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Senior ayatollah says Iran must engage in “widespread fighting” with the West for the Hidden Imam to reappear

Aug 8, 2019 4:00 pm By Robert Spencer

“[The Quran says:] ‘Fight them so there is no discord, and religion in its entirety is to Allah.'”

That’s Qur’an 8:39. Ayatollah Mirgabheri is saying that jihad warfare against non-Muslims is a sacred duty, and thus is a responsibility that cannot be set aside for negotiations — a point that consistently eludes establishment counterterror “experts.”

The Complete Infidel’s Guide to Iran contains the Shi’ite prophecies that the Hidden Imam will not return until the Muslims are suffering unprecedented persecution. The Iranian leadership has more than once spoken about provoking this denouement by attacking Israel and/or the U.S., so as to bring on a counterattack that would trigger the return of the Hidden Imam. Western analysts routinely dismiss religious statements from jihadis; in the context of the Islamic Republic of Iran (and in other contexts as well), they do so at their and our peril.

“Senior Iranian Ayatollah Mohammad Mehdi Mirbagheri: In Order for the Hidden Imam to Reappear We Must Engage in ‘Widespread Fighting’ with the West,” MEMRI, July 31, 2019:

Iranian Assembly of Experts member Ayatollah Mohammad Mehdi Mirbagheri said in a July 31, 2019 interview on Ofogh TV that fighting in the cause of Allah is moral and that widespread fighting is a prerequisite for the emergence of the Hidden Imam. He said that negotiations that aim to bring about the triumph of Islamic civilization are good, and he explained that these negotiations ultimately turn into ultimatums. On the other hand, he said that negotiations for the purposes of cooperating with the society of the infidels are bad. Ayatollah Mirbagheri added that the Islamic revolution must continue because the conflict with the West is not over. He said: “We did not carry out a revolution in order to join the international community and accept liberal democracy… It has all been done in order to bring about the age of [the Hidden Imam’s] reappearance.”

Mohammad Mehdi Mirbagheri: “If we stand by our ideology of truth, it is moral for us to fight. ‘Fighting in the cause of Allah’ constitutes an entirely moral war. We will never reach the age of the reappearance [of the Hidden Imam] unless we go into widespread fighting – a comprehensive clash that will escalate into fighting. [The Quran says:] ‘Fight them so there is no discord, and religion in its entirety is to Allah.’ This addresses all the imams throughout history, and first and foremost the Hidden Imam.

[…]

“How come [the West] has the right to fight for democracy and to spread it – a thing that has become a farce…”

Reporter: “Under Trump’s leadership…”

Mohammad Mehdi Mirbagheri: “Exactly. [They have the right] to fight, to come to the Middle East, to attack, to perpetrate massacres, to run the prison in Guantanamo… All this is considered moral, yet it is considered immoral if we confront them so that the [Hidden Imam] reappears?

[…]

“In essence, negotiations are neither good nor bad. It all depends on your approach to the negotiations. If your aim is to bring about the triumph of [Islamic] civilization, then the negotiations have specific characteristics and are obviously good. In such a case, the negotiations will turn into an ultimatum. But if the purpose is to cooperate with the society of the infidels, then the negotiations are certainly bad.

[…]

“I apologize to the Hidden Imam before saying this… In the West, they said: ‘God is dead.’ Nietzsche said this, right? Is there anything that can be more impolite than for a rotten carcass like Nietzsche to say that God is dead? God is the Ever-Living and the Sustainer. He is the source of all life. That civilization, which imposes its hegemony across the world… No matter how many times you say that it is not anti-religious, everybody knows that it is.

[…]

“Why should we maintain our revolution? Why should our regime be revolutionary? Because our rivalry [with the West] is not yet completed. We did not carry out a revolution in order to join the international community and accept liberal democracy. Why would we have had to sacrifice so many martyrs if we only wanted to join liberal democracy? Why would we have had to suffer such depravation? It has all been done to bring about the age of [the Hidden Imam’s] reappearance. So the same revolutionary spirit that prevailed among the believers at the advent of Islam, during the Ashura, and following the occultation of the Hidden Imam should prevail now.”

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  1. Wellington says

    Aug 8, 2019 at 4:18 pm

    Ah yes, the “Hidden Imam.”

    Believe in this and you’re a “goner.”

    Guess all devout Shiites are “goners.”

    Then there is the matter of the Sunni who believe in a shitload of other ridiculous garbage (including wanting to exterminate Shiites from the face of the earth because the fictional Allah wants it so—so warm and cuddly, no?).

    Conclusion: Believe in Islam, Shiite or Sunni, or even minor sects of said religion like the Ahmadiyya, and anything is possible—to the eternal shame of such people forever.

    • Westman says

      Aug 8, 2019 at 5:02 pm

      This is like pre-WWII Japan, all over again. “God’s” appointed religious rulers running the show, threatening the “chosen and superior” pheasants with “hell” and shame unless willing to die for Allah and his demi-god clerics. Banzai, Allahu Akbar, its just the same old derangement.

