“People jump to that conclusion. But the people who very bravely responded were quick to point out they weren’t jumping to that conclusion, and it does look much more like a mental health come [sic] drugs problem come unhappy messed-up life, sad loner rather than somebody who was motivated by extremist ideas. The police will check it out very thoroughly.”
Yet he “had a USB full of terror propaganda.” Why do Australian authorities believe that if Mert Nay had mental health issues, he couldn’t be a jihadi? Why couldn’t a believing Muslim who has mental health problems try to cure himself by acting upon the Qur’an’s promise to “heal the hearts” of Muslims who wage jihad against non-Muslims? “Fight them; Allah will punish them by your hands and will disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the hearts of a believing people” (Qur’an 9:14-15).
The “experts” never consider questions of that kind. Perhaps they think that to do so would be “Islamophobic.” In any case, they confine their analysis to the most superficial level, which renders their conclusions worse than useless.
“When you meet the unbelievers, strike the necks…” (Qur’an 47:4)
These “experts” are reminiscent of the imbecilic “terror expert” Max Abrahms, who insists that jihadis are “ignorant about Islam.”
“Experts say knifeman behind Sydney rampage was not a terrorist,” News.com.au, August 14, 2019:
The knifeman behind yesterday’s stabbing rampage had a USB full of terror propaganda, but he wasn’t a terrorist, experts say.
Mert Ney, 20, ran through the streets of the Sydney CBD yesterday afternoon wearing a balaclava and brandishing a knife after allegedly slashing the throat of a sex worker near Wynyard station.
He was apprehended by good Samaritans after earlier escaping from a mental health facility.
Ney, who has a long history of mental illness, spent Tuesday night under police guard at Prince of Wales Hospital in Randwick. He is yet to be charged but is facing murder charges as well as potential terrorism charges.
But police and experts say while the attack has all the hallmarks of terrorism, and the offender was carrying a thumb drive with terror propaganda, the offender is likely not a terrorist.
Deakin University terrorism expert Professor Greg Barton says he can see why people “jump to conclusions”.
“Yeah, it’s an understandable response and the fact that we have video of him yelling ‘Allahu Akbar’,” he told the Today show.
“People jump to that conclusion. But the people who very bravely responded were quick to point out they weren’t jumping to that conclusion, and it does look much more like a mental health come [sic] drugs problem come unhappy messed-up life, sad loner rather than somebody who was motivated by extremist ideas. The police will check it out very thoroughly.”
“What we appear to have is someone attempting suicide by police and they wanted to go out by a blaze of glory,” Prof Barton said.
“Apparently, there was reference to the Christchurch attack and other attacks, he may have been inspired to do something by what happened there.
“That doesn’t mean that he internalised those ideas.”
NSW Police Commissioner Mick Fuller described Ney as a “lone actor” and said early inquiries found he may have held some concerning ideologies, but the incident was not terror related….
Ren says
Slitting throat in the name of an evil ideology islam is not terrorism while the heart of islam is about terrorizing non-muslims.
Sahih Muslim
Abu Huraira reported:
The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commissioned with words which are concise but comprehensive in meaning; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies)…
mortimer says
Yes, this was terrorism and the internet material he had collected showed the attacks were IDEOLOGICALLY MOTIVATED by Islam’s 164 jihad verses and sermons by modern jihad preachers.
Hint to the police commanders : It’s the IDEOLOGY, stupid. You know it is.
mortimer says
I sympathize with the police and realize that most of them are somewhat aware about Islamic jihad ideology, but they may not say so.
Perhaps the police might rephrase it diplomatically rather than deny that ISLAMIC TERROR is caused by ISLAMIC IDEOLOGY.
Police could simply say that so-and-so appeared motivated by ‘a supremacist ideology’ without naming that well-known ideology.
David says
POLICE WILL NOT ADMIT THAT ISLAM IS A SUPREMACIST IDEOLOGY (Caps on by mistake) Muhammad was a white man, so he was a white supremacist.
Rufolino says
Good Heavens, it’s only five minutes ago that authorities everywhere insisted that Islamic terror attacks had “nothing to do with Islam” !
