“Warren supports anti-Israel group call to pressure Israel ‘to end the occupation,’” JNS, July 9, 2019:
Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), who is running for president in 2020, responded on July 8 to the anti-Israel group IfNotNow calling on her to pressure “the Israeli government to end occupation,” which that group has defined as “stealing Palestinian land.”
Two IfNotNow activists approached Warren, who was campaigning in New Hampshire, with one of them, University of Michigan student Becca Lubow, telling her, “We really love the way you’re fighting corruption. We’d really love it if you also pushed the Israeli government to end occupation.”
“Yes, yes. So I’m there,” responded Warren swiftly, followed by taking a picture with the activists.
“Our members in New Hampshire just asked @ewarren if she would commit to pressuring the Israel to stop their 52 year military Occupation over the Palestinian people,” tweeted IfNotNow. “She said YES.”
“In the past, Warren has regularly spoken of Israel as a strong ally in a tough neighborhood and has appeared at [American Israel Public Affairs Committee] events and used right-wing talking points,” continued the press release. “But as her career has gone on, her views on the issue have grown to be farther in line with her progressive values,” citing the senator’s support for the 2015 Iran deal and criticizing the US embassy in Israel moving to Jerusalem as examples.
Many consider all of Israel to be occupied, while Israel’s defenders note that the West Bank is disputed territory, and that the Palestinian areas are under the authority of the Palestinian Authority, known for corruption.
No doubt these anti-Israel activists were delighted to have Senator Warren reply to their request that she would “push the Israeli government to end occupation” with an ill-considered “Yes, yes. So I’m there.” She’s with them, apparently, all the way, and doesn’t need any further convincing. But what does she know about this soi-disant “occupation” by Israel of land to which it has, many believe, such a strong claim?
What is this “occupation” by the Israelis that must be ended? Let’s start with Gaza. There is no Israeli presence in Gaza; every single Israeli left Gaza in 2005. There is no occupation. And the Gazan Arabs have for nearly 15 years been subject to those lords of misrule in Hamas, two of whose top officials — Mousa Abu Marzouk and Khaled Meshal — have each managed to appropriate the colossal sums of 2.5 billion dollars, stolen from the foreign aid meant for the people of Gaza. Would Senator Warren agree that Gaza is not “occupied” by the Israelis? And would she care to comment on how, under Hamas, people in Gaza have fared since Israel pulled out?
Now let us examine the status of the West Bank, that is, the territory that had been part of the Mandate for Palestine from 1922 until 1948, when the British withdrew and the Mandate ended. During the 1948-49 war, that territory was seized by the Jordanians, who held it from 1948 to 1967, when Israel came into possession of that territory through its victory in the Six-Day War. From her latest comments, Senator Warren apparently thinks that the West Bank (or, to use the toponyms that had been in use in the Christian world since the time of Jesus, “Judea and Samaria”) is “occupied” territory. Certainly the U.N., in its many anti-Israel resolutions, likes to refer to Israel’s “occupied territories.” But are they “occupied”?
The word “occupied” is ordinarily applied when, following a war, the victor retains temporary possession of territory to which it has no other claim except that of military occupant. That occupation is to ensure the enactment of military, political, economic and social reforms, after which the military occupier will return the territory to its original owners. A few examples will help. After World War II, American troops were stationed in what, from 1945 to 1952, was called Occupied Japan. The only American claim was as a military occupant; there was no intention to hold onto Japanese territory. By 1952, after widespread reforms had been accomplished, the U.S. occupying forces, led by General Douglas MacArthur, withdrew.
Occupied Germany was a bit more complicated, because there were four military occupiers: the U.S., the U.K., France, and the Soviet Union, each of which was assigned its own zone, where different political, economic, and social reforms, including denazification, were instituted. The city of Berlin, deep in the Russian zone, was subject to a quadripartite occupation. The three western zones were merged to form the Federal Republic of Germany in May 1949, and the Soviets followed suit in October 1949 with the establishment of the German Democratic Republic (GDR). However, troops of the occupying powers remained for some years, even after the two Germanies were established. But political power had been returned to the Germans. The “occupying powers” had completed their missions of reforming German politics and society, especially the process of denazification, and there was never any intention to remain, as “occupying powers,” in possession of formerly German territory.
The “West Bank” is very different. Israel may have come into possession of it through force of arms, but its claim to the territory is very different from that of a military occupier. The West Bank formed part of the territory originally assigned to the Mandate for Palestine in 1922. That Mandate f was one of a series of mandates established by the League of Nations to deal with territories and peoples that were formerly part of the Ottoman Empire, by assigning a Western power as the mandatory authority responsible for fulfilling certain tasks in a given territory, introducing political reforms, with the ultimate goal of guiding the local population to statehood.
There were several mandates for the Arabs. The Mandate in Iraq, held by Great Britain, was established in 1921, and ended with the British withdrawal in 1932. The Mandate for Syria and Lebanon was held by the French from 1923 until 1946, when both Syria and Lebanon became independent and the French withdrew.
The Mandate for Palestine, held by Great Britain, was created in order to further the establishment of the Jewish National Home. That was its only purpose, its reason for being. Originally the territory assigned to the Mandate included land east of the Jordan River. But the British decided, for reasons of realpolitik, to create an Arab entity, the Emirate of Transjordan, out of the territory east of the Jordan, in order to provide the consolation prize of an emirate to Abdullah, the Hashemite brother of Feisal, whom the British had placed on the throne of Iraq. By ending Jewish immigration into the territory east of the Jordan, the British effectively decreased the land open to Jewish settlement (and ultimate statehood) by 78%. There was nothing the Zionists could do about this betrayal by the British of the promises made in the Mandate as originally conceived, though there were those, under the leadership of Vladiimir Jabotinsky, who furiously protested.