      This only ends one way if Iran starts a war. It has 80 Million population with only about 30% (24 million) able or allowed to fight – most untrained. It faces a West and Sunnis with 100’s of Millions able to fight. Yet its leadership speaks and taunts as if God was on speed-dial.

      The population must be considering whether to risk a non-responsive “Allah” or overthrow the parasitic imposters.

      • CRUSADER says

        Aug 8, 2019 at 10:08 pm

        I feel sorry for the Zoroastrians and the Baha’i who are still in Iran…

        Lots of former Persians in Lost Angeles …
        wonder what they are thinking.

        • terry says

          Aug 9, 2019 at 9:45 am

          Blaming it all on Trump! lol

      • Christianblood says

        Aug 9, 2019 at 8:48 am

        Wellington posted

        (…Conclusion: Believe in Islam, Shiite or Sunni, or even minor sects of said religion like the Ahmadiyya, and anything is possible—to the eternal shame of such people forever…)

        I will only believe your statement above if the evidence show what you say is true and that minorities like the Shiites, Ahmadis and Ismaelies are just as violent jihadists as Sunni majority. Let us our political ideology aside and follow the evidence here, the evidence show us that the almost 40 thousand jihadist attacks around the globe since 9/11 were carried out not by Shiite, Ahmadis or Ismaeli jihadists BUT BY SUNNI JIHADISTS. Prove me wrong, show me the evidence, show me a single terror attack carried out by Shiites, Ahmadi or Ismaeli muslims and will apologize to you and will believe what you say.

        Please understand this:

        When I say prove me a terrorist attack that was perpetrated by minorities like the Shiites, Ahmadis or Ismaelies I mean show me a real terrorist attack like a suicide bombing in a mosque, a cinema, a bar, a church or a school, like the one that killed dozens of Christians in West Africa this week perpetrated by Iran or Hezbollah or by those minorities.

        Show me Shiite, Ahmadi or Ismaeli members beheading Westerners or Christians, Yazidis, Westerners or Sunnis on video while screaming allahu akbar! Show me Shiite, Ahmadi or Ismaeli terrorists gunning down people in night clubs or bombing trains, or attacking news paper offices and killing journalists or using vehicles and killing hundreds of civilians as happen in Europe for the past three years or flying planes into buildings!

        That is what I mean a terrorist attack which is a daily occurrence around the globe! So go ahead and show me a single one of these proven, verifiable terror attacks perpetrated by Ahmadis, Shiites or Ismaelis and I will immdeiately come to your side and apologize to you! And please stop believing in malicious and baseless propaganda lies against Iran being spread by the CIA’s lying machine! Why do you have to believe the lying and deceiving CIA propaganda
        which openly admits that it constantly lies, deceive and distort?

        • gravenimage says

          Aug 9, 2019 at 10:15 pm

          christianblood has repeatedly ignored –or worse, *justified*–Shia terrorism.

          The Ahmadi do reject Jihad, and suffer greatly for it at the hands of their more orthodox coreligionists. But even they embrace the imposition of brutal Shari’ah law, and regularly whitewash Islam for the credulous Kuffar.

        • Christianblood says

          Aug 10, 2019 at 8:17 am

          gravenimage

          I see no Shia terrorism, Graven! I see No Shiites beheading Westerners or Christians or Yazidis, or Sunnis on video while screaming allahu akbar! I see NO Shiite terrorists gunning down people in night clubs or bombing Churches, trains, or attacking news paper offices and killing journalists or using vehicle killing hundreds of civilians or flying planes into buildings etc. Once I see Shiite terrorists doing all of the above then I will fully agree with you, until I have NO ground to believe in your CIA orchestrated propaganda!

        • Angemon says

          Aug 10, 2019 at 11:12 am

          “I see no Shia terrorism, Graven! I”

          Oh, you see it – you just refuse to acknowledge it exists. I know this because you dared me to find shiite terror acts in the site thereligionofpeace. Which I did. And you bluntly responded with “those are not terror attacks”. Even though they are recorded as jihadi terror attacks on a website dedicated to record jihadi terror attacks.

        • Christianblood says

          Aug 10, 2019 at 8:19 am

          Correction:

          …Until then, I have NO grounds to believe in your CIA orchestrated propaganda!

        • Angemon says

          Aug 10, 2019 at 11:16 am

          “I will only believe your statement above if the evidence show what you say is true”

          Wellington has given the exact same amount of evidence you have brought to the table, therefore his statement is, at least, as credible as yours.

          “Prove me wrong, show me the evidence, show me a single terror attack carried out by Shiites”

          Already have – you, being the dishonest shill you are, simply refused to acknowledge it and, being the ghoulish, soulless beast you are, callously called Israeli civilians murdered in their homes, including single-digit-aged children and elderly people, “military personnel in military installations”.

          “and I will immdeiately come to your side and apologize to you!”

