Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan recently attended a meeting of Muslim states in Mecca, where he delivered himself of some thoughts on the unfairness of blaming Islam for terrorism. He asserted, not for the first time, that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism.
No one ever blamed Hinduism for Tamil Tigers’ bombings or Japanese religion when they blew up themselves on US ships. So why Islam is branded so?” Khan said during the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) summit in Makkah.
He asserted that “the Muslim world has not been able to powerfully convince the world that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism,” adding that the OIC should clarify its ‘propaganda’ about Muslims.
This was duly reported around the world, without his charges being subject to critical examination. But Imran Khan had a number of things wrong — aside, of course, from his absurd claim the “Islam has nothing to do with terrorism.”
First, he wondered why Hinduism was not blamed for the terrorist attacks of the Tamil Tigers. But the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka, known as the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE), were not inspired by Hinduism; no Hindu texts were relied on by them to justify their attacks; some of the Tamil Tigers were not even Hindus. Compare the Tamil Tigers to Muslim terrorists, who are acting according to the Qur’anic verses that command them to wage violent Jihad against all Unbelievers, and to “strike terror” in their hearts. The goal of jihad is ultimately to conquer the world for the faith, so that Islam everywhere dominates, and Muslims rule, everywhere. The LTTE, by contrast, was a self-styled national liberation organization, with the primary goal of establishing an independent Tamil state in northern Sri Lanka. It had nothing to do with spreading Hinduism; Tamil nationalism was the basis of its ideology. The LTTE denied being a separatist movement based on religion — non-Hindu Tamils were members, while non-Tamil Hindus were not. It t saw itself as fighting for self-determination and the restoration of Tamil sovereignty in part of Sri Lanka. The LTTE was an avowedly secular organization; religion did not play any discernible part in its ideology. In fact, the LTTE Leader Velupillai Prabhakaran was a secularist who criticized what he saw as the oppressive features of traditional Hindu Tamil society, such as the caste system and gender inequality. And that is why no one blamed Hinduism for the terrorism of the Tamil Tigers. It’s doubtful that Imran Khan knew any of this; he is known not for his intellect, but for his skills as a cricket player and playboy before he entered politics, and apparently he did not feel the need to learn more about the Tamil Tigers and their nationalist and secular agenda, before presuming to pontificate about them.
It may be worth noting that Khan’s knowledge of geography has also put to the test, and found wanting:
“Imran Khan was recently the object of scorn for confusing Japan with France, when he made comments about Japan and Germany sharing a border, discussed here; https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/pakistan/imran-khan-on-the-border-region-of-germany-and-japan-1.63501476
“Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan’s knowledge of geography came under the scanner when he said that Germany, situated in Central Europe, shares a border with Japan, an island nation in East Asia.
“The faux pas happened when the Pakistan PM was emphatically advocating the necessity of promoting trade between the two countries to ensure peace ibeen n a speech.
“The more trade you have with each other…your ties automatically gets [sic] stronger. Germany and Japan killed millions of their civilians, until after the Second World War. [[In]the border region of Germany and Japan they had joint industries. So now there is no question of them ever having bad relations because their economic interests are tied together,” the Pakistan PM said in a video clip, which was widely circulated on social media.
“It appears that the Pakistan Prime Minister was referring to the close Germany-France ties forged after the Second World War. However, the Prime Minister ended up mixing Japan with France.
“Khan’s lack of knowledge of geography not only left the delegates present at his speech puzzled but also rocked up a storm on social media.
“Please can someone find him a speech writer, or someone should give him lessons in geography. How much can one troll him?” a Twitter user wrote.
Neither geography, nor history, nor world religions, are Imran Khan’s strong suit.
Imran Khan asks why no one blamed Hinduism for the terrorist attacks of the Tamil Tigers. But why would they? Everyone in Sri Lanka knew that Hinduism was neither necessary nor sufficient to explain the phenomenon of the Tamil Tigers, a nationalist, separatist, and secular movement, whose leaders were critical of central elements to Hinduism, and who were fighting not to further Hinduism, but only to carve out a homeland for ethnic Tamils, whatever their religion.
Imran Khan’s further claim that no one blames the “Japanese religion” for the kamikaze pilots deserves comment. Which “Japanese religion” does he mean? There are two — Shinto, the religion native to Japan, and Buddhism, an import from China. I suspect Khan does not realize that these are different faiths. Shinto consists mainly of a series of rituals designed to keep the Japanese people connected to their distant past, a religion of public shrines devoted to the worship of a multitude of “spirits,” “essences,” or “gods” (kami), suited to various purposes such as war memorials and harvest festivals. Practitioners express their diverse beliefs through a standard language and practice, adopting a similar style in dress and ritual, dating from around the time of the Nara and Heian periods (8th–12th centuries). Shinto was not an aggressive faith; there was no impulse to spread Shinto outside of Japan; it would have made no sense to do so, given that it was designed to keep the Japanese aware of their uniqueness.
