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In Australia, Young Ahmadis Spread Misinformation On “Discover Islam” Road Trip

Aug 26, 2019 10:00 am By Hugh Fitzgerald

The story is here: “Young Muslims travelling across rural Australia to challenge misconceptions about Islam,” by Antoinette Radford, SBS News, August 22, 2019:

A group of young Australian Muslims are embarking on a rural expedition across the country to challenge misconceptions about their faith.

More than 60 young men from the Ahmadiyya Muslim Youth Association (AYMA) will travel from six cities this weekend on a seven-day ‘Discover Islam road trip’, culminating in a gathering at Uluru [a place sacred to aborigines].

The group, made up of several high school and university students, will cover more than 30,000km and stop at more than 50 towns along the way in an effort to promote social cohesion.

Whatever fleeting “social cohesion” may be achieved during these encounters will not be based on the stability of truth, but will merely be the result of these pleasant young Ahmadis misleading the non-Muslims they meet about the teachings of mainstream Islam. For the Ahmadis are a most unorthodox sect, one that rejects the use of violence in spreading Islam — they are also regarded by most Muslims as not real Muslims themselves – and the version of Islam they spread is the one most comforting to non-Muslims.

“We really, really hope to have honest conversation and open dialogue,” 27-year-old participant Ata Ul Hadi told SBS News.

Mr Hadi, who is an outreach coordinator working with young Muslims, and a medical student at Griffith University, said for him the trip is an opportunity to interact with people from all walks of life and break down social barriers.

“We believe we can improve social harmony within our society and bring Australians closer together because when we know better about each other, we are more tempted to be better human beings and be better Australians,” he said.

It’s not the warm, friendly behavior of these Ahmadi defenders of the faith (the very faith whose true believers mostly reject them) that will teach non-Muslims anything useful about Islam. What they need is not beguiling smiles, but to learn about the texts and teachings of Islam, as found in the Qur’an and Hadith. They need to understand that the Qur’an commands Muslims in more than 100 verses to conduct violent Jihad, to “fight” and to “kill” and to “smite at the necks of” and to “strike fear in the hearts of” the Infidels. How likely is it that the Ahmadis will discuss a single one of those verses? How likely is it that those Ahmadis will mention Muhammad’s claims, in the Hadith, that “war is deceit” and that “I have been made victorious through terror”?

Ata Ul Hadi [the leader of the group] believes the best way to counteract negative misconceptions is through dialogue, which he hopes will occur on the trip.

What kind of “dialogue” is possible when one side is determined to misrepresent Islam as “a peaceful religion,” by ignoring all the disturbing Qur’anic verses and Hadith stories, while the other side knows nothing about what Islam inculcates, so is unable even to know what questions to ask, much less to detect that misrepresentation?

Research published in the Journal of Muslim Minority Affairs suggests about 70 per cent of Australians know “little to nothing” about Muslims or what they stand for.

The road trip aims to [sic] educating people in regional areas about the peaceful nature of Islam, and to remove misconceptions about the faith.

The “peaceful nature of Islam” will be demonstrated not by texts, but by the “peaceful nature” of these young Ahmadis, all smiles and eager to please. And while 99.9% of the Qur’an will not be discussed, it’s likely that the Ahmadis will bring up the two Qur’anic verses that are the favorites of the apologists. The first is that which claims “there is no compulsion in religion” (2:256). Sounds good, unless you know that Muslims who apostasize can be punished with death; that surely constitutes “compulsion in religion.” And non-Muslims may be allowed to live and practice their religion as long as they submit, as tolerated “dhimmis,” to a whole host of onerous conditions, including payment of the Jizyah; over time, many dhimmis converted to Islam in order to escape from those burdensome conditions. That, too, constitutes “compulsion in religion.”

The second verse they are likely to supply, to “remove misconceptions about the faith,” is the abridged version of 5:32, which reads “If any one slew a person… it would be as if he slew a whole people; and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of a whole people…” The full verse means something quite different, for it is addressed specifically to the Children of Israel, not to everyone, and instead of denouncing killing, it details when killing is allowed: “On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.” And the following verse, 5:33, details just how those guilty of “murder” or “spreading mischief in the land” should be killed.

The “misconceptions about the faith” the Ahmadis wish to remove start with the very word “Islam,” which they claim means “peace”; in fact, as is endlessly pointed out, it comes from a root that means “submission.” The Ahmadis will describe Jihad as primarily a “spiritual struggle,” and are likely to quote a fabricated hadith about Muhammad who, returning home from battle, exclaimed that he had left “the Lesser Jihad”(of war) for the “Greater Jihad” (of self-control in domestic life).

