It has become commonplace among Leftists — not just Ilhan Omar — to claim that “white men” are a greater threat than jihad terrorists. (They say nothing about white jihad terrorists.) We have debunked this claim many times here at Jihad Watch, and here is another able takedown of this enduringly popular Big Lie.
“WALSH: Ilhan Omar Claims White Men ‘Cause Most Of The Deaths’ In America. She’s Wrong. Here Are The Facts.” By Matt Walsh, Daily Wire, July 25, 2019:
Imbecilic bigot Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) claimed in a recently resurfaced interview on Qatari propaganda network Al Jazeera that Americans should be “fearful” of white men who are “causing most of the deaths within this country.” These racist and blatantly false comments came in response to a question about Islamophobia. The interviewer asked if Islamophobia might be the result of a reasonable fear people have about Islamic terrorism. Omar could have responded that we shouldn’t fear anyone based on race, ethnicity, or religion, and that each person should be judged according to his or her own merits — but instead, she took the opportunity to fear monger about the dreaded white man.
“I would say our country should be more fearful of white men across our country because they are actually causing most of the deaths within this country,” Omar said. “And so if fear was the, the driving force of policies to keep America safe — Americans safe inside of this country — we should be profiling, monitoring, and creating policies to fight the radicalization of white men.”…
It is often claimed, and not just by Omar, that white people are responsible for most of the domestic terrorism in America. The most common source cited for this claim is a 2017 Government Accountability Office report that found that more people have been killed by right-wing terrorists than by Islamic terrorists. How did they arrive at that conclusion? Here’s a relevant passage from the report:
…of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far-right politics violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73%) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27%). The total number of fatalities is 106 for far right violent extremists and 119 for radical Islamist violent extremists over the approximately 15-year period. However, 52% of the deaths attributable to radical Islamist violent extremists occurred in a single event — an attack on the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Florida in 2016.
In order to make “far-right violent extremists” the deadliest, one has to compile his aggregate numbers beginning on September 12, 2001. That seems an oddly specific date. Why not start on January 1, 2001? How about January 1, 2000? Isn’t it easier and cleaner to look at the numbers over the past 20 years, since the beginning of the new century? Well, the reason for starting on September 12, 2001 is obvious — it excludes the deadliest terror attack in American history, which was carried out by Islamic extremists. In other words, if we arbitrarily ignore the 3,000 people radical Islamists killed in one day, then Muslim terrorists have recently killed fewer people than have right-wing extremists. This is a bit like tabulating the total number of people drowned in shipwrecks except for anyone who happened to drown on April 15, 1912.
If you want to know about shipwrecks, it seems the Titanic ought to be a prominent part of that analysis. Similarly, any analysis of terrorism in the United States must obviously include the most devastating terror attack this country has ever experienced. But here’s the kicker: Even if you did begin your tabulation on September 12, 2001, deaths by Islamic terrorism still dwarf all other categories because over 1,000 people have died from illnesses tied to 9/11 in the intervening years. Or do they also not count?
Of course, if we expand our view and look at the problem on a global scale, the threat of far-right terrorism begins to look like Pluto compared to Islamic terrorism’s Jupiter. The Global Terrorism Index found 66 deaths caused by far-right groups worldwide between 2013 and 2017. It also found that 18,000 total people were killed by terrorists in just the year 2017 alone. Who do we imagine is carrying the bulk of that load? We know it’s not the far-right white men….
CRUSADER says
Contrast of Ilhan and Brigitte:
https://www.conservativedailynews.com/2019/07/ilhan-omar-and-brigitte-gabriel-the-tale-of-two-very-different-american-immigrants/
Me says
Omar is Twisted thinker. She calls good… Bad. It’s for the benefit of her terrorist supporters. Thanks to Obama bringing in a swarm of this locust. They want to terrorize America with polluted theories. A little leaven, leaveneth the whole lump.
Terry Gain says
Obama was much worse than useless but Omar came to America in 1995 when Clinton was POTUS.
