Well, there is certainly no doubt they would promote BDS in Israel. I’m not generally in favor of barring people from countries unless they’re involved in criminal activity, but in this case that’s exactly what Tlaib and Omar would have been involved in: encouraging the implacable and genocidal jihad against Israel.
It’s official: Israel will bar Congresswomen @RashidaTlaib and @IlhanMN from entering Israel due to "suspected provocations and promotion of BDS” at this time the final decision is been drafted and passed for comments before a press release. https://t.co/YikKaKe97g
— Dana Weiss (@danawt) August 15, 2019
Greycap says
This foreign ‘modern world’ I feel like a visiting, alien in trying to cope with the plethora of initials used in it.
America has always been partial to using initials, but this has now gone right over the top. Take this one, for instance, from our own, venerated Robert Spencer, “promotion of BDS”. I’m 85 but couldn’t discover the mysteries of ‘BDS’ as no explanation was clear in the text body.
Oh well, just have to live with yet another unanswerable mystery, I suppose.
marc says
Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions against Israel
It’s worth learning a few search engine skills at any age
Mary says
+1
FYI says
Balderdash,Dissembling,and Shiftyness against Israel…
CRUSADER says
THAT’S the definition I came up with, too, when I took the effort to actually type in a search on my new fangled internets finding device!
So right, FYI, you whippersnapper! LOL
gravenimage says
Yes, Greycap–you can just Google this (or use any other search engine).
Some acronyms are indeed obscure–this one is not.
mortimer says
Robert Spencer is correct. Arab opposition to a Jewish homeland is JIHAD and it is also GENOCIDAL. Many, but not all Muslims have this genocidal ideation tucked away in their minds and if it occurred, they would have no objection to it. High quality Israeli products and services will continue to be in high demand regardless of trendy Lefties and their jihadist-terrorist pals.
If Middle East Arabs abandoned Islam, there would be no objection to a Jewish homeland in Israel. Then everyone could live in harmony and mutual prosperity.
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CRUSADER says
Kumbaya!
Anjuli Pandavar says
Alhamdulillah!
CRUSADER says
“Palestine from the river to the sea!”
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Political commentator Marc Lamont Hill has apologized for his use of a phrase associated with Palestinian extremists in a U.N. address discussing the plight of the Palestinians.
Hill, a professor of media studies and urban education at Temple who also hosts the syndicated television show “Our World with Black Enterprise,” called for “a free Palestine from the river to the sea” on Wednesday during an event held at the United Nations for the International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People.
“We have an opportunity to not just offer solidarity in words but to commit to political action, grassroots action, local action and international action that will give us what justice requires and that is a free Palestine from the river to the sea,” Hill said.
CNN announced the day after the remarks that it had fired Hill.
In an op-ed published Saturday in Hill’s hometown newspaper, the Philadephia Inquirer, he wrote: “Critics of this phrase have suggested that I was calling for violence against Jewish people. In all honesty, I was stunned, and saddened, that this was the response.”
“Palestine from the river to the sea” was a slogan of the Palestine Liberation Organization beginning with its founding in 1964, claiming a Palestinian state between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea and rejecting control by Israel of any land in the region, including areas controlled by Israel prior to 1967. It later became a popular political slogan used by Palestinians who reject compromise with Israel, including the terror group Hamas, which calls for the destruction of Israel.
Hill said in his op-ed that he was calling for justice in the area from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea in the form of a single binational democratic state that encompasses Israel, the West Bank and Gaza.
“Throughout my speech, I spoke explicitly about the need for Israeli political reform, specifically as it pertains to Arab citizens of Israel. I also called for a redrawing of borders to the pre-1967 lines, as well as a greater attention to human rights for those living in the West Bank and Gaza. At the time, I believed that these demands made in the speech sufficiently reflected my belief in radical change within Israel, not a desire for its destruction,” he wrote. “Clearly they did not.
“I take seriously the voices of so many Jewish brothers and sisters, who have interpreted my remarks as a call to or endorsement of violence. Rather than hearing a political solution, many heard a dog-whistle that conjured a long and deep history of violence against Jewish people. Although this was the furthest thing from my intent, those particular words clearly caused confusion, anger, fear, and other forms of harm. For that, I am deeply sorry.”
