Alternative for Germany (AfD) has distinguished itself for its resistance to mass Muslim migration. Known for its tough stance on Islamic immigration, AfD has been calling for an end to the country’s open-door policy since its inception in 2015. One incident illustrative of its unusual candor regarding the difficulties inherent in that mass migration came last year, after the notorious murder of a German citizen in Chemnitz, allegedly by two Iraqi and Syrian migrants. One of AfD’s members, Gottfried Curio, who is also a member of the Bundestag, gave a speech to that body, calling for certain Qur’anic verses to be censored.
A representative of the AfD party in the German Bundestag, Gottfried Curio, has presented a request to the government asking that dissemination be restricted for certain Koranic passages that allegedly allow crimes such as honor killing, forced marriage and physical abuse of women. Curio believes that Islam’s key religious book “ideologically legitimizes committing crimes” in its text.
The German lawmaker brought up several quotes from the Koran to prove his point:
“Women are a field for you. Go to them whenever you want […] Allah has cursed the unbelievers and prepared the fire for them to burn […] The unbelievers are the worst of all creatures, worse than cattle.”
This is the most important part of Curio’s speech. He understands, and would like his audience to understand, that Muslim behavior comes out of, is formed by, what Muslims read in the Qur’an (and, as he did not mention, the Hadith). The misogyny, the antisemitism, the homophobia, the contempt and hatred for Infidels, the need to wage violent Jihad in order to spread Islam until the whole world submits to Allah, all this is found in the texts.
For the deep misogyny in Islam, he offers one verse: “Your wives are a tilth unto you; so go to your tilth when or how you will.” (2.223). Women exist for the sexual pleasure of men. Marital rape is allowed. And there is much more in the same vein that he might have adduced. He could have quoted in full 4:34, which gives husbands the right to “beat” disobedient wives. He might have quoted 2:282, which is one of the sources for the belief that a woman’s testimony is worth half that of a man. He could also have quoted Muhammad’s explanation in the Hadith for this inequality: It is “because of the deficiency in her [woman’s] intelligence.” The leftist-feminists who sat on their hands in the Bundestag, with some of them booing during Curio’s speech, need to hear this kind of thing.
In a future speech, he could take the Bundestag through the other misogynistic aspects of Islam. He notes that though polygamy violates German family law, Muslims still practice it. And not prosecuting, but allowing a Muslim man to keep his plural wives, has other consequences. Even as it demeans women, the practice of polygamy allows the husband to receive increased benefits from the state for each new wife (and, of course, for each new child). Curio might have mentioned the difference in the way Muslim husbands and wives obtain a divorce according to the Sharia. While the man need merely say the triple-talaq, without giving a reason, a wife must return her mahr, the gift given to her upon marriage by the groom or the groom’s father, and present a reason for the divorce that is Islamically acceptable. And there are still other aspects of this unequal or wretched treatment of women. According to the Sharia, daughters inherit half that of sons. Finally, to bring a charge of rape, a woman must supply four male witnesses — which in practice means almost no one is ever successfully convicted of rape in Muslim lands.
The second quote Curio gives is 33:64: “Verily Allah has cursed the Unbelievers and prepared for them a Blazing Fire.” This is only one of so many similar quotes. Curio might have pointed out that there are 109 verses that command violent Jihad against the Unbelievers, that they are everywhere cursed in the Qur’an, and that several verses specifically instruct Muslims to “strike terror” in the hearts of the Unbelievers. And finally, he might have brought forth one of the most telling of quotes from Muhammad, found in the Hadith, the one where Muhammad declares that “I have been made victorious through terror.”
His third quote is a version of 98:6, in which Infidels are described as “the most vile of created beings.” He could have bookended it with the verse — 3:110 — which describes Muslims as the “best of peoples.”
Curio could speak about this again at the Bundestag, at which time he might not only recite, but give the reference in the Qur’an — sura and ayat — to those verses that he deems most necessary for Infidels to learn. This list might include 2:190-194, 3:110, 4:34, 4:89, 8:12, 8:60, 9:5, 9:29, 47:4, 98:6, ten verses containing the essence of the ideology of Islam. He could even print them out, and make them available to all members of the Bundestag.
