This is being presented as yet another crazy thing Sinead O’Connor has said, but it really isn’t. It is a supremacist sentiment that is undeniably ugly, but it is standard Islamic doctrine. It is based on a hadith in which Muhammad is depicted as saying: “No babe is born but upon Fitra (as a Muslim). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Polytheist.” (Sahih Muslim 6426)
“Sinead O’Connor insists she was ‘born a muslim’ before swearing on live TV,” by Harry Brent, Irish Post, September 16, 2019:
SINEAD O’CONNOR has claimed that she has always been a muslim and that her famous ‘conversion’ to Islam in 2018 was in fact a ‘reversion’.
When asked about her conversion during an appearance on Good Morning Britain on Monday, Sinead told host Susanna Reid: “In Islam you don’t call it conversion, you call it reversion. The idea is that you were born Muslim in the first place.”
O’Connor said that she went through a stage of studying a number of religions, and admitted that prior to her reversion, she had “a huge amount of prejudice” about the Islamic faith.
“I’ve been a theologian all my life, studying theology, but I never thought that I would join any particular religion,” said the 52-year-old.
“I studied all the different religions, and I left Islam ’till last because I had such a huge amount of prejudice about it actually, but as soon as I read chapter two I was like: ‘Oh my God, I’ve been a Muslim all my life I didn’t even realise it.”
She went on to explain that The Quran (the holy text of the Islamic faith) argues that all previous scripture used in other major religions has been tampered with, and goes on to confirm what the ‘actual’ stories are – something which O’Connor claims she’s “always believed”….
Gart says
At the very least I hope she finds peace, and then quiet. It’s been difficult at times.
mortimer says
Response to Gart:
Sinead’s mental illness will not go away and Islam is so very demanding in its minutiae, it will certainly become a source of very GREAT anxiety for O’Connor. She will likely drop out of Islam within 2 years after she learns that all instrumental music is HARAM (forbidden) and after learn the depth of misogyny in Islam.
The Muslims will then be in for a great SCOLDING from this angry woman because of systemic Islamic misogyny.
There is much hidden, physical abuse in Muslim families. She will hear about Islamic abuse and honor killings in the next two years.
The U.N. estimates there are 5,000 honor killings each year.
In Pakistan, 1,000 women die in ‘honor killings’ annually.
About 500 honor killings per year are reported in hospitals in Iraqi Kurdistan, although real numbers are likely higher. It is speculated that alone in Erbil there is one honor killing per day. Kurdistan is only one part of Iraq.
The number of honor killings in Muslim countries generally is under-reported. It is likely much higher … as much as 10,000 per year.
90% of all honor killings are by Muslims.
mgoldberg says
Wait till she finds out that leaving Islam brings a possible death sentence as it is specifically forbidden.
gravenimage says
I doubt she knows anything about the death penalty for apostasy.
Aminah says
Apostasy Missunderstood since It is Clearly Statet in Quran No Compulsion in Religion.
When Islam’s Messenger Established a Society as Such In Medina many Aspects of became also Military Defence of..
Just like Any Country Security essential part of.
What’s Sad Much Ignorence and Abuse of Religious matters happening.
Homour Killing included Is a Social Thing having Nothing to Do with Islam.
There Are many Muslim scholars who Teaches True Classical Sources Which Totally Against That.
Yet It Need Knowledgable Clerics in Spesific Fields to Explain that.
Mostly Muslim Countries Religious Books Are The Thinnest.
And What Is Focus on Is Not Deeper Spiritual matters.
More Verses Taken Total out of Context Are Dangerous matters.
To Know More.
Scholars Like Sheikh Hamza Yusuf.
Nouman Ali Khan Going Deeper into This by classical Sources of Knowledge.
Not Extremists.
And..
From Adam until The messenger of Islam.. Peace be upon Them All.
Including Moses, Ibrahim and Jesus Were All Muslims.
The Moon.. ?
Starts and The Sun ☀️
Following The Divine Laws In a Sense Muslims too..
In a Deeper Sense which my New Sister Refer to.
Ignorence Dangerous
Angemon says
“Apostasy Missunderstood since It is Clearly Statet in Quran No Compulsion in Religion.
That’s 2:256. Let’s take a good look at the whole verse instead of your cherry-picked snippet:
2:256: “There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.”
Now, the following verse, 2:257:
2:257: “Allah is the protecting guardian of those who believe. He bringeth them out of darkness into light. As for those who disbelieve, their patrons are false deities. They bring them out of light into darkness. Such are the rightful owners of the Fire [of Hell]. They will abide therein [forever].”
Quite the difference, isn’t it? 256 is for muslims, 257 is for non-muslims. Muslims better not disbelieve and non-muslims better believe, or else, eternal hellfire. 18:29 is similar, in nature, to 2:256-257:
18:29: “Say: (It is) the truth from the Lord of you (all). Then whosoever will, let him believe, and whosoever will, let him disbelieve. Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers Fire. Its tent encloseth them. If they ask for showers, they will be showered with water like to molten lead which burneth the faces. Calamitous the drink and ill the resting-place!”
