“Fifteen years is a very long time for mistakes you made coming to Syria.”
U.S. officials would be foolish to believe him. He is akin to the Nazis after World War II who claimed that they knew nothing of the genocide of the Jews, and were only following orders. But the fact that believing him would be foolish doesn’t mean that they won’t. After all, it isn’t as if Abdelhamid Al-Madioum did something absolutely unforgivable, such as discuss the roots of jihad violence and Sharia oppression in Islamic texts and teachings.
“US ‘Isis fighter’ locked up in hellhole prison demands he be forgiven and brought home to America,” by Jimmy McCloskey, Metro, September 18, 2019:
A US-born Isis fighter languishing in a hellhole jail has said he should be forgiven for joining the extremist terror group and brought home to America.
Abdelhamid Al-Madioum, 22, claims he entered Isis territory in 2015 in the hopes of becoming a doctor.
He is now residing in a prison stuffed with Isis members in Northern Syria, with news footage showing scores of men living together in cramped conditions.
Al-Madioum, from Minneanapolis [sic], says he was recruited to Isis by cheerful online propaganda portraying the murderous outfit whose killings shocked the world as charitable and kind. He describes himself as a ‘conspiracy theorist’ and insists he believed reports about mass slaughter carried out by the group were ‘fake news.’
The terror suspect maintains he was never a fighter, but instead claims he is a victim after losing his arm in a US air strike.
Talking of his original plans to become a medic, Al-Madioum told CBS News: ‘They gave me a blank check to buy whatever I wanted.
‘Here’s the thing. People like me that see this, don’t really believe the news.’
Al-Madioum says he has been interrogated by FBI and warned he faces 15 years in prison if he is eventually deported to the US. But the extremist insists such a sentence is far too long, and declared: ‘Fifteen years is a very long time for mistakes you made coming to Syria.’
And asked if he thought he deserved to be forgiven, Al-Madioum answered: ‘I would say that.’…
JHL says
Islam shows neither compassion nor forgiveness for the Kafirs: Why should we forgive him? He is a threat to national security.
Herb L says
In Islam, Mercy is a sign of weakness, and is taken very seriously as Submission to the Enemy. When America shows Mercy to Muslims, America is saying that they are the weakest of creatures and are Submitting to their superiority.
gravenimage says
Yes–this is how Muslims see things.
Max says
Give him the choice 15 yrs or death
abad says
No way should he be allowed back in the United States.
He has forfeited his privilege to being an American.
He must stay in his Glorious Caliphate of Syria(TM) now and forever.
End PC says
Never take them back. They renounced their US citizenship and became enemies when they joined ISIS. They are dangerous and this is not complicated.
Panu bun says
The snake and the farmer . Have we ever read ?
gravenimage says
+1
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Aw let him back here. Maybe I’ll run into him at the Eden Prairie WalMart, Jihad sympathy runs high there.
So what that he for 15 years fought in a war and killed Infidels. We’re not at war with Islam. Dubya and Barack Hussein both said that. So what’s the beef? He’s pro-Islam and so are the Infidels in Minnesota. Don’t forget that Rep Ilhan Omar D-MN is one of ours.
Let the guy back in, let him return his life to normal and enjoy the prosperity and peace here in America.
Geoff Adams says
We English say in a situation such as this.no bollocks to him.the silly cunt decided to join ISIS. Leave the bastard to bloody well rot.i mean come on the upped sticks and decided to sod off and link up with these nutjobs so leave the bastard to rot.and bollocks to his human rights. And the same goes for his poxy lawyer
Savvy Kafir says
In a sane world, coming back to the U.S. would be a death sentence for this jihadi. He chose the wrong side in this war, because of his savage, imperialistic religion. He wanted to see brutal, kafir-hating Islamists prevail. He does not deserve forgiveness — just a quick, humane death. If we cannot bring ourselves to eliminate the enemy, we cannot win this war. Spending millions of dollars to keep this jihadi in prison would be an insane waste of money.
Kerry Wade says
Quite right, and all of the terrorists and their supporters should be executed immediately no exceptions. You don’t keep a nest of rats in your home, you exterminate them. Only then will we believe the war on terror is actually taking place.
