Pope Francis has issued a call for reform within “the way theology is taught in Catholic schools, saying students must learn about dialogue with Judaism and Islam” and establish “the relationship between Catholics and Muslims as brothers, with a common mission to promote peace.”
Christianity already consists of the Old Testament (Judaism) and the New Testament. In the Christian tradition, the Messiah is already deemed to be Jewish “of the House of David”, so increasing dialogue with Judaism is promoting a deeper understanding of the roots of Christianity. Beyond this, increasing dialogue with any faith group is a good thing, once it is based on mutual values and truth.
Islam is very different. It teaches that “the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who have disbelieved” (Quran 8:55) and because of such doctrine, complete loyalty to Islam and disavowal of disbelievers is foundational. The oneness of God (Tawhid) and the supremacy of the sharia are also foundational. In Islam real Muslims must fully and completely reject disbelievers and un-Islamic practices Further, the world is divided in two in Islamic doctrine: The House of War and the House of Islam where it is the duty of Muslim believers to subjugate the House of War and wage jihad against it until it becomes the House of Islam. If such beliefs were not abundantly manifested today, there would be no problem, but a day does not go by without news of Islamic supremacist abuse and persecution, in accordance with written doctrine to subjugate and advance Islam.
The Pope is pushing for Catholic students to be taught the lie that normative Islam is a religion of peace and so, it follows that anyone who disagrees with this lie would be deemed “intolerant”, opposed to dialogue and pluralism. It is Islam that is intolerant, supremacist and resistant to diversity. If the Pope is genuine about dialogue, then he should be mutually calling for Islamic States and Islamic schools (beginning with Al Azhar University in Cairo) to establish and preach equal status to all disbelievers, for women, gays etc., and promote dialogues with unbelievers like Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists etc.
In his promotion of Islam, the Pope has become “the Grand Sheikh Francis of Al Vatican“, and is dismissing the sufferings of persecuted Christians, victims of jihad terror and assaults. The Pope’s call for reform within “the way theology is taught in Catholic schools” is a continuation of his dogged efforts which are subjugating Christianity under Islam. His call for reform came “during a speech at the Jesuit-run theology university in Naples. It follows his outreach this year to the Muslim world with the signing of a joint statement with the imam of Cairo’s Al Azhar, the seat of Sunni learning, establishing the relationship between Catholics and Muslims as brothers, with a common mission to promote peace”, ie. so-called ‘peace’. Ahead of the Pope’s trip to Morocco in March, the Vatican media went so far as to abandon the traditional papal insignia. Vatican News explained that a new specially created symbol — a cross and a crescent — “are symbols of Christianity and Islam which highlight the interreligious relation between Christians and Muslims.” Also in preparation of this trip Pope Francis met in the Vatican with Dr. Muhammad bin Abdul Karim Al-Issa, the secretary general of the Muslim World League (MWL), a group that has been linked to the financing of jihad terror.
As stated by Robert Spencer :
During the meeting, al-Issa thanked the Pope for his “fair positions” on what he called the “false claims that link extremism and violence to Islam.” In other words, he thanked the Pope for dissembling about the motivating ideology of jihad terror, which his group has been accused of financing, and for defaming other religions in an effort to whitewash Islam.
The Grand Imam of Cairo’s al-Azhar, Ahmed al-Tayeb, has extended his gratitude and thanked the Pope for his “defense of Islam against the accusation of violence and terrorism.” Christianity is still waiting for the Pope to defend it against widespread Islamic persecution.
In direct contradiction to Pope Francis, Cardinal Robert Sarah — prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments–has called it “his duty” to warn fellow Christians and Europe that Islam is not benign but expansionary and threatens free societies. He stated: “As during the fall of Rome, elites are only concerned to increase the luxury of their daily life and the peoples are being anesthetized by ever more vulgar entertainment… The barbarians are already inside the city.” He was referencing to Muslim migrants who have now immigrated but not integrated into Western societies.
Meanwhile, Pope Francis has heavily promoted Muslim migration, calling it unchristian to be against open-door immigration. But in Cardinal Sarah’s warning: “it is a false exegesis [interpretation of scriptural text] to use the Word of God to promote migration. God never wanted these rifts.”
The Pope of Islam holds the highest office in the Catholic Church, but yet is serving as a deceived servant, a blind guide; and despite his pontificating about welcoming “the stranger” while condemning border walls, he has not yet torn down his own walls of protection at the Vatican to fully embrace and welcome in those same migrants and adherents of the ideology that he is advancing within the Church.
“Pope seeks more freedom in theology, dialogue with Islam”, ABC News, June 21, 2019:
Pope Francis called Friday for a reform of the way theology is taught in Catholic schools, saying students must learn about dialogue with Judaism and Islam, and that overall there must be greater freedom in theological research and academic pursuits.
The Jesuit pope made the call during a speech at the Jesuit-run theology university in Naples. It follows his outreach this year to the Muslim world with the signing of a joint statement with the imam of Cairo’s Al Azhar, the seat of Sunni learning, establishing the relationship between Catholics and Muslims as brothers, with a common mission to promote peace.
In his speech, Francis said dialogue and partnership with the Muslim world is necessary “to build a peaceful existence, even when there are the troublesome episodes by fanatic enemies of dialogue.”
Catholic theology students must learn the culture, language and way of thinking of Jews and Muslims “to better understand and live out our relationship,” he said.
After the theologically doctrinaire papacies of St. John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI, Francis has stressed instead the need to “walk together” with interfaith partners, often joking that theologians should ruminate on a deserted island while religious leaders press ahead with dialogue on the ground. He has also called for a more pastoral, merciful and conscience-driven approach to sticky theological problems, such as Communion for the civilly remarried.
“Theological freedom is necessary,” Francis said Friday. “Without the possibility of trying new paths, you don’t create anything new.”….
mike9a says
Buddhism preaches peace, why not a common mission with Buddhism?
oxymoron, IsLam and peace! Read quran, the hate manual, if you can digest it!: not a single word of love!
Buddhism Sucks Too says
Buddhism has plenty of people with their heads in the sand, and will more likely to defend Islam, at least in my experience.
Eric Jones says
Buddhist priest in Myanmar have lead the resistance against the Islamist Rothigna in Myanmar.
Eric
Buddhism Sucks Too says
Doesn’t mean they are the trending norm within Buddhism.
CRUSADER says
Buddhists reject personal Godhead, and contemplate the void, while restraining their feelings and not expressing desire to connect to much else than a stoic existence, under the delusion of calling this separation from everything “peace”.
Hornsofahare says
That doesn’t sound much like the Buddhism I know. Anyway, in general, I think Christianity is better suited to the western mindset.
Wellington says
Reminds me, CRUSADER, of what Nietzsche opined about Buddhism, to wit, that it is a religion of weariness. At least (and this is a big “at least”), Buddhists don’t want to conquer the world in the name of their belief system and infringe upon others respecting good things like liberty, equality under the law, music, pork BBQ and beer. They go their way and leave others alone, something Buttlims don’t do.
I would close here by noting that while Buddhism is certainly not a threat to the world as Islam surely is, nonetheless it does not prize the dignity and worth of the individual as much as Christianity and Judaism do and thus it does not accord quite as well with the democratic tenets first developed by the ancient Greeks. Well, I guess if you can have multiple lives, something which I personally not only don’t accept but think ridiculous and which is another example of an extraordinary claim made by religion which is not backed up by extraordinary evidence, the value of a particular life is just not as important and this worldview has a somewhat deleterious effect on the vibrancy of the democratic experiment.
mortimer says
agree with mike: There are over 400 references in the Koran to hate, over 300 references in the Koran to Allah and FEAR, but there are only 49 references to love. Of these love references, 39 are negative such as the 14 negative references to love of money, power, other gods and status.