Clearly, this isn’t the “believe if you want to” islamic apologists like to imply – it’s a “you better believe, or else!” threat. There’s also 8:2:
8:2: They only are the (true) believers whose hearts feel fear when Allah is mentioned, and when His revelations are recited unto them they increase their faith, and who trust in their Lord.”
“True believers” are those “whose hearts feel fear when Allah is mentioned”. Again, not exactly “believe if you want” – more “you better believe, or else!”. Then there are those verses stating that allah decides who is a believer and who isn’t, and the verses where the non-belief in islam is called a disease – again, incompatible with “believe if you want” but compatible with “you better believe, or else!”. And besides that, there’s abrogation – 2:256 is abrogated by 9:73:
9:73: “O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey’s end.”
“Strive against the unbelievers”! “Be harsh with them”! – again, incompatible with “believe if you want” but in line with “you better believe, or else!”.
No, there’s clearly compulsion in religion in the quran. To all those saying “the quran clearly states there is no compulsion in religion”, I only have this to say:
https://youtu.be/AJXKVOxqkWM?t=5
Sherzad says
Aisha May Allah be pleased with her one of the wife of prophet Muhammad peace be upon him
“The messenger of Allah Peace be upon him never struck a servant or a woman.
Reference
Abu dawood 4768 Grade Sahih
FYI says
“Aisha said to muhammed ‘you have made us equal to the dogs and asses”
Sahih muslim 4:1039
“Women are compared to slaves and camels with regard to the evil in them”
Abu Dawud 2155
muhmmad the false prophet?{YHWH’s wrath be upon him}
mortimer says
Hadith: Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 11, No. 2142: Narrated Umar ibn al-kahttab:
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said:
A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.
gravenimage says
(Aisha narrated) “He struck me on the chest, which caused me pain, then he said: ‘Did you think that Allah and His Messenger would deal unjustly with you?’ I said: ‘Whatever the people conceal, He knows it.’…
–Sunan an-Nasa’i, Volume 3, Book 21, Hadith 2039
And the Qur’an itself–Sura 4:34–sacralizes wife beating:
Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband’s] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear disobedience – advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Sherzad,
Did you really read the Quran, are you sure you have read it correctly?
Shaikh mohammad Salim says
There is an average of 1800 rapes alone in New Delhi .Of which many are murdered . this is reported at the police station.
mortimer says
In 2009, the Saudi Gazette reported that a 23-year-old, unmarried woman was sentenced to one year in prison and 100 lashes for adultery. This woman had been gang-raped, became pregnant, and had tried (unsuccessfully) to abort the fetus. The flogging was postponed until after the delivery.
gravenimage says
There are plenty of Muslims in India, and raping Infidels is Halal.
FYI says
@shaikh muhammed salim
al lah,your demonic muslim pagan Arab god PERMITS the rape of women..
SUNAN ABU DAWUD vol 2 hadith # 2155
“..for those women whom your right hand possesses”
Your god gives permission for legalized rape of women.
gravenimage says
She won’t find peace by joining the religion of blood and death and hatred of women.
Sherzad says
Have you read Qur’an or your are speaking from your mind
mortimer says
Sherzad, we have read the Koran, hadiths, Sira and tafsirs, so we are not speaking off the top of our heads … that you want to remove. Sherzad, have you read ROBERT SPENCER’S BOOKS? Or are you closed-minded and brain-washed and unteachable?
gravenimage says
Sherzad wrote:
Have you read Qur’an or your are speaking from your mind
………………….
I have read the vicious Qur’an five times cover to cover, in multiple translations, as well as having numerous Suras at my fingertips. I have also read the Sira and many of the Hadiths, as well as scholarly commentary on all of the above. Mortimer is right–you will find little ignorance of the horrors of Islam here.
We also see the grim state of the Muslim world every day.
Islam is incredibly oppressive to women and Infidels, calling for the beating of women, and violence towards all unbelievers who do submit to Islam.
Keya says
Muslims also say Jesus was a Muslim. Delusional.
Layla says
Jesus was born in the middle east( not london or new york lol) and is very much middles eastern looking(no blue eyes or blonde hair lol) and he will return to his people of the middle east (not london or newyork lol) my ancestors are the middle eastern people that meet him and taught the world his message and so you are all followers of what a group of middle eastern desert dewellers believed in and said lol! So whos the delusional one?
Lavéritétriomphera says
@Layla,
“Jesus was born in the middle east( not london or new york lol) and is very much middles eastern looking(no blue eyes or blonde hair lol)” you weren’t there so you do not know that to be true.
