29-year-old Joy Muhammad “is part of a group that wants to put on a UK festival to celebrate LGBT Muslim culture.”
Joy Muhammad declares that LGBT Muslims “all have different identities,” which is true. It is also true that it is Western culture that allows the full expression of what one deems to be his or her identity — from LGBTQ to zee, zir, two-spirited and much more — without threat. It is peculiar how Joy Muhammad defends her religion as being “tolerant” of her lesbian identity. Joy Muhammad complains: “There’s Islamophobia that we sometimes have to deal with within Pride and within LGBTQI communities,” because the LGBT Muslims are sometimes told to “choose between their sexuality and their religion.”
Joy Muhammad goes on to explain that she personally “doesn’t find any conflict between the two.” Really? She is perfectly free to proclaim herself as gay and Muslim, but Islamic teaching is clear that homosexual activity is worthy of death. There is plenty of “conflict between the two” identities.
There is a pattern among many Muslims who emigrate to the West:
- The primary identity of the individual is Islamic, such that he or she defends Islam no matter what, and attempts to shield it from criticism and free discussion that may be perceived as “offensive.”
- The secondary identity is whatever personal views he or she holds about his or herself and Islam. In Joy Muhammad’s case, she is gay and would like to believe in an Islam that accepts her identity, and so she proceeds to tell Westerners that Islam is diverse and that “we don’t just have one identity.” She skirts the fundamental issue. Peaceful Muslims are not the problem; Islam would not be any more an object of controversy than Hinduism or Buddhism if not for its abusive nature and long history. Normative Islam has ruled with intolerance for 1400 years, with the global jihad raging today. Islamic teachi9ngs continue to inspire the worst abuses, murder and attacks in which religious texts are invoked. No other religion has this issue.
Even the Washington Post published a piece about ten countries where homosexuality may be punished by death. The reason why is in these Islamic texts:
The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, “Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.” — Abu Dawud 4462
“If a man who is not married is seized committing sodomy, he will be stoned to death.” — Abu Dawud 4448
“The Prophet cursed effeminate men (those men who are in the similitude (assume the manners of women) and those women who assume the manners of men, and he said, ‘Turn them out of your houses .’ The Prophet turned out such-and-such man, and ‘Umar turned out such-and-such woman.” — Sahih Bukhari 72:774
[Muhammad said] “Whoever is found conducting himself in the manner of the people of Lot, kill the doer and the receiver.” — al-Tirmidhi, Sunan 1:152
“May Allah curse him who does what Lot’s people did.” This is also repeated in three other places. — Reliance of the Traveller, p17.2
“if a man comes upon a man, then they are both adulterers,” “If a woman comes upon a woman, they are both Adulteresses,” “When a man mounts another man, the throne of God shakes,” and “Kill the one that is doing it and also kill the one that it is being done to.” — Abu Dawud 4462 and al-Tirmidhi 1456
Indeed, you approach men with desire, instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people. But the answer of his people was only that they said, “Evict them from your city! Indeed, they are men who keep themselves pure.” So We saved him and his family, except for his wife; she was of those who remained [with the evildoers]. And We rained upon them a rain [of stones]. Then see how was the end of the criminals. — Quran 7:80-84
Joy Muhammad and other Muslims who choose to be peaceful are not the problem, but they add to the problem by confusing the discourse in telling Westerners all about their own version of Islam, presenting it as the face of Islam and disowning the reality of normative Islam and the contents of their religious texts. Many also quote the positive earlier texts of the Quran, which were abrogated by the later texts according to normative Islamic teaching. Those who wish to see Islam changed are to be applauded, but deceiving others about what Islam is (and has been over 1400 years of bloody conquest and abuse) is not a good starting point.