In the territory west of the Jordan, however, the Mandate for Palestine’s provisions clearly applied. Has Professor Warren ever studied the Mandate for Palestine? One has reason to doubt. The most important part of the Mandate document was the preamble:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.
The declaration of November 2, 1917, which is referred to in the preamble, is the Balfour Declaration, which declared British support for the establishment of the Jewish National Home.
Note the phrase, too, about how “nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine.” The drafters quite deliberately left out any mention of “political rights” because, of course, a Jewish National Home, leading to the establishment of a Jewish state, would necessarily impinge on the political rights of local Arabs.
Article 4 of the Mandate makes clear that it is to lead to the creation of a single Jewish National Home, and not to the creation of two states, Jewish and Arab, in the territory west of the Jordan that was ultimately assigned to the Mandate.
An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.
The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty’s Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.
Article 6 of the Mandate calls on the mandatory authority to “facilitate Jewish immigration” and “encourage…close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands”:
The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.
So what, in international law, is the West Bank? It was always part of the territory assigned to the Mandate for Palestine. Thus it was intended by the Mandates Commission (headed by the Swiss law professor William Rappard, who was distressed when the British ended Jewish immigration in eastern Palestine) to form part of the Jewish National Home. Had the Jews managed to hold onto the West Bank in the 1948-49 war, it would have become, as the Mandate always intended, part of Israel. When the Jordanian army seized and held territory west of the Jordan in the 1948-49 war, Jordan emulated the Romans, who had renamed “Judea” as “Syria Palaestina” or “Palestine” to efface the Jewish connection to the land. The Jordanians renamed the parts of Judea and Samaria it now controlled as “the West Bank.”
But it was Jordan that was the illegal “occupier” of the West Bank from 1948 to 1967. The Jordanians had no legal claim to the ‘West Bank”; their only claim was as military occupier. With Israel, the juridical situation was quite different. Israel’s claim to that territory was based on the Mandate for Palestine itself, which always included that territory. But, someone might object, hadn’t the Mandates system expired when the League of Nations, which had created the system of mandates, ceased to operate in 1946 and was replaced by the United Nations? No, because by its own charter, the United Nations recognized the continued relevance of the Mandates system. International law, the UN Charter, and specifically Article 80 of the UN Charter implicitly recognize the “Mandate for Palestine” of the League of Nations. This Mandate granted Jews the irrevocable right to settle in the area of Palestine, anywhere between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. Professor Eugene Rostow, then Dean of Yale Law School, has explained:
This right [of settlement] is protected by Article 80 of the United Nations Charter. The Mandates of the League of Nations have a special status in international law, considered to be trusts, indeed ‘sacred trusts.’
Under international law, neither Jordan nor the Palestinian Arab ‘people’ of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip have a substantial claim to the sovereign possession of the occupied territories.
To sum up: the Jewish claim to the “West Bank” is based clearly on the Palestine Mandate of the League of Nations, which gave Jews the right to settle anywhere between the Jordan and the Mediterranean. That right was not extinguished when the League of Nations came to an end. Article 80 of the U.N. Charter recognized the continuing relevance of the Mandate’s provisions. That land always formed part of the territory assigned to the Jewish National Home.
The only “occupying” power in the West Bank has been Jordan itself, from 1948 to 1967. It had no legal claim to territory that was intended for the Jewish National Home. When Israel won back the West Bank by force of arms, this did not establish its legal claim — that Israeli claim already existed. What Israel’s victory, and possession of the West Bank, did do, is allow the Israelis to exercise their pre-existing legal claim to the West Bank. Some Israelis think that even though Israel has a perfect right to retain, by the Mandate and Article 80 of the U.N. Charter, the entire West Bank, it might wish to yield some parts to the Arabs, perhaps in an area that would be permanently demilitarized, if such a sacrifice could lead to a lasting peace. Others, who have studied Islam and come to believe that the only way to ensure a lasting peace with a Muslim enemy is through deterrence, insist that Israel has to hold onto the entire West Bank for its own survival. In any case, it is up to Israel alone to decide what are the conditions required for its own security.
What cannot be accepted, what does violence to the legal status of the West Bank, is the claim that Israel is an “occupier” of the very territory that the League of Nations’ Mandates Commission assigned to a future Jewish state.
There is an entirely separate claim to the West Bank, one not based on the Mandate, that Israel might also invoke: that is the right of a victim of aggression to hold onto territory from which that aggression was launched, and which it wins in a war of self-defense. The reason for such a rule is that if a defeated aggressor did not have to forfeit territory, there would be few constraints on such aggression. In June 1967 Jordan, in concert with Egypt and Syria, attacked Israel. The Israelis won on all fronts. Jordan lost the West Bank, the territory from which it had attacked Israel. When the U.N. finally passed Resolution 242 in November 1967, which set out the terms for any territorial adjustments, it was made clear by the main drafter of the resolution, the British Ambassador to the U.N. Lord Caradon, that Israel would not be required to withdraw to the pre-1967 borders (that is, the 1949 armistice lines), but was entitled to “secure and defensible borders.” Lord Caradon said: “I know the 1967 border very well. It is not a satisfactory border, it is where troops had to stop in 1947, just where they happened to be that night, that is not a permanent boundary… ” A good case can be made that Israel must continue to control the entire West Bank, which includes the heights of Judea and the historic invasion route from the east. And that case only reinforces the legal claim based on the express terms of the Mandate itself.
