It is good that the imam asked him to leave, and apparently notified the police. We need to see much more of that sort of thing. But how did this man get the idea in the first place that an imam in a mosque might be willing to help him blow up an NYPD precinct? Where did this man learn his Islam? Will that be investigated once he is caught? Almost certainly not.
Also how do the police know that this man is not “of sound mind”? Or are they just assuming, as do so many other officials, that because Islam is such a peaceful religion, only those of unsound mind could possibly think that it mandates violence?
“Police Searching for Man Who Asked Imam to Help Blow Up Precinct,” NBC 4 New York, August 27, 2019 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
Police are searching for a man who walked into a New York City mosque and asked an imam to help him blow up an NYPD precinct.
The NYPD says the man is wanted for questioning in making terroistic [sic] threats at the Bronx Muslim Center on 702 Rhinelander Ave. on Sunday. The iman asked the man to leave and he complied, according to police.
A police spokesperson said the man was not “of sound mind.”…
Emilie Green says
Muslim enters mosque: Asks imam to help him blow up an NYPD precinct
Imam responds: Only one? Lets blow up at least three
keith says
The mental illness excuse is such a grey area. The argument could be used that anyone willing to use violence to promote religious beliefs is seriously sick in the head.
Or is it the religion itself which is sick? It becomes a chicken or egg situation.
The Imam doing the right thing is a rare event, we can only hope that his example spreads.
After all, it only takes one man to make a stand to bring about change.
tao300 says
All over Europe muslim criminals get very light sentences for their rapes, acid attacks and other ‘arabic national sports’ and the judges usually justify this by referring to the “traumatized psychological state” of those criminals. (nobody wonders about the “traumatized state” of their dead and wounded victims)
I have a suggestion to Nato and the US-army = why bother to send armies of soldiers or peace-keepers when all you need send is a swarm of thousands of psychologists in uniform who explain to the soldiers of Allah called DAESH or ISIS that they will be cordially welcome into the mental hospital Germany and France has become since 2015.
talipinulu says
Aha, that arabic national sports indeed, NOT our religion (Islam) principles. Arabs make Islam aa a monstee for mindkind. n
Nowonder, the Four Khalif murdered by Arabs!
Kadok says
rule # 32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture–education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
#38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat]. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control.
Gork says
He probably turned the guy over because he suspected a police setup.
I mean, if even if you were Charles Manson, wouldn’t you be just the slightest bit suspicious of someone you don’t know waltzing in and asking for help in such an endeavor?
gravenimage says
Agreed–there’s a good chance he thought it was a set up–or at least that the guy would not be discreet.
Trick_or_Treat says
Second thought that came into my head, agreed.
Wondering what the reality might’ve been if it was one of the immediate ‘inner circle’ ? (!)
lebel says
Yep –
Turn the guy in = evil Muslim
Don’t turn the guy in = evil Muslim
Jihadwatcher then asks innocently: “where are all the Muslims turning the terrorists in?”
FYI says
No Hindus,Jains,Buddhists,Jews,Christians,Sikhs behaving in a similar way to the entitled murderous muslims.
islamic troll doesn’t get it……..al LAH’s followers never understand Logic or Irony.
FYI says
“I am the Lord Thy God :Thou shalt NOT commit murder”
Sixth commandment
EXODUS 20 v 1-17
Jews get it,Christians get it:muslims don’t.
It is in the TORAH a book allah CONFIRMS{he even tells muslims to ask those who know it…to consult it for reference k10:94}
Yet k2:191 teaches it is OK for muslims to violate God’s condemnation of murder.
It is ok for muslims to SIN AGAINST GOD!
Can the muslim mind cope with such a serious and EPIC logic flaw in islam?
Can you lebel,an apologist for all kinds of commandment-of God violating koranically inspired evil get it?
NOPE
Gork says
A Muslim who turns in terrorists is risking life and limb. I get it. However, in this case, the risks were low because the Imam had no idea who this stranger was. That’s what I’m trying to say.
And by the way, the religion itself teaches terrorism. See Quran 8:12. So if you attempt to stand against such things, you may be viewed as an apostate, subject to a death penalty
See Hadith Sahih al-Bukhari 9:83:17 among others. It’s quite obvious why so few Muslims have any desire to turn other Muslim terrorists in.
