Turkey’s Islamist President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, during a trip to Beijing on Tuesday, reportedly struck a more positive note about China’s concentration camps for Uighurs, a Turkic ethnic group, and other Muslims in Xinjiang province a decade after denouncing attacks on Uighurs as “genocide.” President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s administration joined the Muslim-majority governments of Pakistan and Indonesia, the most populous Islamic country in the world, Malaysia, and Saudi Arabia in defending China’s repression of its Muslim minority.
As bizarre as support for China by Turkey and other Islamic countries looks, one of the reason for it is economics, as “Erdogan reportedly traveled to China to boost the Turkish economy.” But support for China most importantly shows how little Islamic supremacists are concerned about Muslim lives. Their primary focus is power and expansion. Let’s not forget that since 1948, Muslims have murdered about 12 million of their coreligionists. Muslim countries turning their backs on the Uighurs also demonstrates the level of contempt that Islamic countries have for democracies — a hatred that is more powerful than love for their coreligionists. In a similar manner, Islamic states do not genuinely care about the Palestinian people, and they do not even want Palestinians to be successful, because it would put a monkey wrench into the propaganda mill that works overtime against Israel. It will also cut their jihad funding. Nothing Western countries ever do to appease Islamic supremacists will be enough. Jihadists aim to subvert and destroy free societies, yet Leftists continue to be useful idiots in their service. Canada leads the pack of useful idiots, among those who support its “anti-Islamophobia” Motion M-103.
Lying, deception, manipulation and propaganda are primary tools jihadists and jihadist regimes use against free societies — especially those that are Christian and Jewish countries at their root. Recall Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s comment in response to “Austria’s move to close mosques and expel Turkish-funded imams.” He called the move “anti-Islamic” and threatened “a war between the cross and the crescent.” Erdogan also accused Europe of “starting a ‘clash’ between Christianity and Islam” in response to a ruling that would allow employers to ban headscarves as part of wider restrictions on religious and political symbols; Turkey’s foreign minister Mevlut Çavuşoğlu warned about impending “holy wars” between Islam and Europe over the banning of headscarves. And although Turkey is Sunni and Iran is Shia, despite the historic enmity between the two sects, Turkish Minister of Economy Nihat Zeybekci has stated that Turkey will stand with its “friend and brother Iran” against US sanctions.
The hatred against Jews and Christians is palpable from Islamic supremacist states such as Turkey and Iran, and such hatred governs their foreign policy. While “Islamophobia” is being forced upon Westerners by the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) and its allies and dupes for merely criticizing Islam, the OIC is ignoring abuses against Muslims in China. “Islamophobia,” charged at every turn by Islamic supremacists, is a deliberate drive to weaken free societies by attempting to destroy their cornerstone, the freedom of speech. China is the place to which the OIC should be directing its condemnation of “Islamophobia.”
“Turkey’s Islamist President Endorses China’s Muslim Concentration Camps,” by Edwin Mora, Breitbart, July 3, 2019:
Turkey’s Islamist President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, during a trip to Beijing on Tuesday, reportedly struck a more positive note about China’s concentration camps for Uighurs, a Turkic ethnic group, and other Muslims in Xinjiang province a decade after denouncing attacks on Uighurs as “genocide.”
President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s administration joined the Muslim-majority governments of Pakistan and Indonesia, the most populous Islamic country in the world, Malaysia, and Saudi Arabia in defending China’s repression of its Muslim minority.
Beijing has repeatedly claimed its crackdown is aimed at combating religious extremism, terrorism, and separatism in Muslim Uighur-majority Xinjiang province, but many countries point to the ample evidence that it is instead using the alleged terror threat to violate the human rights of its Muslims citizens.
On Monday, Adrian Zenz, an independent German researcher, reported that Chinese government documents “refute” Beijing’s “propaganda claims” that its “concentration camps” in Xinjiang are vocational and training centers, according to the Journal on Political Risk (JPR).
China’s state-run Global Times paraphrased Erdogan as saying during a meeting with Communist Party chief Xi Jinping on Tuesday that “it is a fact that the residents of various ethnic groups in Northwest China’s Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region are living happily under China’s development and prosperity.”
Erdogan further indicated that “Turkey does not allow anyone to provoke the relationship between the two countries,” the Global Times adds.
In response, Xi indicated:
China appreciates the fact that Erdogan has repeatedly reiterated that any anti-China separatist activities are not allowed in Turkey as well as its strong support to China’s anti-terrorist operations … adding that China is willing to enhance international cooperation on counter-terrorism with Turkey.
Erdogan’s position is a far cry from the criticism he leveled against Beijing when he served as Turkey’s prime minister a decade ago.
Referring to China’s long-standing and at times allegedly deadly oppression of its Uighur ethnic minority, then-PM Erdogan declared in July 2009, “The incidents in China are, simply put, a genocide. There’s no point in interpreting this otherwise,” Reuters reported.
Turkey, however, appears to have changed its tune, even from as early as February of this year when it expressed concerns about the situation in Xinjiang at the United Nations Human Rights Council to China’s dismay.
Erdogan’s foreign ministry issued a stern condemnation of China’s internment camps.
“The reintroduction of internment camps in the [21st] century and the policy of systematic assimilation against the Uighur Turks carried out by the authorities of China is a great shame for humanity,” the statement proclaimed…
Rueben_Singh says
They fear and respect China’s strength, they despise the west’s moral weakness for not standing up for their supposed values.
A lesson to be learned.
christianblood says
Rueben_Singh
Well-said!
The decadent, atheistic, materialistic, degenerate and pro-Islamist West is dying!
gravenimage says
christianblood has said many times that he wants Muslims to conquer and destroy the West–that is his only purpose here. He has no problem with Jihad–he has said that it should not be considered a threat.
