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Rashida Tlaib and that “safe haven” for Jews created by the Palestinians

Jun 1, 2019 2:00 pm By Hugh Fitzgerald

Appearing as a guest on the Yahoo News podcast “Skullduggery” in early May, Rashida Tlaib offered her own fantastical version of Israeli, and “Palestinian” history: 
“There’s always kind of a calming feeling, I tell folks, when I think of the Holocaust, and the tragedy of the Holocaust, and the fact that it was my ancestors — Palestinians — who lost their land and some lost their lives, their livelihood, their human dignity, their existence in many ways, have been wiped out, and some people’s [sic] passports,” Tlaib said on the podcast’s most recent episode, published Friday [May 11]. “And, just all of it was in the name of trying to create a safe haven for Jews, post-the Holocaust, post-the tragedy and the horrific persecution of Jews across the world at that time. And, I love the fact that it was my ancestors that provided that, right,[sic] in many ways, but they did it in a way that took their human dignity away and it  was forced on them.”
What kind of person, what kind of moral idiot, says that when she “thinks of the Holocaust” there “is always kind of a calming feeling”? We could stop right there, for that ought to be enough to permanently earn her universal scorn.  But let’s continue.
What she claims, in her confused and tortured English, is this:
Israel came into being to provide a “safe haven for Jews” after the Holocaust; it was the local population, the “Palestinians,” who “provided that safe haven” but in so doing, they lost “their land and some lost their lives, their livelihood, their human dignity, their existence in many ways.” You see, they were made to suffer for the crimes against the Jews committed by others, while being themselves guiltless.
Tlaib implies that Israel came into being as a reaction to the Holocaust. It did not. The Jewish state, as an idea and an ideal, long preceded the Holocaust. Eretz Israel was in the minds of exiled Jews for nearly two millennia. Modern Zionism, which called for Jews to rebuild a Jewish state in their ancestral homeland, began not — as Tlaib seems to think — post-World War II, as a belated attempt to create a “safe haven” after the Holocaust, but with Theodor Herzl, who made public at the First Zionist Congress in 1897 the goal of resurrecting a Jewish state.
Even under Ottoman rule, Jews had begun to return to Eretz Israel, buying land from local Arab owners and from absentee landlords in Amman, Beirut, and Istanbul, often at exorbitant prices. Jews continued to resettle in the Land of Israel during the period of the British mandate. They did not  despoil any local Arabs; these Jews paid handsomely for every last dunam they acquired. It was only after the 1948–49 war, in which the armies of five Arab countries attempted to snuff out the young life of the nascent Jewish state, that some land, from which the Arab owners had fled, was expropriated.
Rashida Tlaib appears not to know this history. And she describes the “Palestinians” (who came into existence, as a “people”– invented for propaganda purposes — only after the Six-Day War) as having had to sacrifice so much, in order that the Jews might have a “safe haven.” In fact, the local Arabs (Tlaib’s “Palestinians”) fought the Jews and opposed their return to Zion any way they could. Arabs were attacking Jewish settlers as early as 1920, at Tel Hai, where they killed Jewish farmers and burned their settlement to the ground; the same year, Arabs attacked Jews during the Nebi Musa riots in Jerusalem. Throughout the 1920s and 1930s local Arabs continued to attack Jews in farms, towns and cities.
The “Arab Revolt” in 1936-39 was, however, mainly directed at the British, who were seen as being too favorable toward the Jews (which was definitely not the case). The leader of the Palestinian Muslims, Haj Amin al-Husseini, went into exile during that revolt. Al-Husseini continued to promote violence against the Jews of ‘Palestine’, from his foreign eyries, first in Lebanon, then in Iraq. After a short stay in Fascist Italy, he ended up in Nazi Germany. From there Al-Husseini broadcast pro-Nazi propaganda to Arab and Muslim audiences; he found Bosnian Muslim volunteers for the Waffen-SS; he met with Hitler to express his enthusiasm for how the Fuehrer was dealing with European Jews; he may even have visited Auschwitz. He made propaganda broadcasts for the Nazis. He collaborated with the Germans in sabotage campaigns in Iraq, Transjordan, and ‘Palestine’. Husseini intervened on 13 May 1943, before the meeting with Himmler when he was informed of the Holocaust, with the German Foreign Office to block possible transfers of Jews from Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania to ‘Palestine’, after reports reached him that 4,000 Jewish children accompanied by 500 adults had managed to reach ‘Palestine’. He asked the Foreign Minister “to do his utmost” to block all such proposals, and this request was complied with. In June 1943 the Mufti recommended to the Hungarian minister that it would be better to send Jews in Hungary to concentration camps in Poland rather than let them find asylum in ‘Palestine’.