David says
The police are beginning to look stupid. Who do they think they are fooling?
Warren Raymond says
Deakin University terrorism expert Professor Greg Barton says he can see why people “jump to conclusions”.
“Deakin University terrorism expert Professor Greg Barton” is the go-to expert on speed dial for everything Islamic whenever theres another attack. There is reason to believe that the good prof is also a convert to Islam, which he carefully conceals. But his defense of the cult and his constant apologies by twisting himself into a pretzel has become a real shit show.
Greg Barton is an embarrassment who should be shunned.
gravenimage says
Thanks.
Westman says
From the perspective of what is normal in the West, any Muslim that completely complies to the demands of Quran and Sunnah would appear insane; that is, orthodox Muslims are insane and easily become jihadis.
College graduates learn to fly a plane and kill 3000, more like 5000, if we count the early deaths of responders and exposed citizens. Throwing education and life away = insanity.
Islam is a mind worm that will, like a parasite, take over the host for its own purpose. The Quran should be viewed as more dangerous than Mein Kampf and the works of Karl Marx. It joins communism(Zakat) to eternal carnal rewards and creates an “escape hatch” to leave life with a reward for dying while killing unbelievers. So every believing Muslim has an incentive to succeed to Jannah regardless of any past failures if he can die a martyr – which will, of course, appear insane to any Westerner.
juleonly says
Believing the Qur’an?Hadiths makes mental illness. Haven’t any of these nonMuslim apologists read it or listened to any sermons? How can they say anything about the Subject if they are so ignorant of it. That like me designing a rocket to the moon and endangering peoples lives just because I imagine I must know all about it & have ‘authority’.
gravenimage says
Too few Infidels have read the Qur’an and Hadiths. Many I have spoken to *refuse* to read them, but still insist that Islam is a “religion of peace”. Willful denial.
No Muzzies Here says
Although the fervent practice of Islam is hard to distinguish from insanity, because they both lead to the harm of self and others, this is not insanity. Insanity is not spread by violence, intimidation and murder.
The answer lies in the fact that insane people are not a political unit. They do not vote as a block, and they certainly do not support candidates financially. So murderers are called insane so as to avoid angering the other group.
Herb says
The book of Quran and Imams need to be destroyed once and for all. And it will be destroyed by God has sent the message loud and clear that we are in the last days and the War is coming to a town near you. Don’t take any government to tell you what to do, as long as you don’t infringe on anyone else’s rights. The Politicians don’t follow the Constitution. That same Constitution that was written 200 years ago was the laws to hold the Government in check, but now has been turned around to control the People not the Criminal Politicians. These laws are for the government not People, it is the only thing we have to stop the Government from being despotic and ruthless against the People. Force the people in Office to follow the Constitution or get out of the government. We are their boss not the other way around. Congress has evolved outside of the Constitution and have been evading all the stops that the Constitution has placed on them and needs to be restored.
Rod says
Meanwhile, about 50 people were murdered in the US today, by people with guns, who were not shouting allahu akbar. More were probably killed with knives, clubs, fists.
No cause for concern. Let’s focus on Australia. Or Sweden. Or Tanzania. Or Kazakhstan. Anywhere except where the mad slaughter continues, and where obvious amendments to some of the most stupid laws on the planet could make a huge change for the better.
Sorry folks, but every word is true. I suppose you’ll carry on with your obsessions, nonetheless.
mgoldberg says
Some 280,000,000 people have been slaughtered by the religion of pieces over 1400 yrs. The continuation of slavery is a direct result of the laws of the religion of pieces. The idea that individual liberty and freedoms are sacrosanct is derided by the religion of pieces. Also, they are derided by the other tyrannic utopianisms, specifically the one’s who support the religion of pieces in the similar desire to end those ideas. There are of course other issues to consider and discuss, however, the ‘Jihad’ and it’s effect upon every nation that welcomes the religion of pieces and then denies the principles of sharia that bring forth homicidism in every place where it lands seems not to interest you. You call it and those who wish to consider the effects of Jihad upon nations, peoples, rights and liberties as, how did you put it…… obsessed? My my, what insight.
gravenimage says
Again, “Rod” wants us Kuffar’ to ignore the mushrooming Jihad against us which is preached by Islam. Nothing to see you here, you ‘filthy Infidels’!
