When Hamas-linked CAIR filed this lawsuit, its Michigan top dog Dawud Walid said: “I think the question is, are we going to be selective about this? Are we following people and placing people on this list who go to KKK meetings, people who go to Donald Trump rallies?” So in Dawud Walid’s world, he would have you believe that people who go to Donald Trump rallies are just as likely to commit acts of terror as people who believe in a religion that exhorts believers to wage war against and subjugate unbelievers, and whose adherents have been responsible for over 28,000 terror attacks worldwide since 9/11.
This is a very clear illustration of a point I have made many, many times: that Hamas-linked CAIR opposes every counter-terror measure that has ever been proposed or implemented. The simple reason why there are more Muslims than anyone else on the terror watch list is because there are more Muslim terrorists than any other kind. But instead of addressing that within Muslim communities and working for reform, Hamas-linked CAIR wants authorities to devote as much attention in counter-terror efforts to Amish as to Muslims. That would be just asking for more jihad terror attacks. And that is what Anthony Trenga’s ruling is going to give us.
“Federal Judge Rules Terror Watch List Violates Constitutional Rights in Response to Lawsuit Brought by Terror-Tied CAIR,” by Cristina Laila, Gateway Pundit, September 4, 2019 (thanks to the Geller Report):
Federal Judge Anthony Trenga, a George W. Bush appointee ruled on Wednesday that the US government’s watchlist of over 1 million people violates the Constitutional rights of those placed on the list.
Terror-tied CAIR [Counsel (sic) on American Islamic Relations] filed the lawsuit in 2016 challenging the constitutionality of the US government’s terror watchlist which currently has over 1 million people in a database the FBI has labeled “known or suspected terrorists.”
CAIR is an unindicted co-conspirator in the largest terror funding case in US history, and they are now trying to force the US government to dissolve a list of people deemed to be dangerous terrorists.
The Washington Times reported:
A federal judge has ruled that the government’s watchlist of more than 1 million people identified as “known or suspected terrorists” violates the constitutional rights of those placed on it.
The ruling Wednesday from Judge Anthony Trenga grants a summary judgment to nearly two dozen Muslim U.S. citizens who challenged the watchlist with the help of a Muslim civil-rights group, the Council on American-Islamic Relations.
But the judge is seeking additional legal briefs before deciding what remedy to impose.
AP previously reported:
The watchlist, also known as the Terrorist Screening Database, is maintained by the FBI and shared with a variety of federal agencies. Customs officers have access to the list to check people coming into the country at border crossings, and aviation officials use the database to help form the government’s no-fly list.
mccode says
Every victim of 9/11 is being dishonored. This is a disgrace of the highest order.
t. says
This is to show that the west’s legal system, elites and policy makers are far more dangerous contributors to the demise of the west than Islam is.
This is why, for quite some time now, even though I still believe that Islam is the most evil totalitarian ideology and belief system that ever existed on this planet, I blame the west for its own looming disappearance as we know it.
Terry Gist says
No just willing partners
rubiconcrest says
The judge, however, was the first to rule in favor of Trump’s travel ban in 2017. The question we have to ask is why the government can’t do a better job defending the watchlist.
gravenimage says
True, rubiconcrest.
b.a. freeman says
…why [can’t] the government … do a better job defending the watchlist[?]
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*excellent* point, rubiconcrest. this case highlights the main problem we have with the pirate cult: the people running the law enforcement and defense arms of the national government (heck, at the state and local levels as well) are uninformed, and are therefore making uninformed decisions. it’s almost identical to a bank robber bragging about his robberies on line, in print, and in person, yet having the courts, police, media, and educational institutions not checking any of his proclamations before pronouncing him a victim of white supremacism.
