“Hate speech” is an impossibly undefinable and elastic subject, as can be seen here. How is this “hate speech” in any conceivable fashion? If an adherent of Islam put it up, he or she would strenuously object to that label, and maintain that Islam’s treatment of women was divinely-ordained justice. So if this is “hate speech,” then Islam is hateful, which I’m sure not a soul in Winchester, Massachusetts meant to imply. Or are they afraid that the signs were put up by “Islamophobes”? If so, it’s an odd sort of “hate speech” to affirm what one opposes.
Anyway, is Islam right about women?
The Qur’an teaches that men are superior to women and should beat those from whom they “fear disobedience”: “Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them.” — Qur’an 4:34
The Qur’an likens a woman to a field (tilth), to be used by a man as he wills: “Your women are a tilth for you, so go to your tilth as you will” — Qur’an 2:223
It declares that a woman’s testimony is worth half that of a man: “Get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as you choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her” — Qur’an 2:282
It allows men to marry up to four wives, and have sex with slave girls also: “If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if you fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly, then only one, or one that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice” — Qur’an 4:3
It rules that a son’s inheritance should be twice the size of that of a daughter: “Allah directs you as regards your children’s inheritance: to the male, a portion equal to that of two females” — Qur’an 4:11
It allows for marriage to pre-pubescent girls, stipulating that Islamic divorce procedures “shall apply to those who have not yet menstruated” — Qur’an 65:4
Also, a Muslim wife may not refuse sex. A hadith depicts Muhammad saying: “If a husband calls his wife to his bed [i.e. to have sexual relation] and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning” (Bukhari 4.54.460).
And: “By him in Whose Hand lies my life, a woman can not carry out the right of her Lord, till she carries out the right of her husband. And if he asks her to surrender herself [to him for sexual intercourse] she should not refuse him even if she is on a camel’s saddle” (Ibn Majah 1854).
Islamic law stipulates: “The husband may forbid his wife to leave the home…because of the hadith related by Bayhaqi that the Prophet…said, ‘It is not permissible for a woman who believes in Allah and the Last Day to allow someone into her husband’s house if he is opposed, or to go out of it if he is averse” (Reliance of the Traveller m10.4).
“‘Islam is RIGHT About Women’ flyers spark concern in Winchester,” WHDH, September 19, 2019:
WINCHESTER, MASS. (WHDH) – Residents in Winchester are debating free speech versus hate speech after flyers reading “Islam is RIGHT About Women” were found plastered around town.
Anita Davison told 7NEWS that she was walking her child to school on Wednesday when saw the concerning flyers struck to street signs near the town’s center.
Davison says she was alarmed by the sight of the flyers and immediately ripped them down.
“Political climate at the moment, and all the things happening around the world, it just puts a little fear in you,” she said.
After Davison brought two flyers to the Winchester Police Department, officers went out and found eight more, including one that was posted outside of an elementary school.
Some residents say they think the signs refer to strict laws applied to women….
“Most people have been supportive of the decision to take them down,” she said. “Others have said that I’m not for free speech but I really am. I just feel like that was on the side of hate speech.”
No one has come forward to explain the meaning behind the message.
Wellington says
If Islam is right about women, then there is no hope for women EVER to be equal to men (even in the risible Islamic afterlife).
Take it from here, that is if you are able because you have not been infected by a very unholy trinity—general ignorance, political correctness and multiculturalism.
gravenimage says
Wellington, as you know, in Islam most of the women are supposed to be in hell, because they were not grateful enough to their wife-beating husbands.
The Islamic paradise is really set up for those who think like Muhammed: perpetual virgins and pearly boys and eternal erections. Not much there for the ladies, save not being hung up by their hair in the lake of fire…
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/Muhammad_and_“shameless_women”_in_Hell.jpg/220px-Muhammad_and_”shameless_women”_in_Hell.jpg
william carr says
Moham claimed he looked into hell and most of the those there were women. That is how he
thought about women.
abad says
+1
And this is where Islam could use a few clues about Christianity and the important role women play.
Islam does not recognize Christ’s divinity, how exactly will it recognize that it was women, one being Mary Magdalene, who were the first witnesses to the Lord’s empty tomb? And to whom He first appeared to once He conquered death? (John Ch 20) Not to mention, in order to save the sins of the human race, He had to be born of a woman – and only a woman, Mary (Galatians 4:4-5).
