“We are called on to dialogue with Muslims to build the future of our societies and our cities,” said the Pope.
Yet this dialogue has been going on for years, and has not saved a single Christian from persecution by Muslims, or prevented a single church from being destroyed by Muslims. In fact, it has had no effect at all, except to make its Christian participants feel good about themselves, and to prevent them from discussing the Muslim persecution of Christians at all.
Yet the Pope still touts it as the solution to all our problem, and the Catholic Church vilifies, demonizes, and ostracizes anyone who objects to this willful ignorance.
“Leave them; they are blind guides. And if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” (Matthew 15:14)
“Muslims are our partners for peaceful coexistence-Pope,” ANSA, June 21, 2019 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
(ANSA) – Naples, June 21 – Pope Francis said that Christians and Muslims should see each other as partners for peace during a visit to Naples on Friday. “We are called on to dialogue with Muslims to build the future of our societies and our cities,” the pontiff said during a speech at Pontifical Theological Faculty of Southern Italy.
“We are called on to consider them as partners to construct peaceful coexistence with, even when there are disturbing events caused by fanatics who are the enemies of dialogue, such as the tragedy in Sri Lanka at Easter”….
abad says
When did Francis start wearing a white niqab?
mortimer says
He wears it over HIS CLOSED MIND.
He is willfully ignorant that Islam teaches the JIHAD DOCTRINE of bigoted warfare against disbelievers merely because they are not Muslims.
Lydia Church says
And no, he is not ‘willfully ignorant’ of any of this, he is very much aware of it and fully in favor of it, which is why he advocates it. But gullible folks see it as him merely being ignorant. He has studied all of these things, and you are telling us that he ‘doesn’t know’? Look who is ignorant!
Gottahavehope says
Sooo on the mark,Lydia. We better wake up! People will blindly follow this traitor to the church,just because he is who he is!!
Rufolino says
What the Pope calls “fanatics” in Sri Lanka, were devout Moslems.
Frankie is blind to this because he doesn’t appear to have studied the Koran.
Cloud-Cuckoo Land.
Giacomo Latta says
When you lead a religion, or at least the vast majority of one, and you come into contact with someone who is a leader of the, harrumph, Islamic religion, you find yourself in the situation where you have to defend either religion in general or basic normal human values. Frankie’s made his choice.
owensgate says
How is it possible that the “Leader” of the Catholic “Church” has no understanding of Biblical Eschatology?
Lydia Church says
Hold up…. it’s coming to me now… I see a vision… it’s blurry and coming in waves… hold on… I see it….
we are called to…. what we are called to do is….
USHER IN THE NEXT CRUSADE!!!!
Time’s up for pussy-foot solutions!
mortimer says
Lydia, your fascist solution is proscribed by the international military conventions of which you are complete ignorant. You monumental ignorance and lack of humanity has no place in this discussion. You should ask God to forgive you. Muslims are humans who have the wrong information. Many Muslims are leaving Islam and bringing others with them out of its heinous, cruel darkness. Hang your head in shame.
Lydia Church says
First of all I’m half way kidding.
Second of all, are you saying that the first crusade was wrong???
It’s just about that bad now.
Hang YOUR head in shame. You’re the monumentally ignorant one with total lack of humanity and have no place in this discussion, and YOU should ask God to forgive YOU.
I have seen enough of your ignorance. I’m not the first one to witness it on here.
David says
“We are called on”??? Who is this we he’s referring to? And who does he think he is to advise the Christian world on what is needful? He is the pontifex Maximus of Rome not a Christian.
Jayell says
“Muslims are humans who have the wrong information.”
Isn’t that the same sort of description that’s often used for the inmates of our correctional institutions? Which explains why, for example, muslims are 400-500% over-represented in UK jails compared with their proportion of the population – and they’re just the ones that have actually been arrested and charged (you could probably double that number if the authorities weren’t so petrified by the thought of accusations of ‘islamophobia’). And the trouble here is that these specimens (with the ‘wrong information’) have absolutely no intention of being ‘corrected’ since not only are they convinced that they’re supremely ‘correct’ in the first place, but they also submit the rest of the prison population to their kind of ‘correction’ with the ‘wrong’ information – which, of course, isn’t ‘wrong’ as far as they’re’ concerned. And if all these shining examples of human rectitude who have ‘seen the light’, rejected the ‘wrong information’ and left islam and bringing multitudes with them, have the courage of their convictions, why isn’t evidence of this plastered all over the media?
gravenimage says
Mortimer, i can’t agree that we should “hang our heads in shame” over the thought of defending against Islam.
Jon Sobieski says
Lead your sheep to slaughter, foolish old man. And no one in the Catholic Church will stand up to him.
Mary Anne Anderson says
There are a few individuals who are standing up to Francis. One that comes to mind is Robert Sarah. He is Guinean and a Cardinal in the Catholic Church. He is in direct opposition to this pope’s teachings. He says Western civilization will be destroyed with unchecked Muslim migration. He should know. He comes from a country where the majority is Muslim. He has written a book, Evening Draws Near and the Day is Nearly Over, in which he explicitly identifies Muslim migration as the cause for the demise of the West. Should be a very interesting and enlightening read. Perhaps he will go on to be the next Pope.
mortimer says
Will Pope Francis read the book?
