“Before they turn to violence” — that is, even if there is no indication that they will ever be violent.
“The authors acknowledge that the issue of linking violent and nonviolent extremism is contentious and steps would need to be taken to protect free speech.”
That’s window dressing meant to deceive the public into complacency. There is no way to criminalize certain opinions while protecting the freedom of speech.
“The law…would designate hate groups as organisations that spread intolerance and antipathy towards people of a different race, religion, gender or nationality, the report said.”
The danger of this is that it is universally taken for granted among the political and media elites that honest analysis of how jihadis use the texts and teachings of Islam to justify their actions and make recruits among peaceful Muslims constitutes spreading “intolerance and antipathy towards people of a different race, religion, gender or nationality.” Such analysis is consistently lumped together with the racist groups detailed in the article below, as if race hatred were the same thing as opposition to jihad mass murder and Sharia oppression of women, gays, and others.
“The recommendations and conclusions are based on analysis of the overlap between four “nonviolent” far-right groups – Britain First, For Britain, the British National party (BNP) and Generation Identity England – and the ideology of the terrorist Anders Breivik, who murdered 77 people in Norway in 2011.”
If the “ideology of the terrorist Anders Breivik” is going to be criminalized, will socialism and communism be outlawed also, since Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and others murdered tens of millions in their names? Of course not. This new law is designed solely to muzzle those who call for resistance to jihad violence and Islamization. And so there will be no such resistance in Britain. What will happen then?
“New law needed to take on far-right extremism, says Blair thinktank,” by Jamie Grierson, Guardian, August 27, 2019 (thanks to Jack):
A new law allowing for hate groups to be designated and punished before they turn to violence is needed in order to tackle far-right extremists, according to a report by Tony Blair’s thinktank, which also seeks powers to ban marches and media appearances.
Generation Identity, a racist movement that promotes a conspiracy theory that white people are being replaced by non-whites in Europe, would be among the groups targeted by new legislation, the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change report said.
The law could sit alongside proscription powers, banning groups concerned with terrorism, but would not be directly linked to violence or terrorism. Rather, it would designate hate groups as organisations that spread intolerance and antipathy towards people of a different race, religion, gender or nationality, the report said.
Offences related to designation as a hate group should be treated as civil, not criminal, the thinktank recommends.
The authors acknowledge that the issue of linking violent and nonviolent extremism is contentious and steps would need to be taken to protect free speech. The recommendations and conclusions are based on analysis of the overlap between four “nonviolent” far-right groups – Britain First, For Britain, the British National party (BNP) and Generation Identity England – and the ideology of the terrorist Anders Breivik, who murdered 77 people in Norway in 2011.
Writing in a foreword, the former home secretary Jacqui Smith, the chair of the Jo Cox Foundation, said: “The growth of far-right extremist groups and the threat they pose cannot be left on the ‘too difficult’ pile.
“While ad hoc action has been taken against some groups and the intelligence services are now prioritising the monitoring of far-right terrorists, we need to return to the vexed problem of how to identify the link between violent and nonviolent extremism, and develop a coherent policy approach to tackling the threat of far-right groups.”
In its report, Narratives of Hate: The Spectrum of Far-Right Worldviews in the UK, the thinktank found that public messages from the four activist groups in the UK had shared themes with the world view of Breivik. Victimisation, fundamental conflict between the west and Islam, anti-establishment sentiment and the justification of violence were all found in social media statements by the four UK groups and in statements by Breivik.
Generation Identity and the BNP shared identical world views with Breivik on the theme of victimisation, including ideas of “white genocide” and “the great replacement” theory.
The security services and the government have recognised the threat of violent and non-violent far-right extremism in the UK. MI5 took over the matter from police in 2018, meaning the far right was officially designated as a major national security threat.
In 2016, the neo-Nazi group National Action became the first far-right group to be proscribed in the UK. Announcing the decision, the then home secretary, Amber Rudd, said the group was a “racist, antisemitic and homophobic organisation which stirs up hatred, glorifies violence and promotes a vile ideology”.