Hill also said that he has called for a rejection of anti-Semitism in any form, including preventing physical violence against Jews, as well as anti-Semitic images.
Israel’s government and many Jews regard the call for a single binational state as a euphemism for a political, if not violent, rejection of Jewish sovereignty.
https://www.jta.org/2018/12/02/united-states/commentator-marc-lamont-hill-op-ed-apologizes-use-phrase-free-palestine-river-sea
mortimer says
Clearly, Tlaib and Omar were on a fault-finding mission. Israel is a country at war with a number of armed enemies within and without. In times of war different criteria are at play. I would agree that complete freedom of expression is desirable at all times when a country is a peace. The countries surrounding Israel should stop permitting terrorist groups to exist inside their territory. The security problems of Israel are manufactured by Islamic governments.
CRUSADER says
“….complete freedom of expression is desirable…”
(That’s rich!)
Peter Dale says
Best news ever!
Steve B says
I don’t know. I do not like these congresswomen but I think banning them falls right into their narrative. But since their hatred of Jews and Israel is so intense I doubt there’s ANY good response to this.
Herb says
Don’t let these Muslims fool you. They are followers of the Quran and anyone who are not Muslim are to be killed or subdued and humiliated until their religion is superior above all others. If that don’t work, they kill you by beheading. I didn’t read anything in the Quran that states to kill by IED or bombs, it says smite them on their necks. Byt the sword is all they know and they have no education to understand what is right, as they have to get their meaning from Imams, which make up the meaning of the Qurans words to do their bidding. Even Muhammad changed words to suite his agenda so that means he took up Allah’s ways. There is no Ahhah, this was a god that was one of the idol gods in the Kaaba, and still is today. Why won’t they allow anyone inside the Kaaba to see the truth, that is hidden from the un-educated Muslim?
Kay says
That’s a risk. My guess is that Israeli intelligence discovered plans that led to this decision.
I’m left wondering who or what group is the force behind these women. No freshmen congressmen should have the time and energy to incite so much discord at home, and definitely not abroad.
GreekEmpress says
+1
Maybe Mossad or IDF did uncover something suspicious. Definitely a possibility.
CRUSADER says
Trump might use that info on them a year from now — in time for election exposure.
andra says
Israel is an indipendant state. They can freely decide who is welcome and who not. I think the West would do better if we treated this kind of traitors the same way.
Antiislamicman says
Stop letting Islam in like Israel are doing, it will eventually kill you if you let it grow. Islam is a cancer.
Herb says
And the cure for Cancer is Radiation is it not? They need cancer therapy.
andra says
With this kind of statement in Germany you would go to court and might have to pay a great fee or even go to prison because of hatespeech.
CRUSADER says
a llamar al pan pan, y al vino vino.”
= “to call bread bread, and to call wine wine.”
Steve says
Darn. I was hoping Israel would let them in, detain them at the airport and then give them a one way ticket to Iran. That way Israel could keep them from entering Israel and also keep them from entering the U.S. and give them a true taste of Islam and how it treats women
Anjuli Pandavar says
I was imagining a scenario where TLV airport security asks Omar to remove her hijab and she refuses, of course. Israelis are most definitely not dhimmis. A story with so many possible endings…
Ah well. We’ll just have to fill in the blanks ourselves.
WPM says
These two woman always put their foot in their mouths when they are promoting their Islamic causes. If they were allowed to visit Israel I am sure their speeches there, meeting with known terrorist ,and terrorist organization would do more to hurt the democratic party in America more then anything the Republican party members of congress can say publicly about them. Maybe some of the diehard liberal Jewish voters in America would wake up with the circus that a visited by these two Jew haters visiting Israel would produce. Keeping them from visiting puts them back in the victim category in the news cycle, they can point their fingers saying they would not be allowed to visit because Israel is scared of exposing its “racist policy” even though Israel has the most rights for Moslems living in it then any Moslem majority country in the Middle East. That being said Israel has the right to ban anyone for outside the country that promotes terror and violent over throw of it rightfully elected government (just like America has the same right). How and why these two terror promoting lunatics got elected to congress show the depth the democratic party in America has sunk.