Three verses command humanity to love Allah and only 2 verses are about how Allah loves a believer. There are 25 verses about how Allah does NOT love kafirs (disbelievers).
This leaves 5 verses about love. Of these 5 verses, 3 are about loving kin or a Muslim brother. One verse commands a Muslim to give money for the love of Allah. This leaves only one quasi-universal verse about love: give what you love to zakat-charity and even this is contaminated by dualism since Muslim zakat-charity only goes to other Muslims. There are OVER 400 teachings of HATE directed against all disbelievers: Jews, Christians, Idolaters and Kafirs.
So much for love. HATE and FEAR are what Allah demands in the Koran.
DiploNerd says
I nominate Robert Spencer to develop the curriculum for Catholic schools on this issue.
JM says
+1, Mortimer. Excellent points.
DP111 says
European Christians, with hundreds of years experience of Islam, came to the conclusion that the only peace that Islam acknowledges is one of the sword.
In these ahistoric times, it seems we have to relearn that knowledge.
gravenimage says
Mike’s main point was that Buddhism actually does teach peace–but the Pope is not calling for a common mission of peace with them.
And he seems to be just throwing in that bit about Judaism–the main focus here is clearly the *unpeaceful* creed of Islam.
Claire Reiss (@ClaireReiss) says
“If you love me, keep my Commandments!” John 14:15. The POPE needed not go into any other religion! He should simply focus on our Catholic Faith with the words of Jesus! Never try to use human words to Explain Truth! Truth is its own Victor! Just say the Words, the Words of God will do their own JOBS! Trust and pray for those poor souls! Never to argue! To argue is use try to PLACE the Crown of Thrones on the HEAD OF JESUS! Intellectual PRIDE!
Teriqua Jones says
The pope chose his ally poorly. Is he trying to make a “world religion”? Why would he do this?
I think it’s time for the Catholic Church to excommunicate him; he’s going down a bad path!
KWJ says
Essentially, yes. It’s quite treacherous since Islam and Christianity don’t have much in common and the Qur’an says they will “break the cross.” Believing Jesus is the Son of God is shirk and “worse than killing someone.” Jesus is not divine in Islam. What does the Pope have to say about that? The Qur’an twists all the Hebrew stories and Muslims don’t have free will. “Allah pushes the unbelievers to do evil” so Allah promotes, or actually, cause evil not Satan. There are major theological differences.
I’m not religious, but this Pope reminds me of wretched, cruel, hypocritical Popes in history and someone who is engaging in the “dark side.” He’s as bad, just in another way. Perhaps he should read Saint Aquinas’s thoughts on Islam. He probably has and probably read the Qur’an which makes him a Lying Mushrikun Kafir who teaches shirk. His days are numbered. Allah is giving him respite as they advance in degrees, so sayeth the Qur’an.
Savvy Kafir says
My hunch is the pope doesn’t give two sh*ts about Judaism or Jews. It’s Islam, and those precious, precious Muslims, that he wants Catholics to show greater respect for and embrace as brothers and as an ideology virtually indistinguishable from Christianity. What an ignorant, foolish man!
But, hey — he’s infallible, right? God appointed him, and he’s got a hotline to The Big Guy himself. This is the sort of mess people open themselves up for when they agree to allow a corrupt institution (or a magic book) do their thinking for them.
That being said — this pope needs to have a few dozen Somalis and Afghans live with him in the papal palace for a while, so he can actually learn something about the religion & the people he is so determined to force down our throats.
mortimer says
Does Pope Francis give a hoot about Jews, Christians or others daily PERSECUTED by Muslims?
Does Pope Francis give a hoot even about theology?
What theology of Pope Francis explains the following VIOLENT VERSES in Islam?
Sahih Muslim 30—Muhammad said: “I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah.”
Koran 9:29—Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
“Fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them: seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war).” (K.9:5)
Sahih Muslim 4366—Muhammad said: “I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslims.”
Sunan An-Nasa’i 3099—The Prophet said: “Whoever dies without having fought or having thought of fighting, he dies on one of the branches of hypocrisy.”
Sunan Ibn Majah 2763—The Messenger of Allah said: “Whoever meets Allah with no mark on him (as a result of fighting) in His cause, he will meet Him with a deficiency.”
Sahih al-Bukhari 6922—Allah’s Messenger said, “If anyone changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.”
Bud says
Savvy: “But, hey —- he’s infallible, right?” Many people have a HUGE misunderstanding of papal infallibility. It is rare that a pope speaks infallibly, or ‘ex Cathedra’ : ‘With the full authority of the papal office.’ The last time that it was done was in 1950 by Pope Pius XII, when he made the Assumption of Mary to be part of dogma, or official Catholic teaching. Francis is my Pope. However, one does not have to accept everything the Pope says or writes. There is much that he has said with which I disagree, including the above. I pray for him. Before Francis took the office of Pope, it was rare that I would find any significant disagreement with statements or writings of previous Popes. I give thanks to God that the Church is made up of fallible, sinful, broken people. We are daily reminded that our Hope is in The Lord, Our Savior Jesus Christ. Jesus called us to be perfect, even as His Heavenly Father is Perfect. God, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, has a Plan of Salvation. He has said that His Word would not come back to Him void. His Plan of Salvation is coming to fulfillment in spite of His giving the Great Commission to ‘broken vessels’ such as ourselves.
ondroad2 says
Amen! However regarding Assumption of Mary, it is a myth, contradicts God’s Word, as we know, Let God be true and every man a liar.
Watto35 says
The man is an idiot. End of story. I left Catholicism years ago. They made my belief impossible.
Bill says
He is not an idiot by any stretch. He is calculating and clever. He knows exactly what he is doing. His religion is Communism and he is ushering it in by using Islam as a tool to destroy the western institutions and beliefs that get in its way. If you can submit to Islam, submitting to Communism is easy. He has already basically equated the preaching of Jesus to be the equivalent of Communist doctrines. Jesus found greatness in the individual human soul, wanting it to grow and flourish and be free. Communism and Islam are diametrically opposed. They are about subordination of the human soul and the intellect. Communism is subordination to the collective and the handful of elites that rule it. Islam is subordination to the will of Allah and the handful of elites that tell you what that means.
Initially, I spotted him as evil and still believe it to be true. He will ultimately be judged as accountable for the deaths of millions in the coming years and the destroyer of Christian faiths. He has the blood of many Christians on his hands already through his support of Islam and has said little, and done nothing, to stop it. I think he is quite comfortable with it. Same with his adoration of current day and former Communist “saints”, who he venerates.
His financial support and encouragement of the invasion on our southern border makes him my enemy in the realm of politics.
roberta says
Drop the mic.
mortimer says
While Pope Francis may lean left on many issues, many of the top brass in the Catholic Church do not.
Among them is Cardinal Raymond Burke, who is just one level below Francis.
Speaking at a pro-life and pro-family conference, Burke made his views on immigration well known, specifically mentioning Islamic immigration.
Cardinal Burke stated that limiting the number of Muslims trying to immigrate to Christian nations would be a good idea for politicians.
Cardinal Burke said:
“To resist large-scale Muslim immigration in my judgment is to be responsible,” Burke goes on to explain while citing the large Muslim populations in countries like France, Germany, and Italy.