          I gave you the evidence you asked for. You did nothing of the sort. Do you need a refresher? I gave you this:

          2006.07.14 Israel Meron 2 3 Hezbollah rockets kill an elderly woman and her 5-year-old grandson. The boy’s mother and father are seriously injured.

          2006.07.13 Israel Safed 1 21 A 70-year-old Israeli woman is killed by a Hezbollah rocket.

          2014.01.17 Lebanon Arsal 7 15 Five young children are among seven who bleed to death as rockets are fired from a Hezbollah stronghold into a Sunni neighborhood.

          Three out of many. Did you “immdeiately come to my side and apologize”? Of course not. Your response was:

          Everything you pointed out above is military skirmishes between Israel and Hezbollah which are in state of war and these are NOT terror attacks!

          You lie. A lot. To defend muslim murderers. Why is that?

        • Christianblood says

          Aug 10, 2019 at 7:23 pm

          Angemon

          You are talking about wars and skirmishes that go on between Hezbollah and Israel, that is not terrorism, besides Israel attacks and assassinates Hezbollah leaders and operatives in Lebanon or Syria, sometimes with civilians dying in the process. Such incidents cannot subscribe to the terror attack list I pointed out in my comment above!

          My challenge stands:

          Show me Shiites beheading Westerners or Christians or Yazidis, or Sunnis on video while screaming allahu akbar! Show me Shiite terrorists gunning down people in night clubs or bombing Churches, trains, or attacking news paper offices and killing journalists or using vehicle killing hundreds of civilians or flying planes into buildings etc. Once I see Shiite terrorists doing all of the above then I will fully agree with you, until then, I have NO ground to believe in your CIA orchestrated propaganda!

          You can’t prove it because you have none! You believe false ideological propaganda! Period.

        • Angemon says

          Aug 11, 2019 at 7:20 am

          “Angemon

          You are talking about wars and skirmishes that go on between Hezbollah and Israel, that is not terrorism”

          No, I’m talking about your precious little jihadi buddies murdering Israel civilians in their homes – terrorism. Besides, one of the attacks was aimed at other muslims – your hezbollah buddies target Jewsas well as sunnis, which throws a wrench into your “shiites are peaceful” narrative.

          But by all means, keep calling the murder of single-digit-aged children in their homes “wars and skirmishes”. Do let everyone know I am right when I say you carry water for jihadi murderers of children.

          “besides Israel attacks and assassinates Hezbollah leaders and operatives ”

          Hezbollah leaders and operatives – so not single-digit-aged children, like the ones whose murders you’re defending. Shame on you. Shame! SHAME!!!!!

          “ sometimes with civilians dying in the process.”

          Yes, your buddies do like to use civilians as human shields. They rightfully believe that’ll stop Israeli attacks.

          “Such incidents cannot subscribe to the terror attack list I pointed out in my comment above!”

          You heard it here: for “christianblood”, the wilful murder of Israeli civilians in their homes, including elderly and single-digit-aged children, is not a terror attack. Ladies and gentlemen, our moral superior, “christianblood”!!!

          “My challenge stands:”

          No, your challenge was met – you simply refuse to acknowledge the obvious. Your precious little shites, through Iran and its proxies – proxies you gloated would, if a war with the US broke out, explode and fill the Middle East with violence and blood – are as ideologically driven to terrorists as the sunnis you decry. You simply refuse to acknowledge the truth because you have a geopolitical agenda to push. Were the roles reversed – were Iran aligned with the Western world and the Saudis aligned with the hellhole for women called “Russia” – you’d be here defending sunnis and decrying shiite terror.

          You are a purveyor of jihad, plain and simple. You carry water for the murderers of Christians in Iran and civilians in Israel. You also routinely engage in blood libel against Israel, so you’re an anti-semite to boot. That you claim to be a Christian is a mockery to Christianity and an insult to all those who died, for the “crime” of being Christians, at the hands of the scum you are defending.

        • gravenimage says

          Aug 10, 2019 at 7:42 pm

          christianblood wrote:

          gravenimage

          I see no Shia terrorism, Graven! I see No Shiites beheading Westerners or Christians or Yazidis, or Sunnis on video while screaming allahu akbar! I see NO Shiite terrorists gunning down people in night clubs or bombing Churches, trains, or attacking news paper offices and killing journalists or using vehicle killing hundreds of civilians or flying planes into buildings etc. Once I see Shiite terrorists doing all of the above then I will fully agree with you, until I have NO ground to believe in your CIA orchestrated propaganda!
          …………………………..

          christianblood has said before that Hezb’allah having blown up a Jewish Community Center in Argentina–still South America’s worst terrorist attack–is not terrorism because the victims were Jews. He also has said that blowing up American Embassies and barracks is justified, because he hates Americans. And, of course, he has many times lauded the Jihad against Israel here.

          Saying that calling the above terrorism is “CIA propaganda” is grotesque.

          Angemon lists numerous Jihad terror attacks–he calls the avowed Jihad to destroy Israel “skirmishes”. As Angemon notes, christianblood regularly defends Jihad murderers here.