CRUSADER says
They’d claim victim status and point fingers — anyway.
Best to call a spade a spade ♠️….
Rarely says
They were likely just going to visit the West Bank and had to go through Israel to get there. Now they’ll have to find another route. Good luck in that.
I don’t know if banning them is a good idea or not, after all, they are elected Congresswomen of Israel’s most important ally. Other Congressmen have taken this trip to the West Bank without interference.
CRUSADER says
These two have seethed hatred for Israel and worked against American policies since the time they got into office only several months ago. There is a reason they are linked to The Squad.
In other times — more honest times, they’d be noted as traitors.
Rarely says
All true. I’m sure I dislike them as much as you do but I think that it could be beneficial if they actually visited Israel otherwise than to just pass through. Couldn’t hurt anyway.
Tom says
Israel’s respect for the US Congress has been stretched by the election and subsequent vile and hatred filled rhetoric coming from both of these Muslim Congresswomen, which they have aimed directly at Israel.
The Democratic Party is now the party of hatred and division, which is borne out by the election of not only these two women, but also the ultra left wing AO Cortez. This ex bartender is an example of far left the Democrat Party has moved and just how unreal their representation is.
The left and Islam have completely infiltrated and destroyed what was once a middle of the road party that used to represent the political views of the average American.
Obama started this decline into radical left wing politics and this current crop of Democrats is continuing the decline of the party into anarchy.
It’s no wonder that someone Like Trump was elected in 2016 and the reason why he will be re-elected with a super majority in 2020.
James Lincoln says
Excellent analysis, Tom. My compliments.
I wish that AOC would go back to being a bartender, sooner rather than later…
Dano says
Her coworkers don’t want her back. They say she was known for stealing their tips. Not surprising really.
lebel says
” I’m not generally in favor of barring people from countries unless they’re involved in criminal activity, but in this case that’s exactly what Tlaib and Omar would have been involved in: encouraging the implacable and genocidal jihad against Israel.”
1. You are in favor of banning people from countries, just not you and your friends. It’s like saying “I am not in favor of censorship but just this once”.
2. Your double standards are spectacular, when people kill Bosnians you call it the-genocide-that-never-was but boycotting products is genocide.
Don McKellar says
They are involved in criminal activity according to Israeli law. In 2017 they enacted such a law banning people who are pushing BDS like these two publicly are. According to Israel’s law, the state can prohibit from entering the country any foreigner who “knowingly issues a public call for boycotting Israel.” So, they were going there for criminal activity. Just like the US can ban somebody from China who is clearly going there to steal military secrets and harm the US.
When Robert Spencer was banned from the UK, there was no law he was going there to break and no law specifying why he could be denied entry. He was banned with vague language about causing disruption or something. No comparison can be made, little lebel.
James Lincoln says
Don McKellar,
lebel, from all the postings that I’ve seen, is about pushing his personal slanted agenda.
He does not use factual evidence-based logic, and will never gain the insight to change.
I would recommend ignoring him.
CRUSADER says
In general, it is best to ignore “little lebel”.
Still interesting to read Don McKellar’s reply, however.
Demsci says
With all due respect, James, Lebel is from the opposition, in a sense he is a lawyer of the defense, prejudiced. But Jihad Watch acts a bit like a prosecutor, district attorney, also prejudiced, mind you, in a world replete with Islam-apologists, including in the MSM and in politics, and Hollywood, Academia etc.
And in such a scenario, of defense and prosecution, the idea is not for either of them to persuade the other, but the goal is to convince the “judges and juries”, the public, the visitors of JW. Among whom might be Muslims. Perhaps Lebel is posting to influence them. And perhaps response to him can be influential and answer many of their prejudices and questions.
James Lincoln says
Good points, Demsci.
We can learn from each other…
lebel says
“They are involved in criminal activity according to Israeli law.”
OK there are blashphemy laws criminalizing certain types of speech in certain countries. Does the fact that they based on laws give them more legitimacy in your eyes?