Barbara Lofquist says
Most of Omar’s ‘people’ came to Minneapolis 25 years ago. They moved into about 800 units of section 8 on the former West Bank (now called Little Mogadishu) and have grown roots. They have not assimilated, built a mosque or two, are not yet self-sufficient, and have many more children than most working folks can afford. Time to cut them off of the dole.
kenolson90631 says
Ban the Muslim Brotherhood
elee says
+1 Barbara Lofquist
Frosty Wooldridge says
You cannot reason with a Somali with an average IQ of 68. You might as well argue with a Teddy Bear. (Source: http://www.brainstats.com)
CRUSADER says
Ayana Hirsi Ali is fairly smart with a seemingly high IQ.
Think she got that way when she converted a way from Islam?
CRUSADER says
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/ayaan-hirsi-ali-uncommon-knowledge-islam-west/
Uncommon Knowledge: Ayaan Hirsi Ali on the West, Dawa, and Islam
=============
( August 8, 2017 )
Ayaan Hirsi Ali joins me to discuss her new book, “The Challenge of Dawa: Political Islam as Ideology and Movement and How to Contain It”, and her views on the challenges facing Western civilization in regards to political Islam. She argues that Islam needs to be separated into two different parts, one part of religion and the other part, political philosophy. She concedes that many aspects of the religious part of Islam are peaceful but argues that the political side is much more concerning due to its focus on Dawa, which means “to plead or to call non-Muslims to Islam.” This call to convert people to Islam is what she argues was a driving force behind the spread of Islam throughout history.
Earlier this year Ayaan Hirsi Ali was called before Congress to testify on her book. She discusses her testimony and that although she was invited by a Democrat senator to speak “about the ideology of radical Islam,” the Democrats present didn’t ask her a single question because they were likely uncomfortable with what she had to say about Islam. She argues that just as Western civilizations have defeated dangerous ideologies in the past, she is optimistic that Western civilization will succeed against political Islam for, as she says, “[Jihadis] can’t destroy us without permission.” She says if we take the fight to the “battlefield of ideas,” we can defeat radical Islamic ideologies with Western beliefs.
Video:
https://youtu.be/Bx2hEc7Dlcg
elee says
Thanks Crusader for the link. Well worth the time to watch and listen.
FYI says
“fairly smart with a seemingly high IQ”
That pretty much explains WHY any sensible muslim leaves islam.
They have seen through the baloney.
They have figured it out.
CRUSADER says
Is that why Irshad “72 raisins” Manji has presumably stayed within the confines of Islam?
mortimer says
Since Mohammed began his raids, one person has been killed by jihadists every THREE MINUTES, for a grand total of 270 million killed by jihadists.
Jihad-terrorism is an ideology with about 1.5 billion people who nominally believe it, although only 15% of Muslims or about 200,000,000 actually claim to approve of jihad-terrorism.
Ilhan Omar sidesteps giving a straight answer, because she is one of those who supports jihad-terrorism.
James Lincoln says
The US population is around 327 million.
Think of 270 million people killed by jihadists as about 82.5% of the US population.
Unbelievable.
mortimer says
Will no one in the Dem Party denounce her for overt racism?
CRUSADER says
Ayaan Hirsi Ali on Islamophobia:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GteiHCL7gC4
Krishna says
Jihadism has no race all are equal
CRUSADER says
All equally DELUSIONAL….
But some more so than others, a la “Animal Farm”!
tgusa says
No one will denounce this the entire democrat party has a hatred of white men and boys. The only white men in the dem party are creeps, the brainless and hangers on. You know, people you would not want to be around. Dem opinions of white men stem from their relationship with dem white men. The dem party knows nothing about non dem white men. Non dem white men don’t associate with them and vice versa. I have really had enough of the dems and to me there is only two ways to proceed, civil war or amicable divorce. I prefer divorce. If we don’t separate young white males will suffer increasing bigotry and I for one cannot allow that to continue. Think about it and you will find that is the right thing to do as they will never stop and will only get worse. We are past the point where this can be put back together.