Lavéritétriomphera says
@Tony Naïm,
Bonjour,
Je crois que les lois cosmiques sont universelles, qu’elles s’appliquent donc à toute la création.
J’ai des raisons personnelles de croire que nous serons tous jugés par notre conscience dans l’au-delà.
I believe we must face consequences of our actions in this world or in the hereafter because it is a cosmic law. The message is important, not the messenger.
Paix sur vous, votre famille, votre pays.
Amitiés
Tony Naim says
Ah ! Tres bien
Ce que vous dites ici est beaucoup
Plus raisonable. Et c’est completement different
De votre premier poste. Peut-Etre contradictoire Aussie.
Mais, Je suit tout a fait d’accord Avec vous maintenant.
BUT:
The beauty of the message is in the fact that it has the full back up of the messenger with ACTIONS.
I don’t see how one can split the 2 ??
I am not good at splitting hair!
With all my respect, my friend?
Lavéritétriomphera says
@Tony Naïm,
Bonsoir car c’est la nuit sur Toulouse.
Je ne me contredis pas, mais je vais chercher à expliquer ma position: les messages ont été tronqués pour des raisons politiques.
The actions are part of the message. Mohamed is dead, therefore he cannot defend himself, but as far as I know there is no “holy” wars in Byzantine and Persian annals of history and in the Jewish chronicles during Mohamed’s lifetime. As far I am concerned, his “Muslim” biography should be placed in the garbage, and I think his true message is lost. I even believe Mohamed has been eliminated because he was probably embarrassing to the Baal priests.
The gospels are testimonies and memory is a selection of souvenirs. The Latin and Greek church fathers retained four gospels, but many more existed at that time. Keep in mind that not everyone likes the idea that we must all face the consequences of our actions. I am thinking in particular of some political leaders.
So I think Jesus’s message is nowadays incomplete and therefore maybe truncated.
Je crois que les musulmans sont les otages d’une idéologie carcérale, et quand on est en prison, il est difficile de s’en sortir par soi-même.
Ami, je souhaite la paix aux arabes et aux juifs, et c’est pour cette raison que nous devons mettre en échec ceux qui veulent la guerre.
Paix sur vous, votre famille et espérons sur la Terre.
Amitiés
gravenimage says
What Keya was saying has nothing to do with Jesus’ looks–what superficial claptrap. Islam claims that Jesus–really, “prophet Isa”–was Muslim and will return to slaughter Christians.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Religions are man-made, I believe we’ll all go to the hereafter, because it is a natural law.
Tony Naim says
Your conclusion is illogical. The universe is dictated by norms & laws. There is a definite physical order. Some kind of hierarchy. The behavior of matter is NOT always bound by the same outcome. If conditions vary so does the outcome. All is relative in the physical universe. Same goes for the moral-spiritual order. There are norms. Behavior is directed by intent. Not all intent is the same: some of it is Good, some bad, and some is plain ugly. Radical Islam is ugly.
“La seulle verite qui triomphera : les enseignements de Jesus”
infidel says
She has completely mad now… But then Islam and the constant company of Muslims does that to U and I’m SERIOUS!!!
mortimer says
The ‘voices’ will be telling her to leave Islam within two years.
Roy Horton says
The world is full of weak, weak people. I dont trust anyone who converts (or reverts) to any religion, because it shows that they’re feeble minded and of poor character. Ms. O’Connor has shown this on many an occasion.
gravenimage says
Oh, converting to some faiths makes sense–no one should be forced to remain with the faith they were born with. Don’t you believe in freedom of conscience? Certainly, you cannot leave Islam without facing death threats.
But converting to the vicious creed of Islam *is* deeply disturbing.
mortimer says
O’Connor suffers from a mental illness. She is not feeble-minded. She is also clinically depressed.
Tony Naim says
The Bible teaches about the fruits of the spirit:
Love,Joy,Peace,Patience,Kindness,Goodness,faithfulness,gentleness and self-control.
The Koran preaches about the fruits of the instinct:
Anger, violence,warfare,lust, domination, subjugation and supremacy.
Sinead O’Connor has discovered herself in it.
Lotus says
A sad case.
Politicallyincorrectistruth. says
EVERYONE is born atheist. Then the brainwashing with superstition and myth. People can be led to believe all sorts of nonsense. From primitive savages to academics….How many believe the scientology is a true story? They actually believe that bullshit! How many believe that islam is a true story? How many Chinese still believe that rhino horn has magic properties?( It`s exactly the same composition as rhino toe nails, but toe nails are not removed and sold/used…..morons). All religions are just man made myth….it`s so blindingly obvious, if you can step back, ask questions. You find that theists have no answers. That`s why in bible school they don`t like people asking too many questions….don`t ask…just believe they say. Blind faith and delusion is easy for a gullible mind..
rubiconcrest says
The ones who say they have all the answers are the ones we should trust the least even if the person is an atheist. Difficult questions have no easy answers. The difference between blind faith(Islam) and freedom to question the faith(Christianity) is all the difference. One faith encourages growth the other does not.