But beginning in the 1920s, and increasingly in the 1930s and during the war years, Shinto was exploited by the Japanese militarists, who connected it with the cult of sacrifice for Emperor Hirohito as the God-Emperor. The Americans, recognizing the Japanese military’s misuse of Shinto for aggressive purposes, required the Japanese, as part of their surrender, to end state support for Shinto. This was not the traditional Shinto itself, which was pacific, but the distorted version constructed beginning in the 1920s to support Japanese militarism. That is quite different from Islam, which, unlike Shinto, needs no distorting to support aggression. Islam has always been a fighting faith, and the 109 Qur’anic verses commanding Muslims to “fight” and to “kill” and to “smite above the neck” and “strike terror in the hearts” of Infidels are surely enough to justify laying the blame for the attacks by Muslim terrorists — of which there have been 35,000 since 9/11 — on Islam itself.
When Imran Khan indignantly claims that no one blames “the Japanese religion” for the kamikaze pilots, he is wrong in two ways. First, the real Shinto religion, which primarily connected the Japanese people to their past through rituals and shrines, cannot be blamed for the distorted version promoted by the Japanese military, who used the cult of the God-Emperor to encourage the kamikaze pilots who sacrificed themselves by the thousands. Second, as noted above, Shinto, or more exactly the distortion of the faith in the service of Japanese militarism, was indeed blamed by the Americans for contributing to Japanese aggression. Imran Khan’s claim that “no one blamed” the “Japanese religion” for the kamikaze pilots is wrong; he has forgotten, or more likely never knew, the American-imposed Terms of Surrender, which included the requirement that Shinto would no longer be the state religion of Japan.
Imran Khan would do well to take the time to study the irrelevance of Hinduism to the secular, nationalist struggle of the Tamil Tigers, and to learn a bit more about both traditional Shinto and the version created by Japanese militarists. And finally, he might read the Qur’an more closely, so as to comprehend what it is that leads so many of us to believe that Islam does indeed have a great deal — indeed, everything — to do with Muslim terrorism.
Frank Anderson says
In order to fall for the lies of the PM (certainly not the author of this article) a person must be completely ignorant of all the writings of and about islam including its history. The only alternative answer is that the PM is practicing as a good slave of al the doctrine of deception to confuse and misdirect uninformed infidel sub-human kafirs who are too lazy or cowardly to find out just what islam teaches and practices toward them. Most of us know better here.
mortimer says
Imran Khan spins his tales, knowing that most Pakistanis are poorly informed about anything due to an inferior school system. He can jabber-jabber and they will still love him as long as he looks like a sports hero.
As F.A. points out, the kafirs are generally too lazy and too cowardly to lean anything about Islam.
Islam in fact has a doctrine of hatred directed against kafirs called AL WALAA WAL BARAA (comradeship and estrangement).
Islam also has a doctrine of TERRORISM directed against kafirs called JIHAD and MIGRATION. The purpose of JIHAD and MIGRATION is to dominate the kafirs through ALL MEANS of deception, surprise and violence in order for Muslims to gain the upper hand.
Imran Khan is conducting the JIHAD OF THE TONGUE: he is using deceptive speech to distract kafirs from the fact that Muslims are using censorship to gain the upper hand over the kafirs and thus remove their human rights and civil liberties.
Frank Anderson says
Mortimer, we certainly agree on that.
t. says
Good solid arguments by Hugh, in the article above
J D.S says
Islam is terrorism and there is no way that can be disputed…ALL OF THEIR WRITINGS POINT TO THAT FACT…AND NOT ONLY THEIR WRITINGS..ALSO THEIR ACTIONS
Westman says
All the squawking reveals is the realization by Islamic national leaders that the image of Islam is declining in the West. Credit modern communication that leaves little, of what is done in Allah’s name, hidden or delayed.
mortimer says
Agree with Westman: Muslims are experiencing the FIVE STAGES OF GRIEF as they realize that Islam is a DEATH CULT that worships terrorism and DEATH. Muslims are today at the ‘BARGAINING’ stage as they analyze why the world rejects Islam.
Discussing Islam with a Muslim is like going through the Five Stages of Grief over and over:
Five Stages of Grief.
