be joking … ha ha..Ethnic cleanings have been done by states with or without the help of Islam even as Islam has always been busy building caliphate whether real or imaginary to subdue non-Muslims. Islamic think tank works very hard to that goal and Muslims of almost all shadess cheer that.

          There has to be “enough numbers” of “outsiders” or “unwanted elements” to do a cleansing job. Islam fits the bill because it treats non-Muslims with odious hatred and as such it is an avowed POLICY statement of Islam.At least they have been honest about it and the Left has not brains left to fear that.

    • Robert Spencer says

      Jun 24, 2019 at 12:49 pm

      “Also you’ve done a masterful job of cleaning up your tracks (and those of Hugh Fitzgerald) from the old website where calls for ethnic cleansing were fairly common.”

      That is, of course, a lie. We have never supported ethnic cleansing in any form.

      • mgoldberg says

        Jun 24, 2019 at 2:17 pm

        I’ve been reading the site for near it’s entire existence. I’ve never seen any call for violence let alone ethnic cleansing anywhere. Lebel however, seems to revel in lying.

        • lebel says

          Jun 24, 2019 at 2:28 pm

          Here’s two bonus ones for you, not that it’ll make any difference:

          Hugh Fitzgerald: “We should take pleasure in the spectacle of warfare, in any Muslim land, warfare that takes up the attention of the locals, and uses up not only their resources, but also, one hopes, the resources of their neighbors.”

          “The Western world should show no great interest in helping Saudi Arabia. It should be secretly delighted with each day’s news, the news that brings word not of Infidel casualties, but of Muslim casualties, inflicted by other Muslims.”

          We love when Muslims kill each other, nothing wrong with that and certainly not violent, got that Muslim?

        • Kay says

          Jun 24, 2019 at 3:01 pm

          That is not a all for violence. It is advocating nonintervention, to leave violent Muslims to themselves.

    • Wellington says

      Jun 24, 2019 at 12:51 pm

      “…where calls for ethnic cleansing were fairly common…”

      Examples please. And simply wanting to keep adherents of the worst religion in man’s history out of a free society is NOT an example of ethnic cleansing. Don’t want Marxists, skinheads, anarchists, Neo-Nazis, etc. immigrating to America and the West either. This is not about ethnicity, race or gender but rather about malevolent ideologies and Islam is the longest-lived (and best disguised) malevolent ideology of all time.

      • lebel says

        Jun 24, 2019 at 2:36 pm

        Examples abound, but they won’t make any difference because people will lie to protect jwatch (except a few honest jihadwatchers):

        “Why is that all so hard for Infidels to believe? Why do they keep refusing to understand this? Is it because if, once it is thoroughy understood, than all sorts of unpleasant possiblilities — including a serious discussion of large-scale removal of Muslims from Infidel countries — have to be seriously considered, and everyone is afraid to do that? Why? Benes and Masaryk in Czechoslovakia were not afraid. ”

        “The argument that “demography is destiny” has already lead to the asphyxiation of Christianity throughout the Arab Muslim world (except for Maronites and Copts); it will likely lead to the ultimate disappareance of Israel, and of any non-Muslim presence in the Holy Land, unless there is forceful removal of Muslims from that area (and why should one shirk from contemplating what has been an element of statecraft, and survival, since time began — cf. the removal of 3.5 million Germans from the Sudetenland by the “tolerant” Czech government post-WW II”

        Here is my prediction Wellington, people will reinterpret these passages as referring only to jihadis (or some other bullshit) and then move on to me as a supporter of jihadism for not wanting to deport jihadis. I am thinking of one your friends in particular.

        • mortimer says

          Jun 24, 2019 at 2:50 pm

          libellous lebel is a paid foreign agent who should be forensically audited by the FBI and IRS.

        • Wellington says

          Jun 24, 2019 at 3:00 pm

          lebel: You just don’t get it. It’s the ideology, stupid. It has NOTHING to do with ethnic cleansing.

          Am I skeptical of all Muslims even though many don’t fully implement the many heinous Islamic tenets that exist (e.g., death for apostasy)? Yes. Just as I was skeptical of ALL Communists during the Cold War even though many (e.g., those in the Italian Communist Party) did not want the violent elimination of the upper and middle classes as called for by Marxist theory. Again, it’s the ideology, stupid, and you either don’t get this because you’re dumb or you do get this and change the subject to ethnic cleansing because you are deceitful. There is no third choice.

        • James Lincoln says

          Jun 24, 2019 at 4:38 pm

          Wellington,

          Excellent reply to lebel – spot on.

          I think he’s either a Muslim or Muslim apologist…

        • CRUSADER says

          Jun 24, 2019 at 7:31 pm

          Just as well, it is also the Stupid Ideology!!

        • Norger says

          Jun 24, 2019 at 8:41 pm

          @lebel

          You are tiresome. Talk about “cherry picking” and taking things out of context. I’ve been a regular reader and semi-regular poster on this site for years and have never understood “ethnic cleansing” as an objective of Mr. Spencer.Moreover, Whenever a poster advocates violence against Muslims, the more learned posters here (and there are many) will generally call that person to task.

          What say you about the stated objective of this site; to undertake an intellectually honest analysis of the connection between Islamic theology and terrorism? Are you going to pretend that CNN or the NYT EVER do this? Speaking of ugly ethnic/religious prejudice though, you’re obviously on this site a lot, ever troubled at all by Islamic theology/the ravings of jihadists, 9/11, Boston, London, Paris etc. etc. etc.? Do you really think the current “see no Islam approach”the MSM and our political leaders take is working? In all seriously, do you concede that Islamic terrorism is a problem? What solution do YOU propose?

          The main reason I am regular reader on the site is because I believe that Islam represents an existential threat to our way of life and that, for starters, such a threat needs to be discussed openly and honestly. The likes of CNN will never do this.

    • Angemon says

      Jun 24, 2019 at 2:52 pm

      “Also you’ve done a masterful job of cleaning up your tracks (and those of Hugh Fitzgerald) from the old website where calls for ethnic cleansing were fairly common. ”

      Huh, what? JW staff never called for ethnic cleansing. In fact, they’ve removed posts who called for that, and even banned recurring offenders.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 24, 2019 at 6:54 pm

      The dishonest lebel wrote:

      Also you’ve done a masterful job of cleaning up your tracks (and those of Hugh Fitzgerald) from the old website where calls for ethnic cleansing were fairly common.
      ……………………..

      What “old website” would that be? If lebel is referring to Dhimmi Watch, this was merged with Jihad Watch, not deleted.

      One has easy access to any story at these sites on the right-hand side of the page, dating back to 2003.

      • Ecosse1314 says

        Jun 25, 2019 at 11:53 am

        Very very true GI.Maybe libel might like to tell us about these websites and how they have been cleaned up.
        No matter he has chucked his grenades and will now disapear for a while till he reappears with more lies and distortions.

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 26, 2019 at 7:17 pm

          True, Ecosse1314.

  5. Kay says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 12:27 pm

    This CNN report reads like a defense of censorship. Everyone who reads it— not only JW readers— should be alarmed.
    For one thing, there is the attempt at guilt by association because of the synagogue bomber’s use.
    Secondly, the phrase “disinformation or islamophobia” is another attempt at association by proximity.
    The report that misses Robert’s name is at best sloppy.
    These people are journalists. They know what they’re doing. Why they don’t have an ethic of finding and reporting truth is beyond me and deeply troubling.

    • alex says

      Jun 24, 2019 at 7:29 pm

      “Today on CNN, we will have an interview with movie actor Richard De Niro, and also review a new book about President Robert Nixon and Watergate /sarc/”

      I think that maybe a year ago, there was some poltician who also mixed up Robert Spencer with Richard Spencer, and Robert called her out on it, but she didn’t even bother to apologize.

      Also,some of the folks at CNN at times act like amateurish, first-year college journalists for student newspapers.

  6. Renate says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 12:41 pm

    Maybe you have to follow the money to see who is paying CNN and the New York Times to protect Islam.

  7. Wellington says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 12:43 pm

    David v. two Goliaths. I’m betting on David because David has truth on his side, neither Goliath does, and truth is a very powerful and constant ally.