CRUSADER says
Come to Galt Gulch, as Ayn Rand said…
https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/
The AMERICAN REDOUBT !
https://radiofreeredoubt.com/about/what-is-the-american-redoubt/
tgusa says
Thanks CRUSADER. On my way! Just searching for the right home.
tgusa says
I read the Charles Caroll Society Article and believe me that made me feel a whole lot better. Honestly, I have been concerned that I wouldn’t be welcomed due to where I was coming from but he states that those of us coming out of the birthplace of modern American conservatism are really appreciated up there. Very glad you directed me to that site. Thank you.
CRUSADER says
Only the best for the best!
Rarely says
It’s possible to have figures mean whatever you want them to mean. After all “figures lie and liars figure”.
However, it is a fact that White Supremacists can be a very violent bunch as evidenced by the El Paso massacre. Such “incidents” give idiots like Ilhan Omar cannon fodder.
Which was worse, Communism or Nazism? I guess it depends on which one killed your family members.
Terry Gain says
Being opposed to illegal immigration does not make one a white supremacist. Believing that mass murder will win support for your position makes one insane.
What are the names of these white supremacist groups people claim are such a threat.
Carolyne says
It is true that white supremacists can be a violent bunch but for the most part those who commit attrocities are loners who do not mingle with the prevailing society. In contrast, Jihadists are part of a millions strong cult called Islam which requires violence against non-cult members. Their belief that a phoney God will reward them in the afterlife for these murders is their motivation, whereas non-Muslim civilized people condemn them..
Angemon says
Numbers I pointed out here a couple or so of weeks ago, when discussing this issue…
Mr. Cohen says
It is Muslims, not white men, who want to completely
destroy the only country in the Middle East that values
democracy and human rights, even though this would
inflict another Holocaust on the Jewish people,
and most of the survivors would become homeless
refugees, with no country willing to take them in —
[for fear of offendign Muslims] — which is
almost exactly the situation why the
modern state of Israel was founded in 1948.
===================================
Lord Ian Livingston of England said:
“Whilst the Israeli Defense Forces are not
perfect, the obsession of focusing on them
despite being the most moral and professional
army in the Middle East is very strange.”
SOURCE: Ten Baroness Tonge
Pilloried at House of Lords Session She Initiated
on Israel’s Treatment of Palestinian Children
by Benjamin Kerstein, 2019 July 8
http://www.algemeiner.com/2019/07/08/itiated-on-israels-treatment-of-palestinian-children/
Wellington says
Another fact: White adult men in America account for some 20-25% of the American population. By comparison, ALL Muslims in America account for a mere 1-2% of the population and yet Muslims in America are responsible for some 25% of terrorist acts in America since September 12th, 2001—and with more lethal results (yes, Mohammedans are very good at killing and maiming, as contrasted with, say, Quakers, the Amish, Catholics, Baptists, Orthodox Jews, Hindus, Buddhists—ah, getting tired here—and how again how convenient, as Robert Spencer has noted innumerable times, that those in any way trying to present an anodyne view of Islam in America begin with THE DAY AFTER 9/11).
Added to all this (as it eminently and accurately should be), 1) the killer and maimer in Arizona back in January of 2011, which included among the victims a Democratic Congresswoman, Gabby Giffords; 2) the potential killer back in June of 2017 at a Republican sponsored baseball game, which resulted in a critical, life-threatening shooting to Louisiana Congressman, Steve Scalise; and 3) the very recent shooting in Dayton, Ohio by another coward—were all done by Leftists, even though the MSM will virtually not mention this all the while they try to portray President Trump as the hater and white men as the “real problem.”
A more phony world would be deuce difficult to construct. But right now the suicidal Western Left is doing its best, whether in America, Canada, the UK, France, et al. to construct this very thing—and a horribly wrong “thing” it is.