Based on this, the AfD has requested that the government ban certain provisions of the religious book, claiming that Islam and Sharia are incompatible with the rule of law. Curio claimed that the party’s demands do not contradict the German constitution’s provision protecting freedom of religion, as that freedom is not an excuse for violating the law with “polygamy, child and forced marriages, honor killings and beheadings.”
Curio made an important point: “freedom of religion” is not limitless. It cannot be invoked as justification for violating the law of the German state. Polygamy must not be tolerated. Child marriage — that is, marriage of Muslim girls younger than the minimum age set by German law — cannot be justified. Curio might in another speech be bold enough to mention the critical example of nine-year-old Aisha and its effect on Muslim minds. As for honor killings, by which male relatives of a Muslim girl who has been deemed to have disgraced the family in some way (spending time with a Christian boy, refusing to wear a hijab, not observing Ramadan) uphold the family’s honor by killing her, that remains murder under German law. It must be punished as such. What Muslims think about their “honor” and how to uphold it is irrelevant.
Curio did point out that a very large number of Muslims believe the Sharia is superior to man-made law, and that in the case of a clash between the Sharia and German law, they would obey Sharia. Again, for pointing out this unpleasant truth, he was booed by those Bundestag members who did not want to be confused with facts. It’s much too painful.
Curio is a learned man, a mathematical physicist interested in string theory, who was once a fellow at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton. It’s hard to paint him as a German version of the British lager lout, as islamocritics have been depicted with such success in the U.K. This makes him dangerous.
“At the end of his speech, Curio took on German Chancellor Angela Merkel, claiming that she was responsible for the rise in religion-related crimes in the country.
“Daily knife attacks, nightmares for women and Jews, bullying of German students, increasing no-go areas — these things didn’t exist prior to Merkel. If Merkel believes that Islam is a part of Germany, then we say: Islam belongs to Merkel, but Merkel no longer belongs to Germany,” he said.
Everything Curio said is true. Is not true that there are knife attacks, by Muslim migrants in Germany, frequent enough to be described as “daily”? Haven’t the Muslim migrants in Germany created “nightmares for women and Jews”? During the 2015/2016 New Year’s Eve celebrations, there were mass sexual assaults, 24 rapes, and numerous thefts in Germany, mainly in the Cologne city center. There were similar incidents at the public celebrations in Hamburg, Dortmund, Düsseldorf, Stuttgart and Bielefeld. For all of Germany, police estimated in a document leaked in 2016 that 1,200 women were sexually assaulted and that at least 2,000 men were involved, often acting in groups. Many of the incidents involved women being surrounded and assaulted by groups of men on the street. Cologne police chief Wolfgang Albers stated that the perpetrators in his city were reportedly men of “Arab or North African appearance,” and said that Germany had never experienced such mass sexual assaults before.
As for Jews, there have been many incidents where people who were recognizably Jews — one victim was wearing a Star of David, others wearing kippahs, or Israeli pins, still others were dressed as Orthodox Jews — have been set upon by Muslims. German Jewish groups demanded stronger action by the authorities. Michael Szentei-Heise, the executive director of the Jewish community in Düsseldorf, said after an attack by Muslims on an Israeli professor, that “For the safety of Jewish citizens in Germany it [the situation] is catastrophic.” Josef Schuster, the president of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, said on Berlin public radio that “Defiantly showing your colors would in principle be the right way to go. Nevertheless, I would advise individual people against openly wearing a kippah in big German cities.”
Curio claims that German pupils have been bullied by Muslim classmates. There is plenty of evidence that such bullying of both Christian and Jewish children has been going on all over Germany.
As for his claim about “no-go areas,” a majority of Germans believe that those no-go areas are to be found in many of Germany’s major cities, where the police are afraid to patrol, and firemen need police escorts. Even Angela Merkel has finally admitted that these no-go areas exist..