And no, this is not innocence. It is understanding. It takes extraordinary courage to do something that would force you to walk away from the community that raised you. Not many people have that in them.
gravenimage says
lebel has done this before–claimed that Muslims have to enable violent Jihad because the ‘filthy Infidels’ don’t all over themselves enough if a Muslims ever reports violent Jihad. Doesn’t he realize how appalling this is? I’m sure he doesn’t.
gravenimage says
fall all over themselves…
Angemon says
Yup – lebel does nothing to explain away why the idea that the imam, someone that, by definition, knows and believes in islamic doctrine, might actually be sympathetic to the action. He simply tries to sneer it away.
Must be nice being so simple-minded – “look, he called the police therefore he is genuinely against what the random stranger who walked into his mosque wanted to do. Do you think if he wasn’t he wouldn’t have helped some guy he never met to commit a terrorist attack? Of course he would!!!!!”
tao300 says
congratulations, Gork, you seem to be the brightest one here in the comment section.
Of course an Imam has to be careful lest he be setup by undercover agents to admit to his real opinion about the authentic meaning of his holy books exhortations to jihad.
Only an idiotic imam would not be worried about a trap situation.
Reziac says
I had an even more uncharitable thought… that the imam turned him down because he wasn’t a Middle Easterner. Can’t have those slave peoples taking all the credit when it comes to jihad!
ntesdorf says
One of the obvious and consistent effects of belief in Islam is to make one ‘not of sound mind’.
Trick_or_Treat says
….certainly does seem to leave most of them with a few fences down in the top paddock.
CRUSADER says
Ah! Meeting of minds and of mutual displeasure with American lawful authority.
mike says
peace RIGHT
here’s the way to convince America
Lydia Church says
Just another day in ‘islamobadland’.
Ade Fegan says
imam just trying to keep a cool scene perhaps ? .. no place for loose canons
this does not suggest in any way that the imam doesn’t think it would be a good idea
sidney penny says
Robert Spencer
You keep asking questions that no one can answer or no one wants to answer.
1 How did this man get the idea in the first place that an imam in a mosque might be willing to help him blow up an NYPD precinct?
2 Where did this man learn his Islam?
3 How do the police know that this man is not “of sound mind”?
Trick_or_Treat says
“1. How did this man get the idea in the first place that an imam in a mosque might be willing to help him blow up a NYPD precinct?”
Well, after about 1400 years of this lunatic shit (especially the last 50 or so) it seems to have evolved into a ‘Rorshach Test’ kind of immediate psychological association response that falls within the normally acceptable range. Like:
Green = Grass/Trees
Blue = Sky
Fish = Water
Santa = Christmas
islam/muslim = Violence/Terrorism
The secondary question (for those who can add 2 and 2 together and get 4) is, now just why would this be so?
The answer to your 3rd question is easy (and basically follows the same principle), anybody who believes in islam, and allah, can generally, by association, be considered to be mad.
SamB says
The Iman or the man making the threat are not fault it is the US system that surely is failing. Firstly, the US system does not allow for Muslims to be irrational or militant or have any deviancy in behavior. Secondly, non-Muslims are criminally minded. They are often at fault, in the USA, Canada and Europe. Thirdly, a vicious, belligerent or bellicose response from a Muslim can either be as a result of Psychiatric problems that has not been clinically assessed . The converse is true for other people. What we as the ordinary non-Muslims do not know is the working relations between Islamic regimes and Western regimes. Convoluted in all this is a sensitivity of economics, deals, and Western Rapport with Islam. We as ordinary people are simply left with frustration and disappointment at the lack of support from “our leaders.”
gravenimage says
Is the above sarcasm?
NA says
We all know this man first went to Father Flanagan who told him to go see Rabbi Weinstein who told him go see Pastor Smith who finally told him he needed to see Imam Muhammad. Because Islam is a religion of peace.
Peace and blessing to you all, now give me 50 Raka for your insolence.
Peace and love
Nihad Awad
J D S says
If in fact this imam did tell the Police then the cops or any other law enforcement agency won’t bother checking on the teachings in this mosque anymore giving it wide open opportunities to preach terrorism.