An American Jewish Committee (AJC) “leadership delegation met with key Muslim organizations and individuals in Chicago.” The aim was to deepen “engagement with American Muslim community institutions and leaders.”
AJC’s U.S. Director of Muslim-Jewish Relations, Ari Gordon, said that “Jews and Muslims are natural allies in the United States to fight bigotry against both groups and protect our shared democratic freedoms.”
Jews and Muslims are not natural allies to fight bigotry, for several reasons: Jews are often targeted for no reason other than being Jewish, Muslims are not. Jews also suffer all too often at the hands of Muslims — from threats to obliterate the state of Israel and attacks on Israeli civilians to violence against Jews living in areas where there are large Muslim populations, such as France, Germany and Sweden.
The AJC also wants to engage in dialogue with Muslim groups about “different understandings of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.” Yet extensive Jewish dialogue and negotiations with Muslim leaders over such “different understandings” have gotten Israel nowhere. Israel’s surrender of land has brought it in return only more rocket fire, a “pay for slay” program, routine attacks on innocent Jews, and steady efforts to “free Palestine from the River to the Sea,” i.e., to obliterate Israel.
In June, “AJC unveiled its groundbreaking Community of Conscience initiative. AJC CEO David Harris discussed why all people of good conscience must join together to stand united against hate and violence and celebrate pluralism and diversity.” The problem is that Muslims in the West are not collectively and openly standing against the pervasive hate, violence, persecution and bigotry perpetrated by their coreligionists and enshrined in Islamic law.
“AJC National Interreligious Mission Engages Muslim Leaders in Chicago,” AJC press release, September 18, 2019:
CHICAGO, Sept. 18, 2019 /PRNewswire/ — An AJC leadership delegation met with key Muslim organizations and individuals in Chicago. The two-day visit was part of AJC’s national “listening tour” aimed at deepening engagement with American Muslim community institutions and leaders.
“Jews and Muslims are natural allies in the United States to fight bigotry against both groups and protect our shared democratic freedoms,” said Ari Gordon, AJC’s U.S. Director of Muslim-Jewish Relations. “As Americans, we must overcome mutual suspicion and work together for the common good of our communities, our country and our world.”
Greater Chicago is home to approximately 10% of the American Muslim population. More than 70 Islamic centers serve communities with diverse ethnic and national backgrounds.
The AJC delegation held substantive encounters with leadership of prominent groups in Chicago, including the Muslim Community Center, Muslim Education Center; The Mosque Cares: Ministry of Imam W.D. Mohammed; the Nigerian Islamic Association; and Suzy’s Place, a domestic violence shelter founded by Muslims.
Topics addressed included the joint fight against bigotry and hate crimes targeting Muslims and Jews, identifying and combatting misperceptions of the other within the respective communities, and navigating intercommunal challenges arising from different understandings of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Challenges and opportunities for Muslim-Jewish relations on campuses were discussed with Muslim chaplains and institutional leaders supporting Muslim students and interfaith relations in higher education.
In addition, the AJC delegation’s meeting with local Palestinian Americans opened a conversation about barriers to achieving a just and secure peace between Israelis and Palestinians and how to improve Palestinian-Jewish relations in the United States.
Roberta S. Baruch, Chair of AJC’s Interreligious Affairs Commission, led the 13-member group of AJC national and Chicago leaders who are involved with the leading global Jewish advocacy organization’s pathbreaking work in interreligious affairs…..
MS MADELEINE DUNN says
So many Jewish people have a history of trying in good will to engage with an enemy bent on destroying them. Jews tend to be self deprecating (hence so many Jewish comedians – how many muslim comedians?) and also looking inward trying to find ways to improve themselves and foolishly believing the same good will and desire to make changes for peace exists within the hearts of their enemies. We see this over and over again. But the only ones showing a desire to take blame and accept being at fault, are the Jews. The Muslims have no such qualms or self evaluation or reason to believe they are anything but the “best of creation” and everyone else is the “worst of creation’. It is painful seeing Jews doing this again and again and always getting the same kick in the butt for their efforts and being held in contempt.
