“There’s only two ways to lose your citizenship: one is when a person voluntarily gives it up and two is when there’s some fraud or illegality in its procurement…” “The government’s key argument was that by linking up with al-Qaida between 2000 and 2003, Faris raised doubt that he was sincere when he pledged allegiance to the U.S. as part of his naturalization process in 1999.”
Exactly. Iyman Faris pledged allegiance to the United States of America, but in reality, he was a citizen of the global umma. Islam in all its forms teaches that one’s identity as a Muslim is paramount, superseding all other allegiances, including nationality. John Walker Lindh is also a citizen of the global umma, and some legal provision needs to be made for American citizens who make such choices. There used to be a charge known as “treason,” with which he was never charged. But he was waging jihad warfare for the Taliban against United States forces when he was apprehended. If that isn’t treason, what is?
“Trump officials pushing to strip convicted terrorists of citizenship,” by Josh Gerstein, Politico, June 8, 2019:
John Walker Lindh walked out of prison last month and returned to American life, having served 17 years for providing support to the Taliban.
But another American who pleaded guilty in a high-profile terrorism case after the Sept. 11 attacks is facing a tougher path to freedom.
Like Lindh, Iyman Faris received a 20-year sentence at a time when the country was still on edge about further terror attacks. And the Ohio-based trucker admitted to involvement in a plot that sounded like al-Qaida’s most spectacular since 9/11 — an attempt to bring down the Brooklyn Bridge by using gas torches to cut the cables holding it up.
Faris, however, was not born in the United States, and the Trump administration has a controversial plan for him as he’s about to be released: strip him of his U.S. citizenship and kick him out of the country. Or perhaps keep him behind bars indefinitely.
Critics say the current move to revoke the al-Qaida sleeper agent’s American citizenship highlights the limited progress the U.S. has made in the past two decades in prison-based deradicalization efforts. They also say it could create a dangerous new front in how the legal system treats U.S. citizens convicted of terrorism offenses.
“It’s part and parcel of the rest of the immigration policy which is just to demonize people from other countries,” said Joshua Dratel, a Manhattan defense attorney. “It’s an aggressive move.”
In the absence of a life sentence or capital punishment, native-born Americans like Lindh seem all but certain to walk the streets in the U.S. again after serving their sentences, even if they’re unrepentant. But naturalized citizens like the Pakistani-born Faris are at risk of being deported over their allegiance to al-Qaida.
“The Supreme Court has said there’s no excommunication when it comes to citizenship,” said Case Western Reserve University law professor Andra Robertson. “There’s only two ways to lose your citizenship: one is when a person voluntarily gives it up and two is when there’s some fraud or illegality in its procurement … If you’re a native-born citizen, obviously you didn’t commit fraud to get your citizenship, so only a naturalized citizen can lose their citizenship involuntarily.”
Just one day after Lindh was released from a federal prison in California last month, Justice Department lawyers filed a motion with a federal judge in Illinois, urging her to void Faris’ U.S. citizenship. The government’s key argument was that by linking up with al-Qaida between 2000 and 2003, Faris raised doubt that he was sincere when he pledged allegiance to the U.S. as part of his naturalization process in 1999….
Bill says
Yes!!!!
aba says
Excellent news! Send them all back to Syria!
Frederick King says
Hang him, and the american we can’t deport.
Buraq says
Al Capone, Al Qaida, there’s no difference. The remedy? Refurbish Al Catraz and keep the clowns there for life!
ooicu812 says
Al Capone started the first soup kitchen for the people during the depression. The depression deliberately caused by elitist bankers. Elitist Bankers would be more in line with Al Qaida than Al Capone.
Lydia Church says
And history repeats itself yet again…
gravenimage says
Oh, good lord. Here’s some fool pretending that the bloody Al Capone was primarily a philanthropist.
Frederick King says
I agree. they have a great prison farm. Angola, Louisiana. They work 7/7.
Antony1977 says
Much better and just logical is not to push to strip him of his citizenship status but to convict him of a treason. Then the punishment should clearly be a death centence.
eduardo odraude says
18 US Code §2381:
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
Donovan Nuera says
Hang him from the Brooklyn Bridge at midspan in an iron maiden like Billy the Kidd and let him rot until the seagulls nibble every last part. Mr. Roebling would approve!!!
Donovan Nuera says
[correction] Captain Kidd the Pirate
shortfattexan says
“Hang him from the Brooklyn Bridge at midspan in an iron maiden”
You mean his punishment is that he has to listen to 80’s metal?
mortimer says
If most Western countries removed citizenship from jihad-terrorists, the rate of jihad terror would drop somewhat. Of course, the most fanatic are totally convinced in the correctness of JIHAD-TERROR, so nothing will dissuade them. However, removing citizenship would keep those who commit terrorism in another country from ever returning. This would reduce the number of terrorists in a country by one, but it would send a message to jihadi youth that they might be next.