They will describe Muslims as allowing Christians and Jews — fellow monotheists and believers in abrahamic religions — to practice their religion, but will say nothing of the many conditions those Christians and Jews must meet, as “dhimmis,” including payment of the burdensome Jizyah tax to the Islamic state by Christians and Jews, so that they remain free of attack from Muslims themselves; in other words, the Jizyah was protection money. Don’t expect these Ahmadis to mention the  “jizyah” or “dhimmi”; such concepts would merely confuse non-Muslims. Why unduly upset them?

The Ahmadis will take care not to mention the Qur’anic command to Muslims “not to take Christians and Jews as friends, for they are friends only with each other” (5:51). And they will certainly say nothing about the verses that proclaim Muslims to be “the best of peoples” (3:110) and non-Muslims “the most vile of created beings.” (98:6).

Waqas Ahmad, national president of the AYMA, told SBS News many misconceptions Muslims encounter in their everyday life surround the misconception that Islam is a violent religion.

“Islam is seen to be a violent religion and the Qu’ran teachings are seen to be teachings which promote violence, which is totally incorrect,” he said.

“If we take out just a few hand-picked teachings from the hadith book, let alone the Qu’ran, it doesn’t really paint the whole teaching. Islam is not a violent religion. Islam literally means ‘peace’. And the words that Muslims use with each other means [sic]‘peace be upon you’.” Islam is not a violent religion. Islam literally means ‘peace’.

No, it must be insisted one more time: “Islam” means not “peace,” but “submission.” And it’s not a “few hand-picked teachings from the hadith book” (a strange way to refer to the different collections of hadith, of distinctly varying authority for Muslims), “let alone the Qur’an,” that show Islam to be a violent religion. That violence is all over the Qur’an, and everywhere, too, in the hadith collections of the most reliable muhaddithin, Bukhari and Muslim. It would be most useful if  some of those Infidels in the Outback could actually look into the Qur’an before meeting with the traveling circus of Ahmadis, and thus could be prepared to knowledgeably challenge those who, like Waqas Ahmad, claim that it is “totally incorrect” to see Islam as a “violent religion” and also “totally incorrect” to claim that the Qur’an promotes violence.

Those well-prepared Infidels might appear, armed with note cards, to confront the Ahmadis spreading their dreamy misinformation about Islam. Each note card could contain a Qur’anic verse that commands Muslims to fight, to kill, to smite at the necks of, to strike terror in the hearts of, and to despise, Infidels. Here are a dozen of the most disturbing: 2:191-193, 3:151, 4:89, 5:51, 8:12, 8:60, 9:5,9:29,47:4, and 98:6. How will the Ahmadis explain away those dozen, or many dozens more?

The Ahmadiyya Muslim sect, considered unorthodox by many mainstream Muslims, makes up only a small percentage of Australia’s overall Muslim community.It is estimated there are only a few thousand Ahmadiyyas practising in Australia.

The impact of misconceptions about Islam affect the lives of everyday Australian Muslims, one of the road trip participants told SBS News.

Waqar Ahmad Nasir, who works within the AYMA as the head of moral, ethical and spiritual training recounts various times people have discriminated against him either at a social gathering, in the workplace and in public.

Most recently, he said he was approached by someone on a bus who told him Muslims were creating problems in Australia.

“Somebody openly said to me … ‘What are you doing here? You should leave this country. You should leave here, because of you a lot of problems are being created.’”

“I politely said to him … ‘Look, you know, that is your view, you are right. There are people [causing problems] but they are a very, very small amount’.”

Nasir has had to endure “various times people have discriminated against him.” Most recently, Waqar Ahmad Nasir claims that somebody told him “You should leave this country.” It could have happened. Or it might have been exaggerated, or even made up, to fit the victimhood narrative that Muslims are everywhere disseminating. In any case, even if that story is true, that is apparently the worst he has had to endure. That remark made to him was ugly, but it did not constitute discrimination. Discrimination is when you are not hired for a job, or not given a promotion you deserve, or not been able to rent an apartment, because of your identity (religion, race, ethnicity, sex). It’s an act, not an opinion. If Waqar Ahmad Nasir had ever suffered anything worse than this episode, you can be sure he would have let us know.

There are many Muslims, not a “very, very small amount,” who have caused problems in Australia. There have been terrorist attacks by Muslims, in just the last few years, in Endeavour Hills, Parramatta, Minto, Queanbeyan, Brighton, Mill Park, Melbourne. Notable terrorist plots that were uncovered in time included those of Faheem Khaled Lodhi, Neil Prakash, the Sydney Five, the Benbrika Group in Melbourne, the Holsworthy Barracks terror plot, Tamin Khaja, the 2014 plot of “Abu Bakr,” the Federation Square attack plot. Terrorism is not the only sort of “problem” caused by Muslims. Lakemba, the largely Muslim suburb of Sydney, has become a high-crime area and a center of the drug trade, widely regarded as a No-Go area for non-Muslims.

Mr Hadi said the AYMA is prepared for some negative reaction to the excursion and social media can be a place where many young Muslims experience discrimination and offensive comments.