    Man, has the MSM become simply terrible. It is kind to the cruel and treacherous and cruel to the kind and noble.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 24, 2019 at 6:55 pm

      Grimly true, Wellington.

    • Carol the 1st says

      Jun 26, 2019 at 5:02 pm

      Robert Spencer has said as much – that when truth is on your side the fight is naturally much easier (I believe he states this in the video below). So let the man speak for himself – it’s a candid interview of 1 1/2 hrs and LEBEL should watch it and see if his brain can find anything to nitpick/distract about (while his dog in the race – the Islamic jihad – carries on over his numb skull):

      Robert Spencer & Apostate Prophet: Countering Global Jihad

  8. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 1:33 pm

    … a couple of far-Left think tanks and the Antifa factory that is Stanford University, claims that Jihad Watch is “known to spread disinformation or content critical of Islam.” Of course, they give no examples…

    Of course not, one doesn’t do that in order to propagate fake news. And from fake news comes fake history, a phenomenon that can leave a whole society flying blind, which we are, now, and have been for the last 20 years. Spencer getting beat up by the NYT and Antifa is about maintaining the fictive opinion bubble surrounding Islam. A similar example is Diana West getting beat up from all sides for her work on the world’s other world-takeover belief system called Communism.

    • KWJ says

      Jun 24, 2019 at 7:53 pm

      Of course JW is critical of Islam-that’s the point. There are centuries worth of books and writings by non-Muslims, Muslims and former Muslims. Not much has changed. Everyone from scholars in India to our President James Madison would be called “Islamophobic.”

      What is treacherous about the New York Times And CNN is that they are giving cover for Islam despite the millions of people who have suffered and still suffer from it. These are just propaganda outlets. They apparently crave totalitarianism and censorship. They have become anti-intellectual.

      When is the last time they’ve had an article by a former Muslim or a Muslim critical of sharia law? What about the million or so Iranians who left Iran when Ayatollah Khomeini and later mullahs came into power? Are they concerned about the effects of Islam on ordinary Muslims in Pakistan? Have they studied about the Muslim Brotherhood, their means of infiltration, that jihad always has the option of being violent to spread Islam, and they can watch plenty of clerics saying that.

      They also like to say anti-Islam people are far right when I’m hardly that nor are plenty of ex-Muslims. Closer to the Far Right are practicing Muslims who are socially conservative. Islam is supremacist, racist (and black people in the Middle East are severely lacking and you can watch black Africans Muslims on YouTube complaining about discrimination and being called abdee (and) slave.

      The Qur’an 3:28 and other verses tell Muslims not to be friends or helpers with non-Muslims. At-Tabari’s tafsir explains that further: that when Muslims are under the rule of infidels, be friendly but keep animosity in your heart for them. Who can you trust?

      It’s a sickening agenda that major media is sinking this low and is siding with their would-be oppressors. If they keep it up they will be consigning the young to a life lacking the freedoms they’ve enjoyed. (Add climate change measures to that too.)

      The media must be scared of their overlords because there is no good excuse for them to be this stupid. That’s besides them wanting to make money. They are cowards and hence dhimmis. They too like elite leaders and globalists are letting themselves and our nation be humiliated. When they use the word Islamophobia they are bending over and taking it…To Muslims who support Islamic law and jihadi, which is Islamic expansionism, it please the Muslims that the NYT and CNN submits to the will of Allah. Blasphemy laws are one step.

      It must cause a twisted cognitive dissonance to go to work every day and know you have to lie and then try to suppress the free speech of others who care about human rights more than you do. It says a lot about their character.

      One can’t worry about hurting people’s feelings or offending them. Things didn’t progress by trying not to offend people. There’s also plenty of evidence that Islam doesn’t give one whit about infidels’ feelings. Just look around. Look at the disaster of Europe. By the way, why don’t we have blasphemy laws anymore? Duh.

      • Raja says

        Jun 24, 2019 at 10:01 pm

        Great comments…KWJ

  9. jarmanray says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 1:34 pm

    Every time that an act of violence against the cult of the pedophilic mass murdering monster occurs, it is on the front pages of all newspapers, CNN, etc. while over two thousand Nigerian Christians are slaughtered and they are so silent. What if a member of the Southern Baptist church threw an eighty year old Muslim lady out of her fifth floor window after killing her? CNN and MSNBC television incubus like hosts and guests would shed enough crocodile tears to float the Ark while they did not even use a drop of ink or one second of air space to report the tragedy of an elderly Jewish lady, who endured the Holocaust, was thrown out of her window after being slaughtered by a Muslim in Germany. And, speaking of double standards, what if Six Flags shut down its amusement center to all except Jewish people for an event celebrating the end of Passover? CAIR and its media friends would rant and call for riots.

    Mister Spencer, et al, please keep up the fantastic work and God bless.

    • Raja says

      Jun 24, 2019 at 1:56 pm

      Jarmanray,

      You have very well exposed how the media is all screwed up.through abject bias and it is lamentable that they have no standards in their job. Sometimes they act like thugs and want to shield the thuggery of Islam. What a shame…

      The CNN , BBC and other establishment media giants have long outlived their utility.

      I hope they pay for their deeds.

    • James Lincoln says

      Jun 24, 2019 at 4:46 pm

      I remember when CNN first launched – and was at least watchable!

      No more, not for a long time…

  10. ConnectingDots says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 1:45 pm

    AT&T shareholders should encourage the company to sell CNN, which it got as part of the purchase of Time Warner (renamed to WarnerMedia after the purchase).

    • Carol the 1st says

      Jun 26, 2019 at 6:04 pm

      Wasn’t it Time-Life that purchased and withheld the Zapruder video of the JFK assassination from the American public for decades? It was only tenacious people like Mark Lane and his Rush to Judgment that kept the matter in the public eye.

  11. Roland says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 2:24 pm

    The Wall Street Journal recently censored my critical, but factual, comments about Islam and George Soros. WSJ is published by the Dow Jones Company, a division of News Corp. There are fewer venues for the truth today.

    • James Lincoln says

      Jun 24, 2019 at 4:49 pm

      Fox at least makes an attempt to find the truth – but backs off when the stove gets a little too hot…

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 24, 2019 at 6:58 pm

        Agreed, Roland and James.

  12. Deb Chatterjee says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 2:26 pm

    When the Rohingy trouble began, CNN claimed it was Buddhist terrorism. They are fake news and promote terrorism.

  13. Ren says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 2:33 pm

    CNN hits Jihad Watch because Jihad Watch has perhaps a larger audience than CNN.

  14. Angemon says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 2:36 pm

    Within the space of two days, Jihad Watch has been hit by both CNN and the New York Times.

    That’s the standard MO – remember the Adpocalypse.

  15. jewdog says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 2:40 pm

    Being cited by these publications means that you’ve arrived. It’s a case of uncomfortable truth making its painful way under their skin and giving them an itch. They are very broad-minded intellectuals, as long as you agree with them.

    • James Lincoln says

      Jun 24, 2019 at 4:50 pm

      +1

  16. mortimer says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 2:43 pm

    Today even most Muslims reject many things about Islam … most Muslims criticize something about Islam.

    Muslims themselves are ‘Islamophobic’. Thus the term is somewhat absurd.

    Today’s Muslims are starting to open their minds … evidence? examples? … even Saudi Arabia relented on women driving. Many Muslim countries have banned face covers.

  17. lebel says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 2:46 pm

    “That is not a call for ethnic cleansing. That is a call for immigrants to be held to their oath to be loyal to the United States. Or I suppose you think a nation can survive harboring a massive number of traitors and saboteurs?”

    Right is that what you call the “large-scale removal of Muslims from Infidel countries “?

    • Angemon says

      Jun 24, 2019 at 2:55 pm

      Dude, from your very own quote:

      than all sorts of unpleasant possiblilities — including a serious discussion of large-scale removal of Muslims from Infidel countries

      Unpleasant possibilities. Hardly a “call for ethnic cleansing”.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 24, 2019 at 7:08 pm

      Islam is an ideology–like Fascism–it is *not* an ethnicity. What claptrap.