1. Denial and Isolation.
2. Anger.
3. Bargaining.
4. Depression.
5. Acceptance.
The one caveat is you rarely get past stage 3. It would be funny, if it weren’t so very sad. No matter how many Islamic errors and contradictions you show a Muslim, they will either deny the facts, get angry at you for pointing them out or start lying and bargaining their way through it in hopes that everything will go away. Their lying can go on a long time, and I’ve found a common theme of dishonesty when arguing religion with a Muslim.
With about 75% of them, I’ve found that they run away when faced with the facts. The pattern is repeatable. They will initially argue back using many logical fallacies. Once you point out the issues clearly a second time or third time, they will start name calling and then suddenly halt discussion simultaneously.
James Lincoln says
mortimer says,
“Discussing Islam with a Muslim is like going through the Five Stages of Grief over and over…The one caveat is you rarely get past stage 3.”
So if a Muslim will cease to engage discussion after “Bargaining”, how do you deprogram them? (I’m not trying to be a smart Alec)
mortimer says
Response to JL … deprogramming a Muslim takes almost 2 decades, but it can be done sooner if we translate counterjihad materials from English into Indonesian, Urdu, Arabic, French and Russian, the main languages used by Muslims.
Ex-Muslims are creating their own deprogramming materials. JW is a deprogramming channel. David Wood is too. The Apostate Prophet is an ex-Muslim teaching Muslims about the absurdities in Islam that bug him personally the most. If we multiply this by 100 x, the dropout rate from Islam will be tremendously higher than 10 million per annum, the present rate. At a certain tipping point, the dropout from Islam will be fuelled by ex-Muslims predominantly. If governments become involved, the process can be even more accelerated.
A potential ‘purchaser’ needs to be exposed to advertising at least 3 x before he will buy. Deprogramming materials need to be everywhere, just like anti-smoking ads. Some hardcore Muslims will ignore all dissuasion, just as with hardcore smokers who ignore warnings.
Frank Anderson says
Mortimer, among many trades I made my own television commercials to promote, yes, my law practice. Advertisers in the US are told that it takes about 25 impressions to get someone who is interested or needs a product or service to call. I made one commercial that was not that well done, on a channel with an audience not really interested in my service, that produced not one single call to my office. Several months’ profit went down the drain for that educational experience. And I had no money to waste.
I agree with you, that deprogramming is far less bloody and violent than any other approach. I see problems, starting with reaching people who are interested in leaving a killer society they have been immersed in all their lives, and many of their preceding generations. Then, the “death for apostasy” penalty they, and potentially their families, face. Then, how could the deprogrammers and those who really want to be deprogrammed have any confidence the whole activity is not being infiltrated with vigilantes who obey the teachings about enforcing the rules? What other questions should be considered in an honest, complete analysis?
We have discussed your proposal many times. I am impressed by your commitment regardless of my agreement or understanding. Like any idea of many I have had, some of which worked, it is worth exploring. We have both certainly seen many examples of ideas that were not explored adequately before enormous resources were spent only to waste. This 1400 year old house of violence, slavery and conquest remains and is growing. It reminds me of Frank Herbert’s and his successors Dune series about a 10,000 year struggle for power. In respect to your commitment I am going to see what I can do to find the Apostate Prophet. Peace and success be with you Mortimer.
James Lincoln says
Thank you mortimer and Frank Anderson for your detailed replies. Lots of good thoughts.
Much for me to read / reread and analyze…
Now if only the mainstream media would come over to our side…
Frank Anderson says
J.L. to Hell with the lying, collaborating, surrendering media. We want the audience. The people count, not the liars.
David says
Mortimer. I think you have to let a muslim do some secret research on his own, having heard what you have said to him.. It is difficult to reason with unreasonable people.
David says
James: DAWAM: Don’t Argue With a Muslim. The reason is, it is a waste of your breath and time.
Rufolino says
“When people have lost the argument they turn to abuse.” (Socrates.)
(Racist bigot, intolerant islamophobe, etc.)
mortimer says
Very good, Rufolino. Smears and slanders are not arguments at all, but the admission that the Red-Green Axis has no argument in favor of Islam. Indeed, Islam is so flawed that no argument is available to defend it.
David says
Westman, Islam is getting exposed,as more and more people find out about it. It must dawn on the most disinterested person that the ‘religion of peace’ is clearly a misnomer; a sick joke without the humour.
The problem I have found is getting people to listen to my knowledge about Islam without turning off, calling me a racist, and other insults. Most are not interested
Prabh says
Prime Minister Imran Khan possesses natural charisma. Such a wondrous trait is strictly by birth only. I thank him, Prime Minister Imran Khan for opening up the Kartarpur Sahib Corridor, a great boon for the Sikh Community.