Jesus treated his female disciples with far more respect than Mo did with his multiple wives.
mortimer says
Response to Leslie who said: islam is right about gays; islam is right about Blacks.
This should be a whole series:
-Islam is right about Jews.
-Islam is right about kafirs.
-Islam is right about sex slaves.
-Islam is right about Hindus.
-Islam is right about Jesus.
-Islam is right about Christians.
-Islam is right about Sharia law.
-Islam is right about child marriage.
-Islam is right about FGM.
-Islam is right about Dhimmitude.
-Islam is right about jizzya.
-etc.
Keys says
Islam Is Right For Dummies
Chapter One – Islam Is Right About Women
Chapter Two ………
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James Lincoln says
What would have been the reaction if the poster had said:
Islam is WRONG about women.
???
Wellington says
Indeed, James, and therein in microcosm lies the rub.
gravenimage says
Good question, James.
The unexpected voice says
It will be called Islamophobic and “racist”.
Leslie Fish says
Heheheheh! This puts the PC crowd in a real bind: side with the Muslims or side with the feminists. Oh, the fun of watching Leftists fight each other!
mortimer says
Exactly, James. It’s called COGNITIVE DISSONANCE … attention! Libtard heads may explode when you ask James’s question!
mortimer says
Feminists will ALL plead the Fifth to James’s question.
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
For more discussion of this case see the comments following
http://www.unz.com/isteve/residents-disgusted-by-offensive-flyer/#new_comments
By one theory, this posting of flyers in public places is a cog-dis operation to cause cognitive dissonance among those who are both Islam-friendly and pro-feminism. The ambiguity of “Islam Is Right About Women” is an effective make-you-think technique for the general public. If anyone objects, it can be explained that Islam is right to honor, cherish, and love women.
gravenimage says
Thanks for that link, Mark. My favorite comment is this one:
Commenter James N. Kennett writes:
If you say
Islam
Is
RIGHT
About
Women
then you are guilty of hate speech. On the other hand, if you say
Islam
Is
WRONG
About
Women
then you are guilty of hate speech.
Go figure.
…
I was going to note that myself. Both are probably considered “Islamophobic”, as well.
gravenimage says
Winchester, Massachusetts: “Islam Is RIGHT About Women” flyers plastered all over town
………………….
If I believed this then I really would have half the intelligence of a man…
Angemon says
XD
End PC says
“Others have said that I’m not for free speech but I really am. I just feel like that was on the side of hate speech.”
Anti-free speech people always start out saying they “really” are for free speech. They then just call stuff they don’t like “hate speech,” which BTW is not necessarily illegal – nor should it be.
Leave the absurd posts alone, it’s a good way to get a conversation on the subject, to get people to speak out against it.
gravenimage says
So true, It is unclear how this would be a police matter.
Paul J says
It would only be a police matter if the signs said anything derogatory about islam, especially if posted in the UK. There would be a “bear in the air” looking for the perps it would be that serious.
gravenimage says
Grimly true. I meant it should only be a police matter if these flyers were threatening violence.
Emilie Green says
“‘Islam is RIGHT About Women’ flyers spark concern in Winchester”
What should spark concern is Islam itself. I’d bet the farm that a super majority, >95%, of Winchester residents don’t know squat about Islam and its cruel practices and traditions, one of which is that women are under total control of men. A fact which can be easily verified, even by residents of Winchester, by reading Surah 4:34.
Norger says
Winchester is an extremely affluent, liberal town. Fair to say that Robert Spencer’s books aren’t available in hardcover at the town library.
DHazard says
Too bad the conversation isn’t moving in the direction of investigating the actual facts about Islam and women. That feels scary to lefties, “Let’s make it about who and why. That feels better. No confusing verses or obviously fake quotes of Muhammad that somebody mistook for being sahih.” Sow confusion with false equivalences, wait for the anger to die down then wait for people to forget. Avoid facing the problem and let it grow. Hand off the (now worse) problem you don’t believe exists to younger people. That is troubling since it appears all these younger wokesters are into black and white thinking. No compromise, no peace.
gravenimage says
DHazard wrote:
Too bad the conversation isn’t moving in the direction of investigating the actual facts about Islam and women.
………………..
So true.
fredoniahead says
Christian Prince made a show about the topic:
gravenimage says
Thanks for that link, fredoniahead.