          More:

          Show me Shiite terrorists gunning down people in night clubs or bombing Churches, trains, or attacking news paper offices and killing journalists or using vehicle killing hundreds of civilians or flying planes into buildings etc. Once I see Shiite terrorists doing all of the above then I will fully agree with you, until then, I have NO ground to believe in your CIA orchestrated propaganda!
          …………………………..

          The suicide bombing on the Asociación Mutual Israelita Argentina in 1994 killed 86 people–I suppose this death toll is not enough for christianblood because it did not top the hundred mark. *Ugh*.

  2. FYI says

    Aug 8, 2019 at 4:23 pm

    Oh Hidden Imam:come out of the closet..we compel thee by the power of Christ!

    And nowhere in the simple mind of an ayatollah is there any concept that..

    1 Al LAH,their pagan Arab god{aka baal “the BEST of deceivers” k3;54}might be deceiving them.

    2. if allah’s greatest enemy is a man called MALIK AL AMLAK{“king of kings”=Jesus Christ Revs 19:16}
    SAHIH MUSLIM VOL 5 hadith #5611,then they are already on the losing side.

    The forces of antiChrist are doomed{see the Apocalypse of St John for details}

    3.It would not be a good idea to go against Israel{Book of Joel 3}
    al lah the Arab god id NOT the actual Biblical God:that’s why the enemies of Israel never win.
    al lah will not protect his muslims from YHWH,the REAL DEAL.

    4.islamic “prophecy” is FALSE because it doesn’t come from the Source of Biblical Prophecy{2 peter 1 v 20-21},an aspect of God that allah {indirectly}tells muslims NOT to believe in k4:171 “Cease!say not three!it is better for you” says allah:but one of the three is God’s Holy Spirit of wisdom{=the source of true prophecy}
    And allah tells his muslims it is better they do NOT believe in God’s wisdom.
    What idiocy is that!

    Al lah’s name?”The BEST OF DECEIVERS” k3:54{BIG CLUE THERE}

    5.Goliath was defeated by David.
    goliath “prayed” to his false god.
    David prayed to the Actual God.

    al lah{hubaal} is the moslem god;al lah is NOT the Biblical God.
    Symbollically,the enemies of Israel are goliath?who can defeat mighty goliath!?

    • CRUSADER says

      Aug 8, 2019 at 10:10 pm

      Where do Ba’al and this Ghost Imam intersect?

  3. FYI says

    Aug 8, 2019 at 4:53 pm

    I would like to ask the ayatollah {or the hidden imam when he appears }a question:

    Speaking of hidden,do they by any chance have any knowledge as to the whereabouts of muhammed’s FANTASY FLYING HORSE WITH A WOMAN’S FACE AND A PEACOCK TAIL?

    You know the one he flew on from mecca to Jerusalem to visit that mosque that{laughably and inconveniently} didn’t actually exist in mo’s time k17.1

    I wanna believe allah,i wanna believe!..but I simply must know where muhammed’s horsey is?
    Is it in a cave wit the Hidden imam?
    It’s definitely not on the Moon:we can safely rule that out as muhammed split it in half didn’t he?
    Where are you girl?

    • CRUSADER says

      Aug 8, 2019 at 10:17 pm

      Gone Girl

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=esGn-xKFZdU

  4. gravenimage says

    Aug 8, 2019 at 4:54 pm

    Senior ayatollah says Iran must engage in “widespread fighting” with the West for the Hidden Imam to reappear
    ……………………….

    Yes–this is how these loons think.

    • Westman says

      Aug 8, 2019 at 5:20 pm

      Maybe we could call this, “echo magic”. The clerics sound like a computer that holds all the Quran, Hadith, and Sharia in memory and assembles sentences by tying phrases from these sources together under a set of rules. Perhaps the first real AI machine can serve as an Imam or Mullah. With enforcement of bid’a, all the clerics could be replaced by AI.

  5. David Grisez says

    Aug 8, 2019 at 5:23 pm

    I remember the former mayor of New York, Rudy Giuliani saying that these Ayatollahs in Iran are insane. Start a big war so that the hidden Imam can return, that is insane. All the more reason that the Islamic Republic of Iran must never have nuclear weapons. We need to take this into consideration when dealing with the Islamic Republic of Iran. Because of Twelver Shite Islam these Ayatollahs are dangerous.

    • Westman says

      Aug 8, 2019 at 8:14 pm

      Remember the former President Ahmadini-nutjob? In 2015 he accused the US of trying to find and arrest the Mahdi. You can’t make this looney-tune stuff up…

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/06/24/irans-ahmadinejad-says-the-u-s-is-out-to-get-the-hidden-imam-who-um-disappeared-in-the-10th-century/

    • Keys says

      Aug 8, 2019 at 8:25 pm

      Dangerous indeed ! Especially for their own people.

      Consider that these imams are like an angry, mentally disturbed fanatic in a public place with an AK47, only a billion times more powerful in their bloodlust.