People who profess to love and defend freedom of speech should be consistent. In other words, it’s wrong even when Israel does it. Israel has criminalized a certain type of speech that cannot be compared to espionage. What’s next? we will ban those who criticize us?
Let’s revisit this argument when a Muslim country bans someone based on their own laws. I guarantee you right here right now that your reaction and that of others here will be vastly different.
gravenimage says
Tlaib and Omar support violence against Israel. This is not just a peaceful difference of opinion.
CRUSADER says
lebel would yell:
“Set palestine free! “from the river to the sea” !”
and
“Hamas! Hamas! Jews to the gas!”
Angemon says
“You are in favor of banning people from countries”
Look at brave little lebel, speaking truth to power and proving to everyone that Robert Spencer is OK with barring people from entering a country… even though Robert Spencer admitted that in the fragment lebel is quoting:
Ups! Someone needs to spend more time reading what they’re replying to…
“but boycotting products is genocide.”
According to you, that is…
Norger says
@lebel
Were you in favor of Robert Spencer being banned from the UK? Serious question.
lebel says
No, I was against it.
Demsci says
By the same token, of avoiding double standards, with a heavy heart, I suppose that if we accept Israel prevents certain persons, from or in favor of certain organisations, from entering, then we ourselves also must grudgingly accept it when Britain prevents entry for “our people”, like Robert, Pamela Geller and Laura Southern.
gravenimage says
Demsci, Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller have never preached violence.
gravenimage says
Robert Spencer is an entirely peaceful man–he is not preaching violence against Britain–just the opposite, in fact.
Whereas, Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar do mean Israel anything but harm.
Demsci says
Lebel, you are equating barring people from entering a country with censorship. But the congresswomen are not censored at all. They are not “included” in a jail, merely “excluded from a country”.
And, when we investigate, won’t we find that all over the world and throughout history, nation states did such things as exiling and prohibiting entry or scaring people to stay away? Even now Israeli’s are not welcome in many Muslim countries, by law or by scaring atmosphere there for them.
In Holland people who both have business in Israel and Arab countries frequently ask for a second passport. And you must know that the problem is not that Israel objects to visitors who also visit Arab countries.
Why then are you “singling out Israel?”
jewdog says
These monsters are what we get when we have significant Muslim immigration. The upside is that they provide important lessons for people who may wonder what Israel has to face in terms of their adversary’s mentality, in all its hateful ugliness. Not that the Jewish liberals who want open borders will have learned anything here.
Rarely says
What about the Christian liberals who want open borders? What have they learnt here?
lebel says
“Jewish liberals who want open borders will have learned anything here.”
Jewish liberals do not want open borders, unlike some Jews they simply have not lost their moral compass.
gravenimage says
Actually, some Jewish liberals do indeed want open borders.
The idea that one has lost one’s moral compass unless they want themselves and their loved ones to be raped or murdered by Jihadists is *quite* false.
Angemon says
You mean that now, instead of going “we’ve been to Israel and it is hell on earth”, they’ll go “Israel is hell on earth which is why we’re not allowed to go and see it”? Oh no – what a loss…
CRUSADER says
“Israel has decided — we won’t enable the members of Congress to enter the country… We won’t allow those who deny our right to exist in this world to enter Israel. In principle, this is a very justified decision.”
The decision confirms earlier reports that Israeli officials were leaning in that direction. Earlier Thursday, President Trump even publicly prodded Israel to stand firm in blocking Omar and Tlaib.
“It would show great weakness if Israel allowed Rep. Omar and Rep.Tlaib to visit,” Trump tweeted Thursday morning. “They hate Israel & all Jewish people, & there is nothing that can be said or done to change their minds. Minnesota and Michigan will have a hard time putting them back in office. They are a disgrace!”
(FoxNews)
Norger says
So will the fact that these two have been banned from entering Israel be accepted by the SPLC, the MSM et al as proof of their anti-semitism, the same way that Robert Spencer’s ban from entering the UK is offered up as “proof” of his alleged anti-Muslim bigotry? Not a freaking chance.