Liz says
“Fifteen years is a very long time…”, taxpayers should not have to support him for even one day.
“Fifteen years is a very long time…”, it can be made shorter for him, this is war lead is cheap.
Ernie says
+1
Giacomo Latta says
Garnish him for the cost of the lead first.
Stanton Lore says
Perhaps he also thinks he should get VA benefits based on losing one arm in battle. After all he is a US citizen. He should pray the US accepts him and is put in a Federal prison for 15 years. Certainly much better than where he resides now.
Deborah Winn says
Oh yeah let him back in. Ilhan Omar is shopping around for a new husband.
Battle says
Deborah Winn hits nail on head. Good.
Teanna Seminerio says
I love how he uses the “conspiracy theorist” “fake news” angle to try to make people he’s just an idiot instead someone who knowingly & intentionally joined a cult of sadistic serial killers… You know, the truth
Angemon says
Pfffttt. Dr. Mengel or Ishii, maybe…
mortimer says
The ISIS medical college ? … Oh, sure, he only wanted to study at the only ‘school’ of medicine that holds anatomy class using LIVING HUMAN BODIES.
What’s to criticize? (sarc/off)
Angemon says
Oh, and this is the kind of s*** for why you don’t hand out citizenships based on the place of birth. There’s an unwritten contract – you perpetuate your country’s culture in return for the citizenship. Which is why most countries make birth citizenship dependant on the parent’s nationality.
mortimer says
The story of Abdelhamid Al-Madioum doesn’t add up. No one can believe the smallest amount of it.
In fact, Abdelhamid Al-Madioum believed in the caliphate and believed it had, and still has, a divine right to oppress ‘others’, but he thinks no one has a right to arrest him and other mujihadeen who fought for the caliphate, committing crimes against humanity. Why should he be ‘forgiven’ if what he did was glorious?
He speaks as if modern human rights laws and laws against war crimes did not exist. He lives in a fantasy world even now in prison.
Abdelhamid Al-Madioum is a vicious, MERCILESS, unrepentant bigot and killer … and now that he is in a horrible jail he DEMANDS MERCY. He gave no mercy to all his victims.
Joe says
Yeah, where is forgiveness in Islam?
Battle says
mortimer hits nail on head. Good.
James Lincoln says
According to the feature article:
“Abdelhamid Al-Madioum, 22, claims he entered Isis territory in 2015 in the hopes of becoming a doctor.”
Let’s see, where did he complete his premed studies in the United States?
When did he take the MCAT Medical College Admission Test?
GPA 3.5 or higher?
Did he apply to any medical schools in the United States ?
And what about those pesky letters of recommendation…
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
James Lincoln points out a big gap in this news report (actually, not a new report but an opinion column by one Jimmy McClosky). What medical schools in the Islamic State did this 22-year-old apply to? What tuition do they charge? Was he on a scholarship including room and board? He says, “They gave me a blank check to buy whatever I wanted.” Who is “they”? How much money did he receive? What did he spend it on? Now that former pediatric neurosurgeon Ben Carson has gone into politics, let’s hope this young man can take his place as the world’s first one-armed pediatric neurosurgeon.
gravenimage says
Good points, James and Mark. Who would go to the chaotic Islamic State to study medicine?
And who gave him a blank check? ISIS? Why would they do that?
So what is the bullsh*t? It’s pretty obvious. Pretty much the only innocent reasons for trying to operate in a terror zone is working with a charitable group or being a doctor. It’s clear that Al-Madioum wasn’t working with a charity–they had all pulled out as the Islamic State was too dangerous–so he’s posing as a doctor. I bet I’ve got more medical knowledge than he does.
sandra burns says
I read an excellent article the other day by a man whom has worked in counter terrorist since 9-11. He went to Minnesota to check the threat level there. He visited Masques and cities all over the state. He put the threat level at a 3 , I believe. He said ” Minnesota is all but lost. It is full of illegal immigrants. they are from Nigeria and unwilling to assimilate.” Let him come home, it will seem like he is still where he is now. Wonder what his parents have suffered at the hands of all their new neighbors?
gravenimage says
Sandra, I think that is this story:
“Inside Mosques: Investigating and Evaluating Threat Levels”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/09/inside-mosques-investigating-and-evaluating-threat-levels
Battle says
Sandra Burns hits nail on head. Good.