A year later, on 25 July 1944 he wrote to the Hungarian foreign minister to register his objection to the release of certificates for 900 Jewish children and 100 adults for transfer from Hungary, fearing they might end up in Palestine. He did everything he could to prevent European Jews from reaching Palestine.  He knew from Himmler himself what fate awaited them if they remained; that Final Solution was exactly what he wanted. This was the man who, even in exile, remained the undisputed leader of the Palestinian Arabs from the 1920s until after the first Arab-Israeli war.
Rashida Tlaib apparently knows none of this. Her history begins after World War II, with entirely innocent “Palestinians” being made to pay the price for the Holocaust. But those innocent “Palestinians” had been attacking and murdering Jews, whose only crime was to  have bought land in ‘Palestine’, since the 1920s. Their leader Al-Husseini eagerly collaborated with the Nazis and made every effort to persuade governments in Europe to prevent Jews from escaping to ‘Palestine’. And it was the desire to placate the “Palestinians,” in order to avoid a repeat of the violence of the “Arab Revolt,”  that caused the British government to severely limit the numbers of Jews who could enter Mandatory Palestine.
By the White Paper of 1939, only 15,000 Jews would be allowed into ‘Palestine’ each year, for five years; at the end of that period, any further Jewish immigration would be subject to veto by the Arabs, which meant it would end. The Arab pressure on the British thus led to a policy that prevented hundreds of thousands of desperate Jews from finding refuge just before, and during, World War II, in Mandatory Palestine. Instead, they were forced to remain in Europe, where they were murdered. The “Palestinians” had ensured that the gates to ‘Palestine’, for Jews, would remain shut.
Rashida Tlaib might want to look into the long history of how the local Arabs — her “Palestinians” — did everything they could to make sure that Jews would not find a “safe haven” in ‘Palestine’. They attacked Jews wherever they were — Jewish farmers and Jews living in towns, Jews living in Jerusalem and in the three other “holy cities” of Judaism, Hebron, Safed, and Tiberias, and Jews living in the brand-new city of Tel Aviv. These attacks by local Arabs started during World War I, continued during the mandate period, and are still ongoing, as we all know, right up to the present day. That’s some “safe haven” the “Palestinians” provided the Jews. Will Rashida Tlaib dare to admit that her potted history is dead wrong? Will she recognize the role of her “ancestors,” not in helping Jews to find refuge, but in making sure that they did not?
Tlaib apparently does not know that the 1948-49 Arab-Israeli war began when five Arab armies — those of Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and Iraq — invaded the newly-declared state of Israel. The Secretary-General of the Arab League, Azzam Pasha, promised a “momentous massacre” of a kind that had not been seen since the days of the Mongols. Some “Palestinians” fled in the months prior to the Arab attack, so as to get out of the way of those armies; they had been assured that the Jews would be quickly crushed, and that they could then safely return to their homes. Those who chose to remain were neither dispossessed of their land, nor killed by the Israelis. Contrary to Rashida Tlaib’s preposterous assertion, they lost neither their lives, nor their livelihoods, nor their dignity.
Israel did indeed become a “safe haven” for Jews, but that was solely through the efforts of the Jews themselves, and despite the determination of the “Palestinians” to destroy the Jews already in ‘Palestine’, and to ensure that as few as possible would arrive, fleeing the Nazis, from Europe. The fable Rashida Tlaib tells, of “Palestinians:” being made to answer for the crimes of the Nazis, ignores decades of Arab attacks on Jewish settlers, of successful Arab efforts to persuade the British to severely limit Jewish immigration to ‘Palestine’, and to insist that European countries not allow any Jews to escape to the one place where they might have found refuge.
Rashida Tlaib’s string of self-pitying counter-factuals about the supposed role of the “Palestinians” in providing a “safe haven” for Jews, and about how they, so blameless, have been made to suffer for it, both astonishes and disgusts. She should be urged to study, for a start, the life and works of Haj Amin al-Husseini.  But I doubt if she would have the decency to do it. One thing about Rashida Tlaib is certain. History is not her strong suit.