E T says
Would it be a kind thing to inform the good people old men may marry prepubescent girls? Would it be kind to mention thighing? Would it be kind to tell the good people, men may “hit “ their wives? Would be be kind to tell the good people Muslim may rape non-Muslim women and girls in the name of Allah? When did we cross over to the point where NORMAL people must defend the truth?
The next papers should ask people to read Quar’an 8:12. 8:39
GI. I have know for quite some time you are an Islamophobic woman and I love you for your mind.
gravenimage says
🙂
abad says
Guess that makes me an Islamophobic woman too 🙂
Keys says
If one were to write with a permanent marker “Sura 4:34” on these posters, one would be guilty of DOUBLE HATE SPEECH for hatefully referencing the hate speech of the Koran.
The unexpected voice says
As a Feminist, but not a fake one which support muslim rapists. This is beyond unacceptable given what Qur’an teaches about women.
Joe says
Other than posting on traffic signs, it is probably harmless. To me, it means that a Muslim was dumped. Under sharia, he wouldn’t have been.
BTW, I don’t feel sorry for him.
FYI says
“islam is right about women”?
That women are inferior and unequal to men and have deficient intelligence?
One thing al lah the pagan Arab muslim god,the “prophet” muhammed and the koran agree on is that women are INFERIOR to men and ……stupid.
“Narrrted Abu sa’id al khudr
the prophet said..
‘isn’t the witness of a woman equal to HALF that of a man{k2:282}?’ the women asked.
“Yes,he said.This is because of the DEFICIENCY OF A WOMAN’S MIND”
{Sahih Bukhari # 2658}
So allah,muhammed and the koran teach that women have a DEFICIENCY OF THE MIND which is WHY women are not equal to men in islam..
So is islam/allah/muhammed/the koran RIGHT to insist that women are deficient in intellect?
Discuss with your local virtue-signalling muslims…and get them to explain why the majority of muslimas are sent to hell anyway{Sahih muslim 241}for being TAKFURNA{“ungrateful”}
gravenimage says
I did discuss this with Muslims at “Why Islam”. The spokesmuslim claimed that men and women were equal, “but in different ways” He did eventually affirm that men could beat and “Honor Kill” their wives, and that most of the inhabitants of hell were women. He said that women being ungrateful to their husbands was like being ungrateful to Allah. I asked whether men should be grateful to their wives, and he ‘generously’ said that they could be if they wanted to.
mortimer says
ARE THESE HADITHS ‘RIGHT ABOUT WOMEN’ ???
The hadiths of Mohammed, Islam’s false prophet, that insult and degrade all women:
– I think that women were created for nothing but evil
– Women have ten ‘awrat (vulvas). When she gets married, the husband covers one, and when she dies the grave covers the ten (of her shameful parts)
– A straw mat in the corner of the house is preferable to a barren woman
– Women are toys, so choose (your ‘toys’)
– The woman is a toy, whoever takes her, let him care for her [or do not lose her]
– Had it not been for women, God would have truly, truly been worshipped
– Men perished the day they obeyed the women
– Obedience to a woman’s advice causes regret
– Consult women and act contrary (to it)
– Sneezing, drowsing, yawning in prayer, also menstruation, vomiting and nose-bleeding are from Satan
– When…your affairs are in the hands of your women, the interior of the earth (hell) will be the better for you than its surface
– If a woman offered one of her breasts to be cooked and the other to be roasted, she still will fall short of fulfilling her obligations to her husband. And besides that if she disobeys her husband even for a twinkling of an eye, she would be thrown in the lowest part of Hell, except she repents and turns back
– Mohammed asked some women, “Isn’t the witness of a woman equal to half that of a man?” The women said, “Yes,” He said, “This is because of the deficiency of the woman’s mind.”
– I have not seen any one more deficient in intelligence and religion than you (women)
– I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers are women.