Mac-101 says
Or did the Globalist make a pact with the Muslims that the West will become Islamic for control purposes and a vassal to Red China while China will become Muslim free and dominate?
Carol the 1st says
Mac-101- you’ve probably watched the video below. In first 4 minutes they talk about a very difficult part of the Southern wall that Steve Bannon is helping to get built but then they go on to discuss China and the *economic* war and how Huawei (part of the PLA says Bannon) will be “essentially a dirty bomb inside industrialized democracies”. Many would become “TRIBUTARY STATES” to China. One bright note near end is Bannon saying that “if the U.S. doesn’t sell component parts to Huawei it could be over for them, just as in ZET.” (whatever that is):
Watch CNBC’s full interview with former Trump advisor Steve Bannon on the G-20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92eD-ADwcBY
Mac-101 says
My internet is too slow for videos. I find it hard to believe that Red China needs us to make anything for them. Since when does an American Company holding a patenet stop the Chi-Coms. Thanks for the info. I’ll keep my eyes open for more on this.
Shosh says
Where is the fatwah on China ?
william carr says
What do you expect from Muslims? They are deceivers and liars and will say anything that suits their own advantage
Buraq says
The hand-wringing, Islamic compliant BBC have made a video showing the destruction of Mosques of the poor, downtrodden, peaceful ‘religion’ of Islam in China.
It’s a lesson in how Islam backs down when faced with total destruction. Erdogan realizes that he’d better kow-tow, or the Chinese authorities will show the world who is boss!
The video is a heart-warming demonstration of how to deal with an ideological bully like Islam!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DewWSGTwOXo
somehistory says
Thanks for sharing the video.
Jon Sobieski says
I love China’s program to get rid of Islam. It’s fantastic. They are saving millions of souls from Islam’s rot.
Kepha says
China uses this on Christians and others dissidents as well. And I have family ties with the Sinosphere.
Do not get starry-eyed about Communism China. It is a realm of jackboot nationalism coupled with a very overbearing statism. Worse, its nationalism is of the same essentialist stamp that gave us German national socialism; and official China is re-discovering Hitler as a kindred spirit.
I have seen an employee of the Chinese foreign ministry express shock and dismay that an American of German Jewish heritage should execrate the memory of Hitler. That person also seemed to think that the extermination of a large bunch of Old Country relatives was a small price to pay for national unity and revival; and got nervous on learning that perhaps one in three of all American soldiers who fought in Europe during the Second World War was of Germanic heritage, including Eisenhower himself. It was a point where I really wished to tell her that if China wasn’t careful, it would find itself under an American military government headed by a general named Zhao or Huang, but remembering that I was a diplomat kept my tongue in check.
Communist China also pushes the narrative that the Chinese race descends from a separate branch of primitive man, represented by the Peking Man fossils that were lost in WWII. While it jails Chinese (non-Muslims, BTW) who dare to call for political alternatives to Communism, it tolerates the dissemination of literature which calls for Chinese rule over all lands inhabited by the yellow race (including the Americas, due to the Asian origin of the indigenous peoples). That’s the wonderful thing about a country that practices rigorous censorship and tries very hard to make sure that nothing but the Party Line prevails.
I continue to pray for the continuing spread of the unregistered Evangelical churches in China–and for the West’s Christian revival. That–not the revival of 20th century totalitarianism, of which modern China is the world’s last, best hope–is what will overcome Islam.
Mac-101 says
Well said Bro. With your Experience what do you think the connection between the Globalist and the Chi-Coms? Surely it is more than short term profits!
Christianblood says
Jon Sobieski
+1
gravenimage says
This is true, Kepha.
Communist China just considers Islam rival totalitarians.
gravenimage says
If christianblood *really* wanted to save souls from Islam, then he would not regularly demand that Muslims take over the West. This would be almost a billion people either forced into Islam or treated like persecuted dhimmis. *This* is what he ultimately wants.
Angemon says
Nor would he cheer the murders of children in jiahd attacks, nor would he refer to the persecution of Christians in Iran as “US, NATO, Israeli, Saudi Arabia propaganda”.
Kepha says
@Mac, Graven, and Christianblood: Thanks for your encouragement. I saw Uyghur separatism and Hui dissidence (NOT the same thing) bubble up in the 1990’s, when I served in China. It was part and parcel of the decay of the totalitarian vision which was worldwide back in that era. And, BTW, Chinese people who had just seen their own dissidents massacred flooded the Romanian EMbassy in Beijing with congratulatory messages when the Chinese regime’s best foreign friend Ceaucescu was executed. My own sense on talking with Uyghur migrants (who were by no means hateful towards Westerners) was that they saw the collapse of the Soviet Union as evidence that Big Brother is mortal.
Knowing what I do about the Chinese regime, I am extremely bothered when people see it as an ally against Islamic militancy. It would gladly see continued Islamoterrorist attacks on the USA. Beijing does not wish us well.
Mac-101 says
Kepha, What do you think of the millions of protestors in Hong Kong who are willin to face the Chi-Coms, identified with facial recognition, pun intended, at great risk to themselves to fight bein incorporated into the Chi-Com Judiciary system and disappearing to become an Organ donor? Same with the Taiwanese, or should I say Formosans? Is their a desire of Freedom in the Han Chinese hearts that may burst forth?
gravenimage says
Kepha, I am *no* fan of the vicious Communist Chinese, but I think that your idea that Uyghur Muslims are pro-Western and are just waging Jihad against the Chinese for political reasons is mistaken. Muslims are waging violent Jihad against *all* Infidels and other-sect Muslims everywhere, no matter what ideologies they hold. Jihadists are as apt to target democracies as they are dictatorships.
“Hundreds, maybe thousands, of Muslims from China waging jihad in Syria”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/01/hundreds-maybe-thousands-of-muslims-from-china-waging-jihad-in-syria
gravenimage says
All true, Angemon.