He believes social media comments are a short-term problem though, whereas engaging in dialogue and conversation provides a long-term change in values.

“Dialogue” and “conversation” with those Ahmadi Muslims who are determined to be just as friendly as they can possibly be are poor substitutes for knowledge of the Qur’an and hadith. Non-Muslims need to know not how friendly Muslims can be, but what the texts and teachings of Islam tell us. That’s not something these Ahmadis have any intention of sharing.

“On social media I feel like this is more prevalent where people are more tempted to say things that they might not be comfortable saying in an otherwise social environment,” [Mr. Hadi] said.

“We’re trying to counter negative ideas by providing genuine information, and by having a genuine discussion about what we believe in and what we stand for.” The change in mindsets for this trip is not limited to educating others about Islam. The men participating in the journey are also looking forward to learning more about the rural Australian way of life, and challenges facing regional towns.

What is that “genuine information” that the Ahmadis are eager to supply? Simple assurances that Islam “means peace”? Explaining that “there is no compulsion in religion” and continuing to ignore the 109 verses that command violent Jihad in the Qur’an? Will they discuss the Qur’anic command not to take Christians and Jews as friends? Or the verse telling Muslims to regard all Infidels as “the most vile of created beings”? Or will this Ahmadi caravan merely disseminate its comforting misinformation, a worn passport allowing non-Muslims to travel from one area of ignorance to another?

“To go out even further … out to the country, and to see how people live out there and the challenges they have … that will be a great learning curve for all of the young members of our community including myself,” he said.

One of the five pillars of the Muslim faith includes engaging in acts of charity. The pillar, Zakat, generally includes giving a set proportion of one’s wealth to charity.

The group hope to extend their charitable actions by also helping cleaning up rubbish in the towns they visit.

What Mr. Hadi is careful not to make clear is that in Islam, Zakat is obligatory charity, but the object of that charity should only be fellow Muslims. If these Ahmadis are enaging in acts of charity for everyone, including non-Muslims – e.g., by planting trees, or cleaning up rubbish – this does not qualify as Zakat. What it is, instead, is part of a very visible public relations campaign to make Islam look good.

“People believe that our loyalties maybe lie to [sic]  some middle-eastern country or that they’re not faithful to Australia,” Mr Hadi said.

“This is so far removed from the truth and there’s nothing of that within Islam. Islam actually teaches that the love of the country you live in is part of your faith.”

This is flatly false. Islam teaches Muslims that they may obey the laws of the country they live in, but only as long as those laws do not contradict Islamic teachings and tenets. Islam – with its teachings to be found in the Qur’an, Hadith, Sira – does not command mainstream Muslims to “love…the country you live in.” A Muslim’s supreme loyalty is not to any country, but to the faith itself, and to fellow Muslims, members of the worldwide Umma, wherever they may be. The Ahmadis are outliers, whose views are quite different from those of mainstream Muslims. They are followers of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835–1908), who claimed to have been divinely appointed as both the promised Mahdi (Guided One) and Messiah expected by Muslims to appear towards the end times and bring about, by peaceful means, the final triumph of Islam. They believe in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as a lesser prophet who appeared after Muhammad. As a consequence, the world’s Ahmadis are regarded by most other Muslims as not even real Muslims; in Pakistan, they are forbidden to identify themselves as Muslims. The Ahmadis make up a little more than 1% of the world’s Muslim population; their views, including their rejection of violent Jihad, are not those of mainstream Islam.

When the current leader of the Ahmadis, Mirza Masroor Ahmad, claimed that Muslims should love the country they live in, his claim had no validity for the 99% of the world’s Muslims who are not Ahmadis. The Ahmadis, who are energetic proselytizers, present their own unorthodox views as those of mainstream Islam, misleading and lulling non-Muslims by stressing the Ahmadi desire to spread Islam only through peaceful means. How many non-Muslims in the Australian outback will understand the difference between the Ahmadis, so pacific and eager to please, and mainstream Muslims, whose views are much more disquieting?

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  1. CRUSADER says

    Aug 26, 2019 at 10:04 am

    Sixty young men … what could go wrong?

  2. CRUSADER says

    Aug 26, 2019 at 10:06 am

    Sixty young men … what could go wrong ?

  3. FYI says

    Aug 26, 2019 at 10:35 am

    misconceptions about islam?

    Like..like..islam is a religion of PEACE

    Discover islam and {KAKA..BOOM}

    Yes,let,’s discuss the HERD OF RAMPAGING ELEPHANTS in the Room of islam.

    The “perfect” koran:riddled with scientific,theological and logical errors

    See You Tube

    Scientific Mistakes in the koran

    the moon was split in two,the sun sets in a muddy pool and likes to have a shower,ants can talk,solomon had an army of birds,muhammed flew to Jerusalem on his FLYING HORSE to visit..what mosque was it now that was there at magic mo’s time?allah gets human reproductive biology wrong which means he doesn’t know how BABIES ARE MADE..Jews believe in some guy called Ezra the son of allah{??},Jesus had the Gospel,Mary is part of the Trinity,Christians are polytheists..