Perhaps Joy Muhammad has forgotten or is unaware that over 11 million Muslims have been murdered by their coreligionists since 1948 for not being Muslim enough. Normative Islam — which a disturbing percentage of Muslims follow globally — calls for the death penalty for gays, the subjugation of infidels (or face death if refusing to be subjugated), death for apostasy, and death or barbaric punishments for a range of “sins.” It also sanctions wife beating, child marriage, female genital mutilation (FGM) (Reliance of the Traveller e4.3) and complete coverings of women (Quran 24:31, 33:59). The freedom of speech is nonexistent; speech that is deemed offensive to Islam or to Muslims in general, it is considered blasphemous and worthy of death.
What normative Islam is is self explanatory by observation of global events, and it can be easily be verified in the writings and speeches of the world’s foremost Islamic scholars and authorities of Saudi Arabia, Iran (which is governed by the highest Shia authority, the Ayatollah Khamenei), Turkey, Egypt, Al Azhar University in Cairo — Sunni Islam’s most prestigious university — and the Fiqh Council.
Joy Muhammad et al need to admit the truth about Islam to themselves and praise Western countries for their freedom to practice Islam however they wish. But Islam is not compatible with being gay, as she implies. Joy Muhammad also needs to appreciate the right of Westerners to criticize Islam as they see fit in defense of millions of victims of jihadists and Islamic supremacists everywhere.
“LGBT Muslim festival: ‘We don’t just have one identity,'” by Cherry Wilson and Michael Baggs, BBC News, September 23, 2019:
“I think we’ve earned a party,” says 29-year-old Joy Muhammad.
She is part of a group that wants to put on a UK festival to celebrate LGBT Muslim culture.
“We’ve had Bi Pride, we’ve had Black Pride, we have Trans Pride,” she tells Radio 1 Newsbeat.
“So now we’ve got Muslim LGBTQI Pride.
“It’ll celebrate the diversity within the BAME community and the LGBT community to show we’re not all the same, we don’t have just one identity.
“We all have different identities.”
Joy is a member of Imaan – a group of LGBT Muslims who are hoping to crowdfund £5,000 to put on the festival.
People involved with Black Pride and Trans Pride have previously told Newsbeat that their events are important because of abuse they’ve experienced within the LGBT community.
Joy says this happens to LGBT Muslims as well.
“There’s Islamophobia that we sometimes have to deal with within Pride and within LGBTQI communities,” she says.
“Not just at Pride, but within the queer community.”
But another issue some people in the LGBT Muslim community face is being told to “choose” between their sexuality and their religion.
“Not only with the Muslim community, but also with other religious communities, we’re being told to choose between our religion and our queer identity,” she says.
Joy says that she, personally, doesn’t find any conflict between the two.
But she feels the Muslim community’s attitude to any sexuality can make things difficult for some LGBT people.
“I wouldn’t openly discuss certain topics within the Muslim community – and sexuality is one of them,” she says…..
Jaladhi says
The usual Muslim liar!! Surprise, surprise!!
mortimer says
“NO CONFLICT” ??? Huh? Let us examine Sharia law to find the facts:
What Sharia law says about punishing homosexuals: flogging, stoning, thrown from high places, wall pushed over to crush, burning to death.
Homosexuality is not only a sin in Islam, but a capital crime under Sharia law.
– Islam Question and Answer says: “The CRIME of homosexuality is one of the greatest of crimes, the worst of sins and the most abhorrent of deeds, and Allaah punished those who did it in a way that He did not punish other nations. It is indicative of violation of the fitrah, total misguidance, weak intellect and lack of religious commitment, and it is a sign of doom and deprivation of the mercy of Allaah.”
So, in Muslim countries a gay person only has a ‘conflict’ with Sharia law if they can prove homosexual ACTIONS occurred. Otherwise, if they don’t act on their feelings there is ‘no conflict’.
Got it. Did gay people get this memo yet?
Kay says
They should put it on in Saudi Arabia.
JerryDV says
Or Iran.
Matt Mounsey says
I would happily donate the money for them to put this party on in a conservative Muslim country.
