The faithful were “taken aback.” How “Islamophobic” of them! Apparently the English-language establishment media’s full-court press a few years ago to convince Americans that “Allahu akbar” was a benign phrase didn’t get echoed in the French establishment media.
In the New York Daily News, Zainab Chaudry of the Hamas-linked Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) argued that non-Muslims shouldn’t “believe the worst” about “Allahu akbar” because Muslims don’t just scream it while murdering non-Muslims, but use it in a variety of contexts. She even offered this chilling advice, certain to get people killed were it ever heeded: “So the next time you hear Allahu Akbar — whether it’s in a media report, on an airplane, or in a shopping mall, remember that the phrase used by millions of Muslims and Christians daily to praise God regardless of their circumstances, can never be justified for use when harming His creation.” So stay put, evidently; fleeing would be “Islamophobic.”
On CNN, Omar Suleiman — the imam who prevailed upon Google to alter their search results so as to bury any negative information about Islam — also argued that Muslims say “Allahu akbar” in a variety of contexts, many of them positive. And the New York Times actually tweeted that the phrase “Allahu akbar” had “somehow” become “intertwined with terrorism.”
Somehow! How could this have possibly happened? Could it have anything to do with the thousands of Muslims who have screamed “Allahu akbar” while in the process of murdering infidels?
“He shouts ‘Allah Akbar’ during Mass at Saint-Epvre Basilica,” translated from “Il crie ‘Allah Akbar’ pendant la messe à la basilique Saint-Epvre,” L’Est Républicain, October 22, 2019 (thanks to David):
Monday evening in the basilica of Saint-Epvre in Nancy, the Office was disturbed by two individuals. Drunk, the two men entered the basilica around 7 pm and one of them shouted: “Allah Akbar”.
The faithful were at least taken aback, and alerted the police. Very quickly on the scene, a patrol of the municipal police determined that the two men were intoxicated. After a security search, one of them was found to be carrying a telescopic baton.
The two suspects, aged 26 and 32, were then taken into custody by the national police and placed in police custody as part of an investigation that may involve the carrying of weapons and the justification of terrorism….
“Two to three people actually heard an individual pronounce Allah Akbar, which remains to be confirmed in interrogation”, confirms the prosecutor of Nancy…
Photo by Pierre-Philippe Arnould – Own work, CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=20867291
European pagan says
I don’t know what would happen if Christians shouted in a mosque ‘Jesus is God’…
In churches, there are guestbooks where people can write something, once in a church (I am pagan but it is not haram for me to enter a church) I saw in a guest book a message like ‘this is a false religion, islam is the truth, allah akbar’.
And everyone is racist, islamophobe and nazi who doesn’t like it.
Lydia Church says
Q. What would happen if Christians entered a mosque and wrote in their guest book; “This is a false religion, Christianity is the truth, and our God is greatest!” ?
A. All those same labels at the bottom would still be aimed at us… either way.
Jack Cade says
Upon hearing ‘Alahu akbar’ take cover, get ready to shoot!
jacinte says
Absolutely! When I have seen someone scream Allah Akbar, even muslims take cover. Wouldnt that be at odds with their claims.
gravenimage says
Yes–even those who say that Islam is a religion of peace would dive under tables or run for the exits when someone screams “Allahu Akbar!”.
Keya says
With the holiday season coming up the Europeans will be hearing lots of Allahu Akbars
gravenimage says
Grimly likely, Keya.
Goofy says
I am sure that Pope Francis will take decisive action to prevent the repetition of such situations which may put in doubt the established truth that Islam is a religion of peace. Just give him a day or two to defend his sheep.
Martyman39 says
Which Imam will he hug next,?
Dawne Swift says
Western churches will end up having to have guards outside like synagogues do in the UK. Why can’t we just get rid of all Muslims?
