“This bill will ensure that law enforcement agencies can effectively manage these returns in a way that will reduce the threat to the Australian community,” said Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton.
Maybe. But does Dutton really think that jihadis will discard their jihadist views if they have to wait two years? Will the Australian government deal with these returnees realistically, with a comprehensive understanding of their motivating ideology, or take refuge once again in soothing delusions and platitudes that ultimately will expose Australian citizens to immense danger?
“Australia moves to delay return of extremists including Islamic State supporters for 2 years,” Associated Press, July 4, 2019:
Australia’s government on Thursday proposed new laws that would prevent extremists from returning home for up to two years, as the country prepares for the repatriation of Islamic State supporters from the Middle East.
Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton introduced the legislation based on British law as part of a raft of counterterrorism and asylum seeker bills in the first parliamentary session since elections in May.
The law would give Dutton the power to prevent suspected Australian extremists from returning home for up to two years while law enforcement authorities made plans to manage the risk posed. The orders could also apply to Australians who intelligence agencies assess to be a “risk to security for reasons related to politically motivated violence.”
Dutton said 230 Australians had flown to Syria and Iraq to fight with extremist groups since 2012.
“Around 80 are still active in conflict zones. The advice of Australia’s national security agencies is that many Australians of counterterrorism concern who have travelled to Iraq and Syria to engage in that conflict are likely to seek to return to Australia in the very near future,” Dutton told parliament.
“This bill will ensure that law enforcement agencies can effectively manage these returns in a way that will reduce the threat to the Australian community,” he added.
The order could not be applied to an Australian under 14 years old. When considering making an order against children aged 15 to 17, the minister must make the child’s interests his primary consideration….
CRUSADER says
Muslims in Australia need to perform WALKABOUT
and come to terms with what their ideology has done to the world.
Realize that Islam is not the answer, but the problem.
Free your minds, M-Oz-lims!
No Fear says
Good on ya Dutto.
somehistory says
In two years, if still alive, they will still be molsims intent on committing acts of terror in the push to establish islam, which is open worship of satan, as the only worship on planet earth.
Their cohorts and henchmen in Australia are committing acts of terror, and planning future acts of terror.
Guy Forester says
This caught my eye: “manage these returns.”
So, what are we talking about here, a pair of cheap Chinese shoes that fall apart the first time you actually wear them to work? Or some bread that was already moldy when you opened the package? “Hi, I want to return these overpriced, cheap, crappy Chinese import shoes I bought here yesterday.” “Sure sir, would you like a refund or to take a chance on another pair of worthless crap, since that is all we stock and we sent all of our shoe factories to 3rd world hell holes?”
Sure, let us all bring back all these self appointed warriors, their sex-slave or equally demented “spouses”, and their already brainwashed progeny back home. I wonder what could go wrong with this?
If I am stupid enough to join a gang, carry a gun, knock over a bank, and someone gets killed, then under normal circumstances, even if I did not intend to shoot anyone (but did, and that person died), I would expect to spend a long time or maybe the rest of my life in prison. Actions have consequences.
But now back to reality, I guess. If you belong to certain selected and idealize oppressed groups, you can literally get away with murder.
PRCS says
The notion that strict compliance with Qur’an and sunna constitutes ‘extremism’ reflects either (a) an ignorance of Islam or (b) intentional misinformation directed at those in group (a).
That news organizations–and more importantly–governmental agencies tasked with protecting the public still use that ambiguous term is beyond troubling.
Aussie Infidel says
“The orders could also apply to Australians who intelligence agencies assess to be a “risk to security for reasons related to politically motivated violence.”
What makes Dutton think that these jihadis will ever be anything but a risk to our security? So far, every attempt at de-radicalisation has failed miserably. The ‘authorities’ are dealing with deeply devout Muslims who have been indoctrinated since birth with the most supremacist, and violent theocratic ideology ever invented.
No matter how “effectively” these reprobates are “managed”, if they are allowed back here, they will simply increase the number of Muslims in the country, and continue being a risk to Australia. We need fewer Muslims, not more.
“230 Australians had flown to Syria and Iraq to fight with extremist groups since 2012.”
That’s 230 potential jihadists Australia does not need – and whose passports should be cancelled immediately. They have earned the title ‘Persona non grata!’ Let them rot in the ‘shithole countries’ they chose to fight for.
Dutton said, “The child’s interests must be his primary consideration.”