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  1. gravenimage says

    Jun 1, 2019 at 2:07 pm

    Rashida Tlaib and that “safe haven” for Jews created by the Palestinians
    ………………..

    Meanwhile, back in reality, the “Palestinian” Muslims are busy trying to destroy Israel–as is Tlaib herself, with her aggressive “BDS”. And here is what “Palestinians” are doing in Britain, in a story just reported today:

    “UK: Jews in fear after pro-Palestinian group supported by Jeremy Corbyn forces Jewish shops closed”

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/06/uk-jews-in-fear-after-pro-palestinian-group-supported-by-jeremy-corbyn-forces-jewish-shops-closed

    • jarmanray says

      Jun 2, 2019 at 1:51 am

      GI,

      All must also remember that as the last British troops boarded their ship back to England, the Arabs started to go from door to door of the Jews living in what is now the Jewish state of Israel trying to kill them. Unlike the Jews of Europe at the time of the Hitler led NATZI led parasites, the Jews of Israel stood their ground. There would not have been a Jewish state had the Arabs not tried to kill every Jew who had been their ally in the struggle to rid the land of the British.

      • carpediadem says

        Jun 2, 2019 at 2:51 am

        Thank you,Jarmanray, I was not aware of this particular detail, however am not surprised. Any links appreciated.

      • J D.S says

        Jun 2, 2019 at 8:28 am

        Stupid people do and say stupid things and that goes for the people who elected this woman.

        • PRCS says

          Jun 2, 2019 at 5:15 pm

          Voting by ethnic and religious ‘block’.
          Abetted by ‘useful idiots’.
          Dearborn.
          All of Minnesota (Ellison is now the state’s AG).

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 2, 2019 at 10:50 pm

        I’m glad the Jews of Israel fought back.

        Sadly, this was not generally an potion for the much-outnumbered Jews of Europe during the Holocaust. The few exceptions were the Warsaw Ghetto uprising and Sobibor–the former did not end well.

      • Gingersnap says

        Jun 5, 2019 at 11:57 am

        Jarmanray, what year was that? God will protect his people when they ask Him!!

    • carpediadem says

      Jun 2, 2019 at 2:50 am

      @GI,

      the Islamic sense of reality is that Islam IS a safe haven for everyone, so their perception is matched their definition of reality, just as the abuser’s sense of reality defines his perceptions such that his conduct is alsways correct, but the rest of us in nonIslamic fantasy land know the actual reality which is that Islam is poison and viciousness to all who are not Islamic/the right brand of Islam.

      PS. Forgive the convolutions but when dealing with Islam one deals with perception salad. 😉

      • mortimer says

        Jun 2, 2019 at 3:28 pm

        Well said by CD. Truly, for Muslims, facts obviously do not matter. The Koran and hadiths are self-referentially incoherent. ‘Perception’ is indeed EVERYTHING in Islam and a Muslim’s perception of truth is defended by the sword, rather than by verifiable facts and valid, logical conclusions. Islam is filled with the ‘poison’ of slander against whoever resists Islam’s dominance. The slanders from Islam justify jihadic violence and deceptions against the dirty kufaar.

        • Carol the 1st says

          Jun 5, 2019 at 11:38 am

          That fanciful, “poetic”, self-serving version of “truth” is exactly what historian Leon Uris described in his book “The Haj” (must read it again).
          Hugh Fitzgerald’s article contains excellent information and should be saved and pasted into the many evil, misleading propaganda versions of past reality and behaviour.

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 2, 2019 at 10:54 pm

        You could be right, carpediadem. But that assumes that Rashida Tlaib is being honest in her feelings here.

        I think Tlaib is more making the claim that Muslims offered Jews a safe haven and then the Jews killed them and stole their land. This is absolute calumny, of course, but I think this is what Tlaib is trying to sell to the American public.

    • William A Carr says

      Jun 2, 2019 at 4:04 am

      Gravenimage. Never mind today the so called ‘palestinians’ did their very best to destroy the new state of Israel from the very beginning, so much for ‘creating’ a safe haven!

      • mortimer says

        Jun 2, 2019 at 7:12 pm

        Agree with WmCarr: Tlaib was blabbering with her so-called brain in neutral. Islam is based on such blabbering and you will read much the same incoherent blabber in the Koran page after page of it.

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 2, 2019 at 10:57 pm

        Absolutely agree, William.

  2. Angela says

    Jun 1, 2019 at 2:35 pm

    Ya know, I never thought I’d be all for the hijab. But in this case, for the love of God please cover that face.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 1, 2019 at 2:43 pm

      Angela, Hijabs cover the head, hair, and neck. Niqabs cover the face except for the eyes, and the Burqa provides a mesh over the eyes so they cannot be seen.

      • Carol the 1st says

        Jun 5, 2019 at 12:19 pm

        This is a little late asking, but you often see the dress covering arms and falling to the floor (invariably black) while the head and neck are scarved (perhaps but not necessarily as part of the dress) and yet the face is FULLY on view (unlike the niqabs which may leave eyes or eyes and forehead open to view). Does this dress have a familiar name? I think it deserves one as it sends an even stronger identification signal than the hijab as to wasted female muslim values.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_hijab

        • Carol the 1st says

          Jun 5, 2019 at 12:57 pm

          There are some possibilities (shayla,khimar and chador) but shouldn’t this “in-between” version or combination have it’s own name? It’s neither unacceptable fox (burqa) nor (with reluctance) somewhat acceptable hare (hijab).
          http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/05/europe_muslim_veils/html/4.stm

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 5, 2019 at 4:25 pm

          What you describe sounds like a Chador, Carol. Here is a picture:

          http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/files/2009/07/chador1.jpg

          Personally, I’m sick to death of all of this bs–I wish I didn’t have to know what an Abaya and Burqa and all the rest of this oppressive ugliness is.