Stephen Silverstein says
Jews tried to believe that Hitler wouldn’t be as bad as they feared and look where that got them!
william carr says
Not quite right. Many Germans even those in government thought that Hitler would moderate his positions once he gained power, in fact he intensified them. They foolishly imagined they could control him. but once he grasped the reins of power there was no stopping him. The first thing he did was to ban all opposition! Imagine a Western leader banning all other parties? That is why we have democracy! The Jews, at least those who stayed
in Germany, hoped that things would calm down or blow over. Overly hopeful as it turned out, they already had suffered at the hands of the Brownshirts.
Christian Zionist says
Well, isn’t that what the censorship from the Democrats is all about? They’re banning opposition…that includes the media, google, facebook, twitter et al.
mortimer says
Agree with MDunn & S. Silverstein. These gullible Pollyannas have no idea of Islam’s deeply entrenched anti-Semitism.
THAT’S RICH, isn’t it? The Muslims point to SOME OTHER SOURCE OF ANTI-SEMITISM that is greater than Islam itself !!! Preposterous flummery !
There is more Jew hatred BY FAR in the Koran, hadiths and Sira than there is in Mein Kampf !
Why are these naïve useful idiots in charge? Where in the Muslim world is there evidence that Muslims are allies of Jews? Iran? Pakistan? Egypt where the last synagogue is locked up and shuttered?
Where are the Islamic charities that GIVE MONEY and AID to needy Jews? (silence)
Where is there ANY EVIDENCE at all that Muslims are ‘natural allies’ of Jews???
TALK IS CHEAP … isn’t it?
Muslims are trying to implement SHARIA’S BLASPHEMY LAWS BY OTHER MEANS. CAVEAT EMPTOR!
barbaracvm1 says
Around the year 1000, give or take a hundred, the Jews in Spain invited the Moors to come to Spain. The Catholic Church was making life miserable for the Jews. So they decided that the Moors would help them.
That turned out to be a mistake. How many Spaniards were killed fighting to regain their freedoms.
The Muslims gradually move northward and into France. Equally gradually the locals learned to fight back and push the Muslims / Moors back into Morocco.
Charlemagne and his generals Roland and Martel “the Hammer” fought to regain France’s freedom.
gravenimage says
barbaracvm1 wrote:
Around the year 1000, give or take a hundred, the Jews in Spain invited the Moors to come to Spain. The Catholic Church was making life miserable for the Jews. So they decided that the Moors would help them.
That turned out to be a mistake. How many Spaniards were killed fighting to regain their freedoms.
…………………….
What absolute crap. Muslims invaded Spain in 711, and this was part of the great Muslim wave of conquest. This had *nothing* to do with Jews inviting Muslims in to conquer them.
ElderlyZionist says
Thank you gravenimage, I would have had to if you hadn’t.
Oh, and Charles Martel was Charlemagne’s grandpa. “He defeated the Moors at the Battle of Tours in 732.” Doesn’t anyone teach history any more?
mortimer says
A TREACHEROUS CHRISTIAN COUNT JULIAN of CEUTA INVITED THE MUSLIMS INTO SPAIN in 708AD.
GI is a history expert on this and so is Dr Dario Fernandez-Morera (PhD) who wrote “The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise: Muslims, Christians, and Jews under Islamic Rule in Medieval Spain” Hardcover – February 22, 2016. You should all read it.
historically Ceuta (then called “Septem”) and the surrounding territories were the last area of Byzantine African Exarchate to be occupied by the Arabs: around 708 AD, as Muslim armies approached the city, its Byzantine governor, Julian (described as King of the Ghomara) changed his allegiance, and exhorted the Muslims to invade the Iberian Peninsula.
Angemon says
“Around the year 1000, give or take a hundred, the Jews in Spain invited the Moors to come to Spain. The Catholic Church was making life miserable for the Jews. So they decided that the Moors would help them.”