    The “perfect” man muhammed
    A cross dressing{sahih bukhari 2442}fat dwarf{abu dawud 40:4731}who failed the Poison Test of a prophet’s authenticity?
    Perfect:seriously?

    GOD{YHWH} Say, al LAH did you hear muhammed died from poisoning?
    allah….who..?
    GOD Your “prophet” muhammed.
    allah….?
    GOD The “prophet” of islam
    allah oh yes..yes.. now I remember,my prophet{pbuh}
    GOD So he FAILED the test…
    allah haha..It looks like it…but hey I tried?What a loser!what a putz!
    GOD hahaha
    allah hahaha

    • AP says

      Aug 27, 2019 at 7:05 am

      Man you nailed it. Islam is such a joke, they have to kill you for making fun of it.

  4. Or Else! says

    Aug 26, 2019 at 10:36 am

    Wait…..Allah refers to the Jews as “the Children of Israel”? Not the “Palestinians”?

    I guess that solves THAT problem! Ha!

  5. CogitoErgoSum says

    Aug 26, 2019 at 10:52 am

    If your religion is based upon the Quran, other people should be able to gain a basic understanding of your religion by reading the Quran. Now, the fact that the book has been rearranged and the Chapters (or Surahs) are no longer in chronological order of revelation makes understanding the book much more difficult. The book itself says that some things in it may be replaced by something else as good or better later on in the book. But with the Surahs no longer arranged in order of revelation this is obfuscated. Read the book in chronological order and find which verses abrogate other verses and the message of the book becomes much clearer. Muhammad was the messenger and whoever rearranged his message also muddled it. Its clearly not one of peace but rather one of constant fighting until everyone submits to Islam … which when translated into English clearly tells you what it’s purpose is — SUBMISSION and submission is supposed to be made to apply to everybody — and everybody means EVERYBODY one way or another.

    • Noor says

      Aug 26, 2019 at 11:01 am

      Pay the jiziya or shut up

      • ainu888 says

        Aug 26, 2019 at 4:13 pm

        It should be : Pay the jiziya AND shut up.

        • gravenimage says

          Aug 26, 2019 at 7:03 pm

          Yep.

      • Eur says

        Aug 26, 2019 at 4:20 pm

        Pay the yizya or die.

      • CogitoErgoSum says

        Aug 26, 2019 at 5:40 pm

        Maybe you can tell me what the Jizya is and to whom I am supposed to pay it.

  6. RonaldB says

    Aug 26, 2019 at 11:31 am

    On the whole, Fitzgerald hits all the points: Ahmadis are a branch sect of Islam not even accepted as Muslims by most Muslims. Ahmadis claim to be the real, peaceful Islam.

    But, I have looked at the Ahmadi website, https://www.alislam.org/, and they engage the verses that Fitzgerald brought up. Every one of them is rationalized away: taken out of context, only applies to those people actually addressed, superceded by others, didn’t really mean what they said. In other words, you probably won’t achieve a definite win with them by citing chapter and verse of the Koran.

    Stephen Coughlin in his masterful book “Catastrophic Failure”, https://www.amazon.com/Catastrophic-Failure-Blindfolding-America-Jihad-ebook/dp/B00X6GH8PA/ref=sr_1_30?keywords=coughlin&qid=1566832378&s=gateway&sr=8-30 points out that for purposes of security and intelligence, it is not necessary to deal with the “true” nature of religions or creeds; but it is necessary to deal with the way groups of followers interpret the teachings. In other words, even a very small group of Muslims who interpret Islam as violent jihad presents a danger; it doesn’t matter if their interpretation is justified or not. That’s totally irrelevant. And the vast majority of Muslims accepts mainstream (violent) interpretations.

    The question is, is it safe, desirable, or even possible, to disintinguish Ahmadis from mainstream Muslims? It may be a relevant data point that Abdus Salaam, an Ahmadi, build up the Pakistani nuclear program allowing Pakistan to sponsor terror against India. Does Ahmadiyya represent a denatured Islam, weakened and safe? Denatured organisms are often used in vaccines to stimulate the body defenses. For other uses, denatured organisms are used to take up the environmental niche, crowding out the destructive form of the organism.

    Or, is the nature of Amadiyya such that it can maintain itself under the defense radar, avoiding any backlash against Islam, until the coast is clear, and Ahmadiyyas, who are thoroughly familiar with all the verses, including the ones Fitzgerald cites, simply shift their interpretations and become traditional jihadis?

    My opinion: if you want to roll the dice, go to Las Vegas.

  7. warren raymond says

    Aug 26, 2019 at 11:57 am

    The founder of the Ahmadiyya, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, established this sect for only one purpose: to destroy Christianity.

