The American and Afghan governments have warned “that the Islamic State is dramatically expanding its footprint in Afghanistan and planning to use it as a base for attacks on Western countries, including the United States.”
The Islamic State, despite losing territory in Syria and Iraq, has long called for attacks on Western nations globally. General Joseph Votel–head of the US military’s Central Command–also stated months ago “that it was necessary to maintain a vigilant offensive against the now largely dispersed and disaggregated [IS] that retains leaders, fighters, facilitators, resources and the profane ideology that fuels their efforts”. The “profane ideology” to “Kill them wherever you find them” (Qur’an 2:191, 4:89) has infiltrated all Western countries, while Leftists fall for the “Islamophobia” trap.
Yesterday, Jihad Watch reported that a “major Taliban sanctuary and weapons storage area” was found in a mosque. While Western authorities largely fail to recognize what the obvious jihadist threat is about, using a mosque–a place of worship–is highly significant in further demonstrating the clear religious motive in the global jihad. “Afghan armed forces carefully conducted the operation to bust the sanctuary of the group considering the sacred place of mosque.”
“Experts: Islamic State Reshaping the Jihadi Landscape of Afghanistan”, by John Hayward, Breitbart, June 10, 2019:
U.S. and Afghan government officials warned on Monday that the Islamic State is dramatically expanding its footprint in Afghanistan and planning to use it as a base for attacks on Western countries, including the United States.
Analysts told the Associated Press that ISIS has been practicing for action in the West with terrorist attacks in Kabul, stockpiling of weapons, and recruiting locals to learn the battlefield tactics it developed in Syria and Iraq:
A U.S. intelligence official based in Afghanistan told The Associated Press that a recent wave of attacks in the capital, Kabul, is “practice runs” for even bigger attacks in Europe and the United States.
“This group is the most near-term threat to our homelands from Afghanistan,” the official said on condition of anonymity to preserve his operational security. “The IS core mandate is: You will conduct external attacks” in the U.S. and Europe. “That is their goal. It’s just a matter of time,” he said. “It is very scary.”
Bruce Hoffman, director of the Center for Security Studies at Georgetown University, sees Afghanistan as a possible new base for IS now that it has been driven from Iraq and Syria. “ISIS has invested a disproportionate amount of attention and resources in Afghanistan,” he said, pointing to “huge arms stockpiling” in the east.
The Islamic State now has a significant presence in four of the most dangerous provinces of mountainous northern Afghanistan and is developing influence on par with the Afghan government and the Taliban. Its military strength has been bolstered by fighters from Central Asia, Chechnya, India, Bangladesh, and ethnic Uighurs from China.
The U.S. intelligence official quoted by the Associated Press theorized ISIS has designs on encircling and capturing Jalalabad and could be in a position to launch attacks on the U.S. or Europe within a year. At least eight terrorism arrests in the United States have been linked to ISIS in Afghanistan. The terrorist group is said to be aggressively recruiting well-educated Afghans as overseas operatives.
“The Taliban and IS are sharply divided over ideology and tactics, with the Taliban largely confining their attacks to government targets and Afghan and international security forces. The Taliban and IS have fought each other on a number of occasions, and the Taliban are still the larger and more imposing force,” the AP noted.
The threat is grave enough to make Western and Russian analysts consider using the Taliban as a weapon to blunt the spread of ISIS. Unfortunately, there is also a chance more Taliban will defect and join ISIS as peace negotiations between the Taliban and the Kabul government proceed.
The Russians are even more alarmed about the growing strength of ISIS in Afghanistan. Russia’s FSB security service warned in late May that ISIS has some 5,000 militants in northern Afghanistan, over twice as many as the U.S. military estimated last year, and many of them are battle-hardened veterans of the Syrian civil war…..
RichardL says
this is a free ad taken out by the pro-war guys. No US soldier should be based in Afghanistan. You can have drones up in the sky by Airforce guys sitting in Nevada and do all the killing necessary.
Tom says
Just killing isn’t the objective. Troops are on the ground to protect the indigenous population and win hearts and minds by helping with their every day lives. Otherwise all that happens is the insurgents and terror groups become stronger and more of an imminent threat to the population and have a strong base of operations for attacks outside Afghanistan.
Boots on the ground are a necessity, albeit a grudging one.
Savvy Kafir says
Afghanistan is not worth one American life. It is one of the most savage and unsalvageable nations on Earth.
Trying to win the hearts & minds of Muslims is a losing game — and far too expensive in terms of lives & money.
I agree with RichardL — our actions there should be limited to drone strikes & other airstrikes, with no American boots on the ground.
Tom says
You miss the point. It’s not about saving Afghanistan, it’s about saving lives in the west.
Any strategy that involves locking ourselves in our country and sitting waiting for terror attacks is a losing strategy. Winning a war is not about waiting for the enemy to strike, it is about grabbing the initiative and taking the war to the enemies home base. Being proactive and aggressive wins wars, not sitting in a bunker and waiting for an attack.
We have to weaken them in their homeland in any way we can. Which includes boots on the ground and winning hearts and minds.
It has been proven successful in many insurgencies in the past.
gravenimage says
Richard, I don’t believe that telling the truth–that ISIS is expanding in Afghanistan–is calling for any specific strategy. I, for one, prefer to know what is actually going on.