Liz says
The report is highly recommended! One clarification to the comment: MN is the no 1 spot for Somalis outside of Somalia.
The immigrants from Nigeria we have in Minnesota are very thankful to be in the US away from the loading genocide; they are happily assimilating into local communities.
Jihadwatch also released one on Boston this past week too, also highly recommended!
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/09/inside-mosques-investigating-and-evaluating-threat-levels
The unexpected voice says
You’ll be forgiven when you stop being a muslim.
Liz says
+1
Enraged Kafar says
Double Dittos on that
Enraged Kafar says
Taqiyya in its simplest form. He is lying just to get back to the states so he can become shahid. Our beaurocrats are just stupid enough to allow it. I hope that the KRG treats him worse than the dog he is.
Barbara says
That’s what I thought. U can’t believe him because lying is permitted to further Islam.
Spiro says
correct
He needs to stay out of the US
gravenimage says
Yep.
Kepha says
If this guy is a US-born citizen, we’re pretty much stuck with him if he ever gets out of his hellhole prison abroad. You pretty much have to become a foreign head of state or policy-level official in a foreign government to forfeit birth citizenship (the late King Bhumibol of Thailand was one such case–and he and his country were friendlies).
However, whether it was a consular officer or an FBI liaison overseas who told him he faces 15 years of American incarceration should he return, the US official was simply doing his job. Next step, I suppose, if the country that holds him deports him to the USA, the FBI will be waiting on the tarmac; or, if protocols with the holding country allow, will probably be sitting with him on the plane home.
Now, if the guy is only an asylee or permanent resident, he can and should be stripped of that status and barred re-entry.
For the record, Uncle Kepha does not like the idea of changing birthright citizenship of the 14th Amendment kind, and not simply because the Amendment process was deliberately made difficult by the Framers of our Constitution; nor is he for stripping people of citizenship save in the case of naturalized citizens who prove to be criminals. Stripping people of citizenship is something that totalitarian regimes do in order to destroy all ties among citizens besides that which ties them to the state, to be preserved or disposed of at the whim or will of whoever holds power. Further, in defining who is an American, we spelled that out in the 14th Amdendment, and upheld birthright even for a highly unpopular minority in US v. Wong Kim Ark (1896). What other criteria could we use for determining US citizenship? It is clear from our Civil Rights Movement that we do not want a bifurcated population, with one portion enjoying the full protections of citizenship and another portion, while born and brought up here, holding a second-class status (for the record, as far as I know, I am not black).
All this being said, Uncle Kepha also support tough penalties for criminals, up to and including the death penalty for murder. Certainly a lot of our “fine, upstanding Muslim young men” (as a law-enforcement officer once said sarcastically about gang activity in the area where I teach) who have joined ISIS or other terrorist movements might be subjected to this.
gravenimage says
Kepha wrote:
If this guy is a US-born citizen, we’re pretty much stuck with him if he ever gets out of his hellhole prison abroad
…………….
Maybe not, Kepha:
“Trump officials pushing to strip convicted jihad terrorists of citizenship”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/06/trump-officials-pushing-to-strip-convicted-jihad-terrorists-of-citizenship
But for now, just keeping him from returning is 9/10ths of the law, so to speak.
Kepha says
Then here is a point where I part company with the Trump administration–although I cannot see voting for any of the Democrats rising to challenge him; and I will all but certainly vote for whoever challenges the Democratic incumbents in my deep indigo state in any Congressional races (even if I will merely be the proverbial calf butting against the oak tree).
The US Founding Documents see government as a compact between the people and their leaders on both state and national levels. There is a sense in which the status of citizen is presupposed as logically prior to the formation of the state. On the other hand, the French Revolution and its heirs in 20th century totalitarianism (and I, for one, can see the totalitarians’ claim to that mantle) assume the [revolutionary] state as logically prior.