Avenger says
The main goal for most Jihadwatchers is the complete annihilation of Islam. What China is doing is a step in the right direction. If it breaks a few eggs getting there I’m good with that.
Christianblood says
Mac-101
Protesters in Hong Kong are not real in that they are being funded and motivated by “National Endowment For Democracy” which is like the USAID, is just another long arm of the CIA! I don’t even understand why China is letting such destructive organizations into its borders! BTW,
Thousands of Yellow Vests are demonstrating every Saturday and Sunday in France for six months now and they are rarely mentioned by the Western MSM.
Angemon says
CB, do you check for CIA under the bed before going to sleep? Muslims are less paranoid of Mossad than you are of anything tangentially related to the US…
Mac-101 says
Christian Blood, Are the Chi-Coms the GOOD GUYS?
Christianblood says
Mac-101
They are better than Islamists! The Chi-Coms don’t have a plan to exterminate infidels worldwide!
Mac-101 says
Christian Blood, The Chi-Coms just murdered over 60 million of their OWN citizens just 50 some years ago!
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Evil IS Evil!
Watto35 says
Yeah, isn’t it wonderful. While we in the west are lying down in the face of Islam the Chinese are saying “Not here, ever.” And Erdogan is behaving like the wimp he is. The Chinese are saying “Jump” and the moslems are asking “How High?”
Carol the 1st says
I just hope adoring Trudeau doesn’t get any ideas as to how to handle “old, white, Canadians”.
James Lincoln says
Buraq,
Thanks for the link to the video.
It’s interesting that there are two distinct reactions to the video. This is very clear when one goes to the YouTube website and reads the comments.
The Islamic compliant BBC news people – and the leftist/socialist/globalists/Marxists in general think it is terrible.
The anti-jihadist readers – at sites like Jihad Watch – think it’s great.
Carol the 1st says
The BBC reporter in the video about mosque destruction is ever so distressed about a “culture” being dismantled…ho-hum – so much for the cultures and people being saved. Life is so unfair and hard to figure out sometimes!
Christianity has caused a lot of problems for China due to its ability to muster forces together it seems (one very effective fellow seemed to think he was a brother or something to Jesus?). Another recent Christian, Sun Yat-sen, has been called The Father of Modern China. People may find this of interest as it helps one glimpse what may still underlie their Communist mindset:
The Father of Modern China – Sun Yat-sen l HISTORY OF CHINA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NLX-AmdyNg
Save Europe says
Love that video ???
Don McKellar says
Moslems never care about the fate of other moslems unless:
A) They are useful to advance Islam and a global caliphate. These moslems have no role in this, nor does standing up for them. Let allah sort them out.
B) There are Jews involved in some way. There are no Jews in China, so there is no reason to become outraged.
It’s no surprise for Erdogan to have this attitude. He’s come to realize that neither A nor B apply. Likely whomever his imam is who has tutored him in become a stricter moslem has steered him towards this correct understanding of Islam.
gravenimage says
This is true, Don.
Kepha says
In fact, there is a small Jewish community in China. Most of it is expat. However, some of the descendants of an ancient Jewish community in Kaifeng have been exploring their Jewish roots, and a number of foreign Communists of Jewish origins who settled in China went frum in their old age. Back in the 1990’s, the Chinese government noted this, and circulated pants-sh–ting memoes about “What happened to the Soviet Union after THOSE people got uppity?” One more bit of evidence about the general paranoia of any ruling Communist Party.
christianblood says
Buraq
Thanks for the video!
Just like they demonized Myanmar for the supposed persecution of the Rohingya muslims for the past few years the BBC and Western MSM keep slamming China in recent months for sending muslim extremists in Xinjiang to de-racialiszation camps in China! Western Islamo-phylic media will never say a word condemning the genocidal persecution of Christians in the Islamic world! Not only that, Western nations are directly and indirectly supporting Islamists to persecute Christians in the Islamic world!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McSyDzqHBi4&feature=youtu.be
Angemon says
“ Not only that, Western nations are directly and indirectly supporting Islamists to persecute Christians in the Islamic world!”
Says the individual that supports Hezbollah and Iran, and denies that Christians are persecuted in Iran…
Wellington says
Seconded.
gravenimage says
True, Angemon and Wellington.
Christianblood says
Angemon
Hezbollah and Iran saved the Syrian state from falling into the hands of the US, Nato, Israeli and Saudi-backed murderous jihadists! Without Iran and Hezbollah aiding the Syrian army, the black flag of Al-Qaeda/ISIS would be flying in Damascus today and millions of Christians, Alawites and Druze would be lying dead and the Anti-Christ of the world like you would be celebrating! I say, Thank God that did not happen and may the forces of the Anti-Christ be defeated everywhere! Will you say Amen to that?
I know, you ill never say Amen to that!
Below, a Christian bishop from Lebanon says: “..Hezbolah protects Christians 100%..”
Watch him from 5:29 mark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGkp3pB44Uc&feature=youtu.be
gravenimage says
christianblood has said this before–that Hezb’allah *had to* destroy Christian-majority Lebanon in order to protect them from the (supposedly) Jihad-waging Jews.
He *knows* that Christian dhimmis in Dar-al-Islam have to toady to Muslims if they want to survive–that’s how he likes it.
He also doesn’t say why in this video these Christians want to flee to the West–why would this be the case, if the West were really slaughtering Christians? He can’t even keep his own bs straight.
christianblood says
gravenimage posted
(…christianblood has said this before–that Hezb’allah *had to* destroy Christian-majority Lebanon…)
Completely false, an outright lie! I Never said such a thing!