    That’s the essence of Ahmadiyya. Everything else is smoke & mirrors.

  8. Rosie Barnes says

    Aug 26, 2019 at 12:42 pm

    One word tells a whole story in itself and why Islam is not compatible with free, egalitarian Western societies as Australia’s should be (and once was): “more than 60 young MEN…”

    • Savvy Kafir says

      Aug 26, 2019 at 4:00 pm

      Yeah. That caught my eye too.

      Even if they aren’t terrorists (themselves), every Muslim in the West, to one degree or another, is helping to drag the civilized world back into the Dark Ages. Their religion/worldview is inherently retrograde, misogynistic, & unhealthy. They simply don’t belong in the West, and we are fools if we allow them to remain here among us.

    • Savvy Kafir says

      Aug 26, 2019 at 4:26 pm

      Not a single woman among them, out of 60. Just men. As Rosie points out, this alone is enough to prove the total incompatibility of these nice, smiling, non-violent Ahmadis with Western Civilization & Western values.

      A message to these young Ahmadi ambassadors of goodwill & “social cohesion”:

      It took many long centuries of struggle by brave, forward-thinking people to create the free, enlightened Western societies that are so vastly superior to Islamic culture; so take your warm, friendly smiles and your good intentions (or your taqiyya, as the case may be) and kindly f**k off to the Islamic hell-hole society you came from. We’re just not interested, thank you very much — because there is NO advantage, whatsoever (for us) in you remaining here among us. Your presence here simply dilutes & imperils everything that is best about the West.

      • tim gallagher says

        Aug 26, 2019 at 7:16 pm

        A perfect summary of what I also think about Islam, Savvy Kafir. To my mind, islam is backward rubbish compared to the hard won western civilisation we have. It has nothing positive to offer us. The only people that I respect are the former Muslims, who have packed up and left Islam. It may be harsh, but any of these people who remain in Islam I personally cannot be bothered with, and that includes this fringe Muslim group. As you say they are all seeking to drag “the civilised world back into the Dark Ages”. So many people worked so hard to build our western civilisation and Islam seeks to destroy it.

        • PRCS says

          Aug 26, 2019 at 11:19 pm

          Tim,
          One (likely biased) survey concludes that 70% of Australians know little to nothing about Muslims,
          IYO, an accurate figure amongst your mates?

      • gravenimage says

        Aug 26, 2019 at 7:29 pm

        Agree–fine post, Savvy Kafir.

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 26, 2019 at 7:06 pm

      Yes–no women allowed. By “social cohesion” they mean Shari’ah–including its oppression and isolation of women.

  9. Hindu American says

    Aug 26, 2019 at 1:06 pm

    I call BS on this.

    What does Waqas Ahmad, national president of the AYMA, have to say about their mosques in Pakistan being bombed by the sunnis on a regular basis? In fact, a “place of worship” for Ahmadi Muslims in Pakistan (a sunni majority hell hole) cannot be called a mosque under Pakistani Law, which prohibits Ahmadis from “posing as Muslim.” Ahmadis are regularly “outed” and hounded in that society. Pakistani passports require the holder to declare his/her faith, and by law, Ahmadis can not be issued passports.

    So that everyone on this forum understands their duplicity, at separation from India in 1947, Ahmadis formed a battalion of volunteers in 1948 and attacked Indian Kashmir to “liberate” the land for Pakistan. When that failed after the Indian Army stepped in, these “peaceful” volunteers went on a rampage of killing, rapes and kidnappings in Kashmir, Gilgit, Baltistan and Jammu. Hindu women and girls were kidnapped and openly sold as slaves in the markets of Lahore, Quetta and Pashawar (and some say, as far as Baghdad). Kashmiris went through what the Armenians did at the hands of the Turks.This fact is well documented. Please Google it.

    That’s how peaceful they are.

    • Savvy Kafir says

      Aug 26, 2019 at 4:35 pm

      Thanks for the info, Hindu American!

  10. Angemon says

    Aug 26, 2019 at 3:46 pm

    For the Ahmadis are a most unorthodox sect, one that rejects the use of violence in spreading Islam

    Were they honest, they’d outright state they have the same endgame as any other given sect: the imposition of an islamic regime, with all that entails for women, non-muslims and other minorities. That they prefer to do it in a different way than, for example, ISIS, gives me no solace.

    • Savvy Kafir says

      Aug 26, 2019 at 4:39 pm

      Agreed. It’s not the violence that jihadis employ to spread Islam throughout the world that worries me so much; it’s the Islam itself — the barbaric, totalitarian theocracies that violent jihadis, Demographic Jihadis, & Stealth Jihadis all help to create.

  11. keith says

    Aug 26, 2019 at 5:20 pm

    They turned up at a mates place, walked in uninvited and then got pissed off when the dogs wouldn’t let them leave. Apparently these fools are tasty, or at least the dogs think so!