  6. overman says

    Aug 8, 2019 at 5:27 pm

    “Senior ayatollah says Iran must engage in “widespread fighting” with the West”

    This is how civil war/wars will be inititiated across Europe. We will be fighting them in the streets.

  7. Angemon says

    Aug 8, 2019 at 5:54 pm

    Shouldn’t surprise anyone – this is part of what drives them against Israel…

  8. White knight says

    Aug 8, 2019 at 6:01 pm

    First of all During Muhammad’s time, there was no West, they only knew of what the Bible and Scriptures held in truth, which they corrupted to form their golden calf. That cube is nothing more than a vessel of demonic gods created by Satan’s Demons. They can claim all they want but not one witness had actually written any part of the Quran, and was all the crazy Imams that created the moon god Allah. Show us your powerful Allah, why do you hide? Is your Allah not all knowing and great enough to take on non-believers himself? Moses had more power given to him by the true God, and Jesus had more power invested in him by God himself was in him. Bring it on fools, and meet your Allah in the Pit. You have crossed the line separating Hell from earth and will open up to you all, and swallow you all up. This earth was given to man, and you are not in that group, as un-believers of Christ you have defiled his majesty’s honor. And as for waiting for your Allah to come, for the past 1600 years he has kept the truth hidden from you.

    • CRUSADER says

      Aug 8, 2019 at 10:41 pm

      White knight,

      hmmm… 1400 years of Islam, more accurate.
      1200 years of a written Queer’an, most likely.

      And, well, there was a loosely formed notion called “Christendom” !

      Christ founded Christianity, but Constantine founded Christendom —
      the ‘inauguration of Christendom’ … 4th century,
      with Constantine playing the primary role ….

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christendom#Related_terms

      +++++++++++++++++++++

  9. Isntlam says

    Aug 8, 2019 at 6:09 pm

    “In Order for the Hidden Imam to Reappear We Must Engage in ‘Widespread Fighting’ with the West”
    He says that like it’s a good thing.

  10. Lydia Church says

    Aug 8, 2019 at 8:34 pm

    “Hidden Imam”???
    I suppose he is referring to what is called the ‘mahdi’ or something like that in islam.
    Let me explain.
    This will get into comparative religions here.

    As Christians, we know there is one Savior; Jesus. He came in the flesh to save us from our sins. His return will deal with judgment upon the world for those who have not repented from sin, among other things but in each case that is the main one for each arrival. He has many titles; Messiah, Savior, Prophet, Messenger of God, Priest, King, Shepherd, Lamb of God, Servant of God, Prince of Peace, Bridegroom of the church, the Son of God, the First and the Last, the Word of God, and the list goes on. But make no mistake, it is Him and no other. AND, the return will not be as the first arrival, He won’t be born as a man and live among us again as before, but rather He will be seen by all in the clouds at the end of the age.

    Now it turns out that many other religions are awaiting a ‘savior’ of some sort. islam is no exception, and theirs is called the ‘mahdi’ and there are certain criteria for his arrival and it coincides with their views on the end times. In mystical eastern and new agey religions there are other names for this but they have figures as well that are expected to be some sort of global ‘savior.’ Of course none of these are, since it is uniquely Jesus. There is no other world savior.

    But… as we approach the end times, all religions are fixating on their expected figure of ‘world salvation.’ There is some interesting material on several Christian blogs and it is known to a few… about some people that were talking about this false ‘savior’s arrival and what he would accomplish. If you google ‘Alice Bailey’ or ‘Helena Blavatsky’ over at Lighthouse Trails Research Project website or somewhere similar, you will see what it says. It is some end times supposed ‘guru’ that is supposed to lead the world into world peace. Which of course is not possible unless they all bow at the foot of the cross, which they won’t. But it’s part and parcel of the end times deception.

    Also interesting is that the Jews are still awaiting (mistakenly) the messiah. (Daniel’s prophesy of 70 weeks of years until Messiah would arrive already pinpointed his arrival to the time Jesus was born, but alas… they don’t get it.) But just as Jesus said, He comes in His Father’s name, and they receive Him not, but if one comes in his own name, him they will receive. (Guess who claimed to have come in his own name at the 2015 meeting at the UN? I’ll give you one guess! Yup. PF.) The ‘messiah’ that the Jews receive will the the antichrist. Also, some heresies within end times apostasy of the church also hold to a physical rebirth of the real Messiah, Jesus, as if He would walk the earth with us as before. But no.

    What happens is all of these figures (of course not Jesus), but all these expected ‘savior’s will coincide in one person, all religions will receive him as their ‘messenger’ from ‘god,’ but the catch is that he will be the Antichrist. Some will even mistake him for their false idea of Jesus!

    World events will turn catastrophic and the AC will emerge as the ‘world savior’ and most will follow after him, except those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

    Good to know, right?

    • Lydia Church says

      Aug 8, 2019 at 8:41 pm

      Edit: Jews receive will the the antichrist. Should read “Jews receive will be the antichrist.”