Christians and Hezbollah-Shiites are allies in Lebanon and constantly collaborate with each other as both are threatened by the US, Saudi and Israeli-backed Sunni/Wahhabi jihadists! Hezbollah actually armed and trained Christian villagers in South Lebanon to save their villages from the US, Saudi and Israeli-backed Al-Qaeda and ISIS incursions and succeeded it! The greatest fear of Christians, Shiites and the Druze in Lebanon is the US, Saudi and Israeli-backed jihadists and thank God that Hezbollah kept Lebanon safe from those murderous satanic allies and their proxy jihadist groups!
Below are telling pictures of Hezbollah fighters protecting Syrian Christian shrines from the US, Saudi and Israeli-backed murderous jihadists:
https://thesaker.is/a-very-telling-picture-of-a-hezbollah-fighter/
Angemon says
“Completely false, an outright lie! I Never said such a thing! ”
“Christians and Hezbollah-Shiites are allies in Lebanon”
Christians had their own militia – the South Lebanon Army. They were enemies with Hezbollah.
“Hezbollah actually armed and trained Christian villagers in South Lebanon to save their villages from the US, Saudi and Israeli-backed Al-Qaeda and ISIS incursions and succeeded it! ”
Citation needed.
“The greatest fear of Christians, Shiites and the Druze in Lebanon is the US, Saudi and Israeli-backed jihadists and thank God that Hezbollah kept Lebanon safe from those murderous satanic allies and their proxy jihadist groups!”
Citations needed.
“Below are telling pictures of Hezbollah fighters protecting Syrian Christian shrines”
As stated many, many times before, there’s no proof of authenticity of those pics, and the fact that they’re on a website ran by an US-phobe that has called for an Orthodox-muuslim (especially shia) alliance against “The West” makes them even more dubious…
christianblood says
gravenimage
Christians, Shiites and the Druze come out to honor Hezbollah resistance in Lebanon. Go to mark 4:00 of the video and watch as the Christian singer electrifies the crowd with her praiseful words!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdZgkGI5h0A
Angemon says
“watch as the Christian singer electrifies the crowd with her praiseful words”
The Iraqi information Minister – “Baghdad Bob”, as he came to be known – was also a Christian. Did that make anything he said trustworthy and reliable? In any case, that’s Julia Boutros, wife of a Lebanese minister. Were it a Western singer you’d be foaming at the mouth and rambling about how she, an entertainer, had no business commenting on politics. In any case, here’s more from her – claiming an equivalence between Israel and ISIS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u9uMsWBmLo
The amount of salt required for me to take to eat up what she says would literally kill me…
Angemon says
Julia Boutros is a star in Lebanon – what, exactly, is there to be gained by parading her as “a Christian singer”? One explanation would be to try to make a political stunt look like a grass-roots movement…
gravenimage says
christianblood wrote:
gravenimage posted
(…christianblood has said this before–that Hezb’allah *had to* destroy Christian-majority Lebanon…)
Completely false, an outright lie! I Never said such a thing!
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christianblood has indeed lauded Hezb’allah for invading Lebanon many times–he refuses to say anything negative about this *right here*.
More:
Christians and Hezbollah-Shiites are allies in Lebanon and constantly collaborate with each other as both are threatened by the US, Saudi and Israeli-backed Sunni/Wahhabi jihadists! Hezbollah actually armed and trained Christian villagers in South Lebanon to save their villages from the US, Saudi and Israeli-backed Al-Qaeda and ISIS incursions and succeeded it! The greatest fear of Christians, Shiites and the Druze in Lebanon is the US, Saudi and Israeli-backed jihadists and thank God that Hezbollah kept Lebanon safe from those murderous satanic allies and their proxy jihadist groups!
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Yeah–we’ve heard *this* before–Muslim thugs *had to* invade Lebanon to save Christians from the Jihad-waging Jews. Just ridiculous.
christianblood never mentions that Jews never threatened Christians for the over twenty years that Israel existed before Muslims took over Christian Lebanon–but that would give the lie to his bs, so he has to ignore it.
Yet more:
Below are telling pictures of Hezbollah fighters protecting Syrian Christian shrines from the US, Saudi and Israeli-backed murderous jihadists:
https://thesaker.is/a-very-telling-picture-of-a-hezbollah-fighter/
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christianblood has posted this claptrap before, as well–without ever letting on that Muslims’ “respect” for Jesus is actually for “prophet Isa”–a figure whose role in the last days is to *murder Christians.
Yet more:
gravenimage
Christians, Shiites and the Druze come out to honor Hezbollah resistance in Lebanon. Go to mark 4:00 of the video and watch as the Christian singer electrifies the crowd with her praiseful words!
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And, finally, he has spammed this thing many times, as well–pretending that Christians singing about kissing the feet of their Muslim overlords is equal collaboration.
But he *knows* that kissing feet in Islam is considered cringing humiliation. He *wants* to see Christians treated like humiliated dhimmis by supremacist Muslim Jihadists. Just appalling.
Christianblood says
Gravenimage & Angermon
The difference between you and me is that I praised Hezbollah for saving Syria and Lebanon from falling into the hands of the ruthless and murderous Evil Allies which are the U$A, Saudi Arabia, Nato, Israel and their bloody islamic jihadist proxies like ISIS, Al-Qaeda, White Helmets and dozens of similar groups.
You on the other hand, is sad and pissed off that the Evil Allies and their proxy jihadist groups are not winning in Syria and Lebanon to exterminate Christians and other minorities! CHRIST IS MY WITNESS THAT YOU VERY SAD BECAUSE YOUR ISLAMIC JIHADIST PROXIES CANNOT TAKEOVER SYRIA AND LEBANON AND CANNOT EXTERMINATE CHRISTIANS AND OTHER MINORITIES IN LEBANON AND SYRIA! May God punish and defeat those who want to exterminate Christians in Lebanon and Syria! My question for YOU is:
WILL YOU SAY AMEN TO THAT???????????????????????