the ummah and the left, who are employing the former as a proxy army to destroy us, have all but won the war against free people. if kluxers or nazis had killed almost 30 000 people since 9/11, we wouldn’t be saying that talking about them doing the murders was hate speech; we would be busily arresting the offenders here and attacking them elsewhere around the planet. in hopes of reaching the largely-uneducated public, i will speak the truth freely until a hard-core leftist or a pious muslim puts a bullet into my head, but i fear that a bullet will indeed be my end. i only hope that i will be able to take down 1 or 2 of the infected killers before they get me.
marc hannah (@Marc751e2f95) says
The people, who adhere to sharia, are the enemies of every person who does not submit, as they do, to a barbaric, individually destructive, psychologically debilitating pathology and set of mores as they do, whether they are in America or outside of her. Through this ruling, this Bush judge exposes himself and his part in the ongoing conspiracy to destroy the USA initiated by the Illuminati and their agents. Sharia adherents, the muslim brotherhood, the commies, the socialists, the illegal entrants into this country are all part of the plan to “Balkanize” America. All you have to do is ask anyone, in these groups, if they want to assimilate, that is, obey our laws and the Constitution as the supreme law of THIS land, or not? Their honest answer would be a resounding NO. Why? They do not, in whole or in part, agree with our form of gov’t or our cultural peculiarities. Knowing this, it is mystifying to understand why they would want to come, so earnestly, to our country, in the first place? Don’t be deceived, they are here to CHANGE America into the politically repressive, culturally stunted shihthoel that they left. This judge makes it easy for people, with a hostile ideology, into our country. Sharia adherents have to, under penalty of death and damnation, kill everyone who does not so adhere. This judge has let these people in and has obstructed our efforts to identify them, track them and vet them…all to the hurt of the American people. Even a sharia adherent recognizes the folly of letting people with a hostile ideology into your country. And they are laughing at this judge for doing it.
Steve says
I am saddened that Robert Spencer would post such a misleading post WITHOUT posting the ENTIRE Judge’s decision. Instead Robert lowered himself to a sensationalist headline. You think the Judge might have said no because those on the list are never told and have no appeal process thus are denied due process or does due process only count when you want it to? Post the Judges COMPLETE decision or just keep our comments to yourself.
Savvy Kafir says
Kafir-hating Muslims — both stealth jihadis and those who would like to blow up airliners — are using our laws against us. And we’re still letting them do it, eighteen years after 9/11. Because we’ve been foolish enough to allow these savages into our country, we need to re-think and re-work our legal system so that it better protects the rights & lives of non-Muslims.
Islam is different. Its True Believers present a unique threat. That should be crystal-clear to everyone by now. If we are too stupid to recognize those facts and make the necessary adjustments to our laws (and Constitution) to deal with this threat, we really don’t deserve to survive & thrive — and the Allah junkies will see to it that we don’t.
Bob Hardy says
Steve, A watch list is not a violation of “due process;” it is a function of due process. In other countries a suspected person is not put on a watch list, they are put in a prison.
Marbran says
Which is what we need to see happen. If a person is on a watch list, then charge them with the crime they’ve committed, instead of pussy-footing around the truth for fear of being labeled Islamophobic. Anything short of charging/prosecuting is political correctness, which is killing our nation.
gravenimage says
This ruling was specifically to do with CAIR itself–it is not an indictment, for good or ill, of the entire concept of the terror watch list. It is Steve who is being misleading here.
b.a. freeman says
why didn’t *U* post the decision, Steve? and how much do U know about islam? i encourage U to look into it for yourself. look at the scriptures of islam (the quran, the 6 authentic books of hadith, and the sira), and keep the principle of abrogation in mind (insipred by quran 2:106). if i had it all to do over again, i would start with the sira (biographies of muhammed), because it is the only part of islamic scripture in chronological order. also, the quran is *ONLY* the words of allah; there is no context, and it’s not in chronolgical order of revelation. i’m just a voice on the internet, so *LOOK FOR YOURSELF*!!!
Herb says
And yet the government wants to take away OUR guns? The government wants to silence our truth about Muslims? They want to make Conservatives the evil monsters and call names on people, but we can’t fight back because we will be called bigots and racists? First of all Islam is not a race, and racist and bigot are wrong to even use. There is only one race and that is the Human race.