Demsci says
Comparing the “ban”s of Tlaib and Omar by Israel and of Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller and others by the UK could be fruitful, even in the American political scene, in answer to the now outraged Democratic Party. Are there universally agreed standards, conditions that are considered valid for barring entry into countries by those countries? Barring entry in a broad sense, also including scaring people to prevent their entry.
Demsci says
You are so right in calling out the different assessments and thus standards after the banning of persons by countries. In that in the one case the country is called bad or to blame and the person(s) good and discriminated against and in the other case the country is good and rightfully asserting debatable standards and the person bad and only having themselves to blame? Why are these countries, their peoples and the barred persons different in these cases? For example, doesn’t the visit of Tlaib and Omar threathen social cohesion in Israel? As the UK government asserted as argument for banning Robert and Pamela, and others? Israel’s cohesion is far more under threat than that of the UK, I would argue.
gravenimage says
Demsci, Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller were not threatening the UK by opposing Jihad.
Demsci says
So, the UK “opened the door” on banning or barring persons. When the UK reconsiders the banning of Spencer, Geller and others, Israel will reconsider the banning of Tlaib and Omar!
jimmy matho says
Thank you President Trump for intervening.
,using your relationship with Netanyahu
tgusa says
Liz, the fake Indian sez,” Israel doesn’t advance its case as a tolerant democracy or unwavering US ally by barring elected members of Congress from visiting because of their political views.”
I suggest that any country that values their citizens and culture bar all dem females from entry, and dem males too. Who do these witches think they are? They are bat$#!% crazy and they destroy everything they touch. Oh and stay out of my neighborhood as well you nasty hags!
CRUSADER says
Dhimmi Dem Delegation Dumb —
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The Jerusalem Post got to this story first on August 8:
“The delegation members themselves have hardly left any footprint of their visit on social media, fueling speculation that they want to avoid trolls and backlash from radical left-wing groups.”
Last week 41 Democratic members of Congress went to Israel on a trip sponsored by American Israel Education Foundation, a branch of AIPAC. “This is the largest delegation that has ever visited Israel,” bragged House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, who led the trip.
However, there was a curious element to the annual trip: hardly any of these visitors has tweeted about their vacation. Apart from reports in the Israeli media that the Dems stood and clapped for Benjamin Netanyahu, and sightings by their Republican counterparts who were over there, you’d hardly know that the Dems even went.
By contrast, 31 Republicans have been tweeting up a storm from Israel. Briefings by Netanyahu and visits to military installations are all over their social media accounts.
The absence of chatter from the Democrats obviously reflects the misgivings that the Democratic base has about the special relationship between the U.S. and Israel. A recent survey shows that a majority of Democrats support sanctions against Israel over settlements, even as the House votes overwhelmingly to condemn the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions campaign.
(A poll shows that Americans by two-to-one want their congresspeople to visit their respective district, not Israel at the behest of an Israel lobby group.)
Let’s go to our unscientific sampling of the twitter feeds. While it is hard to know exactly who went on the trip, Jewish Insider published a list of names, and Kevin McCarthy put out a foto with many Dem members in it; and we found scarce references to Israel from those members, especially the more progressive ones. The Dem reps were there August 7, per Israeli officials, through the weekend, per McCarthy.
Many of the 72 Congresspeople who went to Israel in August 2019 were tweeted about by Kevin McCarthy, on August 10.
However, Rep. Antonio Delgado of upstate NY tweeted about Toni Morrison‘s passing [August 6], then the next day about a town hall in Bethel, NY, at the time he was reported to be in Israel. In his official congressional account, Delgado also ignored his Israel trip, tweeting about the voting rights act, town halls back home, his mobile offices, and El Paso, on August 8.
Jahana Hayes of CT was outspoken about El Paso on August 5. Let us call these recent shootings what they are: acts of white nationalism, fueled by an increase in racist and xenophobic rhetoric. And about the voting rights act, August 6. But nothing about the Israel trip.
Jamie Raskin of Maryland tweeted about an interns’ meeting but nothing about Israel. He sent out a pic of young summer fellows’ meeting calling voters back home while he was reported to be in Israel, August 7. Madeleine Dean of Pennsylvania spoke about Toni Morrison and El Paso.