Chand says
Correct, Politicallyincorrecistruth.
Religion has outlived its usefulness. Was a social glue in earlier times, a psychological balm against the arrows of time and life and attempts at answers to deep philosophical questions. Now it has become a barrier. Scientific materialism has irrevocably made them hollow.
Chand says
typo..……………..”time and life and made attempts at answers……………”
gravenimage says
Of course, the idea that all people of faith reject science is *quite* false–this also ignores all of the Christians and Jews who have themselves been scientists.
mortimer says
Hey, Chand, is that a way to persuade a Muslim to abandon Islam? You know it won’t work. You have to find a more convincing argument than your opinion.
CogitoErgoSum says
Just yesterday I watched a documentary about the ancient Incas of Peru and the narrator blamed the Spanish and their bloodthirsty god for bringing the Incan civilization to an end. Then I read a story about the frozen body of an Incan girl which had recently been found almost perfectly preserved atop a mountain in the Andes for around 500 years. She was only about 15 when she died and her cause of death was from having been drugged and left alone to die of exposure so that she could help the good spirits protect the living from the wrath of evil spirits. So the Incas practiced human sacrifice and the Spaniards did not, yet the Spaniards were the ones who worshiped a bloodthirsty god. So much for scientific answers to deep philosophical questions.
Chand says
Religions attempted, futilely, to tackle deep questions. Science does not directly delve into them. It is more interested in causes and effects of material phenomenon.
Religion as a material reality in human brains, as part of consciousness and the science of mystical experiences can, of course, be subjects for scientific enquiry.
CogitoErgoSum says
It’s interesting that (supposedly) the Incans had the technology to lift stones weighing a hundred tons or more and knew how to cut those stones with tools as hard or harder than steel and yet by the time the Spanish arrived (with their technology of armor and guns) were practically defenseless and had forgotten everything of the ancient technology of their ancestors and were practicing human sacrifice to ward off evil spirits,
gravenimage says
Yes–poor girls. There have been evil religions before–as Islam is now.
R Russell says
Chand.
I have found that if people have a strong rooted belief then irrespective of the evidence, they will choose to stick to their belief.
You might think I am describing someone who adheres to religion. Well I’m not. Well it is a religion I suppose – the religion of science or materialism.
You see Christianity is not about adhering to a set of rules, it is a friendship with the Jesus of the Bible. It is a living faith not dead rules.
Then we come to science (The religion of) which some people believe can prove the friendship with Jesus as a belief in some sort of myth. The trouble is they don’t realise that science and Christianity are totally compatible.
Try these websites – Institute for creation research – Creation.com – Answers in Genesis, just to name a few. Lots more which prove science and Christianity are totally compatible.
In fact ALL of the science found in the Bible is completely true, most of it not discovered by man for centuries or millennia later.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Scientific-Proof-of-Bible.php
But as I said, many people prefer what they have chosen to believe irrespective of the evidence to the contrary.
Battle says
She “reverted?” Seems she “reverted” back to her alleged adolescent shoplifting? Would be same as like shoplifting desert caravans?
mortimer says
Islam teaches that whatever helps Islam is ‘moral’, so Islam is actually amoral and opportunistic. Sinead will discover that.
She has been duped.
Battle says
I agree.
mortimer hits nail on head. Good.
Infidel says
I recall how she once ripped apart a picture of Pope John Paul II in one of her concerts in protest against the Catholic stance on abortion, which was behind Ireland’s law at the time. Wonder whether she even knows what the Islamic stance on abortion is, and whether she’s now anti-abortion due to Islam, or holds beliefs at odd w/ her faith in Islam?
t. says
That’s a very valid point you’re exposing, Infidel.
Northern Virginiastan says
O’Connor tore up the photo of John Paul II on SNL. According to Wikipedia, she sang Bob Marley’s “War” as a protest against sexual abuse of children in the Catholic Church.
Battle says
Must be great peace in knowing her new god Allah approves her “alleged” stealing as stealing from infidels?
elee says
Loony broad. Who cares about her opinions on, well, anything? So if she goes to Morocco and becomes some jihadis third or fourth wife, disappears into a walking tent, hides her face and her voice, and stays that way, well know she means this lunacy. Either way, who cares?
John says
The only thing tampered with is the coping of parts of the Bible to put in the quran. islam is nothing more than Satanic FILTH.
mortimer says
Scholars have discovered the Islamic text has been CONSTANTLY edited since it emerged. The earliest manuscripts of the Koran have ALL GOT EDITS, ERASURES, OVER-TAPINGS and/or INSERTIONS in them, showing a constant HUMAN INTERVENTION in the text of the Koran. No one knows what the original text of the Koran was, because all early copies were either burned or they disappeared.