Carolyne says
Gravenimage, they don’t beat them all to death, John Paul I was poisoned. The silver hammer story is the truth. You can Google it or go to whatever search engine you prefer. You will find the Vatican method of determining if a Pope is dead. It does indeed involve taps on the head with a silver hammer.
Don’t shoot the messenger. I personally have never hit a Pope with a silver hammer or anything else. That would be sort of ………..tacky.
Carol the 1st says
He obviously doesn’t care enough to do so. Maybe he could nicely ask his chums to give a damn.
Rufolino says
Yes Cardinal Sarah is a vocal opponent of this numb-skull. come
IF ONLY he were to become his elected successor. And SOON !
Bill says
While Argentine Communist Jorge Mario Bergoglio dissembles, prevaricates and subverts he is missing the bigger picture. Perhaps he is not missing it at all. He is contributing to it.
https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2019/06/23/report-christian-persecution-2019-scourge-mammoth-proportions/
Suebe says
Could this be the False Prophet that the Bible speaks about. There is no way a Christian, and a Muslim can be on the same spiritual level. This Pope deny’s Jesus as the Son of God, just by complying with a Muslim. Has anybody ever noticed he never speaks about Jesus. He even said we should baptize aliens if they contact us. The Vatican has a telescope on top of Mt. Graham where the I think Cherokee people said was a porthole or gate to the gods. Hmmmmm doesn’t it make you wonder who the Pope is trying to contact” Just think the Cherokee people fought in court for their sacred mountain to be left untouched, and the Pope, an NASA fought to take control and won. The is definitely the last Pope. “OH” by the way the observatory is call Lucifer. So who is the Pope trying to contact
Herbert says
He is trying to communicate with Lucifer his great Allah, that God has thrown down to earth to corrupt the humans into sin. My belief from my research is that the Roman Catholics are one and the same who by their hand killed the Saviour and are still trying to kill Christianity. Do any of you know that Catholics were not Christians at all, as they even persecuted Christians for leaving Catholic Churches of Satan, and trying to follow the real Church. Catholics pray to statues and make anyone they please into Saints. They love money and Satan. When you are married into the Church you are also blessed by a Satanist. Remember that Satan may have been the first born of God, but wanted what the Father had and that was power over the created Universe. He was thrown along with many deceived Angels to torment the earth, and some have had mated with Humans and are also bloodlines of Satan and most people who show the evil within their stone cold heart like Democrats do are a good indicator not to affiliate with them, they can’t be saved by grace that they themselves do not possess. Any one who can take an innocent life from any created being is Satan’s Sperm doing his job to destroy God’s children. Some animals were created to feed humans and some were told to not eat of that which is forbidden. The Ten Commandments if followed to the letter without Political Correct contamination, would save this world from Evil and bring absolute peace.
carolyne says
Is this some sort of stand up comic routine? Back to the drawing board with this nonsense. As to the fact that Mr. Spencer Is Catholic, I do not believe he would censor criticism of the Catholic Church because he understands that such criticism would make him no better than the people trying to stop criticism of Islam. I admire him immensely for that.
gravenimage says
Good grief–more besides-the-point anti-Catholicism. Robert Spencer is himself Catholic.
As for the observatory at Mt. Graham, it is not called Lucifer:
Mount Graham International Observatory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Graham_International_Observatory
Really, astronomy is not demonic.
BVC says
Thank you GI, for saying that…
As i said before, extremism of ANY denomination is dangerous.
Herbert…you spout off about Jesus, but forget he asked you to even love and pray for your enemy.
Barry says
Jesus also said” think not that I have come to bring peace but the sword . Matt (10:34) . He also encouraged his disciples
to purchase a sword (Luke 22:36).
mortimer says
Oh yeah, BVC… you’ve really gotta watch those SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST ‘EXTREMISTS’. They’re so ‘extreme’ that they give 20% of their income to help people in the Third World !!! So extreme …
Lydia Church says
Well, in an earlier post he said he converted back to Eastern Orthodoxy.
gravenimage says
Lydia, this is correct–although he didn’t convert “back to” Eastern Orthodoxy.
And he was certainly Catholic–Eastern Rite Melkite Catholic–for many decades. He was not a ‘follower of Satan’ then, as Herbert implies.