StacyGirl says
Yes, a Bush appointee furthering more ROP delusion. Treating terrorists with care.
Sorry to be OT: Take a look at the Baker Heirloom Seeds page on Facebook. What began as a post about an upcoming plant conference had become a defense of Palestinians and trashing of Israel. To read it you’d think the Paleos are upholding civilization in the ME. Stunningly stupid. I’m no longer doing business with them. My post was accurate, civil, and removed.
gravenimage says
StacyGirl, it took a bit of digging, but I found the post you were referring to here:
https://www.facebook.com/rareseeds/
(It’s fairly far down)
The idea that Israel is threatening biodiversity is just grotesque. In fact, Israel is a big center for this–including the Israel Seed Conservancy. No Muslim countries–including those that surround Israel–are doing anything like this.
And the idea that the “Palestinian Territories” are “feeding the world” is just ridiculous–these Muslims get a lot of their food from Israel.
Sorry–but not surprised–to hear that they removed your post.
James Lincoln says
gravenimage,
Yes, Muslims get a lot of food from Israel. Ironically, burning kites from Gaza have destroyed many crops in Israel.
The insanity continues…
gravenimage says
It does indeed, James.
StacyGirl says
Thanks to both of you for your insight. It’s sad to see private and public sector organizations promote libel and slander against Israel (and any other jihad target) while defending terror. I notice one poster asked for proof and got crickets. Thank you, Baker Heirloom Seeds for telling us who you are.
gravenimage says
+1
Savvy Kafir says
The willful ignorance regarding Islam that still exists in the West is truly staggering! What will it take to make these sleepwalking idiots wake up, abandon political correctness, and begin looking at the evidence?
28,000 terror attacks since 9/11 — not enough? Not to mention all of the other unpleasantness brought to the West by Muslims in recent years: an epidemic of rape & sexual assaults … child grooming gangs … no-go zones in European cities where non-Muslims dare not tread … Sharia patrols on European streets … the constant intimidation of anyone who insults Islam in the slightest way, or who offends the sensibilities of hair-trigger Muslims … public threats (in European cities!) of butchering & beheadings by Muslims incensed over cartoons … Muslims in the West openly stating their hatred for Western culture, Jews, & other infidels … and imams throughout the West preaching violent jihad, Demographic Jihad, Stealth Jihad, and the Islamic conquest of Western societies. PLUS the glaring & disgusting evidence presented by Muslim-majority nations around the world – the most hellish, ignorant, retrograde, violent, unwholesome, misogynistic, goat-humping, sheep-shagging societies on Earth — which should have been all the evidence we needed to prevent the immigration of any Muslims to the West in the first place.
Some very unhealthy ideas, attitudes, & presumptions are at work here, to create such an unlikely situation, in which the fate of the West is suddenly in serious doubt. A perfect storm of political correctness, cultural relativism, white guilt, white hate, globalism, a catastrophic failure to properly appreciate Western culture & Western civilization, and a willful ignorance buttressed by the mainstream media, Internet pundits, gutless politicians, Hollywood bimbos of both sexes, & other opinion-makers.
The wolves of Islam are gathering to feast on the silly, suicidal sheep who have invited the predators into the fold and become their willing, witless allies. And those of us who would prefer not to be eaten are forced to fight our way through a flock of fools like Judge Anthony Trenga in order to deal with the wolves. The situation is as surreal as it is horrifying.
Bob H. says
Brilliant post. Keep up the good work.
gravenimage says
It is even worse than this–over 35,000 Jihad terror attacks just since 9/11
James Lincoln says
Savvy Kafir,
Looks it looks like you hit on about everything…
+10
somehistory says
The Pulse Nightclub mass murdering moslm was on that list…at least for a time. How many did he deprive of their Constitutional rights to “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”?