Elizabeth Warren was a professor of law for decades before entering politics. Even though bankruptcy law was her specialty, she certainly knows her way around statutes, and codes, and mandates, and conventions. She can refresh her knowledge of the League of Nations’ system of mandates, study the precise provisions of the Mandate for Palestine, and the continuing relevance of that Mandate in determining the legal status of the West Bank. She might read — it would daunt many, but not Elizabeth Warren — Professor Julius Stone’s definitive study of Israel’s legal claim to the West Bank, Israel and Palestine: An Assault on the Legal Order. She will discover that Israel is not an “occupier” of the West Bank in the legal sense, and that its claim to sovereignty over that territory is superior to that of any other claimant. She would then be prepared, the next time that anti-Israel activists let her know that “We’d really love it if you also pushed the Israeli government to end occupation,” to reply not with that enthusiastic “Yes, yes. So I’m there,” but with a sober “It’s a complicated business, but I must say, now that I’ve had a chance to study the matter, that Israel has a very strong legal claim to the West Bank, and talk of ‘occupation’ is simply wrong.”
Mac-101 says
So are the Democrats still gitin over 50% of their donations from Jews?
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Why are the worlds smartest people financing their own destruction?
Herschel Ben Avraham says
Generally speaking, Jews have an average IQ score which is approx. 15 points higher than other ethnic groups(except probably the Chinese).
However, as the saying goes, “when you meet a stupid Jew, boy! is he stupid.” I guess a whole bunch of “boy! is he stupid” are on the Democrats side – they are called Jews for Holocaust ll.
marc says
not quite accurate, seems it’s ashkenazic specifically (disclaimer I’m 50/50 sefardi/ashkenazi) and not 15% closer to 10
more from the non Jew here https://www.jordanbpeterson.com/psychology/on-the-so-called-jewish-question/
Who probably beats 99.9% of ashkenazi, it’s all about the tails.
eduardo odraude says
Yes, I gather Ashkenazi average about 115. That in itself is not as significant as the fact that it means that two standard deviations among the Ashkenazi are roughly equivalent to three standard deviations among the average population. In other words, the Ashkenazi produce a lot of geniuses compared to other populations, and that’s why Ashkenazi are over-represented among Nobel prize winners in the sciences, mathematics, medicine, economics. But I suppose the significance of IQ, how changeable it is over time, etc., is a much disputed question among researchers. Some argue that history and nurture play a much larger role than genetics. I think that is the more human way to look at it. Humans have infinite potential. Any other view to some extent diminishes what we are and tends to reduce us to purely physical beings, which leads in the end to barbarism, dictatorship, the end of individual freedom.
RonaldB says
For Eduardo.
Sorry. Science is not humane or non-humane. Science is objective fact. The facts show that intelligence is very important in human success, is very highly heritable, and is not susceptible to environmental enhancements. Also, science shows that different races have different intelligence levels, and that difference cannot be lessened through educational or environmental shenanigans. Humans do not have infinite potential. Different people have different strengths. A person with a low intelligence is never going to be a physicist, although they may be a successful plumber or carpenter. Which, if they manage their money right, is not such a bad deal.
eduardo odraude says
For now I think we’ll have to agree to disagree about what the objective “facts” are.
CRUSADER says
Oy Vey !
Kalama (“Call Allah” ) Harris, also a presidential “hopeful”
is being advised by a Qatari strategic influencer….
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/274242/qatar-supporter-advising-kamala-harris-daniel-greenfield
gravenimage says
Disturbing but not surprising, CRUSADER.
Here’s more disturbing stuff:
“Activists Pushing for Reform in Islam: Kamala Harris Silenced Us”
https://freebeacon.com/issues/activists-pushing-reform-islam-kamala-harris-silenced-us/
Mac-101 says
What really bothers me is what Jews are supporting Islam over Israel. As mentioned here numerous times the High Tech Suckerburg turns a blind eye to Jihadist and attacks any one anti-Jihadist and this is the general rule among high tech. The media has a large amount of Jews workin and ownin in it and they appear to be biased for Palestinians and against improving Israelis security. We ALL KNOW who owns a big chunk of Hollywood yet they too are anti-Israeli. Even the major BANKSTERS appear to be workin AGAINST Israel. Why is Soros welcomed in Israel? He should be extradited to Hungary or Russia for Israel’s security.
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Somethin goin on???
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These people got hundreds of millions if NOT billions. WHY? They can’t be Stupid!
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Are they all tools of Satan?
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No true humanitarian who supports an enlighten Western Culture can support the Islamification of the West!
CRUSADER says
You should read the following pamphlets from
David Horowitz Freedom Center:
“Jewish Enablers of the War Against Israel”
“Stolen History”
https://horowitzfreedomcenterstore.org/collections/pamplets
marc says
Mac-101 says
Jul 12, 2019 at 11:49 am
“Why is Soros welcomed in Israel”
total crap, he is absolutely hated in Israel https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-hungary-soros/israel-backs-hungary-says-financier-soros-is-a-threat-idUSKBN19V1J4
He has abandoned Judaism and Israel
You should have a little more respect for Israel, they have been on the front line with the savages for a lot longer than anyone else, and they have been doing a pretty good job of it.