The ban, which covers three National Action splinter groups, has resulted in several former members being put on trial. To date, National Action is the only far-right group outlawed in the UK….
Trick_or_Treat says
Then that would mean then, that under such a law, this ‘Mein Kampf’ type document, called the qur’an or koran, and which contains hundreds of hateful incitements to kill, injure, persecute, terrorise, torture, etc, (especially Jews and Christians) MUST [by very definition of the proposed law] be outlawed and banned, and it’s possession and/or any propagation or dissemination of it’s content be made a criminal offence under the law.
Lets have it then.
gravenimage says
Don’t count on it…
Stanley says
No mate, the law is proposed only for those with ‘far right’ views and as we all know Islam the ideology is never be considered extreme by the powers that be even when it is used to justify numerous barbaric acts.
gravenimage says
Grimly true.
mortimer says
Hey, Tony !!! Read the following hate speech :
The Koran’s 164 Jihad Verses: K 002:178-179, 190-191, 193-194, 216-218, 244; 003:121-126, 140-143, 146, 152-158, 165-167,169, 172-173, 195; 004:071-072, 074-077, 084, 089-091, 094-095,100-104; 005:033, 035, 082; 008:001, 005, 007, 009-010, 012, 015-017, 039-048,057-060, 065-075; 009:005, 012-014, 016, 019-020, 024-026, 029,036, 038-039, 041, 044, 052, 073, 081, 083,086, 088, 092, 111, 120, 122-123; 016:110; 022:039, 058, 078; 024:053, 055; 025:052; 029:006, 069; 033:015, 018, 020, 023, 025-027, 050; 042:039; 047:004, 020, 035; 048:015-024; 049:015; 059:002, 005-008, 014; 060:009; 061:004, 011, 013; 063:004; 064:014; 066:009; 073:020; 076:008.
ninetyninepct says
The Koran clearly meets the definition of hate literature as described in Sections 318 and 319 of the Criminal Code of Canada. Governments do nothing.
Hugh Fitzgerald says
“Narratives of Hate”?
Surely there are enough of those in the Qur’an and Hadith.
How else should we characterize the statement in the Qur’an that non-Muslims are “the most vile of created beings”?(98:6). Isn’t that enough?
If you think moew ia needed by way of “narratives of hate,” let’s pile them on: 2:191-193, 3:151, 4:89, 5:51, 8:12, 8:60, 9:5, 9:29, 47:4
The Tony Blair Institute for Global Change, named after the comically self-aggrandizing and greedy Tony Blair who, as Prime Minister, furthered the mass migration of Muslims into the U.K., and who used to proudly proclaim that he never went anywhere without his Qur’an (from which he claimed to have learned so much) l, is going to have to explain how it justifies keeping Islam, with its extensive “narratives of hate” against non-Muslims, off of the list of banned groups. Art the very least, spokesmen for Islam should be forced to discuss those Qur’anic passages.
Al Dajjal (@AlDajjal1) says
Easily! Muslims, inextricably linked with Islam, are a protected class who can not be criticized.
Jon Sobieski says
I remember seeing a pic of Blair with his Koran. Yeah, he was always ‘reading it.’ It only confirmed he was a a dangerous fool. No one called him on it. I’m sure he agreed with Spencer’s ban. So many people don’t seem concerned about the rise of ‘thought crime’ prosecution. They know you think it even if you never say it, thought crime! They know you are lying. Really amazing technology the left has developed.
Emilie Green says
“calls for new law allowing for ‘hate groups’ to be punished before they turn to violence”
This won’t sit well with the Muslims. Their operating manual, their Qur’an, has all those instructions forcing others to join their Islam, authorizing violence if required.
And we have 1400 years of Muslims using violence to get their way.
kuldb says
Muslims & the Koran will be exempt. You can bet on it.
SweetOlBob says
Emilie:
The problem is that the label “Hate” is too loosley defined. It is not “Hate” to defend against people who have sworn and still swear they intend to kill or enslave you. There is NOTHING WRONG with “Hating” such an individual or premise. That is merely self protection.