J D.S says
I would like to know that our military, with all their technology, have hands on knowledge of every move that ISIS or any other Terrorist organization in Afghanistan is up to but in reality they probably don’t. In reality the only way to solve the Afghanistan/ISIS/ al-Qaida/Terrorist group problem is…mushroom clouds over that country or any other place that lives on terrorism and can not or will not live peacefully….NO MUSLIM NSTION WILL EVER LIVE PEACEFULLY UNLESS.______________________________Fill in the blank.
RichardL says
Tom, I assume, like me you are in the military, hearts and minds works in cultures that have the same hearts and minds. Muslims don’t. I am married to a former Muslim whose family is majority Muslim Brotherhood. They fly their pregnant wives to NY to have US passport for their Muslim Brotherhood brood. Islam and civilisation don’t mix. It is like shit and cream: mix a little shit in cream and everything is shit. I mourn every brother who has fallen in an islamic country, but I don’t want a single other brother from another mother to suffer for Mohammedans. Not A Single One.
Tom says
RichardL
I appreciate your point of view and respect your insight. I am not now in the military but was in the Royal Marines at one time.
I know that in places like Oman and other Middle Eastern countries the hearts and minds strategy was developed by the Brits and worked very well in turning the insurgency around.
The issue of Islam has been one that military forces have had to grapple with for many years and brute force alone has never been a successful strategy, but combined with a population protection and life improvement strategy, those conflicts have been able to be resolved.
Did it take lives, yes of course, but fighting for our country and its allies is what we signed up for as military personnel.
Is it right to send young men and women to foreign lands to lay down their lives, no, but sometimes it is necessary in order to prevent more loss of civilian life at home.
If we don’t deal with the issue over there, we will very soon be dealing with it over here.
Peace brother.
Sam says
No American soldier should be subjected to being killed by these brainwashed idiots. We should help fighters against Islam but not with the lives of our youth. Other nations have to learn to solve their problems without American blood.
christianblood says
In the meantime, US is redeploying its failed Syrian jihadist proxies, (including members of ISIS) to the Donbass region of Ukraine to start a murderous islamic jihad against the Russian-speaking Ukrainians in that region! More of this below:
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/447536-isis-chechen-islamists-ukraine/
mortimer says
The Bloodthirstypseudochristian’s SOPHOMORIC DIGRESSIONS are monomaniacal, simply-minded, simplistic, and fixated on perceptions centered on the MEDIEVAL BARBARIC PRACTICES of vicious, backward, paranoid dictators. This purely GENOCIDAL and MONOMANIACAL fixation should be denounced by everyone at Jihad Watch.
Your NEUROTIC, paranoid, genocidal, monomaniacal NON-SEQUITURS are NOT WANTED BY ANYONE HERE. Go away.
Ma No says
I take exception, that was an interesting linked article and worth considering. Probably at least a little truth to it.
christianblood says
Ma No
You are right, just as the US used its jihadist proxies for decades in Afghanistan, Chechnya, Kosovo, Bosnia, Libya, Syria and Yemen
US is now trying to redeploy its ISIS and Al-Qaeda proxies from Syria to Eastern Ukraine to start a bloody jihad against the Russian-speaking Ukrainians in the region. Below is the former US national security adviser encouraging Taliban and Al-Qaeda leaders to fight the former socialist government in Afghanistan and telling them that “allah is on their side”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9RCFZnWGE0
christianblood says
President Reagan host Taliban and Al-Qaeda jihadist leaders at the White House, calls them “freedom fighters”!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3f9mlUQzJA
gravenimage says
Notice that christianblood does not say why ISIS would be targeting America if the US was actually ISIS.
And he has either denied that it was the US that destroyed the Islamic State, or else condemned us for doing so.
christianblood says
gravenimage
Whatever the US does around the world is disgusting, politically-correct, pro-Islam, pro-jihadists, anti-Christian, abhorrent, despicable, loathsome, repulsive, detestable, execrable, offensive, revolting, abominable, awful, distasteful, gruesome, hateful, horrific and morally degenerate! May God deal with the US and its godless, materialistic Western allies and its tyrannical savage jihadist allies like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar and others!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2FKn4aMOoQ
kuriakose says
I take exception too. There is plenty of truth in what he says, so why try to shut him down using fancy language?
??? SOPHOMORIC DIGRESSIONS are monomaniacal, simply-minded, simplistic, and fixated on perceptions centered on the MEDIEVAL BARBARIC PRACTICES of vicious, backward, paranoid dictators. This purely GENOCIDAL and MONOMANIACAL fixation should be denounced by everyone at Jihad Watch. ?????
If you wish to prove him wrong then please do.
I see the point he is making, ie that if the US is in bed with islamist regimes, how can you ever win the war against jihad?
Many of these dictators are cultivated by the US and its allies.
gravenimage says
What christianblood and kuriakose are both trying to sell here is that the West should be conquered and destroyed by Muslims. They have both said this quite explicitly.
kuriakose says
Only in your deluded mind. Please demonstrate where I said such a thing explicitly.
Your inabilty to gainsay what I said, and your refusal to accept the evil that your country has done and is doing now leads to a wilful blindness on your part.
“Is it little wonder, then, that these self-absorbed, egocentric Christians would feel no guilt or remorse when – in their name and the name of their God – American multinational corporations and the military which supports them plunder the poor of the earth in countries such as Guatemala, Honduras, Thailand, the Philippines, the Ukraine, the former Yugoslavia, etc. for the benefit of the American New World Order System. What a ‘turn-off’ this kind of Christianity is to unbelievers.
kuriakose says
Look at your filthy country-it is decaying within.