Mac-101 says
Marc, I got a lot more respect for Israel than the Tech Giants, Hollywood Moguls, media and Banksters do. That is why I continue to fight this losing battle. One of the most exciting times of my long eventful life was sittin on the tarmac at Pope AF Base while in the 82nd with combat load waitin to deploy to the ME back in the 1973/4 to support Israel.
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You got da Gray Matter due to genetics. I’m just an ole Soldier/Farmer, please explain to me why the above are working AGAINST Israel?
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As for Israel hatin Soros. No doubt any rational Israel or for that fact Western Lovin person would. He is a domestic and international financial Terrorist who is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousand, if not a couple hundred thousand, people around the world due to his financed Revolutions. I thought I remembered an article sayin he returned from a trip to Israel a couple years ago but could not find it. A couple articles said he made several visits, but no dates. He is the most dangerous person to Israel’s survival since François Genoud died.
gravenimage says
Mac, most liberal Jews I know support Israel–but they also believe in fantasies like the “two state solution”.
CRUSADER says
François Genoud :
https://datacide-magazine.com/francois-genoud/
Genoud’s life remained action packed and his comittment to the Nazi cause never faltered.
He was believed by Swiss authorities to have been the founder of Lugano-based al Taqwa Bank, which was shut down in 2002 for reputed status as a funding conduit for al Qaeda and Hamas.
On May 30th, 1996 Genoud committed suicide, with the help of the Swiss pro-euthanasia group Exit, a short time after Jewish leaders and Swiss banking officials announced an unprecedented agreement to set up a commission to examine secret bank and government files to search for funds deposited in Switzerland by Holocaust victims.
To what degree this inquiry would have touched on his activities and transactions will remain unknown. A master of secrecy he managed to stay in the shadows.
Genoud had kept himself busy moving Nazi money into safe Swiss accounts and also helping Nazis escape to the Middle East or South America.
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Yasser Arafat was developing a “Chinese option” of guerilla warfare against Israel, a development that was seen with critical eyes by the Egyptians who saw their influence on Palestinian Nationalism vane, but who also understood that the guerilla option was not a promising one in a country like Israel where there were no remote areas for retreat as they existed in countries like Algeria or Vietnam.
Not surprisingly, François Genoud soon made contact with members of the new generation of exponents of Palestinian nationalism. The closest relation he struck was with the supposedly “left wing” PFLP (Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine), becoming a good friend of Waddi Haddad, one of its historic leaders.
Palestinian nationalism started having a great attraction towards young Europeans who projected their respective ideas of the “people’s war” onto it. Among the first who were trained by the PFLP in their guerilla camps in Jordan were Andreas Baader and Ulrike Meinhof, the founders of the Red Army Faction. The first European casualty was the neo-Nazi Roger Coudray who died as a member of Fatah.
Neither the PFLP nor Fatah had problems associating with old and new Nazis, or members of the “New Left” at the same time. Fatah sent two observers to a congress of an ultra-racist organisation called the New European Order, headed by the notorious Swiss Nazi and holocaust denier Gaston-Armand Amaudruz. This of course was in the same year – 1969 – that the German SDS (left wing student organisation) sent a delegation to the PLO congress to Algier to express their comittment to the “Endsieg” of the Palestinians against Israel. One of the German delegates was Josef (“Joschka”) Fischer, who would later become German Foreign minister (and as one could argue, kept up his support for armed nationalist rackets by intervening on the side of the “Kosovo Liberation Army” in Yugoslavia in the late 90’s).
Mac-101 says
Gravin, As a ole soldier and farmer I do not know many Jewish people other than a few doctors. I read constantly how they are workin to destroy Western Civilization and weaken Israel. How are so many of the worlds smartest people so STUPID?
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When THEY succeed it will be UGLY for ALL who survive!
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Crusader, Genoud supposedly was in advanced stages of cancer and was in a lot of pain prior to his suicide. Where was the Mossad 20 years earlier? Odessa was REAL!
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When I was TDY in Germany back in 1986 in a Guesthous I had one ole NAZI Waffen SS Intel Officer tell that Genoud and Soros were two of the most Evil men in the world and Soros was his protégée. I had never heard of either of them before that. Events since then proved him right!
gravenimage says
Mac, I have known several Jewish Anti-Jihadists, but, sadly, many Jewish people are “politically correct” and have swallowed the whitewash on Islam–just as have many Gentiles.
I have never met any Jewish person who is trying to destroy Western Civilization–I think you may be reading a lot of antisemitic stuff. Most of those ranting about Jews working to destroy Western Civilization are pro-Nazi sites and things like “Real Jew News”, who call for a new Hitler.
Mac-1091 says
Gravin, Just READ the MSM news. Look no further than the three on the Supreme Court. They along with the other scumbags are murdering babies and fillin our country up with corruption. Their primary goal appears to remove G-d from ALL things and destroy the American family. I’ve been watchin this since the 1970s when the libs looked at disdain at Leave it to Beaver and My Three Sons! Who could possibly disapprove of these shows! Now half the babies in America are NOT born into a normal family.
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Just look at the Islamic enablist. They are overrepresented by Jewish surnames and They are the ones the Jihadist want to kill the most!
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Yes Gentiles such as the scumbag Bushes , McCain and many more are enabling the Jihadist also. Hollywood, the MSM and Judiciary, now the Agencies are well overrepresented by those attempting to destroy America.
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Look at Epstein. If he wasn’t runnin a CIA/Mossad operation to blackmail important people I sure can think of NO other reason than why he was able to operate for so many years,
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WHY? These people are way smarter than I. THEY know what they are doing. WHY?
marc says
“They are overrepresented by Jewish surnames”, yes and over represented on both sides, but they don’t tend to leverage their Jewishness on the right of centre, you really would feel more at home on the stormfront forums, if you keep bringing this jewish conspiracy crap here, you will be banned.