    • Renate says

      Jun 1, 2019 at 5:06 pm

      That’s what I think, too. She is one ugly looking woman, inside and out. Someone please slap a niqab on her!

      • WPM says

        Jun 2, 2019 at 1:00 pm

        What happens went inbreeding goes on for over 500 years.

        • Renate says

          Jun 2, 2019 at 8:40 pm

          I think you’re right. It’s odd that their prophet would allow such a thing when it’s so detrimental to humans.

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 3, 2019 at 8:30 pm

          Inbreeding is far from the most detrimental thing Muslims do…

    • abad says

      Jun 1, 2019 at 10:18 pm

      I’m a woman and agree, she should cover her face. Her soul is as ugly as her face is.

      Hijab = covering out of guilt.

      • The Blue Raven says

        Jun 2, 2019 at 3:34 am

        Totally agree. Ugly on the outside and ugly on the inside.

      • Gingersnap says

        Jun 5, 2019 at 12:06 pm

        Is there something that would cover up her words? They are so anti-American it’s not funny.

      • Carol the 1st says

        Jun 5, 2019 at 12:25 pm

        You’ve got it wrong, abad. Niqab or Burga best cover that territory.

  3. Rarely says

    Jun 1, 2019 at 2:54 pm

    To the Palestinians History is whatever they can imagine so long as it favours them.
    No rational thought in Tlaib’s revisionist analysist. It’s full of contradictions.

    • Carol the 1st says

      Jun 5, 2019 at 12:29 pm

      Islam is the “greasy wheel” that gets the most “squeak”.

  4. somehistory says

    Jun 1, 2019 at 3:23 pm

    This ugly idiot is a moslim and therefore, automatically, a liar, guilty of lying in the first degree. As a moslim, she is a foul-mouthed, loudmouth and possibly a criminal for committing fraud in her run for political office.
    She is living in the moslim fantasy world of moslims always the victim, and always the do-gooder.
    She is lying in order to make islam the conquering force, and in her pathetic English, in other times, no one would listen to her.
    She relishes the idea of another Holocaust in which she plays a prominent part…that is why she has a “calming feeling” at the idea. That is also the reason she has such a big, broad, ugly grin, her moslim finger in the air…she thinks that scenario is coming soon.

    She is so very, very wrong.

    • mortimer says

      Jun 2, 2019 at 7:15 pm

      Muslims don’t always tell falsehoods, but when they do, they use TAQIYYA, KITMAN and TAWRIYA.

    • PRCS says

      Jun 2, 2019 at 10:54 pm

      Her physical appearance is irrelevant to the real problem:

      Her ‘religion’.

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 2, 2019 at 11:06 pm

        +1

  5. Danforth says

    Jun 1, 2019 at 3:49 pm

    Does anyone recognize the pin/broach she is sporting on her blouse? Would it have anything to do with her Muslim roots? A sign to others perhaps?

    • abad says

      Jun 1, 2019 at 10:20 pm

      It looks like a scimitar

    • libertyORdeath says

      Jun 2, 2019 at 12:22 am

      It actually looks more like a native American dream catcher

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 2, 2019 at 11:07 pm

        True, libertyORdeath. She is probably faking solidarity to appear politically correct.

    • Carol the 1st says

      Jun 5, 2019 at 4:14 pm

      She’s wearing this embroidered “thobe” at her swearing-in. It signifies her Palestinian roots and is a reminder of her mother who once made them. I don’t know what the broach is about.

  6. James says

    Jun 1, 2019 at 4:05 pm

    A lot of the history provided by people like her is invented to support their ideology. The same applies to, for example, the Democrat’s explanation of how the Republicans became the party of racism by a reversal in the Nixon southern strategy. Or the way leftists are tearing down monuments to Confederate generals. The question is if the Arabs were so welcoming to the Jews in the Holocaust, why are they not welcoming today? Why the reversal? And what exactly was “taken” from them by the Jews? Most of Israel was created by the Jews not by the Palestinians, the buildings, institutions, infrastructure, factories, research institutes, schools, hospitals, farms, irrigation projects, greenhouses, etc. Do the Palestinians want all this for free, or are they going to compensate the Israelis for it? With what? It could be that if they achieved their dream they might turn Palestine back into the wasteland it was in the 19th century before Jews began coming there and building and creating modern Palestine. is Zimbabwe a model of what Israel might one day become?

    • Princess says

      Jun 1, 2019 at 9:39 pm

      The Arabs obviously don’t want the Israeli greenhouses as witnessed after the Israelis left Gaza. The greenhouses that the Israelis left behind were completely destroyed to the ground.

  7. Wellington says

    Jun 1, 2019 at 4:26 pm

    So fitting Talib would just make up things since Islam from its inception has just made up things (e.g., Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus were all Muslims).

