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Does the Qur’an promise the Land of Israel to the Jews?

Oct 30, 2019 6:00 pm By Robert Spencer

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  1. CogitoErgoSum says

    Oct 30, 2019 at 6:50 pm

    I would not trust anything found in the Koran. It’s a mixture of small bits of truth among a large pack of lies and the plans of Allah can change at any moment. See Koran 7:99:

    “Then did they feel secure from the plan of Allah? But no one feels secure from the plan of Allah except the losing people.”

    So anyone who feels safe from the plans of Allah is a loser because, yes, Allah is the greatest of deceivers. Personally, I think Allah’s most brilliant plan was to make it only appear that Jesus was crucified and rose from the dead, thus creating Christianity. Sure, Allah created both Judaism and Christianity so Muslims could prove their loyalty to Islam by wiping out Jews and Christians. What a wonderful plan — if your god is Satan.

    • mortimer says

      Oct 31, 2019 at 3:48 am

      The Koran is a plagiarized text, picking and then misquoting passages from different books in circulation in the Middle in the early 600s. It is badly edited and seems to have been assembled rapidly before its gaffs, blunders and contradictions could be spotted and removed. Later generations of Muslim scholars were forced to invent absurd rationales for believing in this extremely imperfect collection of nonsense.

      The main rant of the Koran is that Allah hates the wrong-worshippers and Muslims should steal their stuff and enslave them.

  2. Infidel says

    Oct 30, 2019 at 7:03 pm

    When the Quran says ‘Israelites’, are they referring to Jews, or Muslims?

    • CogitoErgoSum says

      Oct 30, 2019 at 7:08 pm

      Depends on whether you think Abraham was a Muslim who just didn’t know it. (That’s another one of Allah’s “great” plans — make people think they are Jews when they are really something else.)

      • Infidel says

        Oct 30, 2019 at 10:56 pm

        Speaking of which, why is Islam considered an ‘Abrahamic’ religion, when their account of the story of Abraham is very different from the Judeo-Christian account?

        • Jedothek says

          Oct 31, 2019 at 1:49 pm

          Your question makes no sense. One might as well ask:

          Why are Judaism and Islam considered ‘Abrahamic’ religions, when their account of the story of Abraham is very different from the Islamic account?

          The three religions are called Abrahamic because in each the encounter between God and Abraham is crucial to the relationship between God and humanity in general.

          The Lord had said to Abram [Abraham], “Go from your country, your people and your father’s household to the land I will show you” (Gen 21: 1).

          God took Abraham as a friend (Quran 4:125).

        • Infidel says

          Oct 31, 2019 at 7:07 pm

          The reason the latter question wouldn’t make as much sense is that the Jews came up w/ the account long before the Muslims did. Both Christianity and Judaism agree on the OT version of Abraham: Islam doesn’t. Like Christianity, while honoring Abraham, doesn’t retroactively rebrand him as a Christian, the way Islam rebrands him a Muslim

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 2, 2019 at 12:53 am

          Jedothek, it is mostly Muslims who claim that Islam is an Abrahamic faith, like Judaism and Christianity. This gives them false gravitas.

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 30, 2019 at 9:15 pm

      Good question, since Islam considers all of the Jewish prophets to be Muslim.

  3. mortimer says

    Oct 30, 2019 at 7:13 pm

    Yes when the Koran commands the Banu Israel to ‘dwell in the Land’, it ACTUALLY means ‘There will be a people invented by the Soviet KGB in 1967 on a suggestion by Nicolae Ceaușescu, and that newly-invented nationality will be the replacements of the ‘Banu Israel’ in ‘The Land’.

    The Koran is so unclear that Allah needs armies of mullahs to explain that does not say what it says.

    We are assured by modern Islamic apologists that we must let them interpret Allah, because the obvious meaning of the Koran is WRONG! Allah is such a confused and confusing communicator that he usually says the direct opposite of what he says.

    The Banu Israel should not inherit Israel … no … the Pallies should inherit ‘The Land’ … even though the name Palestine is never mentioned in the Koran and Muslims always referred to the region as LOWER SYRIA.

  4. FYI says

    Oct 30, 2019 at 7:14 pm

    Yet the koran does have astonishing scientific information,as the islamic scholars will tell you,far in advance of our present ability to comprehend:-

    “Above it are nineteen”
    Koran 74:30

    Here allah is obviously telling us that there are clearly 19 dimensions in our Space-Time continuum thus revealing an incredible insight into String Theory.

    {Ok:actually I made that up.Like muhammed’s flying horsey buraq…}

  5. mgoldberg says

    Oct 30, 2019 at 9:03 pm

    You meant to say…. he’s been stringing us along.