    • Carol the 1st says

      Jun 26, 2019 at 6:48 pm

      Lebel…The “large scale removal of muslims from infidel countries” happened in India e.g. Pakistan got a chunk of India. Someone here recently posted an excellent Youtube video that revealed fully his considered and written opinions about the effect of people whose minds have been affected by Islam. This is a man many Indians consider far greater than Ghandi or Nehru. Here’s the title:

      BR Ambedkar on Islam and Islamic Society-An Excerpt from his Book Pakistan or Partition of India

  18. Charles says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 2:53 pm

    Dear Robert,

    CNN and NY Times are not criticizing your site based on principle, or facts, Rather, they are doing the bidding of their very rich religious patrons. They no longer publish based on real journalism, but have become corporation platforms for well capitalized lobby interests. A $10,000,000 advertising spread will sell an op-ed that will tout the peaceful nature of Quranic verses. They will suggest for independent women to go solo-hiking in the Atlas Mountains of Morocco, (as a major British publication did). The corporate press could care less about facts, because having a large audience means influence, and that is what they sell to interested parties.

    Your enemies are far bigger and far more powerful than you. Thomas Payne once said of the bible that it was the most read, least examined book in history. I doubt he read the Quran and Hadith. John Adams and Thomas Jefferson certainly did. Are the “journalists” at the NY Times or CNN, illiterate? Lazy? or corrupted?…I imagine its a bit of all three. We should never mistreat Muslim Americans, I would agree. But Islam is a doctrine that can be read and criticized. Muhammad was a 7th century theological insurgent who used terrorism as a tactic of war. He exterminated or enslaved the Jewish and Christian tribes of the Arabian peninsula. The texts tell us how it was done. We become critics as a defense, because they continued treating the texts as immutable and the actions as exemplary. In other words, they conquered a massive empire in a never ending holy war against unbelief, that continues to this day. What is there not to criticize?

  19. CogitoErgoSum says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 2:58 pm

    The Left’s definition of “fair” is not the same as the Right’s definition of the word. Leftists think they were “screwed over” in the 2016 election and are doing everything they can to see that another “Trump situation” does not happen again in 2020. Google has a plan to implement “machine learning fairness” to promote its political and social engineering agenda. I have stopped using Google.

    See this video from Project Veritas:

    • CogitoErgoSum says

      Jun 25, 2019 at 11:28 am

      Of course, YouTube (which is controlled by Google) has now censored this video. For some reason I am unable to post an alternate link to it at Bitchute but you can find it there by doing a search for Project Veritas.

  20. lebel says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 2:58 pm

    “No call for ethnic cleansing in what you provided.”

    I know Kay, I know. Expulsions en masse of all those identifying themselves as Muslims, is NOT ethnic Muslims.

    Of course, expulsions en masse of jews (or any other group) IS ethnic cleansing. It’s really simple once you have decided that you will lie through your teeth to protect jihadwatch.

    how about the ” large-scale removal of Muslims from Infidel countries “? what do we call that?

    By the way, according to the disgusting international criminal court

    “(d) Deportation or forcible transfer of population;” is considered a crime against humanity. I know that for you the large scale removal of Muslims has absolutely NOTHING to do with deportation.

    https://www.icc-cpi.int/resource-library/documents/rs-eng.pdf

    • Kay says

      Jun 24, 2019 at 3:12 pm

      What do you know about me? Much less than you claim.
      I believe citizens should be patriotic, loyal to their country and work to make their country the best possible. People should not be allowed to enter America unless they will live by our laws. If they will not live by our laws, they should not stay. They should not be allowed citizenship unless they will be loyal to our country. Only citizens should vote.

      • lebel says

        Jun 24, 2019 at 3:25 pm

        Yes Kay, I am talking about advocating for the large-scale removal of Muslims from the West to which everyone assures me that it has NOTHING to do the large-scale removal of Muslims from the West. It’s every Muslim, that is everyone who identifies as Muslim is guilty. I know you understand English perfectly but your priority is defending Jihadwatch.

        You know what would magically get jihadwatchers to understand english again? if someone advocated “the large scale removal of jews” from the West. Then everyone on here would be singing a completely different tune.

        • Kay says

          Jun 24, 2019 at 3:35 pm

          Which of those individuals has refused to follow the laws of our country?
          Yes, following the laws and agreeing to follow the laws are what is significant.

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 24, 2019 at 7:13 pm

          What Jews are plotting violent Jihad? What false moral equivalency.

          Note that lebel does not say what, exactly, should be exempt from the threat of deportation. Is mass slaughter of Infidels a bridge too far? Not so he says…

  21. Sobieski says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 3:00 pm

    BREAKING NEWS…
    Matt Stone, Robert Lopez and Trey Parker literally made a Broadway Production out of mocking Mormonism. It won a Tony Award for Best Musical, and Drama Desk Award for Outstanding Musical. Tickets are still selling for $149.50.

    New York Times loves it!

    Oh, and Robert Spencer maintains a website critical of Islam.

    What!!!!!???? CALL THE POLICE! ARREST THIS MAN!!!!

  22. Angemon says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 3:05 pm

    Heads up: this is not the first time lebel tries to imply that Jihad Watch has called for “ethnic cleansing”:

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/01/quebec-cops-now-say-alexandre-bissonnette-sole-suspect-in-allahu-akbar-shooting-at-mosque#comment-1607587

    lebel says
    Jan 30, 2017 at 8:08 pm

    At this point it looks like someone who has been reading stuff from the anti-Muslim movement (Islam is evil, all Muslim are evil and the ones that are nice are practicing taqqiya etc) and took the next logical step. ie Forced removal of the evil before a critical mass is reached.

    In addition to comments such as:

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/12/netherlands-on-day-wilders-convicted-of-hate-speech-muslim-arrested-with-loaded-ak-47-and-islamic-state-flag#comment-1570807

    we’re constantly told that this site has nothing to do with racism but when the time comes to condemn one of your own for clearly racist statement about Moroccans then things change.

    Thats OK, no surprise Robert.

    In short: lebel has consistently posted this kind of nonsense – should come as no surprise that now, with the media spotlights turned on JW’s direction, he decided to double down and enter overdrive mode…

    • lebel says

      Jun 24, 2019 at 3:35 pm

      “Heads up: this is not the first time lebel tries to imply that Jihad Watch has called for “ethnic cleansing”

      Of course, that’s not exactly hidden. And of course, that’s what Jihadwatch did until the “cleanup”. All those posts are gone

      • Angemon says

        Jun 24, 2019 at 3:39 pm

        “ And of course, that’s what Jihadwatch did until the “cleanup”.”

        Or so you say.

        “All those posts are gone”

        Then, exactly, where are you quoting from?

        • lebel says

          Jun 24, 2019 at 4:02 pm

          I took screenshots and copied posts like many others who are critical of RS’s position.

        • Angemon says

          Jun 24, 2019 at 5:14 pm

          So, basically, all we have is your word – the word of someone who is trying to fit a round peg on a square hole. Got it.

          P.S.: What you leave out in your “what if it were Jews” idiocy is the following: Jews aren’t murdering non-Jews and justifying it with what’s on the Torah. Or do you deny that islam is different from any other religion because it has a well defined doctrine of mandatory warfare against people of other religions because of their religion?

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 24, 2019 at 7:17 pm

          Comments threads are removed after a few years here–stories are not.

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 26, 2019 at 7:20 pm

          True, thebidW–but he of course will not.

      • sturandot13 says

        Jun 25, 2019 at 9:40 pm

        Since you seem to be operating from a position of ignorance about islam, if not downright deceit, let me enlighten you:

        These quotes are from their UN-holy book – the quran:

        2:191-193: “And slay them wherever you come upon them…”

        4:89: “They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of Allah; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper.”

        5:33: “This is the recompense of those who fight against Allah and His Messenger, and hasten about the earth, to do corruption there: they shall be slaughtered, or crucified, or their hands and feet shall alternately be struck off…”

        8:12: “When thy Lord was revealing to the angels, I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast into the unbelievers hearts terror; so smite above the necks, and smite every finger of them!”