Jap says
Definitely, lets see these idiots go to a progressive country like Pakistan and swap spit with they’re girlfriends or boyfriends in public, and then wait for the wake up call to start.
IE, how to get stoned without smoking weed!
James Lincoln says
I suppose that 29-year-old Joy Muhammad could STILL put on a UK festival to celebrate LGBT Muslim culture – in most parts of the UK.
But certainly not in the “no-go” zones.
And certainly not ANYWHERE in the UK – once the Muslim percent population reaches critical mass…
mortimer says
Yes … no-go zones = haraam !
FYI says
Did she miss..those islamic punishments for gay people?
HADD for men
TAZIR for women
Joy muhammed should go live in indonesia or Saudi Arabia where Joy…. will become Despair.
There is certainly no Joy in muhammad …but there is MAD
JerryDV says
She’s as delusional as Democrats in the United States.
Walter Sieruk says
The title of the above article ,in part , reads the ” LGBT groups, claims “no conflict” between Islam and homosexuality.
That a very strange claim for them to make, maybe the mullahs and ayatollahs as well a those Iranian government officials who are under the influence of those Muslim clerics didn’t get that message of those LGBT organizations that claim “no conflict” between Islam and homosexuality ”
Maybe those LGBT groups need to write those ayatollahs and mullahs of a a letter informing them that there is real “conflict” at all.
Nevertheless, the reality of the hard,harsh truth has exposed in a book by a former Muslims .Which reveals that “Estimates by human rights activists and opponents of the Islamic Republic of Iran of the number of gay men and lesbian s executed for crimes related to their sexual orientation since 1979 vary between several hundred to as many as six thousand. According to the Boroumand Foundation, records exist for at least 107 executions with charges related to homosexuality between 1979 and 1990 . Iran is one of the eight countries in the world when homosexual acts are punishable by death; all are Islamic. According to a 2013 report from the IHRDC:” [1]
The people who are the members of those LGBT groups do ,very ,much, need a “Reality check.”
[1] THE ISLAM IN ISLAMIC TERRORISM by Ibn Warraq, page 340.
mortimer says
Joy Muhammad has different identities … so she admits that Muslims who are gay are forced to have a split personality and that they live in constant terror.
Walter Sieruk says
As for the remembers of those LGBT who believe that there is” no conflict” between them and the followers of Islam many be sincere yet by making such a bogus claim the have shown themselves to be very naive and totally uninformed
So Much so that such such denial of reality is a reminder of the “joke”that isn’t meant to be funny but to make a point..
The “joke” is about the two different kinds of negative reactions to a homosexual men and a Baptist fundamentalists Christian and a Salafist fundamentalist Muslim, especially a Muslim member of ISIS
On meeting a “gay” man a fundamentalist Baptist Christian male will say many ignorant things to the homosexual man and end up giving that”gay” man a headache.
By contrast , on meeting a “gay” man a Fundamentalist Salafist Muslim male will not speak to him but cut off that homosexual ‘s man head.
Rarely says
She is caught between a rock and a hard place and is trying to make the best of it. I hope for her sake she succeeds.
How the British muslim community reacts to this should prove interesting.
gravenimage says
She is slandering Infidel LGBT for being “Islamophobic”. This is what all pious Muslims do to those who Kuffar who give them sanctuary. I don’t particularly want to see her succeed in this.
Angemon says
How islamophobic of them, not wanting to be beheaded, or hanged from construction cranes, or thrown off rooftops, or stoned to death, or having a wall dropped on them, or…
gravenimage says
Spot on, Angemon.
kv says
i think he should first put on the festival in a muslim country such as pakistan or iran or saudi arabia and then put it on in britain. i believe it would add a level of diversity to it. celebrate diversity !
David Ashton says
She should go to Mecca and try it there, and Ms Thunberg can go to Beijing and do the same with her children’s crusade against carbon emissions.
gravenimage says
+1
Giacomo Latta says
Why don’t you go back to Pakistan to do your preaching, Joy? The people there are always looking forward to be enlightened.