Carol the 1st says
One of my favourite videos of Mr. Spencer is one from 2016 where he is interviewed by Father JosiahTrenham (who I believe is Eastern Orthodox):
Jihad Exposed in America
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDz7o6nPFDI&t=2276s
OVV says
“’Leave them; they are blind guides. And if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.’ (Matthew 15:14)”
Unfortunately, this is Robert’s pet line he uses frequently kinda like a fundamentalist might as a way to try to justify his leaving the Catholic Faith. However, this line from Matthew does not justify any member of the Catholic Faith leaving it because they’ve been disrespected, and they have some blinders on regarding certain problems, etc. Robert has lots of courage, but not enough to stay inside the Faith with the rest of us who share his many concerns but choose to fight the good fight with current leadership while keeping in mind Christ’s promise to be with the Church (Catholic) until the end of time. Christ did not establish the Orthodox Church; only the Catholic Church with Peter as the head…and yes such a head can make many mistakes which has nothing to do with Papal Infallibility. Robert used to know this…and I suspect still does, so hopefully he will come to his senses and return to the faith he knows is not to be judged on the failures of its leaders.
gravenimage says
The idea that Robert Spencer is a coward for changing denominations is just grotesque.
One of the things most of us are fighting for is freedom of conscience–something you apparently do not support at all.
Carol the 1st says
What a spiritual monopoly the RCC has lost! Thank God for Anne Boleyn (and the likes of Billy Graham).
Carol the 1st says
Mat 5:15 Neither do you light a lamp, and put it under a measuring basket, but on a stand; and it shines to all who are in the house.
OVV says
gravenimage says
Jun 24, 2019 at 12:03 am
“The idea that Robert Spencer is a coward for changing denominations is just grotesque.
One of the things most of us are fighting for is freedom of conscience–something you apparently do not support at all.”
>>>>
Response to gravenimage by OVV:
Try re-reading what I actually wrote about Robert having lots of courage but not enough regarding the Faith he once followed, and also note your considerable ignorance in first claiming that Robert is Catholic in one of your earlier posts, and then proudly but still weakly trying to spin your ignorance when it was revealed by another that Robert left the Catholic Church.
It is actually grotesque for Robert to leave the Catholic Church, because there is nothing to suggest that he did so due to no longer believing in some church doctrine and traditional teachings since the beginning of the Church, and that he no longer accepts the divine foundation of the Church that all believing Catholics accept. Instead, it appears that the prime motivation for his departure is based on some stupidity the current leadership continues to exhibit toward Islam, and some disrespect aimed at Robert. Again, why do you think he quotes the passage about not following the blind? This is a form of rationalization/excuse for his leaving the Faith he followed most of his life, and it prompted my reply, but it appears way too deep for you to understand. Try thinking for a change instead of offering a knee-jerk reaction of considerable obtuseness.
But perhaps you do know better, and so it is as you claimed just a matter of conscience that you boldly assert is the case. If so, then ask Robert to identify the dogmatic teaching/s of the Church he suddenly found objectionable and against his conscience. If he cannot do this and claims only that he can’t follow the current leadership, that is a cop-out because all Catholics of at least basic intelligence know that a failure of leadership is never a legitimate excuse for leaving the one true faith established by Jesus Christ.
And I say this in love for Robert as a brother in Christ. I have purchased many of his books, recommend his works on Islam to others, and I follow this website regularly, but as I also mentioned in my primary post located elsewhere in this combox (the system did not open a reply where I first posted so I could directly reply to your nonsense, and hence I am doing it here), I hope he will re-energize his freedom of conscience (news flash for you: we all have this as a gift from God) by returning to the one true faith and fight the good fight with the rest of us from within Christ’s primary Church.
QED
gravenimage says
OVV wrote:
gravenimage says
Jun 24, 2019 at 12:03 am
“The idea that Robert Spencer is a coward for changing denominations is just grotesque.
One of the things most of us are fighting for is freedom of conscience–something you apparently do not support at all.”
>>>>
Response to gravenimage by OVV:
Try re-reading what I actually wrote about Robert having lots of courage but not enough regarding the Faith he once followed,
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I say again that defending freedom of conscience is of great concern to most here–OVV may, of course, disagree.
More:
…and also note your considerable ignorance in first claiming that Robert is Catholic in one of your earlier posts, and then proudly but still weakly trying to spin your ignorance when it was revealed by another that Robert left the Catholic Church.
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No, I am not ignorant on this matter. I have posted about this before–including on the story–a video Robert Spencer produced with David Wood some months back where Spencer mentioned that he had left the Catholic Church.
My main point, above, was a reply to the anti-Catholic post by Suebe. My point was that Robert Spencer had been Catholic for many years, and asking if this poster considered the founder of Jihad Watch to be “satanic”.
One need not elucidate one’s entire knowledge in every post; indeed, this would not be possible. The fact that Robert Spencer has indeed since left the Catholic Church did not seem to me to be of particular import in this context, since he was not “Satanic” when he was a Catholic, any more than he is today now that he is Christian Orthodox.
More:
It is actually grotesque for Robert to leave the Catholic Church, because there is nothing to suggest that he did so due to no longer believing in some church doctrine and traditional teachings since the beginning of the Church, and that he no longer accepts the divine foundation of the Church that all believing Catholics accept. Instead, it appears that the prime motivation for his departure is based on some stupidity the current leadership continues to exhibit toward Islam, and some disrespect aimed at Robert. Again, why do you think he quotes the passage about not following the blind? This is a form of rationalization/excuse for his leaving the Faith he followed most of his life, and it prompted my reply, but it appears way too deep for you to understand. Try thinking for a change instead of offering a knee-jerk reaction of considerable obtuseness.