    Have Islam and its deluded believers in your midst? Well then, welcome to fantasy land and a deceitful, wicked fantasy land at that.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 1, 2019 at 4:30 pm

      Yes–Islam is not just based on fantasies, but on such malign fantasies.

      • The Blue Raven says

        Jun 1, 2019 at 9:18 pm

        Absolutely.

      • mortimer says

        Jun 2, 2019 at 7:19 pm

        Thanks, GI. A very good summary: ‘malign fantasies’.

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 2, 2019 at 11:08 pm

          Thank you, Mortimer.

    • Joe says

      Jun 2, 2019 at 5:48 am

      The bad part of Islam came from Mohammed. He came into the picture when Islam moved its pilgrimage city from Petra to Mecca. The Islam in Petra seemed to be fine. The Korans that existed before Mohammed are inspirational.

      Abraham’s father moved from Mesopotamia to Petra, so it is likely that Abraham was a Muslim for a while, but that was in Petra when Islam was benign. In addition, Abraham left that religion, and started the Israelite religion.

      We know that people from across the world took pilgrimages to Noah’s grave. During the same time and in the same region, Petra was the city where pilgrimages were made. It is speculation, but it could be that Islam was started by the pilgrimages to Noah’s grave. Those black stones could have been Noah’s sarcophagus at one time.

      My point is that there could well be some connection.

      Of course, Islam was ruined by Mohammed, so the common roots, if any, no longer are relevant to the people of today.

      • WPM says

        Jun 2, 2019 at 6:23 am

        Abraham father was not a “Moslem” Islam did not exist in Abraham fathers time ,many pagan religious practices existed .Islam is a really bad plagiarized combination of pagan , Christianity and Jewish faiths. It is an excuse to rob ,steal , rape, and destroy other civilized cultures .It came into being around 600 AD and has not change in the last 1400 years. If Mohammed existed or not, he is the model for the best ideal man in Islam ,a raping , child molesting ,murdering , lying, thieving, ,double crossing, cross dressing, incestual ,pervert ,that over billion people follow and are told to try to be like.

      • Wellington says

        Jun 2, 2019 at 11:52 am

        Joe: There was no Islam before Mohammed and thus claims that Abraham was a Muslim are ludicrous. Islam appropriated Old Testament figures as Muslims (Jesus too) but this is just false as is Islam all around.

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 2, 2019 at 11:23 pm

        Joe wrote:

        The bad part of Islam came from Mohammed. He came into the picture when Islam moved its pilgrimage city from Petra to Mecca. The Islam in Petra seemed to be fine. The Korans that existed before Mohammed are inspirational.
        ……………………..

        Joe, there is no indication that Islam was first practiced at Petra (the claims that the early Qiblas pointed to Petra appear to be baseless). There is no reference to Petra in any Islamic texts at all.

        While there do appear to be a handful of pre-Islamic myths that made it into the Qur’an, Islam was not practiced until Muhammed.

        More:

        Abraham’s father moved from Mesopotamia to Petra, so it is likely that Abraham was a Muslim for a while, but that was in Petra when Islam was benign. In addition, Abraham left that religion, and started the Israelite religion.
        ……………………..

        Where to start? There is no indication that Terah ever lived in Petra–he lived in Mespotamia.

        Then, Abraham and his father lived millenia before Islam existed.

        Not even Muslims claim that monotheism began at Petra.

        More:

        We know that people from across the world took pilgrimages to Noah’s grave. During the same time and in the same region, Petra was the city where pilgrimages were made. It is speculation, but it could be that Islam was started by the pilgrimages to Noah’s grave. Those black stones could have been Noah’s sarcophagus at one time.

        My point is that there could well be some connection.
        ……………………..

        This is really odd–there are various Muslim claims for the location of Noah’s grave, including Azerbaijan, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, and Turkey. I have seen *no* claim that Noah was buried at Petra.

        Where are you getting these claims from?

        More:

        Of course, Islam was ruined by Mohammed, so the common roots, if any, no longer are relevant to the people of today.
        ……………………..

        The is no indication, in Islamic texts, in history from other peoples, or in the archaeological record that there was ever any form of peaceful Islam–or of any kind of Islam–predating Muhammed.

      • Demsci says

        Jun 5, 2019 at 12:47 pm

        Then some of us are aware of Dan Gibson’s documentary. And they or others of the writings of Tom Holland, Robert Spencer on early Islam. And the debunking of Mohammed and the Quran by Jay Smith. If anything Islam came much later than Mohammed it seems. Abd al Malik (Caliph 685-705) had a big part in its “invention”.

        Mecca is not mentioned either in the early Islamic writings, but “Bacca”, the “place of tears”, is. It refers to the many earthquakes, the last one in 713 AD or so, which caused abandonment of the city.