Yes Soros is one of the worst offenders, maybe the worst, his jewishness has nothing to do with it, where as my involvement with the counter jihad movement, very much does, now jog on.
Mac-101 says
I’m most likely gittin banned again. My response to u is awaiting moderation. Just start with the 3 Supreme Court Justices, then we can go on a LONG way.
Mac-101 says
Perhaps I’m not gitin banned. I typed in an extra digit on my user name: Let’s see if this posts:
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Gravin, Just READ the MSM news. Look no further than the three on the Supreme Court. They along with the other scumbags are murdering babies and fillin our country up with corruption. Their primary goal appears to remove G-d from ALL things and destroy the American family. I’ve been watchin this since the 1970s when the libs looked at disdain at Leave it to Beaver and My Three Sons! Who could possibly disapprove of these shows! Now half the babies in America are NOT born into a normal family.
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Just look at the Islamic enablist. They are overrepresented by Jewish surnames and They are the ones the Jihadist want to kill the most!
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Yes Gentiles such as the scumbag Bushes , McCain and many more are enabling the Jihadist also. Hollywood, the MSM and Judiciary, now the Agencies are well overrepresented by those attempting to destroy America.
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Look at Epstein. If he wasn’t runnin a CIA/Mossad operation to blackmail important people I sure can think of NO other reason than why he was able to operate for so many years,
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WHY? These people are way smarter than I. THEY know what they are doing. WHY?
Mac-101 says
Marc, your so much smarter than me. Why is it that these Jewish officials and billionaires, including the Goldman Sachs people are STILL financing the radical left of the Democrat Party according to the MSM? The very people who are workin at destroyin Israel, or at least compromising it’s security? You think the Supreme Court Justices decisions are good for the country and are Kosher under G-d laws?
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Unless the Libs git their act together and fight against ALL who wish to take our Liberty, especially under Sharia, we will definitely lose without the support of the Legal System, MSM, Hollywood and Big Tech, not to mention the Banksters.
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Your deflection of me to the Stormfront forms shows your inability to confront the basic facts . So your involvement in the anti-Jihad front has as much influence as the of the above? Nowhere did I ever say ALL. Just the major players! The important players. From this very site it is evident that with Tommy’s incarceration and the news form Canada that the Globalist will wrap this ALL up in no more than a couple more years.
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Enjoy the future! It don’t look Purdy to me!
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The Anti-Semitic flag is just as pathetic as the Islamophopic card!
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Look at the FACTS!
marc says
I am not ignoring, i’m just sick of defending the name of Judaism. I never thought i would need to do this on Jihadwatch. Jews are hi profile in many fields, you only seem to notice the ones in the enemies camp, and your getting a lot wrong there also, typical of the stuff i see on stormfront. And those who stand with you in that thinkings damage the counter jihad cause immensely.
Goldman Sachs are just a bank owned by shareholders, they loan and lend money to whoever needs banking services, the same as any other bank, they don’t check political allegiance, as they shouldn’t. Also I doubt they even really a jewish owned and run bank in any way, mostly they are owned by pension schemes that everyone pays into, and thats been the case for a very long time.
Soros is the only big player here that has active involvement which seems not just profit motivated, he really does seem to want to destroy the west at any cost. Personally i think the EU machine, russia and china are far bigger players in this game.
I am not smarter than most, if I was I’d have done something other than IT security as an analyst, which is my rather underpaid, high stress daytime job.
A major issue on the right is that we don’t on the right play well together, socialists have the advantage of that sort of leadership, management and discipline. Take “social network” developers as an example, nearly all leftists. I don’t have an answer for that, my developer skills suck.
gravenimage says
Mac, you seem to think that all dhimmis are Jews save for a tiny handful of Gentiles. This is just mistaken. There are large numbers of clueless Gentiles. And while some Jewish people are indeed quite intelligent, they aren’t some sort of super humans.
Moreover, it is quite possible to be intelligent yet ignorant of in denial on specific subjects. This is, in fact, true of many of my neighbors here in California.
Mac-101 says
Update by marc, Mac-101 is banned, his disingenuous responses and continual insistence on coming back to the jewish conspiracy are unwanted – this will be his last post
Gravin, you’ve seen and responded to my posts here for years. Marc not so much. I was a Catholic. Does that stop me from addressing the problems with the Catholic Church in matters of Faith and .their embrace of Islam? Definitely NOT. This Pope most likely is the “False Prophet” and leadin his flock straight to Hades and the End Times.
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Back to the Supreme Court. What can be MORE against Judeo Christian Values than killin babies as they pop out or even after as is legal in over a dozen US States now? What is more against G-ds laws than havin grown men who think they are women in your grand daughters shower room? Last I read the Supreme court had 3 Jewish members, 5 Catholic and one Protestant that went to Georgetown U or something like that. Almost ALL their decisions go against the founding beliefs of our country. Most support the removal of G-d from the public and the destruction of the family. Now the Courts are workin on Population Replacement of ALL Americans. Sellin out our Birthright for Votes as Esau sold his for a bowl of porridge. Our fate will be the same as Esau’s.
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Western Civilization does NOT have a chance until we attempt to analyze what is happening, why and who is the force behind it. This is the primary rule in planning any military operation. As a retired 42 year Veteran, 11 in Special Forces and 29 in Army Aviation and workin on OTW operations for four decades at the lowest operational level. I am even surprised at the depth of the DEEP State and THEIR operation to remove Trump.