We wish you well Imran! Felicitations upon your victory and long may your (our) beloved Pakistan thrive, flourish and do well in every sphere of endeavour. You r an inspiration for whole of the Subcontinent as well as all of Central Asia. Long may our noble peoples prosper. Well done. We all love you more than can ever be expressed in mere words.
Chakdephate!
mortimer says
Prabh, the PM is an idiot in the matter of history.
Hindu American says
“Prabh” is a false flagger. Ignore him.
Salman Rushdie called Imran Khan – Immy the Dimmy – obviously alluding to this man’s intelligence level (and Rushdie knows Khan well). In Khan’s own messed up country, he is labeled “Taliban Khan”. Per his recent verbal diarrhea, he wants to create a “new Madina” in Pakistan. Go figure where this is going to end up. What can go wrong!
Prabh says
Hindu of USA:
https://realhistoryindia.wordpress.com/
Enjoy! Death to Chindian Kakistocracy.
Do not project your habitual propensity for deceitful conduct onto the pristine precious Panth of Baba Nanak.
We will Never forget or forgive atrocities against Sikhi and our major important tribes who are the bedrock foundation of Sikhi. I exhort u to look up “Jat” at above website.
U cannot miscegenate your way out of hell, Hindamerican.
Mortimer I appreciate your comments but I really feel that inspired charismatic leaders and statesmen can cause for their citizens to aspire them to reach higher aims: selfactualize and self realize.
Sportsman make great Statesmen. Wishing Navjot Sindhu much luck and success in straightening out chindian occupied Panjab.
winoceros says
This guy reminds me of the last remaining Christian in a Muslim no-go zone cheering because his Muslim neighbor remembered to set the trash out that week.
Hindu American says
My mistake. “Prabh” is in reality a “she”. I discovered this after I foolishly clicked on the link this troll provided in her hate-filled diatribe against Hindus. She belongs to a fringe group of “khalistanis” that want to separate from India by murdering hundreds of Hindus and Sikhs in the Indian state of Punjab. Most Sikhs hate this group and want nothing to do with it.
By the way, that link leads to articles with vile, obnoxious, racist attacks on Africans, East Asians, Jews, Hindus…you name it. All except, you guessed it, the people from the religion of peace.
gravenimage says
True, Hindu American.
gravenimage says
Prabh has done this sort of thing before–the other day he was lauding the vicious Jihadist Anjem Chaudary, claiming that his preaching the mass murder of Britons was–somehow–a defense of white people.
He has also said that Pakistan is the most civilized place in the world–flying in the fact the savage mistreatment of all non-Muslims there–again because of his wonky racial views. *Very* ugly stuff.
Sharyati says
Prabhji are you mad? You still think the concept of Akhand bharat is valid and Imran Khan your beloved PM belongs to Akhand Bharat and not to Dar-ul-Islam?? You are mistaken my friend it is not so. the concept of Akhand bharat, that of the borders of India extending to almost Iran and Central Asia ceased to exist as soon as the Hindus/Buddhists of the Ghandhara(Present Kandahar) and Takshasheela (Modern Taxila again an example of the British inability to pronounce Indian names and screw them up) and Hindu Khush and the Karakorum mountains were slaughtered to death. So similarly also in Vanga(Present Bangladesh and the Indian state of West Bengal combined) country too the Muslim population is increasing due to illegal entry Bangladeshi Muslims(Rohingyas included) and if steps are not taken to stem such a demographic change, Vanga to will become Dar-ul-Islam.
Leave your pipe dream of Akhand Bharat aside
Emilie Green says
“So why Islam is branded so?” Khan asks.
Gonna take a wild-eyed guess here, but it might, it just might, have something to do with all those express instructions on what Muslims are to do to non-Muslims, together with the behavior of your “perfect man” Mohammad. For 1400 years Muslims have been both consistent and constant in following both models of Islamic behavior.
That’s why Islam is so branded as a terror religion.
mortimer says
Why? … the primary source texts say so … “TURHIBUNNA” (terrorize them) Koran 8.60.
Meritt says
You can’t argue with someone who’s blown themselves to smithereens.