  12. ntesdorf says

    Aug 26, 2019 at 7:02 pm

    It looks like yet another example of Taqqiyah on Tour. Women need not apply to join the Tour.

  13. gravenimage says

    Aug 26, 2019 at 7:04 pm

    In Australia, Young Ahmadis Spread Misinformation On “Discover Islam” Road Trip
    ………………

    Ahmadis regularly whitewash Is;am for the Infidels, despite being persecuted and even murdered by their more orthodox coreligionists.

  14. Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says

    Aug 26, 2019 at 7:21 pm

    There are a few anomalies in the referenced article
    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/young-muslims-travelling-across-rural-australia-to-challenge-misconceptions-about-islam

    [1] “the Ahmadiyya Muslim Youth Association (AYMA)”
    How do you get the acronym AYMA? Shouldn’t it be AMYA? Am ya tryin’ to confuse us?

    [2] “Waqas Ahmad, national president of the AYMA”
    “WAQAS AHMAD, AYMA PRESIDENT”
    “Ahmadiyya Muslim Community Australia president Waqas Ahmed.” (photo caption)
    Are Waqas Ahmad and Waqas Ahmed the same person? And is the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community Australia (AMCA) the same organization as the Ahmadiyya Muslim Youth Association (AYMA)?

  15. gravenimage says

    Aug 26, 2019 at 7:30 pm

    That lying Muslim wearing the Captain America logo pisses me off, as well.

  16. b.a. freeman says

    Aug 26, 2019 at 8:09 pm

    How many non-Muslims … will understand the difference between the Ahmadis … and mainstream Muslims …
    —
    there is actually a more frightening part to this. what happens when an ahmadi gets a chance to read islamic scripture, and sees muhammed’s claim to be the *final* prophet? chances are, he’ll convert to the most mainstream flavor, sunni, and decide to start killing kuffar. in other words, even if *every single muslim* in the world today were to suddenly become an ahmadiyyah muslim, the potential for getting back to where we are presently is a virtual certainty. islam must be recognized as the cancer it is by civilized nations, or civilization itself will end. hard-core leftists may take over in the interim, but in the end, the ummah, who love death more than we kuffar love life, will win and destroy any chance for civilization to ever recover.

  17. tim gallagher says

    Aug 26, 2019 at 10:22 pm

    As someone who lives in Australia, I can give a bit information about the SBS organisation, which is the source of this report, or rather puff piece, which anything emanating for SBS would always be when it comes to Islam. People in Australia would know this, but many people from other countries wouldn’t know it. SBS, or Special Broadcasting Service, is a whole government-run (ie taxpayer funded) broadcasting group, mainly several TV stations, which is solely aimed at promoting multiculturalism. It was set up to say how wonderful and positive multiculturalism is. It seemed to mainly have the aim, when it was set up, of making people who didn’t speak English feel welcome in Australia, plus also sell the idea that multiculturalism is all wonderful, which, I believe, when it comes to Islam, is wrong. I doubt whether any other country has actually set up a broadcasting service, paid for by the taxpayer, with such an aim. So, any report they do will always be favourable to Islam. It is the same with the other government run organisation, the ABC, the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, based on the BBC. Always relentlessly left wing, which I hear is the same with the BBC and the Canadian Broadcasting group.

    • PRCS says

      Aug 26, 2019 at 11:44 pm

      Thanks for the info.

      I had wondered why a journalist wouldn’t do a little basic fact checking (at least look up what the word Islam actually means–not ‘peace’ of course).
      I think I know why now.

      • tim gallagher says

        Aug 27, 2019 at 2:30 am

        PRCS, yeah, I was thinking that you have to have a bit of local knowledge about whether the particular media group is left wing or not, before you can fully understand what a report is aiming to achieve. I know I’m not sure where most of the overseas media stand in the political spectrum. I hear enough to know that Fox, in the USA, is fairly conservative and the NY Times or Washington Post are left wing. I believe the Guardian in the UK is left wing, not sure about others, though I hear the BBC is left wing. All these government run, tax-payer funded, media outlets seem to be left wing, and, as I said, SBS is really a propaganda outfit to promote the wonders of oh so wonderful multiculturalism. That’s why it exists. As I mentioned, I don’t think I’ve heard of any other country which has its taxpayers fund such a media outfit. That’s how unbelievably politically correct Australia is in some ways. Our governments here really know how to waste taxpayers’ money. Just as I hear about most countries, the media mainly tends to lean to the left in Australia. On the other question you raised, whether 70% of Australians know very little about Islam. Look, it’s hard to say, but, after terrorist attacks, attempted terrorist attacks, our own Muslim rape gangs back in 2000, I think plenty of people are pretty negative in their attitude towards Muslims. But most people would probably never have looked into Islam (as in what’s in its basic texts, etc). I think people here, as in most western nations, try to be generous and accepting of other cultures, or are too busy just working and raising families to have time to look into islam. In my family, most of my siblings are left leaning and they were always very keen to accept all other cultures, etc (I also only have a problem with Muslims, not Buddhists or others). However, I have noticed that my siblings are changing their attitude towards Islam and Muslims. I think they may have been mugged by reality, as in all the trouble with Muslims here and everywhere else. The 70% figure sounds way too high to me, but we do have a lot of slow learners out here, much like everywhere else. A hell of a lot of people don’t look into things. Probably a lot would say, well, Muslims are trouble, but most of them are OK. I should also say that, unless you do know people fairly well, you probably don’t jump in and discuss Islam. People you discuss the issue with would probably have to be good, maybe long time, mates, and, maybe surprisingly, as I’m pretty conservative, many of them are fairly left leaning. I’ve gone on for too long, but I guess my answer is, I don’t know, but the 70% definitely sounds wrong to me. Maybe 40% or 50% might be more like it.