Would you love to be killed, or would you “Hate” it ? Would you love to be a slave, or would you “Hate” it ?
gravenimage says
Good post, Bob.
Shirley Ann says
Before they turn to Violence, Punishment should be administered? And exactly “Who” would make that decision against a Conservative Organization? Would it be Tony Blair & his Fellow Travelers of the Chrislam Religion, which is now in league with the Islam Religion?
The BRIT GOV Is trying to WIPE OUT Any & All Anti-Islamist Organizations & Individuals. Silencing the voices of ENGLISH SUBJECTS, who disapprove of the Muslim Invasion, is only the Beginning,
CRUSADER says
Can TB be punished if he gets the definition of hate wrong?
What if someone is harmed due to prejudice against them?
What about due process?
Who decides what a hate group is?
How do we know if it really is hate before actual harm occurs?
What constitutes actual harm?
somehistory says
They won’t stop, prosecute or imprison the real terrorists, nor do anything about their hatred of all others, but they will prosecute those who hate what the real haters and terrorists are doing.
observer says
idiotic blair institute twats !
For those of you who don’t fall into the above bracket, I feel compelled to share this video.
Sharing it helps me to feel less alone… You’ll understand what I’m saying once you’ve watched it.
Although what is said in the video will be bellows to the flames of what is being said by the blair institute non-thinktank…
https://youtu.be/Luv5GfSMTt0
Michael Copeland says
“organisations that spread intolerance and antipathy towards people of a different …. religion…”
Islam is an organisation.
“…between us and you enmity and hatred forever” – Koran 60:4, part of Islamic law.
“If anyone desire a religion other than Islam never will it be accepted of him” – Koran 3:85, ditto.
“I am telling you that my religion doesn’t tolerate other religion. It doesn’t tolerate,” said Abu Bakr, Algerian-born cleric, in Australia.
“As a muslim I must have hatred for anything non-Islam” – Anjem Choudary
“You must love the muslims and hate the kuffaar”. http://www.muslimsagainstvoting
OREN WYSOCKI says
White racism as A substantial percent of either the violent crime being faced by the west or the terrorism being faced by western societies is A fabrication put forth by billionaires in favor of A global tyranny under the pretense of equality for all people worldwide. They hope to harness jealousy and hatred of white gentiles and Jews in order to remove the focus from themselves, as illegitimate rulers of the world, at times attaining their fortunes by embezzling tax dollars, and refusing to allow negotiation with any people as to how much wealth the billionaire class is entitled to. In order to stop that conversation, they need to keep people fighting one another, so they sabotage all sides, and blame all sides simultaneously while refusing national laws like affirmative action, and limitations to billionaires actions in countries where elected officials try to inhibit the billionaires. They need non whites and white leftists to agree to grant them fascistic powers, like abolishing freedom of the press and freedom of speech under the pretense of fighting racism, because their regime would have no legitimacy or productivity, if it was clear that it was nothing more than some lying tyrants with guns. That’s why now A days there is more media coverage of racism than there was 50 years ago, because the billionaires are the leaders in promoting that racial division according to the peoples growing anger at their ruling class. That’s why they bring in more and more immigrants. Realization that the American and Europe would have never voted to allow non whites in, in the first place after 200 years and 2,000 years of white only immigration policies nullifies the meaningfulness of non whites voting to allow the government fascist powers. Regardless, the billionaire strategy being exposed will only help accelerate the regimes demise. In G-d I trust.
Barb says
The Tony Blair Institute is losing the plot! To call for such a law is not lawful a CRIMINAL is convicted on the evidence that they have committed the crime! -t the Institute should be shut down as not DEMOCRATIC or ban the Ideology that is Teaching Hatred, that is Teaching Terrorism / Jihad -is the Institute going to confront Islam or are they pansies and gutless wonders????
Peter WF says
Wonderful law?
How many individuals who would challenge it have the money to go to court?