I am fully aware that historically, we Americans have had a hard time defining who we are. Are we transplanted Britons who should guard against the 18th century influx of Germans into Pennsylvania and other colonies-cum-states? Should we exclude the historically Roman Catholic people? Are we a generically “white” people who embrace Roman Catholic and Jew as well as Protestant? Should we make a concerted effort to exclude those whom the best 19th century deemed to be inferior stocks? Indeed, much of our own internal criticism of the racist heritage in our makeup (and while I certainly oppose it, I admit it is there) and how this self-criticism is received abroad does indeed affect both domestic and foreign perceptions of who we are.
This was pointedly driven home to me when serving as a diplomat in China (steeped as it is in a 19th century nationalist ideology largely copied from the Germans). A clerk sent by their foreign ministry to “help” (spy) on our consulate noted that my actual last name (obnoxiously “Mitteleuropische”) didn’t seem very “American”. Unfortunately, the ensuing conversation, which touched on a number of points, did not leave my interlocutor with an appreciation of our American “melting pot” (or uneven stew); but, after horrifying her by pointing out re discussion of German-Americans in WWII that Gen. Eisenhower’s name meant “iron cutter” in German, I left the impression that we Americans are a collection of “race traitors”. To simplify, while I by no means wish to disparage the white, British Isles-descended portion of our population, we simply do not have a “core” ethnicity to define us such as the Han/Hua Xia people in China or the German ethnicity that crystalized in the Middle Ages in Germany. Nor have we historically tried to force everyone into a common mold (after the post-Revolutionary French effort to suppress all local idiosyncrasies in law, language, custom, etc.)–a witnessed by our eighth president (Van Buren) having Dutch rather than English as his first language, and the persistence of certain ethno-cultural enclaves in our society.
And, while I do not bow to every race hustler (I have often said how I find the memory of Malcolm X odious), I firmly appreciate that the Fourteenth Amendment’s definition of birthright citizenship was an honest attempt to at least politically assimilate the black freedmen. It was the beginning of a sense that we Americans did not want a society bifurcated into a group of “real” citizens and another group of “not quites” (or less). While this ideal has not always been realized in practice, I believe it represents something important and valuable. It is why I cheer Justice Harlan’s dissent in Plessy v. Ferguson; and frown on his dissent in US v. Wong Kim Ark.
This being said, I see Abdelhamid Al-Mamioun as a criminal. If it is proven that he committed murder while in ISIS, I would have no qualms about his getting a cocktail of toxins injected into him while strapped to a prison gurney (after due process of law, of course). But this is simply an admission that the USA can and does produce its own bad eggs, and we should not pretend otherwise.
gravenimage says
Kepha, stripping citizenship may just refer to naturalized citizens.
Wellington says
Return? Hell no.
gravenimage says
Muslim from Minneapolis who joined ISIS wants to return, says he should be forgiven
……………………
Never let him back in. He will wage Jihad here.
Lois says
The Images of the Ruthless barbaric treatment of ISIS cant be erased, they all were blood thirsty murderers beyond the pale. Never allow any of these killers into a civilized society, let them rot in jail, before they rot in hell.
James says
He ought to look for a place in the Near East to stay. His leftist advisors probably made up his story for him, and he would like to carry on terrorism in the USA. He does not want to get an office job in the states or something similar. He probably knew very well what ISIS was doing when he joined, and he wanted to do what ISIS does. That is my take. I live in Mpls, and I would not like him to be my neighbor.
Ascender says
He looks like he could be Ilhan Omar’s brother. Or in her case, brother/husband.
Goofy says
If you fight wars for other countries than your own you commit treason and you deserve capital punishment. In that perspective it is generous to take away his citizenship and let him pursue his luck in the Islamic world
Geo Garcia says
He Committed Treason And Deserves the Death penalty.
Richard Philemon Jr says
Hell NO He made his choice, a very bad choise God may forgive, but I won’t
I survived a IED attach from them and it left me with 38% 3rd degree burns on my body He can go to hell
Rick says
So Sorry!!!! Have a nice barbarian life.