Wellington says
Correction: “…President Trump as the hater and right-wing white men as the “real problem.”
Yes, “right-wing” is key here because it is the intent of the media and academia to contend that only those white men on the Far Right are the problem.
Well, there are many deadly problems out there—left-wing white males, right-wing white males, young black males in American cities killing other young black males in huge amounts, Muslims aplenty out-of-control whether in Africa, the Middle East, et al.
No Fear says
Ilhan Omar has failed to use “per capita” figures. Of course white males account for more terrorist events OVERALL, there are more white males than any other group! Muslims are 1% of the population yet on average are responsible for 12% of terror events. That is way above white men on a per capita basis. Omar appears to be talking to those who are incapable of understanding simple math. Why am I not surprised at that. It is impossible to argue with someone who cannot understand simple maths, even attempting to do so is “racist” according to them.
mortimer says
Thank you, Wellington. “Many great errors may be avoided by counting.” – Samuel Johnson
Even good statisticians can make errors and so they check and re-check their own methodologies and conclusions.
mortimer says
Note again that Muslims are overrepresented NINE TIMES in American prisons. Muslims are only 1% of the US population but they are 9.5% of the American PRISON POPULATION!!!
Which group is more dangerous? The Muslims … more than NINE TIMES MORE DANGEROUS. Mormons are the LEAST CRIMINAL and LEAST DANGEROUS group in the US population.
CRUSADER says
Isn’t Ibrahim Hooper of CAIRless
a white supremacist terroristic fascist?
https://www.cair.com/national_board_and_staff
CRUSADER says
Wonderfully apt word —
ANODYNE:
not likely to provoke dissent or offense; inoffensive, often deliberately so.
Thank you, Wellington, for utilizing it descriptively.
Lydia Church says
If islamic terrorists were mostly white, then you could say yeah.
But since they’re not, then that would be a no.
But her being racist is given a green light of course.
Behold! The new target: the white man.
gravenimage says
…of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far-right politics violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73%) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27%).
………………………
Firstly, as noted, leaving 9/11 out of this equation is ludicrous–but still, let’s go with their own figures.
This means that whites–since when were all actions by whites “far right”?–make up about 2-1/2 times the number of Muslim “incidents”.
But whites make up a majority of Americans, whereas Muslims make up less than 1%. This means that even by their own figures–iffy as they are–that Muslims are *many times* more dangerous than are white Americans. (never mind that these groups also overlap, as in the Tsarnaev brothers).
So this impresses only those who are either not paying attention, or who have a false ideological ax to grind.
No Fear says
Yes GI, see my comment above re per capita math.
CRUSADER says
GI
Excellent logic.
Particularly, with regard to demographics and statistics.
Has anyone followed up on the facts about the nebulous Las Vegas killer who used bump stocks?
Terry Gain says
Those not paying attention include FBI Director Christopher Wray.
gravenimage says
Thank you, No Fear and CRUSADER.
RodSerling says
Did Matt Walsh read what he quoted? Why doesn’t he note that, even if we use that faulty comparison and start the time frame at Sept 12, 2001, according to the report the number of people killed by Islamic terrorists (119) still exceeds that of right-wing terrorists (106).
gravenimage says
Also true, Rod (and that’s assuming tat these were all “right wing”)..
elee says
Send her back!
Terry Gain says
Omar is an American citizen. She can’t be sent back.
elee says
But I can still advocate it, and thousands of people can chant it any time they like. I suppose we could also chant “lock her up,” she’s done enough already, but DOJ isn’t particularly interested. Oh and she probably lied a lot on her way to citizenship, but that doesn’t seem to interest much of anyone either.
Brian Hoff says
If your than good thing I didn’t enter that walmark on that Saturday where that white terrorist murder in cold blood 22 people and wound over 26 people in El Paso tx.. Hangout for 4 hours outside of Barson Noble bookstore watch law enforcement travel pass me.
gravenimage says
“Brian hoff”–really, “DefenderofIslam”–has said many times that he and his fellow Muslims plan on destroying the Constitution and imposing Shari’ah law on us when they have numbers great enough to do so.