Eg child drag queens-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxdvOLdG_34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlCu_P6TFmE
The fall of great civilisations start with moral decay within. You are no christian, you have no understanding of the scriptures and what God has to say about people who continually sin. Is that wishing the west to fall? Or just stating the consequences of moral decay?
Are these people wishing islam to take over the West?
Eg
Harold Pinter: I suggest that US foreign policy can still be defined as “kiss my ass or I’ll kick your head in.” But of course it doesn’t put it like that. It talks of “low intensity conflict…” What all this adds up to is a disease at the very centre of language, so that language becomes a permanent masquerade, a tapestry of lies.
“It never happened. Nothing ever happened. Even while it was happening it wasn’t happening. It didn’t matter. It was of no interest”, Pinter explained about the death and destruction caused by the United States across the globe. He went on: “The crimes of the United States have been systematic, constant, vicious, remorseless, but very few people have actually talked about them.”
The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or religion but rather by superiority in the applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do.” – Samuel P. Huntington
In War is a Racket, two-time Medal of Honor recipient Major General Smedley Butler described the many mendacious FALSE FLAG operations he was involved in at the instigation of America’s elites at the turn of the last century:
“I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested.”
I could fill books with like statements and articles by intellectuals.
Intellects like Michel Chossudovsky, Noam Chomsky say the same thing-meticulously documented research. The only flaw with some of them is that they do not take the muslim threat seriously enough. A pea brain like you has no standing whatsoever. How low can you get, with that snide remark about love. Probably the only claim to fame you have is as bleater in chief on JW.
gravenimage says
This is pretty damned explicit–kuriakose says that it is the judgement of God for us to be conquered by Muslims:
“But the West remains the greatest enemy of Christianity. And the filth and decadence prevailing there can only invite in the end, judgement from God. That’s why muhameddans are being allowed to run freely into the west and cause havoc. You do understand karma don’t you?”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/05/syria-christian-city-attacked-by-jihadist-militia-missiles-killing-6-civilians-injuring-6-children#comment-2098878
Note that he doesn’t consider Muslims shelling a Christian city to be enemies of Christianity–but he considers the Christian West to be.
Then, the main problems in Thailand and the Philippines is the Muslim insurgency, not American free trade. Actually, Thailand especially is an economic success story.
On other matters, of course this situation with the child drag queen is unhealthy. Believing that replacing whatever problems the West may have with a creed that sacralizes child rape, though, is just bizarre. kuriakose *does* understand that child rape is illegal in the West, doesn’t he?
As for Michel Chossudovsky, he is a 9/11 “Truther” who claims that “9/11 was a United States government conspiracy to start the Iraq War and enable a ‘new world order’ to help corporate interests”.
And Noam Chomsky has claimed that it is not Islam that commits terrorism, but instead the West. Just grotesque.
And what “snide remark” have I made about love? Citations, or this is just calumny.
I am actually very much an advocate of love, something that does not exist under Islam–which kuriakose wants to see imposed on us.
And I am actually not unknown as an artist and writer–but in any case, it should not surprise that kuriakose hates someone who regularly opposes Jihad.
gravenimage says
I think I found the reference to love–I said, “it’s love” below, over the obvious love affair between these two haters of the West.
Saying “how low can you get” over such a mild reference is just bizarre. kuriakose has never said anything similar about Jihadists, including ISIS. Very telling.
kuriakose says
Like I said you do not understand Christian scripture. Don’t lie that you are a Christian. How you twist my words to make it that I want islam to conquer the west. Sorry to say this but you seem to lack logical thinking.
Here is what Dr Michael Youssef, a Minister of God,, who preaches to the muslims, says:
” Yes, God has promised to heal our land if we turn to Him, humble ourselves, pray, and turn from our wicked ways.But God has also promised that if we are unfaithful to Him, if we serve other gods and worship them, then He will bring disaster upon us. (From the book The Barbarians are here).
So according to you, Dr Youssef is wishing islamic tyranny upon you? What a perverted logic. Stop justifying your idiotic comments.
Continuing, he says- What if the abortion and sexual depravity in our culture (ie American, as he is a US citizen) are not so much the causes of the decline of the West as symptons of a deeper sickness? God has promised that if we in the church repent of our sins and turn back to God, then He would heal our land. Perhaps if the church turned away from its apostasy, God would heal our civilisation of abortion and sexual depravity-and of the debt that will soon collape our economy; and of the lies, bribery influence peddling, and corruption of our public officials; and of the racial strife that is dividing our society and of the violence that is destroying our communities…..
Continuing….What are the sins of the church? The same Israel committed in the OT-sins of spiritual adultery, of unfaithfulness to God and his word.
Further…..There are always conssequences when God’s people cease to honour him and obey his word. When the Israelites turned their back on God, he removed His Hand of protection from them, and they became victims of the terrorists of that time, the Babylonians.
Read Habakkuk, Ezekiel, Isaiah, and the other prophets instead of trying to prove I am a supporter of islam. But I forget, you do not understand the BIble.
It is clear that the sexualising of young girls is taking place in the West, without any islamic influence. Do not justify that by pointing to islam. You should be marching in the streets against this sort of thing. Infowars reporter Millie Weaver goes undercover as ‘Rainbow Snatch’ to the Austin International Drag Festival to investigate how children are being over-sexualized and indoctrinated into fetish lifestyles. The drag festival was sated with raunchy language and provocative dancing with very young children participating. Astonishingly, the afternoon event climaxed with a burlesque dance from an 11-year-old transgender boy.