Guest says
Or perhaps, Why can’t we get rid of is lam? It is the vile oppressive, abusive, supremacist, overriding political ideology that is the problem.
elee says
+1. That and its a deliberate violent criminal threat to our freedoms and our institutions.
murad says
The problem is not islam or its ideology. The problem is who brought them? We in the west respect “democracy” That’s the ass that gets more votes is thrust into the office. So islam is part of western so-called democracy. Inviting mu slims has two puposes:
1. Those who hate their own countries and citizens get elected and then work for more muslims and their interests. Democracies are invented to serve islam.
2. Mu slims fulfill the eternal hatred of the westerners towards Christians and Jews. Mu slims do that (destroy to Christianity and Judaism) without punishment. Nay, they are praised for that.
Paul J says
On the contrary. Islam IS the big problem by virtue of the fact that if it were not for the doctrines of islam and their desire for a world wide caliphate there would no point in the “powers that be” utilizing their services to destroy our Western societies. What the authorities don’t seem to grasp is that their imported army will turn on them too. These commie progressives have a two headed snake in their hands but they are only holding one neck, sooner or later that loose head WILL bite them too. We in the West have two enemies, the one within and Mad Mo’s army, working together at the moment but as sure as night follows day, the big brave soldiers of allah will turn on their accomplices.
gravenimage says
There *is* a lot of denial about the threat of Islam in the West, and this is terribly dangerous.
But the idea that the West hates Jews and Christians and not only does not punish their murders but praises them is clearly not the case. If it were, why are there so many Jihadists in prison?
Even more bizarre is the claim that democracy was invented to serve Islam.
You may hate freedom and democracy–just as Muslims do–but civilized Anti-Jihadists are trying to save them.
Angemon says
At least they didn’t behead anyone…
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Yet…
somehistory says
In the U.S., speech is free…unless it comes under a couple of categories. One is not allowed to threaten the president or incite to riot, and one is not allowed to yell “fire” in a crowded theater.
Should not governments make laws that would say yelling this favorite phrase of moslims in churches, synagogues, public places such as theaters, offices, schools, on city streets, etc,, and on public transportation, is a crime?
Yelling “fire” in a crowded theater is only permissible if there is a fire in the theater. this would be to warn the movie-goers to get out, to save their lives.
It should never be permissible to yell the fav phrase of islam in any place not filled to the rafters with moslims as it means War, Death, Murder, Rape, Terrorism, and other evil and vile actions.
One day, it will be abundantly evident that islam is a beast of satan, and that demon is out to force the world of mankind to worship him and only him. And then “the end will come.”
Honest Ali says
It is self evident that any infringement on free speech is a very slippery slope that always results in the loss of Liberty.
Let them shout “Allahu Akbar”. I prefer that they politely announce their intention to attack, so that I can make ready, rather than a silent ambush which is impossible to defend against.
Don’t stay safe, stay free” -Snowden
somehistory says
moslims have it both ways…they shout this disgusting phrase anywhere…and it ‘might be’ terrorism, but usually ‘found not to be.’ It is always terrorism and they get to terrorize those people in their churches or synagogues, and sometimes go completely free of charges.
I understand your point of view, but this phrase is a weapon used to put fear into the hearts and minds of the hearers, much like ancient peoples screamed before attacks upon their enemies. Much like those engaged in some forms of martial arts scream at their foes. The scream throws one off balance, allowing the screamer to attack before the victim can react defensively.
moslims have it both ways…they can scream this anywhere, anytime, but the rest of us cannot criticize without being labeled racist bigots. Label me those things and I don’t care. But it does anger that they can do as they please and it “might be” terrorism. It is always terrorism.
WPM says
To me it falls into the area of screaming Heil Hitler at a church serve or in a Temple ,it should not be tolerated or condoned it is a violent threat that should be meet with either force or arrest because it is a threat to people peacefully worshiping God. It is a form of terrorism ,like shouting fire in a crowded concert it can injury or death to people there.
somehistory says
WPM
+10
Dan says
I don’t think “Slippery Slope” should be the point here.
The point is the reaction of something said.
A vulgar comment for example, “I hate various religion/races/whatever.” is going to cause the vast majority of people to just roll eyes and walk on, thinking, “Great. Another nut job.”
