Has this “Islamo-Christian dialogue” led to one Christian being saved from Muslim persecution? No. Has it saved one church from being destroyed by jihadists? No. All it has led to is the Qur’an being treated by some Christians as if it were a holy text, as you can see below. Has this been reciprocated by Muslims? Is the New Testament read in mosques? Of course not. The “dialogue” is all dawah on one side and Useful Idiots, eager to be deceived, on the other.
“Pope Francis appoints pro-Islam archbishop to lead major French city,” LifeSiteNews, August 16, 2019:
August 16, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) — Pope Francis recently named a new archbishop for the major French city of Marseille on the Mediterranean coast: Bishop Jean-Marc Aveline, 60, best known for his commitment to “islamo-christian dialogue.” His nomination is a clear message to the large Muslim community of Marseille, both North African and Sub-Saharan. The northern districts of the city are infamous in France for their poverty and insecurity, violent crime, and drug-trafficking.
Jean-Marc Aveline was since 2013 auxiliary bishop of Marseille; before that, he was its vicar general. He succeeds Bishop Georges Pontier, who was archbishop for 13 years and who will be formally replaced on September 15, when the new archbishop is installed at the Cathedral of La Major.
In 2017, Aveline was named president of the Council for Interreligious Relations of the French Bishops’ Conference….
Aveline would soon found the Institut de sciences et théologie des religions (ISTR, Institute of sciences and theology of religions), which he also directed from 1992 to 2002. The said institute clearly promotes a relativistic view of religions, putting the Christian faith and Islam on the “same plane,” according to comments by Catholic journalist Yves Daoudal, who made an in-depth study of the case of the “martyred” monks of Tiberihine: Father Christian de Chergé and six of his companions were killed by Islamists-cum–political opponents in this desert region of Algeria in 1996 and were beatified last December, despite their more than welcoming attitude toward Islam, its beliefs, and the Koran.
Aveline chose as a referent “thinker” for his ISTR a certain Fr. Christian Salenson, who succeeded him at the head of that institute in 2002.
Salenson, who was also former director of the Seminary of Avignon near Marseille, illustrated his religious syncretism in 2010 when he published a homage to Fr. Christian de Chergé, who among other things had placed the Koran in the chapel of his monastery and used it for the lectio divina of the community.
Lectio divina, or divine reading, is the traditional monastic practice of prayerfully reading and meditating on sacred texts in order to promote communion with God and to increase the knowledge of His word. It is normally done by reading the Bible. Substituting the latter with the purportedly “sacred” texts of a false religion, such as the Koran, is antithetical to its purpose.
But this sort of exercise is at the heart of modernist “Islamo-Christian dialogue,” as it is officially practiced in France’s mainstream Catholic bodies, which, instead of promoting friendship and understanding between Catholics and Muslims in view of facilitating conversions to the true Faith, place their efforts in illusory “sharing” between the Islamic and the Catholic faith as such, where theological discussions are presented as searching the truths and convergences in both, not taking into account their radical incompatibility.
In his 2010 text, Salenson explained that “through personal experience,” Christian de Chergé “knew that Islam is a way that can accompany men and women on the path to God.” “Vatican II confirms him in this opinion,” he added, underscoring the “sincere respect” for the “rays of truth” in other religions recommended by Nostra aetate. However, this text speaks of “esteem” for Muslims and not for “Islam.”
But he went even further, saying: “The Church would be hard put today to say what is precisely the place of Islam in God’s design, but she is just as unable to reject this religious tradition on principle.” Salenson went on to explain that Fr. de Chergé thought that “in the bosom of the Father, Muslims remain ‘His children of Islam.’ They are children of the Father not despite their religious belonging but as believers of Islam,” he wrote — as if Muslims could accept the concept of the Fatherhood of God.
Archbishop Aveline is very much in this line, which he condoned as founder and director of the ISTR.