And the West is full of paedophiles too, eg, : Elijah Wood Calls Out Hollywood’s Pedophile Problem: https://www.thedailybeast.com/elijah-wood-calls-out-hollywoods-pedophile-problem
Plenty of investigative journalism on paedophilia in high places in the US, UK, etc.
kuriakose says
Hi Bleater in chief: So your claim to fame is as an artist? Maybe you should have studied some logic in school. I notice your most brilliant comments are more based on emotion, eg +1, agreed, hear hear, fine post blah blah. The way you jump on anyone who even remotely believes differently trying to insinuate some support for islam on their part is really shameful.
Well you can discount Michel Chossudovsky, Chomsky etc but a wise person will actually look at what they say and consider the facts. As I said, I do not agree that they seem to differentiate between radical islam and islam. But they certainly have given conclusive evidence of the US’s nefarious activities since ending of WW2. Your discounting them without any evidence to gainsay what they, and how many others say, only show you up as person who lacks logical thinking. How many more researchers say the same thing about the US? Former CIA people, like Ray Mc Govern, John Kiriakou, Robert Bauer, Michael Scheur, etc etc.The US has many persons of deep integrity still, and these people are courageous enough to expose the US role in overthrowing nationalistic leaders, to plant their candidate to do the globalist elites bidding. That’s what you refuse to see, that the US is controlled by the elites, who do not have any loyalty to any country except money and power. It is all over the internet, any intelligent person can read, study the evidence and come to the inevitable conclusion.
And where did I say that I wanted the Christian town to be taken over by ISIS? Just pointing out that the Syrians, especially the Christians are grateful to the Syrian Army and the Russians for saving them, but highly skeptical of the American effort against ISIS.
And re Thailand, you are ignorant like most Americans of Siamese history. Yes, nothing to do with the Americans, but more to do with the fact that northern muslim malay states of Malaya were paying tribute to the kingdom of Siam.So when borders of Malay were settled by the British, S Thailand was mostly muslims. And knowing them, they want independence and are emboldened by the calls from their brothers to fight off the infidels..
Phillipines was taken over by the US after the Spanish left, and dictatiors like Marcos, etc were fostered by the US. Some history for yoyur enlightenment:
The Philippine–American War,[11] also referred to as the Filipino–American War, the Philippine War, the Philippine Insurrection or the Tagalog Insurgency[12][13] (Filipino: Digmaang Pilipino-Amerikano; Spanish: Guerra Filipino-Estadounidense), was an armed conflict between the First Philippine Republic and the United States that lasted from February 4, 1899, to July 2, 1902.[1] While Filipino nationalists viewed the conflict as a continuation of the struggle for independence that began in 1896 with the Philippine Revolution, the U.S. government regarded it as an insurrection. The conflict arose when the First Philippine Republic objected to the terms of the Treaty of Paris under which the United States took possession of the Philippines from Spain, ending the short Spanish–American War.[15]
Fighting erupted between forces of the United States and those of the Philippine Republic on February 4, 1899, in what became known as the 1899 Battle of Manila. On June 2, 1899, the First Philippine Republic officially declared war against the United States.[16][17] The war officially ended on July 2, 1902, with a victory for the United States. However, some Philippine groups—led by veterans of the Katipunan, a Philippine revolutionary society—continued to battle the American forces for several more years. Among those leaders was General Macario Sakay, a veteran Katipunan member who assumed the presidency of the proclaimed “Tagalog Republic”, formed in 1902 after the capture of President Emilio Aguinaldo. Other groups, including the Moro and Pulahan peoples, continued hostilities in remote areas and islands, until their final defeat at the Battle of Bud Bagsak on June 15, 1913
The war resulted in the deaths of at least 200,000 Filipino civilians, mostly due to famine and disease. Some estimates for total civilian dead reach up to a million. The war, and especially the following occupation by the U.S., changed the culture of the islands, leading to the disestablishment of the Catholic Church in the Philippines as a state religion, and the introduction of English to the islands as the primary language of government, education, business, industry, and, in future decades, among upper-class families and educated individuals. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine%E2%80%93American_War
The US had a important airbase there during the Vietnam war. By fostering a dictator like Marcos, the country had and still has a big divide between the ultra rich and the poor.
Not a good legacy I’m afraid. And of course the south being full of muhameddans, are itching to establish their caliphate, with all the encouragement they see primarily from the Taliban’s success in overthrowing the Soviet assisted regime. And it is your wonderful country that helpled to train these jihadis, and thus give them and encouragement and legitimacy in these parts.
I support christianblood whenever he does state the truth, end of story. Truth is what matters to me.
Well, learn to debate intelligently. The fight against islam need better brains than what you possess.
And don’t whitewash what your country has been doing all the while since WW2, by just focusing on islam. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
gravenimage says
Actually, there are Chechen Jihadists fighting on both side of the conflict. The idea that it is actually the US that is in charge of Chechnyan Jihadists is just ludicrous.
kuriakose says
christianblood:
The problem here is that some people cannot or refuse to recognise the evil within. Looking wih a microscope at the evil without, they are wilfully blind to the evil within.
“The wicked are wicked, no doubt, and they go astray and they fall, and they come by their deserts; but who can tell the mischief which the very virtuous do?”