Jayell says
“No one ever blamed Hinduism for Tamil Tigers’ bombings or Japanese religion when they blew up themselves on US ships. So why Islam is branded so?”……Well, maybe that’s because (a) this sort of action isn’t specifically prescribed in Hinduism or the religions of Japan but it clearly is in the Holy Writ of islam, (b) there is no history of this sort of thing in any other religion that matches islam’s bloody 1,400 year track record and (c) whilst not every muslim is an open terrorist (not sure about the covert ones), statistics show that over 90% of all acts of terror worldwide are committed by muslims. If Khan isn’t aware of all these facts, why is that? is he happy to appear a prime ignoramus, or is he deliberately spouting a load of inaccurate, misleading garbage? If the latter, does he think that we in the Western world are as apparently ignorant and uninformed as he seems to be happy to give the impression that he is? And what is it about having the name ‘Khan’ that seems to affect people’s ability to engage their intellects in a manner befitting holders of high public office? Because we’ve got another joker in London with the same name whose intellectual talents also seem to be somewhat lacking.
mortimer says
The Koran’s 164 Jihad Verses: K 002:178-179, 190-191, 193-194, 216-218, 244; 003:121-126, 140-143, 146, 152-158, 165-167,169, 172-173, 195; 004:071-072, 074-077, 084, 089-091, 094-095,100-104; 005:033, 035, 082; 008:001, 005, 007, 009-010, 012, 015-017, 039-048,057-060, 065-075; 009:005, 012-014, 016, 019-020, 024-026, 029,036, 038-039, 041, 044, 052, 073, 081, 083,086, 088, 092, 111, 120, 122-123; 016:110; 022:039, 058, 078; 024:053, 055; 025:052; 029:006, 069; 033:015, 018, 020, 023, 025-027, 050; 042:039; 047:004, 020, 035; 048:015-024; 049:015; 059:002, 005-008, 014; 060:009; 061:004, 011, 013; 063:004; 064:014; 066:009; 073:020; 076:008.
Terry Gain says
Khan is just trying to khan the uninformed. We all know that Islam has nothing to do with the TRUTH.
mortimer says
Islam was constructed by the vicious, amoral caliphs from unverifiable legends about an obscure desert raider who probably suffered from temporal-lobe epilepsy according to his symptoms. The Mohammed of the hadiths is clearly mad.
Islam is built on legends that are unreliable and circular arguments that are inconclusive. The corpus of Islamic primary source texts is riddled with factual errors, illogic and self-referential incoherence. Only a complete fool study and analyze the Islamic source texts and remain a Muslim.
Imran Khan is twisting and contorting himself in knots to try to make sense of the MADMAN MOHAMMED. It cannot be done. ISLAM IS MADNESS.
Paul J says
Schizophrenia more like it, Having epilepsy does NOT make you mad, just unconscious, and depressed.
mortimer says
MESSAGE FOR PM IMRAN KHAN: A PAKISTANI GENERAL’S BOOK ON ISLAMIC TERRORISM:
“The Quranic Concept of War”, S. K. Malik, ADAM PUBLISHERS & DISTRIBUTORS
SHANDAR MARKET, CHITLI QABAR, DELHI-110006 (first edition 1979, Lahore)
KEY QUOTE: “Terror struck into the hearts of the enemies is not only a means, it is the end in itself. Once a condition of terror into the opponent’s heart is obtained, hardly anything is left to be achieved. It is the point where the means and the end meet and merge. Terror is not a means of imposing decision upon the enemy; it is the decision we, wish to impose upon him.” p.59
Wellington says
Christianity has been distorted too by some but like Shinto and virtually all other religions except Islam there is nothing in theory which calls for prescriptive warfare against mankind for all time until the entire world is under the dominance of one religion. This distinguishes Islam from all other religions and the chief reason (there are others like death for apostasy and the subordinate role of women {even in the afterlife}) Islam is a menace to mankind as no other religion remotely is. Many people who did not know this about Islam twenty years ago now do but it is imperative that many who still remain willfully and stupidly ignorant of Islam correct this ignorance. The fate of mankind, and especially the West, depends upon this. Knowledge is power.
mortimer says
Islam’s primary source texts are 51% about politics. The caliphate is described and regulated in Sharia law. Islam the religion and its Islamic state are one and indivisible. “Deen”, inaccurately translated as ‘religion’. but it actually derives from a root meaning ‘justice’ or ‘judgement’. ‘DEEN’ is better translated as ‘governance’ or ‘a system of governance’. Sharia law is the embodiment of the ‘DEEN’ and Sharia is recognized as the divinely-given constitution-above-the-constitution in Islamic countries.
For a Muslim, religion is political power.
Wellington says
Thanks for your reply, mortimer.
Well, the way I would sum things up is this way: Any religion can be distorted by some adherents of that religion but Islam IS a distortion of religion per se, so consequently and highly Ironically Muslims who are peaceful and good people are actually engaged in a distortion of Islam. This in and of itself speaks volumes.
Hope you are doing well. Always good to read your comments here at JW. Take care.