CRUSADER says
GI —
He seems to have altered his moniker slightly. Does that mitigate his ill effect?
When I see his posts I think of the Meinhof gang…
gravenimage says
Hi, CRUSADER. I just like to point out what his role here really is–his old username says it all.
Mobuyus says
White men may very well be the greatest threat to jihadi terrorists.
CRUSADER says
HOOYAH!
Georg says
While we’re remembering that the victims of 9/11 count, let’s also acknowledge that Muslims comprise less than 1% of the population and compare that against the 4,000 or so who have perished due to that day’s attacks. But of course, the truth isn’t what leftists are dealing in, so it’s a fool’s errand to try and convince someone of an argument they’re only feigning interest in. Omar’s is a racist statement not a concern. She is quite seriously angry at Americans for 9/11.
John Hawk says
If the white man would just disappear, then all with be right with the world. Right? Peace, puppies, and love dumplings. Yeah, the evidence for that is everywhere.
CRUSADER says
Sounds like Islamic paradise, sans the 72 raisins….
lebel says
Islam is not a race (or so I’m told) so welcome to the white man!
Relic says
b%
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdZ0x5823sE
elee says
It is white men, among others, who protect her sorry ass from punishment for exposing her face and going about unescorted.
CRUSADER says
He seems to have altered his moniker slightly. Does that mitigate his ill effect?
When I see his posts I think of the Meinhof gang…
lebel says
“These racist and blatantly false comments came in response to a question about Islamophobia. The interviewer asked if Islamophobia might be the result of a reasonable fear people have about Islamic terrorism. Omar could have responded that we shouldn’t fear anyone based on race, ethnicity, or religion, and that each person should be judged according to his or her own merits — but instead, she took the opportunity to fear monger about the dreaded white man.”
I totally agree with this but judging someone based on their religion is what jihadwatch does all the time.
CRUSADER says
That’s because Islam needs overwatch.
Muslims need supervision.
Hate to break the news, lebel, but Islam isn’t a religion — only a fabricated ideology.
Listen to what Jay Smith has to say….
lebel says
Right, so a reworded version would be something like:
“Omar could have responded that we shouldn’t fear anyone based on race, ethnicity, or religion, and that each person should be judged according to his or her own merits – with the exception of Muslim given what we known about Islam- but instead, she took the opportunity to fear monger about the dreaded white man.”
I think most people on here would now agree with the proposition.
gravenimage says
lebel is pretending that the beliefs one embraces have nothing to do with their behavior. Would he say something so obviously absurd about fascism or white supremacism?
Demsci says
Lebel, you say: judging someone based on their religion is what Jihad Watch does all the time.
I think that authors and posters on JW DO fear and judge persons based on their religion. It may be a vexed question if this is justified. But while RS says that Omar “could have said something about not fearing/ judging a person based on race, ethnicity or religion” he himself would never fear/ judge a person based on race and ethnicity. But based on religion, maybe he WOULD fear/ judge a person.
This because of his enormous knowledge about Islamic holy texts and history. And because he and most of us here acknowledge that to distinguish “Friend from Enemy Muslims” is well nigh impossible. And while that is undoable, we do know what happens with human rights and democratic values in Muslim majority countries.
We just don’t know how many Muslims will assist Islamic terrorists against Democratic forces in Democratic countries, in a war situation. But we do have evidence and logic that suggests that many if not most Muslims choose Ummah over country.
And NOT acting on significant risks by politicians, police and media is dereliction of duty, tantamount to treason, whether it is in a lazy or political motivated way. The value of being watchful trumps the value of people being innocent until proven guilty where the choice of religion or ideology is concerned. We also distrusted declared Nazi’s and Communists, didn’t we? And whereas there are people who denounce others as Nazi’s and Communists, who are not that, in the case of Muslims it is a binary choice; one is a Muslim or one is not.