At least, Western countries should construct ‘Devil’s Islands’ in which jihad-terrorists may be quarantined from the general civilian population and kept from recruiting the general PRISON POPULATION as is occurring right now.
No Islam recruiter should be in the general prison population.
Meanwhile, nothing is being done to persuade detained Muslims from leaving Islam as a death cult, a supremacist cult, a misogyny cult and an extortion cult at odds with civilization and with the modern, egalitarian, law-based world.
mummymovie says
The “Devils’ Islands”, Gitmos, and so forth are a must in the “War on Terror (a word now banned by the BBC)”, because what government anywhere will want these to take in these reprehensible excuses for human beings after they are stripped of citizenship? Not even Pakistan would want them, really.
I think Hawaii would be a perfect place to start with the Devils’ Island approach: Oprah’s mansion, Bette Midler’s place, Maisie Hirono or the activist Federal Judges’ no doubt plush pads, and especially B. Hussein O’s winter home would be perfect for the high-security detainment centers.
How about this push from the cultural Marxist left to grant rights afforded citizens to non-citizens? (“It’s part and parcel of the rest of the immigration policy which is just to demonize people from other countries,” said Joshua Dratel) We are constantly reminded from the open-borders left that third world migrants and non-citizens have a right to be in Western countries, and should be treated with the same luxuries and priveleges afforded citizens of them.
And finally, what punishments are among the spectrum of punishments for those convicted of the crime of Treason, and why is no one tried on grounds of it, or convicted of it anymore?
Certainly Treason charges seem to apply in this case, as in John Lindh’s case.
What gives?
mortimer says
No, put an American Devil’s Island in Alaska, not Hawaii.
mummymovie says
And prison recruitment needs to be put to an end very soon, by all means! It is an enormous problem that is negating and rendering counterproductive much of the basic function of the prison system; and this is the case, I would imagine, pretty much everywhere.
Paul N Silas says
Why not just take them half way across the Atlantic and let them swim the rest of the way home. No girlie man snarky comments please about how this might upset the Communists in our country.
eduardo odraude says
We are trying to cut back on ocean pollution, not increase it.
Simon says
Good to see you back! Hope you’re well.
ooicu812 says
Good deal. Strip everyone of them of citizenship and boot their behinds back to their origins. Put these non profit jihadi organizations on a terrorist list and include anyone affiliated with them on the boat back to the middle east.
Halal Bacon says
and ban them from reentry
owensgate says
Yeah, THAT will keep them out! 🙂
Debi Brand says
“Faris pledged allegiance to the United States of America, but in reality, he was a citizen of the global umma. Islam in all its forms teaches that one’s identity as a Muslim is paramount, superseding all other allegiances, including nationality.”
Indeed.
Thus, if “ [the ‘believer’] he/she pledges ‘allegiance to the Flag [Representative …] of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all’; should liberties and/or ‘justice’ allowed in the U.S. be at odds with that in ‘Allah’s Book,’ this Muslim-rendered oath of allegiance will be meaningless. Farcical from stem to stern.
“A flagrant mockery of the United States of America. A flagrant mockery ‘to the Republic for which it stands.’
“Because, as …. substantiated in numerous places in Qur’an and Sunnah, as long as the U.S. remains non-Islamic, if a citizen of the Muslim nation in sincerity pledged the words in our pledge of allegiance to our flag and nation, then, that sincere pledge would make that citizen an apostate, a traitor to the Islamic state.”
(http://www.debibrand.org/chapter-three-the-islam-of-the-inhabitants-of-al-medeenah/)
eduardo odraude says
“It’s part and parcel of the rest of the immigration policy which is just to demonize people from other countries,” said Joshua Dratel, a Manhattan defense attorney. “It’s an aggressive move.”
Joshua, you are incredibly insulting to all the people who come to the US and lead peaceful crime-free lives. How can you possibly put them in the same category with a man who planned to bring down the Brooklyn Bridge and no doubt kill thousands of people? Oh, I know why. Because you hate Trump. That explains your abysmally stupid remark, which shows you willing to bend every truth to serve your derangement syndrome.
eduardo odraude says
Oh, and God forbid there should be an “aggressive move” on a man making war on the US! That would be xenophobic of us! If we were “sophisticated” and “open to the Other” after the fashion of the Manhattan defense attorney Joshua Dratel, we would welcome this would-be mass murdering terrorist.
WPM says
Ask Joshua Dratel does he lock his apartment door where he lives. Does he expect his door man to keep nonresidents from hang out inside the lobby. Would he like to defend the right of criminals and terrorist to occupy the apartments on his floor of his building and carry out there acts of terror on him and other tenants? This terrorist became a citizen under false pretense(he lied swearing his oath to this country) so he could try to do mass murder and terrorism .
Big Poppa says
Great idea Trump. Kick their asses out of here. They don’t deserve this country.