By encouraging more Muslim migration to Western Christian countries, Francis is encouraging Western countries to commit suicide through Islamization. Muslims do not believe kafirs should have any political rights.
abad says
Pope Francis has managed to alienate many Catholics, even non-Catholics who held some degree of admiration for him.
The bottom line, is this Pope does not care about Roman Catholics, Christianity, nor the Bible, all he cares about is Islam and those Moslem “refugees”.
Michele says
This man is interested in erasing Christianity from the earth, just look at what he has done to Italy, He wanted to destroy us, and he is still trying. I consider that this man is our great enemy and since he is in the Vatican the only thing he has done is to damage the image of the Catholic Church. He is our worst enemy.
Angemon says
Huh, this was done centuries ago – certainly Popes Urban II, Clement VII or Innocent XI understood perfectly well the islamic faith. It’s this Pope who went off-rail…
Kepha says
What’s wrong with learning some languages? I’ve found that even my rusty, elementary knowledge of Hebrew and Aramaic has been valuable as I study the Bible. Knowing something of Second Temple Judaism also casts a lot of light on the New Testament.
As for the languages of the Islamic world, I worked briefly as a diplomat, so I won’t complain on this score, either.
Still, as an Evangelical Protestant, I remain convinced that Jesus is the Messiah and God’s Last Word to us. While I’m all for being fair-minded, at the end of the day, there is just too much in Islam that I cannot believe.
gravenimage says
If one is learning Arabic to expand his knowledge of the world, this is great. If someone is doing so in order to pander to Islam, not so much…
Thomas Syseskey says
Dhimmitude from the pope’s mouthpiece:
There is ‘an Islam that wants to dialogue,’ Vatican spokesman says
Catholic World News – 6/20/2019
“I believe that the Pope’s hope, after the signing of the human fraternity document in Abu Dhabi, is to be able to show and make it clear, that there is an Islam that wants to dialogue, engage in respect for human rights and is also committed to making concrete progress, make significant steps,” Andrea Tornielli, editorial director of the Dicastery for Communication, said in an interview.
https://zenit.org/articles/interview-andrea-tornielli-on-the-islam-that-wants-to-dialogue-never-respond-to-hatred-with-hatred/
Terry Gain says
How is that the job of the Pope? He’s a nutter who has capitulated to a violent, supremacist ideology which claims that Christ faked his death and whose adherents are engaged in the wholesale slaughter of Christians, about which he doesn’t say boo. The Pope is spreading the lie that Islam is benign as it continues to leave a trail of blood in its wake.
joanofark06 says
Satan NEEDS the pope for his coming plans. But what a lot of people don’t know is that satan COPIES everything that God does, so people think their following God, when reality, their following evil/satan.
Just like there is the Trinity of God, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, there is: Satan, the Antichrist, and the False Prophet.
As the pope, has probably lost some of his flock, for his evil comments on Jesus, and evil views on Christianity, it’s just a very small amount. Still millions follow him, believe in him.
His popularity is still, and will always be, such a huge influence, that their couldn’t be any doubt, that satan wouldn’t use the pope, for his own purposes. And that is why I, along with many prophecy scholars, rightly say, that the pope, either this one, or whoever is in that position, during the coming 7 year Tribulation, is the third of satan’s trinity….the False Prophet.
The “one” who people have always tried to identify, from the time of Hitler, and before, is the Antichrist. Satan of course, will just be satan.
CogitoErgoSum says
This Pope could take the story of Cain and Abel and draw from it the lesson that Abel was to blame for his own murder because he had no regard for the feelings of his brother Cain.
gravenimage says
Yep.
joanofark06 says
Good analogy! True enough.
Thinker1 says
Better have a solid definition of “peace.”
Ron Panzer (@RonPanzer) says
Peace is defined in Islam as the Islamic state ruling. This is very clear: the region governed and following Islamic/Sharia law is the “House of Peace” and any region ruled by the kaffir/infidel Christians/Jews/etc is the “House of War” which means the mandatory JIHAD must be waged at the House of War till only Islamic/Sharia law is in place and the Islamic State rules 100% THEN, there will be “Peace” so anytime a Muslim says they want peace, you can understand they want the Islamic State/Sharia law.
Islam is a Theocracy, not a religion as understood in the West. It is a conquering political force with religious elements that are mandatory, along with a system that mandates in detail how literally every aspect of life (even intimate relations) are to be done. Read the Sharia law for yourself in a very widely-accepted translation Reliance of the Traveller: The Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law Umdat Al-Salik (English, Arabic and Arabic Edition) (Arabic) Hardcover – July 1, 1997
by Nuh Ha Mim Keller https://www.amazon.com/Reliance-Traveller-Classic-Islamic-Al-Salik/dp/0915957728
and those who do not understand (what you clearly already know about “peace”) will finally really understand why Islam is incompatible with ANYthing other than Islam. And, any Muslim who seeks to reform Islam and be a “peaceful” loving brother to anything or anyone other than Islam would be an apostate (from Islam’s point of view) because Islam does not allow for reform in any way. That is why its followers are pushing policies that seem to come from 1400 years ago; it is from 1400 years ago and from a conquering warrior who instructed followers to conquer “by any means’ including lying, violence, or any other deceptive means to Islamize the world
joanofark06 says
Well, the bible sure warns about this “peace”!! But first, this verse seems to be talking about a certain “kind” of “people”…doesn’t it? A certain “kind” of “immigrant”….
“The alien who is among you shall rise higher and higher and you shall come down lower and lower” (Deuteronomy 28:43).
And as for warnings about “peace”:
By peace he shall destroy many. (Daniel 8:25)
Because they have led My people astray, saying, “Peace,” when there is no peace, and whitewashing any flimsy wall that is built, Ezekiel 13:10
For they have healed the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace….Jeremiah 8:11,12
These verses, remind me of a certain “kind” of “people” too!
….yea, the time cometh that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor Me. John 16:2-3
“But before all this, they will seize you and persecute you. They will hand you over to synagogues and put you in prison, and you will be brought before kings and governors, and all on account of My name. And so you will bear testimony to Me. But make up your mind not to worry beforehand how you will defend yourselves. For I will give you words and wisdom th at none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict. You will be betrayed even by parents, brothers and sisters, relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death. Everyone will hate you because of me. But not a hair of your head will perish. Stand firm, and you will win life” (Luke 21:12-19)
And which “group” of people, would say this? Well, besides “regular” people, or “atheists” who HATE Israel, and Jews. Besides satan, who hates them…more.
“Come, let us wipe away the nation of Israel. Let’s destroy the memory of its existence” (Psalm 83:4)
Seems like the Man above, is telling us about what’s here, and what’s coming in the near future!
jarmanray says
This whole article can be stated in just a few words which boil down to one word, TREASON. He is destroying the Roman Catholic Church and I have convinced several former members of the once great church to attend services with me where we still revere the Lord Jesus Christ. Francis is an incubus that etiolates all around him.
Bill says
Without getting intopersonal details, is there a name or way of finding these branches? Our diocese is run by a Bishop that has made public statements right down the Vatican line, basically equating Islam and Catholicism. I cannot bring myself to support them any longer.
GreekEmpress says
Hi Bill,
I left a Roman Catholic diocese for the same reason. If you have one near you, you might try an Eastern Rite or Byzantine Catholic Church. I can’t speak for all of them, but the one I attend still preaches the word of God. No liberal lunacy. A lot of people in Eastern Rites are from areas where Muslim oppression was experienced so they understand what we are up against.