        8:60: “Make ready for them whatever force and strings of horses you can, to terrify thereby the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides them that you know not; Allah knows them. And whatsoever you expend in the way of Allah shall be repaid you in full; you will not be wronged.”

        9:5: “Then, when the sacred months are drawn away, slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent, and perform the prayer, and pay the alms, then let them go their way; Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.”

        9:29: “Fight those who believe not in Allah and the Last Day and do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden — such men as practice not the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book — until they pay the tribute out of hand and have been humbled.”

        9:111: “Allah has bought from the believers their selves and their possessions against the gift of Paradise; they fight in the way of Allah; they kill, and are killed; that is a promise binding upon Allah in the Torah, and the Gospel, and the Koran; and who fulfills his covenant truer than Allah? So rejoice in the bargain you have made with Him; that is the mighty triumph.”

        9:123: “O believers, fight the unbelievers who are near to you; and let them find in you a harshness; and know that Allah is with the godfearing.”

        47:4: “When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then, when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds; then set them free, either by grace or ransom, till the war lays down its loads.”

        **************************************************************************
        From “An Explanatory Memorandum” – Muslim Brotherhood:

        “The process of settlement is a ‘Civilization-Jihadist Process’ with all the word means. The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and Allah’s religion is made victorious over all other religions…”

        *************************************************************************
        From the Muslim Brotherhood: “The Project”:

        Rather than focusing on terrorism as the sole method of group action, as is the case with Al-Qaeda, in perfect postmodern fashion the use of terror falls into a multiplicity of options available to progressively infiltrate, confront, and eventually establish Islamic domination over the West. The following tactics and techniques are among the many recommendations made in The Project:

        * Networking and coordinating actions between like-minded Islamist organizations;

        * Avoiding open alliances with known terrorist organizations and individuals to maintain the appearance of “moderation”;

        * Infiltrating and taking over existing Muslim organizations to realign them towards the Muslim Brotherhood’s collective goals;

        * Using deception to mask the intended goals of Islamist actions, as long as it doesn’t conflict with shari’a law;

        * Avoiding social conflicts with Westerners locally, nationally or globally, that might damage the long-term ability to expand the Islamist power base in the West or provoke a lash back against Muslims;

        * Establishing financial networks to fund the work of conversion of the West, including the support of full-time administrators and workers;

        * Conducting surveillance, obtaining data, and establishing collection and data storage capabilities;

        * Putting into place a watchdog system for monitoring Western media to warn Muslims of “international plots fomented against them”;

        * Cultivating an Islamist intellectual community, including the establishment of think-tanks and advocacy groups, and publishing “academic” studies, to legitimize Islamist positions and to chronicle the history of Islamist movements;

        * Developing a comprehensive 100-year plan to advance Islamist ideology throughout the world;

        * Balancing international objectives with local flexibility;

        * Building extensive social networks of schools, hospitals and charitable organizations dedicated to Islamist ideals so that contact with the movement for Muslims in the West is constant;

        * Involving ideologically committed Muslims in democratically-elected institutions on all levels in the West, including government, NGOs, private organizations and labor unions;

        * Instrumentally using existing Western institutions until they can be converted and put into service of Islam;

        * Drafting Islamic constitutions, laws and policies for eventual implementation;

        * Avoiding conflict within the Islamist movements on all levels, including the development of processes for conflict resolution;

        * Instituting alliances with Western “progressive” organizations that share similar goals;

        * Creating autonomous “security forces” to protect Muslims in the West;

        * Inflaming violence and keeping Muslims living in the West “in a jihad frame of mind”;

        * Supporting jihad movements across the Muslim world through preaching, propaganda, personnel, funding, and technical and operational support;

        * Making the Palestinian cause a global wedge issue for Muslims;

        * Adopting the total liberation of Palestine from Israel and the creation of an Islamic state as a keystone in the plan for global Islamic domination;

        * Instigating a constant campaign to incite hatred by Muslims against Jews and rejecting any discussions of conciliation or coexistence with them;

        * Actively creating jihad terror cells within Palestine;

        * Linking the terrorist activities in Palestine with the global terror movement;

        * Collecting sufficient funds to indefinitely perpetuate and support jihad around the world;

        In reading The Project, it should be kept in mind that it was drafted in 1982 when current tensions and terrorist activities in the Middle East were still very nascent. In many respects, The Project is extremely prescient for outlining the bulk of Islamist action, whether by “moderate” Islamist organizations or outright terror groups, over the past two decades.

        http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readarticle.aspx?artid=4476
        http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=4475

        EYESOPEN

  23. Lydia Church says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 3:21 pm

    CNN is the disinformation agent, what a hypocrite they are! But no surprise there. Another in the lineup of establishment media propaganda machines. The nazi’s did not appreciate the likes of Martin Niemoller or Dietrich Bonhoeffer either… look at it this way, you’ve arrived to the level of heroes like them for spreading the truth backed by facts and evidence, and doing so fearlessly! And all have faced personal risk for their outspoken views and never looked back.

    And right, they subtly make criticism of islam a crime… any form of islamocritic translates into ‘islamophobe’ for them, implying that there could not possibly be anything wrong with islam… thus bowing to the sharia blasphemy laws… etc.

    Well, we will criticize and we will not be silenced! One way or the other the truth will prevail.

    KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK ROBERT!

    We need to also get t-shirts that say:
    Heroes and defenders of the free world!
    I’m not kidding.
    : D
    So glad you are doing well!!!

  24. lebel says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 3:33 pm

    “That is not a all for violence. It is advocating nonintervention, to leave violent Muslims to themselves.”

    I know Kay, and what about being delighted at the news of Muslim casualties? how do you feel about that?

    By the way, Hugh advocated exploiting existing ethnic fissures not merely watching and enjoying civil war:

    “The only purpose that justified this effort would have been the purpose of weakening the Camp of Islam by exploiting the pre-existing sectarian (Sunni and Shi’a) and ethnic (Arab and Kurd) fissures within Iraq, that, if allowed to develop further, and if they could have effects, as they certainly would have, beyond the borders of Iraq, could do much to unsettle and weaken the Camp of Islam. And that would be a good thing.”

    “the only way to achieve that result is to stop dwelling on the “moderate Muslims” who supposedly can inherit Iraq, or at least take heart from its example, and instead, having a grimmer view of Islam, to regard the pre-existing fissures in Iraq as an an opportunity to be exploited, and not as an obstacle to be overcome.”

    go ahead and move the goalpost, I’m used to it.

    • Kay says

      Jun 24, 2019 at 3:38 pm

      I don’t know what your goalpost is or what you value.
      I simply stated and will state again that what you provided was not a call for violence.

      • lebel says

        Jun 24, 2019 at 3:44 pm

        “I simply stated and will state again that what you provided was not a call for violence.”

        Of course, because it is done against Muslims. Therefore it does not matter that I provided proof that Hugh is happy at the thought of Muslim death or that he proposes to increase and exploit ethnic and religious fissures to have more violence and keep the Muslims busy.

        • Kay says

          Jun 24, 2019 at 4:13 pm

          You have provided no proof of a call for ethnic cleansing or a call for violence.
          That you believe something is being “done to” Muslims is clear. Yet what it is that has been done or has been called for?
          My concerns are violence and censorship, both of which are against the laws of our country.

        • CogitoErgoSum says

          Jun 24, 2019 at 4:22 pm

          What kind of thoughts make Muslims happy? I am thinking that whatever makes Allah happy is what makes Muslims happy. See Quran 9:29 for what makes Allah happy and there you will see happiness defined as a dead or humiliated infidel stretched out in the dirt at the feet of a Muslim. (Isn’t it funny though that I do not find there the definition of Jizya — but it must be something that puts a smile on the face of a Muslim.)

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 24, 2019 at 7:21 pm

          As lebel would have it, Muslims slaughtering other Muslims is the fault of ‘filthy Islamophobes’. By the way, I am *not* happy to hear about this barbarism, but I also do not feel responsible for this Islamic savagery, as lebel implies we should.

          Note that he has *nothing* critical to say about Muslims waging violent Jihad–but then, why would he?