― William Makepeace Thackeray, Vanity Fair
They look on the machinations of the US and its allies as some aberration, to be forgotten and of no consequence. Never mind the misery and suffering it has caused to so many peoples in poor countries.
I found this article very interesting: https://www.antipasministries.com/html/file0000187.htm.
THE AMERICAN EMPIRE:
The Corporate / Pentagon / CIA / Missionary Archipelago
Some excerpts: “… so-called (American patriots – including much of today’s evangelicals) not only do not disapprove of atrocities committed by … (the United States), but they have a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.”
– Adapted from a saying by George Orwell
“Notes on Nationalism,” 1945
How convenient for American corporate interests which get into trouble with indigenous populations in foreign lands as a result of their own cupidity and avarice. Blame their troubles on the communists, wave the flag back home, and call in the American military to “save the country for democracy” – and to hell with the lives of the American soldiers which would be lost as a result, to say nothing of the lives of the native population of the “host countries.”
This is the modus operandi of the US, a proxy for the shadowy global elite who control most of the world’s wealth and mean to control all of it. That will be the time predicted in the Bible as the reign of the antichrist.
How can they claim to fight the evil of islam when they are as bad as them?
G Bush-‘Either you are with us or against us’.
Well, Mr Bush, both of you are not much better than the other, so I would opt for neither.
christianblood says
kuriakose posted
(…The problem here is that some people cannot or refuse to recognise the evil within. Looking wih a microscope at the evil without, they are wilfully blind to the evil within…THE AMERICAN EMPIRE:The Corporate / Pentagon / CIA / Missionary Archipelago Some excerpts: “… so-called (American patriots – including much of today’s evangelicals) not only do not disapprove of atrocities committed by … (the United States), but they have a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them…)
Exactly right, Kuriakose!
The U$A has invaded and bombed more countries and killed over 20 million citizens of those countries since 1945 and it is criminally mind-boggling that not only the US governments and the US population are unable to recognize those evil and murderous atrocities they have committed against humanity. More of this below:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-killed-more-than-20-million-people-in-37-victim-nations-since-world-war-ii/5492051
gravenimage says
christianblood has done this many times–claimed that the US defeating the Fascists, saving South Korea from Communism, and ending the Islamic State means we are evil. Just appalling.
kuriakose says
christianblood: Even Mahathir scoffs at the Dutch official report on MH 17: ttps://www.globalresearch.ca/the-downing-of-malaysian-airlines-mh17-mahathir-opens-a-ukraine-political-pandoras-box/5680097
‘ “They are accusing Russia, but where is the evidence? We know the missile that brought down the plane is a Russian type missile, but it could also be made in Ukraine.”
The blunt-spoken Mahathir added,
“You need strong evidence to show it was fired by the Russians; it could be by the rebels in Ukraine, it could be Ukrainian government because they too have the same missile.”
He went on to demand that the Malaysian government be allowed to inspect the black box of the crashed plane, stating the obvious, that the plane belongs to Malaysia, with Malaysian pilot and there were Malaysians passengers:
“We may not have the expertise but we can buy the expertise. For some reasons, Malaysia was not allowed to check the black box to see what happened.”
He went on to state,
“We don’t know why we are excluded from the examination but from the very beginning, we see too much politics in it, and the idea was not to find out how this happened, but seems to be concentrated on trying to pin it to the Russians.“
The US Nato regime needs a compliant President, not one allied with the Russians or neutral. Never mind if Nazi elements are present in the Ukraine govt:
Most people do not realize that the Kiev regime includes a powerful Neo-Nazi faction, largely because the media never mentions it.
Andriy Parubiy who is currently president (chair) of the Ukrainian Parliament (Rada) (with executive functions within the government) is co-founder of the Neo-Nazi Social-National Party of Ukraine (subsequently renamed Svoboda).
Prior to becoming president (chair) of the Parliament, he was Secretary of the National Security and National Defense Committee (RNBOU) which overseas the Ministry of Defense, the Armed Forces, Law Enforcement, National Security and Intelligence.
Andriy Parubiy is a follower of Ukrainian Nazi Stepan Bandera, who collaborated in the mass murderer of Jews and Poles during World War II.
And Neo-Nazi leader Parubiy is routinely received with red carpet treatment in Canada, the US and the European Union. And the Western media applauds.
Military aid is channelled to the Armed Forces and Ukraine’s National Guard.
Never mind the nazi elements, after all they are friends of the US/Nato alliance and enemies of Russia.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-kiev-regime-is-not-officially-a-neo-nazi-government/5384722
Also re Chechnya, Kosove etc:
https://www.antipasministries.com/html/file0000171.htm
christianblood says
kuriakose posted
(…We don’t know why we are excluded from the examination but from the very beginning, we see too much politics in it, and the idea was not to find out how this happened, but seems to be concentrated on trying to pin it to the Russians…Neo-Nazi leader Parubiy is routinely received with red carpet treatment in Canada, the US and the European Union. And the Western media applauds…)
Mahatir is absolutely right and thanks for “antipasministries” link that you shared, it is a great ministry indeed! The fact is the U$A is mafia state!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Skyw2TH29s
gravenimage says
It’s love…
somehistory says
Well it was obvious that they went someplace when they abandoned their wives and children in Syria. And it was also obvious that they wouldn’t just stop fighting and begin sitting on their hands.