Anyway, I pray you find what you need on your faith journey.
Spiro says
You could get away from the Vatican completely and come back to your roots
Greek Orthodox Church
No I’m not Greek I converted from the Lutheran church in 1970
It was to liberal even then
GreekEmpress says
Hi Spiro,
I have thought about it—a lot, I think a lot of Eastern Rite folks are thinking about it too.
jarmanray says
Bill,
You might invest a little time in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints where the atonement of Jesus Christ is one of the corner stones of the Church. It is also taught that, “A religion that does not require the sacrifice of all things never has power sufficient to produce the faith necessary unto life and salvation, for, from the first existence of man, the faith necessary unto the enjoyment of life and salvation never could be obtained without the sacrifice of all earthly things.” It is a great place to raise a family and it gives the children of members a place to participate in many wholesome activities.
I do have great respect for the Eastern Orthodoxies. Over the centuries these great Christians have held true to Christ even through some of the worse atrocities heaped on a people throughout the ages in places such as Syria, Turkey and Iraq. Like the Jews, they refuse to renounce their belief God.
Laurens says
Jezus zei ga uit haar weg mijn volk !! Jezus bedoelde ga uit de valse kerk die in mij geloven !!
KWJ says
I’d suggest trying out a Greek Orthodox Church. It’s similar to Catholicism but they do not recognize the Pope, priests can marry, their use of symbolism is better as well as rites. Greeks are naturally more in touch with 400 years of Ottoman oppression. My brother-in-law converted from Catholicism. Greek churches, especially the larger ones, also have a strong community within the church. They do lots of things-gatherings, some have basketball teams, festivals, repast after a funeral, and so on. You don’t have to be Greek…they’ll be happy to have anyone. Easter services tend to bring in some non-Greeks just because they enjoy the service.
Hopefully one won’t have a priest that gets into political talks. The Archbishop of America did get together with other faiths, including Muslims, after the synagogue shooting in PA. But that was all he said about it.
So much is lip service. The mantra about ridding hatred of the other and peaceful co-existence. Human nature hasn’t changed one lick. The Pope is part of globalist agenda whereby religious leaders get together and hash out some agreement on human rights in a post-secular world. They haven’t asked us what we think, have they?
somehistory says
This fool, slave of the devil, wants Catholics to get to know islam so they will be “trying new paths,” ,,iotherwise “you don’t create anything new.”…
Jesus Christ said, “I am the Way, the Truth and The Life (John 14:6).” In the Book Acts of the Apostles, Christians were said to be walking in “The Way.”
Jesus said that the “path” or “road to everlasting life is narrow and difficult.” And, “Few are the ones finding it.”
Now this old, imperfect creature who claims to follow Jesus, claims to “sit” where the Apostle Peter sat, claims to be the “holy” guy “shepherding Christ’s flock,” is instructing Catholics to “try new paths.” He believes doing this will “create” something “new.”
He is working for satan. He is attempting to mislead the flock away from the “Way” Christ set as an example.
And in Revelation, as well as the Book of Isaiah, Bible readers can learn that God says, “Look! I’m making all things new.”
This idiot ”pope’ believes he can usurp even our Creator.
All of this creep’s ideas are ancient, as old as satan from whom they originate.
owensgate says
I think it’s provable that there has not been ONE “Born Again” Christian Pope in the entire history of Catholicism. No, not even ONE.
ed of ct says
Christians Under attack by Muslims in Africa, Near east and the west.. Sadly Is Bergoglio naive or just a holy fool but a fool nonetheless.i
Rufolino says
Foolishness like this is utterly inexplicable.
The man is delusional, deranged, off his head. A tool of Marxism.
joanofark06 says
True enough….but have you seen what our own president has said and done, to and for the president of Nigeria? Where MANY Christians, have been, and still are, being butchered?? I have archived too many of the articles, reporting this!
And Trump tells the Nigerian president, that his country of Nigeria is a democracy?? And how many US companies are going to help BOTH of them, by being there? He doesn’t seem to care how many Christians are getting murdered there!
If you read both of these, you’d be shocked!
Remarks by President Trump and President Buhari of the Federal Republic of Nigeria in Joint Press Conference (April, 2018)
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-president-buhari-federal-republic-nigeria-joint-press-conference/
Trump finally hosts African leader at the White House (April, 2018)
https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/ap-online/2018/04/29/trump-finally-hosts-african-leader-at-the-white-house
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
The common mission of peace will go well until they get to the part about Fight until there is no God but Allah or Kill them wherever you find them. At that juncture the mission may be derailed. Can nobody read anymore?
Also, it’s upsetting to see a photo here of Pope Frank publicly making out with that hairy Moslem dude. Get a room.
Bole says
He is delusional idiot…
FYI says
Al Lah the muslim pagan Arab god…
Tells muslims NOT to love non-muslims in k5:51,in total violation of the 2nd chief commandment Lev 19:18
“Oh ye who believe!Take not the Jews and christians for friends.They are friends to one another”
No “love thy neighbor” in islam!
A religion that completely missed the Golden rule{Matthew 7:12}
A god and religion whose ‘holy’ koran..
Denies Christ was even crucified{..it was someone else..] k4:157,thus negating Christianity
Misunderstands totally the theology of the Trinity k4:171 resulting in the mistaken islamic belief that christians are polytheists{no,they are monotheists.They don’t see God as “divided into parts”:do muslims think God is a cake?}
Tells muslims NOT to believe in God’s Holy Spirit of Wisdom{“cease”say not “three”!It is better for you”..but one of the 3 is God’s Holy Spirit!}Just think of the idiocy of that;Al Lah does not want muslims to know God’s Wisdom.
Claims he gave the Gospel to Jesus{“We bestowed upon Jesus the Gospel”}..Jesus never had the Gospel nor was it His responsibility to write it down:it came AFTER the time of Jesus and was the work of his Apostles empowered by the very Holy Spirit he tells muslims NOT to believe in k4;171
demands war on christians k5:14
CURSES Christians for believing in Jesus k9:30
Preaches a Doctrine of HATE Al walaa wal baraa instead of a Doctrine of LOVE
COMPLETELY MISSED the 2 chief commandments{“the WHOLE of the law” according to Jesus}
Mr Bergoglio{ok “pope” francis} is a jesuit so he would be expected to KNOW the difference:instead he promotes a false equivalence between
Al Lah{a pagan Arab god} who DENIES everything about Jesus and CURSES christians k9:30 with the Christian God.
In terms of catholic theology,surely this is HERESY….
joanofark06 says
Right you are! Now I’d like to show some verses, where God seems to be talking about these “people”:
“The alien who is among you shall rise higher and higher and you shall come down lower and lower” (Deuteronomy 28:43)
By peace he shall destroy many. Daniel 8:25
For they have healed the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace….Jeremiah 8:11,12
Because they have led My people astray, saying, “Peace,” when there is no peace, and whitewashing any flimsy wall that is built, Ezekiel 13:10
….yea, the time cometh that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor Me. John 16:2-3
ooicu812 says
The pope can go fk himself. Sick of seeing some dirty old pervert of a corrupt pervert religion running around the world trying to make the populations concede to other corrupt pervert religions.
Lydia Church says
1. Christians and muslims are NOT brothers.
2. The brethren consist of the saved; Christians. Period.
3. No ‘peace’ will come of this, it is compromise with the devil, which never leads to true peace.
4. The only true ‘unity’ exists within the true church.
This is just him keeping true to form…
1. Promoting the one world religion which is combining them all… only true Christianity does not mix with it. It is an abomination to God and will be headed by antichrist… which explains his zeal.