James Lincoln says
Wellington says,
“Ironically Muslims who are peaceful and good people are actually engaged in a distortion of Islam.”
100% correct – very insightful.
I never thought of it that way…
Demsci says
Agreed with Wellington. This gives rise to some thoughts. Yes, there is PREscriptive warfare in Islam. But many Muslim and leftist apologists try to alter that into just DEscriptive or time bound in the past. Mostly to a public in the West mind you.
These apologists also tell us that it are the terrorists that “distort Islam”, “taking it out of context”, without much telling why exactly, or with their own distortions and lack of context, that critics can clearly see.
Are some different interpretations of sacred texts just distortions? Or is variety in interpretation possible? This would mean the sacred texts are multi-interpretable. A smorgasbord to choose from, in a cherry picking way. THAT would mean Islam is UNCLEAR.
BUT whereas Leftist apologists will tell us that “the Islam does not exist”, which means that there are multiple interpretations of Islam in practice, Muslims themselves cling to the tenet that the Quran is a clear Divine message and therefore that there is only one Islam (Erdogan). This is a monumental contradiction which for now both Leftists and Muslims mostly overlook. Even Islam critics often think Islam is clearer than leftist apologists do!
When Qanta Ahmed and Asra Nomani appear on Ingraham angle in response to attacks on crosses, as the did the other day, they say that this goes against or is not Islam. Of course they will never say that Islam has plural valid interpretations. But that is the best they could say, seeing that there clearly are so many Muslims who reject them. It is multi-interpretability or they (the good people Wellington mentions) are distorting Islam. As they claim the terrorists, the wahhabis do.
Demsci says
and of course Islam lacks an authoritative Central Authority that can give clearity to the true and full context meaning of all the (parts of) the sacred texts. Oh, there are the Islamic scholars, but they have no real authority and have to contend with the deathpenalty for apostasy, forbidding Muslims to leave Islam, which is the exact opposite of throwing dissenters, heretics, mis interpreters, out.
Rufolino says
Peaceful Moslems of goodwill CANNOT be devout Moslems. It is contradictory.
Unless they break Islamic law, and forget much of the Texts which are “perfect, final, and unalterable.”
Troybeam says
Sorry if this breaks the thread, Troybeam needed to leave us, we have no need for genocidal lunatics
mortimer says
Destroybeam, take your fascism and get out of here. Governments are doing a fine job of fighting the jihadists. Your comments are not only stupid and sophomoric, but they are outrages against human rights. Go away.
Wellington says
Seconded, mortimer. After all, civilization need not be barbaric even though anti-civilization is.
Wellington says
Troybeam: I despise Islam, and I know it well, as does mortimer, but this does not mean, per your warped thinking, that bombing Mecca as well as mosques aplenty is the way to handle this iniquitous ideology.
As for Thomas Jefferson, I did my Master’s thesis in history on his religious thinking and I would bet a case of beer, no, make that three cases, that I know far more about Thomas Jefferson than you do. Take it from here. If you can.
gravenimage says
Troybeam, we don’t defend against Islam by embracing its savage tactics.
Troybeam says
That’s ballsy, can’t keep a good man down, truth hurts the denier. Islam is destructive, face the truth.
mortimer says
PM Imran Khan is trying to find a SIMPLISTIC APPROACH to make the dirty kafirs “JUST SUBMIT TO ISLAM” without a fight.
Khan is trying to say in effect: “JUST SUBMIT TO ISLAM WITHOUT A STRUGGLE … OTHERWISE, IF YOU CONTINUE TO COMPLAIN THAT ISLAM IS VIOLENT, WE WILL HAVE TO KILL YOU.”
Imran Khan does not see the irony in what he is saying.
Anjuli Pandavar says
Done it again, Imran. Just can’t help yourself, can you. Listen, man. The “boundary” in the case of the Kartarpur Corridor is the border between India and Pakistan, not the edge of a cricket field. Similarly, just because Germany and France share a border doesn’t mean you can hit a ball from Germany across the boundary and have it land in Japan. Yes, you were once great, but that was the other boundary, man. So calm down. You don’t have what it takes to wax lyrical on world-historical events, although we understand you have so much charisma that some will publicly lick you shiny as a cricket ball, just for crossing a border. Stick with that and you’ll be alright. And please, please don’t go bothering the UN about this.
Hugh Fitzgerald says
Thank you, Mr. Pandavar, for mentioning the Kartarpar Corridor – which Prabh mentions above as one more wonderful thing that Imran Khan has done. Really? It’s a short road, which connects the Sikh shrines of Dera Baba Nanak Sahib (located in Punjab, India) and Gurdwara Darbar Sahib (in Punjab, Pakistan), allowing Sikhs to travel from the former to the latter without needing visas. Convenient, but no reason for anyone to wax ecstatic over Pakistan as Prabh does.