Putting it all together: isis is training for more war, esp against the U.S. isis has operatives travelling to Trinidad and other island countries, and from there to countries in South America.. El Salvador, Honduras, etc. and then joining the “caravans” coming up through Mexico and being allowed into the U.s. Hundreds of thousands of adults are being ferreted about the country…to places in Texas, NM, Florida, NY, etc. and given permits to work…and find work they will, in banks and IT departments everywhere. The “migrant children” they are bringing with them are being gathered to places like military bases in OK as many of the children are not the children of those bringing them in.
satan is directing this warfare as he schemes to make his wild beast ruler over the entire planet of people.
Westman says
Nothing could reduce the standing of Islam in the West more quickly than jihad attacks. If Western Muslims refuse to identify and report these violent jihadis they will be considered by the general public to be accomplices, whether justified or not.
If the Amish, Mormons, Seventh Day, Scientologists, etc were dealing with mayhem in their name, they wouldn’t hesitate to squash it. What makes Islam unable to police itself?
Keya says
Because Muslims believe that terrorist are not Muslims. Terrorists have no religion and Islam is inherently peaceful.
gravenimage says
Muslims don’t actually believe this–they are just telling Muslims this.
gravenimage says
Oops–I meant to say, “Muslims don’t actually believe this–they are just telling non-Muslims this”.
Demsci says
To be clear, the West wants to win the war against the jihadists and prevent as much terrorist attacks as possible. But WHEN these happen, can we hope that their occurrence further sways public opinion, against the religion Islam and Muslims migrating into the West?! From the jihadist and even stealthy expansionist Muslims standpoint; Aren’t terror acts counterproductive? From our standpoint; will too many terror attacks finally lead to effective democratic countermeasures? In the way that continuous Muslim immigration and stealth jihad will not?
gravenimage says
Not necessarily, Demsci. Some seem to regard almost any number of Jihad terror attacks the “new normal”, and are prepared to live with it.
Demsci says
Indeed Islam does not police itself by throwing out and disavowing members. Instead, on pain of death, all members, by birth or conversion, are forbidden to leave Islam. And there is no powerful central authority that can impose it’s teachings and will on members.
Demsci says
In the West, many governments and security agencies have as logical good negative goals; of DEFENSE against terrorist attacks. The general public demands that. Many resources must be used for that purpose, including the most technical advanced tools.
But what is their, and our, overall positive goal? For me it is to protect the full democratic system at all costs and even let it eventually proliferate amongst most nations on earth, eventually diminishing the number and power of autocratic nations, including China and Russia. In the 21st century.
We want the united Democratic Nations united compete well with Autocratic Nations and especially with the OIC; Orginisation for Islamic Cooperation. We can hope for an organization “United Democratic Nations’ or “Organisation of Democratic Cooperation”, UDN or ODC.
As overall long term negative goal Democratic minded people should have the decline of Islam worldwide too. But not only that negative goal, because I believe that “Nature abhors a vacuum” and that without some positive goal for what should take Islam’s place there is the risk of yet another dictatorial ideology to occupy mankind’s mind in a big powerful way, in Islam’s place.
So for me it is “Democracy up, Islam down”, “Democracy instead of Islam”. Of course this requires fleshing out well all good Democratic tenets in a clear concise way and educate the public in Democratic and even Islamic countries well about the contrasts between Islam and Democracy as juxtaposed ideologies as the big overarching goal, for the long term.
If we protect Democracy, Democracy will protect us. With the stipulation that autocratic parties should not be allowed in democratic elections. As I think that in Turkey chosen Muslims slowly kill Democracy. Islamic parties should be forbidden in Democratic Nations just like the Nazi party is forbidden in Germany.
Don McKellar says
I don’t think Islamic State in Afghanistan is any big development. Al Qeda, Taliban, Haqqani network and probably others are already there. And they’re all plotting “revenge” on the free world everywhere. Unlike in the pre 9/11 days, they are all on the radar and tracked and taken seriously as a threat. Except by MSM and the Democrats, of course. I would be vastly more concerned about all the “undocumented immigrants” who have vanished into America through the black comedy called a souther border. How many Islamic State monsters — or other Islamic terrorists by any other affiliation — are gathering and plotting right in the US? Hundreds no doubt at this point. All secretly backed by their sympathizers like Representatives Tlaib and Omar.
Walter Sieruk says
First, that the jihadists who compose ISIS have a strong hate and malice-filled “obsession” with the United States and desires to attack her with much vicious and murderous jihad violence. Therefore the Islamic scheming against America and Americans for future Islamic terror attack and they with their Quran based ideology “are not going to stop” shows the malicious demon-like zeal they have. So we need to ,not live in fear ,but still report to the police anything the seems not to look quite right. As in “What’s wrong with this picture?’ As it has been said “If you see something, say something.” The wise words of Thomas Jefferson may apply to this subject. For Mr. Jefferson declared “Let the eye of vigilance never be closed.”