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Robert Spencer and everyone else has the right to choose or reject any faith he pleases–OVV’s claiming that Spencer’s motives are “grotesque” is his own personal opinion, and has nothing to do with Spencer himself.
And note that OVV doesn’t affirm that Spencer or anyone else has the right to follow his conscience–which is deeply disturbing.
More:
But perhaps you do know better, and so it is as you claimed just a matter of conscience that you boldly assert is the case.
………………………..
Of course deciding what faith to follow is a matter or conscience, so long as it is uncoerced, as it clearly is in this case.
More:
If so, then ask Robert to identify the dogmatic teaching/s of the Church he suddenly found objectionable and against his conscience. If he cannot do this and claims only that he can’t follow the current leadership, that is a cop-out because all Catholics of at least basic intelligence know that a failure of leadership is never a legitimate excuse for leaving the one true faith established by Jesus Christ.
………………………..
OVV believing that it is incumbent on Anti-Jihadists to grill Robert Spencer on his religious beliefs is *every* strange.
Moreover, while I defended the Catholic Church against Suebe’s slander, above, in the interest of truth, it is to be noted that I am not Catholic myself. And even if I were, I doubt I would think it my role here to castigate Spencer on his faith.
More:
And I say this in love for Robert as a brother in Christ. I have purchased many of his books, recommend his works on Islam to others, and I follow this website regularly, but as I also mentioned in my primary post located elsewhere in this combox (the system did not open a reply where I first posted so I could directly reply to your nonsense, and hence I am doing it here), I hope he will re-energize his freedom of conscience (news flash for you: we all have this as a gift from God) by returning to the one true faith and fight the good fight with the rest of us from within Christ’s primary Church.
QED
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Well, that’s fine. Robert Spencer certainly has the right to return to Catholicism if he so desires.
One would hope that standing against the threat Islam presents to all of us would be of greater concern than the denomination that the writer belongs to–after all, Robert Spencer has allied with Christians of all denominations, with Jews, with Hindus, with Athiests and Agnostics–and likely others–to stand against the horrific threat of Islam.
OVV may, of course, choose not to.
Angemon says
Paraphrasing what I recall a Catholic Cardinal saying, “dialogue with muslims is akin to dialogue with wolves – they just want to mark their territory and give nothing in return”
Johane says
Exactly. It would be a one sided affair. It reminds me of Judas selling Jesus for a few pieces of gold.
gravenimage says
Wolves indeed.
OVV says
6/27/19: Wow, gravenimage. You really need to learn how to read so you can make more accurate comments and not misstate what others set forth in order to lie and take cheap shots at them. Note the following:
6/25/19: gravenimage writes: “I say again that defending freedom of conscience is of great concern to most here–OVV may, of course, disagree.”
6/27/19: Now note what I actually wrote that completely obliterates your obtuse and false suggestion:
6/25/19: OVV: “…I hope he will re-energize his freedom of conscience (news flash for you: we all have this as a gift from God)”…
6/27/19: How could you possibly miss this, gravenimage? Either incredible ignorance on your part or done on purpose. Stating that freedom of conscience is a gift from God that we all have is the best defense possible. So your suggestion that I may disagree with defending freedom of conscience is another thing that is grotesque and intellectually dishonest on your part. Bravo!
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6/27/19: In response to gravenimage first stating that Robert Spencer is Catholic, he continues to spin his botch via the following:
6/25/19: gravenimage: “No, I am not ignorant on this matter. I have posted about this before–including on the story–a video Robert Spencer produced with David Wood some months back where Spencer mentioned that he had left the Catholic Church.
My main point, above, was a reply to the anti-Catholic post by Suebe. My point was that Robert Spencer had been Catholic for many years, and asking if this poster considered the founder of Jihad Watch to be ‘satanic’.”
OVV: That’s the way to double down on a lie, gravenimage. Here is your actual quote posted on 6/23/19 that all can see above in the post you wrote:
“gravenimage says
Jun 23, 2019 at 5:28 pm
Good grief–more besides-the-point anti-Catholicism. Robert Spencer is himself Catholic.”
6/27/19: LOL. How does “Robert Spencer is himself Catholic” get transposed into “had been Catholic for many years”? You are busted, gravenimage. You made a direct statement about Robert that is false, and if you knew better as you now claim you knew, then you lied on purpose, which is most dishonorable regardless of your alleged motivations. More LOL.
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6/25/19: gravenimage: “Robert Spencer and everyone else has the right to choose or reject any faith he pleases–OVV’s claiming that Spencer’s motives are “grotesque” is his own personal opinion, and has nothing to do with Spencer himself.”
