“Dr. Nemam Ghafouri who worked with ‘Joint Help for Kurdistan’ warned that if children are not separated from their mothers, they will become even more radical and pose a threat to society….’Children who have ties with Finland or Sweden should be brought here. – said Ghafouri – It is very important to bring the children from there. What happens if an extra 10 children are brought in? What if they give them the opportunity to lead a normal life here instead of being a time bomb?’”
Great idea. High minded. The problem, however, is that many of these children have been indoctrinated into the jihad doctrine. What does Gahfouri propose as a method to reverse the effects of that indoctrination? Nothing at all?
“Finland government said it won’t take back families of ISIS,” by Murat Kuseyri, ANF News, July 5, 2019 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
Since the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) took Baghouz defeating ISIS, the future of those Finnish nationals who have joined the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq has been on the agenda in Finland.
Prime Minister Antti Rinne and Minister of Justice Anna-Maja Henriksson from the coalition government formed by the Social Democratic Party, the Central Party, the Greens, the Left Union and the Swedish People’s Party after the elections last April, have been asked questions by the opposition parties about the future of ISIS militants and their wives and children.
The answer given by the government so far was that bringing those back to Finland would not help.
Answering the question about what the government’s position will be, Prime Minister Antti Rinne said that the problem is quite complex and that its solution involves not just security but also maintain moral and ethical standards.
Eventually Rinne said that the consulates will not help these people in Syria, “We do not intend to help them to come back to Finland.”…
Dr. Nemam Ghafouri who worked with ‘Joint Help for Kurdistan’ warned that if children are not separated from their mothers, they will become even more radical and pose a threat to society….
“Children who have ties with Finland or Sweden should be brought here. – said Ghafouri – It is very important to bring the children from there. What happens if an extra 10 children are brought in? What if they give them the opportunity to lead a normal life here instead of being a time bomb? ”
Steve says
It is truly a blessing to finally see a Nordic Country get it correct. Now if only Sweden, the rape capital of Europe, can have the intestinal fortitude to do the same.
Hugh Fitzgerald says
These children of ISIS supporters are already time bombs; no one knows how much and money and attention and years it would take to undo what the ISIS-supporting parents have imprinted on the brains of their children, or if such deprogramming would even be possible.. Why is it the responsibility of the Finnish government to allow the chidren back, without their parents, effectively making them wards of the state, which would then be responsible for them, and have to undertake the task of deprogramming them? Let them stay with their parents, in some godforsaken part of the Muslim Middle East where ISIS has made enemies, and where the damage they can do will be only to other Muslims whom they deem insufficiently devout. Most likely, alongwith other remnants of ISiS, they will be constantly on the run. They have it coming.
When Muslims, whether they had been allowed by Infidels to settle in Finland, where they were showered with generous benefits, or were Finnish nationals who had converted to Islam, chose to leave Finland in order to join ISIS, a group dedicated to the murder of non-Muslims, they embraced enemies of the indigenous Finns and the Finnish state. They were then guilty of treason.They have no claim on Finland, which has every right to keep them and their children from returning. They will have to settle for the islamically-correct life they can lead in the Muslim Middle East, amidst people just like themselves. And to remember the life they once led in Finland, that is forever closed to them, because of the choices they made..That should be punishment enough.
jensee says
Very well stated, Hugh Fitzgerald. Thank you for your words.
jarmanray says
I am sure that you know that a person’s outlook on life is founded between the ages of two to six years of age. I also realize that in rare cases the person is able to overcome the damage that some have incurred but those who have been so indoctrinated into a cult that preaches and demonstrates hate and violence would sooner or later act out that upbringing. Given that to bring a child already damaged back without its mother would only add to the anger. The Finnish government is totally correct not to permit future time bombs from entering their nation.
gravenimage says
Yes–some people *can* overcome their early indoctrination. This is rare, though, and not the responsibility of potential victims to take a gamble on.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Hugh.
mortimer says
Dr. Nemam Ghafouri is expressing wishful thinking. There is no guarantee that a Muslim child growing up in Finnland will not become a jihadist. By the same token, there is no guarantee that children living in Muslim countries will grow up to hate people solely on the basis of their religion or their agnosticism. Today, MANY Muslims are becoming agnostics due to the violence based in the allegedly ‘divine’ Koran. They cannot believe in such a violent and cruel deity.
Children born overseas to those who LEFT Finland, RENOUNCED their citizenship, and raised their children in the ISLAMIC STATE are not the lookout of Finland.
Those who voluntarily renounce their citizenship truly have no claim for it to be restored upon their whim.
This message should be sent to all Muslim immigrants: Citizenship is a privilege… so don’t abuse it. You may lose it, if you abuse the privilege.
LH says
Uh… You do realise that this about the children, not the mothers? The children did not make the choice to leave and renounce their citizenship, many of them were not even born at the time. I’m not saying I want them brought here (I’m Finnish), but that’s not because the children have done something wrong.
somehistory says
Yesterday, msn had a news account of China taking children away from their moslim parents and building boarding schools for them One small town was said to have had more than 400 children taken.
The parents,,,the ones till in country…are being imprisoned. Others are parents who left the country to go to such places as Turkey…supposedly to work. Those ones are complaining that the gov is taking their children ‘because they are moslim.’
Now, Finland is making the choice not to allow the children of moslim terrorists to come into the country. If the siis males had been able to stand their ground and fight off those who were bombing them, no one would even be asking about these children and their “future.” If isis was still in control, who would be thinking about the children being taught to hate and murder and rape?
Children pull at the heartstrings of many. Those people would like to help, but there is no easy answer. The Bible rightly says that “children pay for the sins of the fathers.” moslim children…like the children of other criminals…certainly do.
Angemon says
Court of law, treason, etc…
abad says
Good for Finland. Now if they can just throw out the rest of the Moslems on their turf they will be all set.
Beneath the Veil of Consciousness says
Payback is a bitch.
gravenimage says
Finland: Government says it won’t take back the families of Islamic State jihadis
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Good for Finland! I hope others follow their lead.
Eric Jones says
Charles Manson (Tate Murder) has a grandson. Should his grandson be in prison as well? Its not fair to lay the crimes of the parents on their children. Kids need to be given a chance! I know two men who are in law enforcement who were juvenile delinquents when they were kids. Look in the mirror. Who among us has always been an angel?
Eric
abad says
Those Moslem kids can have a chance in Syria. Let them use the Quran to “rebuild” their nation.
Giacomo Latta says
Why should Finland take back these quitters when there are so many other possibilities about to bloom? Afghanistan, Chechnya, Yemen. No, Finland does not tolerate quitters.
Beneath the Veil of Consciousness says
False equivalency Eric.
joanofark06 says
Wow, look at the picture. Anyone see that VERY white baby, with that covered in black cloth, mama? What’s wrong with that picture??