But let’s return from what Dr. Curio said to the report itself:
Alternative for Germany is a right-wing party that has been opposing Angela Merkel’s open door policy, which enabled a major migrant influx from the Middle East, beginning in 2015. The AfD believes that unregistered migrants are behind the increasing levels of crime in German cities. The party supported the anti-migrant protests that took place in Chemnitz in August-September 2018, following the murder of a local carpenter, allegedly by two migrants.
The epithet “right-wing” is used to describe any person or party that exhibits islamocriticism. The famous left-wing journalist Oriana Fallaci started to be described as “right-wing” as soon as she began to denounce Islam. Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Ibn Warraq, Robert Spencer — all of them have had the “right-wing” label permanently affixed to them, though those using that epithet have no idea of what any of them believe on any political question, except for their criticism of Islam. That’s more than enough.
As for mention in the article of that “major migrant influx” — wouldn’t it give more of a sense of the scale of this invasion if the actual figures, which are known, were given, instead of simply referring to this “major…influx”? To wit: there were one million Muslim migrants in 2015 alone, and another million in the next two years. And why are these migrants not described as what they in fact are, that is, economic migrants, intent on settling in Germany because it offers such generous welfare benefits of all kinds? They are not in search of work, unlike the Italian migrants who went into the coal mines and factories of West Germany in the 1950s, worked extraordinarily hard, sent what money they could back to their families in Italy, and when they retired, returned to Italy. In those days, of course, there was nothing like today’s welfare state in Germany. The situation is now quite different with the Muslim economic migrants. They are well aware of, and take full advantage of, every possible benefit: free (or highly subsidized) housing, free medical care, free education, family allowances (the more children, the bigger the allowance, and Muslims have very large families), and even unemployment benefits without, in many cases, actually having to have ever been employed. In fact, the German government has said that 75% of these migrants will be unemployed for many years to come.
As for the levels of crime in German society attributable to unregistered migrants, this is not a matter of belief, but is a fact, confirmed by the prison statistics. More than one-third of those in German prisons are “foreign born.” The two Muslim migrant killers of Daniel Hillig, the carpenter in Chemnitz who was stabbed to death, were not “allegedly” his killers; they were his killers. There were witnesses.
The paragraph could be rewritten thus: “Alternative for Germany is a party that has opposed Angela Merkel’s policy on Muslim economic migrants, and became particularly concerned after she admitted one million such migrants in 2015, and another million in the two years that followed. Our party views with alarm the statistics on crime in Germany, especially the very large number of prisoners — more than one-third — who are foreign-born. One recent example particularly upset our members: the killing of a carpenter in Chemnitz by two Muslim migrants. We view with alarm the increase in attacks by Muslims on women and on Jews. We remember what happened to women in Cologne, and across Germany, on New Year’s Eve 2015/2016. We have seen Jews attacked and beaten on the streets of our cities. Many are now too afraid to wear the kippah outside. As Germans, do we not have a special responsibility to make our country safe for Jews? Yet we are importing, by the millions, today’s main carriers of the antisemitic virus. We would like to see the authorities take strong measures to end the bullying of German children, in German schools, by Muslim classmates. We believe it is reasonable to ask that those parts of the Qur’an that indoctrinate Believers in misogyny, antisemitism, and hatred for, and the killing of, Infidels, be excised from the text. We do not feel that ‘freedom of religion’ should be invoked to protect such views. We feel we are slowly losing our country, because decisions are being made by politicians who are not listening to our anguish, and remain determinedly oblivious to the meaning of Islam, and to the observable behavior of Muslims in Germany. And most disturbing, those politicians give no sign, alas, of being willing to learn.”
That may not be perfect, but it’s a good deal fairer to the real views of the AfD, which have been scandalously misrepresented in the German media, and it’s much closer, too, in describing Germany today, to the desolate truth.
No Muzzies Here says
Islam is incompatible with the German Constitution.
Naram-Sin says
Islam is incompatible with freedom, intelligence, and a civilized society.
Charles Ford says
Fascism was incompatible wuth the Weimar Constitution as well. Your point is?
gravenimage says
Muslims do not belong in the West.
Ole Pederson says
Thank you!
Exactly.