Angemon says
christianblood posted:
“The difference between you and me is that I praised Hezbollah for saving Syria and Lebanon”
A claim dubious, at best, and one that leaves out the fact that Iran and Hezbollah-backed Assad released dangerous jihadis on his people, thus having the blood of every Christian murdered by them on his hands.
No, the difference between me and GI, and you is that you routinely cheer for murderous jihadis, defend child murderers and pretend there’s no persecution of Christians in Iran. You kiss muslim ass, we don’t. You suck Iranian knob, we don’t. My challenge to you – one that I’ve raised several times and you have always opted to ignore – is this: do you denounce the persecution of Christians in Iran, like I and GI do? Do you support what I and GI support – the idea that no civilized non-muslim nation should have any dealings with muslim nations, at least until they start having one rule of law for all, minorities or not, whether is US and Saudi Arabia or Russia and Iran? Do you, the defender of child murderers who often calls on God to murder innocents, stand with Christians in Iran or not?
Angemon says
BTW, CB, what say you about Julia Boutro’s claim that Israel, the only safe haven for Christians in the entire Middle East, is equivalent to ISIS? And what of her relationship with a Lebanese minister?
christianblood says
Angemon
Christian minority in Israel are safe but also do you accept that millions of Christians in Iraq Were safe before before the US invasion of Iraq?
Of 1.6 million Christians in Iraq only about 50 thousand remain today,
What happened to the rest? Millions of Christians in Syria and Lebanon are safe today and the only threat they are facing is extermination in the hands of US, Saudi and Israeli-backed murderous jihadists. Do you even care their what happens to them?
Angemon says
christianblood posted:
“Christian minority in Israel are safe”
Not thanks to you, Tehran Rose – you defend a regime that swore to wipe Israel off the map, Christians included.
“but also do you accept that millions of Christians in Iraq Were safe before before the US invasion of Iraq?”
Ah, the good, old, Soviet-style “whataboutery”. Here’s the truth about Christians in Saddam’s Iraq: Saddam’s appeasement of islamic hardliners meant that they were getting their rights increasingly restricted:
http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Christians-under-Saddam-suffered-persecution-165.html
In any case, and with that canard out of the way, you still have yet to answer my questions: do you denounce the persecution of Christians in Iran, like I and GI do? Do you support what I and GI support – the idea that no civilized non-muslim nation should have any dealings with muslim nations, at least until they start having one rule of law for all, minorities or not, whether is US and Saudi Arabia or Russia and Iran? Do you, the defender of child murderers who often calls on God to murder innocents, stand with Christians in Iran or not? BTW, what say you about Julia Boutro’s claim that Israel, the only safe haven for Christians in the entire Middle East, is equivalent to ISIS? And what of her relationship with a Lebanese minister?
gravenimage says
christianblood wrote:
Gravenimage & Angermon
The difference between you and me is that I praised Hezbollah for saving Syria and Lebanon from falling into the hands of the ruthless and murderous Evil Allies which are the U$A, Saudi Arabia, Nato, Israel and their bloody islamic jihadist proxies like ISIS, Al-Qaeda, White Helmets and dozens of similar groups.
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Unlike christianblood, I don’t consider Hezb’allah having destroyed Christian-majority Lebanon to have been “saving” them–unless he means “saving them” from living in freedom instead of as persecuted dhimmis.
And Angemon is quite right that Christians fought against the invasion of Hezb’allah in Lebanon:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Lebanon_Army
And–again–the claim that Hezb’allah had to destroy Christian Lebanon in order to save them from the Jews is just ludicrous. When had Israel threatened Christian Lebanon? Why hadn’t they attacked them in the twenty-five years before terrorist Hezb’allah showed up on the scene? Just calumny.
More calumny, the idea that the US defeated the Islamic State means that we–somehow–are supporters of ISIS. Of course, this makes no sense whatsoever. Even more bizarrely, christianblood has in the past castigated the US for having taken out the Islamic State.
More:
You on the other hand, is sad and pissed off that the Evil Allies and their proxy jihadist groups are not winning in Syria and Lebanon to exterminate Christians and other minorities! CHRIST IS MY WITNESS THAT YOU VERY SAD BECAUSE YOUR ISLAMIC JIHADIST PROXIES CANNOT TAKEOVER SYRIA AND LEBANON AND CANNOT EXTERMINATE CHRISTIANS AND OTHER MINORITIES IN LEBANON AND SYRIA! May God punish and defeat those who want to exterminate Christians in Lebanon and Syria! My question for YOU is:
WILL YOU SAY AMEN TO THAT???????????????????????
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When christianblood is called out on his bs he loses his English and starts ranting in ALL CAPS.
The claim that if you don’t support Jihad terror against Israel that you want to see Christians exterminated by Jihadists makes absolutely no sense, as christianblood well knows. What grotesque calumny.
His saying that our not applauding Lebanon being taken over by Jihad terrorists means that we want to see Lebanon taken over by Jihad terrorists makes no sense at all.
As for christianblood demanding that God obey him in handing out punishments, remember that this includes his constant demands that God allow Muslims to conquer and destroy the West. When I took him to task on this he demanded that God “start from gravenimage” and that I be gang raped and beheaded by Muslims. When I took issue with this, he said I was resisting the Truth of Christ.
Of course, I have always opposed the persecution and murder of Christians, as has Angemon and all the other Anti-Jihadists here. Would that we could say the same about christianblood, who applauds the persecution of Christians in Iran, Chechnya, and under Hezb’allah, and who says that Jihad terrorism–including that targeting Christians–is not a real threat.
gravenimage says
More from christianblood:
Angemon
Christian minority in Israel are safe
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Well, this is a surprising admission, given that chrstianblood is always ranting about how the Jews want to slaughter Christians. Were this calumny true, why wouldn’t they start with the Christians in Israel?