        • Norger says

          Jun 24, 2019 at 11:12 pm

          As an aside, didn’t the Obama administration deliberately attempt to exploit the “religious fissures” between the (Shia) Iranians and the ultra-orthodox Sunni ISIS forces, in the hopes that each would keep the other occupied/inflict casualties on the other? Wasn’t that why the Obama administration provided support to various Sunni proxies in Syria? By your logic, doesn’t that make Obama a “hate President?” Or was it OK for THAT administration to think/act in those terms?

          I have no problem with the likes of Iran and ISIS occupying their respective evil forces with each other; it certainly beats the hell out of the alternative.

          And BTW daily bloodletting between Shia and Sunni (“religious fissures” as you put it) is just another example of the ugly, dysfunctional mess that Islamic ideology produces.

  25. Thinker1 says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 5:46 pm

    In Doublespeak, Caca News and the Nother Yawn Times define hate speech as any speech that they hate. Usually, such speech conveys the truth.

  26. lebel says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 5:51 pm

    “You have provided no proof of a call for ethnic cleansing or a call for violence.
    That you believe something is being “done to” Muslims is clear. Yet what it is that has been done or has been called for?”

    Because no proof would satisfy you. Hugh Fitzgerald has called for the forced removal of all Muslims to which you reply that he has done no such thing. That is the height of dishonesty and only reinforces my overall point that this is a hate site.

    • CogitoErgoSum says

      Jun 24, 2019 at 6:10 pm

      What does Quran 9:29 call upon Muslims to do? How do you define “Jizya?”

    • Angemon says

      Jun 24, 2019 at 6:13 pm

      “Hugh Fitzgerald has called for the forced removal of all Muslims”

      According to you, that is – and you are working under the assumption that this is a “hate site”. Round peg, square hole, etc. – you start with the assumption that this is a “hate site” and work your way from there. Funny – that’s the sort of “logic” conspiracy theorists like to use: start from the conclusion you want to arrive to and just “figure out” the specifics…

      Anyway, it’s mildly amusing to see you shooting your own feet. First you claim that Hugh wrote:

      This kind of thing should be going on round-the-clock, and with expulsions en masse of all those who, in identifying themselves as Muslims, refuse to distance themselves from the Jihad-verses of the Qur’an, such as 9.5 and 9.29

      And now you’re claiming he called for the “forced removal of all muslims”. Not “all those who, in identifying themselves as Muslims, refuse to distance themselves from the Jihad-verses of the Qur’an, such as 9.5 and 9.29” (and even then, I’d like to see the whole text), just “all muslims”. Tsk tsk…

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 24, 2019 at 7:25 pm

      How does pointing out the atrocities of Islam make Jihad Watch as “hate site”?

      It seems that lebel does not want Infidels to even be able to talk about the threat of Islam–this is called Shari’ah law.

    • Norger says

      Jun 24, 2019 at 10:49 pm

      You, sir are the “height of dishonesty.” I’ve been a reader on this site for years and the first time I ever heard anything at all about calls on Jihad Watch for “expulsion” of Muslims was from YOU. Of course, if you had an intellectually honest bone in your body, you’d concede that wherever Islam becomes dominant, “ethnic cleansing” of non-Muslims follows.

      • lebel says

        Jun 25, 2019 at 3:08 am

        That’s just more blatant jwatch dishonesty as we have Hugh Fitzgerald explicitly advocating the forced removal of all Muslims. We have Hugh Fitzgerald advocating the Benes Decree as a model for such an expulsion. We have Hugh Fitzgerald saying that everyone who believes in Islam is an enemy.

        Then we have jihadwatchers lying through their teeth.

        • Norger says

          Jun 25, 2019 at 8:40 am

          As I said, I’ve been a reader on this site for years and the first time I heard anything about proposed “ethnic cleansing” or mass expulsion of Muslims was from YOU. That’s 100% true. (Are you clairvoyant or something?)

          The stated purpose of this site is to examine the connection between Islamic theology and Islamic terrorism, in what I would characterize as an an intellectually honest way. This stands in stark contrast to the refusal of the MSM to touch this subject.

          As one of the other posters above pointed out, your feigned outrage over purported calls for “ethnic cleansing” is nothing but a classic “straw man” argument to divert attention from the real issue, which is problem posed by Islamic theology.

          Keep moving those goal posts.

        • Angemon says

          Jun 25, 2019 at 2:27 pm

          Citations needed. Oh, right there was an alleged “cleanup” and we’re required to take you at your word…

  27. gravenimage says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 6:45 pm

    CNN hits Jihad Watch for publishing “content critical of Islam”
    ……………………………

    What is wrong with being critical of violent Jihad, marrying children, murdering gay people, persecuting all non-Muslims, and stoning women to death? Note that CNN does not say.

    More:

    Oh, and speaking of disinformation: the actual report about which CNN is writing states on page one: “Jihad Watch is run by Richard Spencer.”
    ……………………………

    Yes, this *might* be an honest if appalling error–but it probably is not. When critics have nothing substantive to say, they can always pretend that the decent and civilized Robert Spencer is actually the vicious neo-Nazi and antisemite Richard Spencer. Just sickening.

  28. revereridesagain says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 7:14 pm

    My computer has been infiltrated by jinns and I keep getting dropped off the ‘net at unexpected moments so I can’t do long comments. (Don’t everyone cheer at once!) But, hit ’em right back, Robert! We’ll hold your coat!

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 24, 2019 at 7:27 pm

      I hope you are able to get your computer fixed soon.

  29. Anonymous says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 7:17 pm

    Lebel wants one to say “no, I did not push back the attacker”. Lebel ruses like pervert Soros in order to manipulate the Western world to get it volontarily on its knees in front of the Muslim hegemonist invaders.
    Lebel should convert to Islam and wear its costume of the worst ideology on the face of the earth. Right now Lebel is only using an electrical word stick to push people around. Why doesn’t Lebel get into the real thing and see if he can look at himself in the mirror as a “social justice warrior” anymore once in the costume of the raw real by the book Muslim. Lebel knows about being deceitful, that’s a first step for being a Muslim: Muslims live in a theocracy ruled by violence and suspicion and the first lesson is to deceit to survive. Bullying is the next useful tool: the antifa brandish it as a quality they think they invented: bullying is the lowest social skill in the history of civilisation. Lebel can check all the books written by ex-muslims, all of them to be on his hit list as a devout Muslim. And on and on goes the list of ugly things Lebel as a Muslim would have to accomplish. And in a Muslim world Zorro would be taken out of the television because Zorro respects free women.

    • Carol the 1st says

      Jun 27, 2019 at 8:45 am

      Does Lebel pretend to be something other than a muslim? He seems better at playing Dodge-the-Ball than thinking or philosophizing.

  30. CRUSADER says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 7:34 pm

    CNN:

    Communist
    Clintonesque
    Confused
    Criminal
    Commingled
    Corrupt
    Coopted
    Convoluted
    Contaminated

    ….News Network….

  31. tim gallagher says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 7:46 pm

    Maybe Jihad watch is getting through to enough people, and waking up enough people, that these traitorous mainstream, leftie news groups have noticed its existence and are getting worried about the way it tells the truth about Islam. I will never understand how these mainstream news corporations continue to run a protection racket for barbaric, evil Islam. There is so much evidence by now about Islam’s evil nature in so many different ways (its obvious misogyny, its paedophilia in marrying off young girls, its endless murderous terrorist attacks, its homophobic attitudes, etc), that there is no possible excuse for this protection racket they run for Islam. Well, I guess it is that the left hate our western way of life and want to destroy it and Islam is their ally in trying to do that. That must be the reason. As was mentioned above, maybe the publicity that is given to Jihad Watch will attract some more people, who will begin to learn the truth about Islam. This report resembles the report nearby on Jihad Watch about the UN seeking to shut down criticism of Islam. Everyone should have woken up to Islam by now. I can’t believe how this blindness, this abject surrender, to Islam keeps happening. Then again, the UN is a useless, leftie organisation which seems to hate the West, so I guess it’s no surprise.