– Bad omen is in the woman, the house and the horse
– After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women
– Don’t wear false hair for Allah sends His curse upon such ladies who lengthen their hair artificially
– Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur’an
– Women, slaves and camels are the same
– Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman
– “Women are like cows, horses, and camels, for all are ridden,” is in fact recorded in Tafsir al-Qurtubi (see vol. 17, p. 172)
– If you relax the woman’s bridle a tiny bit, she will take you and bolt wildly. And if you lower her cheek-piece a hand span, she will pull you an arm’s length … Their deception is awesome and their wickedness is contagious; bad character and feeble mind are their predominant traits
– “[A man’s wife] fears him, while he fears her not, a kind word from him satisfies her, where nothing of hers has importance in his eyes, it is she who must tolerate the presence of concubines, and it is she who worries when he is ill whereas even her death would leave him indifferent
– If a man calls his wife to his bed and she refuses, and he spends the night angry with her, the angels curse her until morning
– Treat women well, for they are [like] domestic animals [awan] with you and do not possess anything for themselves. You have taken them only as a trust from God and you have made the enjoyment of their persons lawful by the word of God, so understand and listen to my words…
– Muhammad’s last words on women during his farewell speech:
– God allows you to put them in separate rooms and to beat them but not with severity. If they refrain from these things they have the right to their food and clothing with kindness. Lay injunctions on women kindly, for they are prisoners with you having no control of their persons. (Sirat Rasul Allah. Translated in English by A. Guillaume. First published by Oxford University Press, London in 1955)
abad says
If I was up there I would have tacked up signs that say “Islam is wrong about women” and the signs would include a picture of the Mary the Mother of Jesus.
gravenimage says
Thank you for all those grim Hadith about women, Mortimer.
UNCLE VLADDI says
But it’s so simple a statement, and so obviously true, that one really can’t disagree with it.
Angemon says
No, you are not. That you need to reaffirm it is evidence enough: if you need to insist you’re for free speech it’s because you’re being told you’re not – and that usually happens when you’re saying someone shouldn’t say X or Y.
Well, someone felt differently. Why should your feelings take precedence over someone else’s, or theirs over yours? That you need to defend your stance on the grounds of a subjective thing such as your feelings is evidence enough that it is an indefensible stance…
Reasonable Person says
Women who knowingly enter Islam show that Islam is right about women.
The short sentence comes from my earlier sentence, above.
I applaud the meme lord who used this shorter sentence: Islam is right about women.
I wish I did it myself.
James Lincoln says
One last thought…
Suppose the poster had said:
Is Islam RIGHT or WRONG about women?
Talk about cognitive dissonance…
I know, the imams and the leftists would say “We don’t discuss this”…
fredoniahead says
It was probably put up by some broke slob who just got divorce/court raped by MeToo, his ex, and the gynocentric, Jezebel court systems.
Trick_or_Treat says
“…And those who’ve been paying attention are DEAD RIGHT about ISLAM! ” (Counter A-4 sheet to have handy).
‘Wonder what kind of trouble one would precipitate upon themselves if they started going about ‘tagging’ every one of the above posters with this counter sheet poster?
[ “Bill Posters is innocent !”, by the way]
Anti-Islam says
Women under Islam are always second class citizens. They have no rights at all. Islam is the cult of satan, the devil.
Donovan Nuera says
Hopefully the unknown flyer distributor puts up the next series of signs stating “Islam is TOO BIG TO FAIL!”…
Kepha says
Uncle Kepha admits to the guilty pleasure of engaging in a bit of Schadenfreude here. It is clear that the sign offends feminists, yet they are unwilling to openly admit that Islam is loathsome in its view of women. It’s fun to see a couple of clients of the Left coalition at odds.
Still, I’m with gravenimage on being unclear about how this is a police matter–unless it’s about littering or violating some local ordinance about posting things on signs and telephone poles.
Kepha says
While I’m at it, I also believe every jurist and legislator supporting “hate speech” laws should be impeached, removed, and disbarred for life.
Norger says
In essence, it’s “hate speech” to even suggest that Islam says anything about women. We’re all good dhimmis, we can’t say anything about Islam other than to mouth mindless glowing platitudes.
mortimer says
IS ISLAM ‘RIGHT ABOUT WOMEN’??? Yes or no?
If the Feminists say nothing about that, then we must assume that they AGREE with the statement.
The Feminist silence over Islamic misogyny means that they approve of Islamic misogyny.
Paul Emmons says
A Co-Chair of the Women’s March on Washington after Trump’s inauguration in 2017 was Linda Sarsour, a Muslim. I wonder how she is weighing in regarding a sign proclaiming that Islam is right about women. Hasn’t she said so herself?
Henry Jones says
Wait a minute… How does she know that its hate speech? Does she know Islam, and know what Islam says about women? If so, then she is saying Islam is hateful to women. By her saying that, is that in and of itself, hate speech? LOL