And I for one do hold an adult person accountable for his/ her choice of religion or ideology. This is very important. The assumed friendly Muslims still pose a threat by not making it clear and credible whose side they would be on in a religious, democratic-dictatorial conflict.
AND religion is a choice whereas race or ethnicity are accidents of birth.
So yes, fearing and judging citizens of or immigrants into democratic nations based on religion seems valid to me. And the more so after the Muslims having ever more sizable numbers. Much higher than the numbers of Nazi’s, Communists (or say “Satanists”)
lebel says
Right so we agree that this article proposed something which jihadwatch and jihadwatchers oppose. Thanks for your honesty, it’s like pulling teeth on here.
Terry Gain says
Islam has a doctrine and history of supremacism, totalitarianism and conquest. This is what we judge your so-called religion on.
ninetyninepct says
9 / 11 – all I needed to know about Islam.
Chand says
Yeah, the numbers and statistic and everything’s fine and are true but these ‘white men’ with these deadly assault rifles are coming thick and fast now. Bloody nightmare!
lebel says
I think the jihadwatch position is “come back when you have 33,000 acts of terror by white men since 200!”
To which you might reply : “yes but are we counting invading countries and bombing them to bits like in Iraq?”
They might reply: “nope, only acts of violence committed by irregular armed groups”
There’s an added problem in that the jihadwatch methodology considers just about every act of violence ever committed by anyone with a Muslim name to be terrorism/jihad (the so-called 1400 years of jihad) whereas the criteria for white male terrorism is very very very very narrow. It’s the same with genocide, for example the BDS movement is considered genocidal by jihadwatch:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/02/over-100-links-discovered-between-jihad-terror-groups-and-bds-promoting-ngos
However the actual genocide of Bosnians is considered the “genocide that never was” by Robert Spencer
So we should take this clear tendency towards double standards into account.
CogitoErgoSum says
Where can I go to read the up on the ideology of these white man terrorists? If so, I will read it and I will condemn it and speak out in opposition of it. If it’s “Mein Kampf” — I condemn the hate in it just as stronlgy as I condemn the hate in the Quran.
lebel says
It’s an extreme form of nationalism or ethnocentrism. It’s not limited to white people of course and it is not a general tendency. This is why it is unfair to target “white men” as if the group in general is a threat.
Of course it is also unfair when done to Muslims but this is jihadwatch so we know that it’s OK when do Muslims but unfair when done to other groups.
Angemon says
“This is why it is unfair to target “white men” as if the group in general is a threat.
Of course it is also unfair when done to Muslims”
Ah, so skin colour, an attribute one has no saying in, is comparable to religion, an ideology one chooses to believe in. Got it. Funny: I don’t remember any white murder saying “I’m doing this because my skin colour commands me” but I do remember muslim murderers saying “I do this because my religion commands me”. But, you know, skin colour, ideology – all the same, right? No need to look at a group suspiciously just because they profess to believe in an ideology that mandates warfare against members of other religions – unfair, right?
CogitoErgoSum says
Well, if I could find a book that contains what these white supremacists believe, I would oppose all those men who held that book to be holy. Such men would be despicable in my opinion. If they disavowed the book then I would think of them differently. I think the Quran sets forth some very despicable ideas and anyone who follows those ideas is despicable. “Mein Kampf” is a despicable book; those who glorify it are despicable. The Quran is despicable; those who glorify it are despicable. I don’t see where I am being inconsistent. I am not advocating rounding up and killing Nazis and Muslims (because that would be despicable) but I can’t see encouraging the spread of their ideology and the rise in their numbers in my country either. It just so happens most Nazis are white and most Muslims are not — and that opens me up to charges of racism.
gravenimage says
“Whiteness” does not preach violence. Islam certainly does, though.