2. Promoting the one world government (open borders, anti-nationalism and anti-sovereignty, pro immigration, legal or not, migration of muslims, etc.
3. One world economy.
4. Promotion of diversity, multi culturalism, inclusion, tolerance, unity, fraternity, world peace, brotherly love, embracing other ‘paths’ of every garden variety… all of which will lead to the hatred towards true Biblical Christians.
It’s all falling into place. All the world needs now is some big, catastrophic event so that he can come and ‘unite’ them and usher in his ‘solutions’ for ‘world peace’ and the ‘environment’ appearing as a global ‘savior’ and ultimately the ‘final solution’ for Christians and others who resist and oppose him and his global agenda. It’s coming.
And… there is a lot of talk about the secret satanic rituals and such going on underground around the vatican, and in parks nearby after hours, one Christian guy in a video exposed how he was casting out demons around Italy and they claim that ‘their prince is enthroned at the vatican’… and stuff like that…. you do the math! We are living in very interesting times indeed.
Read the whole Bible and pray!
Lydia Church says
Corrections:
(open borders, anti-nationalism and anti-sovereignty, pro immigration, legal or not, migration of muslims, etc.) Close parenthesis. I have left that out about 3 times in my life but I see it all the time and hate to forget!
Promoting the one world religion which is combining them all… only true Christianity does not mix with it. It [the one world religion, a conglomeration of all other world religions except true Biblical Christianity] is an abomination to God and will be headed by antichrist… which explains his zeal [for the one world religion and interfaith dialogue]. He obviously has NO zeal for Christianity!
Just to clarify…
; )
CRUSADER says
Book Review on the Subject Matter….
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https://www.johnderbyshire.com/Reviews/Religion/religionofpeace.html
Christianity Good, Islam Bad !!!!
“Religion of Peace? — Why Christianity Is and Islam Isn’t”
( by Robert Spencer )
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A friend of mine who had a thoroughly Roman Catholic education at the hands of the Christian Brothers tells me that the religious component of that education consisted largely of memorizing arguments with which to confound atheists, agnostics, and Protestants.
Robert Spencer is not, strictly speaking, a Roman Catholic, though I believe his church is in communion with Rome. His writings, though, are very much in the spirit of those Brothers. Anyone who writes much is driven by some daemon or other. What drives Spencer is plainly the determination to tell the world how true, wise, just and fruitful altogether has been western Christianity, most especially in its pre-Reformation styles, and how vile, intolerant, cruel, and inhuman is Islam.
Spencer is exceptionally well equipped to do both things.
He possesses deep knowledge of early Christianity — has a Master’s degree in this area, according to Wikipedia. His own Church is Syriac, and so I presume uses an Arabic liturgy, leading to the further presumption that Spencer is a fluent reader of Arabic. He has been poring over Islamic texts for decades, and can quote chapter and verse from the Koran (which he annoyingly spells “Qu’ran,” as if any western reader has a clue what to do with that “Q” and that apostrophe), the Sira (authorized biography of Muhammed), the Hadith (oral traditions about Muhammed), and the works of medieval Islamic scholars.
In “Religion of Peace?” Spencer uses all that scholarship to three ends.
First, he counters those who say that the more rambunctious kinds of American Christians are no better than, or may even be worse than, Muslim jihadists.
Second, he discourses on the theme that Islam is inherently militant and intolerant — that this is not a mere matter of interpretation — while no such thing is true of Christianity.
Third, he wants to tell us that modernity — science and political progress — had its origins in Christianity, while the stasis and stagnation of the Islamic world is similarly templated in the doctrines of Islam.
Man is noble, and worthy, not because he is a slave, but because he is free. That is what distinguishes the Judeo-Christian view from the Islamic view of mankind.
Sheikh Muhammad Saleh al-Munajjid [a radical Saudi cleric] would say that mankind has value because human beings are the slaves of Allah.
Jews and Christians, and even the secularists rooted in the Judeo-Christian culture, would say that mankind has value because human beings are free.
That is the difference. And that makes all the difference. (pp.206-7)
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CRUSADER says
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https://www.johnderbyshire.com/Reviews/Religion/religionofpeace.html
For my taste, Spencer spends altogether too much time on the first of those ends. The “equivalence” school of thought, the one that says that there isn’t anything to choose between Christianity and Islam in the way of militancy or obscurantism, is certainly real, but is it actually that important? Spencer thinks so: “This [equivalence] is the prevailing malady of the West in our time. It is why this book had to be written.” (p. 11)
I understand that this bogus equivalence must be very vexing to a committed Christian, but Spencer seems not to understand how wacky all religions seem to the irreligious.
All religious faith, after all, depends on magical thinking. To people who eschew such thinking — people who prefer to ground their beliefs in the strict rules of evidence used in modern law and science — Mohammed’s flying through the air to Jerusalem on a white steed is no more preposterous than the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception; and so, God’s instructions to us through Mohammed are no more or less likely to make us better or worse than his instructions through Christ.
That does not preclude the possibility — which I think is an obvious fact — that in the present state of the world, Islam contains a far higher proportion of crazy troublemakers that does Christianity. It is, though, the ultimate basis of the “equivalence” school, and one that a believer like Spencer cannot admit, nor even, in all probability, grasp.
Similarly with the apologetics that fill another large portion of this book. It is a handy thing, I guess, for argumentative Catholics to have, in the spirit of those Brothers, defenses of the Church in things like the Crusades and the Galileo business, all packaged neatly together with refutations of popular notions about medieval Islamic scholars having invented algebra and heliocentric astronomy.
However, a person whose leisure-reading tastes don’t run to this sort of apologetics, and who is plowing through Spencer’s book only from duty, or idle curiosity, or as a courtesy or professional chore, is bound to wonder whether an equally learned Islamic scholar, bent on making the opposite case, might not produce equally persuasive points, to be then rebutted by Spencer, who would be re-rebutted by the Islamist …
To adapt an old doggerel:
Islamist fleas have Christian fleas
Upon their backs to bite ’em.
And Christian fleas have Muslim fleas,
And so ad infinitum.
It’s all a bit tedious, unless you are the kind of person to whom it isn’t. After a hundred pages or so of this book, in fact, I began to feel — in spite of Spencer’s scholarship, which I do not doubt, and his expository skills, which are very fluent, and his brief against Islam, which I found persuasive — that there was something a bit infantile behind it all.
To an irreligious person, it all looks a bit like a game of theological mumblety-peg: “My Yahweh can whup your Allah, nyah nyah!”
That same irreligious person, reading Spencer’s book, will likewise be startled by the author’s assertion that medieval and early-modern Roman Catholicism breathes the very spirit of rationality, and was the seed-bed from which modern science grew. To us pagans, it looks rather as though science only really got going when the power of faith had ebbed from its late-medieval high point; and then, it got going mainly in those north European nations that had embraced Protestantism after the Reformation.
Spencer will have none of that.
“The Bible,” he tells us, “assumes that God’s laws of creation are natural laws, a stable and unchanging reality — a sine qua non of scientific investigation.” (p. 156) Hmm. Which part of the Bible assumes that? Joshua 10:13, perhaps, where Joshua commands the sun and moon to stand still? Or Matthew 17:21, the miracle of the loaves and the fishes? Or Acts 1:9, in which Jesus is taken up into the sky by a cloud? Some other part, perhaps.