  6. Sabri S. says

    Oct 31, 2019 at 12:08 am

    Hell no! Because these zionist imposters from europe claiming to be of the Hebrew faith are NOT related to the black and brown hebrew israelites of antiquity! Stop this nonsense and propaganda. First off, the promise made to hebrews in the bible related to geographic area, not ethnicity or skin color as propagated by apartheid zionism. Second, the geographic area of the ancient colored hebrews was in modern day Syria, not the transjordan area currently occupied by the zionist. The promise was kept and is in the past. Stop trying to justify zionism and its systemic oppression with something written 1400 years ago. And stop trying to link these european interlopers and fascists to the ancient black and brown Hebrew isrealites. The ancient hebrew texts, including the zohar, are NOT of european or zionist origin. This is only in that abomination called the talmud, which contains verses against christians and muslims that are much worse than anything in the Holy Quran. Fortunately, the righteous ones that truly serve the most high God know and speak the truth. This anti-Palestinian schtick is getting old and tired. How about we talk about something real, like repatriating these european Khazars and converted zionists back to Poland, Ukraine and Russia from whence they came. I don’t think Britain is going to undo their mistake in 1948, but something other than WWIII has to be done, N’ShaAllah! The torah, bible and Quran are simply written texts by man. And racist zionism can never be allowed to exist, any more than the world accepted apartheid in the 1990s. Allah U Akbar!

    • duh swami says

      Oct 31, 2019 at 3:12 am

      If push came to shove, I would rather be ruled by Zionists than Islam…

    • Infidel says

      Oct 31, 2019 at 4:05 am

      The Khazars again? What’s that line – Israelis are Khazars who blew up the USS Liberty?

    • Infidel says

      Oct 31, 2019 at 4:07 am

      Also, Sabri, the Quran was supposedly written by allah and handed over to Mohammed. Are you going to engage in that canard that actual men wrote it? You’d be sentenced for blasphemy in Pakistan, or whichever Mohammedan country you’re from

      • FYI says

        Oct 31, 2019 at 9:31 am

        That’s so true.

        If this muslim is saying allah’s “perfect” koran was written by men,allah has been insulted!

        How dare muslims blaspheme allah and insult the koran by saying men wrote the koran!

        We won’t stand for that here at JW will we?

        allah’s “perfect” koran by the way is filled with incongruities and errors{Jews don’t believe in any ‘ezra is the son of allah’k9:30,mary is not part of the Trinity,Jesus did NOT have the Gospel{it came AFTER..}k5:46,”Abraham was not a Jew”k3:67..as he was a muslim obviously,muhammed visiting the Jerusalem mosque k17.1 that didn’t even exist in mo’s time etc}

        Laughably,allah says in k4:82 about his “perfect” book that “If it had been from other than allah they would have found much incongruity therein” but the koran is FULL of “much incongruity therein”,scientific,logical and theological errors{a fact ex-muslims know well which is why they are attacked by muslim fanatics}

        It is as if the author of the koran is saying “Betcha can’t foind mistooks in ma prefect booook”

        sabri s would be punished for blasphemy and executed in a muslim country.
        {muslims never get irony or logic do they?muslims in the west have the freedom to say things that would have them swinging from a crane in an islamic paradise.And they want to subvert our freedoms creating the same tyranny in those islamic hellholes they came from.}

        In the Judeo-Christian or Biblical narrative,of course it is understood by Jews and Christians that the Torah/Gospel were written by men,prophets of God.

        There is a concept in christianity too of God’s Holy Spirit of Wisdom which empowers true prophets:this aspect of God{revealed by Jesus Christ in the Gospel}allah tells muslims NOT to believe in koran 4:171.

        islam is neither an Abrahamic nor a Biblical religion.

        For starters,allah cannot even get the role of the Jews or Abrahams’s religion right{“Abraham was not a Jew” k3:67}and the entire Biblical law system{the 2 chief commandments+the ten Exodus 20 laws} are violated/contradicted by the koran/islam.

        islam is so obviously phoney as is its koran{or “The book with much incongruity therein”}

      • CogitoErgoSum says

        Oct 31, 2019 at 11:29 am

        If the ancient Israelites were black or brown, Esau must have really stood out with his red hair and red skin tone (see Genesis 25:25). I’ve heard the story that the ancient Egyptians were also black or brown yet many of the pictures they drew of themselves show them with a reddish skin tone — but also sometimes yellow, tan, brown, black and sometimes even green. Those Egyptians were really a diverse people. Maybe the Israelites were too. By the way, the DNA from King Tut was found to be most similar to that of western Europeans.

        • CogitoErgoSum says

          Oct 31, 2019 at 3:15 pm

          On a slight tangent, there is a large missing piece of human history. I think the land that is now the Sahara was once more like southern Europe is today and probably populated by a mixture of Caucasian and Negroid people. These people were forced by climate change from that part of Africa when the Sahara desert began to form. The lighter skinned people went north into Europe and eastward to the Nile and the upper Middle East while the darker skinned people went south. I think the more European looking people are the ones who built the pyramids and the Great Sphinx (close to 10,000 years ago) and also settled most of the Middle East. I may be accused of being racist for giving a link to this video but the narrator discusses an interesting archaeology discovery. While we are ALL of one species, there are still very distinct differences that divide us into separate groups of people.