  32. Wellington says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 8:22 pm

    And here’s the best and worst of lebel and all his deceptive posts on this thread: He is “tops” respecting what the Islamic world and its apologists can do—obfuscate, provide “sources” which are interpreted quite tendentiously to prove a hypothesis that precedes facts, set up straw men and then knock them down, not deal with the real problem, i.e., the ideology of Islam, and describe opposition to Muslim intentions as some kind of racism or ethnic hatred, et al.

    In short, lebel is a deceiver. He won’t prevail here at JW because too many here at JW know the truth about the totalitarian creed which is Islam. But, sadly, he might very well prevail with weaker minds, like those who run CNN, The New York Times and who teach en masse in American colleges and universities these days.

    As usual, ignorance is one of the best allies Islam has ever had. So is mendacity. Lebel in microcosm demonstrates what “friends” these two negatives have been for Mo’s warped creed over the centuries, never more than now.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 24, 2019 at 8:26 pm

      Fine post, Wellington.

    • lebel says

      Jun 25, 2019 at 3:18 am

      The fact that you read ““The argument that “demography is destiny” has already lead to the asphyxiation of Christianity throughout the Arab Muslim world (except for Maronites and Copts); it will likely lead to the ultimate disappareance of Israel, and of any non-Muslim presence in the Holy Land, unless there is forceful removal of Muslims from that area (and why should one shirk from contemplating what has been an element of statecraft, and survival, since time began — cf. the removal of 3.5 million Germans from the Sudetenland by the “tolerant” Czech government post-WW II” as NOT a call for ethnic cleansing is what is disturbing. You are more interested in defending this site than being honest. It does not matter that other jihadwatchers agree with you. If you had read the exact same phrase but replaced Jews for Muslims you would IMMEDIATELY see it.

      How do you read this: “We should take pleasure in the spectacle of warfare, in any Muslim land, warfare that takes up the attention of the locals, and uses up not only their resources, but also, one hopes, the resources of their neighbors.” Do you think it is ethically or morally right to take pleasure in warfare in Muslim lands? just tell me yes or no. But you won’t.

      “Muslim migration must not only be halted, but the mental ground prepared among Western
      Europeans for reversing the Muslim presence in their countries.”

      Reversing the Muslim presence? what does that mean?

      • Norger says

        Jun 25, 2019 at 8:58 am

        @lebel

        Wellington can answer for himself, but I’ll respond to your comment about “taking pleasure” at warfare in Muslims lands. No, I don’t think it’s ethically right to derive pleasure from warfare.

        But my question for you is this: didn’t the Obama administration deliberately exploit what you term as the “religious fissures” between Shia and Sunni in attempting to pit Iran and ISIS against each other? Were you morally outraged about that? If not, why not?

        “Pleasure” isn’t the right word, but in my view having the forces of ISIS and Iran occupied against each other is/was a positive thing.

      • Chand says

        Jun 25, 2019 at 9:19 am

        Lebel, I happen to be an atheist and don’t care about any particular religion and would love to see the demise of all organized religions. But I am interested in the truth.
        A year ago, ( I haven’t saved the essay or anything) I read a Hugh Fitzgerald essay about the ME where he suggested some kind of covert support of arms to Sunni Jihadi groups in Lebanon to take on Hezbollah, in order to weaken both, or something along those lines. This would created a much desired escalation of the Shia-Sunni strife there, in his opinion, and I must confess it was a bit chilling and unnerving.
        Another time he suggested supporting the Arab Sunnis in southern Iran with arms in their insurgency against the Iranian Mullah rule.
        I know he meant it all for the good of the world but it seemed terribly callous to suggest these ideas that would increase bloodshed in an already blood soaked region.

        Also his calling for Muslims to purposely distance themselves from the ‘kill kafirs’ verses of the Koran or be deported and other such posts definitely counts as calls to expel all Muslims.

        The thing is that JW frequently crosses over from criticizing Islam to criticizing and bad mouthing ALL Muslims. It takes all Muslims everywhere to task for the crimes of some, by simply linking them all to an adherence to the religion of Islam, to which all were simply born into, without choice.

        And this ‘Muslims are not an ethnic group’ is a false claim in the case of this targeting of all Muslims. Jews are not an ethnic group either but Judaism finds adherents from many nationalities and races. But the Nazis had no difficulty in identifying them. Islam is not an ideology either. It is a religion.

        • CogitoErgoSum says

          Jun 25, 2019 at 11:00 am

          Whenever a religion does not distinguish between the things which are Caesar’s and the things which are God’s, that religion becomes an ideology as well as a religion. The god of Islam demands that the governance of a country be based upon the rules set forth under Islam and, in doing so, requires government to be submissive to the rules of a god. That makes Islam an ideology. If Muslims do not wish to be a part of such an ideology they should reject Islam and find themselves another religion. Being born into Islam is not a choice but remaining under Islam and being submissive to its rules IS a choice which even the god of Islam allows all human beings to make (although the choice of rejecting the god is death at the hands of those who have accepted the god).

        • lebel says

          Jun 25, 2019 at 6:01 pm

          “Also his calling for Muslims to purposely distance themselves from the ‘kill kafirs’ verses of the Koran or be deported and other such posts definitely counts as calls to expel all Muslims.”

          Absolutely, jihadwatchers understand this perfectly well but they have chosen lies instead of truth. Ironically it is the harsher jihadwatcher who are the honest ones.

        • Angemon says

          Jun 25, 2019 at 6:15 pm

          So, according to you lot, muslims can’t distance themselves from the verses to kill non-muslims – thus implying that ALL muslims, by virtue of killing muslims, want to kill non-muslims. Such is the bigotry of low expectations – and shame on you for attacking the people that, in your scenario, are trying to protect themselves…

        • gravenimagefirs says

          Jun 25, 2019 at 6:29 pm

          The always Islamophilic Chand wrote:

          Also his calling for Muslims to purposely distance themselves from the ‘kill kafirs’ verses of the Koran or be deported and other such posts definitely counts as calls to expel all Muslims.
          ……………………….

          Is Chand saying that all Muslims want to kill Kafirs, in line with the diktats of the Qur’an?

          And if this is the case, that Infidels are supposed to turn a bling eye to this?

          More:

          The thing is that JW frequently crosses over from criticizing Islam to criticizing and bad mouthing ALL Muslims. It takes all Muslims everywhere to task for the crimes of some, by simply linking them all to an adherence to the religion of Islam, to which all were simply born into, without choice.
          ……………………….

          Is Chand here saying that Muslims have no choice but to support the killing of Kafirs? Yet the West is, apparently, morally bound to import more and more Muslims.

          lebel wrote:

          “Also his calling for Muslims to purposely distance themselves from the ‘kill kafirs’ verses of the Koran or be deported and other such posts definitely counts as calls to expel all Muslims.”

          Absolutely, jihadwatchers understand this perfectly well but they have chosen lies instead of truth. Ironically it is the harsher jihadwatcher who are the honest ones.
          ……………………….

          lebel is now saying that taking issue with Muslims wanting to kill Kafirs and wanting to prevent it is “harsh”–*good God*.

      • Angemon says

        Jun 25, 2019 at 2:32 pm

        “ Do you think it is ethically or morally right to take pleasure in warfare in Muslim lands?”

        Lol – you talking about ethics and morals! In any case, let’s take your sourceless post and assume it is true. I ask you the following: you have two people who have, and are still trying, to kill you. One day, you see them trying to kill one another. What is your reaction?

        • lebel says

          Jun 25, 2019 at 6:05 pm

          Wow, you must get an erection when looking at footage from the devastation in Yemen. Your answer is however more honest than what I usually get from jihadwatchers.

        • Angemon says

          Jun 25, 2019 at 6:22 pm

          lebel posted:

          “Wow, you must get an erection when looking at footage from the devastation in Yemen. Your answer is however more honest than what I usually get from jihadwatchers.”

          Projection much? I asked

          “you have two people who have, and are still trying, to kill you. One day, you see them trying to kill one another. What is your reaction?”

          Is that it? You get an erection when you see people trying to kill one another?

        • gravenimagefirs says

          Jun 25, 2019 at 6:32 pm

          Again, lebel will not actually say anything critical about Muslims slaughtering other Muslims, but instead is trying to blame it on Infidels.