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The Epstein matter is even more surprising since when it popped back up about 5 or 6 years ago I immediately thought it most likely was a CIA/Mossad Blackmail operation. Now with so much more info available it is extremely unlikely it is NOT. If the gubermint can pull this off with our eyes wide open you don’t think other things are done right before our eyes.
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So to combat this we must awaken the MAIN Players, especially those who have the most to lose. Hollywood, the Media, Judiciary, the MAJOR Bankster players, even Congress is well over represented by people of Jewish decent. This would NOT happen if they supported Good over Evil.
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For me to consider people Jewish I go beyond just heredity/DNA as most Jews do and believe they must have the Faith of their Forefathers also. Which of course many do NOT have.
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.There are many good Jewish commenters on the front line of the info wars to protect Western Civilization. In fact I do not make a habit of researching who be what, so many do not have obvious Jewish names, some do.
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I would gladly die and can think of few better deaths than to sacrifice my life for Israel. The only better one I can think of is to die for Refusing to renounce Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior or refusing to accept the Mark of the Beast. I sure am not afraid of bein called an Anti-Semite in battling this EVIL Satanic Plague of Islam which is about to consume the West.
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PS: Doesn’t Storm front support Islam?
gravenimage says
Mac-101 wrote:
Update by marc, Mac-101 is banned, his disingenuous responses and continual insistence on coming back to the jewish conspiracy are unwanted – this will be his last post
Gravin, you’ve seen and responded to my posts here for years. Marc not so much. I was a Catholic. Does that stop me from addressing the problems with the Catholic Church in matters of Faith and .their embrace of Islam? Definitely NOT. This Pope most likely is the “False Prophet” and leadin his flock straight to Hades and the End Times.
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I consider the current Pope to be a fairly standard dhimmi tool–the problem is that he is such a high profile fool. I very much doubt that he is any sort of anti-Christ.
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Back to the Supreme Court. What can be MORE against Judeo Christian Values than killin babies as they pop out or even after as is legal in over a dozen US States now? What is more against G-ds laws than havin grown men who think they are women in your grand daughters shower room? Last I read the Supreme court had 3 Jewish members, 5 Catholic and one Protestant that went to Georgetown U or something like that. Almost ALL their decisions go against the founding beliefs of our country.
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Right now, there are two Jewish Supreme Court justices–Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Elena Kegan.
Out of nine, they definitely make up a minority (this would be the case even if there were three, which there are not).
One the issue of abortion, the problem is more that Ginsburg and Kegan are left-leaning than that they are Jewish. There is nothing in Judaism that calls for abortion.
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Most support the removal of G-d from the public and the destruction of the family. Now the Courts are workin on Population Replacement of ALL Americans. Sellin out our Birthright for Votes as Esau sold his for a bowl of porridge. Our fate will be the same as Esau’s.
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Actually, right now the Supreme Court is fairly conservative.
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Western Civilization does NOT have a chance until we attempt to analyze what is happening, why and who is the force behind it. This is the primary rule in planning any military operation. As a retired 42 year Veteran, 11 in Special Forces and 29 in Army Aviation and workin on OTW operations for four decades at the lowest operational level. I am even surprised at the depth of the DEEP State and THEIR operation to remove Trump.
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I agree with you here. What I don’t agree with is the idea that the problem is the tiny and generally very civilized Jewish population.
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The Epstein matter is even more surprising since when it popped back up about 5 or 6 years ago I immediately thought it most likely was a CIA/Mossad Blackmail operation. Now with so much more info available it is extremely unlikely it is NOT. If the gubermint can pull this off with our eyes wide open you don’t think other things are done right before our eyes.
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Why would some creep abusing young girls be a Mossad operation? Judaism does not call for the abuse of young girls, nor is this legal in Israel–although it is in many Muslim nations.
As for blackmail, why would setting up Epstein abusing young girls be useful for Mossad? Epstein is wealthy–which is likely why he got away with his behavior for so long–but he is not so wealthy that blackmailing him would be useful for the state of Israel. And when has Israel *ever* used blackmail as source of income, if that is what you are claiming? This is calumny.
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So to combat this we must awaken the MAIN Players, especially those who have the most to lose. Hollywood, the Media, Judiciary, the MAJOR Bankster players, even Congress is well over represented by people of Jewish decent. This would NOT happen if they supported Good over Evil.
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Right now, there are 13 Jewish members of Congress, out of 535 in all. That means that Jews make up 0.024% of Congresspeople, which is *less* than the population, which is about 2%. Check your figures.
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For me to consider people Jewish I go beyond just heredity/DNA as most Jews do and believe they must have the Faith of their Forefathers also. Which of course many do NOT have.
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There are a few converts to Judaism, but they are fairly small in number. Judaism is not a evangelizing faith generally.
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There are many good Jewish commenters on the front line of the info wars to protect Western Civilization. In fact I do not make a habit of researching who be what, so many do not have obvious Jewish names, some do.
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Yes, there are–including Marc Louis, Pamela Geller, Debbie Schlussel, and Caroline Glick. I’m sure there are others.
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I would gladly die and can think of few better deaths than to sacrifice my life for Israel. The only better one I can think of is to die for Refusing to renounce Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior or refusing to accept the Mark of the Beast. I sure am not afraid of bein called an Anti-Semite in battling this EVIL Satanic Plague of Islam which is about to consume the West.
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OK. I’m glad that you support Israel.