Infidel says
I recall a major Qur’an editing exercise some years ago that was publicized both here and on Islam-Watch. There, one particular reformer – forget the name – came up w/ a whole bunch of verses to be deleted, including 2 complete surahs – 8 & 9. Herr Curio could start from there.
Of course, such a move would get no traction among Muslims, but it would force a direct confrontation that needs to be had b/w Germans and Muslims (in this case). Essentially, force Muslims to defend the portions marked for deletion if they wanna retain any religious rights in Germany – from honor killings to jihad
vtology says
Here’s how to edit the koran… https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1028211274757431296
Prebangian says
Good for Gottfried Curio, good for Germany, Europe, and the world He is following in the foot steps of Jordan where King Abdullah II redesigned the curriculum of Jordanian schools to forbid the teaching of the Quranic Jihadist verses (virtually re-wrote the Quran); China re-wrote the Quran to delete the hate speech and violence and made it illegal for Islam adherents to possess any Quran except the “cleaned-up” government issue version; in April of 2017 French President Macron signed a letter and had it printed in Le Parisienne. The letter requested that Islam modify the Quran to remove violence and hate. The letter was based on a report and recommendation by 300 leading French intellectuals. Good luck! I don’t know if a peaceful Islam adherent can find on the market and purchase a “sanitized” version of the Quran in Germany or the U.S,? If there were enough political push for a sanitized Quran, one might appear on the market.
Infidel says
I had no idea that King Abdullah did this. If that’s the case, why is Jordan one of the countries where anti US and anti Israeli sentiment is high?
But China showed how it’s to be done. China has totally ‘sanitized’ it and made it the only version allowed in the country. Maybe the EU, w/ their super bureaucrats, could put together a committee to re-write the Qur’an and then translate it into every European language, as well as Arabic, Turkish and Urdu, so that their ‘migrants’ get un-taught the Jihad? While they’re at it, they can give themselves job security by following that up w/ translations of the hadiths, tafseers, sira, Reliance of the Traveller and other works of Islam
gravenimage says
I think you are overstating things quite a bit, Prebangian. Jordan just tried to tone down the constant references to Islam in textbooks a couple of years ago; it was not well received:
“Jordan Tones Down Textbooks’ Islamic Content, and Tempers Rise”
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/15/world/middleeast/jordan-tones-down-textbooks-islamic-content-and-tempers-rise.html
Note that even the Teacher’s Union told teachers to ignore the new textbooks.
If anything, what children are learning in Jordanian schools is even more Muslim supremacist now.
Jessica says
islam is incompatible with anything; this is just an extension of the holocaust, only slower. If not stopped now the country will continue the struggle to survive without being annihilated one way or another by the muslims. One of the islam tactics is overpopulation; 4 wives, 4 children per year, for how long. That is a lot of welfare.
James says
One problem in Germany is the form of electing the government. Chancellor Merkel is the head of her party, but in elections she is elected to represents one district. She is not elected by a nation-wide election the way a US president is. That means there will not be a chancellor of a different party from the one that has the control of parliament. And they use proportional representation in parliament. Even though Merkel’s party has only a plurality of the seats, she can keep on being chancellor by arranging coalition governments with small parties to form a composite majority. In America there are never enough small party representatives to form coalitions, and so it is a matter of majority rule by one of two major parties. Even though the AfD keeps getting more votes in elections, the chancellor can largely ignore it in planning policies. And that is what they are doing. The AfD would have to get a much larger share of the seats in parliament to have a major impact, and that seems unlikely. It has some impact, of course. Merkel had to give up some of her powers, but her party is still staying the course on mass immigration. Too many voters are loyal to the conventional parties like Merkel’s CDU for there to be a sudden massive change. There is not going to be an AfD chancellor or a conservative coalition government around the party. That seems to be something that would require a very big crisis to happen, like another nine eleven in Germany. And of course the conventional elites smear conservatives as racists and anti-Semites to discourage voters from electing them. A German professor once commented “It is just like Weimar, they are all there and they all want the same thing.” I.e., the AfD is the new Nazi party in his or her view. The CDU was supposedly the conservative party in Germany, but now it is more like the US Democrat party in many ways, and of course the US Republican party is also not a conservative party, if it ever was one.