What about the interests of the nation?
tim gallagher says
I’m not sure about the ins and outs of stripping citizens of any country (in this case Australia) of their citizenship and leaving them stateless, but it has been discussed quite a bit of talkback radio out here in Australia in recent months, because of these ISIS fighters who want to return to Australia. I suspect that the majority of Australians don’t want them back here, although maybe returning the young children might be supported by the majority (I don’t support letting any of them back). This measure being talked about in this report, of delaying the return of ISIS supporters, seems to be a way for the government to seem to be at least a bit tougher. It’s a tactic done for show, to seem a bit tough. It seems like a bit of PR. I suspect that Peter Dutton would want to stop any of these ISIS supporters returning. He is a good, tough person, ( and courageous – he cops lots of criticism and is strong enough to not seem to give a damn about it) but no doubt has to fall into line with the wimpier members of the government. He’s not the boss.
keith says
Now, someone correct me if I’m wrong on this.
But from everything I was taught when I was in the army. Anyone who leaves Australia and fights for pay for a foreign power is classed as a mercenary, and as such loses all rights as an Australian citizen.
So, what the hell is anyone doing trying to allow these individuals back into our country at anytime?
Black, white or brindle, doesn’t matter who you are. you take up arms for a terrorist group you are no longer a member of society.
Angemon says
Two years? That’s just kicking the can down the road…
Peter WF says
Does it grow the economy if we need more anti terror facilities in the country?
Marigold says
They should be banned from coming back into Australia for life -full stop.
dumbledoresarmy says
Every Aussie here who – like me – has reached the conclusion that Mohammedan mobsters of this sort should NOT be permitted back into Australia… EVER… needs to write to the PM, Defence Minister, Immigration Minister and Foreign Minister, and say just that. And make sure that you include the statement – “Got Muslims? Got Jihad” (or words to that effect).
And for good measure, *demand* that for the saving of expenses associated with all that anxious ‘monitoring’ of ticking time-bombs, the best method is prevention, not cure, and “when in hole, stop digging”, i.e. STOP ALL further entry of ANY identifiable Muslims into Australia!
We have to STOP playing ‘Muslim roulette’.. Because we have NO way of telling *which* card-carrying Muslim – or their kid, or grandkid – will flip into jihad mode, sooner or later, and engage in messy mass-murder of hated Infidel Aussies, we have to keep them ALL out.
We have to stop pandering to those already present; enforce our laws fearlessly and rigorously (laws that forbid things like FGM, polygyny, forced ‘marriage’, child ‘marriage’, wife-beating, ‘honor’ murder); pursue those who are engaged in all manner of organised-crime, and those engaged in massive welfare fraud.
Further, we can reduce the numbers – and therefore the perceived and actual power – of those already in our midst; we can refuse to renew the visas of those who are not citizens, and require them to depart; we can sentence Aussie-passport-holding jihadis to life-long exile, and expel them, or strip them of citizenship, and expel them.
Because *every* able-bodied Muslim is, potentially, a jihad plotter, or inciter, or camp-follower/ enabler/ financier/ human-shield. The pretty girl in hijab, batting her eyelashes and smiling winningly, is running interference, causing confusion; she is playing goodcop to the bearded jihadi knife-wielder’s or bomb-exploder’s badcop. The mohammedan mob, the ummah, is the sheltering,nurturing sea within which the jihadis and the sharia assassins (such as those who murdered Theo Van Gogh, and the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists) swim, and from which, ceaselessly and naturally- like sugar or salt crystals forming in a saturated solution – they emerge.
Aussie Infidel says
Well said DDA, It would be a pretty safe bet that their kids or grand-kids would be radicalised at their mosques or madrassas back here in Australia by militant imams and mullahs – none of whom have any love for Australia or our way of life. Every single imam or mullah I’ve met (with the possible exception of Tawhidi), is a promoter of jihad.
I spoke to Dutton about a year ago about Muslim immigration, and he said that he “would not discriminate against them on the grounds of religion; and that everyone is entitled to a fair go.” Under normal circumstances I’d agree. Even though I’m an atheist; I believe that people should be allowed to worship whatever they like, provided it is not harming others.
However, Islam is not just a religion, but a violent, supremacist, theocratic ideology, which is more political than religious; and does great harm to others. But like most other politicians, I don’t think Dutton understands just how insidious Islam is and the dangers it poses to democratic societies.