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 25, 2019 at 6:37 pm

          The above post is mine.

        • Norger says

          Jun 25, 2019 at 9:09 pm

          “you must get an erection when looking at the footage of the devastation in Yemen”?!

          That’s your response?! You just put us all in our places once and for all you silver-tongued devil! I’ll know better than to ever cross words with you again!

          Not just intellectually dishonest, but absolutely pathetic.

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 26, 2019 at 7:26 pm

          This is grotesque calumny against Angemon from lebel. Note that he–again–does not blame Muslims for Muslim-on-Muslim bloodshed, but instead tries to blame Infidels.

      • Wellington says

        Jun 25, 2019 at 6:57 pm

        Again, lebel, you deceive by making animosity towards those who adhere to a wicked belief system into something ethnic. Yes, some Muslims are far more worthy of scorn than other Mo believers because they are not only confused but evil precisely because they are ready to implement Islam”s many heinous tenets (e.g., death or severe punishment in this world for any criticism of Islam, Mo or the Buttran). But every Muslim, NO EXCEPTION, is at least a confused human being and whose belief system is inimical to liberty. Thus, opposition to ALL Muslims makes sense just as opposition to ALL anarchists, Marxists, KKK members, Neo-Nazis, et al. makes sense even those some in these latter groups, as with Muslims, adhere to a malevolent belief system “less enthusiastically” than other “compatriots” do.

        The moment a Muslim ceases to be a Muslim, though this carries danger with it thanks to the putrid death for apostasy doctrine in Islam which, TO THIS VERY DAY, every major school of Islamic theology upholds, it matters not what ethnicity, race or gender such a person is. Ethnicity, race and gender are IRRELEVANT respecting why Islam is evil. You keep trying to make it into something ethnic when it is not and this is highly deceitful of you. Again, it’s the ideology, stupid. ADDRESS THIS once and for all. Yes, the IDEOLOGY!

        On the specific matter of Jews, as you know or should know, being Jewish can be either an ethnic phenomenon, a religious phenomenon, or both. It’s something unique about the Jewish world and has no correlation with other major religions, whether Christianity, Buddhism OR Islam. So, don’t go there again unless you want to look all the more like someone who muddies the waters in order to distract from how horrible the Islamic belief system is. But you will.

  33. David M says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 9:21 pm

    Wikipedia describes Jihad Watch as :”Jihad Watch is an anti-Muslim conspiracy blog[2][3][4] affiliated with the David Horowitz Freedom Center, run by blogger Robert Spencer. It has been described as one of the main homes of the Counter-jihad movement on the internet.[5] ”

    Presenting published facts about Islam gets you identified as above by leftists now.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 25, 2019 at 6:39 pm

      Yes, David–now being Counter-Jihad supposedly means you are anti-Muslim–is Wikipedia claiming that all Muslims are pro-Jihad? Isn’t *that* Islamophobic?

      • lebel says

        Jun 26, 2019 at 3:27 am

        It’s actually quite simple. If you say “it is all those who believe in Islam who must be treated as our enemies” as Hugh Fitzgerald has stated then you’re anti-Muslim because, well, all Muslims are your enemies.

        If you say: “the terrorists are our enemies” then that’s different.

        How GI understands the above: “Lebel wants us to stop linking Islam with terrorism, bad Dhimmis!”

        • Carol the 1st says

          Jun 26, 2019 at 7:13 pm

          Where is Mortimer with his al walaa was baraa info when you need him?

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 26, 2019 at 7:32 pm

          lebel is now reduced to attributing fake quotes to me. Just despicable.

    • tim gallagher says

      Jun 25, 2019 at 7:10 pm

      It’s a weird definition, David M and gravenimage, that’s for sure. Telling the unvarnished truth about Islam’s evil nature, as Jihad Watch does, is a “conspiracy”. The use of the term “conspiracy” is certainly loaded. I guess it’s meant to mean, oh, what Jihad Watch says is all made up, there’s nothing to see here, etc. I consider all the lefties in the mainstream media, who insist on running a protection racket for Islam, who continue to lie and tell us that Islam is peaceful, and there’s no real danger in Islam, despite all the evidence which makes it clear that that isn’t the case, are the ones who are running some type of genuine conspiracy against our civilised, western way of life.

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 26, 2019 at 7:33 pm

        Very true, Tim.

  34. somehistory says

    Jun 24, 2019 at 10:24 pm

    Daniel Greenfield recently wrote that a school in CA, George Washington High, has covered over a mural of Mr. Washington as his likeness is “offensive” to some non-White students. The school is going to cover the mural permanently, even though it will cost the school hundreds of thousands of dollars.

    Once upon a time, it was acceptable to speak the truth and if someone didn’t like it, they could say what they thought about what was said. People freely discussed “religion,” “politics” and other things and when arguments became too heated, the discussion changed to the “weather.”

    Now that islam has become so central to a portion of the world that it seems to have been made a “sacred cow,” others are not allowed to criticize or even just critique. it Or ask questions of and then disagree with.

    So any individual who criticizes islam and makes his name known, or has a site where islam is discussed and the truth is made known, is going to be a target for those who hate truth, and even by those who have decided that they must disagree just because they can, to the point of calling for censure and silence and wanting to take away the freedom…given by our Creator…to speak one’s mind and heart.

    This system of nations has become a one-way street when it comes to freedom to think, speak and act. If one does not agree with those bound and determined to silence others, then one is the target for those freedom haters.

    And, on a side note, the topic of “ethnic cleansing” is just brought up as a distraction by someone of the group who wants limits to freedom for those who disagree with them. “Ethnic cleansing” is the mass deportation or mass killing of a group based on ethnicity or religion.
    Saying that some who belong to a “religion” that wishes to disestablish all other religions should not have the freedom to do that, is not “ethnic cleansing.” And moslims kill themselves for the same reasons they kill non moslims….hatred and lust for killing. They don’t know how to love, they do not love, but they do have a lust for blood,…thanks to satan.

    But moslims and their shills don’t want the Truth to get out and they’ll say and do just about anything to stop it.

    • Norger says

      Jun 25, 2019 at 10:02 am

      Well said. Andrew McCarthy, who prosecuted the “Blind Sheikh” has many good observations on this subject.

      What are the implications, from a law enforcement standpoint, of a high profile religious leader with millions of followers plotting religiously inspired terrorist attacks on a mass scale in the largest city in the US? One of the observations that McCarthy makes is that our current laws are ill-suited to deal with this threat, which he terms religious warfare (I.e. jihad). More to the point, he seriously doubts that the Blind Sheikh would even be prosecuted by the feds today. To that point, would bet my life savings that the Obama administration would have nixed such a prosecution. Trump (who I don’t particularly like), perhaps not, but you can be sure that CNN and the NYT would be running interference for the good Imam non-stop.

      I don’t know what the answer is, but pretending the problem doesn’t exist is not helping. These issues need to be discussed. This site is one of the few places where such discussions are even allowed.

  35. infidel says

    Jun 25, 2019 at 12:10 am

    This video is a MUST WATCH video for all political leaders about DR BR Ambedkar, the writer of India’s constitution and also one of India’s greatest social thinkers….

    MUST WATCH for sure

    • Carol the 1st says

      Jun 26, 2019 at 7:25 pm

      Infidel…I posted just the title above (hadn’t realized you’d posted the video again). I honestly think we should make a nuisance of ourselves and post it often! MINO’s just seem to be along for the ride but serious Islam will always head in the direction Ambedkar describes.They should not be allowed to vote in any democratic country.

  36. infidel says

    Jun 25, 2019 at 12:20 am

    If stupid CNN is gaffing this… then Robert Spencer and JW IS doing something right.

  37. John Allan says

    Jun 25, 2019 at 7:41 am

    Islam is a bloody menace. One assumes that CNN is now employing myopic morons at standard.

  38. John Allan says

    Jun 25, 2019 at 7:44 am

    ‘morons as’, not ‘morons at’, but comments are apparently not editable.

  39. Dr. Doom says

    Jun 25, 2019 at 9:53 am

    And so the Communist News Network has decided one of its primary charges is to defend the “Religion of Peace” in addition to spreading the usual disinformation and claptrap that has become the centerpiece of all their so called “reporting.”