      Also, when you read the material by those people (Alice and Helena and others) you will also see them referring to a ‘purge’ or ‘cleansing’ or ‘selection process.’ If it sounds like the Holocaust, that’s because it is. According to them, true Christians are the ones they claim are ‘standing in the way’ of world peace, and we will have to be ‘done away with.’ There was even some sort of ritual mentioned. Yeah. It gets deep and it’s all interconnected. Just know that anyone who dies for Jesus, it is a martyrdom and our souls go to God.

      • Rarely says

        Aug 8, 2019 at 11:03 pm

        I get it. The version of Christianity that you follow is the TRUE religion and every other belief is wrong. You’re as nuts as they are with their “hidden imam”.

      • CRUSADER says

        Aug 8, 2019 at 11:31 pm

        Lydia, let’s just skip over disrespectful Rarely, for now…

        you’ve mentioned The New American a few times recently…

        — have you looked at these sites? :

        https://eagleforum.org/

        https://www.phyllisschlafly.com/

    • CRUSADER says

      Aug 8, 2019 at 9:43 pm

      “Khartoum”

      — The Mad Mahdi speaking to his “beloved”

      (portrayal by a black-faced Laurence Olivier, blessings be upon him)

      Oh! Where oh where is our underdog
      Charleston (Gordon) Heston,
      these days?

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nZL_TOV9-m0

  11. Daniel Triplett says

    Aug 8, 2019 at 9:14 pm

    Let’s oblige the Ayatollah and get the ass-kicking started.

    Let’s be honest and face it. It’s going to happen. We can either do it now, asymmetrically, where only we have nukes. Or we can do it later, when we both have nukes.

    • CRUSADER says

      Aug 8, 2019 at 9:37 pm

      “Clash of Civilizations” by Sam Huntington

      https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/united-states/1993-06-01/clash-civilizations

      https://www.cato-unbound.org/2017/02/06/emma-ashford/what-we-get-wrong-about-clash-civilizations

      “

      ….Understanding these points of divergence does not require acceptance of Huntington’s theory. Indeed, many of Huntington’s ideas are inimical to liberal values, from his distasteful views on immigration and multiculturalism to his argument that the West should seek to hobble the economic development of countries elsewhere.

      But it is important to understand these ideas.

      Trump’s administration appears to bring U.S. foreign policy another step closer to embracing a Huntingtonian view of the world; senior administration members genuinely appear to believe the United States is engaged in an existential civilizational struggle. Yet they also seem unaware of Huntington’s cassandraic warnings against pursuing actions which are more likely to provoke conflict with other states than prevent them. If the administration continues down this path, the results may be grim.

      “

      — well, that’s from Cato – unbound,
      but Cato never understood Caesar the First!!!

  12. CRUSADER says

    Aug 8, 2019 at 9:29 pm

    Uh Oh !!

    USA’s CDC shuts down Ebola research center for lack of safe procedures for containment…

    Aren’t the Jihadists looking to Bio agents as a way to erode strength in nations of The West?

    😩

  13. sheliak says

    Aug 8, 2019 at 11:02 pm

    Christendom fought brutal and savage internal wars for centuries. Why is it so difficult for the contemporary western mind to acknowledge that some Shiite clergy are serious about inducing armageddon.

    • Rarely says

      Aug 8, 2019 at 11:06 pm

      I saw the movie — Vincent Price played the Hidden Imam. Hackneyed plotline — totally predictable.

  14. me says

    Aug 9, 2019 at 1:22 am

    Although for the most part I agree that Islam is basically a vile, undharmic, supremecist social ideology, sometimes even your enemy may speak some truth, and here it is: “In the West, they said: ‘God is dead.’ Nietzsche said this, right? Is there anything that can be more impolite than for a rotten carcass like Nietzsche to say that God is dead? God is the Ever-Living and the Sustainer. He is the source of all life. That civilization, which imposes its hegemony across the world… No matter how many times you say that it is not anti-religious, everybody knows that it is.” This ayatollah saw completely through the defect that is western secularism and liberalism.

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 9, 2019 at 10:22 pm

      me, here in the free world people can say what they want so long as they are not inciting violence. Few here actually agree with Nietzsche, but he absolutely had the right to say this.

      Your idea that it is better to believe in a deity that demands the submission or slaughter of all unbelievers is *very* questionable, and is certainly not Christian.

  15. Demsci says

    Aug 9, 2019 at 2:39 am

    What if the way this imam reasons is how the Iranian regime leadership thinks. When a country leadership has nuclear weapons and the way to deliver them in the enemy’s home, and when the enemy has the same capability, that is usually beneficial for peace, through MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction). But this article shows that likely the attitude of Iran’s leaders is that of a giant suicide bomber. Unlike the attitude of the leaders of the Western countries, Soviet Union/ Russia, China, India, Israel, North Korea, hopefully even Pakistan (focused as it is on competition with India).