Government agencies in the business of law enforcement, have always had ‘lists’ of people they were watching…mobsters, including mafia, Cosa Nostra,; prison related gangs such as the AB, etc.
If they can’t name the people they are watching who are islam connected, then just give them numbers.
They all have such similar, and even repeated, names, it must be difficult to sort them all out. They all have similar looks in their eyes…just give them numbers and then cair can’t name them in court.
gravenimage says
The Pulse Nightclub mass murdering moslm was on that list…at least for a time. How many did he deprive of their Constitutional rights to “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”?
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Spot on, Somehistory.
gravenimage says
Federal judge rules in favor of Hamas-linked CAIR, rules that Terror Watch List violates Constitutional rights
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Does Judge Trenga know what CAIR threatens us with? What a fool.
Robert_k says
CAIR filed the appeal for this legal ruling, and, of course, Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar their fifth column are cheering it. (See the online JPOST article).
As the Muslim Brotherhood says in “The Project” – We view our Jihad in America as a Grand Jihad to destroy Western Civilization from within by their hands and the hands of the believers.”
You got to hand it to the Judge. He is working by their playbook.
gravenimage says
He is a useful idiot.
mortimer says
The Terrorist Screening Database is not going away, but Judge Trenga may soon find himself in early retirement. The USA has a right to defend itself from terrorists and so do America’s allies.
I WILL NOT BE FLYING IF THEY DON’T MAINTAIN THAT LIST AND THE AIRLINES ALL KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THE LIST IS TOO.
15% of Muslims self-declare supporters of Islamic terrorism. They are friends of terrorism who will aid and abet the terrorists. They have to be monitored to alert the authorities before jihad attacks occur.
These crypto-jihadists are logistical supporters of terrorism. Monitoring them will give the FBI, CIA and other security forces the first clues that an attack may be coming.
James Lincoln says
mortimer,
Without that list, I personally will be flying a lot more Space-A – on US military aircraft.
Unfortunately, most people do not have that option, or the option to hire private pilots/aircraft…
KWJ says
The climate change alarmists will like you not flying. Scare everyone out of everything. Let’s make sure they’re all flying on commercial planes that have no empty seats.
The database for possible threats isn’t much different than what the DEA does for drug cartels and their employees.
No-Fly lists have been wrong and people have been stopped at the airport, their vacation or business trip screwed up, so the lists do need to be more accurate. If a terrorist were to attack a plane it would make things worse for Muslims. In fact, CAIR makes things worse for Muslims. Given CAIR’s involvement in the Holy Land Foundation conspiracy, nobody should be trusting them.
Dave N says
I was reading the article and thought, “CAIR actually did something that furthers individual freedom?” Indeed, we need a way to keep those that mean us harm on a list. But we have to protect the citizens of this FREE land. I know someone on that list that is as patriotic as George Washington. But because of the liberal bent of the current system, they are literally stripped of their freedom to travel and that, by circumvention of their right to due process. America first needs to refuse citizenship to these people who want to destroy America. And then when they find people actively conspiring with those people (many in universities and elected offices; ie: Sandman, C*rtez, Nancy Pantz, Husein, etc….), you try and convict them according to due process and parade them for all people in the free land of America to see.
BTW, Maine is now the safest state in the union thanks to their Constitutional Carry law enacted four years ago, along with her sister state (Vermont or N Hampshire – can’t remember which). Bad guys don’t like good guys who arm themselves and refuse to be victims.
Angemon says
“with the help of a Muslim civil-rights group”
That’s odd – I thought that civil rights applied to all individuals, not just muslims…
Lightship Chaplain says
What an idiot!
Sonia szenay says
last time I check judges didn’t make rules they enforce the law they don’t make laws
NotALib_NoMo says
CAIR is a terrorist organization. It’s officers, members, and supporters are terrorists. Period.
SAF says
living proof Bush was no conservative…
toomanyhobbies says
let me guess…… 9th district…..
gravenimage says
Nope–all the way across the country from there.