But there is no reason to believe that it is Jewish people who are chiefly enabling Jihad and Shari’ah.
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Many there do from what I’ve seen–others don’t care one way or the other about Jihad. They certainly do hate Jewish people, though–and is one of the only sources I have seen saying that Jewish people are destroying Western Civilization.
CRUSADER says
“Palestinian Delusion” sure will be an interesting read.
Robert Spencer speaks to the failure of resolving the intractable
unrest and conflict among Israelis and “palestinians”…
(minute marker 34:00)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22wS89hBZy8#action=share
CRUSADER says
Pandering “Pocahontas” !
CRUSADER says
Israeli Settlements are NOT the Barrier to Peace
PRAGER U:
Is Israel’s policy of building civilian communities in the West Bank the reason there’s no peace agreement with the Palestinians? Or would there still be no peace even if Israel removed all of its settlements and evicted Israeli settlers, as it did in Gaza in 2005? Renowned Harvard professor and legal scholar Alan Dershowitz explains.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhbCtAz_BQc
eduardo odraude says
Hey! Haven’t Twitter and Facebook and Google determined that Prager’s perspective must be censored by all correctly thinking media platforms, lest people hear thoughts that leftists have determined are not entitled to a hearing? EVERYONE! WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT WATCH THAT PRAGER VIDEO! IT MIGHT CORRUPT YOUR BRAIN AND TURN YOU INTO A DEMON (as “progressives” define “demons”).
CRUSADER says
Too late, already a proud alumnus of Prager U.
owensgate says
Israeli Housing Developments in one’s own country of Israel should not be called “Settlements”; that’s like calling them squatters, which the so-called Palestinians really are.
owensgate says
I made this comment a couple days ago, but it did not appear. I tried to “re-comment” it, and it said it was there already. Here it is again, thinking this extra text will confuse the “duplicate detector”:
Israeli Housing Developments in one’s own country of Israel should not be called “Settlements”; that’s like calling them squatters, which the so-called Palestinians really are.
somehistory says
She may well be totally anti-Israel. She may be half-way “there.” But, this lying idiot will say anything, “yes,yes, so i’m there,” “i’m Native American,” “i know how to drink a beer,” “i can cook,” …she’d even claim intelligence if someone asked her if…
in order to get elected to public office where she can make important decisions for everyone. She’s another power-mad idiot who doesn’t really care for doing the right thing, telling the truth, or actually thinking before she speaks. Very much like aoc and “her squad” say anything to gain attention or cause an uproar.
Like in the advertisements, the “i was there” or “I’m there,”…for the medication that is meant to help with stomach upset and the person clearly isn’t “there.” She’s “there” but she left her brain at the last pow-wow she attended out on the res.
CRUSADER says
Pow!
Wow!
She certainly has a lucky husband!
James Lincoln says
Excellent post somehistory. My compliments.
somehistory says
thank you, James Lincoln.
gravenimage says
Somehistory, I am no fan of Elizabeth Warren generally, but she *did* vote for for additional funding for Israel’s Iron Dome missile defense system when Hamas was attacking her last summer.
She said this to a critic:
“When Hamas puts its rocket launchers next to hospitals, next to schools, they’re using their civilian population to protect their military assets. And I believe Israel has a right, at that point, to defend itself,” Warren said.
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I said this about her in my comment above, that it is something she might not do in order to get votes: “actually thinking before she speaks.”
then again, perhaps she’s like kerry and voted for Israel before deciding against Israel.
Besides, “Israel has a right to defend itself” ***before*** terror reaches that point.
gravenimage says
Also possible.
RonaldB says
“In any case, it is up to Israel alone to decide what are the conditions required for its own security.”
I like that. Warren is taking the globalist tact of the neocons and communists by injecting the US into every foreign dispute and squabble. Would she say “yes, yes, yes” to withdrawing US foreign aid, military support to 100 different countries we never heard of, and to the hundreds of billions of dollars we pay the UN?
No.
Because the Democrats, even more than the establishment Republicans, are wedded to the globalist centralization of power which shovels money and power to influential, crony-capitalist companies and organizations. It is not for nothing that Trump said Bolton went nuts when Trump proposed withdrawing US troops from Syria. What would the arms companies do without the massive spending of the Western governments on arms, anti-missiles and hypersonic cruise missiles to counter the expansion of Russia, with its third-world economy and declining population?
gravenimage says
Actually, calling her a communist for supporting Israel’s right to defend herself is very odd.