Infidel says
The political arrangement in Germany is a holdover from what it was in Cold War era West Germany. You had the conservative CDU, which was their equivalent of the British Tories or the US Republicans: Chancellor Kohl was the counterpart to Reagan and Thatcher. You had the SDP, which was the equivalent of Labour in UK or the Democrats in the US.
Except that today, decades after the cold war ended, such distinctions are meaningless, and look strongly like uniparties. Like in UK, both Labour as well as a good portion of the Tories are anti-Brexit. In the US, a good portion of the GOP are never Trumpers and are less uneasy w/ a Democrat control of government. In Germany, Merkel is the leader of the CDU – the right wing party, by 80s definitions. One wouldn’t know that given her open borders policy not just for Germany, but the EU in general.
In the US, President Trump has succeeded by pulling off a hostile takeover of the GOP – defeating 17 competitors in 2016 and at the grassroots level, slowly eroding the influence of the RINOs. Even though in the Senate, he has yet to win a majority of loyalists: there are still too many holdouts. But that allows him to leverage the GOP infrastructure even though the party’s base has parted ranks w/ the establishment and defected completely to the MAGA/KAG faction.
In Europe, it’s been more of an uphill struggle. The Tories can barely decide whether they’re a Brexit Party or not, so that they are some days in bed w/ Labour or Liberal Democrats, and some days in bed w/ Farage’s Brexit Party (which incidentally is absolutely mediocre on the question of Islam). In France, every mainstream party coalesced against Marine Le Pen, who’s the sole resistor to Islamic immigration. In Germany, there has been a CDU-SDP uniparty that’s had the monopoly on power. Hopefully, the AfD would be able to come to power on its own before Germany has more Muslim voters who can guarantee the CDU=SDP a future majority. The road does look better in Italy, Austria and Hungary.
But yeah, most of Europe’s political parties are still stuck in a time warp of Left vs Right. In today’s world, it’s more of a religious standoff b/w Muslims and non-Muslims, which the various parties of Europe have yet to come to grips w/. Including supposedly freedom parties like Farage’s Brexit
Terry Gain says
Infidel
An excellent summary of a sad state of affairs.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Infidel.
Infidel says
James, one more point – those who equate the AfD to Nazis are missing some pretty major breaks in continuity. Similar things have been said about Sebastian Kurz in Austria. If these 2 parties were the descendants of the Nazis in both Germany and Austria, where is the Anschluss in either of their agendas? Shouldn’t a greater Germany be in their agenda?
Au contraire, today’s EU is the closest thing to an Europe-wide empire that Germany has ever had. The Euro is pretty much driven by what goes on in Frankfurt and Munich. If Merkel hadn’t been so stupid as to open the gates of Europe to Muslims following that viral video of a Syrian baby being washed ashore on a Greek island, Germany could even have gotten away w/ its silent empire. Instead, by unleashing Muslims on all of Europe, they’ve inspired ‘secessionist’ leaders like Salvini in Italy, Kurz in Austria, Orban in Hungary and hopefully Le Pen in France and Curio in Germany (or whoever the #1 guy in AfD is)
Ole Pederson says
Not any more. A minor point, as this does not change a thing.
Even though more than 50% of Germans view Islam as a threat to society, too many are afraid of voting for the “Nazi” AfD. But whatever you think, all other parties are pro-muslim-immigration so it is hard to see how this could change with AfD less than 35%.
This is a war against the German people, and the fact that the situation in other countries is not as bad does not mean the same thing does not happen there, eg. France, UK, Italy.
The famous city of Marseille no longer is a French town but a Kasbah, if you except a few suburbs for the rich and the tourists. Many areas are no longer under police control.
Leoluca Orlando, mayor of Palermo, Italy, told the world (Daily Mail online 22 April 2016), proudly
Similar observations can be made in England (Bradford, Luton, Savile Town)
All this can only be viewed as genocide, full scale. That there are no direct mass killings (yet) does not change that a bit.