        Dan Gibson gives quite a few more clues than just the qibla-directions (OK they can be baseless, but let us be aware of Islamic counterpropaganda).

        That counterpropaganda cannot find a place called Mecca before the year 740 in the historical record. The Saudi government cannot show 7th century archeological finds in Mecca. Despite them opening the ground for building multiple times.

        Jay Smith logically argues that Mecca does not logically lie on a trade route, but Petra very much does.

        By the way; Petra has incredible mysterious monumentally big temples or palaces, which can’t be dated.

        Not precisely historical is the following maybe, but it would have been much easier for Abraham to reach Petra than Mecca out from Israel. Even Mohammed could have easily traveled from Petra to Jerusalem, albeit not on that flying horse.

        The Quran says every day Mohammed passed “Lots wife”, that saltpillar, that of course is near the Dead Sea and Petra. There is a cave very near Petra, that suits the description of Mohammed’s cave in Petra, but not anywhere near Mecca.

        The rebel Ibn Zubeir probably moved the “black stone” from Petra to Mecca around 683.

        There is so much that favors Petra over Mecca for the place of Mohammed. Who himself was only chosen and popularized as supreme prophet by Abd Al Malik

        And Mohammed too is almost never mentioned in the Quran (3 times). Coin evidence is also very very late in history.

        Let us put the burden of proof on the Muslims, their story has been discredited thoroughly already.

  8. Halal Bacon says

    Jun 1, 2019 at 5:12 pm

    yah, and Hitler sold Easy-Bake ovens

  9. Georg says

    Jun 1, 2019 at 5:50 pm

    “moral idiot”

    Appropriate descriptor for her a a class of others.

  10. Dee miller says

    Jun 1, 2019 at 6:28 pm

    It is not ignorance , nor stupidity that prompts these false statements, but rather the Muslim doctrine of Taqqiya , or the permission given to Muslims to lie in the cause of promoting Islam.
    The constant stream of lies , and misrepresentation comes not only from Islamic representatives in our own government , but is supported by own own American media. This is a sort of mass ” Stockholm syndrome” , the likes of which I have never seen in my 58 years of existence.
    Remember , if I lived anywhere in Europe , this post would earn me a visit from the local police , and at least a serious fine , if not a jail sentence….

    • Wellington says

      Jun 1, 2019 at 6:42 pm

      I comprehend your point, Dee miller, but I would assert that taqiyya is evidence of both ignorance and stupidity (mendacity too). And on a grand scale no less.

      If promoting Islam, whether by Mo’s deluded followers or by dhimmi apologists for Islam, is not de facto and res ispa loquitor evidence of both ignorance and stupidity, and accompanied by mendacity most certainly, then what the hell is?

      In short, taqiyya = stupidity and ignorance—and mendacity— of the highest dimension.

      • mortimer says

        Jun 2, 2019 at 7:22 pm

        Re taqiyya. It comes from Allah, so taqiyya has theological authority. Allah is the best of deceivers. Islam actually encourages such lying. Muslims lie with a good conscience.

        Allahu khayru l-makireena – Koran. 3:54; cf. 8:30

    • libertyORdeath says

      Jun 2, 2019 at 12:26 am

      I think I agree with you Dee, with the widespread propaganda put out by the Palestinian Authority she may actually believe the made up history but I think its more likely that she knows that what she is saying is a lie. It seems like one more piece of the Palestinian taqiyya that is gaining acceptance throughout the world with the ignorant and muliticulturalists.

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 2, 2019 at 11:44 pm

        +1

  11. Spiro says

    Jun 1, 2019 at 7:12 pm

    What is that pin/broach ?

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 3, 2019 at 8:47 pm

      Looks like a Native American Dreamcatcher.

  12. Canada says

    Jun 1, 2019 at 9:37 pm

    F. Hugh.
    Sending to you.
    Hi to Robert and Christine.
    A garage behind me, lots of stuff and a Linda S. leading. No joke.
    Find the root, Windsor thorn weed.
    Send to.

  13. jewdog says

    Jun 1, 2019 at 10:15 pm

    Ain’t third world immigration great? We can have our own domestic conspiracy theorists, jihadis and fake history mongers. The next step will be TV talk shows featuring morons going on about the Jooos.
    Welcome to America, Rashida, now go home.

  14. Bob Builder says

    Jun 1, 2019 at 10:58 pm

    This Jihadi broad is an unintelligent clown.

    That’s a good thing for our Democracy.

  15. mortimer says

    Jun 1, 2019 at 11:39 pm

    Actually, the local Arabs had nothing to do with the early land sales, because they didn’t own the land. THE TURKISH ABSENTEE LANDLORDS IN CONSTANTINOPLE OWNED EVERYTHING and charged the Arabs RENT.