6/27/19: On the contrary, it has everything to do with Robert because of his rationale, at least in part, for leaving the Church. Please, please try to read in context and more intellectual honesty, gravenimage. Note how I started my original post that refers to Robert’s pet line he uses in part to rationalize his departure, which is indeed grotesque because of what I also set forth about more legitimate reasons for leaving the Faith.
And of course it’s my opinion (as well as Church doctrine in this regard)…just like your comments on Robert is your opinion. Still, my opinion is based on reality and facts whereas your opinion is based on lies and misstatements and wishful thinking. As such, my opinion objectively carries much, much more weight than yours in this regard.
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6/27/19: gravenimage lies about what I wrote yet again by tripling down on the false claim. He writes:
6/25/19: gravenimage: “And note that OVV doesn’t affirm that Spencer or anyone else has the right to follow his conscience–which is deeply disturbing.”
6/27/19: What should be deeply disturbing is your intentionally lying about and/or ignoring what I set forth. Once again, note the following that I actually wrote in the previous message:
6/25/19: OVV: “…I hope he will re-energize his freedom of conscience (news flash for you: we all have this as a gift from God)”…
6/27/19: Can you possibly be that obtuse, gravenimage, that you cannot see that “all” includes Robert? Or are you blind and missed the part about re-energizing his freedom of conscience? What do you think “re-energizing” means in this context, and what is it I hope he re-energizes? Assuming you are not that obtuse or not blind, etc., you have deliberately chosen to lie about what I set forth yet again. Proud of yourself?
6/27/19: Next, gravenimage writes:
6/25/19: gravenimage: “OVV believing that it is incumbent on Anti-Jihadists to grill Robert Spencer on his religious beliefs is *every* strange.
Moreover, while I defended the Catholic Church against Suebe’s slander, above, in the
interest of truth, it is to be noted that I am not Catholic myself. And even if I were, I doubt I would think it my role here to castigate Spencer on his faith.”
6/27/19: First, point out precisely where I stated or even suggested that “it is incumbent on Anti-Jihadists to grill Robert Spencer on his religious beliefs is *every* (sic) strange.” You cannot do this because I did not do this, so this claim is quite despicable on your part. How many lies is that now, gravenimage? But of course, it is obvious that lying is part of your modus operandi, isn’t it?
I could easily tell that you are not Catholic, and so you are very ignorant about what the Church actually teaches, especially regarding freedom of conscience, which the Church defends as do I (you keep missing this), and since Robert has made public his attacks on the Church he once belonged to, and he makes use of a biblical quote to try to justify leaving the Church (imagine the harmful impact on other Catholics if you can), I have every right to challenge (castigate) him based on Catholic teaching that he also knows…and you don’t. It’s called fraternal correction.
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6/27/19: And the hits from you just keep on coming. You finally conclude with a remarkably ignorant statement:
6/25/19: gravenimage: “Well, that’s fine. Robert Spencer certainly has the right to return to Catholicism if he so desires.
One would hope that standing against the threat Islam presents to all of us would be of greater concern than the denomination that the writer belongs to–after all, Robert Spencer has allied with Christians of all denominations, with Jews, with Hindus, with Athiests and Agnostics–and likely others–to stand against the horrific threat of Islam.
OVV may, of course, choose not to.”
6/25/19: Actually, the fate of one’s eternal soul is of much greater importance than fighting the threat of Islam. As such, one must follow the truth first and foremost, and being a part of the “denomination” established by Christ Himself, and not directly disobeying Christ by leaving His Church because of how one is treated by leaders or how stupid they may be in things that are not of a doctrinal/personal salvational matter is vastly more important than fighting the good fight against Islam.
And the last cheap shot and false suggestion by you shows your stripes one last time: “OVV may, of course, choose not to.”
Utter claptrap on your part. I do ally myself with all those who oppose Islam in the fight against Islam, but it would indeed be ignorant of me along the lines of ignorance you have repeatedly demonstrated to consider doing so to be more important than being part of the One True Church established by Christ. And because of this deeper understanding, I actually care more about Robert than you do because I hope and pray for his return to the One True Faith. For you, such doesn’t even matter. Again, you just don’t understand.
OVV says
QED
MyGEPT says
Wrong again, Bergolio. We care not called to co-exist with Muslims nor any other religion. We are called to convert them.
“Teach all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.”
mortimer says
Matthew 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations …
Is the pope turning Muslims into disciples? No, he is not. He is a failure.
Stewart Davies says
“Go ye therefore and ‘dialogue’ and have “listening encounters” with all nations …..” In this age of Vatican bullshit it’s called “pastoral accompaniment.”
Renate says
I seem to remember the Bible cautioning Christians against “throwing pearls to the swine”. Since Christians believe Christ is the Alpha and Omega, any person claiming to have come after him is redundant and therefore, a false prophet.
Elizabeth Schneider says
Now THAT
is the truth!!