La Croix, the unofficial daily of the French episcopate, also presents Jean-Marc Aveline as a “faithful craftsman of interreligious dialogue” who will fit in well as head of the diocese of a “plural city especially marked by the rise of rigorist currents of Islam.” It quoted Aveline as speaking of “this atypical small Church which resembles that of the Maghreb.” It also indicated that Aveline has meetings with the imams of Marseille every six weeks…
Angemon says
Let’s hope there’s not much of a mess for the next Pope to clean up. Assuming, that is, he won’t be Francis 2.0 – Electric Boogaloo
mortimer says
Pope Guido Sarducci:
FYI says
“islamo-christian dialog”
“Oh ye who believe!Take not the Jews and Christians for friends”
k5:51
Just so the naive kumbaya christians know..
1.the koran CURSES christians for believing in Jesus Christ k9:30
{the fatiha “prayer” too..}
2 the koran DENIES Christ was even crucified k4:157 thus negating Christianity
3 the koran tells muslims,by{indirectly} denying the Trinity NOT to believe in God’s Holy Spiritk4::171
4 alalh does NOT permit final penitence k4:18
5 there is no 2nd chief commandment in islam:no Golden Rule.
6 allah’s greatest enemy is a man called MALIK AL AMLAK”kING OF KINGS” {SAHIH MUSLIM VOL 5 HADITH 5611}see Revs 19:16:don’t say you didn’t know!
7islam’s Doctrine of HATE,al walaa wal baraa is in violation of God’s Two Chief commandments.
Mr Bergoglio’s equating allah with the CHRISTIAN God is HERESY!
He subverts christianity and catholicism by doing so,empowering evil.
Only the truly blind refuse to see that{see the prophecy of st francis of assisi}
Wake up or else be the foolish bridesmaids.
Michael Copeland says
“It is unbelief (kufr) to hold that the remnant cults now bearing the names of formerly valid religions such as “Christianity” or “Judaism” are acceptable to Allah….”
Manual of Islamic Law, “Reliance of the Traveller”, w4
gravenimage says
Fine post.
Robert Laity says
God of the Bible whom both Jews and Christians worship, is NOT the same entity as allah. God is real. allah is false god of the moon.
Eric Jones says
I am all for people getting along as much as anyone. I am however believe the facts I see. I see Islam promoting two things, jihad and sharia. Merkel and Francis refuse to acknowldege that the muslim motivation is jihad and sharia. Is it possible that Merkel and Francis are secretely relatives?
A Catholic priest was murdered in France.Francis ignores this. Merkel ignores the attacks that Islamist commit on German women. Both are devoted to destroying institutions thay are stewarts of. Francis, the Catholic Church. Merkel, Germany. How can Francis be removed? How can Merkel be removed from office? May God save us all.
Eric
CogitoErgoSum says
God will remove them both in due time.
Robert Laity says
Pope Francis can be Laicised like any other priest for heresy and blasphemy of the churches teaching and other contumacious behavior.
James Lincoln says
Let me see if I have the straight:
Pope Francis wants Islamo-Christian dialogue.
Islam is an ideology / very bad religion.
In the 1930s-1940s would the Pope, at that time, be calling for Nazi-Christian dialogue?
Am I missing something here?
jayell says
“In the 1930s-1940s would the Pope, at that time, be calling for Nazi-Christian dialogue?”…..
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe that there was more than a bit of collusion between the Nazis and the RC Church, in the name of ‘political expediency’. It would seem the Pope Francis is probably playing the same game, in which case he’s better keep an eye open for those chickens coming home to roost a bit later on……
James Lincoln says
Jayell,
Your point is well taken, I will do more research on this.
Thank you for the reply.
gravenimage says
Actually, the Pope was able to save a lot of Jews by keeping a low profile–after all, the Vatican was in a Fascist country.
The situation today is quite different–Italy is not a Muslim country.