Second, concerning ISIS there remains the ,very important, question “How to truly defeat ISIS once and for all ?” The answer to that question was provided in a speech by the ISIS spokesman, Abu Muhammad al Adnani, now dead, in this speech he had declared “True defeat is a loss of willpower and desire to fight…” he further explained “We would be defeated and you victorious only if you are able to remove the Quran from Muslim hearts.” All this leads to a very important question: “Is the Quran the Word of God or is it a fabrication of a man. Thus, is the Quran the truth or a fiction and a hoax ?” The jihadists, as those of ISIS use many verses from the Quran as the main source of justification for their violence, mayhem and murders. As found in For example, 2:191.. 4:47 5:33. 9:5,111,123. 47:4 The answer is clearly given on pages 145 through 157 in THE ISLAMIC INVASION by Robert Morey in which he wrote a section on the Quran with its self-contradictions. Just two of the many he cited are the following “The Quran differs on whether a day is a thousand years or fifty thousand years in God’s sight’ and “Who was first to believe? Abraham or Moses [Sura 6:14 versus 7:143]? The above is inconsistent and illogical. Further, Morey wrote about “The fact that Judaism and Christianity broke up into different sects was used in the Quran to prove that they are not of God [Suras 30:20-32. 42:13, 14]. Yet Islam has broken up into many warring sects and therefore cannot be true if the Quran is right.” Moreover, Morey in his book shows many more contradictions and absurdities in the Quran, there are and how Muhammad incorporated extra Biblical and Jewish folklore along with pre-Islamic Arabian myth and parts of Zoroastrian and Hindu stories into the Quran.
Furthermore, the Muslims claim that “the Quran is the direct, literal word of God unmodified in any way by the Prophet who uttered them at the bidding of God.”
Nevertheless, in the book UNVEILING ISLAM by Ergun Mehmet and Eethi Caner has shown that the Quran was modified in the following account on pages 45. “Muhammad felt the need to improve on the words of Allah, since he changed Allah’s wisdom for his own on several occasions. A hadith tells of the nonchalant emendations of Muhammad:’ On a number of occasions he [a scribe] had, with the Prophet’s consent changed the closing words of verses. For example, when the prophet had said ‘God is mighty and wise ‘ Adbollah b. Abi Sarh suggested writing down ‘Knowing and wise’ and the Prophet answered that there was no objection. Having observed a succession of changes of this type, Adbollah renounced Islam on the grounds that revelations, if from God could not be changed at the prompting of a scribe such as himself. After his apostasy he went to Mecca and joined the Qorayshites.’ Other writers reveal that later Muhammad and his people did go war with the Qorayshites and he personally killed Abdollah. Obviously Abdollah knew too much and Muhammad wanted Abdollah’s knowledge to die with him.” In conclusion, the Quran is not only a fiction, it’s also a hoax.
Walter Sieruk says
Yes indeed ISIS /jihadists with their Islamic /demonic hate for America and American’s as well as other Westerner of other nations want to inflect jihad suicide/homicide attacks committed by mind-programmed /ISIS/Muslims . Such murderous Islamic “state” terror attacks are, for a large part, the results of those deceitful and manipulative imams who brainwash even entire families into actually wanting to become human bombs. Those sly and insidious imams, and sometimes the mullahs , with their methods of mind control as well as their lines and lies .As “We will honor you” and “You will go to paradise “ and “We are doing this for Allah.” That’s some very strand kind of “We.” For the reader to should well understand the same Muslim clerics who brainwash other people and then send them out to commit a murderous jihad attack are never, ever the one who do in themselves. They brainwash and just brainwash and manipulate into carrying out those evil and deadly actions. All the while the mass murders are going on those same Muslim clerics sit home safe. This alone show what totally despicable cowardly villains those kind of Muslim clerics actually are. The Bible informs its reader that “The counsels of the wicked are deceitful.” Proverbs 12:5. [N.K.J.V.]
mortimer says
“PROFANE” ideology ??? Huh? Is normative Islam ‘PROFANE’ ???
Is General Joseph Votel an total moron? Has he bothered to read the JIHAD VERSES IN THE KORAN ???
The Koran’s 164 Jihad Verses: K 002:178-179, 190-191, 193-194, 216-218, 244; 003:121-126, 140-143, 146, 152-158, 165-167,169, 172-173, 195; 004:071-072, 074-077, 084, 089-091, 094-095,100-104; 005:033, 035, 082; 008:001, 005, 007, 009-010, 012, 015-017, 039-048,057-060, 065-075; 009:005, 012-014, 016, 019-020, 024-026, 029,036, 038-039, 041, 044, 052, 073, 081, 083,086, 088, 092, 111, 120, 122-123; 016:110; 022:039, 058, 078; 024:053, 055; 025:052; 029:006, 069; 033:015, 018, 020, 023, 025-027, 050; 042:039; 047:004, 020, 035; 048:015-024; 049:015; 059:002, 005-008, 014; 060:009; 061:004, 011, 013; 063:004; 064:014; 066:009; 073:020; 076:008.
MESSAGE TO GENERAL VOTEL:
“READ ‘EM” Out.
gravenimage says
+1
christianblood says
And yet for decades, the US is funding, arming, supporting and training these same hateful islamic jihadists who follow their violent, evil quran to the letter! Why is this NOT obvious to you????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeIpNzJhuO0
mortimer says
NATO needs to construct an IDEOLOGICAL WARFARE unit to deprogram the jihadists right out of Islam.
It is the most important way to destroy jihadism. Muslims have to lose their faith before they will abandon jihadism.
JIHADISM IS PURE, ENTHUSIASTIC ISLAM, rather than an aberration.
Deprogramming Muslims is the answer.
Tom says
Deprogramming of Muslims can only be done by those in Islam who want their religion to be separated from the geo political aspirations of the religion. THAT can only be achieved by a reformation of Islam. As we all should know that isn’t going to happen any time soon.