        • PRCS says

          Aug 27, 2019 at 4:14 am

          Thanks, Tim.
          Informative post.
          I would say a whole lot more folks will have to ‘be mugged by reality’ in order to keep the jihad in check.

        • tim gallagher says

          Aug 27, 2019 at 5:00 am

          Ain’t that the truth, PRCS, about people needing to be woken up. I keep thinking everyone should have woken up by now when it comes to Islam. I have something to add to what I wrote. I was sitting down watching TV (nothing to with politics) and suddenly I remembered something. I actually mentioned this on Jihad Watch at some point. I was pleasantly surprised by this information when I heard it and it related to a different survey in Australia. I watch a program called “Outsiders”, which has three entertaining conservatives on it. One of them, Rita Panahi, who was born in Iran, raised as a Muslim, now an atheist, mentioned this survey. It was back on the 4th August. The reason I know this is because I forget things and if, say, they interview someone I’ve never heard of, I’ll write the name down so I don’t forget it. So Rita Panahi mentioned a survey, carried out by a company called IPSOS (who do lots of surveys out here) in which she said 50% of those surveyed want no Muslims in Australia. So there’s another survey result to think about. I remember thinking, that’s great, 50% of my fellow Australians feel the same as I do. I remember thinking that it was a sign of progress. I admire Rita Panahi and I’m sure she’d check out the survey a bit before mentioning it on the TV program.

        • gravenimage says

          Aug 27, 2019 at 8:22 pm

          Good exchange, PRCS and Tim.

        • tim gallagher says

          Aug 28, 2019 at 12:19 am

          Thanks, gravenimage. I was reading this report and I thought, you know, people from overseas wouldn’t know anything about what SBS is all about. Mind you, I used to watch some good foreign films on it and a few good historical documentaries, but, any coverage of news is bound to be very biased. On the survey that Rita Panahi mentioned where 50% of those surveyed wanted no Muslims in the country, all I can say is, I really hope it is a true reflection of where the Australian population is when it comes to Islam. I know I was pretty happy and surprised when I heard her mention such a high figure.

        • gravenimage says

          Aug 28, 2019 at 12:31 am

          Yes, Tim–I hope that so many Australians have an idea that Islam in their country is a very dangerous thing.

          You certainly can’t always trust Al Jazeera, God Knows, but the figures for the US don’t seem to be as high as for Australian:

          “Two in five Americans say Islam ‘is incompatible with US values'”

          https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/11/americans-islam-incompatible-values-181101185805274.html

        • tim gallagher says

          Aug 28, 2019 at 6:00 pm

          gravenimage, just one last comment on this. When I heard that 50% figure that Rita Panahi mentioned, I was pleasantly surprised. I would have thought, maybe, a figure like 35% might be more what I’d expect. I don’t have all that much faith in these surveys, but, nevertheless, when there is a good result I do take some comfort in that. I was thinking a country like Hungary would have 90% plus who would want no Muslims or would say Islam is incompatible. I’m sure countries like Hungary are pretty horrible in many ways, but, on Islam, they are on the right track. That’s the sort of result I’d love to see in every country. And I keep thinking that, by now, almost everyone should have woken up. Oh well, maybe one day all countries will have woken up.

        • gravenimage says

          Aug 29, 2019 at 11:52 pm

          I hope so, TIm.

    • Trick_or_Treat says

      Aug 27, 2019 at 10:30 am

      Yeah [Satire/ON] Breaking News: Australian Broadcasting Commission announces it will now only be transmitting and broadcasting through the LEFT speaker! ….(they might have to turn their transmission wattage up a bit though, some of us are beginning to go a bit deaf in our left ears!).

      • tim gallagher says

        Aug 27, 2019 at 5:48 pm

        Trick_or_Treat, yes, the ABC is relentlessly left wing in its views. I never go near any of its TV or radio news type programs. Too annoying. And it costs the Australian taxpayers $1 billion a year for this destructive (I would say traitorous) propaganda outfit. The joke’s on the Australian taxpayers.