Humans have been tampering with the Koran and re-writing the supposed ‘eternal words’ of Allah … the evidence is in practically all Koranic manuscripts.
The more than 30 Koran versions (in Arabic) show that Allah didn’t preserve his eternal words … this issue cannot be decided, because there is no original text extant.
This proves that the Koran is false … it makes a claim that is demonstrably false about its own preservation.
Keys says
Many muslims (perhaps not the Shia) believe the Koran, the perfect, immutable word of Allah, existed materially and eternally in Arabic in “heaven”.
“Muslims believe the Quran to be a flawless record of the angel Gabriel’s revelations to Muhammad from 610 until his death in 632 AD. It is also believed to be a perfect copy of a heavenly Quran that has existed eternally.”
— http://www.religionfacts.com/quran
mortimer says
Yes, Keys, and if the Koran is ‘eternal’ in paradise, then it is divine, and if it is divine then Allah has a ‘partner’ and if Allah has a ‘partner’, then Islam is false.
Eduardo says
Do you think the judeo-christian bible has not been edited thru time? ?
mortimer says
Eduardo, you completely miss the point: The eternal PRESERVATION of the Koran. The Koran claims that no one can change Allah’s words and that every word in the Koran is the literal, precise words of Allah. In contrast, the Bible was admittedly written by about 40 humans. The Bible makes no claim of inerrancy or preservation, but the Koran does.
To match the claim that ‘no one can change Allah’s words’, the Koran must show no changes from the earliest MS appearances of the text, whereas, In fact, we see more than 30 different Arabic versions of the Koran and there are, furthermore, uncounted changes seen from the earliest Koran manuscripts through the medieval period and until 1924 (!) when those variant-filled texts are compared with the CAIRO TEXT favored by the Muslim establishment since 1924!!!
The Cairo text is different from all the earliest texts.
Therefore, Allah’s ‘eternal’ words have certainly been changed and the claim in the Koran that no one can change Allah’s words is a FALSE CLAIM. If the Koran is false, then Muslims have a false, fabricated, man-made book, rather than a divinely-dictated book.
The Koran’s credibility is demolished if the text was changed.
gravenimage says
Good post, Mortimer.
Battle says
She was not born from an Islam Moslem father.
mortimer says
Mohammed was from a father who worshipped female idols and a mother who was a spiritualist medium who spoke to spirits and gave ‘messages’ from the beyond. Mohammed sacrificed to a female idol until his ‘voices’ began speaking at around the age of 40.
Mohammed was not born a Muslim, nor his parents. Therefore the argument that everyone is born Muslim, fails when the life of Mohammed is examined.
mortimer says
Someone who knows O’Connor well should ask:
“When exactly (what year) were the Hebrew and Christian scriptures tampered with? Why does the Koran support the inspiration, preservation and authority of the OT and NT???”
Here’s video that explains why these questions create an unanswerable DILEMMA for Muslims.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNAS0aaViM4
FYI says
Logic and islam:separated at birth…
If the Bible is TRUE{=the Word of God} …that implies islam is FALSE{as islam contradicts the Biblical Scriptures}
OR
If the Bible is FALSE{=not the Word of God}…that implies islam is FALSE{as islam affirms the Biblical Scriptures}
If islam is FALSE{in both cases}THEN the koran is FALSE.
If muhammed{who we know to be a FALSE prophet anyway} claims he received the koran{which is FALSE}then that confirms that the “messenger of allah” is FALSE
…And the shahada also has to be FALSE
islam: a house of cards built on sand in an earthquake subduction zone
gravenimage says
FYI, Muslims believe that the Bible is true–the fantasy Torah and Gospels, which before they were “tampered with” were in exact accordance with the Qur’an. Of course, Muslims have never been able to find any such texts.
mortimer says
The point of the above is that MOHAMMED HELD THE TORAH IN HIS HANDS circa 630AD and said, ‘I believe in you and Him who revealed you.’
Mohammed endorsed the INSPIRATION and PRESERVATION of the Torah of his day … that text is the same. (The ‘Missing Arabian Torah’ theory is the last ditch effort of Muslim apologists to escape from the GREAT ISLAMIC TORAH DILEMMA which proves Islam is false.)
gravenimage says
David Wood is excellent.
FYI says
Yes.
His “who killed muhammed? ” at his YT site acts17 apologetics is a must see…and quite hilarious.
The Ex-muslim ,Apostate Prophet ,is pretty good too as well as the Arabian Prophet{aka Christian Prince}
All 3 do great work.
mortimer says
Mohammed and Allah affirmed the Torah and Gospel that existed in the time of Mohammed’s ministry (circa 620-630).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KjoeFkK7xA
Keys says
LOL at David Wood’s last remark on this video.