This particular theme — that we should thank the Roman Catholic church for having midwifed the birth of science — is now common in Catholic apologetics. What seems to have happened is the slow realization, by Catholic intellectuals, of the appalling bad-publicity fallout from the Galileo affair (whatever the actual facts of that affair), leading to a determination never to be on the wrong side of any major scientific issue, ever again. Hence all the pronouncements from the hierarchy that biological evolution is a really spiffy theory, containing nothing that might offend believers … qualified with murmured insistences that, you know, God must have had something to do with it.
No doubt this is all very reassuring to the faithful.
To non-Catholics, however, it is rather transparent, and at odds with the magical elements of the faith. And even if it were true that the church midwifed science, is it not the case that, following delivery of the newborn, the midwife’s services are no longer required?
Spencer’s more general assumption that our civilization is a child of Christianity can likewise be fairly doubted. Does religion in fact explain anything about history? It is of course impossible to know how different the world would have been if Jesus of Nazareth, or Mohammed, had died in the cradle; but the suspicion lurks that it might not have been very different.
Would the Arabs have come surging out of their desert oases in the seventh century without the Prophet and his faith to inspire them? Would Frankish knights have taken ship to recover the Holy Land, if they had not considered it Holy, only a lost province of the Roman Empire? Would white Europeans have developed science and consensual democracy if they had been only white Europeans, not also Christians?
All that we know for sure about history and its great tides is that people here behaved like this, while people there behaved like that. Why? What were the determinants? “Modes of production,” thought Marx: geography, says Jared Diamond; it is even being whispered that (gasp!) biology might have had something to do with it. There are theories a-plenty, but this is a zone in which we truly understand very little.
Robert Spencer, who is obsessively interested in the minutiae of religious doctrine, naturally assumes that religion is a, if not the, principal determinant of historical events. I see no reason for irreligious people to follow him all the way on this, though personally I’d guess that things would be somewhat other than they are if nobody had ever heard of that white steed or that Immaculate Conception.
Whatever the facts of that, it can hardly be disputed that we have got into the mess we are in with Islam today not so much because of the letter of Islamic theology, or the failure of enough of us to knuckle down to our citizenly duty and read the Koran (personally, I would rather undergo radical dentistry), as because we have executed policies of staggering idiocy.
There are now tens of millions of Muslims living in Christian nations; and this is the case because our nations allowed the tens of millions to enter. We need not have done so.
Wise men as long as forty years ago were sounding the alarm about the gross folly of opening our territories to such numbers of strangers with whom we had nothing in common.
If Islamia has sunk into the grip of a poisonous ideology-the ideology of jihadism — the Christian West (Spencer actually says “Judeo-Christian,” but that is just a lagniappe) has been seized by an even more destructive ideology: globalization.
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CRUSADER says
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https://www.johnderbyshire.com/Reviews/Religion/religionofpeace.html
The second ideology has in fact been the great enabler of the first. And, very uncomfortably for a Christian apologist like Robert Spencer (so uncomfortably he has not confronted it in this book, nor in any of the other writings of his I have perused; nor have I ever seen it mentioned in the rest of the burgeoning literature of Islamophobia), a great enabler of globalization has been the Christian tradition.
If all men are brothers, heathens only a little less enlightened than Christians, they why should not a Pakistani, or a Somali, or for that matter a Mexican, come to live in the U.S.A.? Why should not ten million of each do so? Would it not in fact be un-Christian to refuse entry to those tens of millions? It beggars belief that anyone should hold such a civilizationally-suicidal view, but many Christians do — the current President of the United States, for example.
That leads more or less directly to this book’s most surprising omission: a failure to prescribe.
If things are as Robert Spencer says they are, what is to be done? He offers nothing but a vague, half-hearted statement about the need for an “alliance” between “Hindus, Buddhists, secular Muslims [huh? — the previous 206 pages have left the rather strong impression that the only secular Muslim is a dead Muslim], and atheists.” (p. 207) What should we of the West do if such an alliance fails to appear? Or if, having appeared, it dissolves in squabbling, as it surely would?
What shall we do to be saved?
It is true that the author is under no obligation to give detailed political prescriptions. He can fairly say: “I am a diagnostician. I have made a close study of Islamic texts. This is what I have found. These are the implications, so far as the behavior we can expect from Muslims is concerned. It is not for me, a retired and uncourtly scholar, to prescribe social policies.” That is a tenable point of view.
The degree of restraint it implies, though, is wellnigh superhuman. Most of us, if we knew as much as Robert Spencer does about the problem, would feel the urge, perhaps even the moral imperative, to suggest a solution.
Possibly the author takes the division-of-labor view I have just mentioned — “Not my job!”
Possibly he has laid out a program in one of his other books (none of which I have read) and feels no need to repeat himself. Or perhaps he thinks that the solution that obviously follows from all his painstaking exegeses is so radical that if he were to state it clearly, he would be cast out from the sphere of “acceptable” commentary into the outer darkness of fringe politics and “hate groups” — a term which nowadays seems to embrace anyone who speaks unwelcome truths out loud.
If the last, that is a pity, for what Robert Spencer leaves unsaid needs saying.
If what he has told us is true — and so far as the present state if Islam is concerned, I think it is — then the West should proscribe Islam, and the sooner the better.
We should not allow Muslims into our countries, other than for necessary diplomatic or scholarly purposes. We should revoke the visas and permits of resident aliens who are Muslims, and ensure their departure.
We should offer to purchase the citizenship of Muslim citizens, and bribe them to leave. Those who will not leave should be carefully watched by the police, and subjected to social disabilities — they should not, for example, be admitted to the armed forces, or allowed to proselytize in prisons. (Take a religion addled with violence and infused with a hatred of our society, and teach it in prisons to the most violent and antisocial of our people? Have we gone stark raving mad? )
Mosques and madrassahs should be closed, or at the least punitively taxed.
For the U.S.A. there would be some constitutional niceties to be sorted out, but I am not speaking of any grave injustices here, still less of any cruelty or harm, which no civilized person wishes to a fellow human being who has done nothing wrong.
Millions of harmless, peaceful Muslims will of course be inconvenienced, but life comes with no guarantee of uninterrupted convenience, and moving from one country to another is not especially arduous — I have done it myself several times. Nothing in such a program of “separationism” is immoral or improper, unless the first word in the phrase “sovereign nation” has lost all meaning.
But there, of course, is the rub. There, too, perhaps, is the real reason why Robert Spencer does not follow his analysis with the separationist prescription it so clearly implies: the reason being, that there is no chance whatsoever of such a prescription being applied in any Western nation.
For if there is a sickness in the soul of Islam, there is a corresponding sickness in the soul of the West. As the darkness, cruelty, and obscurantism of jihadist Islam, described in such detail in this book, descend on our lands, our souls rise joyfully to greet them.
Hospital staff in the Lothians [a region of Scotland] have been told not to eat at their desks to avoid offending Muslim colleagues during Ramadan. [The National Health Service in] Lothians has advised doctors and other health workers not to have working lunches during the 30-day fast, which begins next month. The health service’s Equality and Diversity Officer sent an e-mail to all senior managers, giving guidance on religious tolerance. This includes ensuring Muslim staff are given breaks to pray, and time off to celebrate Eid at the end of Ramadan. It is understood they also advised hospital managers to move food trolleys away from areas where Muslims work.
It may even be that Robert Spencer suspects, at some level, that this sickness in the Western soul has its roots in Christianity, just like — according to him — every other aspect of our civilization.