Robert Laity says
The Pope in WWWII did NOT corroborate with Hitler but sheltered Jews in monasteries even giving them catholic papers. Conversely, Muslims DID corroborate with Hitler in killing Jews and Christians.
gravenimage says
+1
Captain says
That is exactly what happened when the papal nuncio to Germany became pope.
Carol the 1st says
Maybe that’s who Angela Merkel is related to.
CogitoErgoSum says
I challenge anyone who reads my comment here to read also Surah 9 of the Quran and then explain to me what there is for a Christian (or a Jew) to discuss with Muslims other than the Jizya payment? This Surah is the second to last one in the Quran when taken in chronological order. As for the very last Surah to be revealed to Muhammad, I find there is disagreement. It could be Surah 110 or Surah 5 but in neither of those do I find any verse that would abrogate anything that is in Surah 9.
A person placed in a position of discussing theological matters with a Muslim should be aware of how to do a “proper reading” of the Quran. So I ask anyone, but especially this Bishop (or the Pope) to explain to me, a Catholic, what is the proper reading of Surah 9? As a member of the Roman Catholic Church am I supposed to act with submission toward Muslims and pay to them the Jizya (in whatever form they decide upon)? Or am I to fight them whenever they fight against me in order to defend myself, my family and my friends from persecution — because my reading of the Quran is that fighting me however they can until I submit to their demands is what Muslims are required to do to please their god. Do I abandon my family and friends to a life of humiliation under the rule of Muslims or do I fight back — however I can?
Now, I believe that Muslims do not and will not ever accept any other religion as being on the “same plane” as Islam. I also believe I should fight the Muslims however I can as a matter of self-defense but I would like to know the Pope’s official position on the matter. Just exactly what is it? I realize I am wasting my time asking because this request will most likely fall upon deaf ears — or blind eyes — within the Catholic hierarchy. But I thought I would try.
Brian Hoff says
There is no abrogate in the Koran. The war verses donot remove the peace verses .
FYI says
But it has a flying horse k17.1,arabic speaking ants k27:17-18 ,a talking infant that speaks like an adult{dawa folks say this is Jesus}k19:29-30,enormous scientific,theological and logical errors which by al lah’s own criterion of k4:82 show the koran to be FALSE.
allah’s criterion:since the koran is perfect,any errors or incongruities found in the koran would reveal it to be imperfect.. making allah imperfect.
But the koran is riddled with errors!
“And the Jews say “Ezra is the son of allah””
k9:30
Nope.
It is not even in Judaism:what Ezra ever claimed he was “son of allah”?
“WE bestowed on {Jesus} the Gospel”
k5:46
Wow,so allah claims he gave Jesus the Gospel.That’s odd.
{it came AFTER the time of Jesus..}
al Lah gets the role of the Jews,the religious identity of Moses and Abraham,Astronomy and human reproductive biology wrong.
al lah doesn’t even think Arabs are particularly bright.
“What?A FOREIGN TONGUE and an Arab?”
k41:44
You tube
Scientific mistakes in the koran
islam and Logic:separated at birth.
CogitoErgoSum says
Brian, see verse 2:106 where Allah reserves the right to replace any verse of the Quran with another better verse:
“We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?”
Though there is disagreement as to the exact number of verses abrogated, MUSLIM scholars have studied this and come up with lists of abrogations. See the lists compiled by Al-Suyuti and Ibn Salama:
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Abrogations_in_the_Qur%27an
Angemon says
“There is no abrogate in the Koran. The war verses donot remove the peace verses .”
There is abrogation in islamic eschatology, and the violent verses take precedence over the non-violent ones. Their enforcement is dependent on context. Muslims are a minority? “You have your religion and I have mine”, etc. Muslims are the majority? “Fight them until they pay the jizya”.
gravenimage says
“Brian Hoff”–really, “DefenderofIslam”–wrote:
There is no abrogate in the Koran. The war verses donot remove the peace verses .