“Welcome to Islam, the religion where you submit to God and your prophet by believing the opposite of what they say.”
Remember, Allah is not the “greatest of deceivers” for nothing !
Keys says
If only Allah was not the best of deceivers. Now one can never know when Allah is being deceitful, so one can not trust Allah.
CogitoErgoSum says
This idea of everyone being born a Muslim brings to mind the words of Jesus. Unless a person is born (again) of water and the Spirit, he (she) cannot enter into the kingdom of God. We are all born into the darkness; some choose to remain in the darkness but those who desire the truth are drawn to the Light. That which is born of flesh is flesh and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Yes, I think O’Connor is right — but only partly so. She should read again and think some more upon the full testimony of Christ in John 3:1-21.
owensgate says
Well, in one sense, she is correct – we are all born “sinners”, and as islam is a particularly blasphemous sin (the denial that Jesus is the Creator God of the Universe who became a physical human to die for our sins that we might be forgiven of them), the death penalty is required. She obviously understands this, which makes her SIN more deadly for her.
mortimer says
Mohammed was born a PAGAN, his father dedicated him to a female idol. His mother was spiritualist medium who did incantations to bring spirits into the baby Mohammed. Mohammed had supernatural demonic perturbances throughout his life and he died in the throes of sever mental illness and/or spirit possession, supposedly from a CURSE placed on him by a sorcerer.
In what way did Mohammed show that he was BORN A MUSLIM ???
Fred says
A has-been trying to become relevant.
James Lincoln says
So let me see if I have the straight:
So Sinead O’Connor states that she has studied all the different religions and after that, she decides that Islam is the one for her.
The point is that she had a choice, after all she lives in a Western country. And she picks a satanic religious ideology.
She likely has very little real knowledge of Islam. She picks the parts that she likes and embraces the Islamic hijab – when she feels like wearing it – likely to make a statement.
Some very impressionable leftist females, unbelievably, look to her as some kind of role model.
And some will take her lead.
mortimer says
Sinead will have to give up music almost entirely. Musical instruments are totally ‘HARAM’. The Koran has no references to music. However, Sunnite Islam says the
(Koran 31. 6) “There are some who purchase futile discourse to deviate from Allah’s path without knowledge and they mock it [the path of Allah, Islam]. There shall be a humiliating punishment for these people”
ISLAMIC AUTHORITIES: Sayyiduna ‘Abdullah Ibn Mas’ud, Sayyiduna Abdullah Ibn ‘Abbas, Sayyiduna Jabir (radiyallahu ‘anhum), ‘Ikrimah, Sa’id ibn Jubayr, Mujahid, Makhul and Hasan Al Basri (rahimahumullah) were all of the view that ‘futile discourse’ refers to music/ musical instruments. Sayyiduna ‘Abdullah ibn Mas’ud (radiyallahu ‘anhu) took an oath that this verse is referring to music.
(Refer: Tafsir Ibn Abi Hatim, Tafsirul Baghawi -Ma’alimut Tanzil- and Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Surah Luqman, Verse: 6. Also see Al Adabul Mufrad of Imam Bukhari, Hadith: 1265 and As Sunanul Kubra of Imam Bayhaqi, vol. 10 pg. 221)
Islam demonizes music.
mortimer says
If Sinead actually examined Islam before she was duped into it, she obviously did not study deeply. Did Sinead realize before joining Islam that she must GIVE UP MUSIC ???
I don’t think she studied that. She will have to study it now. Her love of singing will force her to leave Islam within two years.
Cee Elle says
Inbreeding is creating a catastrophic mentally challenged legacy in Islam, a study in Britian alone shows Pakistani Muslims are up to 80 inbred, 1st cousin marriage is allowed and encouraged. The study is found online.
seabird says
Better stay away from her concerts.
These new converts are some of the most dangerous and she looks thisclose to strapping on a vest and going full-Jihad.
Angemon says
While the headline seems to portray it as Sinead saying something ridiculous, she’s got the theology right…
gravenimage says
Yep.
FYI says
She claims she was studying theology all her life..
And yet she cannot figure out.. the difference between the Actual Judeo-Christian God and al lah the pagan Arab god of islam{“The BEST of deceivers” k3:54}??
Or how allah missed the Two Chief Commandments{#1 violated by the immoral teachings of the koran and #2 by the Doctrine of Hate,al walaa wal baraa:there is no “Love thy neighbor” in islam as infidels cannot be equal to the superior muslims k3;110}.
Or how the errors in the koran{scientific,logical,theological} show it to be a plagarized falsehood along with its false prophet muhammed.
If she was born a muslima then she must have what muhammed said muslim women have:”a deficiency of the mind”{the reason given as to WHY the koran insists a woman’s testimony is HALF that of a man k2;282}
Truly this is the most idiotic thing:a supposedly feminist western woman converting to a misogynistic racist religion which teaches women are NOT equal to men and then deluding herself into thinking she made an intelligent choice.