“Fire!” however, causes most to think, “I am in danger and must react NOW or possibly die.” (By the way. When’s the last time anybody DID fake that? It’s getting to be as tired a cliche as “Nazi.”)
And that’s the case with wild eyed strangers screaming “Allahu akbar.” since those words HAVE preceded thousands of mass slaughters.
Many hearing that aren’t going to be rolling eyes. They’re going to think “I am in danger now, and must react appropriately or I may die.”
Those with no training will freeze or panic.
And then there are those who’s protective instincts will kick in.
HARD.
And their reactions would be 100% justifiable.
somehistory says
And most people react in fear, as you say…panic or unable to react to help themselves.
Making it a crime to shout “fire” in a theater didn’t really take away the freedom to speak in a theater, or shout at other times. If shouting this moslim war cry caused the shouter to be arrested, it would possibly cause some to reconsider doing it in situations such as this.
somehistory says
thebigW
Everyone has to adapt. Even moslims. Since they are in the habit of running into churches and screaming…and getting away with this…there is no reason not to do it. However, if it became a crime written on the books, and they began to be arrested for just running in and screaming…whether or not they carry weapons…some that planned to run in and scream it, might not.
Just as the ‘bag’ man and obl didn’t travel in convoys of terrorists after convoys of terrorists began to be taken out, or even in regular travel after several were killed in their cars by air strikes, moslims adapt. They claim to want to die, but few actually do. That is why the **leaders** and those ruling the group hide out and send those on the low end of the pole to do the actual suicide bombings, shootings, drive-overs, etc.
Call it “regrouping,” but it amounts to the same thing.
Pr Phil says
Fine. As long as Christians are free to shout “praise Jesus!” In a mosque as well. Smh
gravenimage says
Muslims would be annoyed by this, but it is not a threat. Screaming “Allahu Akbar!” *is*. So this is not the same thing.
elee says
take your car stereo, park outside your local mosque, crank it up and party! Dance! Music is haram, dancing is haram, joy drives them crazy. Hand out pork sausages and beer. Party! Celebrate joy in life!
Sun says
Peaceful resistance. Would get you into jail in Germany.
mortimer says
Western church leaders are doing nothing about security in churches. The RCC should be using the Knights of Columbus or other orders to do security detail at all services. Protestants should start training their local church officers to provide security as well. There should be someone on duty at all times and police and other security trainers should be consulted.
Muslims targeting church services is what to expect when you have large numbers of Muslims. Several Muslims out of every10,000 will be jihadists. France probably has several thousand jihadists. Even one prepared jihadist can do a lot of damage.
Donovan Nuera says
Presbyterian men can stand outside church with their 3-irons.
mortimer says
Churches will unfortunately need security cameras, both to discourage the jihadists and to provide evidence for police and prosecutors.
Chaz says
In east Tn., going into a church and yelling Allah Anbar would end badly for that idiot. Just say’in:-)
gravenimage says
It isn’t a Church, but here’s a Muslim who entered a Kroger’s store in Nashville, screaming “Allahu Ackbar!” and saying he was going to set off a bomb:
https://wwmt.com/news/nation-world/police-arrest-man-following-reported-bomb-threat-inside-nashville-kroger
Rarely says
Obviously just a couple drunk (allah will get them for that) acting out. No different than if a couple of drunk Christians door crashed a mosque and shouted “Jesus saves”. EXCEPT that muslim terrorists use it as a war cry and it all too often precedes disaster. So, even if it really was just a juvenile-type prank, it requires punishment.
Point: Drunken muslims can be just as infantile and stupid as drunk Christians or Jews.
Rarely says
BTW. I don’t recommend pulling the same stunt anywhere in Texas — regardless of how drunk they may be.
gravenimage says
I am no fan of drunken stupidity generally, but this was clearly intended to be seen as a threat and scare people. This is not innocent drunken hijinks, like yelling the name of your favorite sports’ teams.
Rarely says
Agreed … for the most part. But people generally do things drunk that they would never do sober.
gravenimage says
Rarely, most people don’t threaten others, drunk or sober. Muslims are commanded to terrorize the Infidels, though.