………………….
Of course abrogation does not reserve the less violent Suras of the Qur’an–that’s not what abrogation does. It just supersedes them.
Why is “DefenderofIslam’s” Taqiyya so weak? This is just sad.
gravenimage says
Of course abrogation does not remove the less violent Suras of the Qur’an
Robert Laity says
Brian, there IS abrogation in Islam. The earlier peaceful verses have been abrogated by the latter Satanic verses.
Giacomo Latta says
Peace in Islam arrives after every last non-believer has been killed or, temporarily, has paid his jizya.
Robert Laity says
Cogito, Follow what you learned in Catholicism class and pray that the Pope will see his errors. Islam is ANATHEMA. DO NOT follow Islam or be influenced by it. Read: “The Satanic verses” by Salmon Rushdie.
Ole Pederson says
The is a monologue.
Christians offe a finger, muslims take the hand.
Christians give in, muslims cross new borders.
gravenimage says
+1
boakai ngombu says
But he went even further, saying: “The Church would be hard put today to say what is precisely the place of Islam in God’s design, but she is just as unable to reject this religious tradition on principle.”
He might also explain why, when the Savior, Jesus, seems concerned with LIFE , the allah god of islam (the best of all deceivers … 3.54) is equally as important, when it seems preoccupied with DEATH and SUBJUGATION, ruination, waste.
gravenimage says
So true.
Carol the 1st says
Lucky lost soul Islam – some eggheaded religious defective pretends he can’t quite grasp the “principle” of separating the flock from the ferals.
Ric says
Pope, you can call me Francis is a threat to Christianity as he advocates and pontificates for Islam while ignoring well being of his flock. One must not overlook the jeopardy in which he poses on Israel and worldwide Jewry. There is no such thing as Islamo-Christian dialogue ever coming to fruition.
Islam is not one for dialogue, assimilation, tolerance; it is a faux-religion, a cult of subjugating non-Muslims. This Pope is either gullible, a spawn of Lucifer, or an instrument of Islam.
Michael Copeland says
“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him…”
Koran 3:85, part of Islamic law
KWJ says
Who came up with the term “Islamo-Christian”? There’s only Judeo-Christian. Islam came last and blasphemizes both prior religions. There’s little in common and very important things that are not in common especially regarding Jesus let alone Islam says it will “break the cross.”
It’s not enough to just to say they have their beliefs and we have ours. This outreach is s farce and Christians should know by now that the Catholic Church has always been political and had most hypocritical popes and wretched behavior. It’s shameful how the Pope and others are deceiving Christians when Islam wants to be rid of Christians and Jews (which is obvious in Muslim countries.)
Keep telling how Jesus is not the same as in Islam. Radically different characters. Hispanics are mostly Catholic. I’ve got two Jesuses living next to me. I don’t think they would much like Islam’s version of Jesus.
gravenimage says
Yes–the role of the Muslim “Jesus”–really, “prophet Isa”–is to kill Christians in the last days.
Lydia Church says
The only “dialogue” that God has authorized between Christians and those of other religions such as islam is this:
THE GREAT COMMISSION!
Mark 16:15-16 New King James Version (NKJV)
And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.”
And it’s as simple as that!
There is nothing else to talk about.
But this move is nothing more than PF building his bridges to the one world religion, as always…
GreekEmpress says
The Great Commission—
Excellent point, Lydia!!!!
Lydia Church says
islam is a false religion and has NO place with God other than to create martyrs and contrast His love with their hate…
muslims have NO place as God’s children because they have not converted to Christianity!
Creation, but not children, they need to note the difference.
You must be born again to be God’s child.
You can’t have the Father without the Son!
If you deny the Son, you don’t have the Father either!
“Who is the liar, if it is not the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father, but whoever confesses the Son has the Father also.”