And–as Angemon notes–what does he think is going to happen to Christians in Israel if his Jihadist buddies are ever able to destroy her? I doubt that he cares, since he also does not care what would happen to the hundreds of millions of Christians in the West who would be murdered if Muslims were ever able to conquer the West–which he constantly demands God allow.
More:
but also do you accept that millions of Christians in Iraq Were safe before before the US invasion of Iraq?
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As Angemon notes, this is of course not true. Christians were persecuted and murdered under Saddam Hussein. That other Muslims have proven even worse does not change this.
christianblood’s implication that it was the United States harming Christians is more grotesque calumny–but it does not come as a surprise.
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Of 1.6 million Christians in Iraq only about 50 thousand remain today,
What happened to the rest? Millions of Christians in Syria and Lebanon are safe today and the only threat they are facing is extermination in the hands of US, Saudi and Israeli-backed murderous jihadists. Do you even care their what happens to them?
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Of course we care what happens to them–Anti-Jihadists don’t want to see Christians persecuted and murdered by anyone.
The ludicrous claim–again–that it is Americans and Jews who threaten Christians and Jihadists who are protecting them is just sickeningly false.
Angemon says
christianblood posted:
“Hezbollah and Iran saved the Syrian state from falling into the hands of the US, Nato, Israeli and Saudi-backed murderous jihadists!”
Or so you, a proven unrepentant liar, say… In any case, the jihadis you decry were propped up by Assad – or do you deny that he released many battle-hardened jihadis from prison under the guise of “political amnesty”, jihadis that greatly strengthened the groups spreading chaos in Syria?
“Without Iran and Hezbollah aiding the Syrian army, the black flag of Al-Qaeda/ISIS”
Ãl-qaeda and ISIS having been funded by Iran – without Iran and Russia there might have been no 9/11 or ISIS to begin with…
Angemon says
Maybe Uighurs aren’t “real muslims”…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUcf-yVp4uI
Carol the 1st says
But don’t they brag about them being ever so varied and different? There’s that dualism in high gear.
Zelda Zick says
Turkey has really changed since my Brother has stationed there in the 1980’s. They should be removed from NATO and placed into “The Axis of Evil” list
gravenimage says
It was always pretty bad–but under Erdogan it has gotten steadily more and more Islamic.
don vito says
moslems are busy working and don’t have time to pray? From the video Buraq shared, Western industrialist should pay attention, especially Ariens. moslem don’t need time off from work to pray. pray later, or not at all.
Ade Fegan says
Double take !
ntesdorf says
That;s a great picture of Erdogan dispensing Stealth Jihad on the West and seeing if they notice.
Eric Jones says
Uyghur’s have been fighting in Syria on the side of the ISIS. Turkey has supported ISIS. I have no idea what Erdogan’s game is.
Eric
Giacomo Latta says
Erdogan is simply someone who loves power. Such people respect it when it is not in their hands. It is the only reason we are witnessing Erdogan being so obsequious toward the Chinese.
Eric Jones says
Historically China has viewed itself as influencing other cultures; not being subservient to other cultures. This will make it impossible for China to submit to Jihad.
Eric
gravenimage says
China has actually done a lot of appeasing Islam, including exempting Muslims from the “One Child Policy” and allowing Muslims but not Han Chinese to carry knives.
Kepha says
Not strictly true. In Guangzhou, back in the 1990’s, one of the things that made the Uyghur migrant ghetto a no-go zone was an attempt by the health authorities to implement the one-child policy on the few women in that community. As for carrying knives, what good is that against AK-wielding People’s Armed Police? The thing that kept the police out of the Uyghur section of Guangzhou was that those people had smuggled firepower for trading with criminal elements.
Further, in important swaths of rural China inhabited by Han people, the one-child policy went by the wayside. Some men swaggered when paying fines for extra children, since they saw they were able to pay for such a thing, and ended up the most admired men in their villages. In some areas, where everyone belonged to one of a few inter-married large clans, health officials who got too zealous about enforcing “THE CENTER’s” directive got disappeared by the locals, with the connivance of local police (fifteenth cousins twenty-times removed to people ordered to get an abortion, if you get my drift). I ran into one county magistrate who spoke of “abnormal rates of multiple births” and “uneven development in the womb” in his jurisdiction to account for large families there. He simply didn’t want local unrest.
And, on another note about China back then, one of the counties where my family has distant ancestral ties, which had virtually no Muslims at all, was unsafe to visit due to the influence of large, well-organized smuggling gangs. Han China, when it wants to, can be as big a headache for its government as any bunch of Muslim subject people.
I sometimes wonder if the chief result of Xi’s surveillance and social credit state and anti-corruption drives won’t be to make people a lot more sophisticated about covering their tracks. Much of China still lives by “The Mountains are high and the emperor far away”.
Mac-101 says
Thx Kepha. Never read this before INSIDE Red China , but have heard of ALL the corruption. Very interesting. Chi-Com party members “disappeared” forcing one child policies on LARGE Clans. LOL!
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Please keep your informative personal observations comin!
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Red China is THE major threat to the Western Civilization and the World, Islam is just a tool of the Globalist to destroy us so THEY can rebuild it in THEIR Satanic vision.
gravenimage says
Kepha, I never said that China never tried to apply the One Child Policy on Muslims–just noted that they were exempted from it for many years. They were also exempted from the slightly more lenient restrictions that followed it for years:
“Xinjiang implements new uniform ethnic family planning policy”
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1058905.shtml
I never said that other Chinese has not been able to at times get away with flouting the One Child Policy–totalitarian states are full of such cases–but Muslims were some of the very few to be *officially* exempted from such strictures.
You wrote:
As for carrying knives, what good is that against AK-wielding People’s Armed Police?