Meanwhile, in Peshawar, a noted Sikh interfaith and peace activist, Charjaheet Singh, was murdered by Muslims. Some claim it was carried out by members of the ISI, to terrify Sikhs. 3000 Sikhs came out to protest. His murder is one of ten murders of prominent Sikhs in Peshawar in the last few years. The Sikhs I know from Pakistan have nothing good to say about their lives in that country. And they are not fans of Imran Khan.
Anjuli Pandavar says
I expect you know that at the time of its opening, the Kartarpur Corridor was all-round touted as proof of Pakistan’s care for its minorities. Exactly how dumb (or sycophantic, in the case of Prabh) do you have to be to fall for that?
BTW, it’s Ms Pandavar 🙂
Clayton Norcroft says
Is the image of Islam “declining in the West”? I get the impression that Imran Khan’s version of the facts is actually becoming ever stronger here. The soft-headed argument that Islam is like all other religions, and nobody blames them for the actions of their worst, passes for enlightened to the point of being a required orthodoxy, any difference from which will bring an Inquisition down on you with the wrath of God. It takes an unusually independent mind, and a lot of information, to buck this trend.
James Lincoln says
Clayton Norcroft says,
“It takes an unusually independent mind, and a lot of information, to buck this trend.”
I believe that the trend could be bucked if the left – controlled mainstream media did a 180 and finally started telling the truth about Islam.
mortimer says
Response to JL: there are signs the Left is turning against Islam now. They are admitting in private that jihadism is part of Islam and that Islam is misogynistic. They are not so sure any more that Muslims are their allies. The Muslims too are realizing that the axis is shifting. Soon Muslim political parties will appear in the West. Any Muslim who doesn’t join the Muslim parties will be denounced as a partial apostate. The Left is still trying to win Muslim votes by sucking up to Islam. Eventually, they will give that up.
James Lincoln says
mortimer says:
“Soon Muslim political parties will appear in the West.”
That is a true statement, in fact has already started.
Belgium now has the Islam party – the goal being to replace all civil and penal codes with sharia law.
The Socialist party in Belgium fears the rise of the Islam party. After all, Muslims always vote as a block.
Is it possible that the left is finally starting to feels cognitive dissonance?
Your comments appear to be on target.
Demsci says
It is happening in my country, Holland, as well. We now have the Muslim party DENK, a few of whose leaders are ex-socialist party (that PvdA, not SP). The PvdA was very low in the polls, but is now recovering a bit. But it seems that no longer the Muslims are voting for the PvdA en bloc. And one can hope that the socialists no longer cater so much for Muslim interests as they used to.
Incidental; only the other day I witnessed a person voting for the left telling a Muslim who asserted that Islam did not advocate discrimination that that was not true, pointing out ISIS’s discriminations, and she brushed aside the argument of the Muslim that that was not real Islam. This from a person who always defended Muslims when I argued with her against Islam. I was astounded and later told her how much I appreciated that short intervention.
gravenimage says
Yes–Muslim politicians and parties are a real danger.
Walter Sieruk says
Linking Islam with Islamic terrorism is keeping within the bounds of reality . How about posing another question , which is “What else is any rational person to think since even America’s “friend” and “ally” in the Middle East promotes Islamic terrorism and even encourages Muslims to become Muslim terrorists ?”
As the “friend” of the USA which is the Islamic kingdom of Saudi Arabia has not and will not spare any of its vast oil wealth as to use its financial resources to fund and promote the advancement of Islam by and through the jihad. By this it means both the stealth jihad and even the subtle support violent jihad.
As explained, for example in the book HOW ISLAM PLANS TO CHANGE THE WORLD by William Wagner. For on pages 109, 110. The reader is informed that “The Wall Street journal on April 15, 2003 published an article titled ‘In law Seminars, A Saudi Group Spreads Extremism.’ The article began by saying ‘In late February more than 300 young men from across Europe gathered for a weekend seminar on Islamic Law put on by Al-Waqf al-Islaami Foundation.’ The article went on to explain that the most famous graduates from the seminar were half a dozen members of the group of young men from Hamburg, Germany, who plotted the September 11, attacks. The language of the was Dutch, but ‘the message was imported from Saudi Arabia, via Saudi books and lecturers who taught a strict orthodox interpretation of Islam.’ “
Further on the very same page of 110 the information is given that “TIME MAGAZINE , in an article on Saudi Arabia: Inside the Kingdom,’ stated ‘Apart from channeling money to foundations that have assisted terrorist groups, Saudis have for years supported institutions abroad the propagate Wahhabism.’”