Brad Schneider of Illinois, a big supporter of Israel, didn’t tweet about his trip. That goes for Ted Deutch of Florida too.
Xochitl Torres Small of New Mexico tweeted about Purple Heart Day, but nothing about the trip. Ron Kind, Wisconsin, silent. Andy Kim of NJ had no report from his trip. Vincente Gonzalez of Texas sent out a tweet on August 7 at a time the Dems were said to be in Israel, about “white supremacy & domestic terrorism” in the wake of the El Paso shootings. He linked a piece he wrote for a newspaper on a day the Dems were in Israel.
“It is with a heavy heart that I pen this today. Following the senseless massacres in El Paso and Dayton, Ohio, let me unequivocally state: White supremacy and domestic terrorism have no place in this country.”
The Twitter feeds of a number of other members of the delegation made no mention at all of the trip, though they were tweeting, while in Israel, about the death of author Toni Morrison, the 54th anniversary of president Lyndon Johnson signing the Voting Rights Act, and the carnage in El Paso and Dayton.
The J Post mentioned that Delgado and Max Rose had issued press releases about their plans before leaving, emphasizing Jewish connections in their families.
Rose tweeted a photo from the Western Wall, along with a message of diversity.
Leigh [Byrne, Rose’s wife] and I were overwhelmed with emotion to visit the Old City of Jerusalem and the Western Wall together. Jerusalem is a holy city for so many of my constituents, and a testament to what we can achieve when diverse communities work together towards peace.
And Rep. Tom Malinowski of New Jersey tweeted a document from Yad Vashem in Jerusalem about Republican opposition to Jewish refugees in the 1930s. “Please read it and think about how little has changed.”
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CRUSADER says
….
By contrast, Republicans have bragged about the trip and boomed fotos of Netanyahu and military installations. Congressman Ron Wright of Texas tweeted a meeting with Benjamin Netanyahu at which the prime minister said Israel is developing anti-missile systems to protect the United States.
South Carolina GOP Rep. Ralph Norman tweeted out photos from a tour at the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem. “Our visit to Israel is now in full swing,” reads the tweet, “And yesterday, we took a guided tour of the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem. For centuries, this #church has stood at the birthplace of Jesus…”
Most of the replies point out that he was actually in Palestine.
Kevin McCarthy has tried to make hay over the difference. He told the Jerusalem Post that Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar are the movement inside the Democratic Party, pulling it away from Israel. And he said he was frustrated that Jews continue to vote overwhelmingly Democratic.
McCarthy said that the “new, young, most popular members of their party” are breaking from the party’s position on Israel to a degree that was not seen in the past, adding that he finds that “concerning for the long term.”
A similar statement was made by Ohio GOP Rep. Anthony Gonzalez after Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas snubbed the Republican delegation despite meeting with the Democratic one. “He cancelled on the Republicans,” Gonzalez told Jewish Insider, “I think it’s because the administration has been awfully hard on Palestinians and very supportive of Israel — which is the right thing to do — and I think he saw the Republicans as maybe not worth his time.
The Democratic leadership is of course still on Israel’s side. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer went on the trip and bragged that “the sheer size of his delegation indicated that the mainstream of his party is still pro-Israel.” While House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has urged people not to pay attention to the Israel-critical members. “If this Capitol crumbled to the ground, the one thing that would remain would be our commitment to… Israel.”
The street isn’t listening to Pelosi. IRMEP published a poll that urged congresspeople to stay home.
Most American adults of voting age believe representatives should visit their congressional districts rather than go to Israel according to a new poll. IRmep Polls surveyed 2,000 American adults about where they believed congressional reps should go during recess.
And when Kevin McCarthy crowed about his trip on twitter, he got a lot of flack.
Naomi Wolf wrote, “But….we didn’t elect you to do that.” A Maryland progressive asked: “So how is this trip to Israel helping us here with the gun issue? Or, is this a way to escape from angry constituents?”, while Code Pink’s Medea Benjamin denounced the trip to “apartheid” Israel.