    The Jewish settlers PAID MONEY TO THE ABSENTEE TURKISH LANDLORDS in CONSTANTINOPLE in order to buy the land of Israel. Jewish organizations bought Israel piece by piece from TURKS, and NOT from Arabs who didn’t own it.

    Don’t you just love REAL history? Obviously, Tlaib loves MAKING UP history to suit her whims.

    • Linde Barrera says

      Jun 2, 2019 at 8:47 am

      To Mortimer- Thank you for your comment of June 1, 2019 @ 11:39 pm regarding the Turkish landlords in Constantinople owning the lands of what is now Israel and renting out parcels of land to the Arabs who occupied them. This fact gives me new information as I recall reading from the Peel Commission of 1937 that the Jews bought the lands from the absentee Arabic landowners. I do not remember the word “Turkish landowners” but I have no doubt you are stating truth. I would like to know more about these Turkish landowners of Constantinople. Can you provide me with any links? Thank you kindly.

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 2, 2019 at 11:53 pm

        Linde, the Levant was part of the Ottoman Empire at the time, so many landlords were indeed located in the Ottoman capital.

  16. Relic says

    Jun 1, 2019 at 11:42 pm

    Waffen-SS

    • libertyORdeath says

      Jun 2, 2019 at 6:34 am

      I finally understand why Europe was so terrified

  17. mortimer says

    Jun 1, 2019 at 11:42 pm

    What sort of American goes into Congress every day dressed like an ARAB? People might be confused to think that Tlaid is representing the ARABS in Congress, rather than AMERICAN voters.

  18. mortimer says

    Jun 2, 2019 at 12:03 am

    When a Muslims like Tlaib apparently makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER, is INCOHERENT and even ABSURD, it’s usually because he/she is QUOTING from the ABSURD STUFF in the Koran.

    When Tlaib says she feels ‘CALM’ when she thinks of the slaughter of Jews under Hitler’s henchmen, she is obviously QUOTING FROM KORAN 9.14 …

    – “Fight them (fight to the death = qātilūhum)! Allah will chastise them at your hands, and He will lay them low and give you victory over them, and He will heal the breasts of folk who are believers. (Pickthall version)

    – “Fight them (qātilūhum). May God PUNISH them (with death) by your hands, HUMILIATE them, give you VICTORY over them, DELIGHT the hearts of the believers. (Muhammad Sarwar version).

    So when Tlaib thinks about the Jews being burned and slaughter IT DELIGHTS THE HEARTS of MUSLIMS … like Tlaib.

    Message UNDERSTOOD! Message received !! Allah wants Muslims to be pleased when kafirs are ‘punished’ with death.

    Tlaib is now OBSERVED as a sadistic, genocidal supremacist. We had no doubt.

  19. Clayton Norcroft says

    Jun 2, 2019 at 12:36 am

    And yet, once again, I repeat: what Rashida Tlaib said is already so popular, and already seems so righteous to millions of true believers in the Palestinian cause, that its sheer moral eminence is taken by them as reason enough to accept, and insist on, its truth. If reason were prevailing, well and good, when someone spouts ignorant nonsense. But reason is taking a back seat to politics, to ideology, to self-pity and self-congratulation, on this subject. I would like to think the article above might be a useful corrective to that, but, alas, it will probably only be read by those who already agree with it.

  20. Robert_k says

    Jun 2, 2019 at 2:13 am

    The Mufti also had a calming feeling after the Holocaust. But he, too, was upset that some of them got away,

    • mortimer says

      Jun 2, 2019 at 7:25 pm

      KORAN 9.14 … calming, delighting, healing the breasts of Muslims when enemies of Allah are killed …

      – “Fight them (fight to the death = qātilūhum)! Allah will chastise them at your hands, and He will lay them low and give you victory over them, and He will heal the breasts of folk who are believers. (Pickthall version)

      – “Fight them (qātilūhum). May God PUNISH them (with death) by your hands, HUMILIATE them, give you VICTORY over them, DELIGHT the hearts of the believers. (Muhammad Sarwar version).

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 2, 2019 at 11:57 pm

      Spot on, Robert.

  21. Frederick King says

    Jun 2, 2019 at 3:36 am

    Her mouth looks lik she just blew a really big meat whistle.

  22. duh swami says

    Jun 2, 2019 at 4:12 am

    The case of the multiplying Muslims in Congress…First there were none, then two, now three…Next month, five, in a year 50?
    ‘Enough is enough and enough is too much’…
    This is the result of immigration jihad…Immigrate in large numbers, multiply like rabbits, capture the vote and elect each other to office, and here comes sharia law…

  23. Terra Nova says

    Jun 2, 2019 at 6:34 am

    Tlalib, people felt as calm as you would feel when you reach the point when you would be stoned, raped, beheaded or raped, etc. That is a real calmness, or when your children are locked up in a church, which they set on fire. How you think and don’t know anything how the second WW went. You should inform yourself
    about concentration camps and about WW2. And about your story of Islam and surely about the last 1.400
    years. Go home, and spew your untruths there in the desert. You only want our countries and be superior to us, to comfort yourselves in a spread bed, as you were never able to , to build up your own countries.
    GO HOME.!