Mark Thompson says
Hey rod, the reason you have This forum, is due to the effort of people much better than you. Our guns have kept the US free from foreign invasion for 200 years .
carpediadem says
Oddly enough, this site is all about jihad, has always been about jihad and therefore focuses on jihad, wherever it occurs.
If you’re obsessed with other forms of terrorism/mass murder etc, set up your own site and post accordingly.
Henry Mansfield says
This website has an international following.
While the 50 murders a day in the US everyday stat isn’t germane to the discussion here, I have seen people get an education in being politically incorrect when the offer to go into more detail is accepted.
CogitoErgoSum says
The topic here is Jihad. If the event being reported relates to that topic why does it matter where the event took place? You can pick an event in the U.S. such as the El Paso shooting and discuss it but if you can’t make a connection between it and Jihad you would be at the wrong website. Some people like to discuss poetry or music or just the weather. Should all discussion be shut down on everything except what you think is important, Rod?
BTW, Jihad has been killing a lot, and I mean a lot, of people over the past 1,400 years and I don’t see that it will be going away anytime soon. Do you think that it will just be forgotten in the next 10 or 20 years? If so, why? Care to discuss it?
Paul J says
Another ignorant fool making the mistake of defending something he knows nothing about. You clowns are a dime a dozen.
Greg Zotta says
The mental illness is ISLAM.
Michael Copeland says
He struck the neck and killed an unbeliever, an unclean unchaste woman. He shouted “Allahu Akhbar!”. He was “attempting suicide by police” – to “kill and be killed”, so as to “go out by a blaze of glory” (and earn instant paradise).
Hmmm. Difficult one that.
It “was not terror related”, the police are sure.
It sounds very much that it was Islam-related, but we cannot have anyone say that, now can we?
mortimer says
So let’s make a comparison … a neo-Nazi in the United States gets a rifle and starts shooting after shouting ‘HEIL HITLER’ several times.
Surely, the media would ALL say that he was motivated by WHITE NATIONALISM or NAZISM or HITLERISM.
Why will the media not mention the MOTIVATION of jihadists which is a teaching called AL WALAA WAL BARAA, an essential and compulsory doctrine of Islam that all Muslims must believe and practice?
W-B means to hate disbelievers and have comradeship with Muslims only.
http://westindanger.com/wb/walaa-baraa.html
b.a. freeman says
thanks for that link, mortimer!
revereridesagain says
Mortimer, at this point I suspect you could get censored for “hate speech” on account of even mentioning AL WALAA WAL BARAA despite their having no idea whatever what it means.
CRUSADER says
Al Walaa wal Baraa.
Islamic Apartheid.
Essential Islamic Doctrine.
Is This the Ultimate Secret Key to Understanding Islam?
What is al Walaa wal Baraa?
Here’s an ultra easy explanation. In the West, many children play “I’m the king of the castle. You’re the dirty rascal.” The game is usually fun. Sometimes one child is on top. Sometimes another. There’s pushing and shoving, but no child is inherently better than another.
Not with al Walaa wal Baraa. According to al Walaa wal Baraa, Islamics are always the king of the castle. Everyone else is a dirty rascal – a kafir (very negative term) – and will be a kafir forever unless they convert to Islam. Kafirs are to be hated, ridiculed, humiliated forever. According to the Quran (Surah 9:5): Slay the idolaters wherever you find them.
Second explanation, more for adults, but just as easy to understand. Al Walaa wal Baraa is the doctrine of Islamic apartheid. Islamics are to have their separate socializing, free from the contamination of kafirs who tend to weaken the faith of Islamics and make them adopt the lifestyle of disbelievers. In other words, Islamics are to have a separate, parallel society.
If it were only separation, it would be one thing. But it is not enough for Islamics just to hate kafirs, they must – according to this core aspect of Islam – show disdain, and humiliate kafirs. This is established in the Quran, Hadiths, Sira, and the Tafsirs (Islamic ‘canonical commentaries’).