A proposal by a Roman Catholic bishop in the Netherlands that people of all faiths refer to God as “Allah” is not sitting well with the Catholic community. Tiny Muskens, an outgoing bishop who is retiring in a few weeks from the southern diocese of Breda, said God doesn’t care what he is called. “Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn’t we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? … What does God care what we call him? It is our problem,” Muskens told Dutch television.
Perhaps the humane forbearance of the Prince of Peace, and the moral universalism that His teachings imply, bear the seeds of self-destruction. Those seeds were slow to germinate in the long centuries when great mass migrations of people into well-settled lands could only be military affairs. However, the globalization movement of the past fifty years has allowed millions of souls to move and settle peaceably into the old Christian lands; and our old ideals, with whatever contribution — major and critical, according to Spencer — from their Christian component, have urged us to welcome the settlers, and have called fierce obloquy on anyone who complains.
Spencer can’t have it both ways.
If “even the secularists” are “rooted in the Judeo-Christian culture,” then so are their impulses to hate that culture and yield to its enemies. So what does he expect? Indeed, the secularists, with all their Christophobia, are a better bet for standing and fighting against jihadism than Christians are. If there were a proposal to impose Sharia law in your town, who would you rather see riding to your aid: Christopher Hitchens, or Bishop Muskens?
One cannot help noticing that in Japan, where Christians form less than one percent of the population, and Christian traditions are not a significant component of the national culture, Islam is neither a problem nor a threat, simply because Japan does not let Muslims — nor any other foreigners — settle in great numbers. The Japanese don’t give a fig for the universal brotherhood of man, and still cherish their national sovereignty.
We no longer care much about our sovereignty, so long as our bellies are full and we have gadgets and clowns to amuse us; and our bishops, not to mention our Christian President, (Mr. Bush) and the globalist elites who surround him, tell us that doubts about the wisdom of mass Third World immigration are unkind, if not actually “hateful” (not to mention damaging to their stock portfolios).
It is not so much secularism that is the problem as Christianity and its legacy.
If, as the subtitle of his book declares, Christianity is a religion of peace, while Islam is irredeemably militant, what on earth does Spencer think is likely to be the outcome of a conflict between the two?
If — to put faces on the abstractions — Roger Cardinal Mahoney and his parishioners were to engage in a waste-lot rumble with Abu Ayyub al-Masri and his parishioners, on which party would Robert Spencer put his money?
A sensibly exclusionist, separationist policy like Japan’s is therefore not available to us, because of our principles — those principles Spencer tells us are rooted in Christian thinking, those principles that send our author into such raptures of cultural superiority. Well, well: Christianity got its start as a religion of slaves. Perhaps it is fated to end the same way.
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(2007 book review)
ooicu812 says
Just remember, the Pope represents the religion that made an agreement with Hitler to not interfere with the mass murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. Now he’s asking people to make peace with a religion that rapes children (like the RCC) and has murdered thousands of innocent people called infidels by their mass murdering Islamist executioners.
CogitoErgoSum says
You will have to explain to me how agreeing not to interfere in the political matters of a country is the same as agreeing to the the mass murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. You also need to provide specific citation of a law of the Roman Catholic Church that allows for the rape of children as support for what you claim. I don’t think you can do either and I think you misrepresent the truth.
Wellington says
ooicu812: I can’t stand this present Pope but Pope Pius XII saved more Jews than any person in history. Your statement is rooted in ignorance and bigotry and you make me sick. Shame on someone like you forever.
Rufolino says
How many Jews did Plus XII save, and how did he do it ? I missed this.
He didn’t use his role as mouthpiece of the Church to do it (except once, vaguely and tangentially).
If he saved more Jews than any person in history, this astounding fact should be known and understood.
Ecosse1314 says
Maybe you should ask the Israelis who seem in no doubt that Pius X11 was their friend and helper.
Wellington says
Rufolino: Pius saved about 800,000 Jews. You can find this information rather easily on the Internet. A good place to start would be with the site, Jewish Virtual Library.
Pius worked behind the scenes to save Jews and non-Jews alike. For instance, he had fake baptismal certificates drawn up to pass off French Jewish children as Catholics. He successfully wrote to Admiral Horthy, the dictator of Hungary, to save Hungarian Jews, etc.
When Pius died in 1958 he was lauded by Jews worldwide. Golda Meir, Foreign Minister of Israel at the time, gave a moving eulogy of Pius at the UN. What happened was in 1963 Rolf Hochhuth, who I believe is still living, wrote a very deceitful play called The Deputy which maintained that Pius was indifferent to the slaughter of the Jews and was even pro-Nazi. Nothing could be further from the truth. More works followed, including John Cornwell’s slam job on Pius, “Hitler’s Pope,” published in 1999, that impugned Pius. Fortunately since around 2000 a revisionism of the revisionism has occurred which has placed Pius where he properly belongs, i.e., in the ranks of one of the noblest men of the 20th century.
Did he do everything right? No, of course not. But who does? Take a look at the evidence and you will see that the denigration of Pius by many serves as a fine example of the cynical view of the past proffered by Napoleon, that history is a pack of lies agreed upon.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Wellington and Ecosse1314.
Terry Gain says
Ooicu812
Your calumny against Pius XII fails to take into account the minor detail that he had no Divisions to fight Hitler. You are an unhinged liar.
gravenimage says
+1
Terry Gain says
What an embarrassment this Pope is. He hasn’t said boo while Catholics have been slaughtered by the tens of thousands by Muslims. It’s not enough that Muhammad was objectively an evil man who murdered critics, took sex slaves and promised a carnal paradise for those who died while killing innocent people.
A Catholic who fails to acknowledge that Islam is anti-Catholic because it claims that Christ was not God, never claimed to be God, and faked his death is nescient.
This Pope is our worst nightmare.
Wellington says
Seconded. Francis is a monumental disgrace and he is arguably doing more harm to the Catholic Church than any Muslim ever has.
Michael Copeland says
“No peace can be made between us and the non-believers.
This what our holy book says. This what Allah says.”
Yusuf al Qaradawi,
spiritual advisor to the Muslim Brotherhood:
duh swami says
The guy in the white suit surrenders to Islam at least once a week…If he keeps it up he will develop a zebiba…
CRUSADER says
“Not Peace But a Sword: The Great Chasm Between Christianity and Islam”
by Robert Spencer
points out that differences matter!!!!
Islam…Is it a religion of peace?
…Are Muslims an easy ally in the fight against global secularization and the culture of death?
…Are their beliefs really so different than our own?
New York Times best-selling author of more than a dozen books dealing with Islam and the West, ROBERT SPENCER warns Christians against the danger of thinking that Islam is an easy ally — and he shines the light of truth on areas where Christians and Muslims don t just quibble over small details but fundamentally disagree.
Many Christian groups, including the Catholic Church, do recognize whatever is good and true in Islam, and their leaders rightly pursue peaceful accord and common ground with all religions. Spencer argues, however, that real peace can come ONLY from truth.
Where there is falsehood in Islamic doctrine, morals, and practice, papering over the truth actually hurts the cause of peace. He demonstrates how these differences are not academic but real-world. They are critical and they drive Muslim behavior toward Christians and others. If we fail to open our eyes to these differences, we do so at our peril.
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Norger says
“Interfaith dialogue”= one way bridge to Islam. When gullible idiots “reach out” to those who will never reciprocate, nothing good will ever come of it. Ever.