Ellena Patricia Pickerd says
Amen!
mortimer says
Excellent comment from Angemon!! The cardinal clearly exposed what Muslims do ‘MARK THEIR TERRITORY!’ Most people don’t even know they are doing it. One Muslim who had not met me began by explaining the JERUSALEM was the site of the first mosque of Adam (it actually isn’t … it’s Mecca in Islamic hadiths). The next time I met him, I showed him pictures of the digging under and around the Kaaba which went all the way to the bedrock. I pointed out that no proof of archeology shows Mecca was a town until 120 years after the death of Mohammed.
mortimer says
“CALLED” ???? Who ‘called’ us to dialogue with Muslims? No one. Jesus said, ‘MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL NATIONS.’ Is the pope doing that? No, he is dialoguing with fraudsters.
Muslims don’t want dialogue. They want metaphorically to spit down your throat and shame you into accepting Islam. Muslims feel they have noting to learn from a dirty KAFIR. I know this from many conversations. They are not interested in hearing the explanation of another side, nor interested in making concessions. They are looking for a chance to do DAWA and see if they can find vulnerabilities.
Ernie says
Yet you advertised de-programming Muslims out of Islam many times here on JW , Mortimer ; quite an impossible task in my opinion . And here , in this comment , you’re giving all the reasons why it is futile to engage in dialogue with muslims , and rightfully so in my opinion . Are you coming home , Mortimer ?
gravenimage says
Good post, Mortimer.
And yes, Ernie–this means that Muslims are not apt to listen to anything the “filthy Infidels” have got to say.
Joscefi says
“…partners to construct peaceful coexistence…”, the spirit of Pope Urban ll has left the church.
Deus vult.
Wellington says
Called on by whom? Certainly not Jesus who had much criticism for the Sanhedrin, did not want to have peaceful co-existence with this council nor with the merchants on the Temple grounds whose wares and tables he overturned.
Yeah, called on by whom? Man, this present Pope is at least an utter and ignorant fool. And this is the best I can say about him.
Terry Gain says
Called on by whom? That was exactly my reaction. This Pope is a heretic who is doing tremendous damage to both Catholicism and the prospects for peace.
Patricia Pickerd says
Agree 100%
gravenimage says
Yes, Wellington and Terry–that’s the question. The implication is some sort of mandate from God, but in reality this is nothing but rhetoric from this “liberation theology” pontiff.
Suebe says
Get out of her my people, He will change days, and laws, Commandment #4 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work. but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work………..much more “Oh yea” I almost forgot the Catholic Church also took away You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or int water below. You shall not bow own to them or worship them, for I the Lord your God, am a jealous God { How many times have you seen worshiping the statue of Mary, and bow down to the Pope as if he is God. He puts himself in the place of God on the earth. My My how crazy, you can’t possibly believe to do such a thing. Are they not afraid of what is going to happen to them on Judgement Day
gravenimage says
No–no one worships this pope. This anti-Catholic claptrap is besides the point. Most pontiffs have not enabled the threat of Islam.
gravenimage says
Agreed, thebigW.
Jayell says
“We are called on to dialogue with Muslims to build the future of our societies and our cities,” said the Pope…..
Really? So who called on you, then?
janice says
this man (pope) is not coherent. How can he even agree that anything good comes from any association with muslims? muslims murder people all over the planet yet never any outrage. very hypocritical. he needs to grow some balls and defend his own people before worrying about the muslims and getting along with them. that will never happen. muslims do not get along with anyone.
somehistory says
Remember the old joke where the Lone Ranger and Tonto are surrounded on all sides by hostile Indians and the Ranger turns to Tonto and says, “It looks like the end of us.”
Tonto replies, “What do you mean “us,” White man?”
So, all Catholics should ask this miserable fool just who are the “we” .
Certainly, Christians are not a part of the “we” in his lying declaration.
And…he is making Christians who oppose islam out to the be “fanatics” and evil people engaging in terror by using the phrase, “enemies of dialogue.”
If one does not wish to try “dialogue” with those who want to kill them…and in fact are murdering Christians across the entire planet…this only makes them cognizant of the fact that moslims don’t want “dialogue” and are determined to kill all Christians and Jews “wherever they find them.”
The Bible says that when “one is given more, more will be demanded of him.’ This fool has been given much…much that he is wasting and using immorally to make friends with those who oppose Jesus and His Heavenly Father. he is using what he has been given to support evil, to support satan the devil.
Michael Copeland says
“consider them as partners to construct peaceful coexistence”……..
Oh yes?
And what do Islamic texts and spokesmen say?
“If anyone desire a religion other than Islam never will it be accepted of him”
Koran 3:85, part of Islamic law.
“Do not take Christians or Jews as allies: they are allies of each other”
Koran 5:51, part of Islamic law
“No peace can be made between us and the non-believers. This what our holy book says. This what Allah says.”
Yusuf al Qaradawi, spiritual advisor to the Muslim Brotherhood
dobren says
Whatever they had on the previous Pope to force him to abdicate, the insidious and deeply anti-Christian group of Cardinals that quickly had this “Pope” elected have a lot to answer for, in this life and the next.