J D.S says
Anyone who is in any way a citizen of and swears his elegance to the U.S. and turns away or back to former ways or follows an enemy of the U.S . should, without a doubt loose their citizenship and be booted out of the U.S ..THERE SHOULD BE NO QUESTION OF THIS…NO DOUBT…NO DEBATE.
Barb says
“The Supreme Court has said there’s no excommunication when it comes to citizenship,” said Case Western Reserve University law professor Andra Robertson.”
Citizenship relies on people being Loyal to their country!
Joining radical Islamic terrorist groups is not demonstrating true loyalty!
Bravo to President Trump and his Government!
Citizenship should be withdrawn the moment the person is found guilty!
If you are a member of a sporting group – you can be expelled for conduct, attitude etc It should be no different for Citizenship!
Those who choose Islam over the country they have come to should have their citizenship revoked!
James Lincoln says
A VERY good idea from President Trump officials.
KWJ says
This Joshua Manhattan lawyer thinks stripping a jihadist who plotted to blow up the Brooklyn Bridge of his citizenship is because of demonizing people from other countries and an aggressive move.
It has nothing to do with immigration policy which also isn’t about demonizing people from other countries, especially because we have so many citizens from other countries. Is Joshua’s head so far up his butt that he doesn’t get that he was part of a terrorist organization that seeks to harm Americans, Western people in general and unbelievers?
It’s a bit different than naturalized citizen who robs a store. We have enough problems…why should violent people not born here keep the privilege of being admitted here? Joshua probably hates Trump so much that he’s on auto-reject of anything Trump does even for a terrorist. He should take a walk over the Brooklyn Bridge and consider that demonizing terrorists is appropriate.
De-radicalization programs haven’t worked that well. They would have to be deprogrammed from Islam because the Qur’an and mosques can be a constant incitement.
gravenimage says
Trump officials pushing to strip convicted jihad terrorists of citizenship
…………………….
*Good*–I’m glad to hear this.
Ren says
Strip citizenship and deport.
Ravi says
It is amazing, so many ex-Nazis living in US were stripped of their citizenship and deported to Israel to face prosecution. But is Al-Qaeda/ISIS any better than Nazis? I’d say strip them their citizenship and deport them to most Anti-Muslim state on the planet, how about China for reeducation? These Islamic slime balls, eff them.
MrLogical says
“There’s [sic] only two ways to lose your citizenship: one is when a person voluntarily gives it up, and two is when there’s some fraud or illegality in its procurement…”
That’s true, which means that Rep. Ilhan Omar should lose her citizenship inasmuch as she lied on her entry to the country and her application for citizenship by claiming she was ‘married’ to her brother, Ahmed Hirsi.
Why aren’t t the State Department and INS moving to have her stripped of her citizenship and sent back to Somalia?
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Terra Nova says
Oh America and Western Europe, Every day you put more vipers to your bosom, the plan for the NWO is working perfect together with the muslims, from 1948 on, don’t forget, they had time to plan everything
and every time it gets to hot under their feet, they perform a “small” distraction somewhere and you fall for this? The end of the so called “civilised world”.who was “never civilised” at all, just ran after the money, and always wanted to conquer richer countries.Nothing ever changed, they only put everything in a more secret,
elitair way. You can NOT TRUST ISLAM AT ALL. Never !!!
Krishna says
Welcome back Robert Spencer I’m glad you’re back i lost interest in jihad watch because you’re gone now you’re back so I’m going to start reading your articles again
gravenimage says
I am *so* glad that Robert is back, Krishna–but Christine and Marc and the other contributors to Jihad Watch did a fine job of keeping Jihad Watch running in his absence–still important stuff.
Richard Courtemanche says
Still much too hard to get rid of these vermin.
MJP says
Kick him out there is enough of this trash here already including 2 in the Congress.
Linde Barrera says
So glad you are posting again, Mr. Spencer. And it is also fabulous that your team does such an outstanding job. Praying for all of you. I am a freak for “free speech forever.”
And this creep Faris should be deported to Pakistan, as he does not love the US, no way, no how.
Ginger Snap says
Definitely take their citizenship away! We should not pay for their incarceration. Let their other country pay for it and pay they will! Which brings to mind, there are two Muslim ladies in the senate. They can not have allegiance to the U.S., so therefore they should not be in Congress!
timgibson2330 says
The big picture is- When the next President comes to power- we’ll still have in place All the refugee programs that are here today. It’s only the difference in the spigot turned down or all the way up. For whatever reason our politicians aren’t protecting us from moslems.
MrLogical says
Time to get out of the U.N. and stop participating with their UNHCR ‘refugee resettlement’ program.
It’s just a NWO/Globalist plan to invade and subjugate the West by diluting their populations with a ‘religion practiced by inbred, hate-filled sub-humans.
Wise up, America – just say,
“No thanks. We’re fine just the way we are.”