It is a glass ceiling for the population.
James Lincoln says
This type of mentality is the reason why critics of Islam, such as Robert Spencer, are banned from the UK.
That is also the reason that the UK is finished as a free society. In a few decades, short of a civil war, sharia law will totally rule the UK.
At least for now, the The First Amendment is still holding in the United States…
gravenimage says
UK: Tony Blair Institute calls for new law allowing for “hate groups” to be punished before they turn to violence
…………….
In other words, punish projected politically incorrect “thought crimes”
Just despicable.
Wellington says
Tony Blair is arguably one of the greatest and most powerful enemies of liberty in all of modern British history.
There was a time I admired him. That time no longer exists.
gravenimage says
True–and yet, he has been followed by British PMs who have been worse.
mortimer says
Tony Blair is a shill for the Gulf states who pay him handsomely. THIS IS INSANE. He wants to arrest people before they have committed a crime.
Tony Blair has totally sold out his country.
Lydia Church says
Aha. The next link has been set.
Anyone who claims that the migrants are there to invade and replace the whites, or who claims that there is a white genocide due to anti-white racism, or that islam is a violent religion of terrorism and very dangerous, or any ‘far right’ wing views will be labeled as ‘hate groups.’ So wow, now just for believing the truth, you are guilty of a ‘hate crime’ and ‘something must be done to stop you in advance’! God forbid you should defend your borders with an actual weapon, or your family, or believe in national sovereignty!
Then they will start coming for us in advance… to… you know….. stop those ‘crimes’ before they happen! Especially those ‘white guys’ who hold the the 2nd Amendment, I mean they all must be ‘white supremacist, nationalist, KKK’ types, right? Oh, the racism! They must come after them, no?
Years ago I heard that they were going to go after people for ‘pre-crimes’! ‘Thought crime’ is not even a valid term, since there is no illegal thought, that is your domain space and you have the right to exercise that right to think anything you want, your autonomous space. They wouldn’t even know, it is also private. But if they did know, it is still your right. That is one infringement, going after people for their political views and beliefs. But then there is the term ‘pre-crime’! They THINK you may be likely to commit some crime in the future, so they round you up beforehand. See how conveniently the road is being paved to come after those who are conservative and don’t agree with the left and stand in their way of “progress”? As if only they have the right to advance their political positions in the world! It’s all coming out around the same time, movies like ‘the hunt’ and legislation like this. And don’t think because it’s ‘over there,’ that it isn’t coming ‘over here’ soon too. It just spreads.
But oh, the bogey man is ‘far right extremists’! Ooooooo! Forget about all the jihad terrorists, right?
And this:
“Generation Identity, a racist movement that promotes a conspiracy theory that white people are being replaced by non-whites in Europe, would be among the groups targeted by new legislation, the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change report said.”
There it is folks, in black and white. WE’RE the target.
And this:
“The law could sit alongside proscription powers, banning groups concerned with terrorism, but would not be directly linked to violence or terrorism. Rather, it would designate hate groups as organisations that spread intolerance and antipathy towards people of a different race, religion, gender or nationality, the report said.”
“BANNING GROUPS CONCERNED WITH TERRORISM” AND “DESIGNATE HATE GROUPS AS ORGANIZATIONS THAT SPREAD INTOLERANCE AND ANTIPATHY TOWARDS PEOPLE OF A DIFFERENT RACE, RELIGION, GENDER, OR NATIONALITY…” Oooooo! Like Jihad Watch being against jihad terrorism via islam? And how they call islam a ‘race’ doesn’t help either. And other nationalities, now if you are against illegal immigration, you will be deemed as ‘against other nationalities’!
And this:
“Writing in a foreword, the former home secretary Jacqui Smith, the chair of the Jo Cox Foundation, said: “The growth of far-right extremist groups and the threat they pose cannot be left on the ‘too difficult’ pile.”
Oh yeah, they need to come after those guys, right?
Not to mention this:
“the intelligence services are now prioritising the monitoring of far-right terrorists,…..
and develop a coherent policy approach to tackling the threat of far-right groups.”