Converting Muslims to other, more peaceful religions or as agnostics, appears to be the most successful way to reduce the numbers in Islam at this time.
Don McKellar says
You and China think alike. I would be curious how effective their Mortimer-style mass re-education camps for moslems are working out. I doubt they’ll be publicizing the results any time soon, however.
Demsci says
As I see it, in China they try to replace Islamic ideology with Communist Ideology, not just to get rid of Islam, And I think that is an improvement, but that communist ideology still is dictatorial and also no good.
And of course we abhor and condemn China’s methods.
Demsci says
Mortimer, that is only a negative goal. Long since I have been wrecking my brain at times, to find what it is that should be the positive goal in opposition to Islam. What should take it’s place when it declines. That can be a big idea or ideology among mankind.
I have only come up with the full democratic system, with all it’s tenets. But maybe there will be surprise ideas and ideologies that will spring up in the 21st century. Maybe some “happiness movement” of which Democracy is a key component.
And one can well imagine that a big group of mankind is Islamic, and another big ideology get’s Ever better in competing with it for mankind’s hearts and minds, and power and resources. And of course the vast majority of mankind will be sort of neutral, not thinking about it, not choosing.
But to have only a negative goal of diminishing Islam by just deprogramming seems not enough and not effective to me. As I want to emphasize the positive replacement, not the removal of the bad.
Demsci says
Freedom FROM Islam is an easy goal. But what is the goal in Freedom FOR, or Freedom TO?
Demsci says
I considered the concept that those who want to get rid of Islam, and know Islam by heart, as Jihad Watchers and Ex Muslims for instance, could replace it specifically; in choosing:
– better rolemodels than Mohammed in historic and contemporary record.
– better limited comprehensive Most Important Guiding Texts than Quran Hadiths Sira.
– better conditions upon membership; of citizenship maybe than the seemingly non-existent membership conditions of Islam, that even has coerced eternal membership regardless of conduct and declarations of ideology of members, so regardless of all those confusing contradictions on Islam’s interpretation and practice.
-better central authority about “theology” than Islam has. Islam has none.
gravenimage says
Mortimer, why would pious Muslims want to listen to the Infidels at NATO?
SAFI says
“Sacred place of worship” my arse.
“The Mosques are our Barracks” to quote a certain “moderate islamist” wannabe Caliph who also happens to be the president of a large NATO country.
Ma No says
With a fair number of our B61 or B83 H-bombs at Incirlik airbase. Let’s hope they never get their hands on these, but the potential is there.
Eric Jones says
ISIS and Taliban are the same snake. Neither can be trusted. The key is cutting off the main source of supply and funding; Saudi Arabia. We can find other sources of oil. We can find others to buy what we manufacturer. Saudi Arabia is the head of the snake.
Eric
gravenimage says
Saudi Arabia is really bad. But the snake of Islam is hydra-headed.
Davegreybeard says
Precisely graven!
Islam is a hydra.
Kill ALL of Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, Taliban, Al Shabab, Muslim Brotherhood, all the people in Saudi Arabia, etc, etc, etc till Hell won’t have it – Islam will sprout another noxious and deadly group.
It’s the ideology stupid!
Exposing the ideology to as many people as possible is job one.
Chris Newman says
To discuss this topic with a clear focus I strongly recommend ordering and reading “Catastrophic Failure, blindfolding Amerca in the face of Jihad” by Stephen Coughlin.
Coughlin, you may recall was dismissed by the Obama administration because his briefings to the military top brass were too truthful. He exposed the true roots of Jihad and terrorism within the Islamic culture of Mohammed.
Already the US contains sufficient people like Coughlin with the high-level understanding and experience to defeat this enemy. Let’s advocate that President Trump and his team position these seasoned anti-Jihadists where they can be most effective.
This is a war than can be won but only if we seek to win it for keeps.
Harry Again says
It seems to me ISIS is regrouping in Central Africa where they will be far harder to winkle out.
Note the number of recent attacks there.
E T says
“Islam is not merely a belief, so that it is enough merely to preach it. Islam, which is a way of life, takes practical steps to organize a movement of freeing man. other societies do not give it any opportunity lo organize its followers according to its own method, and hence it is the duty of Islam to annihilate all such systems, as they are obstacles in the way of universal freedom. Only in this manner can the way of life be wholly dedicated to God, so that neither any human authority nor the question of servitude remains, as is the case in all other systems which are based on man’s servitude to man.”
“La ilaha illa Allah”
christianblood says
kuriakose posted
(…We don’t know why we are excluded from the examination but from the very beginning, we see too much politics in it, and the idea was not to find out how this happened, but seems to be concentrated on trying to pin it to the Russians…Neo-Nazi leader Parubiy is routinely received with red carpet treatment in Canada, the US and the European Union. And the Western media applauds…)
Mahatir is absolutely right and thanks for “antipasministries” link that you shared, it is a great ministry indeed! The fact is the U$A is mafia state!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Skyw2TH29s
gravenimage says
christianblood is posting this thing from this notorious 9/11 Truther again…
E T says
What a lot of horse pucky regarding the Conservatives turning down a Muslim. M-103 brought forth by a “moderate” Muslim,who praised Palestine house radical, Liberal MP, Omar Alghabra, tries to introduce Shari’ah law into Ontario, Liberal MP Maryam Monsef says “Shari’ah law fascinates her. how many Christians are in any government position in any Islamic country? take a good look at what moderate Khan has done to London, England.