Nah – as gravenimmage and mortimer point out, it was in 711, and while the specific details are lost to the sands of time, it seems there was a quarrel between Count Julian and King Roderick, allegedly because Julian’s daughter was seduced/abused by Roderick, which made Julian call on the Moors to help him have his revenge. There are reports of Jews allegedly opening the doors of some cities thinking the newcomers would be kinder to them than the Goth Christians, but those are dubious and there’s no assurance they weren’t made up by muslims to play “divide and conquer” (they, like the Jews, were a minority in a Christian land) or by anti-semitic Christians. I mean, what reason would Jews have to think muslims would threat them well? They needed only to look at the history of islam – muhammad quickly became a persecutor of Jews, and after the conquest of Egypt, the Byzantine empire and Northern Africa, the Jews living in those areas didn’t had much to thank their “liberators” for…
gravenimage says
Thank you, ElderlyZionist, Mortimer, and Angemon.
e says
American Jewish Committee?
Who know that so many in/on this Committee could not read the English version of the Muslims’ Qur’an. Big Mo had plenty of say about the Jews, and it ain’t pretty.
mortimer says
Statistical Jew Hatred in Koran and Hadiths
– The grand total of Jew Hatred in KORAN = 10,242 words / 152,006 total words = 6.7% Jew hatred
– Total number of Jew Hatred VERSES in Koran: 123 verses Jew hatred
– 17% of Medinan Koran is Jew hatred
– 1% of Meccan Koran is Jew hatred
– 8.9% of hadiths are Jew hatred
– 12% of Sira is Jew hatred
– 9.3% of Islamic Trilogy is Jew hatred
– 7% of Mein Kampf is Jew hatred by comparison
– Koran of Mecca filled with Jewish stories plagiarized and distorted.
– Jews of Medina did not validate Mohammed’s prophecy, so he then exterminated the Jews, stole their property and enslaved their women and children.
– Mohammed entered the Jewish town of Yathrib with his people as refugees, then changed its name to Medina (Islam’s ‘capital city’), but within a few years, there were no Jews left in Medina.
– Mohammed provides in Medina the perfect example of Jew hatred that Muslims must follow today.
Stephen Silverstein says
Wow, you couldn’t make this stuff up. I have previously said that any Jew voting for the Democrats is an idiot but this is a whole new ball game!
mortimer says
Wishful thinking won’t turn their dreams into reality. Nonetheless, the Muslims who live in Israel overwhelmingly say it’s preferable to and freer than the surrounding Arab countries.
FYI says
“natural allies?”:You kidding me?
muslims and Jews?
AJC: that must be like… Turkeys for Thanksgiving…Shabbat in the park with Ilhan and Rashida.
For naive Lefty liberal Jews..
Sahih muslim #6985
“There is a Jew behind me..kill him”
Ask your muslim friends to explain it to you.
In koran 9:30 the Jews are CURSED on a ludicrously false premise:”And the Jews say ‘ezra is the son of alalh’.That’s what they say now is it?what ezra?what ezra in Judaism claimed to be the ‘son of allah’?
I support Israel and religiously observant Jews{who unlike muslims, understand the concept of striving to OBEY those essential COMMANDMENTS of God{Exodus 20 etc}: I have absolutely no time for naive lefty liberal Jews who live in fantasy land.Just like those who foolishly ignored all the warning signs kin europe in 1930s.
Note to the AJC and lefty Jews:nothing beats islam and the koran for violent antisemitism.
No wonder hitler admired islam.
Jewdog says
Sure, but will anyone set down basic conditions, such as acceptance of Israel as a state of the Jewish people? Nah. Flaming dhimmie morons.
James says
I have done proofreading on books and articles concerning Israel and the conflict of Palestinians and Israelis. One author at least was Jewish and Israeli but supported the Palestinians. He criticized politics in Israel for being unfair to Palestinians. It did seem to me that many Christians are more pro-Israeli than liberal Jews sometimes. It does seem to me that Jews and Muslims are not natural allies, however. At least in Bill Warner or Robert Spencer texts the history of Islam has been one of persecuting Jews and Israelis. So I would guess the liberals are whistling in the dark. At least a few groups think they are oppressed by Jews. That would include blacks who blame Jews for slavery or exploiting the poor in the cities. Also the Muslims who feel oppressed by Israel. Another group would be people who dislike Wall Street and associate it with Jews. Another would be anti-communists who view communism as a Jewish movement. There are some groups that claim to represent Jews but are really more fronts for some other purpose, such as converting Jews. So, I would be suspicious of any claims that Jews and Muslims or Christians are natural allies. One would have to consider the circumstances and interests involved.
mortimer says
Response to James’ interesting comments. I’m all for diplomacy, but if Jewish diplomats (such as these) don’t know the Islamic foundational texts and don’t know ideology of Islam’s Jew hatred, their naive wishful thinking will allow them to be greatly duped.