Spiro says
Has this pope had any theological training
If he did it didn’t cover the bible as any true Christian would know it
And the church leadership must agree with him I don’t hear much backlash
James Lincoln says
At least on paper, Pope Francis is a Roman Catholic.
He is also a leftist/Marxist/globalist/Islamophile – and Islamic apologist / promoter.
It possible that Islam has actually infiltrated the Roman Catholic Church at the highest levels – and that Pope Francis is actually a “closet” Muslim – actively practicing stealth Jihad?
Taken as a whole, his actions – and inactions – as Pope certainly raise the question as he has done little to protect his “flock” or promote Christianity throughout the world.
I wish that I were only kidding…
Wellington says
Well, James, seconding you, and as I have noted before, even assuming a Muslim infiltrated the Vatican and got himself elected Pope how much more harm could such a person have done to the Catholic Church than has this doofus excuse for a pontifex maximus?
Francis is a disaster in the making and the Catholic Church has already been so harmed by this fool (especially as I have mentioned before to you by his many appointments of bishops and cardinals who think like him and will long outlive him) that said Church may never recover. Of course, if you are a devout Catholic you must believe it will recover and is part of God’s overall inscrutability, but don’t count me “in” among such folks since I am, per Catholicthink, not only ignorant but invincibly ignorant.
Oh well, such is the way of things. The ancient Egyptian religion lasted three thousand years and perhaps the Roman Catholic Church will only last some two thousand years. Considering that man as the Homo sapiens species (never mind previous species of Homo like erectus and habilis) has been around for hundreds of thousands of years (at least two hundred thousand and more like four hundred), a thousand years here and there doesn’t add up to much. Still, a damn shame that such a fool got elected Pope. One can thank Vatican II for this in the final analysis, called by another foolish Pope, John XXIII, who did just about the dumbest thing a person could do, i.e., he decided to fix something that wasn’t broken. And Francis functions as the end result of this very dumb mistake made over half a century ago. Such is the way of things. But I digress.
somehistory says
James Lincoln
Good analysis. It would explain so much…esp the way the moslim in the photo is so willing to play kissy-face with him..
He is certainly a “false prophet”…perhaps the one from Revelation who promotes satan’s wild beast.
James Lincoln says
Wellington and somehistory,
Thank you for the replies. Much food for thought.
Even if Pope Francis is not an actual “closet” Muslim, the results for Christians throughout the world are about the same.
Or maybe worse…
If it were discovered that he is an actual “closet” Muslim – practicing stealth Jihad – at least he could be replaced.
For now, the Roman Catholics are stuck with him. And until he is gone, I – like many others – will remain a strong Christian, but a Roman Catholic “in recovery”…
So sad.
Wes White says
This Pope is a follower of satan. Prove me wrong.
Billy Chickens says
Would Christ call for theological reform to promote the common mission of peace with Lucifer?
gravenimage says
Absolutely spot on, Billy.
Eric Jones says
The old question arises. Is the pope Catholic? Well this pope is not even Christian! Last week there were numerous stories of Christians being persecuted around the world reported here at JW. Not a peep from Francis.
I cannot help but notice that some religious leaders Muslims and Francis have to deep kiss other male religious leaders. Use a condom or get a motel room!
Eric
tim gallagher says
I believe Islam is pretty much the complete opposite of Christianity and, therefore, I think this idea from this Pope is ludicrous. Maybe he gets things right on some issues, (I don’t know because I take little notice of what he says on any issue) but, when it comes to his ideas on Islam, he seems a total fool, who lives in some kind of fantasy land.
somehistory says
tim gallagher
He recently said something about the murder of the unborn…with which I agree. But even a stopped clock is right twice a day. When it comes to being right, he is not at all consistent.
tim gallagher says
Good point about the stopped clock, somehistory. He certainly seems to be staggeringly ignorant when it comes to Islam, which is a clear danger to Christianity. The idea that he seems to have that Christianity and Islam, which are so different, can somehow work together for peace is beyond ridiculous. The leaders of Islam must be laughing at how gullible he seems to be. Maybe he thinks that if he prays hard enough for Islam to turn around and become peaceful, then a miracle will happen and it will come to pass. That’d be great if it could happen, but it’s not the way things get done. He should be fearlessly calling out evil, which Islam definitely is in so many ways. Meanwhile, Muslims go on slaughtering Christians in many parts of the world, while he talks about his brotherhood with Muslims..
CRUSADER says
Why should the pope create anything “new”?
The pope needs to remain a STANDARD BEARER !
R Russell says
When does this heretic get removed from his post?
Kathy says
Unfortunately, only when he dies…
George Jarrold says
Eventually the so called peaceful Meccan parts of Islam will be part of the Bible. The Pope is just using the News to insert Islam into Christianity. Christianity is already part of Judaism ; Islam seems to destroy Christianity.
ondroad2 says
There is NOTHING positive about “accepting” ‘Gay’! God calls it abominable and as all sins it too must be rejected as acceptable. Accepting homosexuality as ok is to reject Jesus Christ just as much as accepting Islam, adultery, abortion, lying, stealing, gossiping, hatred, etc. We are to love everyone but reject all acceptance of sin or condoning of sin as good and pleasing to God. Thus Jesus did not stone the adulteress but did command her to go and stop sinning! Love the person but Truthful regarding sin.
E T says
“A person who bears witness that there is no deity except God and that Muhammad is God’s Messenger should cut off his relationship of loyalty to the jahili society, which he has forsaken, and from jahili leadership, whether it be in the guise of PRIESTS, magicians or astrologers, or in the form of political, social or economic leadership, as was the case of the Quarish in the time of the Prophet -Pease be on him. He will have to give his complete loyalty to the new Islamic movement and to the Muslim leadership”.
“La ilaha I’ll Allah”.
Clemens says
I would have thought by now these people in purple would have read the NT. Perhaps you pick and choose which scriptures best fit the agenda you are yoked to. Are you preachers or politicians? Evidently, you have never searched hard enough or you resisted this:
For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 8 Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; 11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
2 John 7-11
FYI says
The Wisdom of Francis
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“I don’t read the Bible.I listen to it”
Tweet 4 June 2018
What pretentious nonsense,the “pope of the Ear”:a pity he doesn’t LISTEN to the sounds of Christians being
persecuted in islamic countries.
Who needs to READ books when you can simply LISTEN to them{…I don’t mean Audio books obviously..}
{I am reading a book on Hyperspace and String theory at the moment.Maybe :I should just ignore the complex mathematics behind it that explains it….and.. simply listen to it..let’s see what is that music?Why.. that’s the theme from Curb your Enthusiasm?}
“If you say something I don’t like,I have to listen even more”
francis
Ok,here goes…..where to begin?…it’s a very,very long list{..promoting HERESY,apostasy within the church,being caught out lying in ,the mc carrick case,Dubbia 2016,filial conciliation 2017…equating a pagan Arab god al Lah with the Christian God,undermining catholicism,pandering to islam,being pro mass islamic immigration,pro globalism,writing a virtue signalling check for $500,000 in aid of ILLEGAL immigration,impersonating a catholic and pretending to be a pope whilst in fact being a marxist jesuit…}
staffsgt7 says
This is so wrong, we should be told to get them out of islam because islam is blasphemy. But some think that Pope Benedict is the true Pope and for some reason he is better. Sorry but he did nothing to stop Vatican II, and Francis just carries forward the Vatican II msg too – just as all Popes have done since Vatican II was put out. I think there is going to be a split in the church soon.