1 John 2; 22-23
riverae says
I*lam is a rip off of the old Torah law. The old law is for those who can not embrace Love, joy, Peace etc. I*lam destroys. Jesus brings final judgment. I*lam is destroyed. Jesus brings Peace.
ntesdorf says
’ They are children of the Father not despite their religious belonging but as believers of Islam,”
Christian de Chergé should be informed that he has already offended all Muslims with this statement which is contrary to Islamic beliefs. Muslims do not accept the concept of God as a Father.’
CogitoErgoSum says
So here we have something which could be part of the dialogue with the Muslims:
Those who believe that Allah has a son must be admonished since this is a monstrous blasphemy and falsehood (18:4-6).
Allah has never begotten a son and there are no deities beside him (23:91).
Jews say that Ezra is the son of Allah while the Christians say the Messiah is the son of Allah. May Allah destroy them. They are both perverted. They worship rabbis, monks and the Messiah, the son of Mary, as Lords besides Allah in opposition to the monotheistic command given them (9:30, 31).
To say we are all children of Allah is NOT in accordance with Islamic belief. Would it not be blasphemy according to the Quran? We may all be children of Adam and Eve but NOT children of Allah. As a Christian I would say we are estranged from God at birth and we become God’s adopted children upon baptism. While talking that way with other Christians might go over well, I doubt that it would with Muslims and, in fact, in some places it might get you killed. To Muslims we are Allah slaves, not Allah’s children.
Carol the 1st says
’ They are children of the Father not despite their religious belonging but as believers of Islam,”
Islam = Sharia. This guy is an effete and certainly not a feminist. Try again fool and speak louder as you’re fast losing your audience.
Red Pill says
Pope Frances is the false prophet.
mortimer says
Bishop Georges Pontier had better read the hadiths, Sira, canonical commentaries and manuals of Sharia law and some books by Robert Spencer, Ibn Warraq, Bill Warner and David Wood, or he will be merely the biggest dhimmi and the biggest Pollyanna in the West. Bishop Georges Pontier is poised to promote a fantasy version of Islam and that is a disservice to all.
The Church is charged with the responsibility of telling people the truth, rather than tickling their ears with comforting lies.
Islam has an agenda of destroying Christianity. Islam has an agenda of eradicating all competing religions and political systems.
Islam is fascist and supremacist.
Howard West says
There is a 2 groups of people that play “War Games” ! The Blue Team (world leaders) makes plans to defeat the Red Team the common people. Right now the Red Teams thinks the Blue Team seems to be losing! However, the 2,000,000,000 of Islam is the Blue Team’s hole card. If you read the less common one page Secret of Fatima, Daniel and some of the supplemental writings of Islam (some times referred to as Fatima) you will find references to the destruction of Rome, Mecca, Medena and the Aswan Dam. Leaving a big hole in Catholicism and Islam. People will rally to find a answers in religion . the Blue Team will use this time to consolidated their control and are working to have the groundwork ready.
gravenimage says
Pope Francis appoints promoter of “Islamo-Christian dialogue” as Archbishop of Marseille
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What a fool.
Robert Laity says
With ALL due respect to Pope Francis, he is in error. ISLAM IS ANATHEMA!
gravenimage says
Robert, are you new here at Jihad Watch? I would like to say welcome.
AP says
Pope Francis is a fraud, as he hides behind his walls safe from Islam today, but when the walls fall he will be drawn and quartered. Much like he is allowing of the common people. I find him disgusting.
Carol the 1st says
He pretends he is busy scanning the clouds and doesn’t notice how dirty his skirts are getting.
jca reid says
This Catholic hierarchy is really into B*tt – F*cking & interfering with small kids! Like their new Muslim friends. The only religious lot that carry out this practice ritually.
gravenimage says
Catholicism does not teach this, as you appear to believe.
CTTV15@Hotmail.com says
Over time their have been some very bad Popes, but this on is pure evil, with a massive dose of stupidity along for the ride..