Angemon says
“There’s an added problem in that the jihadwatch methodology considers just about every act of violence ever committed by anyone with a Muslim name to be terrorism/jihad ”
Says the guy who, in an article where Robert Spencer’s opening statement was:
replied with:
lebel says
Yup no link to Islam, I’m not saying he’s a Muslim, I will just post it on jihadwatch and let my readers draw their own conclusions taking into account that the media and political establishment is protecting Islam is wide ranging conspiracy (see jihadwatch and Incel attacks in Toronto as well as car attack in Munster).
Plausible deniability, how does it work?
Angemon says
“Plausible deniability, how does it work?”
Again: Mr. Spencer: “there’s no indication this was an act of jihad”. You “It is important to link this attack to Islam which is exactly what RS did”. It takes a seriously insane – or head-deep into conspiratorial nonsense – individual to claim “there’s no indication this was an act of jihad” means “link this attack to islam”.
Of course, you’ll never admit your bias, although it’s clear for everyone else…
A_M_Swallow says
So the property of the devil are using lies to steal power and get away with evil actions.
As Jesus said the Devil is the father of lies (John 8:44)
CRUSADER says
Veritas!
Keys says
And “Allah” said he is the greatest of deceivers.
Not many dots to connect !
Vann Boseman says
Very astute observations and great analysis!!
BegrensEuropa! says
The agenda of Ilhan Omar is the agenda of the Muslim Brotherhood or Islam generally: establishment of a global caliphate. Everything else is subservient to that goal, including the truth.
adrian says
whites are a bigger threat than jihadists? Whites make up 76.5% of US population, Muslims make up 0.8%. So a population 95.6 times as big as the Muslim population, only carries out 3 times as many attacks as a population 1/95th the size !! And the Muslims still kill more anyway ! Why arent they carrying out 95 times as many attacks ? Who is the bigger threat ? If you had Muslim Gas, that took your car 1 mile for 80cents, or American Gas that took your car 3 miles for $76 (95x as much), which is the better “bang for your buck”??
Jedothek says
The remarks of some “progressives” show that they think that “Muslims are a threat” and “white men are a threat” are on the same level. Saying this shows that their minds are so crude that they cannot rise above the level of racial politics to contemplate religion.
To say “blacks are a threat” is (ordinarily) a racist statement because it seems to imply that a particular race innately has some bad characteristic, in this case presumably a propensity to violence. But a religion is ( in part ) a system of ideas. These ideas can have consequences . When Albigensians were being killed in the south of France in the 13th century, part of the cause was Christianity ( though perhaps not anything that Jesus of Nazareth said).
Therefore to suggest that Muslims are a threat cannot be logically countered by trying to unload blame onto a race. Rather the ideas in Islam must be examined and evaluated by reference to authoritative texts.
Of course, if you are just a dumb racist, this will be beyond your capacity.
Carolyne says
I’d say it is Muslim men who come in various colors who are responsible for the murders taking place the world over, all in hopes of sex orgies in the afterlife.
ninetyninepct says
How is it possible that one person can have so much hatred? Oh, sorry – Muslim. Answered my own question.
lebel says
“but I do remember muslim murderers saying “I do this because my religion commands me”. But, you know, skin colour, ideology – all the same, right? No need to look at a group suspiciously just because they profess to believe in an ideology that mandates warfare against members of other religions – unfair, right?”
Yeah so I am saying that just because a Muslim murderer said his religion commands him to do X we should not blame all Muslims. I know it’s a crazy idea for you.
So if white men decided to kill non-whites (like what happened a couple of decades ago) then it still would not be right to say that white men are this or that.
CogitoErgoSum says
I say take at look at what they hold to be holy and decide if it’s worth fighting for or against.
Demsci says
Oh, Islam apologists and MSM and Hollywood actors (Ben Affleck) and all sorts of well meaning people have told Islamo aware people for ever: “Do not paint all Muslims with the same brush”, do not blame all Muslims for the deeds of a few”.
Angemon says
“Yeah so I am saying that just because a Muslim murderer said his religion commands him to do X we should not blame all Muslims. I know it’s a crazy idea for you. ”
You are correct – it is a crazy idea for me (not for you, though) because I never – not even once – suggested that because one muslim does one thing you should blame all muslims. Of course, this is just another of your strawman – trying to ascribe me something I never said.