  18. Ren says

    Aug 26, 2019 at 11:07 pm

    How do you challenge pedophilia, murders and terrorism?

  19. RodSerling says

    Aug 27, 2019 at 1:22 am

    Ahmadis are estimated to be about 1% of the world’s Muslim population, but they seem to get a disproportionately large share of the press coverage.

    Hugh writes: “For the Ahmadis are a most unorthodox sect, one that rejects the use of violence in spreading Islam”

    It is often claimed that Ahmadis reject violent offensive* jihad, but what is the basis for this claim? Think of what this claim would require, by way of support, to be true. Official Ahmadi doctrine would have to overrule, on a permanent basis, numerous Quranic verses and Hadiths. For such a ruling to be relevant practically, huge percentages of Ahmadis and especially the leadership would have to sincerely believe it. Even if there is such a clear an unequivocal ruling accepted by the vast majority of Ahmadis, it is probably safer to say the Ahmadi sect “purportedly rejects,” or “is often claimed to reject,” or “rejects in its official public statements,” offensive jihad to establish Islamic rule.

    *They at least admit to supporting violent “defensive” jihad. Since “defensive” violence in Islam can be carried out against anyone who expresses publicly a disagreement with the religion, its laws, or its prophet, and indeed violent jihad groups often claim to be acting defensively, there is no reason for non-Muslims to be reassured by apologists, Ahmadiyya or otherwise.

    The evidence I’ve seen over the years indicates that Ahmadis are no less enthusiastic than mainstream Muslims for sharia. On the crucial issue of the freedom to criticize Islam publicly, most Ahamdis, like most other Muslims, are on the wrong side.

    • Vicki Coghlan says

      Aug 27, 2019 at 2:03 am

      If they are reject violence then they are rejecting the book of satan=koran.

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 27, 2019 at 9:02 pm

      Yes–the Ahmadi may reject violent Jihad, but they still want to impose brutal Shari’ah law–and there is *nothing* peaceful about this.

  20. Vicki Coghlan says

    Aug 27, 2019 at 2:01 am

    Spreading islam through dawah.
    Its the oldest trick in the book.
    Not spreading negative stereotypes.
    But the thing is there isnt anything positive about islam. Thats the thing.
    Taqiyya(The art of deception especially towards the kuffar) will definitely be practiced for sure.
    BEWARE OF THE WOLF IN SHEEPS CLOTHING!!!

  21. Laura says

    Aug 27, 2019 at 5:25 am

    There was a time when the no-nonsense Aussies would have kicked the arses of an foreigners foolish enough to try to explain what Islam is ‘really all about’ and sent them scurrying back to the safety of their mosque. Muslims belong in Saudi Arabia,they do not mix well with members of any other religion, or none.

  22. Trick_or_Treat says

    Aug 27, 2019 at 10:51 am

    Saying that islam is peaceful and benign, is like reading the poem, ‘The Good Ship Venus’, and then saying (completely straight-faced) that there’s absolutely nothing ribald or unwholesome about it at all – Sunday School sermon stuff!
    The best way possible that I can suggest for fellow Australians to ‘clear up any misconceptions about islam’ is, to get hold of an authentically faithful English translation of this Arabic version of ‘Mein Kampf’ (the qur’an) and READ IT FOR THEMSELVES!
    They won’t have any ‘misconceptions’ after that (unless of course they are complete dolts).

  23. John Magne Trane says

    Aug 27, 2019 at 1:14 pm

    “The Ahmadis will describe Jihad as primarily a “spiritual struggle,” and are likely to quote a fabricated hadith about Muhammad who, returning home from battle, exclaimed that he had left “the Lesser Jihad”(of war) for the “Greater Jihad” (of self-control in domestic life).”

    More about the fabricated hadith here:
    https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Lesser_vs_Greater_Jihad

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 27, 2019 at 9:10 pm

      Thanks for that link.

  24. Battle says

    Aug 27, 2019 at 9:50 pm

    Tha Australian public assistance must pay well to pay for gasoline petrol for such a long road trip, or someone is paying them?

  25. Battle says

    Aug 27, 2019 at 10:17 pm

    After killing murdering the priest in France, and to show Islam Moslem superior to Catholic Christianity, the pious killer murderers shouted prayers to Allah to claim the church for Allah.

    Uluru a most sacred place of the Native Aboriginals. A most sacred place.

    How come the Islam Moslems go there? Answer: To claim all Native Aboriginal Australia for themselves Islam Moslem. All Australia.

    Be not fooled Native Aboriginals. Be not fooled.

    Be not fooled Australians. Be not fooled.

    Muslims For Peace my arse.

    Act of Islam Moslem war it is. Act of Islam Moslem war it is.

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