The real Christian Cardinals had better learn to back-stab fast, before evil secures it’s grip forever.
(Yes, it is evil for the Pope to actively participate in the reduction of his entire flock to dhimmitude or slavery. Disgusting beyond belief).
tgusa says
Holy torpedo! The mad pope strikes again.
gravenimage says
Pope Francis: “We are called on to consider Muslims as partners to construct peaceful coexistence with”
…………………….
Who calls on us to try to make peace with those who only want to subject and murder us?
mortimer says
Yes, GI, but the point is:
When did Muslims ask Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus and atheists to be EQUAL PARTNERS WITH MUSLIMS?
gravenimage says
Spot on, Mortimer.
Steve Meikle says
How can you dialogue with a religious group which allows taqqiya. one can never trust a liar and so never dialogue with such
Jay says
This Pope is a wolf in sheep’s clothing and should be removed from the Vatican asap!
He is a one world order, open border Nazi to say the least, yet he lives in our Vatican protected by walls!
I have not given a penny to the Catholic Church since he arrived and pushed Pope Benedict into retirement. He is a phony and a dangerous traitor to everything the Roman Catholic Church stands for!
Hopefully one day he will have to answer for his betrayal and treason!
I pray the Lord gives him just punishment ! And soon!!
don vito says
Dialogue is a trap, the moslems used the same tactic for Eurabia, through the Euro Arab Dialogue.
paul budrunas says
And Catholics think their popes are “infallible”…their ignorance of Islam is unfathomable!!!
mortimer says
Disagree. Pope Benedict had a better understanding of Islam … which got him into controversy.
Ecosse1314 says
Only on matters of doctrine and when proclaimed “ex cathedra”. This has been explained many many times on this site.
revereridesagain says
I would suggest trying to get Francis to read Jamie Glazov’s “Jihadist Psychopath” but I doubt at this point that even that would be able to penetrate his skull. He’s so far up De-nial they should rename the Popemobile ‘Cleopatra’s Barge”.
(St. Francis went on crusade? You learn something every day.)
Raja says
Wellington, Good post. This man is not just a fool is also a crook of the first order. What kind of theology has he done that he completeley igonores Jesus’s actions and examples. Sure, true Christians are not to hate enemies(love) but there are ways to deal with ENMITIES.
All traditional churches will be not be delivered on the day of judgement (to God) that is the prime reason Jesus called the traditionalists brood of vipers, white washed tomb and so on.
Matthew 3
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for baptism, he said to them, “You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Matthew 23
33 You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell?
Luke 3
7 So he began saying to the crowds who were going out to be baptized by him, “You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Raja says
Some of the past popes were considered to be anti-Christs or even devil incarnates. Stafford North in his book on Revelations deals with that in much detail. Since he is hell bent on destroying his “church” and handing over her to the globalist and Islamic mafia he is certainly an anti christ.(He certainly is acting against the cause of Christ)
For him other people do not matter: Hindus, Sicks, athiests and a thousand other variites. But hogging the same theme of peace with Islam he is ipso facto admitting that Islam is a rather violent cult.
Raja says
Mortimer,
+1
ntesdorf says
The Pope should get out his Bible, dust it off and read Matthew 15:14. “Leave them; they are blind guides. And if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” Pope Francis may suddenly see himself in this mirror.
FYI says
“I don’t read the Bible.I listen to it”
One of Frankies’s famous tweets:I don’t think he wants to read it anyway.
He read the koran and famously said “Authentic islam and a proper reading of the koran show it to be opposed to every form of violence”
A “proper reading” of the koran?He NEVER read it obviously.
Actually some catholic prophetic sources think he might be in it{Revs 13} given that he is the greatest promoter of Heresy in the history of the catholic Church{and has been condemned..Dubbia 2016,Filial consiliation 2017,laetita Amoris(condemned for promoting the acceptance of sin amongst Catholics),also equating the muslim pagan arab god Lah..who CURSES CHRISTIANS for believing in Jesus k9:30 with the Biblical God:HERESY}
see…
The prophecy of St Francis of Assisi and “the destroyer”
FATIMA 1917 {errors and Apostasy would come from Rome}
pope paul VI “the smoke of satan” has entered the church{NOT the Catholic faith itself BTW but what you see in ROME today..see catholic prophecies..}
Carolyne says
Exactly who called upon the Pope to do this? It is well known that when one hears voices in one’s head, it is the product of some mental disorder. It is the year 2019. Many of us understand that mythological beings flinging planets here and there simply do not exist. No pie in the sky when you die I’m pretty sure, much less a singularly unattractive old guy in a white dress having heavenly authority. I’m convinced there’s no business like show business. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
william rodgers says
1 Corinthians 3:19 “For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness”;[NIV] Clearly more dangerous foolishness from this pope
Lavéritétriomphera says
“We are called on to dialogue with Muslims to build the future of our societies and our cities,” pope Francis is right, there are “Muslims” who are not fanatical and have questions about Islam, they no longer believe in Qur’an. These “Muslims” are apostate that do not know themselves, we must help them to cross the line.