It is important to note that al Walaa wal Baraa is an essential doctrine – literally “essential of the faith” (usul ud-deen). This means that Islamics who do not believe and practice it cannot go to paradise. They are called hypocrites (murtad) in the Quran.
Third explanation. Al Walaa wal Baraa is Kafirophobia. It’s an obligatory doctrine of hatred directed towards kafirs and our way of life. Abdul-Latif ibn Abdur-Rahman Rahimullah, an authority in Sharia law, said, “It is not possible for someone to realize Tawheed [monotheism – the doctrine that Allah is the only God] and act upon it, and yet not be hostile against the mushrikeen [wrong worshippers]. So anyone who isn’t hostile against the mushrikeen, then it cannot be said that he acts upon Tawheed nor that he realizes it” (ad-Durar as-Saniyyah 8/167).
By the way, ad-Durar as-Saniyyah is an authoritative Salafist collection. It establishes that al Walaa wal Baraa is official Islamic teaching beyond a shadow of a doubt, and that hostility against the kafir is normative Islam, rather than some strange aberration.
In other words, al Walaa wal Baraa, an essential doctrine of Islam, is the opposite of the Golden Rule.
It’s Kafirophobia, the reverse of what Islamophobia is said to be.
Al Walaa wal Baraa is also the reverse of the modern Western concepts of tolerance, and of celebration of diversity.
In other words, Islam is inherently intolerant of any ideology other than its own. Islam celebrates uniformity and compliance.
Why doesn’t everyone know the term, al Walaa wal Baraa?
After all, millions of people in the West know the words, Quran, jihad, hijab, burka, niqab, caliphate, allahu akbar. Since al Walaa wal Baraa is an essential doctrine of Islam, wouldn’t it make sense that we all know it too? Millions of non-Islamics in the West know that devout Islamics pray 5 times a day. But what do Islamics believe, beyond Allahu Akbar (Allah is greater)?
For instance, shouldn’t we all know about the essential Islamic doctrine, al Walaa wal Baraa?
It might benefit us.
But I don’t see that it would benefit Islam if, in the West, Islamics broadcast this essential doctrine. It would go against the best-known narrative about Islam in the West: that the big threat comes from horrible Islamophobes who do not let Islamics live in peace.
……………………..
(West In Danger .com — per link above)
CRUSADER says
“Crash into me” song lyrics by Dave Matthews Band:
“….I’m the king of the castle, you’re the dirty rascal…”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=msvnmwcPdZM
tim gallagher says
I like your explanation of what islam is really all about and what is essentially wrong with it and with Muslims’ attitude, CRUSADER, when you say they are always the king of the castle and all of us non-Muslims are just dirty rascals. That’s the MUslim supremacism isn’t it. I always think of it as being the fact that Muslims are brought up to have a bad attitude, a nasty, hate-filled attitude to all of us non-Muslims. It is what is wrong with Islam and the mindset of Muslims. It’s the rotten attitude towards us non-Muslims that mortimer often points out. Most of the problems from Muslims come from this extremely bad attitude they have towards all non-Muslims. I guess I have developed a similar attitude towards Islam and Muslims over the years. To me, Islam is the worst of ideologies and they are generally the worst of people, even though they apparently get around thinking they are the best of people for some reason. Anyway, there’s no way to get along with them as we see over and over again. We’re all just supposed to submit to barbaric Islam.
Rarely says
There are two issues here, namely,
1. What is “terrorism”? The word is bandied around without any universally accepted legal definition. It may be defined quite differently under Australian Law than under American.
2. What is “insanity”? There is a difference between being “insane” and “legally insane” so as not to be responsible for an illegal act. Once again, the definitions under Australian and American Law may differ…and likely do.
The effect of not being found guilty by reason of insanity will differ from country to country but, if the offence is serious enough, may end with being placed in a mental institution for “an indeterminate term” — often life. It rarely allows the perpetrator to “walk”.
CRUSADER says
“Terrorism”
You know it when you feel it.
“Insanity”
You know it when you see or hear it.
mortimer says
Somewhat disagree with Robert Spencer who wrote: “These “experts” are reminiscent of the imbecilic “terror expert” Max Abrahms, who insists that jihadis are “ignorant about Islam.”