WPM says
Islam is incompatible to any 21 century rule of government , law ,order, justice, it is 7 century savage tribalism; ,highway robbery ,rape and murder, justify under an imagery god though up by an uneducated violent madman Mohammed. It is a bad idea keep alive for 1400 years ,pushed by power hungry men who prey on the compassion of weak men in government or power to get their way. It is not compatible with the Chinese ,Russia, American ,Philippines ,English , French , Germain , Japanese, or any non-Moslem lead countries means of government or people. It is a cancer that promotes no progress in a nation economically except to attack and prey on others ,no progress in science , medicine, manufacturing ,art ,music , peace ,come from true Islam.
jewdog says
Angela Merkel’s professed concern for Israel and Jews is belied by her immigration policy as well as by her administration’s adamant refulsal to ban Hezbollah. Sadly, the AfD only gets about 10 percent.
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
Hello, Jewdog. Your name is memorialized in the Islamic State flag, with its slogan “All JewS Dog”:
https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/article_small/public/thumbnails/image/2015/07/06/16/isis-flag.jpg
jewdog says
You’re right, Mark! I used to be in IS, but I was expelled for cruelty.
mortimer says
Gottfried Curio is aware that the Koran and many hadiths qualify as hate speech and could be challenged in a court of law. This might lead to banning those verses all over Germany or even of banning the Koran.
The Koran, hadiths and Sira have more Jew hatred than Mein Kampf. They are the words of the hate-filled Allah and the hate-filled Mohammed.
The main topic of the Koran is that Allah hates the kafirs and wishes the Muslim (troops) to hurt them and take their possessions from them.
mortimer says
The Koran’s 164 Jihad Verses: K 002:178-179, 190-191, 193-194, 216-218, 244; 003:121-126, 140-143, 146, 152-158, 165-167,169, 172-173, 195; 004:071-072, 074-077, 084, 089-091, 094-095,100-104; 005:033, 035, 082; 008:001, 005, 007, 009-010, 012, 015-017, 039-048,057-060, 065-075; 009:005, 012-014, 016, 019-020, 024-026, 029,036, 038-039, 041, 044, 052, 073, 081, 083,086, 088, 092, 111, 120, 122-123; 016:110; 022:039, 058, 078; 024:053, 055; 025:052; 029:006, 069; 033:015, 018, 020, 023, 025-027, 050; 042:039; 047:004, 020, 035; 048:015-024; 049:015; 059:002, 005-008, 014; 060:009; 061:004, 011, 013; 063:004; 064:014; 066:009; 073:020; 076:008.
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
Hello, Mortimer. How is Quran 76:8 a jihad verse? It reads, “And they [who?] give food in spite of love for it [love for food?] to the needy, the orphan, and the captive,”; see
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=76&verse=8
RegT says
Mark, every verse in the qur’an that speaks of treating others well refers _only_ to other muslims. Even “captives” (e.g. Sunni captives of Shiites) are other muslims. There are _no_ directives in islam – and any such would be abrogated by more recent, violent passages – that call for muslims to treat infidels well. Only if they convert to islam, and then they are muslims, not infidels.
Michael Copeland says
When citing the Koran to non-muslims some important points deserve to be emphasised:
EVERY VERSE forms part of Islamic law.
Denying any verse instantly makes the person a non-muslim, an apostate, who has to be KILLED.
Anyone may kill an apostate. There is no penalty “since it is killing someone who deserves to die”.
RichardL says
Hi Michael, that’s not quite true: you forgot abrogation. If abrogation were reversed and the earlier suras would take precedence of the later, islam would be much more compatible with civilisation.
Dr Curio is the best speaker the AfD has, but there are many surprisingly good other members that speak. The screeching, hissing and lying totalitarian members of parliament are revolting to watch.
James Lincoln says
Here’s a 2018 video of AfD’s Dr. Curio addressing the German parliament – translated into English.
Very informative…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L5j3cDFS9g
eduardo odraude says
Another fiery parliamentary speech by Dr. Curio. He ends by saying that Merkel belongs not in parliament but in court.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JORhJyueT_g
gravenimage says
Yes–deeply disturbing.