Robert Laity says
There are not many “apostate” Muslims. Can a viper change it’s ways? Can a tiger change it’s stripes? Beware of Muslims. They practice “Taqiya”. Organizational lying for the advancement of Islam. Islam is anathema.
Carol the 1st says
That does not seem to be the pope’s direction at all. You seem to be projecting your own thoughts upon him. If the pope thinks there can be come kind of melding then he’s choosing to do it over the ignored dead bodies of non-muslims. He is a materialistic man.
There are terrific ex-muslims however e.g. Apostate Prophet. I haven’t watched the video below but it’ likely has a lot of good information:
Apostate Prophet: Islamic reform, Ex Muslims, The potential pitfalls & The road ahead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxqvt4O-hCs&t=171s
Lavéritétriomphera says
The official discourse of the pope should not make us forget that he must be able to respond to current situations. As a Catholic he believes the enemies of Christ cannot win, and that the spirit of the Knights has not died in the Catholic world.
FYI says
It always cracks me up when islamic apologists think they are winning the argument.
Usually when people like the Apostate Prophet,Acts 17 apologetics with the awesome David Wood,and the Christian prince post the muslims post their silly videos thinking they have won..often with this format
“{Ap/cp/dw}busted and CAREER ENDED”
I love that CAREER ENDED bit….on the contrary,they are up and atem..LOL
Lavéritétriomphera says
And what would you expect from Baal’s slaves? As I noticed the Islamic leaders are not sincere, and Muslims have usually a blue fear of the truth!
gravenimage says
Lavéritétriomphera–with all respect–I don’t think that the Pope pandering to Islam is in any way helping apostates from Islam–it is more apt to further endanger them.
Lavéritétriomphera says
@gravenimage,
Bonjour,
Romans 2:11
For God does not show favoritism.
The pope is first of all a priest and he believes all men are equal in the eyes of God, and he is afraid of a Third World War.
If that were to happen, as a Catholic, he thinks God will intervene in the physical form of Jesus Christ, who is still alive, and that would mean we have failed.
Unless I’m mistaken, Donald Trump is afraid of a war too, and he is doing his utmost to avoid it.
The spirit of the Knights exists in the all world including of course USA.
Amitiés
David says
The pope is the pagan high priest of Rome – the pontifex Maximus! The devil’s high priest!
Lavéritétriomphera says
And what else?
Giacomo Latta says
Given how high the sanctity of life lies within the Pope’s soul, we shall soon see efforts to maintain a dialogue between the Mafia and the Catholic Church. Oh, wait, that’s been there for a while.
ooicu812 says
The RCC has SO MUCH historical blood on it’s hands if it weren’t so disgusting it would be laughable. Their top owners are the Sicilian Mafia. The ancient Fabii Maximi dynasty, called the Black Nobility because of it’s cruelty and ruthlessness, Massimo-Brancaccio, Fabrizio Prince of Arsoli and Triggiano-Prince Fabrizio Massimo-Brancaccio is a top owner of the Vatican and he also controls most of the Sicilian Mafia. Brancaccio is a neighborhood in Sicily where La Cosa Nostra originated. The Massimo family are one of the oldest families of Rome and claim to be the ancient Fabii Maximi dynasty. QUOTE: When you grow up in “The Family” like I did, you learn right off the bat that protection comes from everywhere, including the CIA, FBI and blessings from the Vatican who are at the top of the ladder when it comes to benefiting from Mafia street crime” ~Tony Gambino, the Gambino Crime Family
gravenimage says
No, the pope is not the Mafia–and the power of the Mafia has largely broken in much of Italy.
Carol the 1st says
Thus a replacement is needed? – enter the Religion of a Piece of the Action?
ooicu812 says
LOL
ooicu812 says
What other religion in Rome is the Mafia affiliated with? The RCC has been a party to, covered up and turned a blind eye to some of the most horrendous genocides in history. The RCC has been a money laundering facility for some of the most evil and ruthless people on earth. They are a godless institution.
Eric Jones says
How many billions of dollars is Saudi Arabia paying Francis to shill for Islam; and ignore the persecution of Christians around the world?
Eric
Robert Laity says
With all due respect to Pope Francis, I want to know WHO it is that “call[s] on” us to “partner” with Muslims. Islam/Sharia Law is repugnant to the teachings of the Bible. Muslims are NOT partners. Muslims are anathema. Islam/Sharia Law has no place in a civilized world. I cannot stress this enough. ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION. Evil permeates Islamic teachings.
Shaul says
It’s a false prophet!!
Marigold says
Hell will freeze over before Muslims enter into a peaceful co existence with Christians because Islam looks on Christians as second class citizens,On the other hand Pope Francis should know that Islam is the grandfather of all heresies in Christian theology.
JM says
On seeking peace with the islamic world:
“You can be full of kindness and love, but you cannot sleep next to a mad dog,”
(Buddhist monk Ashin Wirathu, referring to Muslims in Myanmar).