Saying that Muslims are natural allies of Jews is an egregious exaggeration and preposterous self-delusion.
Mohammed took over the Jewish town of Yathrib, then seized power, then slandered the Jews, commited a genocide and captured the Jewish women and children turning them into slaves. Finally, Mohammed commanded the ethnic cleansing of ALL Jews from Arabia.
THOSE are NOT the actions of a ‘natural ally’ … are they?
Angemon says
Did they went over anti-semitic crimes perpetrated by muslims?
Intersectional “logic” – two minority groups facing a common problem must, by definition, be allies – their enemy’s enemy being their friend, etc. Perhaps they should ask Brendan Mess, Erik Weissman and Raphael Teken how that alliance” with the Tsarnaev brothers worked out…
Kay says
Who does this committee represent? Most American Jews?
Roland says
AJC only represents its contributors, mostly liberal Jews who like the AJC’s style of discrete institutionalized “shtadlanut” (intercession by upper class Jews with with non-Jewish state authorities). “Dialogue, not diatribe”, AJC likes to say. It’s not a mass movement. While it may be useful for AJC to establish lines of communication with truly moderate Muslim groups and Muslims, it is not evident that Jews and Muslims automatically share any special common interests that they don’t share with other Americans. I worry that most of the AJC leadership are as deluded about Islam as the present Pope.
gloria stewart says
What drug are the AJC members doing? They ought to consider cutting the dosage. Muslims are the enemy of non Muslims with Jews at the top of the list. This is indicated not only by Islamic foundational documents such as the Koran, the Hadith and The Reliance of the Traveler, but by the historical conduct of Muslims once their numbers reach a critical mass, and by their current conduct when they are able to reach significant numbers in non Muslim countries. Also please check out the unholy alliance between Hajj Husseini of Jerusalem and Adolph Hitler in the 1930’s and through World War II. By the way, there has been for years a group started by Muslims (Muslim Brotherhood front MPAC to be exact) called NewGround. It is a Muslim-Jewish alliance. In the 1990’s, when Islam was trying to achieve the respectability in America that attended Judaism and Christianity, a trio of clergymen would visit various churches and civic groups to attest to the benign nature of Islam. They were a Christian, Reverend George Regas; a Jew, Rabbi Leonard Birnbaum, and a Muslim, Dr. Maher Hathout.
John Hawk says
This is rich. “Natural allies?” Well, in the sense that human beings and the Black Death are “natural allies,” then yes.
commonsense says
Devastatingly hilarious. I needed that…thanks.
Enola gay says
Fox, henhouse. Nuff said, just sayin’, no problemo, no worries and all the rest of the “high road “ (to hell) sayings.
gravenimage says
American Jewish Committee: “Jews and Muslims are natural allies in the US to fight bigotry against both groups”
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Good God, what idiots. Don’t they know how Islam treats Jews? Of course not.
ElderlyZionist says
Jews have been trying to make friends with the Muslims for 100 years. Wishing doesn’t make it so.
gravenimage says
“Fraid so.
The unexpected voice says
The Jews are bigoted by Muslims, since Qur’an told them that The Jews are cursed by Allah.
tgusa says
If that’s the way they feel about it I would prefer that those who feel this way just leave. We don’t want or need that level of stupidity here.
Oppose bigotry by becoming a threat to everyone else!
Mr. Cohen says
Dr. Joachim Prinz said:
“The Jewish people are optimists,
addicted to a passionate belief
that they cannot possibly have
enemies bent on their destruction.”
SOURCE: The Secret Jews
(chapter 2, page 53) by Joachim Prinz,
year 1973 CE, Random House, New York,
ISBN-10: 0853031851 ISBN-13: 978-0853031857
===================================
Dr. Joachim Prinz said:
In any attempt at defining their specific
psyche or “mystique,” we must include
that most puzzling and yet most revealing
contradiction in the Jewish mentality:
the apparent inability of the Jews
to understand or predict their own
catastrophes. The Jews, whose history
consists of one tragedy after another,
have yet to be prepared for any one of them.