  24. Bob says

    Jun 2, 2019 at 9:16 am

    Wonderfully written piece, Mr. Fitzgerald. My only wish is that you were there to advocate for the truth and landblast her lies. And, as always, the muslims are the victims. Thank you for enlightening us all with this history lesson!!!

    • Hugh Fitzgerald says

      Jun 2, 2019 at 9:51 am

      You are very welcome.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 3, 2019 at 12:00 am

      Seconded, Bob.

  25. E T says

    Jun 2, 2019 at 10:18 am

    She is a Muslim, a supporter of THE TOXIC MASCULINITY cult of ISLAM. Does she believe in American law or Shariah law?

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 3, 2019 at 9:13 pm

      E T, Tlaib has refused to condemn brutal Shari’ah law:

      “Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar REFUSE to Condemn Brunei’s Sharia-Directed Stoning of Homosexuals”

      https://bigleaguepolitics.com/rashida-tlaib-ilhan-omar-refuse-to-condemn-bruneis-sharia-directed-stoning-of-homosexuals/

  26. Ginger Snap says

    Jun 2, 2019 at 10:46 am

    Israel belongs to the Jews for the biggest reason there is, from the supreme ruler.

    “The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler’s staff from between his feet, until he to whom it belongs shall come and the obedience of the nations shall be his.”
    ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭49:10‬ ‭NIV‬‬
    Jesus has come once and is coming again.

  27. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Jun 2, 2019 at 10:46 am

    This HF post is the definitive word on early history of Israel, both pre- and post-1949. I saved it to a Word doc for reference.

    So the Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini had a radio show that was wildly popular with Palestinians, which is remarkable give that they wouldn’t come into existence until about 1967. Before they were Bedouin Arabs, sold out by their absentee Arab landlords.

    But when Congresswoman Tlaib talks about the unwilling but dignified accommodation of Jews to a safe haven, she should mention that the Grand Mufti’s talk show was wildly popular among these supposed dignified Arabs, who were crowded around their radios listing to the Grand Mufti with great pleasure.

    He, as we know, would go up to Berlin to help Adolph set up operations and even a few Arab SS divisions. 6 million snuffed Jews later, she feels comfort.

  28. Walter Sieruk says

    Jun 2, 2019 at 12:54 pm

    That Jewish hating Muslim politician, Rashida Taib has spoken again with her most recent ignorant words ,exposed in the above top article. Along with her earlier her callous statements about the genocide of the Jewish people during World War II and likewise her other kinds of comments that are very negative the Jews are revealing that she is ,in essence , very un-American .

    As the former US President, William Howard Taft, had in a speech declared “Antisemitism is a noxious weed that should be cut out. It has no place in America”

  29. Bernice says

    Jun 2, 2019 at 1:49 pm

    An example of what the Palestinians teach their kids to justify their actions. Can she believe it? It’s entirely possible. She seems clueless enough.

  30. Rob Nellist says

    Jun 2, 2019 at 5:49 pm

    That racist bitch needs to be deported you can,t be an American and a muslim the two are incompatable

  31. somehistory says

    Jun 3, 2019 at 8:24 pm

    mortimer

    moslims, like all psychopaths, lie to enhance their profile, to keep from being punished for what they have done, to gain at the expense of others, etc.
    This moslim, made hideous by her lies and her evil beliefs, has lied about the Holocaust in order to enhance her profile and that of her family who may have helped in persecuting the Jews in the past, to mislead those who have no knowledge of the facts of the history of how things came to be, to make herself feel good, etc.
    There are words in the English language that mean the same as lying…prevarication, denial of the truth, falsify, fabrication, etc. No matter what the lie is called, it’s still a lie. And the average non moslim looks upon lies as a wrong…even if they themselves lie to avoid unpleasant consequences or to make themselves look better to others.
    moslims, on the other hand, look at lying…whatever word they use at any given time, as a good thing to practice because they wish to mislead and distort in order to make islam dominate.

    If she had been born in years past, she would be laughed at, and certainly, not given a public platform to spew her lies, in her attempt to make moslims look like the innocent victims and doers of good toward others.

    But, Jesus said the Truth does not remain hidden and secrets become known. This ugly moslim will be defeated, because her very ugliness is due to her evil lies. Just as all the others who practice satan worship, and worship of his wild beast.

  32. TKF says

    Jun 4, 2019 at 2:12 am

    I guess if you are a Muslim it’s okay to be a Jew hater as long as you say it’s only against Israel ans Zionism. What farce.

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