Rarely says
graven.
If you are saying most people don’t get drunk, okay. BUT drunk people very, very often do the most horrendous acts drunk they would never, never, ever do sober. AND our prisons are full of them.
gravenimage says
Rarely, there is no doubt that being drunk lowers inhibitions–including for violence. But drinking does not force anyone to do anything that is not in their character.
These Muslims threatened Infidels because they are taught to do so, not because they had too much to drink. It is not as though Infidels scream “Allahu Akbar!” when they have had a beer or two.
No Muzzies Here says
So if I hear a Muslim yelling “Allahu akbar” I should ask “How should I be taking that, sir? Is it a peaceful greeting of love, or are you going to set off a bomb and kill yourself and everyone around you?”
After all, I hear that it’s a joyful shout of compassion that expresses the deep love that Muslims are taught to feel for non-Muslims, and that I should have a warm feeling whenever I hear it.
Donovan Nuera says
Then again that Englishman got a year in prison for merely placing a strip of delicious applewood-smoked bacon on a door handle of a mosque…. and was found dead in prison a mere 6 months into his sentence. No autopsy? He was in his 30s.
gravenimage says
Yes–horrible.
Donovan Nuera says
Unfortunately the average age of a typical French devout Catholic is about 77. They won’t be able to put up much of a fight except by throwing hymnals and brass candlesticks at their killers. Trying to escape gunfire or knives is also hindered by sitting in pews as it is easy even during a non-terror situation to catch one’s foot on a kneeler when getting up for communion. Also, everyone aside from the priest and altar boys and deacon are facing away from the main entrance door so it is easy for jihadis to achieve tactical surprise.
Lavéritétriomphera says
“Unfortunately the average age of a typical French devout Catholic is about 77.”?
The French youth knows France is historically a Christian Roman Catholic country.
gravenimage says
Even the lowest estimates of Catholics in France is 41%, so I doubt they are all in their seventies. (highest estimates range as high as 88%).
Gork says
Tow a smoker with a couple pork-butts cooking nice, low, and slow upwind of the local mosque. If they don’t like it, act clueless, offer them some. If they get nasty, have a dog with you. Have some hidden cameras and microphones to capture the festivities.
gravenimage says
France: Muslims enter church during Mass, scream “Allahu akbar”
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Fulfilling the Islamic directive to terrorize the Infidels–if they are at worship, all the better.
God, I hate Islam.
James Lincoln says
Just wondering what would happen if someone screamed “Allahu akbar” at a Bernie Sanders fundraiser as a prank…
Rarely says
The attendees would probably all get down on their prayer mats.
vladdy says
I so wish young kids would read this site. I was just on a Sims site, where they announced that the game makers were adding hijabs and other muslim gear to the game. Some young SJW’s were screaming at those who objected, calling them names. I recommended they stop the virtue-signalling and visit this site and Pam’s. Just horrible.
I wish now, I had said “Check out what’s happening in Europe” instead of just “Do your research!”
jca reid says
There will be a backlash against these Mozzies & the politician who have advocated this. Macron & co., & the others across Europe will pay a very heavy price indeed!
s says
and the Pope decided they were merely assimilating cause Islam is the religion of Peace and the Most Holy Religion of all….and the Bible is just a bunch of old stories… gee they’re teaching the same thing in Georgia schools…
Mike says
How come these 2 men got drunk before going to Allah’s Paradise ? It ‘s a shame ! I’m scandalised. These 2 must be “hypocrites fidels “.
Lavéritétriomphera says
@murad,
The problem of Islam is its intolerance:
Intolerance towards apostates,
Intolerance towards Jews,
Intolerance towards Christians,
Intolerance towards Hindus,
Intolerance towards atheists and so on …
Intolerance towards “disobeying” women,
Intolerance towards homosexuals,
Intolerance towards people who believe in democracy …
Intolerance towards people that eat porc, drink wine,
Intolerance towards dogs …
And if you do not agree with these “intolerant“ Muslims, they cry loud saying we are a bunch of islamophobes.