Angemon says
Yup – as Pamela Geller said, “truth is the new hate speech”.
gravenimage says
At Last, Germany Has an Alternative
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Excellent stuff from Gottfried Curio!
eduardo odraude says
I don’t agree with state censorship of anything, but if Germany is going to continue to engage in censorship of certain kinds of “hate” speech, that censorship should indeed be extended to the passages of the Qur’an urging violence, murder, and terror. Otherwise, Germany should stop state censorship altogether. And the many other parts of Europe that engage in censorship of certain kinds of “hate” speech should likewise start censoring parts of the Qur’an.
Or better yet, Europe should have the equivalent of a First Amendment and stop the state censoring anything.
gravenimage says
+1
UNCLE VLADDI says
Re: “One of AfD’s members, Gottfried Curio, who is also a member of the Bundestag, gave a speech to that body, calling for certain Qur’anic verses to be censored.” That’s not going to work, for Muhammad (being a prophit, and all) already predicted such attempts to limit alter and change his Qur’an, and so forbade it all:
Muslims have no choice – islam isn’t cafeteria catholicism, it’s all or nothing (sura 2:85) –
“Then (like a people having no sense) do you believe in part of the Book, and disbelieve in part?”!
😉
tim gallagher says
I don’t know whether Europe and the whole of the western world will wake up in time to win against this loathsome invasion by Islam, but the reports here at Jihad Watch today do make me feel hopeful that, maybe, the opposition to islam is building. There’s the report on the speech in France by Marechal, there’s the words of the Hungarian minister, Novak, and there’s this report about Curio in Germany. Add the other Visegrad countries and their tough stance and Salvini in Italy, and possibly the fight back is gaining some momentum. I certainly hope so. To my way of thinking, it has been an incredibly slow process for most people to wake the hell up when it comes to Islam and the Muslim invasion. I’m amazed at how slow it has been for most people in our western societies to wake up.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Gottfried Curio, has presented a request to the government asking that dissemination be restricted for certain Koranic passages…
And therein sits the whole game.
Kepha says
Dissent. WHile I am glad that Islamcritics have a voice in legislatures, I cam not for censorship.
Today, Qur’anic teachings on women as tilth; tomorrow, biblical teachings that adultery and theft are sinful, or that Jesus Christ said, “I am the way, the turth, and the life; no man cometh to the Father but by me.” Or, for the Leftists here,, the day after tomorrow,, it will be back to jailing people for advocating lifestyles contrary to public decency.
Yes, I call Margaret Attwood a fear-and-hate-monger after the mold of Julius Sreicher (albeit with differing targets for her fear mongering). I will scream and protest if she is made required reading in schools, I will exercise my right to refrain from buying her work. But I will not support censorship.
Yes, I call the Qur’an and Hadith a pack of lies, blasphemy, and false witness. But I will not call for their being banned or burned. Instead, I will note that when the Qur’an says that the Jews make Uzair the Son of God in the way Christians see Jesus, I will note that there is not a scrap of evidence that this was ever the case. When they misrepresent the Trinity as God, Jesus, and Mary, I will wavwe the Creed in their face and note that God is one in substance and the three persons are the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
And, if they pass hate-speech laws, I hear or read some imam saying the Jews are relatives of apes and pigs and my Jewish neighbor complains, call me to the witness stand. (although, for the record, I am for the impeachment, removal, and disbarrment for life of any judge or legislator who promotes hate speech laws).
Are we for freedom? Then we have it only as long as we permit ugly speech to be uttered–and refuted.
gravenimage says
Infidels should be reading the texts of Islam, so that we all know what we are up against.
jca reid says
Islam is incompatible with Humanity. It actively endorses & advocates crimes against persons – as long they’re non-Muslim it’s OK to rape, enslave & murder them. That’s why Muslims have to move to non-Muslim countries. some have deliberately moved to non-Muslim countries to live a Life away from this sh*t, but it has now followed them! The Swedish/German/ French & other “Leaderships” have deliberately & cynically betrayed their own peoples. Any normal person would call that Treason.