Beverly says
I wonder if she has a minder, because she should not be allowed out without one. Oh, never mind. Now that’s she converted to Islam no problem.
gravenimage says
Sinead O’Connor says that she was “born Muslim in the first place”
This is being presented as yet another crazy thing Sinead O’Connor has said, but it really isn’t. It is a supremacist sentiment that is undeniably ugly, but it is standard Islamic doctrine.
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Yes–this is what Muslims believe.
Also note that “Kafir” means not just “non-Muslim”, but *concealer* of the truth. Muslims believe that all Infidels somehow know all about Islam, and have deliberately rejected it–they think this even of people who have never heard of Islam before. This belief is the main reason that Muslims do not consider any Infidels to be innocent–and why they can then be persecuted, robbed, raped, enslaved, and slaughtered.
the hermit says
Has this hadith ever been verified..apparently most of them haven’t…
mortimer says
Hermit: ALL hadiths are HEAR-SAY EVIDENCE (100% of them) … so-and-so heard from so-and-so who heard from so-and-so, etc.
HOW DO YOU VERIFY HEAR-SAY EVIDENCE? Almost impossible to do so!
The ARCHEOLOGY of early Islam, proves that much in the hadiths are FALSE and FABRICATED LONG AFTER Mohammed. There are no references to Islam or Muslim and practically nothing about a ‘prophet’ or ‘Mohammed’ in early writings. Islam and Mohammed are not found until 60 years after the death of Mohammed, suggesting that much of the story of Islam’s birth was made up to help the caliphs to rule from divine authority.
Tom W Harris says
She wasn’t born, she was chitted.
mortimer says
Tom, she had an unhappy childhood due to a mentally ill mother who mostly lay in bed all day depressed and angry. Sinead is also very ill. Those who interview her should encourage her to continue therapy.
goddess says
We’re to be surprised she’s bat-shit? There’s a real piece of news.
Paddy O'Connor says
Ireland has very heavy focus on from the Muslim Brotherhood.Sinead is a big prize for them and she is getting very professional propaganda advice from Yusuf al Qawadari who operates his European Council for Fatwa out of Clonskeagh Mosque in Dublin.
It’s not just ‘poor’Sinead!They know how to use use anyone!
Richard says
God help us when she gets to chapter 9.
Yuchu says
So many of you have something to say, which amounts to nothing but ignorance and hate, I doubt anyone of you has read the Qur’an if your willing to be honest with yourself, The only knowledge you possess is what you have been told by the likes of other ignorant people,
Wake up ! From this hate and ignorance if you are to be truly guided and be honest to your selves,
Every point that has been made I know to be completely opposite to the doctrine of Islam,
It’s about time you discover the truth yourselves
Tom W Harris says
Y’all heard the man Rush right out and gitcher KKKoran right NOW, haw haw haw.
Ecosse1314 says
Many many people on this site have read and studied the qurant. If you take out the hate passages and the fear of the female sex then there ain’t much left.
Kenny Mcc says
Maybe You should wake up and stop believing in ridiculous fairy tales! Magic is not real!!
gravenimage says
Yuchu wrote:
So many of you have something to say, which amounts to nothing but ignorance and hate, I doubt anyone of you has read the Qur’an if your willing to be honest with yourself, The only knowledge you possess is what you have been told by the likes of other ignorant people,
Wake up ! From this hate and ignorance if you are to be truly guided and be honest to your selves,
Every point that has been made I know to be completely opposite to the doctrine of Islam,
It’s about time you discover the truth yourselves
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I have, as I noted, read the ugly Qur’an several times, and so have many others here.
Yuchu was replying to Richard, who wrote:
God help us when she gets to chapter 9.
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Notice that Yuchu does not address this at all. Chapter 9, the penultimate “revealed” Sura of the Qur’an, contains such horrors as Qur’an 9:5, which reads:
“And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush…”
How is opposing this savagery “hate”?
There are many more ugly passages in Sura 9, and in the whole of the Qur’an and other texts of Islam.
Yuchu says
Reply to graven image,
Like I said w,no offense but your knowledge is limited,
What you have described was when a peace treaty was broken, and Muslims w were attacked,
Only then was the commandment was given to defend and attack the oppressors, and rules of engagement were also given.
A little knowledge can be dangerous.
As to convert people to Islam? That’s not our job.
Ours is only to pass on the message of Islam.