In addition to all this, in the book of the title of THE HISTORY OF JIHAD FROM MUHAMMAD TO ISIS, by Robert Spencer on pages 333 through 337.Mr Spencer provides valid information of the subject of “ The Saudi involvement in September 11.”
So with that Islamic regime of Saudi Arabia and its oil money support the different type of the jihad, both stealth and the violent kind, with its Islamic agenda advancement and spread , influence and infiltration of the Western nations ,this kingdom of Saudi Arabia is no friend at all of America or any other country of the West.
Walter Sieruk says
As for the question “Is it unfair to link Islam to terrorism?” Well there are ,indeed different types of terrorism .For example that are Marxist terrorists and anarchist terrorism and even environmental terrorism . So where is Islamic terrorism and those who engage in it, Muslim terrorists fit into the whole picture ?
So linking Islamic terrorism with is is totally realistic ,because its completely based on religion. Which is thee religion of Islam For Islam’s “holy book” the Qur ‘an [the Koran] instructs on the use of violence and killing for the advancement of Islam. As found in ,for example 2:191. 4:89. 5:33. 9:5,111,123. 47:4. Furthermore, it may be illustrated that if Islam is represented as a tree then the fruits then the fruits of that tree are the many brutal, violent and deadly jihad terror entities. Such as ISIS, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, al Shabaab , Hamas, Hezbollah, P.I.J. etc. With this statement, the Wisdom of the teachings of Jesus may, very much, apply to this subject. For Jesus taught “Ye do know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.” After saying this Jesus told them what He told them when He said “By their fruit ye shall know them.” Matthew 7:16, 17, 18,.20. [K.J.V.]
In conclusion, Islam is a corrupt tree and also a false religion, Proverbs 14:12. John 14:6. First John 2:22,23. 4:14,15. 5:12,13,20. and it’s therefore fair to Link Islam with Islamic terrorism.
Michael Copeland says
“The Quran directly commands us to commit terrorism, so why are we afraid of it?” —
Ragab Hilal Hamida, Egyptian MP, former imam,
in the Egyptian Parliament, January 2006
Islamaphone says
One wonders if the Religion of Terrorism’s 9/11 attacks were inspired by the quasi-Shinto attacks on Pearl Harbor.
Eric Jones says
Imran Khan is a con man and reminds me of a used car salesman. I don’t believe a word he says.
Eric
WPM says
I am far from a religious expect ,but the bottom line is we in America want to end the war of people who would to commit suicide for an idolatry so we drop two atomic bombs on country we were fighting to end it. It should be explain to the people of all Islamic countries to defend us Americans we might have to repeat the same message .WE were attacked at Pearl Harbor fought 4 years the Germans gave up after Hitler,s death the Japanese wanted to fight to the last man is that the message he is sending to the West??That we have to resort to the Atomic bomb as we did in Japan?
abad says
Moslems want to kill you.
Christians want to convert you.
That’s why.
gravenimage says
Imran Khan on the Unfairness of Linking Islam to Terrorism
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By “unfair” he means that pious Muslims don’t want Infidels to learn the truth.
Manny says
The Koran itself says to strike terror. You would have to be an idiot not to associate terror and Islam. Of course they are linked.
TKF says
To paraphrase the late Richard Pryor…”Who you gonna a believe…. Imran Kahn or your lying eyes?
carolyne says
One would think that once having been married to Jemima Goldsmith, a bit of civilization would have rubbed onto him but apparently not.
Bikinis not Burkas says
Islam is based on TERRORISM, read Quran 8:12
Ravi says
What a certifiable Idiot, a perfect fit to run a shithole like Pakistan
Prabh says
I feel the key to dissolving the shackles of Islam rests in anthropology as well as the creation of regenerate Art. Drama as an art form cannot exist in absence of a Natural Beauty. Islam and Chindia r conspiring to cut off tribal racial ethnic roots of Afpak peoples. This will not end well. Islam in its most fanatic form destroys Beauty whereas caste system in theory protects Culture and Beauty. China’s one belt one road is gencidal to last remaining pure ancient AryaCaucasian peoples. Hands off Afpak region Kakocratic Chindia! fyi
Interesting article Below:
https://www.counter-currents.com/2018/08/civic-nationalism-the-diaspora-question/
gravenimage says
No, oppressing “untouchables” does not protect beauty–unless you consider persecution beautiful, as the appalling Prabh clearly does.
Thankfully, very few Hindus think this way.