    What if “Iran” thinks that a war now is no good, one-sided as it is, with only assured destruction of themselves. But that a war, where not only they, but also their enemies are hugely decimated, is “necessary”, for the “hidden imam to appear in the end of times. And of course, their dead become martyrs, and the enemies dead go to hell. What if they think they can bring about this lose-lose situation? Then MAD-deterrence doesn’t work anymore.

    That is why I think Iran is uniquely dangerous. And that the fear and warnings of John Bolton and Mike Pompeo are right. And why I think that the JCPOA in the long run would not have worked. As is was the case with Pakistan and North Korea Iran will just hide and continue it’s nuclear programme and the control of the IAEA was not fool-proof.

    “Iran” (leaders) is very tough. And it may be unstoppable under the current circumstances. There is so much support for Iran from other dictatorial countries. So many democratic leaders, in America as in European democracies, do not see the danger some of us see, and just want to appease, with a faulty treaty as excuse.

    Sooner or later either the regime must fall or the nuclear bombs will fall. But the regime is so damn tough. And US starting a war is so “forbidden” ever since the invasion of Iraq, in public opinion, EVERYWHERE.

    I still hope for regime change, but see the Iranian threat now as bigger than the threat of global warming. And I believe the Israeli’s when they say that they will fight before they allow Iran to have a nuclear bomb. And I read that Israel’s F-35’s now can stealthily reach Teheran. And whereas “Iran” hopes for a Democratic president, Israel dreads that prospect. And it should not gamble on America’s good will after 2020. Something has got a give before 2021, it seems to me, but what?

  16. jayell says

    Aug 9, 2019 at 4:46 am

    “Mohammad Mehdi Mirbagheri: “If we stand by our ideology of truth, it is moral for us to fight. ‘Fighting in the cause of Allah’ constitutes an entirely moral war…..”

    1. Mohammad Mehdi Mirbagheri’s ‘ideology of truth’ specifically promotes lying and deceit in clear, black-and-white language….in order to spread its ‘truth’ amongst Unbelievers. Interesting. So you blatantly lie in order to promote ‘truth’? What sort of ‘truth’ depends on lies for its justification? Or do muslims have a different definition of the concept of ‘truth’ (e.g., ‘whatever suits our quasi-racist supremacist purposes’, just like good old Mohammed).
    2. So it’s ‘moral’ to fight for what you stand for…….quite right, assuming you are being attacked in the first place, which then constitutes self-defence. However, what exactly is the ’cause of Allah’? According to Mohammed’s Holy Book, it’s to subdue all of humanity and bring them under the control of islam. Which amounts to repressive, hostile imperialism, as per the National Socialism of the Third Reich (even down to the elements of genocidal antisemitism and overt or implied supremacist racism). On this basis, ‘fighting in the cause of Allah’ would be just as morally defensible for Mirbagheri s ‘fighting for the Fatherland’ was for Adolf Hitler.

  17. fredoniahead says

    Aug 9, 2019 at 8:53 am

    What he said about the West being godless is true, but it is not irreligious. The religion of the West, including the US, is Evolutionism and/or Secular Humanism. It goes hand-in-hand with Marxism and the Left.
    Darwin and Evolutionism are defended at all cost in academia and in the courts. You dare not blaspheme the unholy name of their apostle Darwin or you’re blackballed, fired, denied tenure, denied grant money, etc. FACT. The ACLU and Leftist judges uphold and defend this religion at all cost. No one acts this insane over science. They only act this insane when their religion is threatened. Evolutionism/Humanism/Scientism, whatever you want to call it, is the religion of academia and the media. The ayatollah is correct as far as that goes. And the deluded need not tell me otherwise because I have seen it with my own eyes.

    It began to be noticed in the culture in the early 60’s when God was removed from the public arena and replaced with Darwin’s Monkey Religion. FACT…FULL STOP. With the help of the insidious Frankfurt school, this is what brought about the present state of Cultural Marxist PC psychosis the West is currently under. It is perpetuated by the mainstream media, Hollywood, and academia. Cultural Marxism is NOT an ideology one dies for. It does not give people anything to live for much less die for. It does not inspire people to fight for what is right and for their freedom and way of life like they once did at places like Vienna and Tours. If the Europeans that fought at those places had been under the same lukewarm ideology as they are today, Islam would have won. Heck, that could be said about WWII. This demonic ideology has only become extant over the last, say, 50 years in the West. It crept in slow like a sneaky form of cancer.

    PC Marxism and Darwinsim are two sides of the same coin. Without Darwinism in academia, the Leftist Marxist zeitgeist they enjoy can not exist. They are mutually inclusive. After writing the Communist Manifesto, Marx was overjoyed when Darwin published Origin of Species. He said to Richard Engels, “Darwin, whom I am just now reading is splendid. Finally, we now have what we need to back up our theory”. Pure materialism. A new religion. This religion has been responsible for Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, and various other godless Communist tyrants. Behind it all was their religion…Darwinism. They were now intellectually fulfilled atheists.

    In the US, Islam is currently allied with these same Marxists to destroy and undermine the US. But that is another topic.