eduardo odraude says
Probably the polls underestimate Trump’s support, as they did in 2016. The left’s demonization of Trump supporters is so intense and has penetrated a lot of the media so effectively that one must assume that many people will not publicly admit their support of Trump. I live in NY state and certainly do not broadcast my support. The fact is that many conservatives live and work with “progressives” who would instantly think much less of those conservatives if their conservative views became known. The same is not true in the same way or to the same extent of how conservatives think of progressives. I think progressives for the most part are not evil or totalitarian, just somewhat mistaken, naive, and idealistic without sufficient awareness or interest in what the actual consequences will be of trying to implement their ideals in the statist ways they prefer. Mostly, I think they want a sort of Scandinavian social safety net, not full blown communist totalitarianism. While a very large welfare state is not necessarily the end of the world for a Scandinavian or European nation, I think it could be a disaster if the US went further in that direction. The US must remain the top economic power in the world, or else the Chinese government will surpass the US in power, and that would probably be a disaster for the world, for us, for the West. And at least one state in the world should be striving for social well-being and social welfare achieved by non-government organizations rather than by a Nanny State that infantilizes and pacifies everyone. The US must achieve better social welfare independent of the state, so that our emphasis on the individual and individual responsibility are not eroded. That is essential for our leadership of the world. Whatever the downsides of our leadership, they are very unlikely to be worse than the downsides of leadership by the totalitarian Chinese State
Anyway, the point I’m making is that conservatives do not demonize progressives to anything like the extent that progressives demonize conservatives. Many progressives would think me evil and stupid and racist for supporting Trump. By contrast, progressives never feel the need to be quiet about their views, and indeed often just take it for granted that no one they know could possibly think differently than they do. So I personally would be careful about admitting my support for Trump, especially in my work situation. And I am not even particularly dependent on my current job. For conservatives who cannot afford to be fired or demoted, their silence must be even more intensely maintained. So polls today are highly questionable. All those self-censoring conservatives seem likely to vote with a vengeance, due to the resentment they may feel about being demonized. I will certainly vote for Trump. I was rather annoyed when I last went to my voting place and found that people I know from work were among those administering the vote. They asked each voter which party he was registered with. Did not like that, but of course I went ahead and voted Repub down the line — NYS is a corrupt mess in part because Democrats have too little competition.
James Lincoln says
eduardo odraude,
Excellent post, I’m sure that many Jihad Watch readers feel the same way.
The thing is, the Democrats are going so far off the rails that the closet Trump supporters can now at least publicly say that they are “Independents”…
Mac-101 says
It is a miracle I did not git in trouble in the military for supporting or refuting ideas, not parties. As of today I have yet in Kentucky found anyone who argues or will disagree we me that it is evil to kill babies as they pop out or even after, or a grown man in their grand daughters shower room or approves of the massive influx of illegals flooding our country. All people I talk to, White, Black, Brown, old, young, male and female realize that Population replacement is NOT just the replacement of WHITE people but ALL Americans and the eradication of the Entire Middle Class. Very few poe people I know want a 66 dollar a month Cuban doctor operating on them.
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Keep workin on friends and family. If they got one bran cell they MUST understand their position ensures our countries destruction. I will keep preachin to strangers. .
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Only an idiot would think that the Donkey brings prosperity to the masses. Every place they control turns into a cesspool. Of course we must understand and give them the point that the Uni-Party OWNS THEM all. With RePugs we walk to the Satanic Globalists NWO, with the Donkeys we RUN to it!
James Lincoln says
Mac-101,
There’s a saying that “all politics are local”.
If we can all just reached the folks around us…
Mac-101, keep up the good work.
Mac-101 says
It’s ALL we can do. It sure appears to me if the Globalists/Progressives gain total power everyone who comments on this site will be goin to a FEMA Camp shower room. This is IMPORTANT and there is NO WHERE to hide!
mortimer says
Elizabeth Warren should have stayed teaching real estate and commercial law, something she was good at.
jarmanray says
This excellent article left out a couple of significant points. First is that in 1947 when the last British soldier boarded his ship back the England, the Arabs that very night began the war by attempting to go from door to door of every Jewish home in an effort to kill every one in the dwellings. Unlike many of their brethren and themselves in Nazi Germany and other Nazi held states, the Jews in the future state of Israel were determined not to succumb to their would be butchers, and by golly, they did not. Secondly, I feel that David Ben-Gurion never wished for Israel to encompass the entire territory since sooner or later, the Arabs would out number the Jews and his people would become at best, second rate citizens or as Muhammad said, “until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
I am glad that Hugh Fitzgerald pointed out the difference between land illegally stolen by acts of aggression and lands retained after a successful defense by a nation’s citizens such as territories like Jutland, Alsace-Lorraine, Eupen and large parts of former Prussia. The irony is that even though the Jews fought and won the war in 1948, many of the Europeans use the word “occupied” for lands taken after a successful defense. The same is true for the Golan Heights which Israel took in 1967 after Syria attacked Israel.
I think that Warren should read a few books history and international law.
tgusa says
As a pussy hat wearing American nitwit she is way out of her league. Does she really believe that the Israelis are going to allow their people to be put in grave danger from homicidal maniacs because she says so? The trouble with the American left is that living in the USA with all the rights and privileges that go along with that have made them clueless as to the ways of 90 percent of the world. She needs to get back on the leftist reservation. For the most part her power and influence end at the borders of the USA.
gravenimage says
Elizabeth Warren’s “Yes, Yes” To Ending Israel’s “Occupation”
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Warren is either too ignorant to know what this means–the destruction of our ally Israel–or she actually supports this herself. *Ugh*.
gravenimage says
As I note above, it more likely the former–still indefensible, though.
OLD GUY says
E. Warren “NEVER” she will say anything to get a vote. Israel belongs to the Jewish people, their democracy deserves our support and protection if they need us. The Muslim world if given half a chance would destroy Israel and kill all of its citizens. How dare she support the Muslim extermination of the Jewish people. There is no such thing as Palestinian land in history, that is only an Islamic State claim and part of their attempt to destroy Israel.
gravenimage says
Warren probably considers Israel’s presence in Judea and Samaria (eg, the “West Bank”) to be “occupation”, not the whole of Israel–even less does she support the genocide of the Jewish people,
That being said, Israel pulling out of the “West Bank” would be terribly dangerous for her, since the “Palestinian” Muslims use it as a base to wage violent Jihad against Israel, as they did pre-1967. Warren likely has no clue.
Smokey says
She is not of God due to hating Israel. In truth she believes Israel does not have the right to exist. God will bless those that bless Israel and God will curse those who curse Israel.