        • Angemon says

          Oct 31, 2019 at 3:52 pm

          “ I think the more European looking people are the ones who built the pyramids and the Great Sphinx (close to 10,000 years ago) and also settled most of the Middle East.”

          Posted this link a few days ago:

          https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694

          “ While we are ALL of one species, there are still very distinct differences that divide us into separate groups of people.”

          Indeed, and it doesn’t take a degree in anthropology to realize that, no matter what the screeching “gender/race are social constructs!!!” mob says. The problem with that is, well, eugenics/”scientific racism” – talking about racial differences tends to trigger fears of racial superiorities when, in fact, what’s being discussed is simply the adaptation of groups of humans to a specific area over a given time. You live in a place where you barely get sunlight? You get lighter skin. You live in a place where you get plenty of sunlight all year? You get darker skin.

        • CogitoErgoSum says

          Oct 31, 2019 at 4:19 pm

          I think more archaeology work needs to be done in the Sahara. I have no doubt there are some amazing things concerning human history buried beneath hundreds of feet of sand. I think the pyramids, the gigantic stones at Baalbek and the precisely cut stones in Peru and other places around the world point to a world where human beings had a technology (concerning stone at least) that has been lost. Who were these ancient people and just what other things did they know? Some catastrophe must have wiped away all memory of them and this event may form the basis behind the various stories of the Great Flood. A flood in the Middle East and other disasters may have occurred around the world at the same time and mankind was forced to start over. The Egyptians, the Incans and others may have built their civilizations upon ruins left by others. Truly, it’s one of the greatest mysteries of all.

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 2, 2019 at 1:01 am

          I rarely cross-post, but since Sabri S. is spamming I will do so, since I have dismantled his claptrap about Jews not really being Jews many times before. Here is one:

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/09/muslim-cleric-the-jews-are-the-enemies-of-mankind-the-jews-are-the-enemies-of-islam#comment-2145807

          The only interesting thing in his post above is that the Qur’an is man made. Doesn’t Sabri S. know that many of his pious coreligionists would murder him for saying this?

      • Infidel says

        Oct 31, 2019 at 11:58 am

        FYI, that’s exactly what I posted above at 10:56pm last night – that Islam is NOT an Abrahamic religion, given how they totally distort the story of Abraham

        • FYI says

          Oct 31, 2019 at 2:29 pm

          So distorted in fact that n the koran it says
          “Abraham was not a Jew” k3:67!

          Of course!

          How could Abraham possibly be a Jew,one of THOSE people the koran says are “apes to be despised and hated” k2:65?

          The islamic ibraham{The “abraham” of the koran 4:125} must have been a muslim like Musa and Issa were obviously muslims and definitely NOT Jewish as allah’s Arab antisemitism cannot accept the fact that ALL Biblical prophets were actually JEWISH.

          I mean islam cannot even get Abraham’s Jewish origins right:it also replaces the Jews who were given Chosen people status{confirmed by Jesus Christ John 4:22 “it is from the Jews that salvation comes”} with the muslims,the holiest people in the world k3:110

          so the koran denies Abraham was Jewish or that the Jews have any relevancy:that is 100% at odds with the Judeo-Christian understanding.

    • Angemon says

      Oct 31, 2019 at 4:06 pm

      “Hell no! Because these zionist imposters from europe claiming to be of the Hebrew faith are NOT related to the black and brown hebrew israelites of antiquity! Stop this nonsense and propaganda.”

      Israelites were not “black and brown”.

      “First off, the promise made to hebrews in the bible related to geographic area, not ethnicity or skin color as propagated by apartheid zionism.”

      Judaism is neither a geographic area, ethnicity or skin colour.

      “Second, the geographic area of the ancient colored hebrews”

      “White” being a colour.

      “was in modern day Syria, not the transjordan area currently occupied by the zionist. The promise was kept and is in the past. Stop trying to justify zionism and its systemic oppression with something written 1400 years ago.”

      Says the guy who brought up the Bible…

      “And stop trying to link these european interlopers and fascists to the ancient black and brown Hebrew isrealites.”

      Again: Hebrews were not black and brown.

      “The ancient hebrew texts, including the zohar, are NOT of european or zionist origin. This is only in that abomination called the talmud, which contains verses against christians and muslims that are much worse than anything in the Holy Quran.”

      Citation needed. Oh, and slip of the tongue? You admit there’s nasty stuff in the quran.

      “Fortunately, the righteous ones that truly serve the most high God know and speak the truth.”

      Clearly, that excludes you…

      “This anti-Palestinian schtick is getting old and tired.”

      Correct in the sense that Jews were, up to the creation of the state of Israel called “Palestinians”. In other words: your anti-semitic shtick is getting old, indeed…

      “The torah, bible and Quran are simply written texts by man.”

      Under islamic law, you just won a death sentence…

      • gravenimage says

        Nov 2, 2019 at 1:03 am

        +1

  7. Angemon says

    Oct 31, 2019 at 3:11 pm

    Does the Qur’an promise the Land of Israel to the Jews?

    Yeah, but no…

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