  40. patriotliz says

    Jun 25, 2019 at 11:48 am

    As a free speech refugee from the Twitter Nazis who banned me for criticism of Islam, and then migrated to GAB…I’m free to criticize the heinous conduct of Islamic fascism on GAB. It is unconscionable that ANYONE would pander to something so evil as Islam by not allowing criticism and documentation of facts. Anyone is free to combat that criticism with facts if they can. But since Islamic atrocities and its fascist theocracy are indefensible, they can’t.
    You can tell that GAB is for FREE SPEECH— BECAUSE there are bigots and anti-Semites on GAB. I mute them after counteracting their posts. Speech that is “illegal” is banned.
    I don’t understand why the song “Speechless” from the new movie “Alladin” has not been utilized by conservatives, critics of Islam and those protesting against Islamic Sharia to counteract the totalitarian censorship imposed by Islam and their Islamopanderers in the Leftist media????

    • UNCLE VLADDI says

      Jun 26, 2019 at 12:26 am

      Oh, so THAT’S why CAIR thought Allah-deen was “islamophobic!”
      Because women openly complain about their 2nd place status!

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 26, 2019 at 7:37 pm

        Yep. Defending freedom of speech enrages Muslims, as well.

  41. usmade100 says

    Jun 25, 2019 at 8:59 pm

    CNN I can’t stand you and how you slant EVERYTHING you say! Sickening.

  42. UNCLE VLADDI says

    Jun 26, 2019 at 12:19 am

    Re: “that CNN — as well as the Leftist propagandists who carried out this “study” — blandly report that “content critical of Islam” is something reprehensible and to be stopped is an indication of how much the establishment media and political elites have already accepted the Sharia notion that Islam must not be criticized. ”

    Well, that’s because it dovetails so nicely with their own racism:

    Without bothering to investigate it, liberals always deny islam could ever be a threat because muslims are brown people who can never be a threat to white people because, to racist liberals, they’re always presumed to be mentally inferior to all whites.

    So there’s never any need to investigate islam, because it’s just some sort of a silly and ultimately harmless brown-person’s superstition, to which they’re racially entitled. There’s no way it could ever be a threat to whites, nor could it have inspired Nazis.

    Only whites, by dint of their superior intelligence, can be evil racists who are always the main threat to the inferior browns.

    To racist and mentally delinquent liberal criminals, only whites can be held to be guilty of any crimes, because crimes require mens-rea guilty mind criminal intent, which no black or brown mentally inferior muslim can ever have the mental capacity to be.

    Further, all whites are Christians, so Christianity is oppressive; and all blacks are muslims, and so are naturally the victims of all the evil white Christians.

    These are the most shallow, visceral feelings of all hateful liberal racists, which mere facts will never affect, because these feelings are so self-evident that there’s never any reason to consider that most Christians today are black Africans, not smug and plump white Europeans in business suits – nor that muslims come in all races and colours, too; nor that Arabs are whites. And there’s no way Muhammad was “the Whitest of men” who owned black slaves.

  43. lebel says

    Jun 26, 2019 at 3:23 am

    “you have two people who have, and are still trying, to kill you. One day, you see them trying to kill one another. What is your reaction?”

    Why would I be happy about that, thousands of innocents will die because of my enemies fighting. Only jihadwatchers defend and get happy about civil war in Muslim countries. Only jihadwatchers defend those that want to deepend those conflicts.

    Do you think it’s just bad shittes terrorists and bad sunnis terrorists fighting in an open field?

    That’s like saying I am happy that Hitler and Stalin are fighting one another. Who care about the millions of dead civilians. The fucking standards here are so low that I have to explain such basic things to you.

    • Norger says

      Jun 26, 2019 at 8:17 am

      Quite simply, I’d rather have Shiites and Sunnis fighting each other than bringing their war here, full stop. I can’t believe I have to explain such basic self-preservation concepts to you.

      The bloodletting between Shia and Sunnis is a direct product of Islamic theology, not anything the West does or has ever done. Hitler and Stalin is an excellent analogy. To your point about the moral depravity of reveling in the carnage of warfare, Islamic theology is replete with such references, as are the ravings of many a modern day Islamist hate preacher. Can you send any of your moral outrage in that direction? Didn’t think so.

      Keep talking and backing yourself into that corner. Newsflash: you are not a morally superior being. You are an intellectually dishonest, sanctimonious hypocrite

    • Angemon says

      Jun 26, 2019 at 4:36 pm

      lebel posted:

      “Why would I be happy about that, thousands of innocents will die because of my enemies fighting.”

      I see you’re still not answering my question, just projecting, as before.

      “Only jihadwatchers defend and get happy about civil war in Muslim countries. Only jihadwatchers defend those that want to deepend those conflicts.”

      Or so you claim – so much claim, so little evidence…

      “Do you think it’s just bad shittes terrorists and bad sunnis terrorists fighting in an open field?”

      Are you implying that there’s such a thing as a “good terrorist”?

      “That’s like saying I am happy that Hitler and Stalin are fighting one another. Who care about the millions of dead civilians.”

      Your words, not mine. You certainly don’t care about German civilians during the WWII era…

  44. lebel says

    Jun 26, 2019 at 3:33 am

    “That is not a call for ethnic cleansing. That is a call for immigrants to be held to their oath to be loyal to the United States. Or I suppose you think a nation can survive harboring a massive number of traitors and saboteurs?”

    So if you think the Quran is the literal word of God, you should be forcibly deported. Got it

    What do you think about this quote from Hugh Fitzgerald: ““it is all those who believe in Islam who must be treated as our enemies”?

    • Anonymous says

      Jun 26, 2019 at 6:30 am

      I am talking in my name and this is what I have to say. In France the law stipulates “Nul n’est censé ignorer la loi”. This is the first basis of knowledge of the law that all citizens are taught: “No one is supposed to ignore the law”.
      Muslims included. Most of the teachings of Islam go against the law and all Muslims know it. Therefore all Muslims that are considered in the capacity to be responsible of their acts are to be held guilty of going against the law. To me all Muslims are guilty of what Islam professes.

    • Norger says

      Jun 26, 2019 at 10:55 am

      How about you answering Mr. Fitzgerald’s question. Do you suppose a nation can survive if it “tolerates” thousands or millions of traitors and saboteurs in the name of “diversity?” (What do you suppose France is going to look like in 20 years?)

      I’m not saying that mass deportations are the answer, but we (the US) need to have an open and honest discussion about Islam. It is undeniably a threat to our way of life.

      How would you respond to the threat or do you deny the existence of any threat in the first instance?

    • Angemon says

      Jun 26, 2019 at 4:39 pm

      lebel posted:

      “So if you think the Quran is the literal word of God, you should be forcibly deported. Got it”

      According to lebel, believing the quran is the literal word of God makes you a traitor and saboteur that can’t be loyal to the US – it seems that it’s him who is in favour of the “ethnic cleansing” he’s blaming others for…

  45. Hmmm..... says

    Jun 28, 2019 at 4:58 pm

    Many fine comments on this matter. Creeping Sharia is getting faster and the jihad of the pen is getting mightier. The Richard / Robert was not a mistake.I am convinced most of the mainstream news media is terrified of violent acts against them. After the massacre surrounding those cartoons, the mainstream is covering its’ backside.

    This is serious. Bit by bit islam is swallowing Europe and is now chipping away at the U.S. I am reading items here, at Pamela Geller, ACT, that reveals how dangerous this is becoming. The U. S. has to build strength against islam as Poland and Hungary have done.

    I watched and heard Robert Spencer, not Richard, make the comment that the truth, like grass makes its’ way up through the concrete and cracks the concrete. Those of us that still stand for the U.S. and the West must continue to study the truth about islam and to defend ourselves with that truth.

    The bullying from islam and the left shows how terrified they are that someone starts to study and think. I suspect this will get worse before it gets better, but if the defenders of the Constitution and the Magna Carta stand firm, the hate machine of isalm and the left will fail. I have heard it said the left is eating the leftovers.

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