TACKLING THE ‘THREAT’ OF FAR RIGHT GROUPS? IN ADVANCE?
Lastly:
“meaning the far right was officially designated as a major national security threat…”
I could have highlighted the whole article!
This is the last stage where they place the last links down in order to cross the bridge from accusation to be able to come for us for ‘pre crimes’! For being conservative obviously. If you are conservative, you are not safe in your own country now. You can be hauled off as some ‘criminal’ just like in Orwell’s books. And they lay the groundwork all without blinking an eye.
THIS IS HUGE!
Lydia Church says
Not to mention opposing the cultural genocide that is brought in by the muslim migrants! Race is one thing, but culture is another. They are transforming the landscape in all those ways permanently. But they opened the drawbridge for them with open arms, and the trojan horse pranced right in! Too late now.
David M says
Tony Blair’s name is mud, he admittedly let in mass immigration to rub the noses of the UK common persons nose in it. Blair & George W should both be before an international war crimes court to answer for their illegal invasion of Iraq.
mortimer says
“HATE SPEECH” say Tony Blair. But what about AL WALAA WAL BARAA ???
Allah ordered Muslims to have Baraa (to be cleansed) from the dirty kufaar and from kufr and shirk … all Muslims are required to ‘HATE’ kafirs ‘for the sake of Allah’.
-Imam Abdul-Latif ibn Abdur-Rahman Rahimullah said, “It is not possible for someone to realize Tawheed (Islamic faith) and act upon it, and yet not be HOSTILE against the mushrikeen (i.e. wrong worshippers). So anyone who isn’t HOSTILE against the mushrikeen, then it cannot be said that he acts upon Tawheed nor that he realizes it.” [ad-Durar as-Saniyyah 8/167]
-“The doctrine of al Walaa wal Baraa is the REAL IMAGE for the actual practice of this faith.” – source “Al Walaa wal Baraa According to the Aqeedah of the Salaf”, by Sheikh Muhammad Saeed al Qatani, authoritative Saudi Sharia lawyer and imam at the Abu Bakr and Al Furqan Mosques in Mecca. – https://islamfuture.wordpress.com/2009/08/20/al-wala-wal-bara-according-to-the-aqeedah-of-the-salaf-parts-123/
-Shaykh Ahmad ibn ‘Atiq said:
“There isn’t in the Book of Allah the Exalted – after the issue concerning the obligation of tawheed and the forbiddance of its opposite (kufr=wrong belief)- any issue which has as so many proofs, nor so clearly explained, than the issue of al-walaa’ and al-baraa’.” (W-B is ‘Islamic apartheid’)
– Dr. Muhammad Saeed Al-Qahtaani said: “Thus, it is clear that Al-Wala’ Wal-Bara calls on Muslims to “love” their fellow Muslims and hate the non-Muslim (or Kafir).”
– from Sufi scholar Ahmad Sirhindi (1564-1624): “The honour of Islam lies in INSULTING kufr and kafirs. One who respects the kafirs dishonours the Muslims… The real purpose of levying jiziya on them is to HUMILIATE them to such an extent that they may not be able to dress well and to live in grandeur. They should constantly remain TERRIFIED and TREMBLING. It is intended to hold them under CONTEMPT and to uphold the honour and might of Islam.”
– from ibn Taymiyya, “Book of Emaan”: “… true believers show ANIMOSITY and HATRED towards disbelievers and NEVER support them.”
– K. 28:86 says: “Lend not thou support in any way to those who reject Allah’s Message.”
– from Umar Sulayman ‘Abd-Allaah al-Ashqar, “Belief in Allah”: “The Muslim should regard the Kuffaar as ENEMIES and HATE them because of their kufr (wrong belief), just as he hates their kufr (disbelief) itself.”
– from [Chap.iv] “The Islaamic Concept of al-Walaa’ wal-Baraa’” by Khalid El-Gharib: “… to SHOW ENMITY to those who show enmity to Allaah and His Messenger”.