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Well, Kepha, there are Jihad terror attacks like these:
“China: Islamic jihadists murder 27, injure 109 in jihad attack at Kunming railway station”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/03/china-islamic-jihadists-murder-27-injure-109-in-jihad-attack-at-kunming-railway-station
and this:
“China: Muslim murders eight in knife attack in Xinjiang”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/02/china-muslim-murders-eight-in-knife-attack-in-xinjiang
There have been others. I know you are familiar with these Jihad knife attacks in China, Kepha, because you commented on them at the time.
I don’t have to be any fan of the Communists to abhor Muslims murdering Chinese people.
Angemon says
And now they’re resorting to “de-radicalization” camps to try and fix the fruits of those politics…
gravenimage says
Turkey and other Muslim countries endorse China’s Muslim concentration camps
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Muslims know that China is not going to budge–they don’t care about accusations of violating human rights–they do this all the time. At the same time, China regularly plays footsie with other totalitarian polities, including Islamic ones. Seems that many Muslims are fine with this.
Dirk says
As the author correctly says, Muslims are good at killing each other by the millions. So why bother messing with them? Why come up with lies like weapons of mass destruction? Why provoke Iran, Why back the Saudis against the Yemenis, why….? Let’s get the hell out of the MIddle East and let them (and I$rael) fight each other.
lebel says
” Muslim countries turning their backs on the Uighurs also demonstrates the level of contempt that Islamic countries have for democracies — a hatred that is more powerful than love for their coreligionists”
Newsflash – Muslim politicians will act like…politicians and care for their national self interest China is an economic power.
Angemon says
Ah, I see that lebel was hoist by his own petard – were a different group of people (for example, “jihadwatchers”, like he says) acting like the muslim politicians mentioned above he’d be, like, “jihadwatchers don’t care about the suffering of innocents, if this were Jew camps instead of muslim camps they’d demand to airbomb the responsibles”.
lebel says
You completely misunderstood my post but that’s expected. You probably think it’s sweet taqqiya mixed with kitman.
Here is the point I keep making. Muslim behavior is not guided solely by Islam and cannot be explained solely by Islam. Erdogan’s behavior cannot be explained solely by Islam because then things like this do not make any sense. Erdogan only cares about the national interest or rather the AKP’s interest because he is like any other politician whether Muslim, Christian or atheist.
Do I think it’s right? no of course not. He’s a f’n hypocrite who is responsible for lots of death and destruction. Anyone who supports such camps would be viewed in exactly the same way by me (that includes most jihadwatchers who as you know do in fact support such measures because they are hurting Muslims)
Angemon says
It is you who misunderstood my point, purposely or not. If purposely, as I suspect it was, nothing I can say here will change your mind. If not, then rub your two brain cells together and read carefully, then process and digest the information I’m about to present you before replying, since your MO (mouth-breathing and rambling about irrelevances) isn’t working so far. If it were a jihadwatcher to say they support such camps you’d be foaming at the mouth and rambling about “calls for ethnic cleansing”. Since it is a muslim politician, you rushed to find excuses.
Double standards, rules for thee but nor for me, etc.
“Muslim behavior is not guided solely by Islam and cannot be explained solely by Islam. ”
OK, ok – when muslims rape and kill, like their so-called “prophet” did (and this goes doubly for converts who, up until their conversion, were seen as peaceful, happy-going people), and justify it with quranic passages and the example of muhammad (i.e., when they act in accordance to islamic texts and historical precedents), their behaviour can not be explained solely by islam, even though. Got it.
“ Anyone who supports such camps would be viewed in exactly the same way by me”
Except, of course, Erdogan, for example, as seen in your posts above – you’re certainly not accusing him of defending an ethnic cleansing or a cultural genocide, which is what you have accused JW’ers in the past for less than supporting muslim “de-radicalization” camps…
Gail Kenney says
They know thia has been done by the moslems in the Balkans for hundreds of years
Falsafa says
from the Breitbart article; „China has forced up to three million predominantly Uighur Muslim minorities into hundreds of “concentration camps” where prisoners face extrajudicial incarceration, torture, communist indoctrination, forced labor, and the renunciation of their faith and native language, among other human rights abuses.“ this is a Fact!
Everything else written above pertaining to RTEs alleged comments praising the CCP is bogus and a total spin. I know this blog can not be criticized for lack of professional journalistic standards so its really fun to read the anti muslim anti Turkic crowd of bigots being riled up based on fiction and hearsay. but hey…no one has accused the anti muslim crowd for decency and supporting the protection of universal human values/dignity either. so keep at it you hate mongers…your comments make for entertaining reading!
Angemon says
I was wondering where the usual Turk spin doctor was….
“no one has accused the anti muslim crowd for decency and supporting the protection of universal human values/dignity ”
It’s actually the other way around – the anti-islamic crow gets called “racist”, “bigoted” and “islamophobic” for defending the universal human rights and dignity such as equality of all before the law, protection of minorities, etc. As for the pro-islamic crowd… well, let’s just say that the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights in islam leaves a lot to be desired…
gravenimage says
The grotesquely self-styled “Falsafa” wrote:
from the Breitbart article; „China has forced up to three million predominantly Uighur Muslim minorities into hundreds of “concentration camps” where prisoners face extrajudicial incarceration, torture, communist indoctrination, forced labor, and the renunciation of their faith and native language, among other human rights abuses.“ this is a Fact!
Everything else written above pertaining to RTEs alleged comments praising the CCP is bogus and a total spin…
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Actually, this is not made up by Breitbart, as “Falsafa” pretends. The article cites China’s Global Times, and includes direct quotes from Erdogan and Xi.
Moreover, this story has been reported by many news outlets, not just Breitbart.
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I know this blog can not be criticized for lack of professional journalistic standards so its really fun to read the anti muslim anti Turkic crowd of bigots being riled up based on fiction and hearsay.
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Is “Falsafa” saying that these quotes from Erdogan are false? Is he saying that the Chinese are lying?