Clemenceau, who as a young man witnessed
the most notorious of anti-Jewish trials,
the affair of Alfred Dreyfus,
is supposed to have remarked that
“only the defendant did not understand”
the Jewish implications of the trial.
It can be safely said that the only ones
who were oblivious to the possibility
of their own destruction in 15th-century
Spain were the Jews. So they surrendered,
died or lost their fortunes, and those
who survived were finally expelled
from the land of their birth.
This sort of blindness has been true
throughout Jewish history.
Jews have always been the last to know
what everyone else could have predicted.
It is as if they simply do not believe it possible.
As far as they were concerned, it “happened overnight.”
They packed up and left.
But nothing really happened “overnight.”
SOURCE: The Secret Jews
(chapter 2, page 51) by Joachim Prinz,
year 1973 CE, Random House, New York,
ISBN-10: 0853031851 ISBN-13: 978-0853031857
===================================
MICROBIOGRAPHY:
Dr. Joachim Prinz was born in year 1902 CE.
He was a Reform Rabbi in Berlin and
one of the first Jewish leaders in
Germany to speak out against Nazism.
He was expelled from Germany in year 1937
and came to the USA, and served as Rabbi
of a large congregation in New Jersey.
He was President of the American Jewish
Congress from year 1958 to year 1966
and wrote many books
Lavéritétriomphera says
M.Cohen,
As regards the issue that you refer to, I think about this recurrent Mediterranean/Latin problem which is that we do not easily agree on anything, therefore the Romans united the Mediterranean world in an heavy-handed manner. I just wanted to add that as an aside.
I have corresponded with a well known jewish French-speaker Israeli, he is aware of the islamophile rabbis and he revealed to me the manipulation.
I do not want to level accusations at anyone, I’m not laying blame, but I will not stand up to defend islamophile persons. I believe Islam is a dangerous totalitarian ideology.
As we say in France “il y a des cons partout”, and we must at least acknowledge that some Jews collaborated with nazis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Ghetto_Police.
Peace upon you, your family, your country.
gravenimage says
Some Jews did hope they could save some Jews, if only themselves. This is not uncommon among victims.
Lavéritétriomphera says
That’s what the Vichy government said, they were collaborators.
AP says
This is a Joke, Send Dr. Prinz to Saudi Arabia, bet he wouldn’t las ten minutes, be losing his head.
Giacomo Latta says
Whatever happened to the old dictum (unwritten law?) of the separation of church and state. So now the AJC is afraid it will soon be the separation of religion and state and they will lose their undeserved privileges such as separate schools and tax benefits? Piss on all religions who think that.
terry sullivan says
some jews are very confused? roche and dubs flooding UK with moslems–why?
Pong says
AJC is the living proof that the jews have their share of idiots.
Efraim Sevela in his excellent book “Stop the plane, I am getting out” addressed jewish stupidity in humorous manner: The jews are people of extremes. If a jew is clever, you get Albert Einstein or at least Karl Marx, but if a jew is stupid you will not find that level of stupidity among any nation and a regular villige idiot next to him would be an example of high intelligence.
Larisa Fastovsky says
You’ve lost the few reminding marbles you had left, useful fools The major American Jewish organizations are totally pathetic. They don’t represent normal Jews. I, my family and my friends will never support your organization.
UNCLE VLADDI says
WITH GROUP RIGHTS COME GROUP RESPONSIBILITIES
David Levine says
Jews (and their rabbis) are blithely ignorant of the Islamic concept of taqiya (permission to lie to non-Muslims in the service of advancing Muslim goals). This ignorance – combined with innate Jewish optimism – will, I’m afraid, prove deadly. I take some comfort in knowing that many Israelis have wised up.
marc says
“Jews” that’s a broad statement, liberal Jews are liberal first, Orthodox, both traditional and modern know exactly what islam is. And yes, Israelis are also wise to islam having a lot of experience of taqiya, they may not know taqiya by that name, but they know any follower of islam can not be trusted to be truthful.
gravenimage says
Not all Jews are ignorant of the Jihad threat–just as not all Gentiles are.