Because of these issues, Islam must be designated a threat to our national security, and Muslim immigration must be stopped immediately.
eduardo odraude says
Agreed. Islam is surely the most insidious totalitarian movement of modern times, far more insidious than communism or Nazism were. Those in the West who are fully awake have witnessed how terrifyingly insidious Islam is. More than half the non-Muslim population remains more or less asleep to what is going on. It is a testimony to Islam’s insidiiousness that even with people like Anjem Choudary publicly educating and motivating jihadists, huge numbers of people remain asleep to Islam because, after all, Choudary and his like are just “hijacking” the faith according to tons of “moderate” Muslims. The Qur’an itself is organized so as to be quite difficult to penetrate except for experts. For example, as you know, the Qur’an’s chapters are not in chronological order, but for the most part in order of length: the longer the chapter, the closer it is to the front of the book. That hugely obscures the content. Even with the chapters placed in the clerics’ chronological order, the meaning is not easy to master. Add to this that Islam and Muhammad in the core texts (Qur’an, Hadith, Sira) does not permit free speech or freedom of religion and permits deceit against non-Muslims and incorporates a great deal of tactical and strategic flexibility whereby a Muslim can deny or compromise the dogma if the Muslim is in a weak position. The result is an incredibly insidious penetration through a cooperation of 1) violent fanatics with 2) fanatics promiscuously issuing death threats with 3) pseudo-moderates with 4) Muslims actually ignorant of their own teachings.
eduardo odraude says
Yes, well said, DDA. I would only add that jihad’s purpose is to use terror to weaken the will to resist Islamic immigration and the Islamic ethos. The more Muslims have citizenship and thus political power, the more erosion there will be of civil and political rights Westerners take for granted. Non-Muslims will feel increasingly intimidated about criticizing Islamic immigration and Islam itself. The fact that Islam is the main thing one is not permitted to criticize publicly in today’s “free” societies shows that Islamic supremacism is taking incipient hold. Muslim leaders and jihadis use terror to leverage ever increasing social dominance. Even though many Muslims are relatively innocent or even quite ignorant of Islam and Muhammad’s profoundly totalitarian goals, Muslim leadership always supports that totalitarianism (sotto voce when Muslims are in the minority, just as Muhammad was usually publicly tolerant in his early weak days in Mecca), and the “moderate” Muslims don’t resist the totalitarian leadership because the core texts of Islam (Qur’an, Hadith, Sira) support the leadership’s totalitarian interpretation. Setting up a “moderate” Islam is thus a futile exercise that can only go on to some extent where Muslims are still in the minority. That is why you don’t see anywhere a significant anti-totalitarian Muslim movement. The so-called moderates really only have two realistic choices: Keep quiet and submit to Islamic totalitarianism, or become an apostate. The far, far easier path — and who among us has not often followed the easier path in life — is to go along to get along.
eduardo odraude says
Sane people hate political correctness. But if you hate that, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet. Islamic political correctness is a whole new level of PC. Islamic PC doesn’t just slander non-conformists. It kills, tortures, and jails them, often by mob action if Islamic law is not formally established. See for a notorious example Pakistan.
eduardo odraude says
A qualification to my comment above: there are actually three kinds of PC in the US.
1. A relatively benign kind, which is nothing more than a bit of politeness and compassion. This form of PC does not utilize fear to impose itself. It is far more voluntary than the two forms of PC below:
2. A malignant leftist kind of PC, which is based on fear, seeks to censor speech and thought, to destroy reputations, and to kill the ability of non-leftists to make a living.
3. The worst kind of PC, the Islamic kind, which is backed by terror, violence, and crowds of death threats (ask anyone who publicly criticizes Islam), and which hijacks the malignant leftist kind of PC to create an even more malignant form of PC having the goal of Islamic totalitarianism.
tim gallagher says
I was thinking that I’d write to Peter Dutton on this issue, dumbledoresarmy, especially after I heard him say on the TV news that 200 police had worked on the case in this report. I was going to point out the gigantic expense involved in trying to check up on these Muslim maggots and stop them trying to kill us. But I have written to various members of our Australian governments (well, not the Labor fools, but the Liberals) right back to when John Howard was Prime Minister and, lately, I just can’t be bothered calling on these fools to ban Muslim migration. They never seem to wake up. Aussie Infidel, I’m disappointed that Peter Dutton said that they won’t discriminate of grounds of religion, etc. I received a reply exactly like that way back in 2001 from a bureaucrat in either Howard or Ruddock’s office. It was that exact wording. I consider Dutton to be the toughest person we have in parliament ( maybe Hastie and Bernardi might be almost as tough) so I think it is terrible that even he thinks he has to speak in such a politically correct way. It’s pathetic. I don’t believe that Dutton would really think that way. I wish we had leaders like those in Hungary, Poland, the Czech republic and Slovakia. They have the right attitude to Islam and Muslim migration. I agree with the points you make, Eduardo.
carl ball (@cane3593582) says
These people you keep voting for cares more about the people you face while they live behind walls so they do not have to fear them! Great country for sciba diving but you get what you vote for, so it’s just a visit for me and others!