Max Abrahms and his ilk are no doubt on payroll to oil sheikhs, because no one is that imbecilic about jihad.
Everybody knows Islam has a doctrine called ‘JIHAD’.
Max Abrahms is not naïve, but a greedy, paid stooge. Max Abrahms is a ‘FREDO’.
Rarely says
What evidence do you have that Max Abrahms is being paid off?
It is not very far-fetched to believe that the average hate-crazed suicidal jihadi who commits these acts knows no more about islam than that it permits (or mandates) killing non-muslims and possibly that he will be rewarded with 72 virgins if he dies in the act. It is reasonable to believe that islam attracts homicidal maniacs as converts and frees up its “home-grown” ones to kill with impunity. If he requires any further justification the constant blaming of others for his miserable lot in life (i.e.”serial victimhood”) by Islamic leaders gives it to him.
I doubt that, in most cases’, we are dealing with mental giants who have the necessary filter in their brains to override the constant propaganda they are subjected to.
Rarely says
i.e. Perhaps the motivation, in most cases, is merely hatred and revenge for imagined wrongs and not any deep intellectual understanding of the koran and other Islamic texts. It would be my bet. IN MOST CASES only.
CogitoErgoSum says
Rarely, do you believe a deep, intellectual understanding of the Islamic holy texts would lead a person to think killing infidels is wrong? If so, how could so many people be so stupid over so long a period in history? Why would Muhammad make his message so difficult to understand and so easily misunderstood? Wouldn’t a smart person try to make his message as simple as possible so it could be correctly understood by as many people as possible? The people of Muhammad’s time were not deep, intellectual thinkers (and I think that is true for most of the people of our time also).
Rarely says
CES.
I am not suggesting that having a deep understanding of islam would lead a person to believe killing infidels is wrong. Nowhere near that. I’m simply saying that it is reasonable to believe that most suicidal jihadis are not the sharpest knives in the drawer — easily led and prone to violence. It doesn’t take a deep understanding of islam to act as they do, only a very superficial one PLUS a certain type of brain.
CRUSADER says
In this BBC production “DIRTY WAR”
the Jihadi cell is shown divided between
the smart planners and the stupid suicide squad…
( — all things relative, of course)
Great piece of drama to watch over this weekend.
Bring over your mates from the corner pub
who aren’t convinced yet about jihad!!!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=poZXRUxlaqk
R Russell says
Lot’s of heads buried in the sand. Even more are being buried in the sand .
Perhaps they hope that if their heads and necks are buried, the jihadi wont be able to execute them.
Henry Mansfield says
Traveled to Australia for business years ago, was called a name in Australian slang for being too uptight.
People would have a few beers in the middle of the day without thinking much of it, many were proud of the fact prostitution was safe and legal and everyone I met was friendly. My facial reactions to some of it must have prompted questions, and after describing how some stuff would go over in the USA I was told I needed to lighten up.
Since then a mass shooting saw gun control implemented and there’s been a massive importation of Muslims. I wonder if those Australians long ago had a clue that a mentally deranged Muslim convert would ever run through the streets in broad daylight shouting “Allahu Akbar” while slashing pedestrians.
Angemon says
That happens a lot in the US. How many included shouting “allahu akbar”?
Huh, the Christchurch attacker was not a muslim. He did not shout “allahu akbar”. Whatever it is you’re smoking, you better put more tobacco in the mix…
revereridesagain says
“People who bravely responded”, first thing on their minds was not to hurt his feelings by implying that he’s a “terrorist” or something else that would make him think of them as “Islamophobes”. Girl he killed was just a “sex worker” anyway. Nobody cares about her, she’s just a “sinner” in any of our Great Religions, isn’t she. Mustn’t use this to besmirch the reputation of nice Muslim men who are quietly raising their families and having their daughters properly “cut”, covered up, married off to first cousins twice their age they’ve never met, beaten if they speak to an unrelated man/give birth to a daughter/appear to be contemplating “disobedience”. Burned or strangled or beaten to death for dating the wrong boy, acting “too Western”, wanting a real education or career, running away. Good Islamic Values! Why the poor young man MUST have had “mental health problems” to believe the great god Allah would want him to harm a kafir woman!