The Jewish progressive group tweeted, “How come when 30-42 Democrats go on an all-expense paid AIPAC tour of Israel, nearly all of them refuse to mention it publicly? This is Day 5 and almost none of them have said ANYTHING.”
https://mondoweiss.net/2019/08/democrats-sponsored-accounts/
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Hmmmm… that total number, 72, rings a bell ?…………..
Well if the pallies can snub Republican delegation, then it follows that the horridly biased traitors from the Squad should be barred from entering, and from spreading their dread.
Dano says
Tlaib and Omar are barred from Israel? I’ll bet the Jews are behind this.
gravenimage says
OK, now *that* is funny.
lebel says
“Demsci says
Aug 16, 2019 at 6:45 am
By the same token, of avoiding double standards, with a heavy heart, I suppose that if we accept Israel prevents certain persons, from or in favor of certain organisations, from entering, then we ourselves also must grudgingly accept it when Britain prevents entry for “our people”, like Robert, Pamela Geller and Laura Southern.”
I agree, consistency is the only way. Everyone knows what I think of RS and jihadwatch but if I support banning RS from the UK than I have nothing to say when Israel does it to someone else for their own reasons. I do think this position is a minority one around here though 🙂
Norger says
I would agree that we must grudgingly accept the UK’s ban. I do think a compelling argument can be made that these two pose a far more direct and pointed threat to the state of Israel that Robert Spencer allegedly did to alleged “public good” of the UK, but OK, let’s accept that a country has the right to do this. For the record, Robert Spencer was banned from entering the UK for saying that the ultimate goal of Islam is to impose a societal model that is incompatible with Western civilization, a statement which is arguably, if not demonstrably true. Setting aside the ugly anti-semitic statements these women have made, these two openly support movements whose ultimate goal is to destroy the state of Israel itself. Surely even you can see the difference.
I am compelled to point out, however, that before and after Robert Stpencer was denied entry into the UK, the UK has allowed in numerous Muslim hate preachers who have openly called for violence against non-Muslims.
The larger question though, is what conclusions the MSM, our political leaders and supposed arbiters of “hate,” like the SPLC will draw from the fact of this ban. In the case of Spencer, the fact of his ban from the UK is routinely offered up as self-evident “proof” of his anti-Muslim bigotry. In the case of these two, it is not even remotely possible that the powers that be will draw such a conclusion. Pure 100% unadulterated bullshit. It’s not “the Jews” or Israel who are “hypnotizing the world.”
Demsci says
Lebel, Norger, thank you both. Read with interest what you said. Oh, I do see the difference between the 2 cases. And am I favor of Israel and Robert Spencer. But I try to convince not so much my own side OR my staunch opponents, but all these “neutrals” I encounter all the time. I find that that is very hard, because in discussions there is so much “whataboutism” and “neutral” people always say they hate hypocrisy, double standards.
Norger, I think the answer to your “larger question” is that MSM and SPLC definitely do use double standards. And who do they “single out”, for criticism?! Why are the government and people of Israel not judged and respected as are those of the UK by them?
I know lebel often calls out double standards here at JW, but I think that a lot of what JW does is calling out the double standards of the Democratic Party, MSM. Etc. And THAT is why Pres. Trump being in power is so great; because he can’t be avoided. When his and our opponents criticize him and his supporters “our side” can expose all their double standards. But for that we do have to avoid double standards ourselves.
lebel says
“but I think that a lot of what JW does is calling out the double standards of the Democratic Party, MSM. Etc”
I agree, double standards are not exclusive to jihadwatch or to the right. I’m old enough to remember the lack of outrage on the left when Bill Clinton was accused by different women of sexual harassment and rape.
Now we have evangelicals supporting Trump which is the height of hypocrisy.
Ginger Snap says
This is the perfect pair to have this happen! They should not be in Congress either. Their religion forbids them from civil law. They only follow the Koran. So what was the hand on a book about when they ‘took’ the oath of office? The Koran tells them it’s fine to lie to promote Islam. Get that? PROMOTE Islam. This needs to be made more clear to the average U.S. citizen.
Sly Ed Qutb says
MODERATOR: Please delete my comment and its replies if you can! I will post in the correct article…
marc says
done 🙂