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but hey…no one has accused the anti muslim crowd for decency and supporting the protection of universal human values/dignity either. so keep at it you hate mongers…your comments make for entertaining reading!
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So Jihad Watch daring to note that Erdogan is not defending his fellow Muslims is–somehow–our being “hate mongers”?
I suppose so–Muslims always say that telling the truth about what Muslims do is “hate”.
lebel says
“Even if in the West Saddam Hussein’s regime was referred to as a secular state, civil society was ruled by Islamic law, with serious consequences for non-Muslims.””
Does Islamic law allow Christians to become Foreign Minister (like Tarik Aziz) in an Islamic government? that’s pretty advanced, I thought they were just Dhimmis and slaves.
Angemon says
lebel posted:
“Does Islamic law allow Christians to become Foreign Minister (like Tarik Aziz) in an Islamic government? that’s pretty advanced, I thought they were just Dhimmis and slaves.”
Funny – didn’t you state the following:
Ah, it’s just that way when it fits your narrative. Got it… In any case, from the article I posted:
But I guess reading and comprehending is not your forte – nor your goal, you mendacious taqqyia artist…
gravenimage says
Actually, Muslims often used Christians as governmental ministers, because they knew they were more trustworthy than Muslims.
lebel says
“Except, of course, Erdogan, for example, as seen in your posts above – you’re certainly not accusing him of defending an ethnic cleansing or a cultural genocide, which is what you have accused JW’ers in the past for less than supporting muslim “de-radicalization” camps…”
I think Erdogan is a defender of ethnic cleansing and cultural genocide.
See? unlike you I have no problem doing this.
you on the other hand cannot do this because of your hate for Muslims.
Angemon says
“ because of your hate for Muslims.”
Where, exactly, are you deriving that from?…
Angemon says
“I think Erdogan is a defender of ethnic cleansing and cultural genocide.”
You’re not being honest, you’re simply saying because you had no other choice.
lebel says
No I could do like you do and simply lie through my teeth to protect my “side”. It’s easy to imitate you.
You’re angry because you thought I was dishonest like you and it backfired. What’s left? maybe call taqqiya again?
Angemon says
lebel posted:
“No I could do like you do and simply lie through my teeth to protect my “side”. ”
When, exactly, if ever, have I lied?
“You’re angry because you thought I was dishonest like you”
Again: where, if ever, was I dishonest?
“and it backfired. ”
Far from it. You reacted exactly like the bigoted imbecile I took you for. That’s right – in addition to dishonest, you’re a bigot, and an imbecile on top of that. Let’s go by parts. Bigot first. Since the camps are aimed at “radicalized” muslims only a bigot would assume “cultural genocide” – because that would imply that ALL muslims are “radicalized” and therefore ALL would end up in said camps. Hilarious coming from you, seeing how one of your alleged alleged problems with people here is that when they say “muslims” they mean “ALL muslims”. As for the imbecile part, I got you not only to to support that view but to double down on it. Like telling a braggart toddler “I bet you can’t do that”. Hook, line and sinker – and you’re the fish… 😉
Angemon says
“I think Erdogan is a defender of ethnic cleansing and cultural genocide.”
Whoa, for all your postulating about how terrible JW’ers are, I’d never think you’re as much of a bigot as Erdogan…
gravenimage says
lebel is claiming again that opposing Jihad terror is “hatred for Muslims”.
lebel says
“Ah, it’s just that way when it fits your narrative. Got it… In any case, from the article I posted:
Tareq Aziz was not the Vice Minister because he was a Christian, but because he was a long and great childhood friend of Saddam Hussein, with whom he carried out some of his first massacres in their first years working together. Aziz rose in the Iraqi political arena only because he was a friend of Saddam Hussein.”
Does Islamic law allow for Muslims to have Christian friends?
“Muslim behavior is not guided solely by Islam and cannot be explained solely by Islam”
Yeah I didn’t know you agreed with me. People on here explain everything a Muslim does through Islam (or rather the jihadwatch cartoon Islam)
And thanks for proving me right on the Taqqiya! , you guys are so easy to predict.
Angemon says
“Does Islamic law allow for Muslims to have Christian friends?”
Take it to Msgr. Jean Benjamin Sleiman – those are his words, not mine. In any case, and seeing the obvious “Gotcha” miles away, I’ll point out that whether or not Saddam considered him a friend only saddam knows. Perhaaps you should ask him, hmmmmm?…
“Yeah I didn’t know you agreed with me.”
I didn’t know you were such a scatterbrain to the point you fail to realize when I’m quoting you, even though I made it very clear with the, you know, quotation marks and italic…
“People on here explain everything a Muslim does through Islam”
Citation needed. Please point me to someone saying that urinating or defecating is something muslims do because islam mandates them instead of them being normal biological functions.
“And thanks for proving me right on the Taqqiya! , you guys are so easy to predict.”
You”re welcome. It felt like you were desperate so I saw you talking about taqqyia and threw you a bone… Doesn’t change the fact that you’re a dishonest agent with an agenda to push, though…
peter says
Robert’s support and sympathy for unghurs is very confusing to me . As he has repeatedly warned us quite correctly that is no democracy in Islam only allacracy.or Mohamedcracy. If unhers become an independent nation it would be a big host to ISIS which is diametrically opposed all democracies .It could signal the beginning of a caliphate and the beginning of the end of all that we stand for in the west and rest of the world .
We should not do the same foolish mistake Regan did in supporting the mujahuddins and Akaida in the name of fighting against atheist communist Russia in Afghanistan . That very short sighted and stupid policy has led to a world catastrophe for which wee are still paying . Let us not follow Regan. In this situation and similar situation in Myanmar . Silence is noble
gravenimage says
Christine Douglass-Williams is pointing out Muslim hypocrisy, which I think is a valid topic.
In no way is this article lauding Uighur Muslims waging Jihad against the Chinese.