And all you officers and law enforcement officials, be sure to go home to your girlfriends, wives, and daughters tonight and let them know how you stood up for their right to exist safely in their own country, unmolested by such “mentally ill” types…
What was it Churchill said about Islam being as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog?
tim gallagher says
If that Muslim terrorist war cry, “Allahu Akbar”, does mean “Our god is greatest or greater”, which is what I understand it to mean, it is the perfect expression of Islamic supremacism. Their vile god is greatest and they prove it by killing non-Muslims over and over everywhere in the world. Yeah, that’s the way to prove it, you evil creeps. I live in Australia so I often see this “expert” Greg Barton and other such “experts” talking on TV or hear them on the radio. I usually turn them off. I find them very soft and wishy washy. I get my information about Islam from people like Robert Spencer and others here at Jihad watch, along with people like David Wood, Nonie Darwish, et al. A lot of these “experts” seem very soft and politically correct types and I don’t believe they help to wake people up about Islam. Probably every country has these soft “experts” who blab away on TV and radio. On this maniac, Mert Ney, apparently he was staying in a half way house for young people for a brief time before his rampage, and they interviewed a couple of the young people sharing the house with him. They would be homeless if they weren’t in the house. It was interesting. One of the young people said that Ney liked saying “Allahu Akbar” a lot. I guess he was saying it a lot in the house. It was odd how she said it. She said, “oh, yes, he loved to say that”. I thought that it almost seemed like some nonsense saying that he liked to say, almost without meaning, like saying, say, “abracadabra”. Just mumbo jumbo. Ney seems to be insane but having anything to do with islam certainly wouldn’t help him or anyone else avoid being violent, that’s for sure.
lilyredrose says
Watch their videos on You Tube. They will be shooting a grenade launcher etc towards the infidel, while breathlessly murmuring a pre-orgasmic sounding “Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar”. If it’s a good video–that’s when the bomb hits them.
tim gallagher says
I have occasionally noticed that, lilyredrose. It’s always bad news for us non-Muslims to hear this “Allahu Akbar” yell. Definitely a vicious war cry aimed at us infidels by the murderous Muslim supremacists as they go about their evil work. Yep, I agree, it’s always good to see them obliterated by a bomb.
gravenimage says
Australia: “Experts” claim Muslim who slit woman’s throat and screamed “Allahu akbar” is not a terrorist
……………..
What a lot of willful ignorance.
And I had not previously heard that this Jihadist cut his victim’s throat–reports just vaguely noted that she had been stabbed.
There is nothing so Islamic as cutting the throats of Infidels, This *poor* woman,
God, I hate Islam.
CRUSADER says
Devout bloody Muslims learn to slit throats on live creatures during their hajj in Mecca.
gravenimage says
Grimly true.
Geof says
Terrorists or mental health nuts whatever ..the victims are mostly infidels ..so I dont care if the guy was crasy or terrorist it all boils down to muslum
Maggie says
I wonder what is takes to be classified as a terrorist these days.?
emergency cake says
….well i already know im NOT crazy…because i’ve been tested!
gravenimage says
🙂
Jake says
The police commissioner is not all that bright.
vtology says
Being a psychotic programmed typical moslem man, he would be “lonely,” one might hope – – if he’s not lonely he’s pumping a harem full of chattel livestock and creating even more problems. It’s a good thing he was lonely or he probably would have done even more damage.
J_sh Brown says
In a TV interview some years back Greg Barton was in his office, with a Islamic prayer rug sitting on a shelf behind him. He is probably a Muslim.
Giacomo Latta says
”That doesn’t mean he internalized those ideas”
Well, that doesn’t mean he didn’t internalize those ideas either. Try to be a little more intelligent in your, ahem, investigation.
taylor says
If that was someone attacking Muslims they would straight away condemn that person and call it a terrorist attack. Australian people and white people all over the world should stop feeling guilty for what happen in the past. Stand up for whats happening today. I hope i wont be called a white supremacist lol im brown tho.