It is Allah (God) who who inspires and guides to the truth if you are sincere
All the best
To you and family
Yuchu
Angemon says
“What you have described was when a peace treaty was broken, and Muslims w were attacked,”
You are half right – a peace treaty (the treaty of Hudaybiyyah) was, indeed, broken… by the muslims. The treaty said that if a Quraishite went to muhammad without the permission of their guardian, they should be returned to the Quraish. Of course, as everywhere else in muhammad’s career as a warlord, he agreed to something when it was beneficial for him to do so and broke his word when it was beneficial for him to do so. A Quraish woman went to muhammad and her brothers demanded her to be returned, as it was stipulated in the treaty. Muhammad conveniently had a “revelation” saying he was not to return the woman (60:10). That was a violation of the agreement with the Quraish. Now, this is the part where muslim apologists go “yeah, but the treaty was already broken because a tribe allied of the Quraish, Banu Bakr, attacked a tribe of muslims, Banu Khuza’a”, which is an even worse excuse because the treaty was with the Quraish, not with other tribes, Quraish allies or not.
“Only then was the commandment was given to defend and attack the oppressors, and rules of engagement were also given.”
Nah – the Quraish weren’t happy when the muslims broke the treaty and, in return, muhammad had another convenient “revelation” saying there weould be war with the Quraish after 4 months – 9:5. Muhammad saw he was in a better position so he started a war and no further treaties were made. What happens when discussions fall apart? You start anew – war is the last resort. What did muhammad do? He signed a treaty, broke it and started a war – a war that could have been avoided and whose whole responsibility kies with muhammad. “Attack the oppressors”? Far from it – in fact, it’s the other way around.
Ecosse1314 says
Yet the koran is meant to be for all time not for a few days in the 7th century.
A says
It he who sent his messanger with guidance and the religion of truth, to manifest it over all religions, although those who associate others with allah dislike it.
gravenimage says
What A means is that Muslims want to force those of other religions–all non-Muslims, really–to submit to this vicious creed. Truth has nothing to do with is.
Lorensacho says
There is a Yiddish word to describe Sinead. Its meshugener (crazy person).
mortimer says
To Lorensacho: In the Middle Ages, it was common for Jewish writers to describe Muhammad as ha-meshuggah (“the madman”), a term of contempt frequently used in the Bible for those who believe themselves to be prophets.
Al says
She;s been a nutter all along, it’s just harder for her to hide it these days.
E T says
I have read the Quran, Fifty Shades Of Grey, Nine and a Half Weeks and the Oscar goes to The Qur’an.
gravenimage says
There are a lot of Muslim apologists who have shown up here–notice that not one of them is able to cite anything decent about Islam, nor do any of them say that they will not try to murder Sinead O’Connor if she gets tired of this appalling creed at some point.
mortimer says
Yep, GI, I bet they are fans of Sinead. This seems to be the first foray of these ‘young’ Muslims into controversy. They seem to know almost nothing about Islam, but they have the keen enthusiasm of a sports fan supporting ‘his’ or ‘her’ team. They don’t seem to realize that if they stay reading JihadWatch daily, they will likely become disillusioned with Islam and lose their faith.
Islam doesn’t practice the Golden Rule, so there is practically no positive news about Islam, only intolerance and brutality. Their naïve, gullible minds must been sequestered away from any challenge to Islam. They’ve never heard anything bad about Islam, so they lept to the conclusion that there’s nothing shameful about being a Muslim. Who knows? Perhaps, these ‘young’ people haven’t learned about 9-11 … they may be that young and uninformed. I hope these young Muslim supporters of Sinead will look at the website about Islamic terrorism …
THERELIGIONOFPEACE.COM
LATEST JIHAD NEWS IS HERE: https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30
mortimer says
To GI : I remember the chilling and deeply shocking remark from convert-to-Islam Cat Stevens who giggled that he would help jihadists to find Salman Rushdie so they might execute him for apostasy. These ‘young’ Muslims would be horrified if Sinead were to leave Islam and denounce it, but I believe with her track record, that is exactly what she will do within two years from now. That’s how long it takes for new Muslim converts to research Islam and experience the intolerance and cruelty within the Muslim community under the cover of the veil. These ‘young’ Muslims visiting JW know what I mean.
gravenimage says
Oh, I think this Muslim apologists know plenty about Islam–they just hope that we don’t.
Yes, that from Cat Stevens–now Yusuf Islam–was just horrifying.
And yes–most converts to Islam do leave within a pretty short period of time–just hope they stay safe.
Marigold says
I wonder what the Irish think of Sinead?Apparently a considerable number of the Irish have given up going to Mass and support abortion, gay marriage and other left wing causes.Probably some of them will end up converting to Islam and then it will only be a matter of time before they find out that Islam is even worse than the form of traditional Irish Catholicism many older Irish grew up with.Unfortunately it was tainted with the heresy of Jansenism which put many Irish off their Catholic faith because of it unnatural rigidness.
Yuchu says
To grave image,
In your chosen language it …. No compulsion in religion means you cannot be forced to accept Islam, you have choice as to accept it or not to,
But the difference is heaven is only for those who believe in the 1 true God Allah not for those who believe in it ascribe partners to God.
Hope this is simplistic enough