(Note: Muslims are to visibly demonstrate their ENMITY or HATRED towards the kufaar)
TONY, isn’t the above ‘HATE SPEECH’ ???
Angemon says
So, no “innocent until proven guilty” for “wrongthinkers”…
Harold Armitage says
Wrong link posted.
This is the correct one:-
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/27/new-law-tackle-far-right-extremism-uk-tony-blair-thinktank
Niemoller says
Can we start punishing “stupid groups” like Blair’s before they turn to being really stupid?
Steve Meikle says
The Raw hypocrisy of that War Criminal Blair who started an aggressive war against Iraq and turned it into a spawning ground for terrorists: his raw hypocrisy is breathtaking.
I might try giving him a hearing if he were saying so from his prison cell where he should be serving his life sentence for his own crimes
Vann Boseman says
I wonder if the idea for this bounced over to GB from the US as happens sometimes. Consider how positive and negative eugenics bounced from Darwin and his brother to the US, Germany, and Japan, until the idea became so disgusting and wrong headed that the very name of the science had to be changed to genetics.
Consider predictive policing legislation. Maybe what appears to the bouncing of a bad idea is not what is happening and it just appears to be the case. Regardless, I can already imagine conservatives that are too rigid claiming on both sides of the Atlantic that “If you don’t do anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about. Just trust us.”
Please consider the following on the proposed TAPS act:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN2xQGKnZx8&fbclid=IwAR2pgB4gEjc9ZOyCw0PWoBF0cHFgYAE7Z8O_UllA-9JjfLlJPm2Rc9U9X34
AP says
Koran ban?
geoff fury says
why aint Blair locked up in the Hague awaiting trial for multiple war crimes and the murder of dr David Kelly ?
No Muzzies Here says
I’m thinking of one very big hate group in the UK. It’s not the one this proposal is aiming at. It’s big and is growing. Its daily prayers wish evil on Jews and Christians. Its official handbook emphasizes the obligation to kill non-believers. What is this hate group? 5 seconds to answer.
Tom says
So to follow the logic given by the Blair Institute report, Islam and the Koran should be banned given the history of radicalization and terror attacks that result or MAY result from being a devout follower of Islam.
Another organization that should be found guilty of the MAYBE they will commit violence in the future, and given their history, is ANTIFA.
But who is willing to bet that both of these proven violent organizations will be given a pass and it will be only Conservative organizations or individuals that will be charged with the “You MAY commit violence at some point in your life” crime.
Thought crime and the “maybe, perhaps, could” criminality is the ultimate way to destroy anyone who disagrees with the leftist elites.
In our system of proving a crime HAS BEEN committed (note: past tense) there are two distinct elements that must be proven in court before an accused is found guilty of a crime. Those two elements are ; Mens Rea (the guilty mind) and Actus Reas (the guilty act).
We cannot find a person guilty of a crime if there was no conscious intent and a deliberate act.
Seems the left are trying to throw away a thousand years of common law and determine one is guilty of merely thinking something, which they then construe to be the genesis of a violent act, without any proof that such an act is even contemplated.
This garbage must stop.
trevor collins says
greetings from New Zealand…….Is Tony’s sister, or sister in law…a.’convert to Islam’?? thank you…regards, Trevor.
martin says
Surprise, surprise, Phony B liar is still a nasty traitor.
jca reid. says
Blair is pathetic. Always was, always will be. None of the chattering classes have the guts to call out Islam & its adherents for what it is & what they are. Just because something calls itself a “Religion” & has been on the go for 1400years does not make it so. An individual stands up & condemns Islam & is immediately branded a Racist, a Fascist & worse. A Muslim stands up & calls for the subjugation of Peoples, their enslavement & rape. If they do not conform, then it’s throat – cutting time. But he’s quoting from his “Holy Book”, so it’s OK then? This swamp is massive & is getting bigger. These idiots like Blair, Merkel, Macron, the Swedish Government etc. & their kind, need to be removed permanently!