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 9, 2019 at 10:24 pm

      Actually, 83% of Americans are Christian. Mot of them don’t believe that they have to reject science in order to be devout.

  18. Christina Pansy says

    Aug 9, 2019 at 8:58 am

    Religious fanatics are the very worst and most dangerous kind of fanatics. The Mullahs are religious fanatics who believe in kooky Muslim prophecies.

    • Daniel Triplett says

      Aug 9, 2019 at 2:40 pm

      Devout Muslims aside…

      Hitler, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, and Pol Pot were all atheists. They also had bad or non-existent relationships with their biological fathers.

  19. Walter Sieruk says

    Aug 9, 2019 at 2:40 pm

    To explain al this talk in Iran from the ayatollahs and mullahs about the of the reappearance of the “Hidden Imam” otherwise known as the “Mahdi”. It’s therefore appropriate to give some Bible based information with authorized Islamic literature also taken into account and yet not to go into detail and that state that this is a theory of Bible prophecy and not a complete prophecy fact.

    This is what might happen. This awful and terrible conflict in the twenty -first century is part of the war between the Judo- Christian West and the Islamic East. The Mahdi will arise in the Middle East he will appear a wonderful man to many people, in reality he will be wicked man and will be so very deceitful and lying to he will seem, very much, like a good righteous and rightly guided man who will make a short and false “peace” in the Middle East. The Mahdi with have a partner who will be the false “jesus” of Islam. This Islamic ”jesus” will give Christian’s a choice , which is convert to Islam or die by beheading, this is the Koranic way to killing non-Muslims, as in 47:4. Those vicious murders of Christians in the future are predicted in the Bible. As seen in Revelation 20:4. Furthermore in Israel the Mahdi “shall divide the land” Daniel 11:39. [K.J.V.] between the Jews and Muslims and the Mahdi will also by many deceiving lying signs and wonders, will unify Shi ‘ite and Sunni Islam together common goal destroying the State of Israel ,once and for all. The Mahdi will then take the all the military force of Islam with Satanic intention of totally destroying the Jewish State, one and for all. The when the Second Coming of real Jesus will occur .This is at the Battle of Armageddon where the final and complete defeat of the Mahdi, along with false ”jesus,” and his Islamic military forces. After the great Victory there will be then the total destruction of Islam. As found in the Bible in, for example, Ezekiel chapter 37 and 38. Zechariah Chapter 12 and then 14:9-21 well as in Revelation 19:11-21.

    There is an Christian Arab pastor ,Michael Youssef who had written two well researched and informative books about the Islamic messiah called the Mahdi the are END TIMES AND THE SECRET OF THE MAHDI also the book entitled JESUS , JIHAD AND PEACE Furthermore, another Christian author on the topic of the Mahdi and prophecy is other than pastor Youssef is Joel Richardson who wrote THE ISLAMIC ANTICHRIST :THE SHOCKING TRUTH ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE BEAST and the other book entitled THE MIDEAST BEAST : THE SCRIPTURAL CASE FOR THE ISLAMIC ANTICHRIST.

  20. Angemon says

    Aug 9, 2019 at 4:05 pm

    “I will only believe your statement above if the evidence show what you say is true ”

    Wellington has given the exact same amount of evidence you have brought to the table, therefore his statement is, at least, as credible as yours.

    “Prove me wrong, show me the evidence, show me a single terror attack carried out by Shiites”

    Already have – you, being the dishonest shill you are, simply refused to acknowledge it and, being the ghoulish, soulless beast you are, callously called Israeli civilians murdered in their homes, including single-digit-aged children and elderly people, “military personnel in military installations”.

    “and I will immdeiately come to your side and apologize to you! ”

    I gave you the evidence you asked for. You did nothing of the sort. Do you need a refresher? I gave you this:

    2006.07.14 Israel Meron 2 3 Hezbollah rockets kill an elderly woman and her 5-year-old grandson. The boy’s mother and father are seriously injured.

    2006.07.13 Israel Safed 1 21 A 70-year-old Israeli woman is killed by a Hezbollah rocket.

    2014.01.17 Lebanon Arsal 7 15 Five young children are among seven who bleed to death as rockets are fired from a Hezbollah stronghold into a Sunni neighborhood.

    Three out of many. Did you “immdeiately come to my side and apologize”? Of course not. Your response was:

    Everything you pointed out above is military skirmishes between Israel and Hezbollah which are in state of war and these are NOT terror attacks!

    You lie. A lot. To defend muslim murderers. Why is that?

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 9, 2019 at 10:24 pm

      +1

  21. David Thompson says

    Aug 9, 2019 at 4:25 pm

    Is this the islamic equivalent of Wheres Wally

  22. Harold Armitage says

    Aug 10, 2019 at 3:47 am

    This lot look pretty muslim!

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10158726496869867&set=a.146898444866&type=3&theater&ifg=1

  23. Horseman says

    Aug 10, 2019 at 4:14 pm

    The “Hidden Imam…” Funny. Almost childlike.

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