Now, lebel, answer me this: does the islamic religion mandates warfare against non-muslims on the grounds of their religion? Yes or no? I suspect you’ll ignore this question the same way you ignore facts and logic
“So if white men decided to kill non-whites (like what happened a couple of decades ago) then it still would not be right to say that white men are this or that.”
Again: I don’t remember any white murderer saying “I’m doing this because my skin colour commands me”. I do, however, remember muslim murderers saying “I do this because my religion commands me”. You are trying to mix physical characteristics – skin colour – which are beyond the control of the individual with ideologies – islam – which requires willing action from the individual.
Again, because you seem to be having issues in understanding thee core concept:
Physical characteristics like race: individuals have no control over.
Believing in an ideology such as islam: individuals choose to do it or not.
MJP says
I am so sick of this Bigoted Racist heifer saying what ever she wants that divides the country & never gets in any kind of trouble.
UNCLE VLADDI says
tRashida Tlaiban said on Twitter, here:
https://twitter.com/AlDajjal1/status/1158888498222501890?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Rashida Tlaib Verified account Aug 5
“Comparing Palestinian human rights advocates to terrorist white nationalists is fundamentally a lie. Palestinians want equality, human dignity & to stop the imprisonment of children. White supremacy is calling for the *domination* of one race w/ the use of violence.”
So Our Man Dajjal replied with various uncomfortable truths about islam, to wit:
“Human Rights: to invade, conquer, plunder, rape and enslave the rest of the world. Those rights are set forth din the Qur’an & hadith. Your Profiteer’s caliph invaded Israel in 635, completing the conquest in 638. Israel threw off their oppressors.”
More should be added, like this; concerning the second part of her screed:
Re: “White supremacy is calling for the *domination* of one race w/ the use of violence” – should be addressed with Moe’s own official quotes about how ABDs (blacks) are only fit to be enslaved by Arabs, fit for the fire, etc!
And “White is a race, not an ideology; it has no supremacy mandate. Arab is a race, but Islam is a war machine, not a race. It’s supremacism, “to make it superior”, is against all other races, religions and cultures.”
Not to mention, besides which, advocating for “White Supremacism!” is like advocating for “Sky-is-Blue-ism!” and that, if it wasn’t for fear of all the lesser races’ constant and insanely jealous politicasl demands for supremacy over whites, nobody would ever feel they would have to bother to point out such a commonplace and obvious, readily discernible, everyday scientific factual truth LOL!
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elee says
Interesting discussions above about “race” and “religion.” They contain the assumption that religion is something one chooses voluntarily, which has been true in the west for a few centuries but never under Islam: if one is born Muslim he memorises the Koran as a child and if he tries to freely choose any other religion Muslims kill him. If one chooses Islam, even on pain of “convert or die,” then renouncing this choice is also one’s death warrant. Sort of like Islamic democracy: one man, one vote, once. Oh and don’t get the idea Ilhan Omar’s hatred for white men is not mainstream Islam. Isn’t “white devils” at the heart of Islam’s recruiting pitch to everyone but white men?
CogitoErgoSum says
Elee, that’s an interesting observation. So the religion of Islam is like a physical trait that is passed along through a person’s DNA and changing that trait is impossible without resulting in death and, therefore, thinking that a person can change his Muslim religion as easily as changing his mind is racist. I have to admit I had not thought of it that way before. It seems to me that would work for any person born into any religion and a Muslim would be a racist if he criticized another person because of his religion. The Quran criticizes other religions throughout the entire book … so it must be a book teaching racism. But wait, no other religion demands its followers to kill those who leave the religion and, therefore, those other religions are NOT like an inherited trait that will kill you. That’s a mind bender. A religion such as Islam is like a hereditary trait that can kill you. Seems like an inherited disease to me that needs a cure.